5 all time great musical hits
Kalpataru Barman
Ami amar list ta dilaam :-
1. Shaapmochan
2. Hirok Rajar Deshey
3. Sonar Khancha
4. Dadar Kirti
5. Chhaddoabeshi
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <326C68...@fyiowa.infi.net>, ka...@fyiowa.infi.net says...
du-chaarte add kore dilam.
6. Sanyasiraja
7. Amanush
8. Mother
9. Picnic
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Joydeep Bhattacharya
Finance and Business Economics Department
School of Business Administration
University of Southern California
Los Angeles CA 90089-1421
Phone: (213) 740 6518 ; Fax : (213) 740 6555
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Debjeet Pal
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>
> Ami amar list ta dilaam :-
>
> 1. Shaapmochan
> 2. Hirok Rajar Deshey
> 3. Sonar Khancha
> 4. Dadar Kirti
> 5. Chhaddoabeshi
1. Teen Bhuboner Paray
2. Meghay Dhaka Tara
3. Shoptopodhi
4. Shaapmochon
5. Hirok Rajar Deshay
6. Dadar Kirti
7. Harano Sur
Debjeet.
Arnab Gupta
Debjeet wrote:
>Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>>
>> Ami amar list ta dilaam :-
>>
>> 1. Shaapmochan
>> 2. Hirok Rajar Deshey
>> 3. Sonar Khancha
>> 4. Dadar Kirti
>> 5. Chhaddoabeshi
>
`Musical' boltey thik ki bojachhen ? - onekgulo gaan thhaka ki ? Ei karoney
bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
musical noi. Ar tai jodi hoi, taholey shotkora niranobboi bhag bangla
chhobii `musical'. Oboshyo, aapni jodi bhalo gaan-ola chhobi hishebe
kothata byabohaar korey thhaken taholey amar kono apotti nei.
>
>1. Teen Bhuboner Paray
>2. Meghay Dhaka Tara
`Meghe Dhaka Tara' ki thik `musical' ?
>3. Shoptopodhi
>4. Shaapmochon
>5. Hirok Rajar Deshay
>6. Dadar Kirti
>7. Harano Sur
Arnab.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
> 2. naam money porchhey naa, Tarun Mazumdar Toppa/Thungri gaan niye ekta
> mojlisi film korechhilen. Ramkumar Chattopadhya gaan geyechhilen
>
Amargeeti.
>
> Eta-tey amar-o sondeho aachhey. Duto Rabindra Sangeet aachey bodh-hoi.
Geeta Ghatak. Oshamanyo. Je raate mor duarguli bhanglo jhoRey.
Otatey Hongshodhwoni-ta ke geyechchilen ?
Shoumyo.
Kalpataru Barman
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Debjeet wrote:
>
> >Kalpataru Barman wrote:
> >>
> >> Ami amar list ta dilaam :-
> >>
> >> 1. Shaapmochan
> >> 2. Hirok Rajar Deshey
> >> 3. Sonar Khancha
> >> 4. Dadar Kirti
> >> 5. Chhaddoabeshi
> >
>
> `Musical' boltey thik ki bojachhen ? - onekgulo gaan thhaka ki ? Ei karoney
> bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
> orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
> musical noi.
Naa, sekatha bolini. Tobey, erakam ekta list-o besh interesting hobey,
jemon :
1. Jalsaghar
2. Gup gayen Bagha Baayen
2. naam money porchhey naa, Tarun Mazumdar Toppa/Thungri gaan niye ekta
mojlisi film korechhilen. Ramkumar Chattopadhya gaan geyechhilen
>Ar tai jodi hoi, taholey shotkora niranobboi bhag bangla
> chhobii `musical'.
Oi ek bhag-er modhhey jara porey,( no songs ) jemon :
1. Sonar Kella
2. Nayak
3. Jana Aranya
4. Sabuj Dwiper Raja
...
>Oboshyo, aapni jodi bhalo gaan-ola chhobi hishebe
> kothata byabohaar korey thhaken taholey amar kono apotti nei.
Etai mean korchhilaam.
Jemon "Lukochuri"
>
> >
> >1. Teen Bhuboner Paray
> >2. Meghay Dhaka Tara
>
> `Meghe Dhaka Tara' ki thik `musical' ?
Eta-tey amar-o sondeho aachhey. Duto Rabindra Sangeet aachey bodh-hoi.
>
Arnab Gupta
Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
..[deleted]..
>
>> Eta-tey amar-o sondeho aachhey. Duto Rabindra Sangeet aachey bodh-hoi.
>
>Geeta Ghatak. Oshamanyo. Je raate mor duarguli bhanglo jhoRey.
>
>Otatey Hongshodhwoni-ta ke geyechchilen ?
>
bodhoy, A T Kanan.
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
Meghe Dhaka Tara proshonge Shoumyo Dasgupta writes:
>> Eta-tey amar-o sondeho aachhey. Duto Rabindra Sangeet aachey bodh-hoi.
>
>Geeta Ghatak. Oshamanyo. Je raate mor duarguli bhanglo jhoRey.
Aar Debabrata Bishwash. Geeta Ghatak ekokbhabe gunguniye
"ghorete bhromor elo...".
>Otatey Hongshodhwoni-ta ke geyechchilen ?
A.T. Kanan.
Sambit
Arnab Gupta
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
> >>
>> >> Ami amar list ta dilaam :-
>> >>
>> >> 1. Shaapmochan
>> >> 2. Hirok Rajar Deshey
>> >> 3. Sonar Khancha
>> >> 4. Dadar Kirti
>> >> 5. Chhaddoabeshi
>> >
>>
>> `Musical' boltey thik ki bojachhen ? - onekgulo gaan thhaka ki ? Ei karoney
>> bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
>> orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
>> musical noi.
>
>Naa, sekatha bolini. Tobey, erakam ekta list-o besh interesting hobey,
>jemon :
>
>1. Jalsaghar
amar apotti achhe. asholey shomoshya holo bangla chhobi-te `musical'
byaparta thik ki shetai aykhono porishkar hochhey na.
>2. Gup gayen Bagha Baayen
>2. naam money porchhey naa, Tarun Mazumdar Toppa/Thungri gaan niye ekta
> mojlisi film korechhilen. Ramkumar Chattopadhya gaan geyechhilen
>
omor-geeti
>>Ar tai jodi hoi, taholey shotkora niranobboi bhag bangla
>> chhobii `musical'.
>
>Oi ek bhag-er modhhey jara porey,( no songs ) jemon :
>
>1. Sonar Kella
background-e gaan chhilo, oboshyo je orthey bangla chhobitey gaan
byabohaar kora hoy thik shei orthey noi.
>2. Nayak
>3. Jana Aranya
>4. Sabuj Dwiper Raja
>...
hoini, hoini...fail :-)
dutotei gaan-er byabohaar achhe.
prothom bangla gaan-heen chhobi ki ? Chhinnomul ? Keu janen ?
>
>>Oboshyo, aapni jodi bhalo gaan-ola chhobi hishebe
>> kothata byabohaar korey thhaken taholey amar kono apotti nei.
>
>Etai mean korchhilaam.
>Jemon "Lukochuri"
>
Thik achhe, taholey oboshyoi `lukochuri' amar list-eo khub upor
dikey thhakbe.
>>
>> >
>> >1. Teen Bhuboner Paray
>> >2. Meghay Dhaka Tara
>>
>> `Meghe Dhaka Tara' ki thik `musical' ?
>
>Eta-tey amar-o sondeho aachhey. Duto Rabindra Sangeet aachey bodh-hoi.
>
>>
Debjeet Pal
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
>
> `Musical' boltey thik ki bojachhen ? - onekgulo gaan thhaka ki ? Ei karoney
> bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
> orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
> musical noi. Ar tai jodi hoi, taholey shotkora niranobboi bhag bangla
> chhobii `musical'. Oboshyo, aapni jodi bhalo gaan-ola chhobi hishebe
> kothata byabohaar korey thhaken taholey amar kono apotti nei.
Aami bhalo gaan-ola chobir list er kothai bolchilaam
>
> >
> >1. Teen Bhuboner Paray
> >2. Meghay Dhaka Tara
>
> `Meghe Dhaka Tara' ki thik `musical' ?
Na, mistake-mistake.....etar bodolay Uttom jay boi-taye babar akanto
oniccha shottao singer hoaychilo, shayita hoyto deoa jete paari;
naam-ta khayal porchay na.......Shagorika....Bhranti Bilaash?
>
> >3. Shoptopodhi
> >4. Shaapmochon
> >5. Hirok Rajar Deshay
> >6. Dadar Kirti
> >7. Harano Sur
>
> Arnab.
Debjeet.
Arnab Gupta
Debjeet wrote:
..[deleted]..
>> >
>> >1. Teen Bhuboner Paray
>> >2. Meghay Dhaka Tara
>>
>> `Meghe Dhaka Tara' ki thik `musical' ?
>
>
> Na, mistake-mistake.....etar bodolay Uttom jay boi-taye babar akanto
>oniccha shottao singer hoaychilo, shayita hoyto deoa jete paari;
>naam-ta khayal porchay na.......Shagorika....Bhranti Bilaash?
>
Shapmochon.
Arnab.
Kalpataru Barman
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >3. Jana Aranya
> >4. Sabuj Dwiper Raja
> >...
>
> hoini, hoini...fail :-)
>
> dutotei gaan-er byabohaar achhe.
Bahudin aagey dekha, apnaar ki money aachey sequence baa gaan gulo ?
>
> prothom bangla gaan-heen chhobi ki ? Chhinnomul ? Keu janen ?
>
Ami jaantaam naa. Kobekar chhobi ? Jaa naam, tate gaan naa thaakley
aascharyo hobo naa.
Arnab Gupta
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>
>> >3. Jana Aranya
>> >4. Sabuj Dwiper Raja
>> >...
>>
>> hoini, hoini...fail :-)
>>
>> dutotei gaan-er byabohaar achhe.
>
>Bahudin aagey dekha, apnaar ki money aachey sequence baa gaan gulo ?
>
`Jana Aranya' te Sharmila Ray-er golay `chhaya ghnaichhe bon-e bon-e'
chhilo. `Sabuj Dwiper Raja' te aykta notun shurey `bonde mataram' chhilo.
>>
>> prothom bangla gaan-heen chhobi ki ? Chhinnomul ? Keu janen ?
>>
>
>Ami jaantaam naa. Kobekar chhobi ? Jaa naam, tate gaan naa thaakley
>aascharyo hobo naa.
>
Charer doshoker shesh bhage toiri..porichalok Nimai Ghosh. Amio
chhobita dekhini...tobey amaro dharona bishoybostu ja tatey gaan
thhaka ektu shokto.
Arnab.
Samar Mukhopadhyay
Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Debjeet wrote:
: > Na, mistake-mistake.....etar bodolay Uttom jay boi-taye babar akanto
: >oniccha shottao singer hoaychilo, shayita hoyto deoa jete paari;
: >naam-ta khayal porchay na.......Shagorika....Bhranti Bilaash?
: >
:
: Shapmochon.
:
: Arnab.
Amar mone hoy uni "Deya-Neya" chhabir kotha bolchhen. With Tanuja. Music
Shyamal Mitra. Daarun daarun gaan chhilo:
1. Jiban khatar prati patay
2. Ami cheye cheye dekhi sara din
3. E gaane prajapatir patay patay rong chhorai
4. Gaane bhuban bhariye debe, bhebechhilo ekti pakhi
Samar
Kalpataru Barman
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> Debjeet Pal wrote:
>
> > Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
> > sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
> >
> > naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
>
> `My fair lady'-r bangla version chhilo Ogo bodhu shundori. Taate Mala
> Sinha chhilen na, chhilen Moushumi aar Shumitra Mukherjee. Gaan koekta
> bhaaloi chhilo, jyamon `shudhu tumi noi obolakaanto, oneker-i bolar
> shomoi kheyaal thaake na', `aami ekti shaanto-shishto potni nishtho
> bhodrolok'. Etai bodh hoi Uttam Kumar-er shesh chhobi chhilo.
>
> Sharmila
Aar Kishore oi gaan-ta "Ei to jeevan jaak naa jedikey jetey chai pran.."
Kalpataru Barman
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
>
> mone porchhe na. Hindi version-tatey Guru Dutt mar-mar-kat-kat
> gaan dhukiyechhilen. Bishesh korey Joba jokhon `BhNaora baDa
> nadan hyai' geye othey tokhon siti martey ichhey korey. Bimol
> Mittir-er nijer kemon legechhilo byaparta ke jaane!!!
Eto Gita Dutta r asadharon gaan. Sur kaar ? SD Burman naaki ?
Sharmila Mukherjee
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
>
> mone porchhe na. Hindi version-tatey Guru Dutt mar-mar-kat-kat
> gaan dhukiyechhilen. Bishesh korey Joba jokhon `BhNaora baDa
> nadan hyai' geye othey tokhon siti martey ichhey korey. Bimol
> Mittir-er nijer kemon legechhilo byaparta ke jaane!!!
> Arnab.
Aar Meena Kumari-r lip deowa `na jao sNaiya chhurake bNaiya kasam
tumhari mai ro poDuNgi' aar baiji-r mukhe `saakiyNa aaj mujhe neeNd
nahiN aayegi, suna hai teri mehfil meiN rat-jaga hai" baad diye gele?
Sharmila
Arnab Gupta
Debjeet Pal wrote:
>>
> karoney
>> >> bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
>> >> orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
>> >> musical noi.
>
> Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
>sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
>
>naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
>
Orey baba!!! `Ogo bodhu shundori'ro baba achhe ? Ta sheta kemon chhilo,
aro hashyokor ?
>
>> >
>> >Oi ek bhag-er modhhey jara porey,( no songs ) jemon :
>> >
>> >1. Sonar Kella
>>
>> background-e gaan chhilo, oboshyo je orthey bangla chhobitey gaan
>> byabohaar kora hoy thik shei orthey noi.
>>
>> >2. Nayak
>>
>> >3. Jana Aranya
>> >4. Sabuj Dwiper Raja
>> >...
>
>1. Rajlakshmi Srikanta
dekhini
>2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
mone porchhe na. Hindi version-tatey Guru Dutt mar-mar-kat-kat
gaan dhukiyechhilen. Bishesh korey Joba jokhon `BhNaora baDa
nadan hyai' geye othey tokhon siti martey ichhey korey. Bimol
Mittir-er nijer kemon legechhilo byaparta ke jaane!!!
>3. Kolokini Konkaboti
dekhini
>4. Jinder Bondi
mone porchhe na.
