scb-r mrityu: karon o protishedh

[Indranil]

scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r prodhan karon niyomito
shodhoshyoder nirlojjo o oporishim ortholipsha. scb-r
shesh bekar shodoshyo chhilam ami. 1997 shaler october
mashe peTer daye amake ekTi tothakothito chakrir shoron
nite hoy. ei chakri-te Dhokar por amar shomosto shukh
o boibhob noshhTo hoyechhe. tobe bekar-der
aj prithibite je obohelar chokhe dekha hoy ta shojhyo korte
parbo na bole dNate dNat chepe poRe achhi.

scb-r onyo niyomito shodoshyoder golpo er cheyeo nongra.
she golpo ar bhenge bolar dorkar nei. jodi amader keu keu
chakri chheRe ontoto kichhudin puro-din scb-r sheba korto
tahole scb bNeche jete parto. kintu Chaitali Basu ki tNar
moTa mainer chakri chhaRben? Sharmila Mukherjee bole arek
ortholipshu shodoshyar kotha aj mone poRe. uni ichchhe korlei
chakri chhaRte paren. Indrani Dasgupta ekshonge pNach chhoTa
chakri kibhabe jani kore gini-r boi-te uThbar cheshhTa kore
jachchhen. onyanyo elebele shodoshyora-o chhoTo boRo iNdur douRe
ongsho niye kritartho. scb-r jonyo shobuj note-er maya
tyaag korte parbe amon gNoyar shojjon ami kauke dekhchhi na.
ekmatro byetikrom Sayan. kintu tar to matha-i kharap....

ei til til mrityur cheye shommanjonok bikolpo hishebe
scb-ke ak kop-e tule-i deoya jay kina e niye protishThata shodoshyo
hishebe ami dinraat bhebechhi. Apratim Sarkar-er shonge
poramorsho korar ichchhe chhilo. kintu Apratim phaTkar bajare
minute-e hajar dollar hare-jete. tar shonge dekha korte gele
slip diye baire opekhkha korte hoy. durjone bole Apratim
notun dollar-er gochha haate niye bathroom-e jay.

ami scb-r shesh bekar shodoshyo. shoubhagyoboshoto ami
abar bekar hobo amon shombhabona dekha jachchhe. amar bou
agami shombar theke bekar hobe. amar maa bohudin kendriyo
shorkare chakri kore akhon oboshorprapto-bekar. amar meshomoshai
bekar. shoshur-moshai ordho-bekar. dui shyalika bekar. mama-mami
bekar. jotodur jani amar ak jyaThtuto dada goto kuRi bochhor
dhore cinemar line-e theke-o bekar. bondhura keu keu bekar.
bandhobira pray shokolei bekar. amar didi bekar. toshyo putro
amar shaat bochhorer bhagne - she-o bekar (jodio je kono din
rickshaw-chalok hoye jabe bole bhoy dekhiye rekhechhe). amar
shashuRi bekar. dui mash-shahuRi ajibon bekar. amar dada-shoshur-o
bekar, jodio tini nijei ta akhono janen na. roj shokale giye dispensary
khule boshe thaken. "rugi" bhaRa kore paThano hoy. amar talui moshai
o tNar stree shei shottorer bekar-bhata-chai doshok theke bekar.
amar baghaRe shorkari ukil jeThur ek dordonDo-protap guru chhilen.
poshchim-bongo shorkar deulia hobar por akhon guru shishyo ubhoye-i
bekar. ami jokhon edeshe ashi tokhon amader dillir baRir protibeshini
meyeTi kheTekhuTe madhyomik dichchhilo. akhon jenechhi she-o bekar.
amar bondhu Bhaswar-er puro poribar-Ta-i dillir bonedi-bekar. tobe
tader kukur badsha-r ekTa chakri achhe. choRai taRay.

eshob bolchhi ekTi shamanyo shotyo protisthapito korar jonyo.
amar jogot prodhanoto bekarotwer jogot. kibhabe jyano, groher
pher-i hobe, ami jedike takachchhi deshTa bekar hoye jachchhe.
kichhukichhu byetikrom bad dile (jyamon amar mamato didi
deradune ekTi pNauruTi banabar bakery khulechhilen, kintu
pNauruTir formulaTa lagchhilo na bole chalate paren ni - akhon
tini o tNar pahaRi baker dujone-i bekar).

bekar-der modhye ekTa
shotyi kotha bolar probonota thake. jNara scb-ke upuR kore
phele piThe pa diye krittim shwas-proshwash chalabar cheshhTa
korchhen tNader uddeshyo kore-i bola. oshobe kichhu hobe na.
morar age duTo korun deergho shwash uThte pare. scb-ke bNachate
hole amar meshomoshai-ke niye ashte hobe. amar shahuRi-ke. didi,
bhagne-ke. dui mash-shahuRi (tNader ogunti poshyo achhe, bola
bahulyo shokolei bekar), jeThu, jeThur gurumoshai, amar shotadhik
bandhobider, shoshur o dadashoshur (dadashoshur tNar "rugi"der phele
ashben na shutorang tader-o bhara kore ante hobe), shoshtrik talui
moshai-ke, shei dhynaga panjabi poRua poRoshinike, mamato didi ar tNar
baker pahaRi chakor -ke (she jodi ontoto edeshe eshe pNauruTi
banabar koushol-Ta ropto korte pare), ma-ke, Bhaswar-er puro
poribar-ke to boTe-i ebong oboshyo-i amar moharothi shyalikadwoy-ke.
eNder shobai-ke jodi haate paaye dhore edeshe
anano jay, jodi markin shorkar eNder apyayon kore rakhar ekTa
byabostha kore dyan, tahole scb bNachleo bNeche jete pare.

ei holo modda kotha. haa-hutaash kore kono phol hobe na. band-width
noshhTo. apnara borong shobai mile ekoda secretary of state James Baker-ke
ekTa chiThi likhun. shohanubhuti-shomponno lok. kichhu senator
dhoradhori korun. scb-r kothaTa guchhiye bolun. ami totokhkhone
dekhchhi purono bandhobider telephone-e paoya jay kina....

IDG

[Arnab Gupta]

IDG wrote:

>scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r prodhan karon niyomito
>shodhoshyoder nirlojjo o oporishim ortholipsha. scb-r
>shesh bekar shodoshyo chhilam ami.

"Shaala, zada bakta hai"!!!!

Dhop marchho kyano ?

Arnab.

..[deleted]..

[Shoumyo Dasgupta]

Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> IDG wrote:
>

Tomra shobai ekhono bNeche achcho ?

Indranil-er khNocha kheye,

Shoumyo.

[sayan bhattacharyya]

In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:
>
>scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r

Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali
society and culture every day! As Abhijit has himself said,
before his arrival this group was dominated by a handful of
pseudo-seculars like Indranil who throttled all free expression
and had instituted a reign of political correctness. We should
congratulate the trio of Supratik, Abhijit and Jit for
creating a fresher, cleaner brave new s.c.b in which the
chitto is bhoy-shunyo and the shir is uchcho.

-Sayan.

P.S. Insert smileys as necessary.

[Arnab Gupta]

shoumyo-da wrote:

>Tomra shobai ekhono bNeche achcho ?
>

Albat! amra chharpokar jaat naa...jotoi atom-boma phaTao amra
bNeche thhakboi.

jahok..amra SCB-r aykhonkaar regular-der kaachhe otyonto kritogyo..
tNaara je amader duniyaar khoborer kagoj ghNeTe khobor bitoron korey
thhaken (iirshoniyo khomota..kolkataar purono kagoj kenabyachar dokaan
chhaRa eNder shaathey aar keu palla ditey paarbe boley mone hoi na)
tatey amader onek unnoti hoyechhe shondeho nei..agey SCB-r adda onek
shomoi niye nito...sheshob kobey gyaachhe...

shobhab jai naa male...ki aar koraa...abar adda-r gondho pachchhi. Koi
Sharmila-di ....kichhu bolo..shashurider latest shomoshyaa-Ta ki ?

Arnab.

[jit]

par...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <6n6alv$127$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,

> bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
> >
> > In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r
> >
>

<snip>

> Jit's recent posts remind me of Badal Sarkar's play 'Khat Mat Kring' - which
> depicts the cockroaches having a field day after the nuclear holocaust,
> singing, 'Manush Manushkey Khat Mat Kring/ Nacho TiRing BiRing/ Nacho TiRing
> BiRing'
>
> - Partha
>

Communist, Imperialist anti-India evil nexus is being exposed.
Days of a weak, meek and subservient India are numbered.
Communists are afraid of a strong India -- since such an India
is against the interests of their masters in Beijing and their
neo-Comrades from Washington DC.

[par...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <6n6alv$127$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
>
> In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r
>

> Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
> Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
> well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali

> society and culture every day [deleted]

I do not know whether personal references are forbidden by the charter, but
the recent massive offensive by Jit is really overwhelming! SCB could survive
Babu Rambadran, Nachiketa/Pran Lal and also the homegrown Supratik, but it
seems that it's not going to survive the Neo-Huns (Jit et al) - Bengal must
be assimilated in the Hindu-Hindi mainstream - difference of opinion must be
branded and barracked - it seems the incarnations of jingoism/fundamentalism
is like an avataar and reincarnates with ever increasing sophistication (at
least from my experience, starting from Babu Rambadran, Nachiketa aka
Pranlal, Jit - it seems there is a method in it, though I may be wrong, I
personally do not mind Supratik who is a kind of comic releif).

Jit's recent posts remind me of Badal Sarkar's play 'Khat Mat Kring' - which
depicts the cockroaches having a field day after the nuclear holocaust,
singing, 'Manush Manushkey Khat Mat Kring/ Nacho TiRing BiRing/ Nacho TiRing
BiRing'

- Partha

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[jit]

Arnab Gupta wrote:

> shoumyo-da wrote:
>
> >Tomra shobai ekhono bNeche achcho ?
> >
>
> Albat! amra chharpokar jaat naa...jotoi atom-boma phaTao amra
> bNeche thhakboi.
>
> jahok..amra SCB-r aykhonkaar regular-der kaachhe otyonto kritogyo..
> tNaara je amader duniyaar khoborer kagoj ghNeTe khobor bitoron korey
> thhaken (iirshoniyo khomota..kolkataar purono kagoj kenabyachar dokaan
> chhaRa eNder shaathey aar keu palla ditey paarbe boley mone hoi na)
> tatey amader onek unnoti hoyechhe shondeho nei..agey SCB-r adda onek
> shomoi niye nito...sheshob kobey gyaachhe...
>

That is why communists dictatorships (like China or exUSSR) wantcontrol
information, news etc. Many times inconvenient news or views
give rise to uncomfortable questions, or make people challenge the world
view manufactured by the communist bosses.
No wonder, communusts prefer limited (and party approved) sources of
news, as that helps them maintain their ideological strangelhold on the
masses.

[jit]

sayan bhattacharyya wrote:

> In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r
>
> Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
> Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
> well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali

> society and culture every day! As Abhijit has himself said,
> before his arrival this group was dominated by a handful of
> pseudo-seculars like Indranil who throttled all free expression
> and had instituted a reign of political correctness. We should
> congratulate the trio of Supratik, Abhijit and Jit for
> creating a fresher, cleaner brave new s.c.b in which the
> chitto is bhoy-shunyo and the shir is uchcho.
>
> -Sayan.
>
> P.S. Insert smileys as necessary.

As I remember correctly, you were one of the posters who sometime
ago were defending the rights of an individual named Sohel Q Khan to
cross-post Iraq related articles on a regular basis in soc.culture.bengali.
However, my posts are related to a country named India and West Bengal
(one of the seats of Bengali culture) I believe is still part of that country
while the other seat of Bengali culture Bangladesh is a next door neighbour.
In fact I notice few people are cross-posting India related articles (culled
from Bangladeshi newspapers) in this august forum.
In view of your past record and prevailing reality, and your lack of criticism
of others there is one conjecture I have as your reason for
criticizing my posts, that is some of them are not exactly supportive of your
political views and your India related agenda.
Tell you what, I have as much freedom of expression as Sohel Q. Khan
or anybody else for that matter, whether you find my posts palatable or not.

[Arindam]

Jit writes:

>That is why communists dictatorships (like China or exUSSR) wantcontrol
>information, news etc. Many times inconvenient news or views
>give rise to uncomfortable questions, or make people challenge the world
>view manufactured by the communist bosses.

[..deleted...]

On the other hand, anyone who differs with Jit or people holding similar views
must be a "communist"? I wonder how Jit interprets "communism"...

-Arindam Basu

[Arnab Gupta]

Jit wrote:

>> shoumyo-da wrote:
>>
>> >Tomra shobai ekhono bNeche achcho ?
>> >
>>
>> Albat! amra chharpokar jaat naa...jotoi atom-boma phaTao amra
>> bNeche thhakboi.
>>
>> jahok..amra SCB-r aykhonkaar regular-der kaachhe otyonto kritogyo..
>> tNaara je amader duniyaar khoborer kagoj ghNeTe khobor bitoron korey
>> thhaken (iirshoniyo khomota..kolkataar purono kagoj kenabyachar dokaan
>> chhaRa eNder shaathey aar keu palla ditey paarbe boley mone hoi na)
>> tatey amader onek unnoti hoyechhe shondeho nei..agey SCB-r adda onek
>> shomoi niye nito...sheshob kobey gyaachhe...
>>
>

>That is why communists dictatorships (like China or exUSSR) wantcontrol
>information, news etc.

taar shonge upore ja likhechhi taar shomporko ki ?

Many times inconvenient news or views
>give rise to uncomfortable questions, or make people challenge the world
>view manufactured by the communist bosses.

>No wonder, communusts prefer limited (and party approved) sources of
>news, as that helps them maintain their ideological strangelhold on the
>masses.
>

I agree with you...kintu relevance-ta bujhlum naa.

India-related discussion-er jonye aykta forum to aachhei
(soc.culture.indian). Regional newsgroup-gulo toiri hoyechhilo
shombhoboto regional cultural/social/political issue-gulo jaate
soc.culture.indian-e haariye naa jaai taar jonye. Apnaaraa jebhabe
India-related *je kono khobor* ekhane post koren sheTa ki
newsgroup facility-r abuse noi ? Byektigotobhabe amar political
discussion-e apotti nei...SCB-r charter modify korey hoito taa
ontorbhukto kora jaai..kintu shei political discussion-er banglar
raajnItir shonge shomporko thhaaka proyojon to, taai naa ? Noito
aar regional newsgroup raakhaa kyano..aykTa soc.culture.indian
to aachhei.

Apnaar ki regional newsgroup raakhaar byapaarTatei apotti aachhe ?

Arnab.

[Srabani Banerjee]

Arindam wrote:

>
> Jit writes:
>
> >That is why communists dictatorships (like China or exUSSR) wantcontrol

> >information, news etc. Many times inconvenient news or views

> >give rise to uncomfortable questions, or make people challenge the world
> >view manufactured by the communist bosses.

> [..deleted...]
>
> On the other hand, anyone who differs with Jit or people holding similar views
> must be a "communist"? I wonder how Jit interprets "communism"...

jaahok ekta kichhu shuru hoychhilo, eNra shetao hijack kore nite chaay
ar apni taate indhon jogachchhen Arindam? dNaRan na, Chaitali elo bole.

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

shob-i to bujhlam - kintu Shubu-babu ki bibaagi holen? recipe cheyeo
onar shaRa paaoa jaay na ajkaal- SCB ar bNachbe ki kore?

Srabani

--------------

Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Jit wrote:
>
> >> shoumyo-da wrote:
> >>
> >> >Tomra shobai ekhono bNeche achcho ?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Albat! amra chharpokar jaat naa...jotoi atom-boma phaTao amra
> >> bNeche thhakboi.
> >>
> >> jahok..amra SCB-r aykhonkaar regular-der kaachhe otyonto kritogyo..
> >> tNaara je amader duniyaar khoborer kagoj ghNeTe khobor bitoron korey
> >> thhaken (iirshoniyo khomota..kolkataar purono kagoj kenabyachar dokaan
> >> chhaRa eNder shaathey aar keu palla ditey paarbe boley mone hoi na)
> >> tatey amader onek unnoti hoyechhe shondeho nei..agey SCB-r adda onek
> >> shomoi niye nito...sheshob kobey gyaachhe...
> >>
> >

> >That is why communists dictatorships (like China or exUSSR) wantcontrol
> >information, news etc.
>

> taar shonge upore ja likhechhi taar shomporko ki ?
>

> Many times inconvenient news or views
> >give rise to uncomfortable questions, or make people challenge the world
> >view manufactured by the communist bosses.

[Supratik Das]

On 28 Jun 1998, sayan bhattacharyya wrote:

> In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:

> >scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r

> Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
> Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
> well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali
> society and culture every day! As Abhijit has himself said,
> before his arrival this group was dominated by a handful of
> pseudo-seculars like Indranil who throttled all free expression
> and had instituted a reign of political correctness. We should
> congratulate the trio of Supratik, Abhijit and Jit for
> creating a fresher, cleaner brave new s.c.b in which the
> chitto is bhoy-shunyo and the shir is uchcho.

Some points:

1) Who is preventing Indranil or any of his friends or your Comrades from
posting? Personally I enjoy Indranil's poetry.

2) I think I, Abhijit, and Jit have distinctly different views from the
general trend of biplobis-on-the-net. I thought you guys were the great
upholders of diversity. A little diversity ain't gonna hurt.

3) There was a general tendency of this biplobis-on-the-net variety to
bully opponents out of the newsgroups. I think the three of us have rather
successfully staved off that move. We may have gained a little
unpopularity and a whole lot of threats from amongst the biplobis but the
biplobis must understand that this is not one of the various institutes of
Bengal, where the biplobis throttle all opposing views.

4) Bengali culture is not an isolated entity, specially the political and
social ones. I do not recall having this group only for discussing poetry.

