Onekdin-er Onobhyaash...Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE:
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(Sharmila-di - subject/naam-ta ichchhe korle bodle diyo. Indrani)
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Public demand-e ebaar onyo angle.....
Discrimination niye onek kothai bola holo ebong aapnara shobtai
sportingly niyechen. Tar jonyo dhonyobaad. Tobe apnader uttor-guli dekhe
mone hochchilo je aei manoshikota-r pechone onekta conditioning aache
ebong tar jonyo bodh hoi cheleder khub aykta dayie kora jai na. Jyamon
dhorun aamra onek bisho-aei equality niye chNecha-mechi kore thaaki,
kintu botoler chipi khultey giye jokhon him-shim khai, tokhon botol-ti
shamne dNariye thaka purusher dikei bariye dei. Cheshta korle chipi je
aykdom khola jaabe na, ta kintu noi, kintu..... Aar chelera-o aei
byabohaar-e bindu matro obaak hon na(conditioning?). Boltey lojja korchey
nishchoi, kintu okopot-e shikaar korchi aykdin lab-e ekaki kaaj korar
shomoi jokhon onek cheshta kore-o reagent bottle khulte parchilaam na,
tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali chele
corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar
haat theke niye khule dilo. oboshyo oke-o bhalo moton beg pete
hoyechilo, :). Or shongey aykjon american chele chilo, jar mukh dekhe
bujhlaam je she puro byaparta dekhe besh obaak hoye gyache. Aei rokom
byapar-shyapar bodh hoi e deshe khub aykta chokhe pore na. Aabar dhorun
koekjon mile jokhon berate berono hoi, tokhon gas station-e gari thaamle
laaf diye pore coke aar chips aantey aamra shobai raaji, kintu rasta-r
dhaare gari kharap hole aamra neme garir cheye shudur digonter dike beshi
interested hoye pori. Shonger chelera-o kintu ta dekhe khub aykta obaak
hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
kotha na bole parchina. Durgapur thekey kolkata feraar pothe aykbaar
doley ami ayakai meye, baki shob chele. Uthe dekhi boshar jaiga matro
ayktai. Doler bakira aamakei boshte onurodh kore, aami-o kichutei raji
hobo na, karon aamar mote dNariye thaakte aami equally capable. Shesh
porjontyo aykjon chelei boshlo. Kintu she je ki koshto niye shara rasta
boshe chilo, tar mukh dekhe bojha jaachchilo. She na parche boshte, na
parche uthte. Tar shei bhishon discomfort-er mukh aamar aakhono mone
aache. Tokhon bujhechilaam je aei `conditioning' kotota deep-rooted. Eti
dur hote besh shomoi laagbe. Aamader shobaike dhoirjyo dhortey hobe,
ebong eta na bole parchina, kichuta ojotha meyelipona-o chartey hobe.
Aamar aei lekhar jonyo Pramila-bahini jodi aamar mundu-paat
kortey chaan, tobe nirbhoi-e egiye ashun, aami matha pete-i aachi, :)
Sharmila
--
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, TX 77030
e-mail: s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu
Indranil DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
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: (Sharmila-di - subject/naam-ta ichchhe korle bodle diyo. Indrani)
[..]
: tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali chele
: corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
: korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar
Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
[..]
: hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
: eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri? Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
thakbe na? Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
Indranil.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani, eta ektu post kore diyo.
Indranil DasGupta wrote:
> [..]
> : tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali chele
> : corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
> : korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar
>
> Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
Aapni je obaak korlen moshai! Cheleti bangali musholmaan, etao dhortey
parlen na? Taajjob ki baat!
> [..]
>
> : hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
> : eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
>
> De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri?
Joruri noi? Aamar to mone hoi aamar purbokto discrimination-er jonyo
aei conditioning onekta dayie.
Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
> thakbe na?
Tofaat kano thaakbe na? Dhush, aapni byaparta dhortei parlen na, :(
Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
Shokh gele makhben boiki, keu to aar marte aashche na!
Sharmila
>
> Indranil.
Srabani Banerjee
Indranil-da wrote:
>Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
>: POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE:
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>
>: (Sharmila-di - subject/naam-ta ichchhe korle bodle diyo. Indrani)
>[..]
>: tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali chele
>: corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
>: korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar>
>
>Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
>[..]
ChhodMo-naam holeo kintu Charles Ferguson-er dharekachhe ashe na.