>5. Aranyer Din Ratri
>
>
>agulo kon list-a porbay?
Egulo shei oti obhaga chhobi-r srenitey porbe jekhaney totodhik obhaga/obhagi
nayok/nayika-ra amar thhekeo beshuro hoye jonmiyechhilen. :-)
Arnab.
Debjeet Pal
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
karoney
> >> bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
> >> orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
> >> musical noi.
Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
> >
> >Oi ek bhag-er modhhey jara porey,( no songs ) jemon :
> >
> >1. Sonar Kella
>
> background-e gaan chhilo, oboshyo je orthey bangla chhobitey gaan
> byabohaar kora hoy thik shei orthey noi.
>
> >2. Nayak
>
> >3. Jana Aranya
> >4. Sabuj Dwiper Raja
> >...
1. Rajlakshmi Srikanta
2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
3. Kolokini Konkaboti
4. Jinder Bondi
Debjeet Pal
Debjeet Pal wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> karoney
> > >> bolchhi je, jei orthey `The Sound of Music' ba `My Fair Lady' `musical'(
> > >> orthat Hollywood-er reference-e), shei orthey thik uporer chhobigulo
> > >> musical noi.
>
> Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
> sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
>
> naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
monay poraychay, Shohorer Itikotha..............
apanader "Komol-Lata" cinema-ta kemon lagay?
Debjeet.
Arnab Gupta
Debjeet Pal wrote:
>Samar Mukhopadhyay wrote:
>>
>> Amar mone hoy uni "Deya-Neya" chhabir kotha bolchhen. With Tanuja. Music
>> Shyamal Mitra. Daarun daarun gaan chhilo:
>> 1. Jiban khatar prati patay
>> 2. Ami cheye cheye dekhi sara din
>> 3. E gaane prajapatir patay patay rong chhorai
>> 4. Gaane bhuban bhariye debe, bhebechhilo ekti pakhi
>>
>> Samar
>
>
> Dhonnobad, Samar-babu, ami Deya-Neya chobir kothai bolchilaam......
>aha.........ekkhuni jodi arekbar dekha jeto, ki daarun-e na hoto...
>
>achha, Shagorika, Bhranti Bilaash-a kono bhalo gaan chilo na? apnar ki
>monay achay....
>
Shagorika-i bodhoi pNach set gaan chhilo.
1. Amra Medical Collegei poDi
2. Shopne dyakha raajkonya
3. Prothom line mone nei..dwitio line: "ei maya raat shudhu tomar amar.."
4. Shopne bhora dinguli mor jai bheshey
5. Hridoy amar shundoro tobo pai
Bhranti Bilaash-ta mone nei.
>BTW, "aaye raat tomar amaar...." kon cinema-er?
>
`Deep jeley jai'.
Arnab.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Debjeet Pal wrote:
> Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
> sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
>
> naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
`My fair lady'-r bangla version chhilo Ogo bodhu shundori. Taate Mala
Srabani Banerjee
Arnab Gupta writes:
>Shagorika-i bodhoi pNach set gaan chhilo.
>
>1. Amra Medical Collegei poDi
>2. Shopne dyakha raajkonya
>3. Prothom line mone nei..dwitio line: "ei maya raat shudhu tomar amar.."
>4. Shopne bhora dinguli mor jai bheshey
>5. Hridoy amar shundoro tobo pai
Sheki re?! `Tobo bijoy mukut...' bhule geli? E-desh-e eli keno
tahole?
Srabani
Debjeet Pal
Samar Mukhopadhyay wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> : Debjeet wrote:
>
> : > Na, mistake-mistake.....etar bodolay Uttom jay boi-taye babar akanto
> : >oniccha shottao singer hoaychilo, shayita hoyto deoa jete paari;
> : >naam-ta khayal porchay na.......Shagorika....Bhranti Bilaash?
> : >
> :
> : Shapmochon.
> :
> : Arnab.
>
> Shyamal Mitra. Daarun daarun gaan chhilo:
> 1. Jiban khatar prati patay
> 2. Ami cheye cheye dekhi sara din
> 3. E gaane prajapatir patay patay rong chhorai
> 4. Gaane bhuban bhariye debe, bhebechhilo ekti pakhi
>
> Samar
Dhonnobad, Samar-babu, ami Deya-Neya chobir kothai bolchilaam......
aha.........ekkhuni jodi arekbar dekha jeto, ki daarun-e na hoto...
achha, Shagorika, Bhranti Bilaash-a kono bhalo gaan chilo na? apnar ki
monay achay....
BTW, "aaye raat tomar amaar...." kon cinema-er?
Debjeet.
Archisman Rudra
Debjeet Pal (d...@doc.ic.ac.uk) wrote:
: Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
: sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
: naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
ogo bodhu sundori
Arnab Gupta
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
>> >2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
>>
>> mone porchhe na. Hindi version-tatey Guru Dutt mar-mar-kat-kat
>> gaan dhukiyechhilen. Bishesh korey Joba jokhon `BhNaora baDa
>> nadan hyai' geye othey tokhon siti martey ichhey korey. Bimol
>> Mittir-er nijer kemon legechhilo byaparta ke jaane!!!
>
>Eto Gita Dutta r asadharon gaan.
Shondeho nei...amaro gaan-ta bhalo laage, tobey sthhan, kaal, patri-r
byaparta mone rakhley omon aykta gaan meney nitey koshto hoi, ei ja.
> Sur kaar ? SD Burman naaki ?
amaro tai dharona.
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
Kalpataru Barman writes:
>> >2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
> Eto Gita Dutta r asadharon gaan. Sur kaar ? SD Burman naaki ?
Jotodur mone poDchhe Hemanta Mukhujje. Sure noi.
GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) writes:
>>5. Aranyer Din Ratri
>Egulo shei oti obhaga chhobi-r srenitey porbe jekhaney totodhik obhaga/obhagi
>nayok/nayika-ra amar thhekeo beshuro hoye jonmiyechhilen. :-)
Aranyer Dinratri-te PahaDi Sanyal-er khola gola-y phataphati
akta Atulprasad chhilo, "Shuno she daake amare". TachhaDa
Rabi Ghosh sarakkhon akta Shyamasongeet type-er kichhu
bhNeje jeto, aksomoye (juya-r adda theke rattir-e bon-er bhetor
diye pherar somoye) teDe chNechiye chNeciye geyechhilo.
Sambit
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <3274F0...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>, s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu says...
> Aar Meena Kumari-r lip deowa `na jao sNaiya chhurake bNaiya kasam
>tumhari mai ro poDuNgi' aar baiji-r mukhe `saakiyNa aaj mujhe neeNd
>nahiN aayegi, suna hai teri mehfil meiN rat-jaga hai" baad diye gele?
>
>Sharmila
Aar nepothye Geeta Dutt'r golai " koi door se awaaz de chale aao...."; ei gaanta successfully sets the
haunted-backdrop to the film. Aar Asha'r golai "meri baat rahi mere man meye, kuch kah na saki uljhan
mein.." ("aami duur hote tomare dekhechi..."); another haunting song.
Joydeep
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Joydeep Bhattacharya
Finance and Business Economics Department
School of Business Administration
University of Southern California
Los Angeles CA 90089-1421
Phone: (213) 740 6518 ; Fax : (213) 740 6555
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Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <327458...@fyiowa.infi.net>, ka...@fyiowa.infi.net says...
>
>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
>> >2. Shaheb-Bibi- Golaam
>>
>> mone porchhe na. Hindi version-tatey Guru Dutt mar-mar-kat-kat
>> gaan dhukiyechhilen. Bishesh korey Joba jokhon `BhNaora baDa
>> nadan hyai' geye othey tokhon siti martey ichhey korey. Bimol
>> Mittir-er nijer kemon legechhilo byaparta ke jaane!!!
>
Na eta Asha Bhonsle'r gawa; sur Hemanta Mukherjee.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Debjeet Pal wrote:
[...]
tobay er theke amaar Uttom-er lip deoa "Ki jani ko
> ghonta, paberay jibonta................" gaan-ta aro onek beshi bhalo
> lagachilo, jodio eta Ogo Bodhu Shundori-tay chilona.
>
> Debjeet.
Ogo Bodhu Shundori-r `maalobika, onaamika, ebaare peyechhi, thik
choyonika' shombondhe karur kichu bolar aache?
Sharmila
Debjeet Pal
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>
> Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Uttom-mala sinha-er "My Fair lady"-ir bangla version-taye kintu
> > > sherokom kono gaan chilo bolay monay poray na.....
> > >
> > > naam-ta karur monay achay ki?
> >
> > Sinha chhilen na, chhilen Moushumi aar Shumitra Mukherjee. Gaan koekta
> > bhaaloi chhilo, jyamon `shudhu tumi noi obolakaanto, oneker-i bolar
> > shomoi kheyaal thaake na', `aami ekti shaanto-shishto potni nishtho
> > bhodrolok'. Etai bodh hoi Uttam Kumar-er shesh chhobi chhilo.
> >
> > Sharmila
Ogo Bodhu Shundori-ir gaan-gulo besh bhaloi chilo, thik-e.....otai
jotoduur jaani Uttom-er shesh boi.
Amaar kachay Uttom Kumar-Mala Sinha-er "Shohorer Itikotha" cinema-ti
beshi close bolay monay hoyaychilo, My Fair Lady-ir shongay......
Atay Mala Sinha-kay gram theke niye ashay bath-tub use korano, table
manners, ball-dance shekhano, ittadi darun dekhiaychilo
Apnader jodi karur "Shohorer Itikotha" dekha hoye thakay, taholay
apnader motamot ektu janaben - maanay My Fair Lady kon boi-tay beshi
reflected hoyaychay, Ogo Bodhu Shundori, na Shohorer Itikotha....
>
> Aar Kishore oi gaan-ta "Ei to jeevan jaak naa jedikey jetey chai pran.."
Ei gaan-ta bhaloi, tobay er theke amaar Uttom-er lip deoa "Ki jani ko
Apratim Sarkar
Sharmila Mukherjee <s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
> Ogo Bodhu Shundori-r `maalobika, onaamika, ebaare peyechhi, thik
>choyonika' shombondhe karur kichu bolar aache?
Absolutely na. Kar ghaRe kata matha je o niye kichhu bale ...
>Sharmila
Apratim.
--
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Shab ramoni'ke mone hoto ramoniyo are my own and shouldn't be construed in
Jadukarder mela boshe jeto swapane| any way to represent that of my employer.
- Arun Kumar Sarkar.
Indrani DasGupta
Srabani wrote:
:) Maane shei Namita Sinha of the nightmarish khon-khon-e gola-r aadur-e
shombhason? Onar lip-e chhilo e gaan-ta? Shei piano bajiye, party-te?
Bhule gechhi? Kokhon holo ei gaan-ta?
Indrani.
Arnab Gupta
Probal-babu likhechhen:
..[deleted]..
>
> Musical'er definition-taa Indian commercial movie'r khetre ektu
>golmele - Hollywood-style-e hindi-te "ThoRaasaa Rumaani Ho Jaaye"-ke musical
>balaa jaay.
Ei golmaal-er je ki bhoyonkor hotey paare ta bujhtey paarlam kodin
agey `Khamoshi - The Musical' boley aykta chhobi dekhtey giye. Besh
baaje chhobi, chorom oti-obhinoy (Nana Patekar shobcheye beshi),
aar gota char-pNach aykgheye shurey gaan - kyano je `musical' sheta
kichhutei bojha gyalo na.
"Amargeeti" barong gaan niye movie - oi somoy-ei "Nidhubaabu'r
>Tappaa" bole aarek-taa movie hoyechhilo jetaa-y bodh hoy Dipankar main role-e
>chhilo - setaa'r kathaa keu shunechhen aar ? Anek (>3 ?) bhaalo and/or hit
>gaan'er baanglaa movie bolte aar kheyaal poRchhe - "Monihaar", "Prothom Kadom
>Phool", "Stree", "Chiradiner", "Raag-Anuraag", "Banpalasi'r Padaboli",
>"Mouchaak", "Morjinaa-Abdalla" (Salil'er echhaaRaa "musically rich" aar kono
>baanglaa movie kheyaal poRchhe ki ? Sambit ?? "Sister" baa "Lal Pathar"
>number-e kam - "Daakharkaraa" ki Salil'er ? "Gangaa"-y duto'r beshi aar ki
>gaan chhilo ?).
>
Ei list-e bodhoy `Lukochuri' shochhonde dhuktey paare.
Ganga-r tintey gaan-er kotha mone porchhe
1. Amai dubaili re
2. Ichha korey, porantarey
3. Shiber aaj boDo rongo
> Uttam'er dominance as usual dekhaa'r moto - tabe Uttam-Suchitra'r
>anek movie-tei bhaalo (specially Sandhya'r) gaan thaakle-o sankhyaa-y anek
>memorable gaan acche erakom mone porchhe naa "Shapmochon" chhaaRaa - aar hoy
>to "Indrani". ("Shagorika"'r list-taa khub-i impressive - kintu aamaar "Sapne
>dekhaa raajkanya" baad-e onno gulo ato-taa impressive laage naa :-).
>
`Harano shur'-e khan du-ek bhalo gaan chhilo na ?
>"Rajlakshmi Srikanta" baa "Jinder Bondi"'r bhaalo gaan ki chhilo mone aachhe
>kaaror ?
>
>"Kolokini Konkaboti"-te Kishor'er ektaa ("Aadho aalochhaayaa-te") aar Parvin
>Sultana'r ektaa ("Bendhechhi binaa" - hindi version-taa aage shonaa chilo -
>"Bemishal"-e Lata'r "ERi Pawan") chhaaRaa aar ki rakom gaan chhilo ?
>
>Similar naam'er "Kalonkini"-te kayek-taa gaan ek somoy besh cholechhilo (baa
>bore korechhilo !) - etaa'r music Shyamal'er.
>
>Seventies baa taar par-e gaan-e popular bolte mone porchhe "Hangsoraaj" - ekjon
>"Mother"'er kathaa bolechhen - taahole "Ananda Ashram"-o bodh hoy mention
>karaa jete paare. "Troyee", "Mohana'r Dike", "Bhalobasha 2", "Ekaanto Aapon"
>ese jaay popularity dekhte gele - abosso sehsmesh "Gurudokkhinaa" baa
>"Anuraag'er Chhoyaan" baa "Jiban-Maran" ei list-e dhuke gele ektu dukkho roye
>jaabe :-) !!