[Supratik Das]

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 par...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <6n6alv$127$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
> bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:

> > In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:

> > Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
> > Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
> > well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali

> > society and culture every day [deleted]

> I do not know whether personal references are forbidden by the charter, but
> the recent massive offensive by Jit is really overwhelming! SCB could survive
> Babu Rambadran, Nachiketa/Pran Lal and also the homegrown Supratik, but it
> seems that it's not going to survive the Neo-Huns (Jit et al) - Bengal must
> be assimilated in the Hindu-Hindi mainstream - difference of opinion must be

I fear Jit is also a Bengali!! -:)

Jit, correct me if I am wrong.

> personally do not mind Supratik who is a kind of comic releif).

I am always happy to bring pleasure to Comrade Partha.

> Jit's recent posts remind me of Badal Sarkar's play 'Khat Mat Kring' - which
> depicts the cockroaches having a field day after the nuclear holocaust,
> singing, 'Manush Manushkey Khat Mat Kring/ Nacho TiRing BiRing/ Nacho TiRing
> BiRing'

A little info ain't gonna hurt. Whats your problem guys? All Jit seems to
be doing is post cuttings from various papers/magazines.

You Red fascists are really short on tolerance.

[Alam Khorshed]

Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:

> >
> > IDG wrote:
> >
>
> Tomra shobai ekhono bNeche achcho ?
>

> Indranil-er khNocha kheye,
>
> Shoumyo.

tumio be(n)che aachho naaki?

Alam

[chai...@hotmail.com]

In article <6n6jmn$k4a$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) wrote:

> shobhab jai naa male...ki aar koraa...abar adda-r gondho pachchhi. Koi
> Sharmila-di ....kichhu bolo..shashurider latest shomoshyaa-Ta ki ?

hNya hNya, Sharmila, please janogon-er onurodh-e abaar akta shashurider
problem ba onno je karur problem niye thread shuru kor. Noeto abaar akta
bhalo gaan-er thread shuru karo/korun keu. Notun bangla ba Hindi gaan, athoba
galpo niye lekho/likhun keu, please.

Chaitali

[chai...@hotmail.com]

In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>,
dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil) wrote:

> scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r prodhan karon niyomito
> shodhoshyoder nirlojjo o oporishim ortholipsha. scb-r
> shesh bekar shodoshyo chhilam ami. 1997 shaler october
> mashe peTer daye amake ekTi tothakothito chakrir shoron
> nite hoy. ei chakri-te Dhokar por amar shomosto shukh
> o boibhob noshhTo hoyechhe. tobe bekar-der
> aj prithibite je obohelar chokhe dekha hoy ta shojhyo korte
> parbo na bole dNate dNat chepe poRe achhi.

Chakri peyechhen bolchhen. Abar bolchen dNate dNat chepe pore achhi.
Contradict korchhen kano, nijeke?

>
> scb-r onyo niyomito shodoshyoder golpo er cheyeo nongra.
> she golpo ar bhenge bolar dorkar nei. jodi amader keu keu
> chakri chheRe ontoto kichhudin puro-din scb-r sheba korto
> tahole scb bNeche jete parto. kintu Chaitali Basu ki tNar
> moTa mainer chakri chhaRben?

E kirom Bangale bhadrota..bhai? Maine niye kotha bolte neyi janen na?
Jaihok, apni chakri peye edike eshe gele, ami chakri-ta chere full time
apnader baari giye thakbo. Okhan theke sharadin scb-te likhbo, erom kotha
to hoyeyi achhe.

Sharmila Mukherjee bole arek
> ortholipshu shodoshyar kotha aj mone poRe. uni ichchhe korlei
> chakri chhaRte paren.

Etar maane ki?

Indrani Dasgupta ekshonge pNach chhoTa
> chakri kibhabe jani kore gini-r boi-te uThbar cheshhTa kore
> jachchhen. onyanyo elebele shodoshyora-o chhoTo boRo iNdur douRe
> ongsho niye kritartho. scb-r jonyo shobuj note-er maya
> tyaag korte parbe amon gNoyar shojjon ami kauke dekhchhi na.
> ekmatro byetikrom Sayan. kintu tar to matha-i kharap....

Sayan, apni kamon France beralen, sheyi galpo bolun. Kon kon shahore gelen,
ki ki dekhlen?

> ei til til mrityur cheye shommanjonok bikolpo hishebe
> scb-ke ak kop-e tule-i deoya jay kina e niye protishThata shodoshyo
> hishebe ami dinraat bhebechhi.

Ektu kom bhabun, tate kaaj hobe beshi.

Apratim Sarkar-er shonge
> poramorsho korar ichchhe chhilo. kintu Apratim phaTkar bajare
> minute-e hajar dollar hare-jete. tar shonge dekha korte gele
> slip diye baire opekhkha korte hoy. durjone bole Apratim
> notun dollar-er gochha haate niye bathroom-e jay.

Kano kano, bathroom-e taka niye jaye kano?

[porochur baaje boka, baad diye diyechhi]

[jit]

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:36:28 -0400, Supratik Das <d...@aecom.yu.edu> wrote:

>
>
>
>On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 par...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> In article <6n6alv$127$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
>> bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
>
>> > In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:
>
>> > Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
>> > Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
>> > well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali
>> > society and culture every day [deleted]
>
>
>> I do not know whether personal references are forbidden by the charter, but
>> the recent massive offensive by Jit is really overwhelming! SCB could survive
>> Babu Rambadran, Nachiketa/Pran Lal and also the homegrown Supratik, but it
>> seems that it's not going to survive the Neo-Huns (Jit et al) - Bengal must
>> be assimilated in the Hindu-Hindi mainstream - difference of opinion must be
>
>I fear Jit is also a Bengali!! -:)
>
>Jit, correct me if I am wrong.
>

umm... silence is golden, as AMC movie theater will say...
;-)

Its a typical communist habit of stereotyping people based
on their political views. Communists want to dehumanize their
opponents as that makes it easier for them to silence any
dissent.

>> personally do not mind Supratik who is a kind of comic releif).
>
>I am always happy to bring pleasure to Comrade Partha.
>
>> Jit's recent posts remind me of Badal Sarkar's play 'Khat Mat Kring' - which
>> depicts the cockroaches having a field day after the nuclear holocaust,
>> singing, 'Manush Manushkey Khat Mat Kring/ Nacho TiRing BiRing/ Nacho TiRing
>> BiRing'
>
>
>A little info ain't gonna hurt. Whats your problem guys? All Jit seems to
>be doing is post cuttings from various papers/magazines.
>
>You Red fascists are really short on tolerance.
>

Tell me about it!
I had the opportunity of witnessing communist
tactics up close. They are ruthless opportunist,
their methods are fascist, for them "end justifies
the means".

[Pradip Gangopadhyay]

From: jit <ji...@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: scb-r mrityu: karon o protishedh

Jit wrote:

>As I remember correctly, you were one of the posters who sometime
>ago were defending the rights of an individual named Sohel Q Khan to
>cross-post Iraq related articles on a regular basis in soc.culture.bengali.
>However, my posts are related to a country named India and West Bengal
>(one of the seats of Bengali culture) I believe is still part of that country
>while the other seat of Bengali culture Bangladesh is a next door neighbour.
>In fact I notice few people are cross-posting India related articles (culled
>from Bangladeshi newspapers) in this august forum.
>In view of your past record and prevailing reality, and your lack of criticism
>of others there is one conjecture I have as your reason for
>criticizing my posts, that is some of them are not exactly supportive of your
>political views and your India related agenda.
>Tell you what, I have as much freedom of expression as Sohel Q. Khan
>or anybody else for that matter, whether you find my posts palatable or not.

Jit, carry on the good work. It seems that the loony left is unhappy with the
alternate views put by you and Supratik and want to stop you from posting your
views on the net. This is a standard ploy of the loony left as they are past
masters in suppressing dissent. No body raises any questions when the loony
left flood the newsgroup with their postings. So why should they stop you from
posting in the net?

Just ignore the rantings and ravings of the loony left.

There are many nettors who appreciate your informative postings.

Pradip Gangopadhyay

[mitra]

The 'loony left' may have a point...

And no, I never thought I'd say that.

[Abhijit Mitra]

Totally ignoring Sayans snide remarks, I'd just like to make a few quick points
and be on my way. First of all, I agree (now) with anyone who says that the
quality of the discussion on scb has declined in recent months. I'm still a
relative newbie, especially when compared to most of the participants of this
thread, so I can't exactly say what things were like say, 2 years ago. But I do
know that when I first started actively participating in scb, it was fun. It
was fun because of the diversity - there were your firebrand leftists, your
firebrand rightists, your centre of lefts and your centre of rights. There was
also a small number of neutrals who merely mocked and sneered. It made for a
very interesting bunch of people - which in turn made for some very interesting
conversation. Of course, then something happened. People started dissapearing.
The tilt of the channel gradually became more and more right to the point where
I actually began to miss the word-wringing style of the intellectuals. The same
'ol leftist-bashing, which was okay when there were more of them (leftists) and
less of us (rightists) gradually became tiring and well, boring to be perfectly
frank. But nevertheless, I've learnt a lot from scb. It was quite honestly my
first mass contact with Bengalis straight from Bengal(besides family). And it's
taught me a lot - about Bengal, and much more importantly, about Bengalis. And
for that, it's the "leftists," i.e., the old guard, that I can thank. They've
taught me that to be truly Bengali, it's not enough to have a Bengali last name
or even speak in a pidgin Bangla at home. It's more a way of thinking, an
attitude, a whole culture. A culture which I quite frankly do not belong to,
nor can I. In that sense, I`m not really a Bengali, and I suspect the old guard
realized that before I did - which explains their acerbic reaction. At that
point, I resented it - I resented them for telling me I wasn't who I thought I
was. But people grow, and even though growth comes slow to me (smile), it's
nevertheless happened. No longer do I consider myself 'Bengali' and no longer
do I think of West Bengal as my 'home state.' It's a realization that was long
overdue, and I have this newsgroup, in conjunction with Bengali chat rooms all
over the internet, to thank for it. And no, I'm not whining - I sincerely thank
you all for this from the bottom of my heart.

At this point, an apology is in order - for having a role in screwing up what
was without a doubt the best south asian newsgroup on the net. Yes, it was
leftist - and yes, it was annoyingly coffee house-ish - but whatever it was,
it was better than all the other south asian ngs on the net than and now.

And why, am I making this apology? - Because I don't plan to actively
participate here anymore. My college careers finally coming to an end, I'm
approaching my last semester and I therefore plan to keep myself very busy
for the next few months. Hopefully, in time, the old guard will be back, if
not wholly, then atleast substantially, or even in part. I look forward to
reading many more interesting discussions here in the future.

And in the end, a suggestion. This ng needs to be moderated - I know it and
you know it. Anyone who wants to take on this responsibility, or even arrange
for auto-moderation will have my support, and I'm sure the support of everyone
else. It's either that, or make a new newsgroup - moderated, non-political, for
Bengalis and by Bengalis. You people deserve it and it's time you knew it.

-A.M.

[Indranil]

sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:

: >
: >scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r

: Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like

: Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
: well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali

: society and culture every day! As Abhijit has himself said,

: before his arrival this group was dominated by a handful of
: pseudo-seculars like Indranil who throttled all free expression
: and had instituted a reign of political correctness. We should
: congratulate the trio of Supratik, Abhijit and Jit for
: creating a fresher, cleaner brave new s.c.b in which the
: chitto is bhoy-shunyo and the shir is uchcho.

: -Sayan.

: P.S. Insert smileys as necessary.

reign of political correctness -Ta mondo dao ni.
tomar chakri-bakrir kono scene dekhte pachchho..?

IDG

[Indranil]

Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:

: shobhab jai naa male...ki aar koraa...abar adda-r gondho pachchhi. Koi
: Sharmila-di ....kichhu bolo..shashurider latest shomoshyaa-Ta ki ?

tomar Sharmila-di-r ekadhik shahuRi je hote-i pare eTa onekdin
ashonka korechhilam. kintu nemontonno pai ni bole bhebechhilam
akhono hoy ni.

ekadhik shahuRi hole to kichhu shomoshya hobe-i. jante agrohi
roilam...

IDG

[Indranil]

chai...@hotmail.com wrote:
: In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>,

: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil) wrote:

: Sharmila Mukherjee bole arek

: > ortholipshu shodoshyar kotha aj mone poRe. uni ichchhe korlei
: > chakri chhaRte paren.

: Etar maane ki?

baRite charTe prani. tar tinjone-i full time chakure. what a waste
of spare time...!

: Apratim Sarkar-er shonge

: > poramorsho korar ichchhe chhilo. kintu Apratim phaTkar bajare
: > minute-e hajar dollar hare-jete. tar shonge dekha korte gele
: > slip diye baire opekhkha korte hoy. durjone bole Apratim
: > notun dollar-er gochha haate niye bathroom-e jay.

: Kano kano, bathroom-e taka niye jaye kano?

ekTa kaje lage.

IDG

[Indranil]

Srabani Banerjee (baner...@osu.edu) wrote:
: shob-i to bujhlam - kintu Shubu-babu ki bibaagi holen? recipe cheyeo

: onar shaRa paaoa jaay na ajkaal- SCB ar bNachbe ki kore?

shudhu ki recipe re baba? Shubu chhilen scb-r pran. meyeder
siTi, last tango, golpo-lekho .. koto ki omlomodhur smriti
mone pore gyalo.... shesh shunechhilam kill-file rakhar jonyo
ekTa bookshelf khNujchhen...

chakri peye gyachhen mone hoy...

IDG

PS: kichhu post rohoshyomoybhabe sci-te cross post hoye
gyachhe. CIA korachchhe eshob, ora sci-Ta monitor kore.
sci-r baire kono alochona hote dite chay na.

shabdhan...

[Indranil]

Shoumyo Dasgupta (sho...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Indranil-er khNocha kheye,

...chakri chheRe dilen naki..?

IDG

[par...@soli.inav.net]

In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980629123314.15804E-100000@post>,

Supratik Das <d...@aecom.yu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 par...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <6n6alv$127$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,

> > bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
>
> > > In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu>
wrote:

>
> > > Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
> > > Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
> > > well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali

> > > society and culture every day [deleted]
>
> > I do not know whether personal references are forbidden by the charter, but
> > the recent massive offensive by Jit is really overwhelming! SCB could
survive
> > Babu Rambadran, Nachiketa/Pran Lal and also the homegrown Supratik, but it
> > seems that it's not going to survive the Neo-Huns (Jit et al) - Bengal must
> > be assimilated in the Hindu-Hindi mainstream - difference of opinion must be
>
> I fear Jit is also a Bengali!! -:)

I am also afraid bout that, scary about the Bengalis losing their identity,
because I think Indians are not a nation, whereas Bengalis are - India is a
federal structure based on mutual convenience and possibly some shared
tradition or I would rather say some shared icons ( with varying values
though. Any Indian subscribing to the slogan 'One country, one culture'
scares me and any Bengali subscribing to it scares me more.

>
> Jit, correct me if I am wrong.
>

> > personally do not mind Supratik who is a kind of comic releif).
>
> I am always happy to bring pleasure to Comrade Partha.

>
> > Jit's recent posts remind me of Badal Sarkar's play 'Khat Mat Kring' - which
> > depicts the cockroaches having a field day after the nuclear holocaust,
> > singing, 'Manush Manushkey Khat Mat Kring/ Nacho TiRing BiRing/ Nacho TiRing
> > BiRing'
>
> A little info ain't gonna hurt. Whats your problem guys? All Jit seems to
> be doing is post cuttings from various papers/magazines.
>

Jit's postings are informative, but won't the pointer to the Websites be
enough and secondly it's so repititive (in addition to being badly formatted
most of the times) that it's really a pain. If the articles were Jit's own
creation, the effort would have been laudible, but just getting the same info
which you see in the websites of various Indian magazines and newspapers in
garbage-like format is stressful.

I didn't understand what is so communistic about using a simili from a play by
Badal Sircar ( I never knew Badal Sircar is much accepted by communists of any
hue).

> You Red fascists are really short on tolerance.
>
>

I agree that (Red) Fascists ( I thought that the fascists didn't like the
reds, they tried to eliminate them from their country) - but isn't it a sign
of intolerance that you come up with cliche brandings whenever somebody say
in the most civilzed manner that your way of expressing your opinion is bore.
Till this point of time nobody called you or Jit as agents or touts of BJP
but both of you have started branding right, left and center that
reservations about Jit's posting is a communist conspiracy. If this is not
intolerence then could you say what is?

- Thanks,

Partha

[par...@soli.inav.net]

Abhijit, I do not know of others but I'd miss your posts, they had an air of
freshness about them, may be sometimes naive but was never much boring.

We never did interact (or cross swords/keystrokes?) much in this ng, but I
always read your posts because they were mostly your own creation not a cut
and paste job from news magazines - in fact till very recently Supratik was
also original, but I do not know what had hit him, of late he is also cutting
and pasting a lot.

You claim to learn a lot from this ng - but it seems that you still have some
stereotypes etched in your mind - like intellectual pursuits or visting coffee
house are monopolies of the left, but beleive it or not there are lots of
intellectuals around who are not leftists, but are non-conformists, it is a
coincidence that they agree sometimes with the communists. Secondly, it is
difficult to agree with the rightists (aka Jingoists or Hindutwavadis) because
of their simplistic world view - they ignore the complexities of the society
and those of the human mind.

I think moderation is a bad word - anybody posting in the ngs without hoping
from materially gaining from it, is expected to be capable of self moderation
- any defaulter should usually be taken to task by other nettors, like what
is currently happening here. If the correction process doesn't work then we
have to admit that we are not fit to have our own newsgroup.

Once again, I'd miss you from this ng, but I hope you'd definitely find
sometime to return to this ng in not so distant future.