>: hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
>: eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
>
>De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri? Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
>thakbe na? Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
Na, makhte hobe-i er'om kono katha nishchoi nei. Tobe sher'om kono shupto
bashona jodi thake, ta'le ektu shubidhe kore deoa arki. E byapare aboshyo
apnar UttamKumar onekdin aagei poth dekhiye gyachhen...
regards,
Srabani
Indrani DasGupta
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
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Indranil DasGupta wrote:
>".."
>: tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali
chele
>: corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
>: korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar
>
>Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
Aapni je obaak korlen moshai! Cheleti bangali musholmaan, etao dhortey
parlen na? Tajjob ki baat!
>".."
>
>: hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
>: eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
>
>De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri?
Joruri noi? Aamar to mone hoi aamar purbokto discrimination-er jonyo aei
conditioning onekta dayie.
Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
>thakbe na?
Tofaat kano thaakbe na? Dhush, aapni byaparta dhortei parlen na, :(
>Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
Shokh gele makhben boiki, keu to aar marte aashche na!
Sharmila
>
>Indranil.
Indrani DasGupta
ID2...@american.edu says...
>
>(Sharmila-di - subject/naam-ta ichchhe korle bodle diyo. Indrani)
Request eshechhe naam/subject-ta ektu explain kore dite. Eta Sonar
Kella'y one of the many 'ghyama' pieces of dialogue. Ashol Hajra-ke
khotom korte order asha-y bodhoy Kamu bolechhilo...naki bodhoy nokol
Hazra-i bolechhilo Mukul-ke hypnotize koraar aage...ke jaane,
sMriti-bhrom-o hote paare. (Arnab-babu - thhik bollam ki?)
Anyway...karon-ta holo...amaar kaachhe chhele-meyeder ei uporokto
conditioning-ta khanikta oi nokol Hazra/Kamu-r Onekdiner Onobhyaash-eri
moton. Akshomoy aamra 'equal' chhilaam. Jaar jaar nijer kaaj thhikmoto
shomaan bhaabe bhaag kore nitaam...akhon onobhyaash-e bhule giye confused
hoye gechhi je aamra ke, aar kano-i ba erokom kori.
Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) says...
>
>[..]
>: tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali
chele
>: corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
>: korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar
>
>Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
Aapni ki eta-ke Punjabi naam bhebechhen? Bangali chheleder naam Tanveer
hote paare boiki; echhaDa Sayeed, Salam, Fazlur Rahman, Mujibur, Sirajul,
Nazrul-o hote paare. Aar eNder shonkhya Indranil, Arnab, Sayan, ba Sambit
der thheke onek onek beshi :-)
>[..]
>
>: hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
>: eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
>
>De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri? Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
>thakbe na? Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
>
>Indranil.
Maakhun na...besh dekhabe...
Indrani.
Indranil DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
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Indranil wrote:
: >Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
: Aapni je obaak korlen moshai! Cheleti bangali musholmaan, etao dhortey
: parlen na? Tajjob ki baat!
Akhon dhorte perechhi. Akebare jol hoye gachhe. Ashole kal shokale snan
korar shomoy thanda joler shock kheye smritishokti-ta kinchit durbol
hoye porechhilo. Aj shokale ak-i shower-er tolay abar hrito smriti phire
peyechhi. (Shob-i tomar khela ma! Ak haate nao, ak haate dao!).
Tanvir/Tanwir naamtar akta pharshi
maane-o acche bodh-hoy. Uttorbharote Punjabi Hindu-der modhye onyo orthe
naamta chole ebong tate kicchuta `conditioning' achhe tai ...
: >".."
: >
: >: hon na(aabar shei `conditioning'?). Tai aamar mote de-conditioned hote
: >: eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
: >
: >De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri?
: Joruri noi? Aamar to mone hoi aamar purbokto discrimination-er jonyo aei
: conditioning onekta dayie.
Amar purbokto smriti-lop-er jonyo-o ei (shala) `conditioning' kicchuta dayi.
: Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
: >thakbe na?
: Tofaat kano thaakbe na? Dhush, aapni byaparta dhortei parlen na, :(
Shock khabar por theke haat-ta olpo olpo kNapchhilo. Kintu catch-tao
duruho chhilo ektu.
: >Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
: Shokh gele makhben boiki, keu to aar marte aashche na!
Apnake bolechhe o? Sure janen marbe na?
Indranil.
Syed A. Yousuf
In article <4nfs4n$1...@news.bu.edu>, dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil
DasGupta) wrote:
+Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
+: POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE:
+: ------------------------------
+
+: (Sharmila-di - subject/naam-ta ichchhe korle bodle diyo. Indrani)
+[..]