>
Aar `shatru' ? `bo bo bo bolnaa e tupi kakey porai ?' Debashish Dasgupta
`desh'-e ei gaan-ta shommondhhe likhechhilen je bangla chhobir geetikaar
ar shurokaar-era shottiyi bhebe pachhen na tupi kakey poraben.
Arnab.
Niladri CHATTERJEE
>>Shagorika-i bodhoi pNach set gaan chhilo.
>>
>>1. Amra Medical Collegei poDi
>>2. Shopne dyakha raajkonya
>>3. Prothom line mone nei..dwitio line: "ei maya raat shudhu tomar amar.."
>>4. Shopne bhora dinguli mor jai bheshey
>>5. Hridoy amar shundoro tobo pai
>Sheki re?! `Tobo bijoy mukut...' bhule geli? E-desh-e eli keno
>tahole?
That reminds me of my Jyathaima. After my Jyethu got his FRCS, for more
than a month the only song she would hum is "tabo bijoy mukut ..." (honestly).
Achchha bangla musical bolte Jay-jayanti ebong Hansaraj naam ekhono
dekhlum na keno?
-- Niladri
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Sharmila Mukherjee
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Probal-babu likhechhen:
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> >
> > Musical'er definition-taa Indian commercial movie'r khetre ektu
> >golmele - Hollywood-style-e hindi-te "ThoRaasaa Rumaani Ho Jaaye"-ke musical
> >balaa jaay.
Tahole Baiju Bawra, Saraswati Chandra eguloke-o ki musical bola jaabe?
And how about Umrao Jaan?
> `Harano shur'-e khan du-ek bhalo gaan chhilo na ?
`Tumi je aamar' chhilo, aar kichu chhilo ki?
Sharmila
Arnab Gupta
Sharmila Mukherjee qrote:
Ami ei gaan-tai mone kortey parchhilam na. Onyo gaan ta
mone chhilo: "aaj dujonar duti pothh ogo duti dikey gyachhe
bNeke".
Arnab.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55b1pd$6...@george.rutgers.edu>, pro...@george.rutgers.edu says...
[....]
"Chiradiner", "Raag-Anuraag", "Banpalasi'r Padaboli",
>"Mouchaak", "Morjinaa-Abdalla" (Salil'er echhaaRaa "musically rich" aar kono
>baanglaa movie kheyaal poRchhe ki ? Sambit ?? "Sister" baa "Lal Pathar"
>number-e kam - "Daakharkaraa" ki Salil'er ? "Gangaa"-y duto'r beshi aar ki
>gaan chhilo ?).
>
Kobita mone hoye Salil'er music (naki RD); Dakharkara doubtful; ote Geeta Dutt'r "kaancher chuDir
chotak.." gaan ta chilo; likely Hemanta'r music; Salil mone hoina Geeta Dutt ke kono deen use korechilen.
[...]
> --Probal.
Joydeep
Sharmila Mukherjee
Aar aykta gaan chhilo na, oi bachcha meye-tir jonmodin-e? Je gaanti-r
shaathe bachchader aykta naach chilo? Naaki ota shudhu music-er shaathe
chhilo?
Sharmila
Srabani Banerjee
Indrani likhechhe:
>> >Shagorika-i bodhoi pNach set gaan chhilo.
>> >
>> >1. Amra Medical Collegei poDi
>> >2. Shopne dyakha raajkonya
>> >3. Prothom line mone nei..dwitio line: "ei maya raat shudhu tomar amar.."
>> >4. Shopne bhora dinguli mor jai bheshey
>> >5. Hridoy amar shundoro tobo pai
>>
>> Sheki re?! `Tobo bijoy mukut...' bhule geli? E-desh-e eli keno
>> tahole?
>:) Maane shei Namita Sinha of the nightmarish khon-khon-e gola-r aadur-e
>shombhason?
Jai bol, tor Suchitra-r chaite nyakami-ta kom-i korto. :)
>Onar lip-e chhilo e gaan-ta?
khepechhish? oi gaan heroine chhaDa keu gaite paare?
>Shei piano bajiye, party-te?
HNya.
>Bhule gechhi?
:) Kaake jigesh korchhish eta?
>Kokhon holo ei gaan-ta?
Oi je, tor UttamKumar bidesh-e giye kishob kando kore phello.
Srabani
Kalpataru Barman
Probal Kumar Bhattacharjya wrote:
> Seventies baa taar par-e gaan-e popular bolte mone porchhe "Hangsoraaj" - ekjon
> "Mother"'er kathaa bolechhen - taahole "Ananda Ashram"-o bodh hoy mention
> karaa jete paare. "Troyee", "Mohana'r Dike", "Bhalobasha 2", "Ekaanto Aapon"
> ese jaay popularity dekhte gele - abosso sehsmesh "Gurudokkhinaa" baa
> "Anuraag'er Chhoyaan" baa "Jiban-Maran" ei list-e dhuke gele ektu dukkho roye
> jaabe :-) !!
>
----
Seventies-er kothai "Amanush" ke ki baad deo-a jai ? Jodio Kishore-er
"Ki aashai baandhi khelaghaar" aar Asha-r "Jaani naa aaj je apon,
kaal se keno por hoye jaai" -- ei duto gaan chhara annyanya gaan
khub ekta bhalo laagey naa. Tabey Shakti Samanta-r chhobi -- unchu
maaner naa holeo bhaalo gaan thaakto-- abasya hindi "Amarprem" er
katha alaada, chhobi ebang gaan dui anabadya. Achcha er bangla
"Nishi-padma" keu dekhechen ?Sunechi Amarprem-er Rajesh naaki
Nishipadma-r Uttam-er chhey better !!
Kalpataru Barman
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
> Kobita mone hoye Salil'er music (naki RD); Dakharkara doubtful; ote Geeta Dutt'r "kaancher chuDir
> chotak.." gaan ta chilo; likely Hemanta'r music; Salil mone hoina Geeta Dutt ke kono deen use korechilen.
Kabita-te Salil-er sur. Oi je Kishore-er "Ek rakhal cheley"
Salil Chawdhury-r bodh hoi bangla film er thekey-o aadhunik-er
dikei jhok ta besi chhilo.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55g3t3$n...@news.bu.edu>, dgu...@buphy.bu.edu says...
[...]
"Joy baba
>Tarokeshwor" (e naamta thik bollam ki?),
[...]
>
>IDG.
Baba Taroknath!
Joydeep
Sambit Basu
joyd...@rcf.usc.edu (Joydeep Bhattacharya) writes:
>pro...@george.rutgers.edu says...
>[....]
> "Chiradiner", "Raag-Anuraag", "Banpalasi'r Padaboli",
>>"Mouchaak", "Morjinaa-Abdalla" (Salil'er echhaaRaa "musically rich" aar kono
>>baanglaa movie kheyaal poRchhe ki ? Sambit ?? "Sister" baa "Lal Pathar"
>>number-e kam - "Daakharkaraa" ki Salil'er ? "Gangaa"-y duto'r beshi aar ki
>>gaan chhilo ?).
>>
>Kobita mone hoye Salil'er music (naki RD); Dakharkara doubtful; ote Geeta Dutt'r "kaancher chuDir
>chotak.." gaan ta chilo; likely Hemanta'r music; Salil mone hoina Geeta Dutt ke kono deen use korechilen.
"Daakhorkora" Sudhin Dasgupta-r music. "Kobita" Salil
Chowdhury-r. Salil Chowdhury-r prothom diker tinte
chhobi-te shukho-srabyo besh kichhu gaan chhilo -
"Pasher baaDi", "Borjaatri" aar "Akdin Ratre".
SC bangla-y Geeta Datta-ke diye kono gaan gaiyechhen bole
shunini, tobe hindi-te akta duto gaiyechhen.
Sambit
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55itd4$p...@er7.rutgers.edu>, sam...@eden.rutgers.edu says...
>
>joyd...@rcf.usc.edu (Joydeep Bhattacharya) writes:
>
[....]
>
> SC bangla-y Geeta Datta-ke diye kono gaan gaiyechhen bole
> shunini, tobe hindi-te akta duto gaiyechhen.
>
>
> Sambit
>
Udhahoron? Amaar ektao mone poDche na.
Joydeep
Sharmila Mukherjee
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
[...]
Tabey Shakti Samanta-r chhobi -- unchu
> maaner naa holeo bhaalo gaan thaakto-- abasya hindi "Amarprem" er
> katha alaada, chhobi ebang gaan dui anabadya. Achcha er bangla
> "Nishi-padma" keu dekhechen ?Sunechi Amarprem-er Rajesh naaki
> Nishipadma-r Uttam-er chhey better !!
Na, ta kintu noi...in fact Raajesh nije-i shikaar korechhen je Amar
Prem-e obhinoi korar aage uni Nishipoddo dyakhen ebong kichu shekhaar
cheshta koren. Uni nijei bolechhen je ta shotte-o uni Uttam Kumar-er
kacha-kachi-o jete paaren ni.
Sharmila
Rajiv Shukla
In article <55l29l$6...@usc.edu> joyd...@rcf.usc.edu (Joydeep Bhattacharya) writes:
>Amar mote Nishipodmo te Uttam Kumar prochur "overacting" kore thaken; Amar Prem'e Rajesh o kichu
>kom jaina. Eder dujoner "mannerisms" eto beshi, je sherokhom bhalo director na pele, era dujonei besh
>baaje acting kore thake.
Bangla cinema te je kono actor/actress i overacting are nyakami kore thaken,
ete are aschorjo hawar ki acche!
>
>Apnader mote Uttam'er shottyi bhalo acting kon cinema'te dekha jai? Aamar to Agneeswar aar Nayak
>chaDa ekta cinema'ro naam mone poDche na.
Aykta o nay!
Rajiv
>
>Joydeep
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>Joydeep Bhattacharya
>Finance and Business Economics Department
>School of Business Administration
>University of Southern California
>Los Angeles CA 90089-1421
>Phone: (213) 740 6518 ; Fax : (213) 740 6555
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Rajiv Shukla My opinions are mine.
ra...@ctt.bellcore.com I don't speak for my
Bell Communications Research employer.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
> Amar mote Nishipodmo te Uttam Kumar prochur "overacting" kore thaken; Amar Prem'e Rajesh o kichu
> kom jaina. Eder dujoner "mannerisms" eto beshi, je sherokhom bhalo director na pele, era dujonei besh
> baaje acting kore thake.
>
> Apnader mote Uttam'er shottyi bhalo acting kon cinema'te dekha jai? Aamar to Agneeswar aar Nayak
> chaDa ekta cinema'ro naam mone poDche na.
Agneeshwar-e bujhi `overacting' nei? Shesh Onko aar hindi-r DooriyaN
aamar bhaalo legechhilo.
Sharmila
Arnab Gupta
Rajiv Shukla wrote:
>>Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>>
>>
>>`Hero' howar shonge kintu `mannerism' byapartar besh bhalorokom jogajog
>>achhe. Ota chhere kono obhineta boro `nayak' hotey perechhen: erokom
>>udahoron khub beshi paoa jabena, na amader deshey Banglai ba Bombai-e,
>>na Hollywood-e. Robert Donat thheke Gregory Peck hoye Tom Cruise, ba
>>amader deshey Saigal thheke Amitabh Bachhan hoye Salman Khan obdhi,
>
>Eto muri are micchri mishiye dilen dekhcchi!
Ke muri aar ke michhri ?
Mannerism are iniye biniye
>nyakami kara ki are ayk holo naki?
Khub tophat nei, dutoi `baaje obhinoy'er srenitey porey boley amar
dharona. Karor `dhishum dhishum' bhalo laage, karor nyakamo. Oti ebong
baaje obhinoy dutotei thhaktey paare boley amar mone hoi.
>Are what about Harrison Ford? Uni to besh mannerism charai kaaj chaliye dilen.
>Tom Cruise keo hero bolte apottyi acche amar.
>
`Indiana Jones' er series-er chhobigulo amar kachhe otyonto hashyokor
laage, ar hNya Harrison Ford-er `mannerism'o kom thhake na tatey.
Kichhu korar nei oboshyo, orokom jogojompho script holey, aar adibhoutik
byaparshyapar thhakley obhinoy orokom hotey baddho.Tobey Harrison Ford
obhinoy-ta kharap koren na, onyanyo aro chhobi dekhe ja mone hoi.
Tom Cruise `Rainman'-e chhoto bhumikay besh bhalo obhinoy korechhilen.
Mushkil holo Dustin Hoffman aar `Rainman'er choritro-tar chapey khub
aykta chokhey porey na tNar obhinoy. Tobey `supporting actor'er
Oscar-ta peyechhilen na ? Naki shudhui nomination ? Hero hishebe Tom
Cruise-ke khub ullekhjogyo amaro lagena.
>>shobari obhinoy olpobistor mannerism-er doshey doshi. Nayok hotey gele
>>je `image' toiri kortey hoy, shetar modhyei ei otiobhinoy-er shorto-ta
>>lukiye achhe. Aar sheta hoy bolei Uttamkumar-ke gram-er chasha-bhusho
>>thheke shohorer jNadrel babu - shob choritrei dorshok otyonto anonder
>>shonge meney nyan - `image'ta boro hoye jai, obhinoy-ta totota noy.
>
>Darshak ra jodi buddhu hay tahole are ki kara jabe?
>
Thiki thiki...tobey shobrokomi to achhe, ei dhorun na aapnii to besh
established aykta Bangla chhobir itihashey bobhineta/obhinetri-der
shudhu nyakami dekhtey pan. Dosh nai konotatei, aap ka ruchi..
>>
>>kintu obhinoy onek porinoto. Tulonay bangla chhobir shobcheye boro
>>nayika Suchitra Sen-er obhinoy-e ami khub aykta `variation' dekhtey pai
>
>"shobcheye boro" maane ta ki? Suchitra Sen are tar obhinoy ke dhoor bolleo
>bodhoy khub beshi pattya deowa hay!
>
Amar purno shomorthon janalam. Kintu ami to bolini uni bhalo obhinetri,
ami bolechhi uni shobcheye boro `nayika'. Amar aykhono kono shondeho
nei tatey.
>>na. Pashapashi Supriya-r obhinoy besh kichhu chhobi-tey onek uNchu
>>srenir mone hoi.
>
>I agree.
Amar shoubhagyo :-)
Arnab.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <327DF9...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>, s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu
says...
Amar mote Nishipodmo te Uttam Kumar prochur "overacting" kore thaken; Amar Prem'e Rajesh o kichu
kom jaina. Eder dujoner "mannerisms" eto beshi, je sherokhom bhalo director na pele, era dujonei besh
baaje acting kore thake.