- Partha

In article <6n9fqc$hjc$1...@romulus.rutgers.edu>,

[sayan bhattacharyya]

In article <6n9ou7$bgs$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <par...@soli.inav.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I do not know whether personal references are forbidden by the charter, but
>> > the recent massive offensive by Jit is really overwhelming! SCB could
>survive
>> > Babu Rambadran, Nachiketa/Pran Lal and also the homegrown Supratik, but it
>> > seems that it's not going to survive the Neo-Huns (Jit et al) - Bengal must
>> > be assimilated in the Hindu-Hindi mainstream - difference of opinion must be
>>
>> I fear Jit is also a Bengali!! -:)
>
>I am also afraid bout that, scary about the Bengalis losing their identity,

Partha has a real issue here. If you read Indranil's post that started this
thread, you realize that the people who started scb and contributed to scb in
its early days are, for the most part, now in their very late twenties and
early thirties. This group of posters, however, has not been replaced
by younger people, even though young Bengalis in their early twenties
(both FOBs and second-generation immigrants) are present in the USA in
large numbers. What conclusion should one draw from this? That for some
reason, younger Bengalis living in the West and with access to the newsgroups
are no longer interested in discussions about Bengali culture, and that
the only people who still retain a vestigeal interest in things Bengali
are old farts like ourselves? If this is true, it could be a dangerous
portent.

[sayan bhattacharyya]

In article <35973BFB...@earthlink.net>, jit <ji...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
>sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>> In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>, Indranil <dgu...@buphy.bu.edu> wrote:
>> >

>> >scb-r ei til-til mrityu-r

>>
>> Indranil is doing a big injustice to scb regulars like
>> Supratik Das, Abhijit Mitra and Jit, who post many
>> well-informed and interesting articles about Bengali

>> society and culture every day! As Abhijit has himself said,
>> before his arrival this group was dominated by a handful of
>> pseudo-seculars like Indranil who throttled all free expression
>> and had instituted a reign of political correctness. We should
>> congratulate the trio of Supratik, Abhijit and Jit for
>> creating a fresher, cleaner brave new s.c.b in which the
>> chitto is bhoy-shunyo and the shir is uchcho.
>>
>> -Sayan.
>>
>> P.S. Insert smileys as necessary.
>

>As I remember correctly, you were one of the posters who sometime
>ago were defending the rights of an individual named Sohel Q Khan to
>cross-post Iraq related articles on a regular basis in soc.culture.bengali.

>Tell you what, I have as much freedom of expression as Sohel Q. Khan

>or anybody else for that matter, whether you find my posts palatable or not.

Strange as it may seem to you, I also defend your _rights_ to post
anything that you want to. I agree with Voltaire, who once said
"I totally disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the
last to defend your right to say it". If you read my post (this
and others) , you will find that never have I demanded that you stop
posting. In the paragraph that you quote above, I was poking fun at your
style and volume of postings (something that, as you will note, I have as
much right to do, on the same free-speech grounds, as you have to
post your own stuff).

[Anindya Ghoshal]

It is rather unfortunate that Mr. Mitra feels this way. It is very difficult
to say what Bengali culture is. One can start from utter lack of any work
culture to dancing to the strains of Rabindra-sangeet (some say it's a misnomer)
in the neighborhood Puja mandal. Some snobbish Bengali would not fail to
point out how "Amercanized or Anglicized" one is, when one mistakenly
spoke some English words amidst a series of Bengali sentences in a conversation.
I still remember, when one of my friends, who owed his allegiance to the
communist party, was lecturing how the Western influence was about to destroy
Bengali culture. I had to point out to him that Communism. for all. I know is
a Western concept. Mr. Bengali Communist was dumbfounded for-a-while!

I still remember, one lousy hot afternoon in early 80s when, I chose to walk to
my Dad's office in that huge building at Bankshall's Street from my school. I
was astonished to see the walls of the office littered with my Dad's name
with slogans like "Soiro_tan_trik .... Nipat Jhao" !! It so happened,
Dad regularly went to office by 9:00 am and was trying to enforce the
10:00-10:30am rule. Anybody coming after that 10:30 am at office would be
marked late! The revolutionary Bengalis started their Biplob!! That to against
somebody who's Confidential Report was marked off by a Congress Union Minister
as a Communist and was transferred to ten different places in less than 5
years in the 60s...I was confounded and of course, Dad was faced with lot
of uncomfortable questions. Of course, Bengali's Biplobiana always baffled me.

Once I went to pick up my cousin from RajaBazar's Chemistry dept. of Univ.
of Calcutta. I was waiting outside this class, which looked more like a
lecture hall. Suddenly a group of people entered the class and the professor
hurriedly left the room. Those people started distributing leaflets and one
of them took to the podium, which the professor hurriedly left in the middle
of the class. The speaker started speaking of how American imperialism
was hell-bent on destroying the leftist movements in El Salvador and how
voting for SFI in the CU student election is going to defeat CIA's machinations
in Salvador and elsewhere in other Third World Countries. I had to wait
another thirty minutes before my cousin could manage
to escape the lecture which was supposedly on Organic Chemistry..The UC's
logo " Advancement of Learning" was such an oxymoron.

Bengali Communism continued to baffle me. More than a decade ago, I was
privileged enough to attend this marriage reception at Jodu Colony in
Jadavpur. Certainly there was nothing exceptional about this house in
this erstwhile refugee colony, excepting that it belonged to the today's topmost
comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our revolutionary
reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks. Low-Behold, it was a marriage
ceremony with all the Hindu marriage customs in its full splendor, with the
much maligned Brahmin Purohit even reciting the slokas and the couple taking their
vows around the fire. The atheist me, never understood the Bengali commie
hypocrisy. For I could never figure out, why the sons of Speaker of Bengal's Assembly
and a State Minister were my school classmates at a Roman Catholic Christian
English medium school when Partho Mitra (then Education Minister) was forcing
Bengali medium schools to forgo teaching their students English at the primary
levels. Well atleast, in the defence of one of them, I can say, his son was more Urdu
speaking...For the late Saroj_Baboo once summed it up nicely: "When the day of revolution
will come, we'll leave all of our luxuries and earthly attachments and join the
people in the Long March".

I never felt at home with the Bangli_ana or as it was claimed to be. For I know
not what it was precisely. Actually it never probably got into my psyche. I was
equally at home participating in Boro-mama's Sarat Sahitya Samiti's work to
traveling to WTC at Bombay just to buy the first copies of Floyd's "Wall" when they
first arrived in India. Don't ask me whether they were legit. copies or not!!
My closest pals in India still happens to be those business class Gujarathi Jain
school classmates who were and are always there for me, thick and thin. Somehow
the ones with Bengali surnames were always in sight in hay days, faded as fast
as soon the dark clouds were beginning to gather at the horizon.

Bengali upper middle class were quite a conservative class during my childhood days.
However, amongst those was one bold friend who asked me out for a date in those
bright seventh grade classes. We walked around those Archie galleries, Kwality's
ice-cream (or was it Ruchira??) parlor, tried to sneak in to see Thirty-Nine Steps.
However, the Modern High or Loreto, Middleton Row or L'Marts girls especially
the non_Bengali ones were more relaxed about the "date
stigma". It was easier to go out with a Khaitan or a D'Souza on anyday than with
a Chakravarty. I still remember, the shocked look on one of my childhood friend's
face when the word "date" dropped in the middle of our engrossed conversation.
She and 'Mashima' probably thought how lowly my morality must have been. Well
that was early and mid 80's in Salt Lake and parts of South Calcutta. Liberalism,
I found, was not a word to be found much to my amazement in the Bengali middle
and upper class society's vocabulary. However I must admit the Probashi Bengalis
of Delhi and Allahabad were much more relaxed in this aspect.

SCB was probably the only good interaction I ever had with the Bengali
community in general barring my relatives. I do not know what cross-section
of the broad Bengali society it may represent, excepting a generalization
that it is more representative of the expatriate Bengalis rather than Bengalees
from Bengal. So my friend Mr. Mitra, do not despair, for I myself know not
what constitute a true Bengali! If you, or anyone, know the answer to the present
quest, do let me know..

rgds,
Anindo.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

[sayan bhattacharyya]

Anindya has got it mostly wrong, because what he describes
as "Bengali culture" is middle-class and upper-middle-class
Bengali culture. It is not representative of all or even most
Bengalis, because most Bengalis do not t belong
to these classes.

If you look numerically at Bengalis, the vast majority live in
villages, not in cities, and, contrary to the lack-of-work-culture
scene that Anindya portrays, most Bengalis live by the sweat of their
brows simply to put bread on the table. The
absence-of-work-culture is something which only the parasitic
rich and some other parasitic classes, such as government employees,
can afford to indulge in.

The Bengali middle and upper classes contain some of the
most horrible specimens of humanity ever known to exist on
the planet. Hypocrisy and false vanities are very prevalent
among these class. Associated with this is often a Victorian
prudery that these classes acquired in the
last century from coming into contact with the British.
iAs a topping, you will often find them taking it
as a gospel truth that they are always morally superior.
I dislike them rather intensely and in general I
try to avoid these blowhards.

Fortunately, the real Bengali culture is kept alive by working masses, and
on among poor peasants and artisans and among working folk who live
by their honest labor. It survives in the songs of the bauls and in the eclectic
and syncretic religious traditions of rural Bengal, which espouse a
liberating philosophy as opposed to the repressive, soul-killing
constriction that the elite suffer from. This is why, every Bengali
who has proved his greatness, -- Tagore and Nazrul being
the most notble examples that come to mind -- have been indebted
to this stratum of folk tradition that continues in Bengali life outside of the
shallowness of middle-class and upper-middle-classli fe. About
these last-mentioned classes, the best description was
provided by the Bengali poet Farhad Mazhar:
"soho - salamot-e aachhe sobaar bhonDami!"

[chai...@hotmail.com]

In article <6nabcc$2ui$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:

> Fortunately, the real Bengali culture is kept alive by working masses, and
> on among poor peasants and artisans and among working folk who live
> by their honest labor. It survives in the songs of the bauls and in the
eclectic
> and syncretic religious traditions of rural Bengal, which espouse a
> liberating philosophy as opposed to the repressive, soul-killing
> constriction that the elite suffer from. This is why, every Bengali
> who has proved his greatness, -- Tagore and Nazrul being
> the most notble examples that come to mind

Sayan, gorib chasha na hole nijeke Bangali bola jaabe na? Robindronath ke apni
naami Bangali bolechhen, ta tini to gorib chileni na, amon ki apnar oi
hypocrite middle class-er moto goribo chilen na. Ta'le uni kano Bangali aar oi
modhyobrityo Bangali-ra kano ashol Bangali non?

Chaitali

[chai...@hotmail.com]

In article <6n8o5q$ivc$1...@lism.usc.edu>,
pra...@lism.usc.edu (Pradip Gangopadhyay) wrote:

> Jit, carry on the good work.

> There are many nettors who appreciate your informative postings.
>
> Pradip Gangopadhyay

Yeah, maane eta shotti bolchhen?

Koutuholi,

[Arindam]

Sayan writes:

> This group of posters, however, has not been replaced
>by younger people, even though young Bengalis in their early twenties
>(both FOBs and second-generation immigrants) are present in the USA in
>large numbers. What conclusion should one draw from this? That for some
>reason, younger Bengalis living in the West and with access to the newsgroups
>
>are no longer interested in discussions about Bengali culture,

...Can you really come to that conclusion from the volume of posts in a
newsgroup? It seems you are assuming anyone who has access to a newsgroup
actually _reads_ and _posts_ in them. You are also discounting a large group of
people who simply lurk the newsgroup. That does not mean however, that they do
not have any interest in the "Bengali culture".

If you have read the posts in this newsgroup for the last six months, how often
do you think cultural issues were discussed?

Speaking of myself, when I first accessed this newsgroup, I was attracted
because of the typical "Adda-style" conversations. Jai Maharajs and Babu
Ramabadrans were around even then and there were a few cut-and-paste guys
diligently doing their job.

But there was a spirit and flow of conversations that kept me visiting this
newsgroup every day. If I were to open this newsgroup for the first time these
days, I'd be bored and perhaps wouldn't care to come back.

Seems Scb is becoming a poor poster's s.c.i.....;)

and that
>the only people who still retain a vestigeal interest in things Bengali
>are old farts like ourselves? If this is true, it could be a dangerous
>portent.

Let's hope that "old farts" like you revive the spirit of conversations; build
it, and they'll come back!...:)

Arindam Basu

[Arnab Gupta]

Sayan wrote:

>Anindya has got it mostly wrong, because what he describes
>as "Bengali culture" is middle-class and upper-middle-class
>Bengali culture. It is not representative of all or even most
>Bengalis, because most Bengalis do not t belong
>to these classes.

tumi kon class-e uThle Sayan, VI naa VIII ?

Arnab.

[Srabani Banerjee]

Abhijit writes:

No longer do I consider myself 'Bengali' and no longer
> do I think of West Bengal as my 'home state.'

Come now! For this post alone, we are more than willing to welcome you
back to our fold. <sniff>

> At this point, an apology is in order - for having a role in screwing up what
> was without a doubt the best south asian newsgroup on the net.

wow! not true, unfortunately.
There are a few newsgorups out there - the film and music groups - which
have survived the onslaught of the `right' brigade. Even in its
hey-days, SCB could never hold a candle to them.

Yes, it was
> leftist -

:) No, it wasn't. It was not `rightist' and it had its fair share of
`leftists'. But that doesn't make it `leftist'.

I look forward to
> reading many more interesting discussions here in the future.

Go study :)

Srabani-di.

[Srabani Banerjee]

Indranil-da writes:

> Srabani Banerjee (baner...@osu.edu) wrote:
> : shob-i to bujhlam - kintu Shubu-babu ki bibaagi holen? recipe cheyeo
> : onar shaRa paaoa jaay na ajkaal- SCB ar bNachbe ki kore?
>
> shudhu ki recipe re baba? Shubu chhilen scb-r pran. meyeder
> siTi, last tango, golpo-lekho .. koto ki omlomodhur smriti
> mone pore gyalo.... shesh shunechhilam kill-file rakhar jonyo
> ekTa bookshelf khNujchhen...

er pechhone jeshob founder/member-der haat achhe tNara ki ekbar khoma
cheye niye Shubu-babu-ke phiriye anar cheshta korte paren na? taholeo
hoyto SCB bNeche jeto.

Srabani

[abhi_...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <3598CB0E...@osu.edu>, Srabani Banerjee <baner...@osu.edu>
wrote:

> Come now! For this post alone, we are more than willing to welcome you
> back to our fold. <sniff>

Nice to see you're as full of shit as always. I guess some things never
change...

> :) No, it wasn't. It was not `rightist' and it had its fair share of
> `leftists'. But that doesn't make it `leftist'.

'right' and 'left' is a matter of perspective, isn't it?

> Go study :)

Go cook. (since we're down to stereotypes anywayz)

-A.M.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

I never claimed to know what constitutes what Bengali culture
is. For I repeatedly said that I know not what it is! I've
limited my experiences to the financially middle and upper strata
of urban Bengalis because those were the people I happened to
interact with mostly. I have to agree somewhat with Sayan on
his representation of the above classes. But I have to disagree
when he states that I got it mostly wrong. For I do not claim
to have "got" anything in the first place. My interaction with
rural Bengal and northern India at large were mostly the field trips
that my bro. and me took during summer with Dad and couple of
our Uncles. We did have personal interaction with few of them,
did have few glimpses of their culture. But whatever it is,
it is at best superficial introduction to their lives. Hence
I cannot under circumstances claim to know the "real Bengalis"
as notified by Sayan. I always have this problem with this leftist
notion preached by Bengali leftist. I never understood how I can
claim myself to be leftist when most of my friends are capitalist
and I was certainly more fortunate than most Indians to have had
what might be constituted as a privileged upbringing. I always
had problems with those people with similar back-ground as mine
but claiming as if they were the representatives of sor-bo-hara
masses!! This is what I found the classic hypocrisy of Bengali
middle & upper class communists! Sympathizing or supporting a cause
is a different matter while fantasizing about this "working
masses and peasants" and glorification of the virtues of proverty
from the podium of richness is something I can hardly stomach.
For instance taking Sayan's example of Bauls! I did have some
first hand experience of seeing some homes of Bauls. Most of the
Bauls are driven out of existence because of the grinding proverty.
There is no romanticism in such grinding proverty. Few like
Poornodas Baul could make it big while the better ones like LakkanDas
Baul lose their way into proverty. Sorry, but I do not need
a culture whose existence would lead to people in extreme proverty
so that our friendly leftist ideologues can admire, appreciate and
talk of the finesse of such a culture messed in absolute proverty.
Talk of extreme heights of hypocrisy of such Bengali leftist
intellectuals.

Anindo.

sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Anindya has got it mostly wrong, because what he describes
> as "Bengali culture" is middle-class and upper-middle-class
> Bengali culture. It is not representative of all or even most
> Bengalis, because most Bengalis do not t belong
> to these classes.
>

> If you look numerically at Bengalis, the vast majority live in
> villages, not in cities, and, contrary to the lack-of-work-culture
> scene that Anindya portrays, most Bengalis live by the sweat of their
> brows simply to put bread on the table. The
> absence-of-work-culture is something which only the parasitic
> rich and some other parasitic classes, such as government employees,
> can afford to indulge in.
>
> The Bengali middle and upper classes contain some of the
> most horrible specimens of humanity ever known to exist on
> the planet. Hypocrisy and false vanities are very prevalent
> among these class. Associated with this is often a Victorian
> prudery that these classes acquired in the
> last century from coming into contact with the British.
> iAs a topping, you will often find them taking it
> as a gospel truth that they are always morally superior.
> I dislike them rather intensely and in general I
> try to avoid these blowhards.
>

> Fortunately, the real Bengali culture is kept alive by working masses, and
> on among poor peasants and artisans and among working folk who live
> by their honest labor. It survives in the songs of the bauls and in the eclectic
> and syncretic religious traditions of rural Bengal, which espouse a
> liberating philosophy as opposed to the repressive, soul-killing
> constriction that the elite suffer from. This is why, every Bengali
> who has proved his greatness, -- Tagore and Nazrul being

[chai...@hotmail.com]

Prothomoto, ato baro post scb-te kora nishedh achhe. Porte giye chokh kharap
hoye jaye.