+: tokhon chokh tule baire taakiye dekhi je amar ayk porichito bangali chele
+: corridor diye hNete jaachche. Aami daure beriye giye or pechone dhaowa
+: korey "Tanvir, eta ektu khule debe?" bolatey o bina bakyo-byay-e aamar
+
+ Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
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Did I miss something? Can you explain why can't 'Tanvir' be a "Bangali
chheler naam"?
ogrim Dhonnobaadantey
Syed A. Yousuf
Apratim Sarkar
ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>
>>Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
>
>Shokh gele makhben boiki, keu to aar marte aashche na!
>
>>
>>Indranil.
E shab ki kuparamarsho dichchhen Sharmiladebi!? Indranil, makhbe
makho, kintu tabe next bar Cambridge Breweries'e mal khete ki
tennis khelte dakle ami nei, e ami age bhagei bole rakhlam.
Apratim.
--
Ghash parjanta durbodhya! mati Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
rahashyamaya; are my own and shouldn't be construed in
Etota rahashya bhalo noi. any way to represent that of my employer.
- Amiyo Chakrabarty.
Apratim Sarkar
ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>>De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri? Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
>>thakbe na? Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
>>
>>Indranil.
>
>Maakhun na...besh dekhabe...
>
>Indrani.
Shabar soundaryabaodh ki ruchi ek dharan'r hoi na. Shabi
personal preference. Tai Indrani'debi'r jodi lipstick-makha
chhele'der 'besh dekhte' mone hoi tabe kashtho hNashi chhaRa
ar ki ba kara jete pare?
Tabe, amar byaktigata dharona, lipstick makhle IDG'ke atyonto
baje dekhabe. Sambit, tomar ki mone hoi?
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
> Tabe, amar byaktigata dharona, lipstick makhle IDG'ke atyonto
> baje dekhabe. Sambit, tomar ki mone hoi?
Sheta depend korchhe, oboshyo, ki rong-er lipstick lagachchhe
taar opor - shobuj ba beguni lagale besh kharap dekhabe
bole-i mone hoy. Shobaike-i dekhay.
Tobe byparta ki jaano, akhon IDG-ke bhalo dekhalo na mondo
dekhalo e janay Barnali chhaDa aar karur bishesh kono
interest aachhe bole mone hoy na. Tumi borong Barnali-r
akta opinion nao. O ghoti meye, ruchi-r byapar-e-o astha
rakha jay.
Oboshyo, amader cinema-y IDG jodi obhinoy korte raaji hoy,
ta'le interest-distribution curve-ta bodle jaabe.
Regards,
Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>Request eshechhe naam/subject-ta ektu explain kore dite. Eta Sonar
>Kella'y one of the many 'ghyama' pieces of dialogue. Ashol Hajra-ke
>khotom korte order asha-y bodhoy Kamu bolechhilo...naki bodhoy nokol
>Hazra-i bolechhilo Mukul-ke hypnotize koraar aage...ke jaane,
>sMriti-bhrom-o hote paare. (Arnab-babu - thhik bollam ki?)
Dwitiyo'ta ...
>Anyway...karon-ta holo...amaar kaachhe chhele-meyeder ei uporokto
>conditioning-ta khanikta oi nokol Hazra/Kamu-r Onekdiner Onobhyaash-eri
>moton. Akshomoy aamra 'equal' chhilaam. Jaar jaar nijer kaaj thhikmoto
>shomaan bhaabe bhaag kore nitaam...akhon onobhyaash-e bhule giye confused
>hoye gechhi je aamra ke, aar kano-i ba erokom kori.
Sharmiladebi, apnder lab'e bottle opener rakhe na? Khub handy
jinish ...
>Indrani.
Indranil DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
[..]
: Nazrul-o hote paare. Aar eNder shonkhya Indranil, Arnab, Sayan, ba Sambit
Data achhe? Amar dharona eka Indranil-der shonkha-i Tanvir kimba Nazrul
kimba Apratim kimba Sayan-der cheye beshi.
Sample data to scb-theke-i neoa jay.
Indranil.
Indrani DasGupta
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Indranil DasGupta wrote:
[Tanvir shonkranto]
>Akhon dhorte perechhi. Akebare jol hoye gachhe. Ashole kal shokale snan
>korar shomoy thanda joler shock kheye smritishokti-ta kinchit durbol
>hoye porechhilo. Aj shokale ak-i shower-er tolay abar hrito smriti phire
>peyechhi. (Shob-i tomar khela ma! Ak haate nao, ak haate dao!).