Apnader mote Uttam'er shottyi bhalo acting kon cinema'te dekha jai? Aamar to Agneeswar aar Nayak
chaDa ekta cinema'ro naam mone poDche na.
Joydeep
Rajiv Shukla
In article <55l4r2$d...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) writes:
>Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
>
>`Hero' howar shonge kintu `mannerism' byapartar besh bhalorokom jogajog
>achhe. Ota chhere kono obhineta boro `nayak' hotey perechhen: erokom
>udahoron khub beshi paoa jabena, na amader deshey Banglai ba Bombai-e,
>na Hollywood-e. Robert Donat thheke Gregory Peck hoye Tom Cruise, ba
>amader deshey Saigal thheke Amitabh Bachhan hoye Salman Khan obdhi,
Eto muri are micchri mishiye dilen dekhcchi! Mannerism are iniye biniye
nyakami kara ki are ayk holo naki?
Are what about Harrison Ford? Uni to besh mannerism charai kaaj chaliye dilen.
Tom Cruise keo hero bolte apottyi acche amar.
>shobari obhinoy olpobistor mannerism-er doshey doshi. Nayok hotey gele
>je `image' toiri kortey hoy, shetar modhyei ei otiobhinoy-er shorto-ta
>lukiye achhe. Aar sheta hoy bolei Uttamkumar-ke gram-er chasha-bhusho
>thheke shohorer jNadrel babu - shob choritrei dorshok otyonto anonder
>shonge meney nyan - `image'ta boro hoye jai, obhinoy-ta totota noy.
Darshak ra jodi buddhu hay tahole are ki kara jabe?
>
>kintu obhinoy onek porinoto. Tulonay bangla chhobir shobcheye boro
>nayika Suchitra Sen-er obhinoy-e ami khub aykta `variation' dekhtey pai
"shobcheye boro" maane ta ki? Suchitra Sen are tar obhinoy ke dhoor bolleo
bodhoy khub beshi pattya deowa hay!
>na. Pashapashi Supriya-r obhinoy besh kichhu chhobi-tey onek uNchu
>srenir mone hoi.
I agree.
Rajiv
Snehasis Ganguly
Rajiv Shukla (ra...@ctt.bellcore.com) wrote:
: In article <55l29l$6...@usc.edu> joyd...@rcf.usc.edu (Joydeep Bhattacharya) writes:
: >Amar mote Nishipodmo te Uttam Kumar prochur "overacting" kore thaken; Amar Prem'e Rajesh o kichu
: >baaje acting kore thake.
: Bangla cinema te je kono actor/actress i overacting are nyakami kore thaken,
: ete are aschorjo hawar ki acche!
50-60 er doshok-etey eiyrokom chilo; hollywood-er cinemateo to
nekaami hoto;ete aar ashchorjyor ki aache he?
: >
: >Apnader mote Uttam'er shottyi bhalo acting kon cinema'te dekha jai? Aamar to Agneeswar aar Nayak
: >chaDa ekta cinema'ro naam mone poDche na.
: Aykta o nay!
: Rajiv
Arnab Gupta
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>>
>>Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>> Tabey Shakti Samanta-r chhobi -- unchu
>>> maaner naa holeo bhaalo gaan thaakto-- abasya hindi "Amarprem" er
>>> katha alaada, chhobi ebang gaan dui anabadya. Achcha er bangla
>>> "Nishi-padma" keu dekhechen ?Sunechi Amarprem-er Rajesh naaki
>>> Nishipadma-r Uttam-er chhey better !!
>>
>> Na, ta kintu noi...in fact Raajesh nije-i shikaar korechhen je Amar
>>Prem-e obhinoi korar aage uni Nishipoddo dyakhen ebong kichu shekhaar
>>cheshta koren. Uni nijei bolechhen je ta shotte-o uni Uttam Kumar-er
>>kacha-kachi-o jete paaren ni.
>>
>>Sharmila
>
>Amar mote Nishipodmo te Uttam Kumar prochur "overacting" kore thaken; Amar Prem'e Rajesh o kichu
>kom jaina. Eder dujoner "mannerisms" eto beshi, je sherokhom bhalo director na pele, era dujonei besh
>baaje acting kore thake.
>
>Apnader mote Uttam'er shottyi bhalo acting kon cinema'te dekha jai? Aamar to Agneeswar aar Nayak
>chaDa ekta cinema'ro naam mone poDche na.
>
`Hero' howar shonge kintu `mannerism' byapartar besh bhalorokom jogajog
achhe. Ota chhere kono obhineta boro `nayak' hotey perechhen: erokom
udahoron khub beshi paoa jabena, na amader deshey Banglai ba Bombai-e,
na Hollywood-e. Robert Donat thheke Gregory Peck hoye Tom Cruise, ba
amader deshey Saigal thheke Amitabh Bachhan hoye Salman Khan obdhi,
shobari obhinoy olpobistor mannerism-er doshey doshi. Nayok hotey gele
je `image' toiri kortey hoy, shetar modhyei ei otiobhinoy-er shorto-ta
lukiye achhe. Aar sheta hoy bolei Uttamkumar-ke gram-er chasha-bhusho
thheke shohorer jNadrel babu - shob choritrei dorshok otyonto anonder
shonge meney nyan - `image'ta boro hoye jai, obhinoy-ta totota noy.
Ami bolchhi na eta `rule' (likhtey likhtei `Abhimaan' chhobitey `Amitabh
Bachhan aar Jaya Bhaduri'r obhinoy mone porchhe), kintu odhhikangsho
khetrey amar nijer kachhe eta shotti mone hoyechhe.
Shutorang, bhalo obhinoy dekhtey gele tNader oi `nayok'er bhumika thheke
baar korey antey hobey. Rajesh Khanna-r shommondhe amar khub uNuchu
dharona nei (apnaar shonge miley jai), kintu Uttamkumar-ke besh kichhu
chhobi-tey (ebong taar moddhey beshirbhag-i dhur chhobi), bisheshoto
onar jiboner shesher dikey bhalo obhinoy kortey dekhechhi. Udahoronshorup
ekhuni boltey paari `Jodubongsho', `Nogor dorponey' ba `Baghbondi Khela'
ba `dui prithibi'r kotha. Amar nijer motey Uttamkumar khub `gifted'
chhilen na obhineta hishebe, kintu dhapey dhapey odhyaboshaiyer jorey
tNar obhinoy porer dikey onek porinoto hoye othey. Aymonki `nayok'
hishebeo lokhyo korey dekhben, `Sagarika'r Uttamkumar aar `Harano
Shur'er Uttamkumar-er onek tophat - matro du bochhorer byabodhan,
kintu obhinoy onek porinoto. Tulonay bangla chhobir shobcheye boro
nayika Suchitra Sen-er obhinoy-e ami khub aykta `variation' dekhtey pai
na. Pashapashi Supriya-r obhinoy besh kichhu chhobi-tey onek uNchu
srenir mone hoi.
Arnab.
Indrani DasGupta
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> Shutorang, bhalo obhinoy dekhtey gele tNader oi `nayok'er bhumika thheke
> baar korey antey hobey. Rajesh Khanna-r shommondhe amar khub uNuchu
> dharona nei (apnaar shonge miley jai),
Kintu eta-o thhik je amader desh-e (bishesh kore hindi chhobi-te) bhalo
director aar scriptwriter (reality-based) durlobh. Rajesh Khanna-ke amaar
chhotobela-y "hebby" lagto. Kano? Bhalo dekhte bole? "Smart" bole? Akhon
mon-e hoy ... thak sheta aar nai-i ba bollam. Obhinoy khomota Rajesh-er
kom-i chhilo, Amitabh-er tulona-y. Kintu akdin Rajesh-er akta chhobi aami
aar bhai akrokom hothat kore-i dekhe phelechhilam - Ittefaq - keu
dekhechhen? This was a Rajesh different from all the others.
Tobe Amitabh was no great shakes, either. Akta kotha amaar barbar mon-e
hoy, Jaya na thakle aamra ki Amitabh-er theke o-r je-koti "dyakhbar moto"
chhobi aachhe, ta petam?
kintu Uttamkumar-ke besh kichhu
> chhobi-tey (ebong taar moddhey beshirbhag-i dhur chhobi), bisheshoto
> onar jiboner shesher dikey bhalo obhinoy kortey dekhechhi. Udahoronshorup
> ekhuni boltey paari `Jodubongsho', `Nogor dorponey' ba `Baghbondi Khela'
> ba `dui prithibi'r kotha. Amar nijer motey Uttamkumar khub `gifted'
> chhilen na obhineta hishebe, kintu dhapey dhapey odhyaboshaiyer jorey
> tNar obhinoy porer dikey onek porinoto hoye othey. Aymonki `nayok'
> hishebeo lokhyo korey dekhben, `Sagarika'r Uttamkumar aar `Harano
> Shur'er Uttamkumar-er onek tophat - matro du bochhorer byabodhan,
> kintu obhinoy onek porinoto.
Uttam-er, IMO, ja chhilo - ta holo shohojaato shoundorjyo (chehara-r
kotha bolchhina), aar akta oshadharon "naturalness". Onar aage Durgadas,
Promothesh, Bosonto Choudhuri, amonki nayok-er bhumika-y Bikash Ray-der
uni ei "natural-ness" er jonnyo-i jonopriyota-y pechhon-e phele beriye
gyachhen. Shey kkhetre jototuku mannerisms onar chhilo ta holo shei
doshok-er chinho-shworup. Kintu ei mannerisms-gulo kintu onar oi
naturalness keDe nite paareni. Bibhas ba Shyamoli-te onar mannerisms,
compared to Nayika Songbad ba Jibon Trishna, was "dated". Kintu tokhonkar
pokhkhye tai-i chhilo box-office attraction.
>
> Arnab.
Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
Fatafati gaan thaka-r byapar-e ei cinema-gulo-r kotha keu bolechhen?
1. Goopy Gayin Bagha Bayin - ete shob kota.
2. Mon Niye - Ogo Kajol Noyona Horinee (thhik bolchhi Sharmila-di?)
3. Bilombito Loy - BNedhona, Phulo Mala Dore (ibid)
4. Stree - Shob kota
5. Bosonto Bilaap - Aami Miss Calcutta 1976. Aar akta chhilo, mon-e
poDchhena.
6. Nayeeka Songbad - Ki Mishti Dyakho Mishti, Ki Mishti E Shokal. Ei
gaan-ta-te jokhon Anjana Bhoumik gaichhen "prem jomuna-r teer-e boshe
boshe milon-er din gunchhi" tokhon Uttam-er expression dyakha-r moto :)
Ke bolbe bhoddorlok obhinoy korte parten na.
7. Antony Firingi - shob kota.
Indrani.
Kalpataru Barman
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
> Amar mote Nishipodmo te Uttam Kumar prochur "overacting" kore thaken; >Amar Prem'e Rajesh o kichu kom jaina. Eder dujoner "mannerisms" eto beshi, je sherokhom bhalo director na pele, era dujonei besh
> baaje acting kore thake.
> Apnader mote Uttam'er shottyi bhalo acting kon cinema'te dekha jai? > Aamar to Agneeswar aar Nayak chaDa ekta cinema'ro naam mone poDche na.
>
Bangali hero, ebang bhalo actor -- dujan ke money porchhey --
Chhabi Biswas ebang Saumitra . Oi Kabuliwala baa "Koni" ekabarey
anabadya.
Kalpataru Barman
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> `Indiana Jones' er series-er chhobigulo amar kachhe otyonto hashyokor
> laage, ar hNya Harrison Ford-er `mannerism'o kom thhake na tatey.
> Kichhu korar nei oboshyo, orokom jogojompho script holey, aar adibhoutik
> byaparshyapar thhakley obhinoy orokom hotey baddho.Tobey Harrison Ford
> obhinoy-ta kharap koren na, onyanyo aro chhobi dekhe ja mone hoi.
Uh-nn ! Harison Ford ke niye kono katha noi. Oi holen ekjon actor
jini balance-ta raakhen-- "extreme violence" othoba "churanto nyakami"--
r kono-tai taar obhinoi-ke sparsha kortey paarey-ni. Sahhey ki aar
taakey anek bodhdha "Actor of the Century" ( reference chaiben naa,
mone nei ) bolecheen ! Aar Indiana Jones er chobi-gulo bachcha-der
janya. "Gupi Gayen Bagha Bayen" dekhey ki aar keu gaja-khuri bolen !
>
> Tom Cruise `Rainman'-e chhoto bhumikay besh bhalo obhinoy korechhilen.
> Mushkil holo Dustin Hoffman aar `Rainman'er choritro-tar chapey khub
> aykta chokhey porey na tNar obhinoy. Tobey `supporting actor'er
> Oscar-ta peyechhilen na ? Naki shudhui nomination ? Hero hishebe Tom
> Cruise-ke khub ullekhjogyo amaro lagena.
>
Kintu "A few good men" to kharaap noi. Abasya bhebey dekhley Jack
Nicolson er acting-i oi cinemar param sampad.
> >"shobcheye boro" maane ta ki? Suchitra Sen are tar obhinoy ke dhoor bolleo
> >bodhoy khub beshi pattya deowa hay!
> >
> Amar purno shomorthon janalam. Kintu ami to bolini uni bhalo obhinetri,
> ami bolechhi uni shobcheye boro `nayika'. Amar aykhono kono shondeho
> nei tatey.
>
Ekabaarey "dhoor" !! satti ki tai ! Amar-o khub ekta bhalo laagey naa,
taa-boley ekebaarey akhadya noi.
> Amar shoubhagyo :-)
>
> Arnab.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <327E2E...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>, s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu says...
> Agneeshwar-e bujhi `overacting' nei? Shesh Onko aar hindi-r DooriyaN
>aamar bhaalo legechhilo.
>
>Sharmila
Oneik bochor aagey dekhechilam; details mone nei; tobe jod dhur mone poDche, overall besh bhalo obhinoi
korechilen bhodrolok. Shesh Onko aami dekhini; DooriyaN dekhechi tobey khub ekta bhalo lageni. Dosh ta
amar; kichu bangali hero-heroine'der hindi uccharon eto baaje, je it distracts me from enjoying the film or
the acting. I cannot get over that. That list includes Suchitra Sen in Aandhi or in Mamta (Uttar phalguni'r
hindi). Hindi Amanush je karon'e aami ekdom tolerate korte parini.
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Joydeep Bhattacharya
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55l4r2$d...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu says...