Anindo likhechhe :

> It is rather unfortunate that Mr. Mitra feels this way. It is very difficult
> to say what Bengali culture is. One can start from utter lack of any work
> culture to dancing to the strains of Rabindra-sangeet (some say it's a
misnomer)
> in the neighborhood Puja mandal. Some snobbish Bengali would not fail to
> point out how "Amercanized or Anglicized" one is, when one mistakenly
> spoke some English words amidst a series of Bengali sentences in a
conversation.

Thiki to. Benglish bola bhalo noye.

[anek galpo baad diye diyechhi]

> Bengali's Biplobiana always baffled me.

Kaake Biplobiana bole? Tumio ki Abhijit-er moto scb'r bangalider biplobi
bolchho naaki?

> to escape the lecture which was supposedly on Organic Chemistry..The UC's
> logo " Advancement of Learning" was such an oxymoron.

Sheto deshe rail station-e "Our customers are most important" jatiyo shob
logoyi oxymoron. Shudhu CU-ke galagal dile je? Tomader Sibpur-e erom hoto na
bujhi?

> comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our revolutionary
> reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
> with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks.

Achha biye barite lok-e sheje jaabe na? Moha jhokmari to tomake niye!!

> I never felt at home with the Bangli_ana or as it was claimed to be.

She aar bolte? :-)

Somehow
> the ones with Bengali surnames were always in sight in hay days, faded as fast
> as soon the dark clouds were beginning to gather at the horizon.

Tomar bondhura bhalo noye bole akaron bangalider galagal diyo na, please.

> Bengali upper middle class were quite a conservative class during my
childhood days.

Define "liberal" for me, please.

> However, the Modern High or Loreto, Middleton Row or L'Marts girls especially
> the non_Bengali ones were more relaxed about the "date
> stigma".

Baaje boko na. Loreto-te non-bengali meyera were relaxed about date? Shala
skule-e chhuti kore debe na, cheleder dike takale?

> It was easier to go out with a Khaitan or a D'Souza on anyday than
with a Chakravarty.

Have you kept track of what that Khaitan or D'Souza is doing now? In Loreto
Bowbazar, we had a class of 35 of which 10 were bengali. Except for 3 of the
non - Bengali girls, all and I repeat all got married by 20 and are perfectly
happy house wives now. Of the 10 Bengali girls, about 5 are professionals who
have build a career for themselves. Kake bole liberal, bhai? Oi school kete
pasher boy's school-er cheleder shonge kara easily 'date'-e giyechilo - sheta
defines your liberalism? Give me a break!!

> I still remember, the shocked look on one of my childhood
friend's face when the word "date" dropped in the middle of our engrossed
conversation.

So what? Dating was not much of an indian concept. Jara exposed to western
culture chilo, they knew what dating was. Others didn't. Doesn't prove or
disprove anybody's liberalism - does it?

> She and 'Mashima' probably thought how lowly my morality must have been. Well
> that was early and mid 80's in Salt Lake and parts of South Calcutta.
Liberalism,
> I found, was not a word to be found much to my amazement in the Bengali middle
> and upper class society's vocabulary. However I must admit the Probashi
Bengalis
> of Delhi and Allahabad were much more relaxed in this aspect.

I have no idea how liberal the Bengalis of Allahabad are. When in Trieste, I
remember a girl from Allahabad University doing her Phd in physics was
escorted to ICTP, Trieste,by her mother as her mother was afraid of letting
her go alone to a foreign land. I don't want to conclude from one such
example. But surely there are people of both extremes in all society.
Bengalis cann't be exception to this.

> SCB was probably the only good interaction I ever had with the Bengali
> community in general barring my relatives. I do not know what cross-section
> of the broad Bengali society it may represent, excepting a generalization
> that it is more representative of the expatriate Bengalis rather than

Bengalees from Bengal. So my friend Mr. Mitra, do not despair, for I myself
know not what constitute a true Bengali! If you, or anyone, know the answer
to the present quest, do let me know..

Anybody who feels himself or herself as a bengali is a bengali. You don't even
need to have a bengali last name to be one. Ei newgroup-e Rajiv Shukla, is
surely a Bengali with his vast reading of Bengali books. To be anything, you
have to identify yourself with that label. If you feel you are a bengali, you
are one.

Thanks,
Chaitali

[sayan bhattacharyya]

In article <35992697...@teamqsi.com>,
Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:

>I never claimed to know what constitutes what Bengali culture

>is. For I repeatedly said that I know not what it is! I've

Ok, sorry about that.

>I never understood how I can
>claim myself to be leftist when most of my friends are capitalist

Since when does what a person is, be defined as what most of his
friends are? For example, if I am an Indian, but most of my friends
are Japanese, do I become a Japanese as well? Your assertion
does not make sense to me.

>and I was certainly more fortunate than most Indians to have had
>what might be constituted as a privileged upbringing.

So, probably, were almost everyone posting to this newsgroup.
But again, what you are, is defined not by what family you
were born into, or what circumstances you were raised in,
but by what YOU do.

>I always
>had problems with those people with similar back-ground as mine
>but claiming as if they were the representatives of sor-bo-hara
>masses!!

But why do you think that one has to necessarily go through
an experience X _personally_ in order to comment about it?
For example, I am not a Black person growing up in the
seggregated south of the USA; yet that should not
prevent me (I hope) from understanding that
racism is wrong and seggregation is wrong!

To take another example: do you think that a man has
no right to support issues concerning women's rights?
I hope that you don't think so.

Yet, a man has a different biology from a woman, and
thus a "different background" (to quote your words)
from a woman. Yet, I hope that the fact that the
fact that you are a man or I am a man should not prevent either
of us from voicing our support for women's rights!
So why is it suddenly different when it comes to
class issues? Please explain this to me!

>Sympathizing or supporting a cause
>is a different matter while fantasizing about this "working
>masses and peasants" and glorification of the virtues of proverty

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>from the podium of richness is something I can hardly stomach.
>For instance taking Sayan's example of Bauls! I did have some
>first hand experience of seeing some homes of Bauls. Most of the
>Bauls are driven out of existence because of the grinding proverty.
>There is no romanticism in such grinding proverty.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
You are projecting to me things I NEVER have said. . Where have
I glorified poverty or painted it as something desirable? NEVER.
If I thought the masses should live in poverty I would have LIKED
the status quo to continue, I would not have wanted to change it!

There is NO glory about poverty. There is no reason for
people to remain poor, since in the world today we already have enough
resources to create a society in which everyone has enough resources.

I consider it a shame
that in spite of the immense wealth that is created in the world
today, our social organization all over the world is so screwed
up that millions live in poverty. We can do better -- we
_must_ do better -- and that is why these forms of social
organization need to be changed in such a way that the
reasons of poverty do not exist. Now your views about
what changes to make are surely different from your views, but
I hope you will recognize that both your and my motivations are
the same -- and that is see a world where people have better
lives.

I said that we find the best traditions of Bengali
culture well-preserved among the working folk and
the common folk. These people also happen to be poor,
for the most part. That does not mean that they
_need_ to be poor or that I am romantisizing poverty -- far
from it. In fact I want to see a society where these
people will NOT be poor. You and I can differ, and
I suspect, do differ, on what should be the mechanisms
for such a change, but please do not misrepresent
me on the basic question of where I am coming from.
I hope that my position is clear to you now.

And oh, by the way, I do not consider the so-called
communist parties like the CPI, CPI(M) and maoists
to be leftists at all. Just so you know.

[Raghu Seshadri]

sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:

: Anindya has got it mostly wrong, because what he describes
: as "Bengali culture" is middle-class and upper-middle-class
: Bengali culture. It is not representative of all or even most
: Bengalis, because most Bengalis do not t belong
: to these classes.

: Fortunately, the real Bengali culture is kept alive by working masses, and

: on among poor peasants and artisans and among working folk who live
: by their honest labor. It survives in the songs of the bauls and in the eclectic

Sayan, in another post you said that not all
generalizations are false; that you can empirically
observe several things in bengalis that are true for
the overwhelming number of them.

I asked you what they were, but unfortunately,
if you answered my question, I never got to see it.

Now that we are on the subject, can you list
these qualities that we may empirically observe
in most bengalis ?

Thanks,
RS

[Srabani Banerjee]

abhi_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <3598CB0E...@osu.edu>, Srabani Banerjee <baner...@osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Come now! For this post alone, we are more than willing to welcome you
> > back to our fold. <sniff>
>
> Nice to see you're as full of shit as always. I guess some things never
> change...

Well, well! touchy aren't we?
Its not so nice to see that some people remain so completely devoid of
any sense of humour that they will jump at anything and show their true
colours. Well, you are banished again.

> > :) No, it wasn't. It was not `rightist' and it had its fair share of
> > `leftists'. But that doesn't make it `leftist'.
>
> 'right' and 'left' is a matter of perspective, isn't it?

sure - to some anything not `right' is `left'.

> > Go study :)
>
> Go cook. (since we're down to stereotypes anywayz)

Are we? Who exactly was making this big song and dance about graduation?
Anyway, I do need to go and do my cooking. see you around, kid.

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

sayan bhattacharyya wrote:

> The Bengali middle and upper classes contain some of the
> most horrible specimens of humanity ever known to exist on
> the planet. Hypocrisy and false vanities are very prevalent
> among these class. Associated with this is often a Victorian
> prudery that these classes acquired in the
> last century from coming into contact with the British.
> iAs a topping, you will often find them taking it
> as a gospel truth that they are always morally superior.
> I dislike them rather intensely and in general I
> try to avoid these blowhards.

So what's a nice guy like you doing in a middle-class dominated
newsgroup like this? Avoid us, Sayan.

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

sayan bhattacharyya wrote:

> I said that we find the best traditions of Bengali
> culture well-preserved among the working folk and
> the common folk.

Are you so sure about this? The last I heard, the Bengali working and
common folk were queueing up for those Bollywood potboilers starring
Govinda.

Srabani

[Indranil]

Raghu Seshadri (sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu) wrote:

: Thanks,
: RS

ishshwor! ei thread-e ar ki ki je dekhbo....

IDG

[Srabani Banerjee]

chai...@hotmail.com wrote:

> [anek galpo baad diye diyechhi]

kano dili? ami Anindya-r original post-ta ekhono pelam na, ekhanei poRe
neoa jeto.

> > comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our revolutionary
> > reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
> > with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks.
>

> Achha biye barite lok-e sheje jaabe na? Moha jhokmari to tomake niye!!

dNaRa, dNaRa - baaje bokish na. e to heavy goppo!! Jyotibabu biye baRite
make-up laagiye jaan?? ki make-up, Anindya??

> > It was easier to go out with a Khaitan or a D'Souza on anyday than
> with a Chakravarty.

hisheb-e gondogol hoye gyalo na? Khaitan ar D'Souza-der chhelera kader
shathe ghurto tahole? khNoj niye dekho, ora tokhon Chakraborty-der
meyeder date korto.

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

extreme garrulity and a predilection for arguments. By that token, I
guess, we could make you an honorary Bengali :)

Srabani

[Raghu Seshadri]

Srabani Banerjee (baner...@osu.edu) wrote:
: > Sayan, in another post you said that not all

: > generalizations are false; that you can empirically
: > observe several things in bengalis that are true for
: > the overwhelming number of them.
: > I asked you what they were, but unfortunately,
: > if you answered my question, I never got to see it.
: > Now that we are on the subject, can you list
: > these qualities that we may empirically observe
: > in most bengalis ?
:
: extreme garrulity and a predilection for arguments. By that token, I
: guess, we could make you an honorary Bengali :)

Mucho honored by this honorary title, Srabani di :)

RS

[Anindya Ghoshal]

sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> In article <35992697...@teamqsi.com>,
> Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:
>
> >I never claimed to know what constitutes what Bengali culture
> >is. For I repeatedly said that I know not what it is! I've
>
> Ok, sorry about that.

that's ok.

>
> >I never understood how I can
> >claim myself to be leftist when most of my friends are capitalist
>
> Since when does what a person is, be defined as what most of his
> friends are? For example, if I am an Indian, but most of my friends
> are Japanese, do I become a Japanese as well? Your assertion
> does not make sense to me.
>

I probably didn't explain myself properly. When one enjoys all the
fruits of a privileged upbringing, keeps in company of capitalists,
tries to claim that he/she can understand the true meaning of proverty
without having undergone that level of hardships and suffering in real-
life is only living in delusions. As I've stated before, one can
sympathize, empathize, support a cause, but one cannot claim to be
such a person who can truly represent the poor class unless and
until one had undergone a similar level of experience in great
proverty. A true understanding of proverty and hard survival in life
can only come through true life experience, not from some glorified
fantansies that one can conjure up from a distant in a well cocooned
shell. Thus I find most middle class and upper class leftist Bengalis
assertion of being a true representative of the poor class, delusionary
and a perfect lie.
The environment has a great impact on one's formation. As a side note
on your askance 'since when.."..there is an old proverb which is probably
more ancient than both of us here which says: "A man is known by the
company he keeps! "

> >and I was certainly more fortunate than most Indians to have had
> >what might be constituted as a privileged upbringing.
>
> So, probably, were almost everyone posting to this newsgroup.
> But again, what you are, is defined not by what family you
> were born into, or what circumstances you were raised in,
> but by what YOU do.

The fact remains that one gets a huge leap in the journey of life
depending where one is born and to which family one is born..
There is a certain limit to what one can achieve by one's abilities.
Rest in today's society is decided upon the contacts, one ability
to manipulate others and on some measure of luck. Since you just
returned from France, maybe you've noticed how the Parisian establishment
maintains its strict stranglehold on the French society which by any
measure can be termed as a socialist society. Not to talk about what
it means in a country like USA.

>
> >I always
> >had problems with those people with similar back-ground as mine
> >but claiming as if they were the representatives of sor-bo-hara
> >masses!!
>
> But why do you think that one has to necessarily go through
> an experience X _personally_ in order to comment about it?
> For example, I am not a Black person growing up in the
> seggregated south of the USA; yet that should not
> prevent me (I hope) from understanding that
> racism is wrong and seggregation is wrong!

You can try to understand but I don't think you'll ever be able
to conjure up even with all the gifted imaginative prowess that
you may possess to even come close to achieve a similar severe
experience that an African American had to undergo in a seggregated
South. As I said before, one may empathize, support a cause dearly,
embrace a cause, try to understand, but to claim that one knows exactly
what it means is foolhardy at best. However you're entitled to your
opinion, but I don't think it is possible for anyone of us here to
even think what those folks down there in those times had to bear.

>
> To take another example: do you think that a man has
> no right to support issues concerning women's rights?
> I hope that you don't think so.
>

I'm a hardcore supporter of womens' rights movement but I don't think
I will ever to able to completely comprehend and feel the disempowerment
that women folk experience in our contemporary society.

> Yet, a man has a different biology from a woman, and
> thus a "different background" (to quote your words)
> from a woman. Yet, I hope that the fact that the
> fact that you are a man or I am a man should not prevent either
> of us from voicing our support for women's rights!
> So why is it suddenly different when it comes to
> class issues? Please explain this to me!

No, it doesn't prevent us from supporting or embracing the women's
cause. But we cannot under any circumstances claim to be a representative
of them as we didn't have the similar experience. Well that's my view.

>
> >Sympathizing or supporting a cause
> >is a different matter while fantasizing about this "working
> >masses and peasants" and glorification of the virtues of proverty
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >from the podium of richness is something I can hardly stomach.
> >For instance taking Sayan's example of Bauls! I did have some
> >first hand experience of seeing some homes of Bauls. Most of the
> >Bauls are driven out of existence because of the grinding proverty.
> >There is no romanticism in such grinding proverty.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> You are projecting to me things I NEVER have said. . Where have
> I glorified poverty or painted it as something desirable? NEVER.
> If I thought the masses should live in poverty I would have LIKED
> the status quo to continue, I would not have wanted to change it!

,
Sorry, I think here you took it personal. My deepest apologies..my remarks
were not intended towards you personally but to the broad genre of
the so called leftist class which is happily ensconced in the middle
and upper Bengali bourgeoisie whose nature you have aptly described in your
earlier posting.

>
> There is NO glory about poverty. There is no reason for
> people to remain poor, since in the world today we already have enough
> resources to create a society in which everyone has enough resources.
>
> I consider it a shame
> that in spite of the immense wealth that is created in the world
> today, our social organization all over the world is so screwed
> up that millions live in poverty. We can do better -- we
> _must_ do better -- and that is why these forms of social
> organization need to be changed in such a way that the
> reasons of poverty do not exist. Now your views about
> what changes to make are surely different from your views, but
> I hope you will recognize that both your and my motivations are
> the same -- and that is see a world where people have better
> lives.

I do definitely agree with what you wrote. You have all my
respects as always although our approach maybe different but
our motivations are definitely same.

>
> I said that we find the best traditions of Bengali
> culture well-preserved among the working folk and

> the common folk. These people also happen to be poor,
> for the most part. That does not mean that they
> _need_ to be poor or that I am romantisizing poverty -- far
> from it. In fact I want to see a society where these
> people will NOT be poor. You and I can differ, and
> I suspect, do differ, on what should be the mechanisms
> for such a change, but please do not misrepresent
> me on the basic question of where I am coming from.
> I hope that my position is clear to you now.
>

Sorry I didn't intend to misrepresent you in any form. Rather
my diatribe is against the pretentious leftism that exist in
Bengali society which I've happened to seen pretty closely in the
Bengali society. This pretentious leftism has today become a
pathetic excuse for the parasitic class that it had bred within
itself.

> And oh, by the way, I do not consider the so-called
> communist parties like the CPI, CPI(M) and maoists
> to be leftists at all. Just so you know.