Ta oi shob shower-tower bhule giye balti-mog dhorlei to paren, tahole aar
shock khete hoi na!
>
>Tanvir/Tanwir naamtar akta pharshi
>maane-o acche bodh-hoy. Uttorbharote Punjabi Hindu-der modhye onyo orthe
>naamta chole ebong tate kicchuta `conditioning' achhe tai ...
Tai naki? Kirokom bolun to?
[chele meyer tofaat thakbe ki thakbe na]
>Amar purbokto smriti-lop-er jonyo-o ei (shala) `conditioning' kicchuta
dayi.
Aei re! Aapni to aahlade aatkhana hoye aakhon shob kichu oi C-word-er
ghare chapiye dichcen. Eta kintu khub onayay! Cholbe na!
>Shock khabar por theke haat-ta olpo olpo kNapchhilo. Kintu catch-tao
>duruho chhilo ektu.
Ta ebaar ball-ta kNuriye dhorechen to?
>
>: >Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
>
>: Shokh gele makhben boiki, keu to aar marte aashche na!
>
>Apnake bolechhe o? Sure janen marbe na?
Sure bolte parbo na, tobey mone hoi khoma-ghenaa kore debe.
>
>Indranil.
Indrani DasGupta
dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) says...
>
>Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
>[..]
>: Nazrul-o hote paare. Aar eNder shonkhya Indranil, Arnab, Sayan, ba
Sambit
>: der thheke onek onek beshi :-)
>
>Data achhe? Amar dharona eka Indranil-der shonkha-i Tanvir kimba Nazrul
>kimba Apratim kimba Sayan-der cheye beshi.
Eta oboshyo amaader ma-der jiggesh kora uchit. 'Indranil' naam-ta amaar
bhai pochhondo korena bole bodol korte gechhilo...amaar ma-r rashi je
shingho sheta tokhon-i bojha jay...aar apnar to e naam-ta-te besh oniha
aachhe bole-i amaar mone hoi...:-)
>Sample data to scb-theke-i neoa jay.
Shorbonaash...aaro 'Indranil' aachhe naki??
>
>Indranil.
Indrani.
Indranil DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
: >Sample data to scb-theke-i neoa jay.
: Shorbonaash...aaro 'Indranil' aachhe naki??
Bah, Indranil Bose, Indranil Chip, Wandering Wombat ..
IDG.
Indrani DasGupta
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) says...
>
>ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>
>>>De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri? Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
>>>thakbe na? Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
>>>
>>>Indranil.
>>
>>Maakhun na...besh dekhabe...
>>
>>Indrani.
>
> Shabar soundaryabaodh ki ruchi ek dharan'r hoi na. Shabi
> personal preference. Tai Indrani'debi'r jodi lipstick-makha
> chhele'der 'besh dekhte' mone hoi tabe kashtho hNashi chhaRa
> ar ki ba kara jete pare?
hNya...apnader(maane purush-der) logic-e oshob maakhle lok-jon-der to
bhaalo-i dekhay...tai bhablaam 'equal' jokhon hote-i chai...ta'le shob
dik diye-i hoyi na kano? Akhon apnader Indranil'da' poth dekhiye
dichchhen...apnara-i ba pechhpa kano?
Tobe oshob maakhle kasthho hNashi-ta bodle dNeto hNaashi deben -
phataphati laagbe!
>
> Apratim.
Indrani.
sayan bhattacharyya
In article <4nli13$m...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Indranil Bose <bosei> wrote:
>kintu shona jaay. Meyeder moddhe Uttara, Urmila sunechi amra sobai kintu
>Draupadi, Kunti, Sourindhree, Dusshola sunechi ki.
The explanation is very simple. In a patriarchal society, the qualities
society valorizes and wishes for in women are meekness, submissiveness
and adherence to the status quo. "Strong" women from mythology, although
glorified in the "ponchokonya smorennityong" shloka, are not preferred
choices for names in a patriarchal society because strong and independent
women are threatening to the patriarchal mindset.
Droupodee was a strong and highly unconventional woman. She took multiple
husbands, talked back to her husbands when necessary (she rebuked Judhishthir
for being a wimp numerous times), put up a good fight against Joyodroth when
the latter tried to kidnap her, and was a resourceful woman who earned her
own living for a while (in the Birat household; she is probably the
only "working woman" in the entire Mahabharata). Needless to say, such a woman
is not acceptable as a role model in a sexist and patriarchal society. This
is why you won't find "Droupodee" as a popular name in Bengali households.