>`Hero' howar shonge kintu `mannerism' byapartar besh bhalorokom jogajog
>achhe. Ota chhere kono obhineta boro `nayak' hotey perechhen: erokom
>udahoron khub beshi paoa jabena, na amader deshey Banglai ba Bombai-e,
>na Hollywood-e. Robert Donat thheke Gregory Peck hoye Tom Cruise, ba
>amader deshey Saigal thheke Amitabh Bachhan hoye Salman Khan obdhi,
>shobari obhinoy olpobistor mannerism-er doshey doshi.
[...]
>Arnab.
Arnab:
I completely agree with your analysis. Tobe ki jaanen, obhineta'r nijer ki uchit noi, nije'r ei chaaNch theke
nijeke bar kore, sorboda notun bhabe prochesta korar? Rajesh Khanna, chakor shajleo ghaaD benkiye
kotha bole (Bawaarchi) aabar artist shajleo (Mere Jeevan Saathi; Sagar); Uttam o kichuta tai; shei kalo
mota frame'er chosma'r pechon theke.." maane, bujhlen, aami na, maane, thik...". Ashol jhaaD ta
kheyechilo Nayak e shei "probeen obhineta'r" kaach theke; mone aache: "eta ki swogotorthi na Hollywood
style; beeD-beeD korcho keno....". Sometimes I think it was Ray's idea to include that monologue
purposely to explain something to the already well-established Uttam! :-)
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55laor$k...@athos.cc.bellcore.com>, ra...@ctt.bellcore.com says...
[...]
>
>Bangla cinema te je kono actor/actress i overacting are nyakami kore thaken,
>ete are aschorjo hawar ki acche!
[...]
>Rajiv
Bangla cinema'ye side actor-actress oneikei (choritro obhineta/netri jaader ke bola hoye) jaara IMHO
overacting koren/korten na. For example: Satya Bandopadhya (?) of Pather Panchali fame, the young
Soumitra ; Aheen Choudhury (the doyen), Santosh Dutta, Chaya Debi, Sreela Majumdar (her Mrinal Sen
days), Mamata Shankar (Dakhal, Greehajuddha), Kamu Mukherjee, PahaDi Sanyal, Johor Ray(largely),
Gyanesh Mukherjee.......
Arnab's characterization still stands; the above mentioned were not "heroes" or "heroines" with a larger than
life image that say a Suchitra Sen, Supriya Debi or a Uttam Kumar enjoyed.
Joydeep
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
> Kintu eta-o thhik je amader desh-e (bishesh kore hindi chhobi-te) bhalo
> director aar scriptwriter (reality-based) durlobh. Rajesh Khanna-ke amaar
> chhotobela-y "hebby" lagto. Kano? Bhalo dekhte bole? "Smart" bole? Akhon
> mon-e hoy ... thak sheta aar nai-i ba bollam. Obhinoy khomota Rajesh-er
> kom-i chhilo, Amitabh-er tulona-y. Kintu akdin Rajesh-er akta chhobi aami
> aar bhai akrokom hothat kore-i dekhe phelechhilam - Ittefaq - keu
> dekhechhen? This was a Rajesh different from all the others.
Hain dekhechi, shotti-ee bhaalo....how about Safar? Otate mone hoi
mannerisms baad diye-i obhinoi chhilo.
>
> Tobe Amitabh was no great shakes, either. Akta kotha amaar barbar mon-e
> hoy, Jaya na thakle aamra ki Amitabh-er theke o-r je-koti "dyakhbar moto"
> chhobi aachhe, ta petam?
Indrani, khub kharaap hoye jaabe bole dichchi!
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> In article <327E2E...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>, s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu says...
> > Agneeshwar-e bujhi `overacting' nei? Shesh Onko aar hindi-r DooriyaN
> >aamar bhaalo legechhilo.
> >
> >Sharmila
>
> Oneik bochor aagey dekhechilam; details mone nei; tobe jod dhur mone poDche, overall besh bhalo obhinoi
> korechilen bhodrolok. Shesh Onko aami dekhini; DooriyaN dekhechi tobey khub ekta bhalo lageni. Dosh ta
> amar; kichu bangali hero-heroine'der hindi uccharon eto baaje, je it distracts me from enjoying the film or
> the acting. I cannot get over that. That list includes Suchitra Sen in Aandhi or in Mamta (Uttar phalguni'r
> hindi). Hindi Amanush je karon'e aami ekdom tolerate korte parini.
Aandhi to dekhte hoi shudhu Sanjeev Kumar-ke dyakhar jonyo aar
Gulzar-er dialogue/lyrics shonaar jonyo. DuriyaN-te kintu obhinoi-ta
besh bhaaloi korechhilen, mannerisms-o khub aykta chhilo na..aar jotodur
mone poDe, onaake dub kora hoyechhilo.
Sharmila
Rajiv Shukla
"Kabuliwala" r moddhye je tuku bhalo laga r acche seta Rabindranath r credit,
Chhabi Biswas r nai, in fact amar dharona cinema te na eshe gram e jatra korle
Chaabi Biswas nijer proti su bichar korten ;-)
Are Soumitra! Kyabla mi te kono prize thakle oboshyoi seta onar paona.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
[...]
Ashol jhaaD ta
> kheyechilo Nayak e shei "probeen obhineta'r" kaach theke; mone aache: "eta ki swogotorthi na Hollywood
> style; beeD-beeD korcho keno....".
Ota shogotokti hobe Joydeep.
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> Fatafati gaan thaka-r byapar-e ei cinema-gulo-r kotha keu bolechhen?
>
> 1. Goopy Gayin Bagha Bayin - ete shob kota.
>
> 2. Mon Niye - Ogo Kajol Noyona Horinee (thhik bolchhi Sharmila-di?)
Hain, thik...aar aei cinemati-te Supriya-r obhinoi besh ektu onyorokom
chhilo.
>
> 3. Bilombito Loy - BNedhona, Phulo Mala Dore (ibid)
>
> 4. Stree - Shob kota
>
> 5. Bosonto Bilaap - Aami Miss Calcutta 1976. Aar akta chhilo, mon-e
> poDchhena.
Aei re, aykebaare jhuliye dile je! Er theke to `jwole poore jaak' onek
better. Aei boiti-te oboshyo chuDaanto nyakaami, heroine ebong tNaar
baandhobi-der, tai na Sambit? :-)
> 6. Nayeeka Songbad - Ki Mishti Dyakho Mishti, Ki Mishti E Shokal. Ei
> gaan-ta-te jokhon Anjana Bhoumik gaichhen "prem jomuna-r teer-e boshe
> boshe milon-er din gunchhi" tokhon Uttam-er expression dyakha-r moto :)
Uttam-er expression-er kotha Rockies-e-o shunechhilaam, byapar ki? :-)
> Ke bolbe bhoddorlok obhinoy korte parten na.
Aei proshonge aykta chhobi-r kotha keu bolen ni jetaate IMHO, Uttam
ebong Shupriya dujonei bhaalo obhinoi korechhilen, Kaal Tumi Aaleya.
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Rajiv Shukla wrote:
[...]
> Are Soumitra! Kyabla mi te kono prize thakle oboshyoi seta onar paona.
Sambit! Kichu bolo! :-)
Sharmila
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <327F49...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>, s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu says...
[...]
> Aandhi to dekhte hoi shudhu Sanjeev Kumar-ke dyakhar jonyo aar
>Gulzar-er dialogue/lyrics shonaar jonyo.
[..]
>
>Sharmila
Amra chelera Aandhi te shudhu Ms. Sen kei dekhi! Gaan to radio teo shona jai!
Joydeep
Arnab Gupta
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>> `Indiana Jones' er series-er chhobigulo amar kachhe otyonto hashyokor
>> laage, ar hNya Harrison Ford-er `mannerism'o kom thhake na tatey.
>> Kichhu korar nei oboshyo, orokom jogojompho script holey, aar adibhoutik
>> byaparshyapar thhakley obhinoy orokom hotey baddho.Tobey Harrison Ford
>> obhinoy-ta kharap koren na, onyanyo aro chhobi dekhe ja mone hoi.
>
>Uh-nn ! Harison Ford ke niye kono katha noi. Oi holen ekjon actor
>jini balance-ta raakhen-- "extreme violence" othoba "churanto nyakami"--
>r kono-tai taar obhinoi-ke sparsha kortey paarey-ni. Sahhey ki aar
>taakey anek bodhdha "Actor of the Century" ( reference chaiben naa,
>mone nei ) bolecheen ! Aar Indiana Jones er chobi-gulo bachcha-der
>janya. "Gupi Gayen Bagha Bayen" dekhey ki aar keu gaja-khuri bolen !
>
Fantasy hishebey `Indiana Jones' er shonge Gupi-Baghar tulona hoi na.
Indiana Jones thik fantasy howar cheshtao korena - aajgubi maal-ke
realistically dyakhabar cheshta bola jetey paare. Amar `adibhoutik'
kothata byabohaar hoito bhul hoyechhilo. Aajgoobi jinish-ke
shilposhommoto bhabey byabohaar korata besh kothin. `Indiana Jones'
dekhley `obishwash'i hoy shudhu, jemon `superman'-e hoy, taar beshi
kichhu noy. Pashapashi `ET' amar onek bhalo mone hoy. Aar bhalo adventure
dekhtey chailey `Mobydick' amar kachhe onek uNuchu srenir. `Indiana
Jones', `Walter Mitty'r dibashopnogulor thheke beshi aar ki ?
..[deleted]..
>> Amar purno shomorthon janalam. Kintu ami to bolini uni bhalo obhinetri,
>> ami bolechhi uni shobcheye boro `nayika'. Amar aykhono kono shondeho
>> nei tatey.
>>
>
>Ekabaarey "dhoor" !! satti ki tai ! Amar-o khub ekta bhalo laagey naa,
>taa-boley ekebaarey akhadya noi.
>
hotey paaren, tobey onar juger onyanyo nayika-ra (Sabitri, Supriya ba
Orundhuti Debi, othoba porer dikey Madhabi..ityadi) onekei onar thheke
bhalo obhinoy korten.
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>Arnab:
>
>I completely agree with your analysis. Tobe ki jaanen, obhineta'r nijer ki uchit noi, nije'r ei chaaNch theke
>nijeke bar kore, sorboda notun bhabe prochesta korar? Rajesh Khanna, chakor shajleo ghaaD benkiye
>kotha bole (Bawaarchi) aabar artist shajleo (Mere Jeevan Saathi; Sagar); Uttam o kichuta tai; shei kalo
>mota frame'er chosma'r pechon theke.." maane, bujhlen, aami na, maane, thik...". Ashol jhaaD ta
>kheyechilo Nayak e shei "probeen obhineta'r" kaach theke; mone aache: "eta ki swogotorthi na Hollywood
>style; beeD-beeD korcho keno....". Sometimes I think it was Ray's idea to include that monologue
>purposely to explain something to the already well-established Uttam! :-)
Apni bodhoy `nayok' er udhhriti-ta bhul bhabey byabohaar korlen (jodi amar
thikthak mone thhake). Oi shooting drishyo-ta chhilo Arindam-er jibon-er
shurur dikkar, kahinir potobhumika Bonkimi Bangla. Arindam-ke chhobitey
dyakhano hoyechhe aykjon bhalo natok-er obhineta hishebe. Shey obhinoy
bojhe, `natural' obhinoy kakey boley ta jaane. Shei karonei shey tokhonkar
procholito `natukey' obhinoy na korey ja shwabhabik ta korar cheshta
korey...tar jukti: Bonkim-er jug-e baba-der shamney chheleder matha tuley
uNuchu shworey kotha bolata rewaj chhilona. Erporey amra abar background-e
Arindam-er kotha shuntey pai, Aditi-ke shey bolchhe je aykghor loker
shamney takey opomaan korlen bhodrolok, kintu shey nishchoi janey je
shey jeta korchhilo shetai thik, onar-ta na, karon ota ochol.
Karor kachhe `Nayak'er `script' achhe ki ? Sheta dekhley byaparta
hoito aro porishkaar hotey paare.
Thanks,
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>>
>>Bangla cinema te je kono actor/actress i overacting are nyakami kore thaken,
>>ete are aschorjo hawar ki acche!
>[...]
>
>>Rajiv
>
>Bangla cinema'ye side actor-actress oneikei (choritro obhineta/netri jaader ke bola hoye) jaara IMHO
>overacting koren/korten na. For example: Satya Bandopadhya (?) of Pather Panchali fame, the young
>Soumitra ; Aheen Choudhury (the doyen), Santosh Dutta, Chaya Debi, Sreela Majumdar (her Mrinal Sen
>days), Mamata Shankar (Dakhal, Greehajuddha), Kamu Mukherjee, PahaDi Sanyal, Johor Ray(largely),
>Gyanesh Mukherjee.......
>
Ami puro aykmot. Bangla chhobitey ei `supporting actor/actress' der obhinoy
chirokaali amar khub uNuchusrenir mone hoi. Amar aykshomoi khub mone hoto
je obhinoy-er bishesh bishesh shakha-ke jodi alada korey dhori taholey
Bangla chhobir shobcheye `enriched' shakha tothakothito `koutukabhinoy'.
Johor-Bhanu-Nripoti-Shyam Laha-Tulsi Chokroborti-Robi Ghosh-Chinmoy...
aykta besh boro tradition bola jai.
Arnab.
pu: Apni ki pather pNachali-r Tulsi Chakroborti-r kotha boltey chaichhilen ?
Arnab Gupta
Indrani Dasgupta wrote:
>> Shutorang, bhalo obhinoy dekhtey gele tNader oi `nayok'er bhumika thheke
>> baar korey antey hobey. Rajesh Khanna-r shommondhe amar khub uNuchu
>> dharona nei (apnaar shonge miley jai),
>
>Kintu eta-o thhik je amader desh-e (bishesh kore hindi chhobi-te) bhalo
>director aar scriptwriter (reality-based) durlobh. Rajesh Khanna-ke amaar
>chhotobela-y "hebby" lagto. Kano? Bhalo dekhte bole? "Smart" bole? Akhon
>mon-e hoy ... thak sheta aar nai-i ba bollam. Obhinoy khomota Rajesh-er
>kom-i chhilo, Amitabh-er tulona-y. Kintu akdin Rajesh-er akta chhobi aami
>aar bhai akrokom hothat kore-i dekhe phelechhilam - Ittefaq - keu
>dekhechhen? This was a Rajesh different from all the others.