I think I'm well aware of that.
rgds,
Anindo.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> chai...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > [anek galpo baad diye diyechhi]
>
> kano dili? ami Anindya-r original post-ta ekhono pelam na, ekhanei poRe
> neoa jeto.
>

> > > comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our revolutionary
> > > reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
> > > with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks.
> >

> > Achha biye barite lok-e sheje jaabe na? Moha jhokmari to tomake niye!!
>
> dNaRa, dNaRa - baaje bokish na. e to heavy goppo!! Jyotibabu biye baRite
> make-up laagiye jaan?? ki make-up, Anindya??

Jyoti_Baboo oti soukin manush. Ooni sei J. C. Sengupta-r porjai poren.
Tobe onake niye moskara maraar dristhrota nai !! ;)..

>
>
> > > It was easier to go out with a Khaitan or a D'Souza on anyday than
> > with a Chakravarty.
>

> hisheb-e gondogol hoye gyalo na? Khaitan ar D'Souza-der chhelera kader
> shathe ghurto tahole? khNoj niye dekho, ora tokhon Chakraborty-der
> meyeder date korto.

Abdul Halim-er chele Faroukh Halim ekti Bongo Hindu romoni-r songe "date"
korchilo. Parar dada-der diye meyeti-r baap Faroukh-ke ekdin besh pyatani
diyechilen. Onekdin desh-er bondhu-der songe kono jogajog nei, tobe sunechi
Faroukh oi romoni-r songe elope korechilo..Speaker Baap prochur boro_lok,
Chadni Chowk-er onektai own koren tara, kintu ultimately Faroukh bhaya-r
ki dosha hoyechilo thik janina.

Khaitan-ra guccho conservative hoye jaan biye-r pore, ar D'Souza-ra
Australia baa Canada chole jaan. Ar Chakraborty-ra ki koren ta jodi jantam
tahole onyo kichu liktam!!
>
> Srabani

[Anindya Ghoshal]

chai...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Prothomoto, ato baro post scb-te kora nishedh achhe. Porte giye chokh kharap
> hoye jaye.

contact lens pore ne_wah bhalo..

>
> Anindo likhechhe :

>
> > It is rather unfortunate that Mr. Mitra feels this way. It is very difficult
> > to say what Bengali culture is. One can start from utter lack of any work
> > culture to dancing to the strains of Rabindra-sangeet (some say it's a
> misnomer)
> > in the neighborhood Puja mandal. Some snobbish Bengali would not fail to
> > point out how "Amercanized or Anglicized" one is, when one mistakenly
> > spoke some English words amidst a series of Bengali sentences in a
> conversation.
>

> Thiki to. Benglish bola bhalo noye.

hmm..

>
> [anek galpo baad diye diyechhi]
>

> > Bengali's Biplobiana always baffled me.
>

> Kaake Biplobiana bole? Tumio ki Abhijit-er moto scb'r bangalider biplobi
> bolchho naaki?
>

Sayan can tell you that this Bangali-r Biplob had been a topic of great
conversation at SCB years ago. So don't want to go into it..

> > to escape the lecture which was supposedly on Organic Chemistry..The UC's
> > logo " Advancement of Learning" was such an oxymoron.
>

> Sheto deshe rail station-e "Our customers are most important" jatiyo shob
> logoyi oxymoron. Shudhu CU-ke galagal dile je? Tomader Sibpur-e erom hoto na
> bujhi?

Nope never seen such an event in my life in any engineering institution.
Sophomore year-e Fluid Mechanics-er class thaakto Monday morning-e.
Once few of us arrived a minute later than Eight o'clock. Dr. Talapatra
walked across the room, and shut the door in front of us. Asked us
in his deep voice to comeback next day.

>
> > comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our revolutionary
> > reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
> > with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks.
>

> Achha biye barite lok-e sheje jaabe na? Moha jhokmari to tomake niye!!

Jyoti-Baboo is a great man. Onake niye no moskara!!

>
> > I never felt at home with the Bangli_ana or as it was claimed to be.
>

> She aar bolte? :-)

hmmm..

>
> Somehow
> > the ones with Bengali surnames were always in sight in hay days, faded as fast
> > as soon the dark clouds were beginning to gather at the horizon.
>

> Tomar bondhura bhalo noye bole akaron bangalider galagal diyo na, please.

I spoke of my own experiences only. I cannot vouch for anybody other than
myself and my own experiences.

>
> > Bengali upper middle class were quite a conservative class during my
> childhood days.
>

> Define "liberal" for me, please.

Anti-thesis of what constitutes to be traditional in a middle and upper class
of Bengali society. Go figure..!! ;)

>
> > However, the Modern High or Loreto, Middleton Row or L'Marts girls especially
> > the non_Bengali ones were more relaxed about the "date
> > stigma".
>

> Baaje boko na. Loreto-te non-bengali meyera were relaxed about date? Shala
> skule-e chhuti kore debe na, cheleder dike takale?

You went to a very conservative school..rather unfortunately..

>
> > It was easier to go out with a Khaitan or a D'Souza on anyday than
> with a Chakravarty.
>

> Have you kept track of what that Khaitan or D'Souza is doing now? In Loreto
> Bowbazar, we had a class of 35 of which 10 were bengali. Except for 3 of the
> non - Bengali girls, all and I repeat all got married by 20 and are perfectly
> happy house wives now. Of the 10 Bengali girls, about 5 are professionals who
> have build a career for themselves. Kake bole liberal, bhai? Oi school kete
> pasher boy's school-er cheleder shonge kara easily 'date'-e giyechilo - sheta
> defines your liberalism? Give me a break!!

besh "break" dile, "skid" korbe..er modye bhule gele??????? A "happy housewife"
can be a "liberal" while a "professional" can be a "conservative"! I don't
see how personal beliefs in social conservatism and social liberalism can be
somehow construed to be in what somebody is doing in her/his professional or
personal life.

>
> > I still remember, the shocked look on one of my childhood
> friend's face when the word "date" dropped in the middle of our engrossed
> conversation.
>

> So what? Dating was not much of an indian concept. Jara exposed to western
> culture chilo, they knew what dating was. Others didn't. Doesn't prove or
> disprove anybody's liberalism - does it?

Ei_to sedin nijei Gandharva bibhabo niye lecture dicchiley and how it existed
in ancient India. How do you think it was possible in Indian society if dating
wasn't around to initiate the whole relationship in the first place?? Me is
confused..show the light!

>
> I have no idea how liberal the Bengalis of Allahabad are. When in Trieste, I
> remember a girl from Allahabad University doing her Phd in physics was
> escorted to ICTP, Trieste,by her mother as her mother was afraid of letting
> her go alone to a foreign land. I don't want to conclude from one such
> example. But surely there are people of both extremes in all society.
> Bengalis cann't be exception to this.

Bengalis are in general more conservative than their counterparts in Delhi
or Bombay. You may not believe in this generalization but methinks so..

>
>
> Anybody who feels himself or herself as a bengali is a bengali. You don't even
> need to have a bengali last name to be one. Ei newgroup-e Rajiv Shukla, is
> surely a Bengali with his vast reading of Bengali books. To be anything, you
> have to identify yourself with that label. If you feel you are a bengali, you
> are one.

As far as my knowledge goes Rajiv Shukla is a Bengali, and so is the more famous
Haimonti Shukla. Where did you get the idea that Shukla's are not?

>
> Thanks,
> Chaitali

A+
A.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

And pat came the reply from the conservative traditional Bengali
(shall we assume the leftist middle/upper middle class kind) !!!
Rest assured they are of a thriving genre inspite of an occasional
defection production of the likes of Anindo in their genetic pool!
However, they too, leave their poor bethren behind to sail over
seven seas to land themselves in the land of El Dorado! Hmm..gone
are the days of the Sanatan Bengalee for whom the touch of mleccho
across the seas would have de-sanctified their spirits for-ever..
A.

par...@soli.inav.net wrote:
>
>
>
> Anindyo asholey bhul deshey, bhul shomoye jonmechhey - Anindyor post poRey
> Michael'er 'Ekei Ki Baley Shobbhota'r katha maney porey gyalo. Young
> Bengal'er apobhrangsho deRsho bachhor parey jonmechhey, tabey anander katha
> El Dorado'tey pNouchhotey perechhey.
>
> - Partha
>

[Anindya Ghoshal]

BTW I'm a proud supporter of Young Bengal. On anyday the likes
of Derozio or Pyaari Chand would make my day. Jaan ghore giye
Radhakanta Deb-er joi-gaan korun. Ishwar aapnar sohai hon!
Partho-Baboor lekha pore mone pore gelo..
With apologies to Tagore:
"rekhecho sanatan Bangali kore,
maanush koroni more!"

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>,
dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil) wrote:

> ei til til mrityur cheye shommanjonok bikolpo hishebe
> scb-ke ak kop-e tule-i deoya jay kina e niye protishThata shodoshyo
> hishebe ami dinraat bhebechhi. Apratim Sarkar-er shonge
> poramorsho korar ichchhe chhilo. kintu Apratim phaTkar bajare
> minute-e hajar dollar hare-jete. tar shonge dekha korte gele
> slip diye baire opekhkha korte hoy. durjone bole Apratim
> notun dollar-er gochha haate niye bathroom-e jay.

Paalki choRe iye korte jabar moto poisa ekhono hoy ni jodiyo. Odike, Boston'e
ele to shaala bou'r aNchol dhore boshe thako! SCB bhog'r baRi gyachhe, ekhon
stage'ta je honolulu until death, she byapare no doubt. Hard drive fail kore
amar Brief History of SCB'r draft'ta'o gone case. Jak ge, ishabashya midam
sarbam - shei unishsho pNochanobboi'te Sayan'ke bolechhilam friendship'e
invest na kore tech stock'e korte - shunlo ki? Sh*t happens. Tumi ami nimitto
matro.

> IDG

Apra.

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <3598CC21...@osu.edu>,
Srabani Banerjee <baner...@osu.edu> wrote:

> er pechhone jeshob founder/member-der haat achhe tNara ki ekbar khoma
> cheye niye Shubu-babu-ke phiriye anar cheshta korte paren na? taholeo
> hoyto SCB bNeche jeto.

Nolinbabu amake kill file theke shoriye dile ami Shubu'r kachhe maap chaite
raaji.

> Srabani

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <6na6ls$1bo$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:

> Strange as it may seem to you, I also defend your _rights_ to post
> anything that you want to. I agree with Voltaire, who once said
> "I totally disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the
> last to defend your right to say it". If you read my post (this
> and others) , you will find that never have I demanded that you stop
> posting. In the paragraph that you quote above, I was poking fun at your
> style and volume of postings (something that, as you will note, I have as
> much right to do, on the same free-speech grounds, as you have to
> post your own stuff).

Sayan, tumi PhD sesh korchho kobe?

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <359738CA...@earthlink.net>,
jit <ji...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Communist, Imperialist anti-India evil nexus is being exposed.
> Days of a weak, meek and subservient India are numbered.
> Communists are afraid of a strong India -- since such an India
> is against the interests of their masters in Beijing and their
> neo-Comrades from Washington DC.

Jitbabu,

Bayu'r dosh, omloshul ityadi'te Dabor'r Pudinhara bishesh upokari bole
shunechhi.

Binito,

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980629123314.15804E-100000@post>,
Supratik Das <d...@aecom.yu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 par...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> > personally do not mind Supratik who is a kind of comic releif).
>
> I am always happy to bring pleasure to Comrade Partha.

Parthababu onurodh janale apni tobe ki amader neche dykhaben, Supratikbabu?
Kimba bagol bajiye? SCB theke chNada kore amra dugdugi kine dite pari.

> A little info ain't gonna hurt. Whats your problem guys? All Jit seems to
> be doing is post cuttings from various papers/magazines.

Eta thik bollen na. Majhe majhe Jitbabu tukli chheRe nije lekha'r chesta'o
kore thaken. Case'ta otyonto deadly hoy.

> You Red fascists are really short on tolerance.

Eta ghatona. OTOH, apnake e'i SCB'te lokjon je rate'e henostha kore, apni je
tao lege thaken, dekhe shihorito bodh kori. Ami hole to kobei SCB chheRe
chole jetam.

[par...@soli.inav.net]

In article <6nbfhi$psj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
chai...@hotmail.com wrote:
[deleted]

>
> > I still remember, the shocked look on one of my childhood
> friend's face when the word "date" dropped in the middle of our engrossed
> conversation.
>
> So what? Dating was not much of an indian concept. Jara exposed to western
> culture chilo, they knew what dating was. Others didn't. Doesn't prove or
> disprove anybody's liberalism - does it?
>

> > She and 'Mashima' probably thought how lowly my morality must have been.
Well
> > that was early and mid 80's in Salt Lake and parts of South Calcutta.
> Liberalism,
> > I found, was not a word to be found much to my amazement in the Bengali
middle
> > and upper class society's vocabulary. However I must admit the Probashi
> Bengalis
> > of Delhi and Allahabad were much more relaxed in this aspect.
>

Anindyo asholey bhul deshey, bhul shomoye jonmechhey - Anindyor post poRey

Michael'er 'Ekei Ki Baley Shobbhota'r katha maney porey gyalo. Young
Bengal'er apobhrangsho deRsho bachhor parey jonmechhey, tabey anander katha
El Dorado'tey pNouchhotey perechhey.

- Partha

-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

[par...@soli.inav.net]

In article <35990EEB...@osu.edu>,
Srabani Banerjee <baner...@osu.edu> wrote:

>
> sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> > I said that we find the best traditions of Bengali
> > culture well-preserved among the working folk and
> > the common folk.
>

> Are you so sure about this? The last I heard, the Bengali working and
> common folk were queueing up for those Bollywood potboilers starring
> Govinda.
>
> Srabani
>

Sayan bodh hoi sub-altern culture jatiyo kichhu boltey chaichhey.

Tabey Sayan'er hoye kichhu boltey bhoi hoi majhey majhey Sayan'ke amar shei
Kabuliwala maney hoi, je naki Kabuler rastai boktrita korchhilo - "Bhai pathan
shab, esho amar shab kichhu uRiye di - capitailsm, socialism, communism shab
kichhu" - takhon aykjon jiggesh korlo - "Tabey ki tui anarchist?", baktar chat
joldi jabab - "Na amra anarchy'o uRiye debo!" (courtsey Mujtaba Ali -
Panchatantra? - maney nei).

[Partha Chatterjee]

Anindya Ghoshal wrote in message <3598A4C3...@teamqsi.com>...
[deleted]

>Bengali Communism continued to baffle me. More than a decade ago, I was
>privileged enough to attend this marriage reception at Jodu Colony in
>Jadavpur. Certainly there was nothing exceptional about this house in

Anindo katodin Kolkata chhaRa? Jadavpur'e Jodu colony'ta thik kothai? Jodu
colony to jantam Behalai. Kolkatar geography badlano to prove a point, ejtu
baRabaRi hoye jachhey naki? Bangalira alash, parasreekator eto jana katha,
tabey ami tader daley noi! Ami aykbar bus'e jetey, jetey ayk Bngali
bhadralokkey shara rasta boltey shunechhilam jey 'Bangali matrei shuorer
bachha!', maney anek proshno jegechhilo, kintu chepey giyechhilam, ebao
gelam.

[deletd]

>English medium school when Partho Mitra (then Education Minister) was
forcing

It should be Partha Dey not Mitra.

[deleted]

I do not know why do I do this. I'm sure this is goin to prove my
communist/CPM/CPI legacy, but I couldn't help it, tolerating wrong
information.

- Partha

[par...@soli.inav.net]

In article <3599885F...@teamqsi.com>,

Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:
>
> BTW I'm a proud supporter of Young Bengal. On anyday the likes
> of Derozio or Pyaari Chand would make my day. Jaan ghore giye

Shei jonnei to Young Bengal bolini, tar apobhrangsho bolechhi, Madhusudan
Dutta'r 'Ekei Ki baley Shobbhota'ta arekbar jhaliye nin, ki boltey cheyechhi,
sheta spashto habey.

> Radhakanta Deb-er joi-gaan korun. Ishwar aapnar sohai hon!
> Partho-Baboor lekha pore mone pore gelo..
> With apologies to Tagore:
> "rekhecho sanatan Bangali kore,
> maanush koroni more!"
>

Is it a deliberate misquote? But I miss the point, could you care to explain
why you misquoted?

> Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
> >
> > And pat came the reply from the conservative traditional Bengali
> > (shall we assume the leftist middle/upper middle class kind) !!!
> > Rest assured they are of a thriving genre inspite of an occasional
> > defection production of the likes of Anindo in their genetic pool!
> > However, they too, leave their poor bethren behind to sail over
> > seven seas to land themselves in the land of El Dorado! Hmm..gone

I thought that you were the guy who lamented that the middle class Bengali
girls didn't feel honored to be dated by you.

[deleted]

[ala...@my-dejanews.com]

protishedh-e hobe na, protishodh laagbe |

Amitabha

[chai...@hotmail.com]

Prothome apnake dhonyobaad dichhi ei thread-er jonno. Anekdin por bohu
purono scb-ite likhlo ete.

Indranil wrote:

>
> : Sharmila Mukherjee bole arek
> : > ortholipshu shodoshyar kotha aj mone poRe. uni ichchhe korlei
> : > chakri chhaRte paren.
>
> : Etar maane ki?
>
> baRite charTe prani. tar tinjone-i full time chakure. what a waste
> of spare time...!

Apnar shob khabor bhul. Or baari-te akhon duto prani. Akjon chakri kore aar
onnojon skul-e jaye. Chakri charle, apni khaowaben? Eta shobaar shamne kotha
dile, Sharmila chakri chere dite pare. Ki re Sharmila, thik kina?

> : Apratim Sarkar-er shonge

> : > poramorsho korar ichchhe chhilo. kintu Apratim phaTkar bajare
> : > minute-e hajar dollar hare-jete. tar shonge dekha korte gele
> : > slip diye baire opekhkha korte hoy. durjone bole Apratim
> : > notun dollar-er gochha haate niye bathroom-e jay.
>

> : Kano kano, bathroom-e taka niye jaye kano?
>
> ekTa kaje lage.