Curiously enough, among tribals, where women enjoy more freedom and society
is less patriarchal, "Droupodee" is quite a common name. Recall that the
name of the Santhal woman who was one of the principal characters in
Mahashweta Devi's "Agni-garbha" was called "Dopdee (i.e. Droupodee) Mejhen".
Indranil DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
: >Shock khabar por theke haat-ta olpo olpo kNapchhilo. Kintu catch-tao
: >duruho chhilo ektu.
: Ta ebaar ball-ta kNuriye dhorechen to?
Na, ota arekbar din to! Slip-e aro dujon-ke dNar korai. Sambit tumi thirdman-e
position niye dNarao to! Sayan-babu apni square leg-e chole jan! (Square
leg kothay janen to? Leg Umpire-er kachhe.)
Purush-ra purushochito kaj korte `conditioned'. Apnara ei `conditioning'
kere nile ar tader thakbe ki bolun to? Apnader `thNoter shNidur okhkhoy
hok'. Kintu amader thNote ekta Camel ki Pallmall-i jotheshto.
: >: >Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
: >
: >: Shokh gele makhben boiki, keu to aar marte aashche na!
: >
: >Apnake bolechhe o? Sure janen marbe na?
: Sure bolte parbo na, tobey mone hoi khoma-ghenaa kore debe.
Khoma hoyto korbe na. Shudhu ghenna kore bari theke ber kore debe.
Indranil.
Indranil Bose
>Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
>Shorbonaash...aaro 'Indranil' aachhe naki??
Shonibarer baar-belaay besh sundor ghumochillum ar Haturi-marka Phenyl-X r
sopno dekhchilum - emon somoy hothat roll-call shona gyalo - tai dhormoriye
uthe "Haajir, Madam" na janiye parlum na.
Naam niye SCB te age kono lekha dekhini tai mone holo ekta suto chalu kora
jaak.
Bangalider naam ekta khub aschorjer byapar. Janina prithibite ar kono jatir
moddhe naamer ei boichitro dekha jaay kina. Protyek naamr swatantro ortho -
ei byaparta e desher lokeder chomotkrito kore.
Kintu ekta byapar apnara lokkho korechen ki - somoyer sathe sathe Bangalider
naamer koto rokom poriborton ghote gyache. Ke jaane Radhaprasad Gupta mohasoy
hoyto ekta boi i likhe phelben ei niye. Ekta somoy chilo jakhon Bangalir
naam hoto Mahakabyer kusilobder naame - Ram, Lakkhan, Sita. Ekhon kintu chol
hocche obhidaan dekhe "asrutopurbo" naam beche chele ba meyeke tate bhushito
kora.
Tobe kichu kichu naam kintu sob somoyi apangteyo. Jemon dhorun Raban ba
Dronacharja ba Dhritorashtro. Odike korun porinoti sotteo Abhumanyu naamta
kintu shona jaay. Meyeder moddhe Uttara, Urmila sunechi amra sobai kintu
Draupadi, Kunti, Sourindhree, Dusshola sunechi ki. Khub obak laage bhabte
je kyano kono kono naam jonopriyo holo ar kyanoi ba kichu naam kokhonoi shona
gyalo na.
Nodir naam e naam - sunechi cheleder naam Ajoy, Damodar. Kintu sunechen ki
Brahmaputra. Odike Krishna, Kaberi, Bipasha naam hishabe cholleo Godabori
nischoi shonen ni kakhono. Thik bollum to?
Naam diye naki "social strata" r porichoy paoa jaay. Ekti udahoron -
.. amader konishtho putro Sandip r sathe ... Kolikata nibasi .. r konya
Aparna (Rumjhuum) r subho porinoy ...
Bier nimontron potre ei lekha ti apnader Sandip o "Rumjhuum" r samajik obostha
niye kichu "tale-tell" ingit dilo ki?
Naamr byapare Tarapada Roy likhechilen je uni karur barite gele snitiye thakten
kakhon barir grihini chitkar kore kaajer lokke bolben ... Tarapado, ja to
Srihori theke duto lyangcha nie ay ...
Arekti golpe uni likhechen ekbar Dodobabu Tataibabu ke niye chiriakhanay
gyachen. Dodo babura chimpanzeer knachar samne obhibhuto hoye porechen.