>
>Tobe Amitabh was no great shakes, either. Akta kotha amaar barbar mon-e
>hoy, Jaya na thakle aamra ki Amitabh-er theke o-r je-koti "dyakhbar moto"
>chhobi aachhe, ta petam?
>
Hotey paare, kintu mushkil holo Rajesh Khanna -ke ami shwabhabik
obhinoy kortey dekhini (shob chhobi amar dyakhao noy). Kintu
Amitabh-ke ami dekhechhi. Bhodrolok oboshyo `background narration'e
thheke geleo khub kharap korten na.
> kintu Uttamkumar-ke besh kichhu
>> chhobi-tey (ebong taar moddhey beshirbhag-i dhur chhobi), bisheshoto
>> onar jiboner shesher dikey bhalo obhinoy kortey dekhechhi. Udahoronshorup
>> ekhuni boltey paari `Jodubongsho', `Nogor dorponey' ba `Baghbondi Khela'
>> ba `dui prithibi'r kotha. Amar nijer motey Uttamkumar khub `gifted'
>> chhilen na obhineta hishebe, kintu dhapey dhapey odhyaboshaiyer jorey
>> tNar obhinoy porer dikey onek porinoto hoye othey. Aymonki `nayok'
>> hishebeo lokhyo korey dekhben, `Sagarika'r Uttamkumar aar `Harano
>> Shur'er Uttamkumar-er onek tophat - matro du bochhorer byabodhan,
>> kintu obhinoy onek porinoto.
>
>Uttam-er, IMO, ja chhilo - ta holo shohojaato shoundorjyo (chehara-r
>kotha bolchhina), aar akta oshadharon "naturalness". Onar aage Durgadas,
>Promothesh, Bosonto Choudhuri, amonki nayok-er bhumika-y Bikash Ray-der
>uni ei "natural-ness" er jonnyo-i jonopriyota-y pechhon-e phele beriye
>gyachhen. Shey kkhetre jototuku mannerisms onar chhilo ta holo shei
>doshok-er chinho-shworup. Kintu ei mannerisms-gulo kintu onar oi
>naturalness keDe nite paareni. Bibhas ba Shyamoli-te onar mannerisms,
>compared to Nayika Songbad ba Jibon Trishna, was "dated". Kintu tokhonkar
>pokhkhye tai-i chhilo box-office attraction.
>
Etar shonge ami aykmot. pNach-er doshok thheke Hindi aar Bangla dui
dikei aDoshtho obhinoy jetey shuru korey. Santosh Ghosh kothao
bolechhilen je tNader juger Johor Ganguly ar Kanonbala jokhon pordai
prem korten tokhon mone hoto putulkhyala hochhey, shei byapar-ta
bhangar krititwo jodi karor thhakey tini Uttamkumar. Hindi chhobiteo
Raj Kapoor ashar por thheke (Awara thheke muloto) aDoshtota kattey
shuru korey.
Arnab.
c0ba...@capella.physics.louisville.edu
In article <327DF9...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu> <55l29l$6...@usc.edu> <55l4r2$d...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <55lbdv$l...@athos.cc.bellcore.com> <55ldo7$g...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) wrote:
> Oti ebong
> baaje obhinoy dutotei thhaktey paare boley amar mone hoi.
Oti abhinoy kaake bole? Reality-te to aki situation-e keu keu
khoob kom react koren abar keu keu khoob beshi chNechamichi
kannakati koren? Obhineta/netri konta represent korle, sheta
oti hobe ba hobe na?
> Tom Cruise `Rainman'-e chhoto bhumikay besh bhalo obhinoy korechhilen.
> Mushkil holo Dustin Hoffman aar `Rainman'er choritro-tar chapey khub
> aykta chokhey porey na tNar obhinoy.
Shotti ki Tom Cruise chokhe poDenni? Dustin Hoffman-er choritro-tayi
chilo akta uncommon choritro. Shekhane Cruise-er choritro-ta
roj dekha jaye amon choritro. Ato shabhabik legechhe je alada kore
obhinoy korchhen mone hoyeni. Isn't that reflecting reality more
and hence good potrayal?
> Arnab.
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Arnab Gupta
Sayan Bhattacharya wrote:
>>Indiana Jones thik fantasy howar cheshtao korena - aajgubi maal-ke
>>realistically dyakhabar cheshta bola jetey paare. Amar `adibhoutik'
>>kothata byabohaar hoito bhul hoyechhilo. Aajgoobi jinish-ke
>>shilposhommoto bhabey byabohaar korata besh kothin. `Indiana Jones'
>>dekhley `obishwash'i hoy shudhu, jemon `superman'-e hoy, taar beshi
>>kichhu noy.
>
>
>Actually, I think that the Indiana Jones movies actually poke fun,
>in a self-reflexive way, at the genre to which they themselves
>belong. The excesses in the films are of a tongue-in-cheek kind,
>meant to poke fun in a good-humored way at the genre, and mutatis
>mutandis, at themselves, even. This reflexive tendency, of course,
>is carried another step further in Tarantino, who in "Pulp Fiction"
>makes fun of the pulp fiction / pulp movie genre in a quite obvious
>way.
>
Tumi ki boltey chaichho je Spielberg eta mathai rekhey Indiana
Jones tulechhen ? Chhobi-te porichaloker chintar chhap `directly'
ba `indirectly' dubhabei dhora portey paare. Prothomtatey
porichalok `shocheton' tini ki kortey chaichhen shey byapare,
dwitiotatey non. `Indiana Jones' dekhey amar kokhono mone hoi
na porichalok khub shocheton bhabey ei `genre'tike byango
korechhen. `Pulp Fiction' shommondhe ultota shotti boley
shunechhi, dekhini tai boltey paarbona.
Aykta proshno: `Indiana Jones'ke jodi eibhabey dyakha jai, taholey
je kono hindi chhobikeo ayki chokhey dekhtey tumi raaji to ?
Jodi na hao, taholey daag-ta kothai ebong kisher bhittitey
kaatbe sheta janatey paaro ?
>Are there examples of this kind of self-irony in Bengali films?
>I can't think of any.
Jodi boli `Sagarika pokes fun at the way medical students daydream
about life beyond Materia Medica (sp ?)', taholey apotti achhe ?
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Chaitali Basu wrote:
>> Oti ebong
>> baaje obhinoy dutotei thhaktey paare boley amar mone hoi.
>
>Oti abhinoy kaake bole? Reality-te to aki situation-e keu keu
>khoob kom react koren abar keu keu khoob beshi chNechamichi
>kannakati koren? Obhineta/netri konta represent korle, sheta
>oti hobe ba hobe na?
>
Lekhar shomoi amar mathai chhilo `natukey' ba jatrar obhinoy-er
shonge cinema-i obhinoyer tophat-er kotha. `Oti' obhinoy-ta
shekhetrey `baaje' obhinoy-i botey, tai alada korey bolata
bahulyo hoye jai shondeho nei. Ar choritro-r shonge maap
rekhey karor `response'-e jodi `aberration' thhakeo taholey
sheta chokhey portey paare, kintu oshwabhabik lagar kotha
noi. Udahoron hishebe boltey paari Woody Allen-er obhinoy-er
kotha, ba kono kono jaigai Utpal Datta-r kotha (oi Rajivbabu
elen boley).
>> Tom Cruise `Rainman'-e chhoto bhumikay besh bhalo obhinoy korechhilen.
>> Mushkil holo Dustin Hoffman aar `Rainman'er choritro-tar chapey khub
>> aykta chokhey porey na tNar obhinoy.
>
>Shotti ki Tom Cruise chokhe poDenni? Dustin Hoffman-er choritro-tayi
>>chilo akta uncommon choritro. Shekhane Cruise-er choritro-ta
>>roj dekha jaye amon choritro. Ato shabhabik legechhe je alada kore
>obhinoy korchhen mone hoyeni. Isn't that reflecting reality more
>and hence good potrayal?
Nishchoi, kintu ami to ta oshwikar korini. Ami dekhtam lokey chhobita
dekhey Dustin Hoffman-er khub proshongsha korto, kintu Tom Cruise-er
bhagye thik totota juttona. Amar dharona shadharon ekti choritro
oshadharon kono choritrer thheke phutiye tola beshi shokto.
Dustin Hoffman-er choritro-ta ayto beshi drishti akorshon korey
je pashapashi Tom Cruise-er bhalo obhinoy khub drishti akorshon
korena. Kintu jodi `obhinoy'er byapare tulona kora hoy taholey
tinio shopholbhabey uttirno oi chhobitey.
Arnab.
Kousik Chakrabarti
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> In article <55laor$k...@athos.cc.bellcore.com>, ra...@ctt.bellcore.com says...
> [...]
>
> >
> >ete are aschorjo hawar ki acche!
> [...]
>
> >Rajiv
>
> Bangla cinema'ye side actor-actress oneikei (choritro obhineta/netri >jaader ke bola hoye) jaara IMHO overacting koren/korten na. For >example: Satya Bandopadhya (?) of Pather Panchali fame, the young
> Soumitra ; Aheen Choudhury (the doyen), Santosh Dutta, Chaya Debi, >Sreela Majumdar (her Mrinal Sen days), Mamata Shankar (Dakhal, >Greehajuddha), Kamu Mukherjee, PahaDi Sanyal, Johor Ray(largely),
> Gyanesh Mukherjee.......
>
> life image that say a Suchitra Sen, Supriya Debi or a Uttam Kumar enjoyed.
>
> Joydeep
Ai thread e likhte thakle bohu kothe lekha jey.Dekhun na apnarey upore
kabol 5 te ganer kothe likhachen ar 500 hoye galo bodhay.
Ter theka borong bishoy becha gyaner kothe bolun.Ami fiteta keta deyar
daityote sachey nilem.Samne "Bhaifote".Tey diay nahoy suru korun.
Joydeep babu r daye parshochoritrer talikey akte nam na jure parlem
na- "Dhrtiman Chattopadhyay".Utpal Dutta akjon obhinate non,akte
motamoti institution.Say lok "Aguntuk" e Dhritiman er samne kamon
chobi.Oituku someya du:dardantyo.
Borabori obhinoy er sathe chaharer akte tanaporen cholte thake,
ontyoto nayok hole mohilakula.Kintu Dhritiman abong Hindi cinema er
jogote Nashirrudin,Om puri abong sorbopori Nana Patekar ter bhul proman
korechen.IMHO they are simply great.
Amer besh mone pore Filmfare award hathe Nana Patekar thik ei
kothetay bolechilen.Baktiter proyojoniyote oporishim.Kintu type premik
er role chare chaharer bishesh proyojon ney bole amer mone hoy.
~Kousik.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Kousik Chakrabarti wrote:
[...]
> Borabori obhinoy er sathe chaharer akte tanaporen cholte thake,
> ontyoto nayok hole mohilakula.Kintu Dhritiman abong Hindi cinema er
> jogote Nashirrudin,Om puri abong sorbopori Nana Patekar ter bhul proman
> korechen.IMHO they are simply great.
ENrao kintu character obhineta-r dol-e poDe jachchen, IMO...typical
hero bolte aamra ja bujhi, she shob role eNra koren na. Tobe shei shob
role jNara koren, tNader ki aapni obhineta bolben na? Aykta hero-r image
bojai rekhe boi-er por boi kora ki ayto shohoj?
Sharmila
sayan bhattacharyya
Arnab Gupta <GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>Actually, I think that the Indiana Jones movies actually poke fun,
>>in a self-reflexive way, at the genre to which they themselves
>>belong. The excesses in the films are of a tongue-in-cheek kind,
>>meant to poke fun in a good-humored way at the genre, and mutatis
>>mutandis, at themselves, even. This reflexive tendency, of course,
>>is carried another step further in Tarantino, who in "Pulp Fiction"
>>makes fun of the pulp fiction / pulp movie genre in a quite obvious
>>way.
>>
>
>Tumi ki boltey chaichho je Spielberg eta mathai rekhey Indiana
>Jones tulechhen ?
Yes, I think it was conscious.
>Aykta proshno: `Indiana Jones'ke jodi eibhabey dyakha jai, taholey
>je kono hindi chhobikeo ayki chokhey dekhtey tumi raaji to ?
"Je kono" Hindi chhobi-ke noy, kintu kono kono Hindi chobi-ke oboshyo-i
eibhabe dekha jay | In particular, I am thinking of a recent (1994) film
called "Mohra". I found to be very intelligent in its use of self-reference
at the beginning of the movie (the point where the credits are flashing
by on the screen. Another example of this kind of reflexivity is that
great song (forget the name of the movie) which spoofs _movie songs_ !
The song goes like this "Mere jeevan saathi / pyar die jaa / deewani
jowani / etc), a wonderfully self-referential way in which the movie
invokes and spoofs past movies and the entire Bombay film genre.
>>Are there examples of this kind of self-irony in Bengali films?
>>I can't think of any.
>
>Jodi boli `Sagarika pokes fun at the way medical students daydream
>about life beyond Materia Medica (sp ?)', taholey apotti achhe ?
I was talking about SELF-IRONY, not IRONY. What is self-ironic or
even reflexive and self-referential about the example you mention?
Kalpataru Barman
Rajiv Shukla wrote:
> >Bangali hero, ebang bhalo actor -- dujan ke money porchhey --
> >Chhabi Biswas ebang Saumitra . Oi Kabuliwala baa "Koni" ekabarey
> >anabadya.
>
> "Kabuliwala" r moddhye je tuku bhalo laga r acche seta Rabindranath r credit,
Cinematic credit ta to Tapan Sinha aar Chhabi Biswas ke deoa uchit.
Naaki, je keu kabuliwala-r role ta korley , baa je keu director holei
, Rabindranath-er galpo bhalo cinema hoey jai.
> Chhabi Biswas r nai, in fact amar dharona cinema te na eshe gram e >jatra korle Chaabi Biswas nijer proti su bichar korten ;-)
In fact, aneke-i to jatra-te esechhilen, jemon Supriya Devi.
> Are Soumitra! Kyabla mi te kono prize thakle oboshyoi seta onar paona.
>
> Rajiv
Romantic Hero hisebe hoito erokom laagte paarey, kintu abhinoi-ta
chamatkar koren.
Kalpataru Barman
c0ba...@capella.physics.louisville.edu wrote:
> > Tom Cruise `Rainman'-e chhoto bhumikay besh bhalo obhinoy korechhilen.
> > Mushkil holo Dustin Hoffman aar `Rainman'er choritro-tar chapey khub
> > aykta chokhey porey na tNar obhinoy.