Palki-o kinbe bolchhe, dekhechen to?

Chaitali

[Arindam]

Partha-da writes:

> I'm sure this is goin to prove my
>communist/CPM/CPI legacy, but I couldn't help it, tolerating wrong
>information.

Partha-da:

Even if Jodu colony would be in its correct geographical spot (Behala, wasn't
it?),or the minister had a different surname, how did it change what Anindo was
stating ?

Oboshyo jodi na apnar boktobyo hoy je jadavpur er bangali ra behala r bangali
der theke etotai different je jodu colony sref behalai hobar karoney Anindo r
boktobyo ta uriye deowa jai....:)

Given Anindya's content, do you think accuracy of facts that important in
stating his point?

-Arindam Basu

[chai...@hotmail.com]

In article <35997FFF...@teamqsi.com>,
Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:

> > Prothomoto, ato baro post scb-te kora nishedh achhe. Porte giye chokh kharap
> > hoye jaye.
>
> contact lens pore ne_wah bhalo..

Tar cheye ektu choto kore lekho na...

> Sayan can tell you that this Bangali-r Biplob had been a topic of great
> conversation at SCB years ago. So don't want to go into it..

Eto sheyi 1900 shatoke ke kobe ki alochona korechilo...tayi aar korbo na. Eta
kamon karon re baba!!!

> > > to escape the lecture which was supposedly on Organic Chemistry..The UC's
> > > logo " Advancement of Learning" was such an oxymoron.
> >
> > Sheto deshe rail station-e "Our customers are most important" jatiyo shob
> > logoyi oxymoron. Shudhu CU-ke galagal dile je? Tomader Sibpur-e erom hoto na
> > bujhi?
>
> Nope never seen such an event in my life in any engineering institution.
> Sophomore year-e Fluid Mechanics-er class thaakto Monday morning-e.
> Once few of us arrived a minute later than Eight o'clock. Dr. Talapatra
> walked across the room, and shut the door in front of us. Asked us
> in his deep voice to comeback next day.

Orom udaharon amadero achhe. Rastaye prochondo traffic-e atke giye 10 min late
hoyechilum class-e bole sir dhukte dayeni. Doesn't prove a thing. Engineering
college-e politics-er jonno class na kora korto na student-ra? Chile kon deshe
tumi?

> > > comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our
revolutionary
> > > reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
> > > with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks.
> >
> > Achha biye barite lok-e sheje jaabe na? Moha jhokmari to tomake niye!!
>
> Jyoti-Baboo is a great man. Onake niye no moskara!!

Naachte neme ghomta tanchho kano he? Shuru to korle tumi-i. "Fulbabu" naki
shob bole!

> > Somehow
> > > the ones with Bengali surnames were always in sight in hay days, faded as
fast
> > > as soon the dark clouds were beginning to gather at the horizon.
> >
> > Tomar bondhura bhalo noye bole akaron bangalider galagal diyo na, please.
>
> I spoke of my own experiences only. I cannot vouch for anybody other than
> myself and my own experiences.

Sheyi to. That is exactly my point. Tomar dujon gujrati bondhu bhalo chilo aar
duto bangali bondhu bhalo chilo na maane ei noye je overall gurjati-ra bhalo
aar bangali-ra kharap.

> >
> > > Bengali upper middle class were quite a conservative class during my
> > childhood days.
> >
> > Define "liberal" for me, please.
>
> Anti-thesis of what constitutes to be traditional in a middle and upper class
> of Bengali society. Go figure..!! ;)

Go figure bole paar pabe bhebechho? 80's-e dating shobdota tato common chilo
na, tayi shune keu bhuru kNuchke thakte pare. Doesn't mean tara conservative
chilo.

> > > However, the Modern High or Loreto, Middleton Row or L'Marts girls
especially
> > > the non_Bengali ones were more relaxed about the "date
> > > stigma".
> >
> > Baaje boko na. Loreto-te non-bengali meyera were relaxed about date? Shala
> > skule-e chhuti kore debe na, cheleder dike takale?
>
> You went to a very conservative school..rather unfortunately..

Tomar lekhate Loreto'r naam chilo he!

> A "happy housewife"
> can be a "liberal" while a "professional" can be a "conservative"! I don't
> see how personal beliefs in social conservatism and social liberalism can be
> somehow construed to be in what somebody is doing in her/his professional or
> personal life.

O. Taar maane liberal shudhu depend kore akjon Ma taar school going meyeke
"date"-e jete debe kina arekta school going cheler shonge, taar opor right?
Tomar oi oporer definition of liberal being "antithesis of middle class"-er
opor depend kore amar data. Beshir bhaag middle class indian girls are still
housewives, fole jara nijeder-ke professional korechhe tara are liberal by
your definition only.

> > > I still remember, the shocked look on one of my childhood
> > friend's face when the word "date" dropped in the middle of our engrossed
> > conversation.
> >
> > So what? Dating was not much of an indian concept. Jara exposed to western
> > culture chilo, they knew what dating was. Others didn't. Doesn't prove or
> > disprove anybody's liberalism - does it?
>
> Ei_to sedin nijei Gandharva bibhabo niye lecture dicchiley and how it existed
> in ancient India. How do you think it was possible in Indian society if dating
> wasn't around to initiate the whole relationship in the first place?? Me is
> confused..show the light!

Tumi je confised tate amar dimot neyi. Gandharba-te dating hoto anek cheler
shonge, erom udaharon kothaye pele tumi? Jato puran, ramayan. mohabharat-er
galpo achhe, tate khoob kodachit kono meye nijer gota jibone stayed with more
than 2 men. Aar dating korchhe aneker shonge erom udaharon besh kom. Exception
achhe, like Kunti, Draupadi....But they were exceptions and not rules.
Dating-ta moteyo indian concept noye. Taye school-er chele meyeder dating,
moteyo akhono common in India noye.

> > I have no idea how liberal the Bengalis of Allahabad are. When in Trieste, I
> > remember a girl from Allahabad University doing her Phd in physics was
> > escorted to ICTP, Trieste,by her mother as her mother was afraid of letting
> > her go alone to a foreign land. I don't want to conclude from one such
> > example. But surely there are people of both extremes in all society.
> > Bengalis cann't be exception to this.
>
> Bengalis are in general more conservative than their counterparts in Delhi
> or Bombay. You may not believe in this generalization but methinks so..

Achha ebaar Dilli, Bombay holo.... Jekono jayegateyi first generation
immigrant-ra ektu less conservative hoye. Kichhudin pora tara more
conservative than people back home hoye jaye as time for them stops after a
time. Eta known phenomenon. Nothing special for Bengalis about it.

> As far as my knowledge goes Rajiv Shukla is a Bengali, and so is the more
famous
> Haimonti Shukla. Where did you get the idea that Shukla's are not?

Amar dharona chilo Shukla last name-ta UP-ite. Bhul hoye thakle, Rajiv-er
kachhe khoma cheye nilum.

> A+

Kadin por erom bhabe nijer initial likhi na bole, conservative bolbe.

> A.

[chai...@hotmail.com]

Srabani likhechhe :

> > [anek galpo baad diye diyechhi]
>

> kano dili? ami Anindya-r original post-ta ekhono pelam na, ekhanei poRe
> neoa jeto.

Mithe chokher power bariye laabh ki?

> > > comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our
revolutionary
> > > reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete
> > > with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks.
> >
> > Achha biye barite lok-e sheje jaabe na? Moha jhokmari to tomake niye!!
>

> dNaRa, dNaRa - baaje bokish na. e to heavy goppo!! Jyotibabu biye baRite
> make-up laagiye jaan?? ki make-up, Anindya??

Jene tui ki korbi, lagabi? Ta'le to shona jaye London-e giye majhe modhye
face lift niye ashen, sheshobo korte hobe.:-)

> khNoj niye dekho, ora tokhon Chakraborty-der
> meyeder date korto.

Akjon scb-ite amake personally janiyechhen je "vidyasagar moshayi-er por
bangalider shomaj sangshkarok hishebe Mamata Banerjee-ke dekha uchit". Tor ki
mone hoye e byapare? Serious discussion.

> Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

> > Have you kept track of what that Khaitan or D'Souza is doing now? In Loreto
> > Bowbazar, we had a class of 35 of which 10 were bengali. Except for 3 of the
> > non - Bengali girls, all and I repeat all got married by 20 and are perfectly
> > happy house wives now. Of the 10 Bengali girls, about 5 are professionals who
> > have build a career for themselves. Kake bole liberal, bhai? Oi school kete
> > pasher boy's school-er cheleder shonge kara easily 'date'-e giyechilo - sheta
> > defines your liberalism? Give me a break!!
>
> besh "break" dile, "skid" korbe..er modye bhule gele??????? A "happy housewife"
> can be a "liberal" while a "professional" can be a "conservative"!

Sure - and a happy housewife can be a happy professional and lots of
other things, Anindya. That's not the point. The point is that you
started painting things in black and white.

I don't
> see how personal beliefs in social conservatism and social liberalism can be
> somehow construed to be in what somebody is doing in her/his professional or
> personal life.

What??? And yet, personal beliefs about `dating', and that too, in a few
young girls you knew in school, can be extrapolated to generalize the
entire Bengali middle-class as `conservative'? Let me reiterate
Chaitali's question - What constitues your idea of liberalism, Anindya?
And please - don't give me that antithesis-of-Bengali-values nonsense.
Its a terrible cop-out - and you know that.

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

Anindya Ghoshal wrote:

> > dNaRa, dNaRa - baaje bokish na. e to heavy goppo!! Jyotibabu biye baRite
> > make-up laagiye jaan?? ki make-up, Anindya??
>

> Jyoti_Baboo oti soukin manush. Ooni sei J. C. Sengupta-r porjai poren.
> Tobe onake niye moskara maraar dristhrota nai !! ;)..

dhus! bore kore dile to.

> Abdul Halim-er chele Faroukh Halim ekti Bongo Hindu romoni-r songe "date"

> korchilo.Parar dada-der diye meyeti-r baap Faroukh-ke ekdin besh pyatani

> diyechilen. Onekdin desh-er bondhu-der songe kono jogajog nei, tobe sunechi
> Faroukh oi romoni-r songe elope korechilo..Speaker Baap prochur boro_lok,
> Chadni Chowk-er onektai own koren tara, kintu ultimately Faroukh bhaya-r
> ki dosha hoyechilo thik janina.

ei diye ki proman hoy Anindya? ami taao je du-chaarTe bangali
hindu-musholman-er biye-r kotha jani, tar beshirbhaag-i bangali-der
modhyei. `jaat' miliye biye korar byapar-ta amar dekha modhyobitto
bangalider modhye praay uThe gechhe bollei chole. ebar-e bolo dekhi
arekbar tomar shei liberal bondhuder goppo.

> Khaitan-ra guccho conservative hoye jaan biye-r pore,

o, tumi ki tahole shudhu ishkul-jibone-r liberalism niye kotha bolchhile
naki?

ar D'Souza-ra
> Australia baa Canada chole jaan. Ar Chakraborty-ra ki koren ta jodi jantam
> tahole onyo kichu liktam!!

khNoj-o niye dekho na ki koren? taar aagei ato kichhu likhe dile?

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

Apra writes:

Majhe majhe Jitbabu tukli chheRe nije lekha'r chesta'o
> kore thaken. Case'ta otyonto deadly hoy.
>

ghapTi mere shob-i poRo tahole!!

anyway, welcome back! tumi je Wall Street chheRe SCB bNachate neme poRle
e kotha nahoy amra ekta notun charter baniye likhe-tikhe debo. tumi
shudhu ektu precondition chhaRai Shubu-babur kachhe khoma cheye nao na.

Srabani

[shu...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <199806301303...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
ari...@aol.com (Arindam) wrote:
>
> Sayan writes:
>
> > This group of posters, however, has not been replaced
> >by younger people, even though young Bengalis in their early twenties
> >(both FOBs and second-generation immigrants) are present in the USA in
> >large numbers. What conclusion should one draw from this? That for some
> >reason, younger Bengalis living in the West and with access to the newsgroups
> >
> >are no longer interested in discussions about Bengali culture,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Perhaps there are more profitable things to do.

>
> Speaking of myself, when I first accessed this newsgroup, I was attracted
> because of the typical "Adda-style" conversations.

However, most of this "adda" style conversations were plain "nyakami". Boring.

Rajiv

[chai...@hotmail.com]

In article <35992449...@osu.edu>,
Srabani Banerjee <baner...@osu.edu> wrote:

> extreme garrulity and a predilection for arguments.

Ei 'garrulity' shobdo-ta ki 'garol' theke eshechhe?

> Srabani

Chaitali

[rajiv_...@my-dejanews.com]

>
> As far as my knowledge goes Rajiv Shukla is a Bengali, and so is the more
famous
> Haimonti Shukla. Where did you get the idea that Shukla's are not?

My father was from U.P and my mother is from Bengal.
All "Shukla"s that I have met are either from U.P or from M.P.

Rajiv

[Indranil]

ap...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
: In article <6mujkr$h6c$1...@news1.bu.edu>,
: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil) wrote:

: Paalki choRe iye korte jabar moto poisa ekhono hoy ni jodiyo. Odike, Boston'e

: ele to shaala bou'r aNchol dhore boshe thako! SCB bhog'r baRi gyachhe, ekhon
: stage'ta je honolulu until death, she byapare no doubt. Hard drive fail kore
: amar Brief History of SCB'r draft'ta'o gone case. Jak ge, ishabashya midam
: sarbam - shei unishsho pNochanobboi'te Sayan'ke bolechhilam friendship'e
: invest na kore tech stock'e korte - shunlo ki? Sh*t happens. Tumi ami nimitto
: matro.

bhule-o keu bhabben na je uporer lekhaTa ashol Apratim-er
lekha. e holo shei durjon jonota je/jara Apratim-er name
roTona roTonti. Apratim akhon phaTkay prochonDo byasto -
dom phelbar shomoy nei. gotobar Boston-e giye tar shathe
erokom ekTa kothopokothon hoyechhilo:

IDG: ato poysha diye ki korbe Apra?

Apra: Sayan-ke kinbo.

IDG: ta she to akhon-i kinte paro. deri kisher?

Apra: ;-) arekTu dNaRao na, daam aro poRbe....

IDG

[Anindya Ghoshal]

par...@soli.inav.net wrote:
>
> In article <3599885F...@teamqsi.com>,

> Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:
> >
> > BTW I'm a proud supporter of Young Bengal. On anyday the likes
> > of Derozio or Pyaari Chand would make my day. Jaan ghore giye
>
> Shei jonnei to Young Bengal bolini, tar apobhrangsho bolechhi, Madhusudan

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Dutta'r 'Ekei Ki baley Shobbhota'ta arekbar jhaliye nin, ki boltey cheyechhi,
> sheta spashto habey.

Thank you for your reference. I've read that one and don't feel it
necessary to read it again. For your reference, I would suggest to you
to look up the website: http://www.fau.edu/rinaldi/net/index.htm
for a proper understanding of Netiquette and USENET posting.
Each one of us looks at this World uniquely and through our own eyes
and experiences. I guess for people like you to denigrate others
even without having a clue what he/she is talking about only
manifests the type of person you are and your background.
Rest is deleted as you've clearly no clue what I'm talking about.
Thanks,
Anindo.

[Srabani Banerjee]

shu...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> > >are no longer interested in discussions about Bengali culture,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Perhaps there are more profitable things to do.

Since when has `adda' got anything to do with `profit'?

> > Speaking of myself, when I first accessed this newsgroup, I was attracted
> > because of the typical "Adda-style" conversations.
>
> However, most of this "adda" style conversations were plain "nyakami". Boring.

:) :)
When it comes to bringing Mr.Shukla out of hiding, nothing seems to work
better than some plain old home-style `nyakami', eh?

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

chai...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Jene tui ki korbi, lagabi? Ta'le to shona jaye London-e giye majhe modhye
> face lift niye ashen, sheshobo korte hobe.:-)

ar iyarki marish na Chaitali, Rajiv-babu rege jachchhen kintu.

> > khNoj niye dekho, ora tokhon Chakraborty-der
> > meyeder date korto.
>
> Akjon scb-ite amake personally janiyechhen je "vidyasagar moshayi-er por
> bangalider shomaj sangshkarok hishebe Mamata Banerjee-ke dekha uchit". Tor ki
> mone hoye e byapare? Serious discussion.
>

bangali-r meye hoye jonmechhi jokhon, Vidyasagar-er ekta chhobi rekhe
shokaal-bikel phul-chondon diye pujo kora uchit chhilo. (communist-ra
teRe marte bNachash, Chaitali)
kintu eke meye, taay Banerjee, taay bangal - ami bhai MB-r byapare mukh
khulchhi na. tobe shunchhi amar `middle-class-Bengali-trash' bondhuder
onekei puro volte-face kheye ekhon `didi'-r bishaal fan.

Srabani

[Anindya Ghoshal]

Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Anindya Ghoshal wrote in message <3598A4C3...@teamqsi.com>...
> [deleted]
>
> >Bengali Communism continued to baffle me. More than a decade ago, I was
> >privileged enough to attend this marriage reception at Jodu Colony in
> >Jadavpur. Certainly there was nothing exceptional about this house in
>
> Anindo katodin Kolkata chhaRa? Jadavpur'e Jodu colony'ta thik kothai? Jodu
> colony to jantam Behalai. Kolkatar geography badlano to prove a point, ejtu
> baRabaRi hoye jachhey naki? Bangalira alash, parasreekator eto jana katha,
> tabey ami tader daley noi! Ami aykbar bus'e jetey, jetey ayk Bngali
> bhadralokkey shara rasta boltey shunechhilam jey 'Bangali matrei shuorer
> bachha!', maney anek proshno jegechhilo, kintu chepey giyechhilam, ebao
> gelam.
>
> [deletd]
>
> >English medium school when Partho Mitra (then Education Minister) was
> forcing
>
> It should be Partha Dey not Mitra.
>
> [deleted]
>

> I do not know why do I do this. I'm sure this is goin to prove my

> communist/CPM/CPI legacy, but I couldn't help it, tolerating wrong
> information.
>

Sailen Dasgupta's daughter Tutu-di married Santanu-da (Santanu Sengupta of
IITKGP Mech'83) in mid '84. I'm pretty much positive that Sailen Dasgupta's
house then was somewhere near Jadavpur. I maybe wrong in the name of the colony.
Santanuda and Tutu-di today live in Salt Lake and they are really very
nice people. I have officially left Calcutta more than a decade ago and
haven't been to Cal since '92. My memory may fail me in the exact location
of SD's house. However, do please share with us if you think that I've
provided any wrong information.

thanks,
Anindo.