Tarapodo babu oshohishnu hoye daak dilen - Dodo- Tatai tora ar kotokkhon ek
jaygay dnarabi. Sei daak shune pas theke ek mohila bollen - Dekhecho , kemon
adekhle, Palakahini pore cheleder naam diyeche Dodo-Tatai. Tobei bujhun !
Chotobelay daak-naam r byapare onekei khub sporshokator hoy. Amar ek bondhuke
tar pishi bus r moddhe daak- naame dekechilen bole se raag kore cholonto bus
theke lafiye porechilo - ekei bole naam mahatto !!
Bangalider naamr byapare SCB r nettok-nettikader obhimot janar agrohe roilum.
Iti,
Aro ekjon "Indranil"
B. Bhattacharya
sayan bhattacharyya writes:
>Indranil Bose <bosei> wrote:
>
>>kintu shona jaay. Meyeder moddhe Uttara, Urmila sunechi amra sobai kintu
>>Draupadi, Kunti, Sourindhree, Dusshola sunechi ki.
>
>
>Droupodee was a strong and highly unconventional woman. She took multiple
>Curiously enough, among tribals, where women enjoy more freedom and society
Droupadi namTa bangali-der athoba abangali-der modhye shuni ni Thik-i,
tar karon aboshyo-i apnara ja bolechhen: sati-sabitri'r sange droupodi'r
nam uchcharito hoy na. kintu panchali (jeTa kina droupodi'r-i apor nam)
namTi kintu birol noy! seTa bhebe dekhechhen ki? tar karon ki lokera khub
toliye bhabe na? habe hoyto, ami akjon gnayer meyeke chintam, tar nam
chhilo sabita (arthat surjo --- pung-lingo). droupodi'r arek nam krishna
kintu bohul-procholito, tar karon aboshyo sahojei anumeyo.
Baidurya.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <4nli13$m...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, bosei says...
>
>>Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
>
>>Shorbonaash...aaro 'Indranil' aachhe naki??
>
>
>Shonibarer baar-belaay besh sundor ghumochillum ar Haturi-marka Phenyl-X r
>sopno dekhchilum - emon somoy hothat roll-call shona gyalo - tai dhormoriye
>uthe "Haajir, Madam" na janiye parlum na.
>
>
>Naam niye SCB te age kono lekha dekhini tai mone holo ekta suto chalu kora
>jaak.
>Bangalider naam ekta khub aschorjer byapar. Janina prithibite ar kono jatir
>moddhe naamer ei boichitro dekha jaay kina. Protyek naamr swatantro ortho -
>ei byaparta e desher lokeder chomotkrito kore.
>
>Iti,
>Aro ekjon "Indranil"
>
Naam niye alochona poDe ekta lekha mone poDe gelo (hoito Tarapada Ray'er i
lekha; most probably Desh'e poDechilam; Anindo bhalo janbe). Bishoi holo
aajkal bangali meyeder biye'r por nijer pre-biye naam ta post-biye naam tar
sathe juDe dewar rewaj. Best example holo jemon Nabanita Deb-Sen,(Noren aar
Radharani Deb'er meye, biye koren Amartya Sen ke). Kolkata Doordarshan'er
pordai ekjon bhodromohila ke prai dekha jeto; naam Pronoti Mitra-Mustafi.
Aajkal oboshyo intercultural/interracial biye'r phole kichu notun naam dekha
dicche, jemni Sharmila Schwarzanegger-Sensharma, Monika Takahashi-Gangopadhyay
etc.
Ebar bangali chelera (equality of the sexes er khatir'e) jodi nijer bap'er
title'er shonge ma'r title juDte thake tahole to aaro moja hoye; Shyamsundar
Pramanik er bibhaho hoye Radharani Talukdar'er shonge. TaNder chele'r naam
rakha hoye Brojohori Pramanik-Talukdar, je bodo hoye biye kore college'er
bandhobi Modhuparna Kanjilal-Hajra ke; ebar taNder meye'r naam rakha hoye
Panchali Pramanik-Talukdar-Kanjilal-Hajra!! Ei bhabe GP te baDte thake naam er
pechone naam.
Kolkataye ek bhodrolok ke chintam; naam Macbeth Mitra. Shottyi! Iyarki marchi
na! Shei niye bondhu-bandhob ra besh roshikota kortam; eta ekta khela hoye
daNriyechilo; erokhom shob naam matha theke bar kora; udharon jemni Markov
Modok, Pierre Pramanik, Helle Halder, ..., Dorja Dutta, Lalmohon Liebnitz,
Gauss Ganguly, Jean-Paul Jana, Brojosekhor Baxter, ....