>
> Shotti ki Tom Cruise chokhe poDenni? Dustin Hoffman-er choritro-tayi
> chilo akta uncommon choritro. Shekhane Cruise-er choritro-ta
> roj dekha jaye amon choritro. Ato shabhabik legechhe je alada kore
> obhinoy korchhen mone hoyeni. Isn't that reflecting reality more
> and hence good potrayal?
>
"A few good mem" chhobbi te kintu Tom Cruise khaarap koren ni, jodio
Jack Nicholson er abhnoi bhola jai naa.
sayan bhattacharyya
Arnab Gupta <GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Indiana Jones thik fantasy howar cheshtao korena - aajgubi maal-ke
>realistically dyakhabar cheshta bola jetey paare. Amar `adibhoutik'
>kothata byabohaar hoito bhul hoyechhilo. Aajgoobi jinish-ke
>shilposhommoto bhabey byabohaar korata besh kothin. `Indiana Jones'
>dekhley `obishwash'i hoy shudhu, jemon `superman'-e hoy, taar beshi
>kichhu noy.
Actually, I think that the Indiana Jones movies actually poke fun,
in a self-reflexive way, at the genre to which they themselves
belong. The excesses in the films are of a tongue-in-cheek kind,
meant to poke fun in a good-humored way at the genre, and mutatis
mutandis, at themselves, even. This reflexive tendency, of course,
is carried another step further in Tarantino, who in "Pulp Fiction"
makes fun of the pulp fiction / pulp movie genre in a quite obvious
way.
Are there examples of this kind of self-irony in Bengali films?
Indrani DasGupta
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
> I completely agree with your analysis. Tobe ki jaanen, obhineta'r nijer ki uchit noi, nije'r ei chaaNch theke
> nijeke bar kore, sorboda notun bhabe prochesta korar? Rajesh Khanna, chakor shajleo ghaaD benkiye
> kotha bole (Bawaarchi) aabar artist shajleo (Mere Jeevan Saathi; Sagar); Uttam o kichuta tai; shei kalo
> mota frame'er chosma'r pechon theke.." maane, bujhlen, aami na, maane, thik...". Ashol jhaaD ta
> kheyechilo Nayak e shei "probeen obhineta'r" kaach theke; mone aache: "eta ki swogotorthi na Hollywood
> style; beeD-beeD korcho keno....". Sometimes I think it was Ray's idea to include that monologue
> purposely to explain something to the already well-established Uttam! :-)
Kintu Joydeep, por-e Uttam-er "reaction"-ta tomar mon-e achhe? Don't you
think that he was proved right?
Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> > Kintu eta-o thhik je amader desh-e (bishesh kore hindi chhobi-te) bhalo
> > director aar scriptwriter (reality-based) durlobh. Rajesh Khanna-ke amaar
> > chhotobela-y "hebby" lagto. Kano? Bhalo dekhte bole? "Smart" bole? Akhon
> > mon-e hoy ... thak sheta aar nai-i ba bollam. Obhinoy khomota Rajesh-er
> > kom-i chhilo, Amitabh-er tulona-y. Kintu akdin Rajesh-er akta chhobi aami
> > aar bhai akrokom hothat kore-i dekhe phelechhilam - Ittefaq - keu
> > dekhechhen? This was a Rajesh different from all the others.
>
> mannerisms baad diye-i obhinoi chhilo.
Aar akta bolo...how about "Aaj Ka MLA" ? :)
> >
> > Tobe Amitabh was no great shakes, either. Akta kotha amaar barbar mon-e
> > hoy, Jaya na thakle aamra ki Amitabh-er theke o-r je-koti "dyakhbar moto"
> > chhobi aachhe, ta petam?
>
> Indrani, khub kharaap hoye jaabe bole dichchi!
Ki korbe? Shedin shunlaam Amitabh akhon Pathmark-e o-r meye-r jonnyo
aalu kinchhe. Haay re kopaal! :)
>
> Sharmila
Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
Srabani dibbyi khNochachchhe:
> Indrani likhechhe:
>
> >> >Shagorika-i bodhoi pNach set gaan chhilo.
> >> >
> >> >1. Amra Medical Collegei poDi
> >> >2. Shopne dyakha raajkonya
> >> >3. Prothom line mone nei..dwitio line: "ei maya raat shudhu tomar amar.."
> >> >4. Shopne bhora dinguli mor jai bheshey
> >> >5. Hridoy amar shundoro tobo pai
> >>
> >> Sheki re?! `Tobo bijoy mukut...' bhule geli? E-desh-e eli keno
> >> tahole?
>
> >:) Maane shei Namita Sinha of the nightmarish khon-khon-e gola-r aadur-e
> >shombhason?
>
> Jai bol, tor Suchitra-r chaite nyakami-ta kom-i korto. :)
Kintu haaD-jwalane pakami-te tor Namita-ke hara-y kaar shaddhyi?
>
> >Onar lip-e chhilo e gaan-ta?
>
> khepechhish? oi gaan heroine chhaDa keu gaite paare?
Kintu ta'le "shwopne dyakha rajkonya"-ta ke? Ondho hoye na phirle "shaat
shagor/tero nodee-r paar-e" ki hoye jeto ke jaane!
> >Bhule gechhi?
>
> :) Kaake jigesh korchhish eta?
E ma, tui ki obhodro re...ja ta bhaabe aajkal lokjon-er typo dhorchhish!
>
> >Kokhon holo ei gaan-ta?
>
> Oi je, tor UttamKumar bidesh-e giye kishob kando kore phello.
Guru public forum-e eshob bolchho, amaar ki-i ba kora-r achhe. Tobe
arun chatujjye jodi shottyi-i "amaar" hoto.... :)
>
> Srabani
Indrani.
Kalpataru Barman
Kousik Chakrabarti wrote:
> Borabori obhinoy er sathe chaharer akte tanaporen cholte thake,
> ontyoto nayok hole mohilakula.Kintu Dhritiman abong Hindi cinema er
> jogote Nashirrudin,Om puri abong sorbopori Nana Patekar ter bhul proman
> korechen.IMHO they are simply great.
Idaaning Nana Patekar er obhinoi ekgheyemi aar ati-natokiotai
paripurna. Oi, hotath korey pagoler moto matha nara !
Arnab Gupta
Sayan Bhattacharya wrote:
>>>Actually, I think that the Indiana Jones movies actually poke fun,
>>>in a self-reflexive way, at the genre to which they themselves
>>>belong. The excesses in the films are of a tongue-in-cheek kind,
>>>meant to poke fun in a good-humored way at the genre, and mutatis
>>>mutandis, at themselves, even. This reflexive tendency, of course,
>>>is carried another step further in Tarantino, who in "Pulp Fiction"
>>>makes fun of the pulp fiction / pulp movie genre in a quite obvious
>>>way.
>>>
>>
>>Tumi ki boltey chaichho je Spielberg eta mathai rekhey Indiana
>>Jones tulechhen ?
>
>Yes, I think it was conscious.
>
>>Aykta proshno: `Indiana Jones'ke jodi eibhabey dyakha jai, taholey
>>je kono hindi chhobikeo ayki chokhey dekhtey tumi raaji to ?
>
>"Je kono" Hindi chhobi-ke noy, kintu kono kono Hindi chobi-ke oboshyo-i
>eibhabe dekha jay | In particular, I am thinking of a recent (1994) film
>called "Mohra". I found to be very intelligent in its use of self-reference
>at the beginning of the movie (the point where the credits are flashing
>by on the screen. Another example of this kind of reflexivity is that
>great song (forget the name of the movie) which spoofs _movie songs_ !
>The song goes like this "Mere jeevan saathi / pyar die jaa / deewani
>jowani / etc), a wonderfully self-referential way in which the movie
>invokes and spoofs past movies and the entire Bombay film genre.
>
>
>>>Are there examples of this kind of self-irony in Bengali films?
>>>I can't think of any.
>>
>>Jodi boli `Sagarika pokes fun at the way medical students daydream
>>about life beyond Materia Medica (sp ?)', taholey apotti achhe ?
>
>I was talking about SELF-IRONY, not IRONY. What is self-ironic or
>even reflexive and self-referential about the example you mention?
>
kyano, Sagarika je byaparta niye shetai jotheshto noi ki ? Tomar
`Ek dujey ke liye'r gaanta-r udahoron jodi mene ni `self irony' hishebe,
`Indiana Jones' khuje sherokom kichhu paoa jai na. Dudin ageo
`Raiders of the Lost Ark' dekhlam (lokey bole etai shobcheye bhalo),
dekhtey boshey kokhono to mone hoi na je director khub hashir
shonge byaparta niyechhen. `Ek-dujey-ke-liye'r gaanta dekhley
kintu je keu bujhtey paarbe ota film heroder nokol korar cheshta
dyakhano hochhey. `Indiana Jones' ba `Sagarika' konota dekhtey
boshei ta mone hoina - besh straight-forward bolei to mone
hoi. Tumi je dhoroner chhobi bolchho tar onek bhalo udahoron
borong `Pink Panther' ba `Casino Royal'.
(Aykta kotha - `self-irony' kothata motamuti andaaj kortey parchhi,
kintu `reflexivity'ta ki ? Ar eigulo kibhabey eshechhe `Indiana
Jones'e ? )
Bangla chhobir kotha boltey paarina tobey tumi je dhoroner chhobi
bolchho, Sai Paranjape-er chhobi bodhoi oi gotrey portey paare.
Arnab.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55nqpj$2...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu says...
[...]
>Apni bodhoy `nayok' er udhhriti-ta bhul bhabey byabohaar korlen (jodi amar
>thikthak mone thhake). Oi shooting drishyo-ta chhilo Arindam-er jibon-er
>shurur dikkar, kahinir potobhumika Bonkimi Bangla. Arindam-ke chhobitey
>dyakhano hoyechhe aykjon bhalo natok-er obhineta hishebe. Shey obhinoy
>bojhe, `natural' obhinoy kakey boley ta jaane. Shei karonei shey tokhonkar
>procholito `natukey' obhinoy na korey ja shwabhabik ta korar cheshta
>korey...tar jukti: Bonkim-er jug-e baba-der shamney chheleder matha tuley
>uNuchu shworey kotha bolata rewaj chhilona. Erporey amra abar background-e
>Arindam-er kotha shuntey pai, Aditi-ke shey bolchhe je aykghor loker
>shamney takey opomaan korlen bhodrolok, kintu shey nishchoi janey je
>shey jeta korchhilo shetai thik, onar-ta na, karon ota ochol.
>
>Karor kachhe `Nayak'er `script' achhe ki ? Sheta dekhley byaparta
>hoito aro porishkaar hotey paare.
>
>Thanks,
>Arnab.
Arnab:
Apni thiki bolchen; i.e scene ta thik-thak recollect korchen. Ebar oi scene tar theke beriye baiyer'rer
duniya'ye ashun. Eta to thik je Nayak korar shomoi Uttam bodo "nayak" nijei! Ebar film'e phire jaan, ebong
shei probeen obhineta'r dialogue gulo follow korun. Uni ki kichu bhool bolchen? Ulte Arindam bolche je
.."onr obhinoyer style ta bhool, aajker deene ocho"; kintu audience ki Arindam'er sathe ek mot? Isn't
Arindam actually guilty of all the things this probeen abhineta character is talking about? And in reality,
wasn't Uttam (the man, not Arindam the character) guilty of the same? Uttam nije dialogue bolar shomoi
beeD-beeD korto ki korto na? Bujhte parchen, ki bolchi? Nije je khoob clear noi ta manchi.
--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Joydeep Bhattacharya
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55nqqm$2...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu says...
[...]
>
>Ami puro aykmot. Bangla chhobitey ei `supporting actor/actress' der obhinoy
>chirokaali amar khub uNuchusrenir mone hoi. Amar aykshomoi khub mone hoto
>je obhinoy-er bishesh bishesh shakha-ke jodi alada korey dhori taholey
>Bangla chhobir shobcheye `enriched' shakha tothakothito `koutukabhinoy'.
>Johor-Bhanu-Nripoti-Shyam Laha-Tulsi Chokroborti-Robi Ghosh-Chinmoy...
>aykta besh boro tradition bola jai.
>
>Arnab.
>
Very true; tobe eto boDo boDo loke der shonge apni Chinmoy ke shesh porjonto dhokalen? :-) Tai bole
Chinmoy! Nripoti amaar favorite; orokhom golar awaaj.. shei kon ekta cinema te chilo na.. "boudi muni
bollen, ore Modon.." (Uttam-Suchitra'r boi; 74.5 mone hoye!)
>pu: Apni ki pather pNachali-r Tulsi Chakroborti-r kotha boltey chaichhilen ?
Na, Apu'r Baba'r je paat ta korechilen; ki nam jeno bhodrolok'er. Aarek jon je besh bhalo laage; Jana
Arnaya te jini protagonist'er baba shejechilen. Those were the days when Dipankar Dey could act!
-- Joydeep
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <55o2hv$9...@news.eecs.umich.edu>, bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu says...
[...]
>Are there examples of this kind of self-irony in Bengali films?
>I can't think of any.
Would Jalsaghar be such an example? I am not claiming here that I understand what you mean by
self-referential-irony.
Joydeep
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <327FB4...@egr.uri.edu>, chak...@egr.uri.edu says...
>
[...]
> Joydeep babu r daye parshochoritrer talikey akte nam na jure parlem
>na- "Dhrtiman Chattopadhyay".Utpal Dutta akjon obhinate non,akte
>motamoti institution.Say lok "Aguntuk" e Dhritiman er samne kamon
>chobi.Oituku someya du:dardantyo.
>
[....]
Oporer para ta thik clear holo na.
Apni ki bolchen Utpal Dutta ekjon mohan obhineta? I agree but not entirely; we have seen tons of
"overacting" and "mannerisms" from him (a zillion Hindi films in which he acted are good examples of that).
Even in Hirok Rajar Deshe IMHO.
I agree with you entirely that Dhritiman is a superb actor. Very few Bengali actors have a clearer diction
than him.
Joydeep
Arnab Gupta
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
>>Ami puro aykmot. Bangla chhobitey ei `supporting actor/actress' der obhinoy
>>chirokaali amar khub uNuchusrenir mone hoi. Amar aykshomoi khub mone hoto
>>je obhinoy-er bishesh bishesh shakha-ke jodi alada korey dhori taholey
>>Bangla chhobir shobcheye `enriched' shakha tothakothito `koutukabhinoy'.
>>Johor-Bhanu-Nripoti-Shyam Laha-Tulsi Chokroborti-Robi Ghosh-Chinmoy...
>>aykta besh boro tradition bola jai.