> - Partha

[Raghu Seshadri]

Anindya Ghoshal (ani...@teamqsi.com) wrote:
: Bengali Communism continued to baffle me. More than a decade ago, I was

: privileged enough to attend this marriage reception at Jodu Colony in
: Jadavpur. Certainly there was nothing exceptional about this house in

:thiserstwhile refugee colony, excepting that it belonged to the today's topmost
: comrade of state CPIM and Left Front. It was baffling to see our revolutionary

: reverent Chief Minister coming around as a typical "PhuLu_Baboo", complete

: with make-up, expensive dhoti, and white socks. Low-Behold, it was a marriage
: ceremony with all the Hindu marriage customs in its full splendor, with the
:much maligned BrahminPurohit evenrecitingthe slokas and the couple taking their
: vows around the fire. The atheist me, never understood the Bengali commie
: hypocrisy.

A couple of points which might lessen your
bafflement.

Hypocrisy is one of the most widespread of
human traits. There is always a dissonance
between what we want to be and what we
are. We are all hypocrites, to a more or less
degree.

Also, one can be an atheist and yet practise
rituals. Practising ritual is yet another
overwhelmingly widespread human trait. If
you give up the fire ritual and the slokas,
you then invent the circumambulating the
Lenin's corpse ritual, the Mayday parade ritual
etc. Rituals will always be with us. It has
nothing to do with theism or atheism.
Khushwant Singh is an atheist, and yet wears
the Sikh turban.

Aren't atheists human too ? Why should they give
up ritual ?

RS

[Indranil]

Srabani Banerjee (baner...@osu.edu) wrote:
: Anindya Ghoshal wrote:

: > Abdul Halim-er chele Faroukh Halim ekti Bongo Hindu romoni-r songe "date"

: > korchilo.Parar dada-der diye meyeti-r baap Faroukh-ke ekdin besh pyatani
: > diyechilen. Onekdin desh-er bondhu-der songe kono jogajog nei, tobe sunechi
: > Faroukh oi romoni-r songe elope korechilo..Speaker Baap prochur boro_lok,
: > Chadni Chowk-er onektai own koren tara, kintu ultimately Faroukh bhaya-r
: > ki dosha hoyechilo thik janina.

: ei diye ki proman hoy Anindya? ami taao je du-chaarTe bangali
: hindu-musholman-er biye-r kotha jani, tar beshirbhaag-i bangali-der
: modhyei. `jaat' miliye biye korar byapar-ta amar dekha modhyobitto
: bangalider modhye praay uThe gechhe bollei chole. ebar-e bolo dekhi
: arekbar tomar shei liberal bondhuder goppo.

ekhane Thik point-Ta ki jani na tai off the point
bolchhi hoyto. kintu bibahadi karje jat pat-er byepar
manaTa ekTa biraaT bhul. shastrogyo manush janen je -
"striyaah dushkulaadopi" - orthat meye jerokom-i pao
chheRo na. Rammohun Ray-er por theke ei shob shastreshu
kothitong kichhu kichhu palte jugopojogi kore nebar
shoukhinota bangalider modhye dekha gyachhe. amra jokhon
bibahojogyo chhilam tokhon loke bolto - biye korbe boRoloker
meye, prem korbe jotro totro.

biyer phyachang-Tai oboshyo
kichhudin por uThe jete pare. amader shomoye-i uThe jeto.
kintu catering industry prochondo lobby kore bNachiye
rekhechhe. tobe Mamata Banerjee (trinamool) kichhudin age
JU-te ekTi oshadharon political chal khele bolechhen
sraadhye jodi duTo khaoya-r niyom kora jay tahole ki catering
industry tader pro-biye stance-Ta punorbibechona korbe?
Jyoti Basu (CPI-M) kintu shedin-i er ghor protibaad kore
janiyechhen je sraadhye ekTi khaoya-o khaoyabar tini biruddhe.
"pran thakte ami er mokabila korbo" tini bolen. er obyobohito
pore onake shwashkoshTer jonyo Bell-view-te bhorti kora hoy...

bhoy nei, ei khobor-guli kal jit ingreji doinik theke keTe
confirm korben...

over and all...

IDG

[Anindya Ghoshal]

Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
>
> > > dNaRa, dNaRa - baaje bokish na. e to heavy goppo!! Jyotibabu biye baRite
> > > make-up laagiye jaan?? ki make-up, Anindya??
> >
> > Jyoti_Baboo oti soukin manush. Ooni sei J. C. Sengupta-r porjai poren.
> > Tobe onake niye moskara maraar dristhrota nai !! ;)..
>
> dhus! bore kore dile to.

Jyoti_Baboo guru_jon lok! Sanatan Bangali_ra (Conservatives) ta_ke ni_ye mos_kora
korchi sun_le je cha cha korbe..tar upor jodi sanatan-bongo-commie hoi tahole
ar kothai nei! Already-to dekchi Mr. Partho ? Young Bengal-er opo-brongsho
bolchen.

>
>
> ei diye ki proman hoy Anindya? ami taao je du-chaarTe bangali
> hindu-musholman-er biye-r kotha jani, tar beshirbhaag-i bangali-der
> modhyei. `jaat' miliye biye korar byapar-ta amar dekha modhyobitto
> bangalider modhye praay uThe gechhe bollei chole. ebar-e bolo dekhi
> arekbar tomar shei liberal bondhuder goppo.
>

Tai? Tomar motey adhunik Bangali modhyo-bitto poribaar-e Hindoo_Musalman-er
modye biye-tey kono problem hoinaa? Ar "Jaat" miliye biye koraar byapaar-ta
praay u_the geche? I beg to differ very strongly and I still think most
arranged marriages amongst middle class Bengalis do take into account jaat
and gotro and horoscope and what have you..but surely their dominance have
come down heavily in the last couple of decades especially when Bengalees
are getting more flexible in their co-ed college lives.

>
> o, tumi ki tahole shudhu ishkul-jibone-r liberalism niye kotha bolchhile
> naki?

ok ..take a step back..what are you aiming at to define? Social or
fiscal liberalism?

>
> ar D'Souza-ra
> > Australia baa Canada chole jaan. Ar Chakraborty-ra ki koren ta jodi jantam
> > tahole onyo kichu liktam!!
>
> khNoj-o niye dekho na ki koren? taar aagei ato kichhu likhe dile?

ar somoi nei dekhar..ekhon watch-list-er priority different.

>
> Srabani

A.

[Arindam]

Rajiv writes:

>
>However, most of this "adda" style conversations were plain "nyakami".
>Boring.
>

"Nyakami"- perhaps; "boring" - maante parlam na....

-Arindam

[Anindya Ghoshal]

Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> > > Have you kept track of what that Khaitan or D'Souza is doing now? In Loreto
> > > Bowbazar, we had a class of 35 of which 10 were bengali. Except for 3 of the
> > > non - Bengali girls, all and I repeat all got married by 20 and are perfectly
> > > happy house wives now. Of the 10 Bengali girls, about 5 are professionals who
> > > have build a career for themselves. Kake bole liberal, bhai? Oi school kete
> > > pasher boy's school-er cheleder shonge kara easily 'date'-e giyechilo - sheta
> > > defines your liberalism? Give me a break!!
> >
> > besh "break" dile, "skid" korbe..er modye bhule gele??????? A "happy housewife"
> > can be a "liberal" while a "professional" can be a "conservative"!
>
> Sure - and a happy housewife can be a happy professional and lots of
> other things, Anindya. That's not the point. The point is that you

Agreed a happy housewife can a happy professional and a happy professional
can be a happy housewife..I've no problems in that assertion. I was only
trying to point out Chaitali's falacious contention of that somehow being
a professional is linked to being socially liberal. My contention that
social liberalism and social conservativeness have little to with
what one does in his/her professional life.

> started painting things in black and white.

Which one did you feel that I've painted things in absolute binary?
My contention had been that middle and upper class Bengalees are socially
conservative. Now your degree of social liberalism and conservatism might
be different from mine which I accept.

>
> I don't
> > see how personal beliefs in social conservatism and social liberalism can be
> > somehow construed to be in what somebody is doing in her/his professional or
> > personal life.
>
> What??? And yet, personal beliefs about `dating', and that too, in a few
> young girls you knew in school, can be extrapolated to generalize the
> entire Bengali middle-class as `conservative'? Let me reiterate
> Chaitali's question - What constitues your idea of liberalism, Anindya?
> And please - don't give me that antithesis-of-Bengali-values nonsense.
> Its a terrible cop-out - and you know that.

If you want to define Bengali middle-class as liberal, fine..come up with
specific instances what might give me an idea what you are trying to establish
here.
I've already given quite a few instances which should give you an idea
of my view. Since you guys want to dispute my contention, the ball clearly
lies in your court.
I'll actually go ahead and label Bengali middle and upper classes as not
only socially conservative, but repressive and regressive. It is repressive
as it throttles creativeness and forces kids into archaic mode of education
which is nothing but a nightmare to all who goes through it and survives it.
It is a sexually repressed and regressive society probably awaiting a new
generation to make a similar Parisian May '68 sexual revolution happen.
It is socially conservative as it fails to see the change that is taking
place all around the World, still clutching to its pretentious leftism, capable
of only passing a snide remark. It is repressive as it brutally suppress
individual entreprenuership. I can see I'm making hardly any friends here
but to further butress I'll quote Sayan's thoughts on Bengali middle and upper
class society as I totally agree with his views here:

" The Bengali middle and upper classes contain some of the
most horrible specimens of humanity ever known to exist on
the planet. Hypocrisy and false vanities are very prevalent
among these class. Associated with this is often a Victorian
prudery that these classes acquired in the
last century from coming into contact with the British.
As a topping, you will often find them taking it
as a gospel truth that they are always morally superior.
I dislike them rather intensely and in general I
try to avoid these blowhards. "

>
> Srabani

A.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

chai...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <35997FFF...@teamqsi.com>,
> Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:
>
> > > Prothomoto, ato baro post scb-te kora nishedh achhe. Porte giye chokh kharap
> > > hoye jaye.
> >
> > contact lens pore ne_wah bhalo..
>
> Tar cheye ektu choto kore lekho na...
>
> > Sayan can tell you that this Bangali-r Biplob had been a topic of great
> > conversation at SCB years ago. So don't want to go into it..
>
> Eto sheyi 1900 shatoke ke kobe ki alochona korechilo...tayi aar korbo na. Eta
> kamon karon re baba!!!

Because I hardly can see how I'll learn anything new from that discussion.

>
> >
> > Nope never seen such an event in my life in any engineering institution.
> > Sophomore year-e Fluid Mechanics-er class thaakto Monday morning-e.
> > Once few of us arrived a minute later than Eight o'clock. Dr. Talapatra
> > walked across the room, and shut the door in front of us. Asked us
> > in his deep voice to comeback next day.
>
> Orom udaharon amadero achhe. Rastaye prochondo traffic-e atke giye 10 min late
> hoyechilum class-e bole sir dhukte dayeni. Doesn't prove a thing. Engineering
> college-e politics-er jonno class na kora korto na student-ra? Chile kon deshe
> tumi?

Surely we had been to different countries in different time in our
lives. To my knowledge, I haven't heard of any engineering classes
being stopped and the professor being forced out in the middle of a lecture
so we can enjoy a lecture on American imperialism from a student political
activist. I haven't seen it happen, I haven't heard it happen. Now you
possibly know something I don't know here.

>
> >
> > I spoke of my own experiences only. I cannot vouch for anybody other than
> > myself and my own experiences.
>
> Sheyi to. That is exactly my point. Tomar dujon gujrati bondhu bhalo chilo aar
> duto bangali bondhu bhalo chilo na maane ei noye je overall gurjati-ra bhalo
> aar bangali-ra kharap.

I haven't stated that Bengalis are all bad and Gujuratis are all good. I've
stated that my Gujarati friends (which BTW is far more than just two)
were with me during difficult times while the Bengali ones weren't. Please,
do not try to put words in my mouth!

> > >
> > > Define "liberal" for me, please.
> >
> > Anti-thesis of what constitutes to be traditional in a middle and upper class
> > of Bengali society. Go figure..!! ;)
>
> Go figure bole paar pabe bhebechho? 80's-e dating shobdota tato common chilo
> na, tayi shune keu bhuru kNuchke thakte pare. Doesn't mean tara conservative
> chilo.

So what am I supposed to think about them??

>
> >
> > You went to a very conservative school..rather unfortunately..
>
> Tomar lekhate Loreto'r naam chilo he!
>

I specifically mentioned Loreto, Middleton Row..the others at BowBAzaar,
Dharamtollah, etc are definitely far more conservative than LMR and hence
I didn't mention them.

> A "happy housewife"
> > can be a "liberal" while a "professional" can be a "conservative"! I don't
> > see how personal beliefs in social conservatism and social liberalism can be
> > somehow construed to be in what somebody is doing in her/his professional or
> > personal life.
>
> O. Taar maane liberal shudhu depend kore akjon Ma taar school going meyeke
> "date"-e jete debe kina arekta school going cheler shonge, taar opor right?
> Tomar oi oporer definition of liberal being "antithesis of middle class"-er
> opor depend kore amar data. Beshir bhaag middle class indian girls are still
> housewives, fole jara nijeder-ke professional korechhe tara are liberal by
> your definition only.

It is incredible form of debating: You're defining yourself the definition
and then protesting against it as if it was my contention.
I've nothing else to say.

>
> > > > I still remember, the shocked look on one of my childhood
> > > friend's face when the word "date" dropped in the middle of our engrossed
> > > conversation.
> > >
> > > So what? Dating was not much of an indian concept. Jara exposed to western
> > > culture chilo, they knew what dating was. Others didn't. Doesn't prove or
> > > disprove anybody's liberalism - does it?
> >
> > Ei_to sedin nijei Gandharva bibhabo niye lecture dicchiley and how it existed
> > in ancient India. How do you think it was possible in Indian society if dating
> > wasn't around to initiate the whole relationship in the first place?? Me is
> > confused..show the light!
>
> Tumi je confised tate amar dimot neyi. Gandharba-te dating hoto anek cheler
> shonge, erom udaharon kothaye pele tumi? Jato puran, ramayan. mohabharat-er
> galpo achhe, tate khoob kodachit kono meye nijer gota jibone stayed with more
> than 2 men. Aar dating korchhe aneker shonge erom udaharon besh kom. Exception
> achhe, like Kunti, Draupadi....But they were exceptions and not rules.
> Dating-ta moteyo indian concept noye. Taye school-er chele meyeder dating,
> moteyo akhono common in India noye.

Taa Radha_Krishna ki korchilen? Ota_ke ki dating bola jabe? It is strange
if all these events were exceptions then what do you think were the general
rule? Is it so hard to admit that Bengali middle and upper society is a
bloody conservative one and needs fresh air of liberalism in it? If it is
really that hard: then I've no further comments to make.

>
> > Bengalis are in general more conservative than their counterparts in Delhi
> > or Bombay. You may not believe in this generalization but methinks so..
>
> Achha ebaar Dilli, Bombay holo.... Jekono jayegateyi first generation
> immigrant-ra ektu less conservative hoye. Kichhudin pora tara more
> conservative than people back home hoye jaye as time for them stops after a

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> time. Eta known phenomenon. Nothing special for Bengalis about it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting..seems to be a climbdown from the earlier platform.

>
>
> > A+
>
> Kadin por erom bhabe nijer initial likhi na bole, conservative bolbe.

Nothing special about it. It means "C'ya (See You)" in French. I think I've
clarified it before. There is nothing worse than a below the belt cheap-shot.

>
> Chaitali

I've stated things from my own perspectives, my own experiences. I do not
expect others to agree with my contentions. However, I do not apologize
for what I'm or what I believe in. I strongly believe and feel that
Bengali middle and upper class society is a bloody, shoddy, socially
conservative, regressive and repressive society. Period.

A.

[Srabani Banerjee]

Anindya Ghoshal wrote:

> > Sure - and a happy housewife can be a happy professional and lots of
> > other things, Anindya. That's not the point. The point is that you
>
> Agreed a happy housewife can a happy professional and a happy professional
> can be a happy housewife..I've no problems in that assertion. I was only
> trying to point out Chaitali's falacious contention of that somehow being
> a professional is linked to being socially liberal.

Well, from what I read she was merely pointing out to your fallacious
contention that liberalism was defined by whether people dated in high
school.

My contention that
> social liberalism and social conservativeness have little to with
> what one does in his/her professional life.

Anindya, will you accept that it is slightly more acceptable among
Bengalis for women to work outside their homes than it is among some
other communities in Calcutta? Will you accept that probably fewer
Bengali girls from the schools you mentioned were bundled off into an
early marriage than their Marwari counterparts? I think this was what
Chaitali wanted to point out. Don't you still get it?

> If you want to define Bengali middle-class as liberal, fine..