Ebar paglami thamai!
-Joydeep
Indrani DasGupta
dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) says...
>
>Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
>: >Sample data to scb-theke-i neoa jay.
>
>: Shorbonaash...aaro 'Indranil' aachhe naki??
>
>Bah, Indranil Bose, Indranil Chip, Wandering Wombat ..
>
>IDG.
Prothhom dujon-ke to chini...Wandering Wombat-ta abaar ke?
Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
>Public demand-e ebaar onyo angle.....
>
>Discrimination niye onek kothai bola holo ebong aapnara shobtai
>sportingly niyechen. Tar jonyo dhonyobaad. Tobe apnader uttor-guli dekhe
>mone hochchilo je aei manoshikota-r pechone onekta conditioning aache
>ebong tar jonyo bodh hoi cheleder khub aykta dayie kora jai na. Jyamon
>dhorun aamra onek bisho-aei equality niye chNecha-mechi kore thaaki,
>kintu botoler chipi khultey giye jokhon him-shim khai, tokhon botol-ti
>shamne dNariye thaka purusher dikei bariye dei. Cheshta korle chipi je
>aykdom khola jaabe na, ta kintu noi, kintu..... Aar chelera-o aei
>byabohaar-e bindu matro obaak hon na(conditioning?). Boltey lojja
korchey
>nishchoi, kintu okopot-e shikaar korchi aykdin lab-e ekaki kaaj korar
>shomoi jokhon onek cheshta kore-o reagent bottle khulte parchilaam na,
chele
>hoyechilo, :). Or shongey aykjon american chele chilo, jar mukh dekhe
>bujhlaam je she puro byaparta dekhe besh obaak hoye gyache. Aei rokom
>byapar-shyapar bodh hoi e deshe khub aykta chokhe pore na. Aabar dhorun
>koekjon mile jokhon berate berono hoi, tokhon gas station-e gari thaamle
>laaf diye pore coke aar chips aantey aamra shobai raaji, kintu rasta-r
>dhaare gari kharap hole aamra neme garir cheye shudur digonter dike
beshi
>interested hoye pori. Shonger chelera-o kintu ta dekhe khub aykta obaak
>eNder ektu time deowa uchit, ki bolen? Aei proshongey aykta ghotonar
>doley ami ayakai meye, baki shob chele. Uthe dekhi boshar jaiga matro
>ayktai. Doler bakira aamakei boshte onurodh kore, aami-o kichutei raji
>hobo na, karon aamar mote dNariye thaakte aami equally capable. Shesh
>porjontyo aykjon chelei boshlo. Kintu she je ki koshto niye shara rasta
>boshe chilo, tar mukh dekhe bojha jaachchilo. She na parche boshte, na
>parche uthte. Tar shei bhishon discomfort-er mukh aamar aakhono mone
>aache. Tokhon bujhechilaam je aei `conditioning' kotota deep-rooted. Eti
>dur hote besh shomoi laagbe. Aamader shobaike dhoirjyo dhortey hobe,
>ebong eta na bole parchina, kichuta ojotha meyelipona-o chartey hobe.
> Aamar aei lekhar jonyo Pramila-bahini jodi aamar mundu-paat
>kortey chaan, tobe nirbhoi-e egiye ashun, aami matha pete-i aachi, :)
>
>Sharmila
Bhoi neyi...apnar jonno kukDi-te shaan dichchhina. Kintu je kotha-ta apni
likhechhen...khub-i shotyi. Amader desh-e akta kotha aachhe jeta shunte
ba bolte khub-i lojja kore..."meyeder shotru holo meyera-i". Apnar
obhigyota-ta desh-e hoyechhilo...thhik aak-i rokom-er obhigyota amaar
edesh-e hoyechhe. Oi je bolchhilen na, je America-y hoito eta otota
hoyna? Tai oi American chhele-ti obaak hoye cheye chhilo? Amaar mone hoy
ota hoyto individual byapaar hole-o hote paare. Kaaron kaaj-e ami er'om
dhoroner 'meyeli' byapaar hordom dekhchhi. Borong je meyera eta-r
protibaad koren tNara-i ektu hNaashi-r khoraak hoye jaan. In this era of
PC-Culture - eta jaano akta odbhut dhoroner oshamonjoshyo aane.
Aar chhelera, apni thhik-i bolechhen, ki aar korben! ONder-o to haat
bNadha...akbaar kaaj-e ami aar amaar ak colleague(meye) dorja-r kaachhe
eshe haat baDano-r aage-i arekti colleague(chhele ebong chena) pichhon
thheke haat baDiye dorja-ta tene khule dey. Ami dhonyobaad dei taake.