>>
>
>Chinmoy! Nripoti amaar favorite; orokhom golar awaaj.. shei kon ekta cinema te chilo na.. "boudi muni
>bollen, ore Modon.." (Uttam-Suchitra'r boi; 74.5 mone hoye!)
>
Amar kyano jyano Chinmoy-er naam-ta lekhar shomoiei mone hoyechhilo
ei kothata shuntey hobe. Eta thik Chinmoy bohu chhobitey chhyablamo
korechhen, kintu uni je bhalo obhinoy kortey paaren Gu-Ga-Ba-Ba
dekhley shetatey kono shondeho thhake na. Amar shei drishhota
mone pore khali: Montrimoshai jokhon guptochor (chinmoy)-ke jiggesh
korchhen Shundir jodi haati, ghora ityadi na thhakey taholey achhe
ta ki ? Chinmoy uttor dyai shekhaney khetey phoshol achhe, gachhe
pakhi achhe ityadi. Puro shonglap-ta onobodyo hoye othey taar
obhinoy-er guney.
>>pu: Apni ki pather pNachali-r Tulsi Chakroborti-r kotha boltey chaichhilen ?
>
>Na, Apu'r Baba'r je paat ta korechilen; ki nam jeno bhodrolok'er. Aarek jon je besh bhalo laage; Jana
>Arnaya te jini protagonist'er baba shejechilen. Those were the days when Dipankar Dey could act!
Apu-r baba bhumikatey obhinoy korechhilen Kanu Bondopaddhyay. Aar Jana Aranyer
je choritrotar kotha bolchhen tatey Satya Bandopaddhyay chhilen botey.
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
..[deleted]..
>Arnab:
>
>Apni thiki bolchen; i.e scene ta thik-thak recollect korchen. Ebar oi scene tar
>
theke beriye baiyer'rer
>duniya'ye ashun. Eta to thik je Nayak korar shomoi Uttam bodo "nayak" nijei! Eba
>
r film'e phire jaan, ebong
>shei probeen obhineta'r dialogue gulo follow korun. Uni ki kichu bhool bolchen?
>
Ulte Arindam bolche je
>.."onr obhinoyer style ta bhool, aajker deene ocho"; kintu audience ki Arindam'e
>
r sathe ek mot? Isn't
>Arindam actually guilty of all the things this probeen abhineta character is tal
>
king about? And in reality,
>wasn't Uttam (the man, not Arindam the character) guilty of the same? Uttam nije
>
dialogue bolar shomoi
>beeD-beeD korto ki korto na? Bujhte parchen, ki bolchi? Nije je khoob clear noi
>
ta manchi.
--
Amar kintu mone hoyechhilo je ultota shotyo. Oi ager juger obhineta jatrar
ba natok-er obhinoy-er shonge cinema-r obhinoy guliye phelechhen, tai
Uttamkumar-ke joD ditey bolchhen aymon aykta jaigai jekhaney oi joD-ta
porar kotha noi (karon-ta bolao hoyechhe : je juger kotha hochhey
shey jug-e baba-r shambe chhelera uNchu golai o bhabey kotha boltona).
Ekhaney `aajker diney ochol' boltey `natukey obhinoy aajker diney
ochol' bola hoyechhe bolei amar dharona.
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Amar editor-ta otyonto beyaDa. Kaaj chalatey hoi khubi
koshtey. Joydeep-er uttor ditey giye bodhoi besh kichhu
editor krito khamkheyali byaparshyapar dhukey porechhe.
(ontoto ami tai dekhtey pachhi). Oshubidha holey du:khito.
Arnab.
Rajiv Shukla
In article <327F0...@fyiowa.infi.net> ka...@fyiowa.infi.net writes:
>Kousik Chakrabarti wrote:
>
>> Borabori obhinoy er sathe chaharer akte tanaporen cholte thake,
>> ontyoto nayok hole mohilakula.Kintu Dhritiman abong Hindi cinema er
>> jogote Nashirrudin,Om puri abong sorbopori Nana Patekar ter bhul proman
>> korechen.IMHO they are simply great.
>
No, they are not!, IMO Dhritiman is not that bad, with all the obvious
shortcomings that he has, he's OK but Nana Patekar is too stereotypical, the
first movie of Patekar that I saw was "paarinda", Patekar made history in
overacting and histrionics. In 90% of the cases I can tell you what Patekar
is going to say, how's is going to behave etc. etc., I hope that's not to be
considered a part of one's greatness. I am sick of Om Puri, initially he seemed
natural but soon he turned out to be boring, stereotypical as well, I am sick
of his nasal voice, lack of personality and monotonous mannerisms.
Come to think of Nasiruddin almost the same applies.
Rajiv
--
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Rajiv Shukla My opinions are mine.
ra...@ctt.bellcore.com I don't speak for my
Bell Communications Research employer.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> Srabani dibbyi khNochachchhe:
[...]
> > Oi je, tor UttamKumar bidesh-e giye kishob kando kore phello.
>
> Guru public forum-e eshob bolchho, amaar ki-i ba kora-r achhe. Tobe
> arun chatujjye jodi shottyi-i "amaar" hoto.... :)
Ahem...shei Utuda-r `bishesh expression'-er jobaab dile naato?
>
> >
> > Srabani
>
> Indrani.
Kousik Chakrabarti
Rajiv Shukla wrote:
> No, they are not!, IMO Dhritiman is not that bad, with all the obvious
> shortcomings that he has, he's OK but Nana Patekar is too >stereotypical, the first movie of Patekar that I saw was "paarinda", >Patekar made history in overacting and histrionics. In 90% of the cases >I can tell you what Patekar is going to say, how's is going to behave >etc. etc., I hope that's not to be considered a part of one's >greatness. I am sick of Om Puri, initially he seemed
> natural but soon he turned out to be boring, stereotypical as well, I >am sick of his nasal voice, lack of personality and monotonous >mannerisms. Come to think of Nasiruddin almost the same applies.
>
> Rajiv
>
It is always good to have difference in opinion.But I feel that you
could not get what I wanted to point.
In a world where glamour and showmanship is the first and the last
impression, these guys are running an unfair race.Speaking of
stereotype, who in Bollywood film industry has the guts still today to
come out of his image and perform as a multifaceted actor.The recent so
called "antihero" trend is another boaring example of that.But when you
don't have good looks, you have to have something to make a mark and
those guys made it by acting by whatever little chance they got.I think
you are aware of the fact that there is a dialogue writer in any
movie.Sadly enough he/she is driven by the same image flow.That is the
reason why you can figure out what Patekar wants to say.It is no way
Patekar's fault. The so called elite as well as illiterate viewers pay
little damn to acting- except of course a handful.So the director is
forced to produce commercial movies where he has to mix certain cheap
stuffs which you and I are well aware of.
The similiar logic goes even in the sportsworld.A bowler has to put
extra effort to get the man-of-the-match award where batsman is an
obvious choice.Similiarly,Franko Baresi may be the captain of the
Italian team and world's best defender,but Gianuko Vialle or Roberto
Baggio will always be in the spotlight not only because they are good
looking but they are the scorers in the team.So Baresi has to be
extra-ordinary to really become famous and get recognition.The example
goes on and on.
~Kousik.
Srabani Banerjee
Rajiv Shukla writes:
>No, they are not!, IMO Dhritiman is not that bad, with all the obvious
>shortcomings that he has,
Obviously, the shortcomings are not obvious to everybody here. So what
are they?
he's OK but Nana Patekar is too stereotypical, the
>first movie of Patekar that I saw was "paarinda", Patekar made history in
>overacting and histrionics. In 90% of the cases I can tell you what Patekar
>is going to say, how's is going to behave etc. etc., I hope that's not to be
>considered a part of one's greatness.
While I'm not a great admirer of Patekar, I must say, its rather unfair
to hold this predictability against him. He doesn't write the script,
after all. And, while he never came across as a great actor to me, I
do believe he can do a fairly good job under a good director. For
example, `ThoDasa roomani...' Or even `Aaj ka Robin Hood'.
I am sick of Om Puri, initially he seemed
>natural but soon he turned out to be boring, stereotypical as well, I am sick
>of his nasal voice, lack of personality and monotonous mannerisms.
Once again, its not an actors fault if he's typecast. Maybe somebody
should give Puri the idea that he should do something about his voice.
What does `lack of personality' mean in terms of acting ability?
What `monotonous mannerisms' does Om Puri have?
>Come to think of Nasiruddin almost the same applies.
What applies? `Boring and stereotypical'? `Nasal voice'? `lack of
personality'? `Monotonous mannerisms'? Could you be more specific,
please ?
Srabani
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
[..]
Kintu akdin Rajesh-er akta chhobi aami
> > > aar bhai akrokom hothat kore-i dekhe phelechhilam - Ittefaq - keu
> > > dekhechhen? This was a Rajesh different from all the others.
> >
> > Hain dekhechi, shotti-ee bhaalo....how about Safar? Otate mone hoi
> > mannerisms baad diye-i obhinoi chhilo.
>
> Aar akta bolo...how about "Aaj Ka MLA" ? :)
Daakbo ma-ke?? Next time eley kintu aalu-sheddho-bhaat!
>
> > >
> > > Tobe Amitabh was no great shakes, either. Akta kotha amaar barbar mon-e
> > > hoy, Jaya na thakle aamra ki Amitabh-er theke o-r je-koti "dyakhbar moto"
> > > chhobi aachhe, ta petam?
> >
> > Indrani, khub kharaap hoye jaabe bole dichchi!
>
> Ki korbe? Shedin shunlaam Amitabh akhon Pathmark-e o-r meye-r jonnyo
> aalu kinchhe. Haay re kopaal! :)
Aalu khub bhaalo jinish, nehaat onek daam beDe gyache tai..noile ayk
kaale oi kheye-i dibbyie bNeche-borte thaaka jeto! Aby-baby ko agar
bura-bhala kaha, to mujhse bura aur koi nahiN hoga!!
Sharmila
Snehasis Ganguly
: > Kintu eta-o thhik je amader desh-e (bishesh kore hindi chhobi-te) bhalo
: > director aar scriptwriter (reality-based) durlobh. Rajesh Khanna-ke amaar
: > chhotobela-y "hebby" lagto. Kano? Bhalo dekhte bole? "Smart" bole? Akhon
: > mon-e hoy ... thak sheta aar nai-i ba bollam. Obhinoy khomota Rajesh-er
: > kom-i chhilo, Amitabh-er tulona-y. Kintu akdin Rajesh-er akta chhobi aami
: > aar bhai akrokom hothat kore-i dekhe phelechhilam - Ittefaq - keu
: > dekhechhen? This was a Rajesh different from all the others.
: Hain dekhechi, shotti-ee bhaalo....how about Safar? Otate mone hoi
: mannerisms baad diye-i obhinoi chhilo.
Indranidi,
tomar haathi mere saathi kemon laage, bolle nato?
Ittefaq amio dekhechi, besh bhalo to |
Tobe keena "Baandish" er moton bore boi to aache|
Tobe Guru'r Disco Dancer-ete Rajeshdaar paarta
heavvy chilo mairi :-)
: >
: > Tobe Amitabh was no great shakes, either. Akta kotha amaar barbar mon-e
: > hoy, Jaya na thakle aamra ki Amitabh-er theke o-r je-koti "dyakhbar moto"
: > chhobi aachhe, ta petam?
Indranidir matha kharap hoey geche; "hum" ta bhule
gele naaki, "Coolie","Deewar", "Janjeer" egulo
ki bhola jai?
Aare Eiyshob cinema dekhe desher lokera swapno
jogote thek 3/4 ghonta 3/4 taakr binimoy;eta ki
kom kotha holo?
Dhur Richard Gere,Mel Gibson dhare kaacheo aashena|
Except, National Geographic-er Chimpanzee ra;-)
: Indrani, khub kharaap hoye jaabe bole dichchi!
: Sharmila
--
India-monsoon and marigold, dung and dust, colors and corpses ,
smoke and ash, snow and endless myth- is a cruel, unrelenting
place of ineffable sweetness. It is the most difficult and most
rewarding of places to travel.
-James O'Reilly
Srabani Banerjee
Indrani likhechhe:
>Srabani dibbyi khNochachchhe:
Thik achhe, tor arekta gNatta paona holo.
>> >:) Maane shei Namita Sinha of the nightmarish khon-khon-e gola-r aadur-e
>> >shombhason?
>>
>> Jai bol, tor Suchitra-r chaite nyakami-ta kom-i korto. :)
>
>Kintu haaD-jwalane pakami-te tor Namita-ke hara-y kaar shaddhyi?
Amar??? Jabbaba! naam-tai monet chhilo na, tui monet koriye dili.
>> >Onar lip-e chhilo e gaan-ta?
>>
>> khepechhish? oi gaan heroine chhaDa keu gaite paare?
>
>Kintu ta'le "shwopne dyakha rajkonya"-ta ke?
Depends. Kaar shopne dekha?
Ondho hoye na phirle "shaat
>shagor/tero nodee-r paar-e" ki hoye jeto ke jaane!
>
>> >Bhule gechhi?
>>
>> :) Kaake jigesh korchhish eta?
>
>E ma, tui ki obhodro re...ja ta bhaabe aajkal lokjon-er typo dhorchhish!
heh...heh...heh...gurumara bidye hoye gyalo?
>> >Kokhon holo ei gaan-ta?
>>
>> Oi je, tor UttamKumar bidesh-e giye kishob kando kore phello.
>
>Guru public forum-e eshob bolchho,
Ki shob?
amaar ki-i ba kora-r achhe. Tobe
>arun chatujjye jodi shottyi-i "amaar" hoto.... :)
Aei! Maa-ke bole debo?
Srabani
sidd
Rajiv Shukla <ra...@ctt.bellcore.com> wrote in article
<55q3s8$4...@athos.cc.bellcore.com>...
> In article <327F0...@fyiowa.infi.net> ka...@fyiowa.infi.net writes:
> >Kousik Chakrabarti wrote:
> >
> >> Borabori obhinoy er sathe chaharer akte tanaporen cholte thake,
> >> ontyoto nayok hole mohilakula.Kintu Dhritiman abong Hindi cinema er
> >> jogote Nashirrudin,Om puri abong sorbopori Nana Patekar ter bhul
proman
> >> korechen.IMHO they are simply great.
> >
>
> No, they are not!,
Hear, hear!! Even in such "exalted" company, Dhritiman's got to be the
worst.
Mentioning him in the same breath as Uttam and Soumitra ( whatever phase
or type of role etc is immaterial) is laughable.