Not so fast, Anindya! I did not define Bengali middle-class as liberal.
I believe that we have more than our fair share of conservatism.
I am simply astounded that you can claim that the average Khaitan was
more liberal than the average Chakravorty simply because one dated you
and the other did not. Since this is anecdote time, Anindya - I had
friends in school who were good students, wanted to be lots of things
and ended up as mothers by the time they were twenty. And none of them
were Bengalis. From my experience in a Calcutta school where roughly
fifty percent of the students belonged to other communities - I feel
fortunate that I was born into a Bengal middle class family. I did not
make a lot of choices in my life - but I am sure that the few I made
would perhaps not have been available to me had I belonged to any of the
communities that some of my friends belonged to.

come up with
> specific instances what might give me an idea what you are trying to establish
> here.

Nothing much. I am not out to prove that we are the best. I was just
trying to show you that what you are saying could perhaps better
describe people from other communities. We are not unique in our
conservatism.

> I've already given quite a few instances which should give you an idea
> of my view. Since you guys want to dispute my contention, the ball clearly
> lies in your court.
> I'll actually go ahead and label Bengali middle and upper classes as not
> only socially conservative, but repressive and regressive. It is repressive
> as it throttles creativeness and forces kids into archaic mode of education
> which is nothing but a nightmare to all who goes through it and survives it.

Where is it different, Anindya?

> It is a sexually repressed and regressive society probably awaiting a new
> generation to make a similar Parisian May '68 sexual revolution happen.

Or things might change gradually. Are you a great believer in
revolution?

> It is socially conservative as it fails to see the change that is taking
> place all around the World, still clutching to its pretentious leftism, capable
> of only passing a snide remark.

What changes? What snide remarks? Are we still talking about social
conservatism?

> " The Bengali middle and upper classes contain some of the
> most horrible specimens of humanity ever known to exist on
> the planet. Hypocrisy and false vanities are very prevalent
> among these class. Associated with this is often a Victorian
> prudery that these classes acquired in the
> last century from coming into contact with the British.
> As a topping, you will often find them taking it
> as a gospel truth that they are always morally superior.
> I dislike them rather intensely and in general I
> try to avoid these blowhards. "

Sayan wouldn't answer me - I hope you might tell me why you are so fond
of posting on SCB. Hoping for a revolution? :)

Srabani

[Srabani Banerjee]

Anindya Ghoshal wrote:

> >
> > ei diye ki proman hoy Anindya? ami taao je du-chaarTe bangali
> > hindu-musholman-er biye-r kotha jani, tar beshirbhaag-i bangali-der
> > modhyei. `jaat' miliye biye korar byapar-ta amar dekha modhyobitto
> > bangalider modhye praay uThe gechhe bollei chole. ebar-e bolo dekhi
> > arekbar tomar shei liberal bondhuder goppo.
> >
>
> Tai? Tomar motey adhunik Bangali modhyo-bitto poribaar-e Hindoo_Musalman-er
> modye biye-tey kono problem hoinaa?

taai bollam naki? kothay?

Ar "Jaat" miliye biye koraar byapaar-ta
> praay u_the geche? I beg to differ very strongly and I still think most
> arranged marriages amongst middle class Bengalis do take into account jaat
> and gotro and horoscope and what have you..

Anindya, horoscope niye bishesh kichhu bolo na bujhle - amar obhiggyotay
tomar `liberal' west-er lokeder eshob kushongshkar bindumatro kom noy.

but surely their dominance have
> come down heavily in the last couple of decades especially when Bengalees
> are getting more flexible in their co-ed college lives.

> > o, tumi ki tahole shudhu ishkul-jibone-r liberalism niye kotha bolchhile
> > naki?
>
> ok ..take a step back..what are you aiming at to define? Social or
> fiscal liberalism?

`social', of course. tai niyei kotha hochchhilo na?

Srabani

[Anindya Ghoshal]

Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
>
> > > Sure - and a happy housewife can be a happy professional and lots of
> > > other things, Anindya. That's not the point. The point is that you
> >
> > Agreed a happy housewife can a happy professional and a happy professional
> > can be a happy housewife..I've no problems in that assertion. I was only
> > trying to point out Chaitali's falacious contention of that somehow being
> > a professional is linked to being socially liberal.
>
> Well, from what I read she was merely pointing out to your fallacious
> contention that liberalism was defined by whether people dated in high
> school.

Funny contention indeed: I first stated an opinion then I backed it up
by my own life experiences. Dating being a stigma was an example of Bengali
conservatism. Now here you are claiming that my contention is: "liberalism
was defined by whether people dated in high school"! Now are you and Chaitali
not putting the cart before the horse? Am I not bemused!

> school.

>
> My contention that
> > social liberalism and social conservativeness have little to with
> > what one does in his/her professional life.
>
> Anindya, will you accept that it is slightly more acceptable among
> Bengalis for women to work outside their homes than it is among some
> other communities in Calcutta? Will you accept that probably fewer
> Bengali girls from the schools you mentioned were bundled off into an
> early marriage than their Marwari counterparts? I think this was what
> Chaitali wanted to point out. Don't you still get it?

I doubt Chaitali's contention. So far as my knowledge goes quite a few
of my friends from those schools are doing well in professional life.

>
> > If you want to define Bengali middle-class as liberal, fine..
>
> Not so fast, Anindya! I did not define Bengali middle-class as liberal.
> I believe that we have more than our fair share of conservatism.
> I am simply astounded that you can claim that the average Khaitan was
> more liberal than the average Chakravorty simply because one dated you
> and the other did not. Since this is anecdote time, Anindya - I had
> friends in school who were good students, wanted to be lots of things
> and ended up as mothers by the time they were twenty. And none of them
> were Bengalis. From my experience in a Calcutta school where roughly
> fifty percent of the students belonged to other communities - I feel
> fortunate that I was born into a Bengal middle class family. I did not
> make a lot of choices in my life - but I am sure that the few I made
> would perhaps not have been available to me had I belonged to any of the
> communities that some of my friends belonged to.

You were probably lucky to have gone to a school where 50% were Bengalis.
In my high school class only 7 out of a class of 54 were Bengalis, more than
25 were Gujarathis. Rest were distributed between Punjabis, Chinese,
Anglo Indians, Tamils, Keralites et al. My insight into other communities
tells me most of above what you wrote are gross generalizations of
what middle and upper Bengalis would like to think about other communities
and get a feeling of how superior they are! It is rather obnoxiously
naive of Bengalis to think this way as other communities in India are
marching way-ahead of Bengalis in every field.

>
> come up with
> > specific instances what might give me an idea what you are trying to establish
> > here.
>
> Nothing much. I am not out to prove that we are the best. I was just
> trying to show you that what you are saying could perhaps better
> describe people from other communities. We are not unique in our
> conservatism.

You're merely reproducing the commonly-held prejudices that Bengalis
like to harbor against other Indian communities and kind of feel superior
and complacent about their own ineptness.

>
> > I've already given quite a few instances which should give you an idea
> > of my view. Since you guys want to dispute my contention, the ball clearly
> > lies in your court.
> > I'll actually go ahead and label Bengali middle and upper classes as not
> > only socially conservative, but repressive and regressive. It is repressive
> > as it throttles creativeness and forces kids into archaic mode of education
> > which is nothing but a nightmare to all who goes through it and survives it.
>
> Where is it different, Anindya?

???? are you serious???

>
> > It is a sexually repressed and regressive society probably awaiting a new
> > generation to make a similar Parisian May '68 sexual revolution happen.
>
> Or things might change gradually. Are you a great believer in
> revolution?

Such things hardly happen gradually in a socially repressive society.
History proves that it had happened in Young Bengal, it had happened
in Western World in late 60s. Failure to learn from History would
again deal a blow the socially conservative Bengali society. It is not
a question of what I personally believe in. It doesn't matter.

>
> > It is socially conservative as it fails to see the change that is taking
> > place all around the World, still clutching to its pretentious leftism, capable
> > of only passing a snide remark.
>
> What changes? What snide remarks? Are we still talking about social
> conservatism?

yes we are.

>
> > " The Bengali middle and upper classes contain some of the
> > most horrible specimens of humanity ever known to exist on
> > the planet. Hypocrisy and false vanities are very prevalent
> > among these class. Associated with this is often a Victorian
> > prudery that these classes acquired in the
> > last century from coming into contact with the British.
> > As a topping, you will often find them taking it
> > as a gospel truth that they are always morally superior.
> > I dislike them rather intensely and in general I
> > try to avoid these blowhards. "
>
> Sayan wouldn't answer me - I hope you might tell me why you are so fond
> of posting on SCB. Hoping for a revolution? :)

Because previously this was the only way I remained in touch what happening
in Bengal and Bengalis in general. I didn't know anybody had problem
with that? And what has posting at SCB go to do with believing that
upper and middle class Bengali society is socially conservative,
regressive, and repressive? Would you kindly explain?

>
> Srabani

A.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

For once I'll have to agree with your notes. They
are definitely profound and bespeaks of an intellectual mind.
thanks,
Anindo.

[Anindya Ghoshal]

Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
>
> > >

> > > ei diye ki proman hoy Anindya? ami taao je du-chaarTe bangali
> > > hindu-musholman-er biye-r kotha jani, tar beshirbhaag-i bangali-der
> > > modhyei. `jaat' miliye biye korar byapar-ta amar dekha modhyobitto
> > > bangalider modhye praay uThe gechhe bollei chole. ebar-e bolo dekhi
> > > arekbar tomar shei liberal bondhuder goppo.
> > >
> >
> > Tai? Tomar motey adhunik Bangali modhyo-bitto poribaar-e Hindoo_Musalman-er
> > modye biye-tey kono problem hoinaa?
>
> taai bollam naki? kothay?

so what were you contention then?

>
> Ar "Jaat" miliye biye koraar byapaar-ta
> > praay u_the geche? I beg to differ very strongly and I still think most
> > arranged marriages amongst middle class Bengalis do take into account jaat
> > and gotro and horoscope and what have you..
>
> Anindya, horoscope niye bishesh kichhu bolo na bujhle - amar obhiggyotay
> tomar `liberal' west-er lokeder eshob kushongshkar bindumatro kom noy.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Since when did "the liberal west" become "Mine"?? Very interesting slant
indeed. Superstitions had been part of human society since ages. But here
I thought you said and I quote: " `jaat' miliye biye korar byapar-ta amar
dekha modhyobitto bangalider modhye praay uThe gechhe bollei chole" !!!!
I was merely contradicting your contention which I feel is falacious.

>
> but surely their dominance have
> > come down heavily in the last couple of decades especially when Bengalees
> > are getting more flexible in their co-ed college lives.
>
> > > o, tumi ki tahole shudhu ishkul-jibone-r liberalism niye kotha bolchhile
> > > naki?
> >
> > ok ..take a step back..what are you aiming at to define? Social or
> > fiscal liberalism?
>
> `social', of course. tai niyei kotha hochchhilo na?

I've already given my reasons and stated what I believe in. This debate
is going no-where. Hence I'm off, I guess.
>
> Srabani

bonjour,
Anindo.

[par...@soli.inav.net]

In article <359A70F2...@teamqsi.com>,

Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:
>
> par...@soli.inav.net wrote:
> >

> > In article <3599885F...@teamqsi.com>,

> > Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > BTW I'm a proud supporter of Young Bengal. On anyday the likes
> > > of Derozio or Pyaari Chand would make my day. Jaan ghore giye
> >
> > Shei jonnei to Young Bengal bolini, tar apobhrangsho bolechhi, Madhusudan
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Dutta'r 'Ekei Ki baley Shobbhota'ta arekbar jhaliye nin, ki boltey
cheyechhi,
> > sheta spashto habey.
>
> Thank you for your reference. I've read that one and don't feel it
> necessary to read it again. For your reference, I would suggest to you
> to look up the website: http://www.fau.edu/rinaldi/net/index.htm
> for a proper understanding of Netiquette and USENET posting.
> Each one of us looks at this World uniquely and through our own eyes
> and experiences. I guess for people like you to denigrate others
> even without having a clue what he/she is talking about only
> manifests the type of person you are and your background.
> Rest is deleted as you've clearly no clue what I'm talking about.
> Thanks,
> Anindo.
>

I couldn't see where I have crossed the limits of netiquette - if you can
quote from my posts and point it to me, I'd definitely apologize to you. I
agree I had been a bit acerbic, but I think that they are part of the game,
because what I slanted at is not Anindyo Ghoshal but a mind-set, but if that
has hurt you personally, I apologize.

I would really like to know what type of person I really am and which
background I really come from, only if you'd be kind enough (as Bankim Chandra
said, 'Bangali ekti atmo-bismrito jati').

One thing I can say that I did never have the opportunity to be invited to
any social ceremony where a dignitary was a guest, so, you see I come from a
not so accomplished background compared to you and ask your forgiveness for
forgetting my background. As I seem to be uninitiated to the netiquette, is
it that the boundary of netiquette for those from a privileged background has
been pushed a little back compared to that for us, the hoi polloi? Please
enlighten.

P.S : Oh, I remember now, I made a few posts in Bengali, whereas you stuck to
English, that's a definite breach of netiquette, I apologize, but in that case
I have to desist from making quite a few posts, my lacunae of course.

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <359A0DBF...@osu.edu>,
Srabani Banerjee <baner...@osu.edu> wrote:

> ghapTi mere shob-i poRo tahole!!

Bohudin poRa hoye othe ni. Tobe hNaRi'r ekta chaal tipei ...

> anyway, welcome back! tumi je Wall Street chheRe SCB bNachate neme poRle
> e kotha nahoy amra ekta notun charter baniye likhe-tikhe debo. tumi
> shudhu ektu precondition chhaRai Shubu-babur kachhe khoma cheye nao na.

Tomar biye'te Shubu'ke nemontonno korechho?

> Srabani

Apra.

[par...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <35997FFF...@teamqsi.com>,
Anindya Ghoshal <ani...@teamqsi.com> wrote:

>
> chai...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Prothomoto, ato baro post scb-te kora nishedh achhe. Porte giye chokh kharap
> > hoye jaye.
>
> contact lens pore ne_wah bhalo..
>
> >

> > Anindo likhechhe :
> >
[deleted]

> >
> > Sheto deshe rail station-e "Our customers are most important" jatiyo shob
> > logoyi oxymoron. Shudhu CU-ke galagal dile je? Tomader Sibpur-e erom hoto na
~~~~~~~
> > bujhi?

>
> Nope never seen such an event in my life in any engineering institution.
> Sophomore year-e Fluid Mechanics-er class thaakto Monday morning-e.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Once few of us arrived a minute later than Eight o'clock. Dr. Talapatra
> walked across the room, and shut the door in front of us. Asked us
> in his deep voice to comeback next day.
>

Is this about B. E. College, Shibpur, Distt. Howrah? I didn't know they call
it 'Sophomore' year there. When we studied engineering we refered to Second
year, may be because I attended a not so elite institute.

- Thanks,

Partha

[Raghu Seshadri]

Anindya Ghoshal (ani...@teamqsi.com) wrote:
: expect others to agree with my contentions. However, I do not apologize

: for what I'm or what I believe in. I strongly believe and feel that
: Bengali middle and upper class society is a bloody, shoddy, socially
: conservative, regressive and repressive society. Period.

Has it ever occurred to you that conservatism
is a universal mark of being upper class ?
That it must be so ?

An insecure class which has no influence
on other classes and longs for change
CANNOT be an upper class, can it ? An
upper class has to be conservative, it has
to be able to be repressive etc.
Otherwise it is not deserving of the name.

RS

[Rajib Doogar]

Arindam (ari...@aol.com) wrote:

boTei to! Bistrito (emon ki oprishimito) nyakami je boring na-o hote
paare ei gudho ebong mohot shotter punor-abhishkarer hetui na rochoita
Babu jatir srisTi korecchilen!! Balyokale poDa kon ek bismrito
lekhoker ekTi ukti mone elo. moTamuTi tNar boktobyo eirup je

The essential part of the education of every good Whig was a mastery
of the fine art of whiling away time in the most expensive and useless
manner concievable by the human mind.

Shotti, apnar (jodio apnar ekar noy) uktite mone ekTai proshno jaage:
mukhochondro obikrito rakhiya emon bistor maal choDaibar khomota
Bangali bhinno onno kono jatir emon bhuri bhuri porimane acche ki?

pacche abar keu gotro/pitritto/utshyo niye TanaTani kore, aagethekei
porichoi diye shesh korcchi aaj ...

aar ek obangali bongoshontaner shubheccha neben

--
Rajib Doogar http://www.nd.edu/~rdoogar
375 College of Business Administration
University of Notre Dame Ph: (219) 631 6499
Notre Dame, IN 46556-0339 Fax: (219) 631 5255

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Think as I think," said a man, "or you are abominably wicked: You are a
toad." And after I had thought of it, I said, "I will, then, be a toad."
-- Stephen Crane
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Arindam (ari...@aol.com) wrote:

:
:

--
Rajib Doogar http://www.nd.edu/~rdoogar
375 College of Business Administration
University of Notre Dame Ph: (219) 631 6499
Notre Dame, IN 46556-0339 Fax: (219) 631 5255

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Think as I think," said a man, "or you are abominably wicked: You are a
toad." And after I had thought of it, I said, "I will, then, be a toad."
-- Stephen Crane
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <6ndo2h$mf4$1...@news1.bu.edu>,
dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil) wrote:

> bhule-o keu bhabben na je uporer lekhaTa ashol Apratim-er
> lekha. e holo shei durjon jonota je/jara Apratim-er name
> roTona roTonti. Apratim akhon phaTkay prochonDo byasto -
> dom phelbar shomoy nei. gotobar Boston-e giye tar shathe
> erokom ekTa kothopokothon hoyechhilo:
>
> IDG: ato poysha diye ki korbe Apra?
>
> Apra: Sayan-ke kinbo.
>
> IDG: ta she to akhon-i kinte paro. deri kisher?
>
> Apra: ;-) arekTu dNaRao na, daam aro poRbe....

Sayan'r biye'te joutuk dile hoy ...

> IDG

Apra.

[ap...@my-dejanews.com]

In article <6ndjea$9dg$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
shu...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> Perhaps there are more profitable things to do.

SCB'te Sayan'r commune'r online IPO korbo bhabchhi. Apni acchen?

> Rajiv