Amaar shaath-e je meyeti chhilo...or mukh dekhe bujhlaam kichhu akta
hoyechhe...kintu ami bujhte-i parini je ei byapaar. Pore shunlaam je o
naki chheleti-ke ei niye shuniyechhe. Tarpor thheke amaader department-er
chhele-ra bolchhen dorja to khulben-i na...akhon thheke pichhon pichhon
kono mohila ke aashte dekhle-i naki dorja-ta borong tene bondho kore
deben :-) Shotyi bolte ki, ei 'confusion'ta onek shomoy, bishesh kore
kormojogot-e, khub shochoniyo obosthha-r srishti korte baadhdhyo.
Kintu ei shob dorja-torja khola-r byapaar thheke-o onek guruttopurno
byapaar-e meyeder ei 'meyelipona' khub-i khhotikor. Aar-o shanghatik
byapaar ei je oddhhek shomoy aamra bujhte-i paarina hothaat ki hoye
gaalo, ki kore ba bole phellaam...jeta koraate ba bolaate...ei je chhotto
chhotto paa phele egiye jaachchhilaam sheta-r bodole hoyto ak laaph-e
besh khanik-ta pichhon dike chole gelaam.
Indrani.
Indranil DasGupta
Sambit Basu (sam...@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
[..]
: Tumi borong Barnali-r
: akta opinion nao. O ghoti meye, ruchi-r byapar-e-o astha
: rakha jay.
Kothata kichhudin age obdhi shunle hashtaam. Kintu akhon mani.
Jiboner shobcheye gurutwopurno byeparta-tei durdanto ruchir porichoy
diyechhe Barnali. Oboshyo kichhuta toposhyar phol-o achhe. Proti
shombaar shib-er mathay jol dito ...
Indranil.
Sutapa Chattopadhyay
> Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
> >Discrimination niye onek kothai bola holo ebong aapnara shobtai
> >sportingly niyechen. Tar jonyo dhonyobaad. Tobe apnader uttor-guli dekhe
> > Aamar aei lekhar jonyo Pramila-bahini jodi aamar mundu-paat
> >kortey chaan, tobe nirbhoi-e egiye ashun, aami matha pete-i aachi, :)
> >
> >Sharmila
>
Sharmila Debi (Manobi?) key jiggesh koraar ichche
chilo 'Pramila Bahini' ra kara? Thik bujhthey parlaam na.
Anyway, eta thik i likhechen, meyeder nijeder
double standard cheDe dite hobe. Ami
jokhon Pilani tey poDhtaam 1970s e, tokhon ami kokhono train
er reservation kortaam na aar Delhi Express e pheraar shomoy onek
somoy i class er chelera amar jonno jayga cheDe dito.
Tokhon majhe majhe complain kortaam, kintu beshir bhaag
shomoy i jayga ta niye nitaam.
--
Sutapa Chattopadhyay
Shubu Mukherjee
>> Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>> >Discrimination niye onek kothai bola holo ebong aapnara shobtai
>> >sportingly niyechen. Tar jonyo dhonyobaad. Tobe apnader uttor-guli dekhe
Ke bollo sportingly niyechhi? :-) Apni khali meyeder discrimination
niye discuss korben (aar chheleder discrimination-er discussion-er
against-e discriminate korben), to jonogon khepe jab-e na!
-Shubu
PS: After watching Disclosure in the theater, a friend of mine
commented -- "Dekh chhelera kemon buk fuliye bercohhe! Yes, ekhon
chhlerao bolbe, amra-o raped hot-e pari!" :-)
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shubu Mukherjee Univeristy of Wisconsin-Madison, Computer Sciences
Kousik Chakrabarti
Mayabdar podobir upor kobitar onshobishas.
Mayadar podobita golmal bhari
Onakar nama tay dekhi barabari.
A-kar onto dia mohila korar
Chasta hasir tay bhumika chorar.
Gupto Gupta hoy mayadar nama
Dekhachi onak chiti postcard khama
Sa nioma jodi aj Ghosh hoy Ghosa
Tahola onak maya korbay gosa.
Pal jodi pala hoy san hoy sana
Boroy kothin hoba mayadar chana.
Guess the poet.
With regards,
Kousik.
mec...@rosie.uh.edu
> Pal jodi pala hoy san hoy sana
> Boroy kothin hoba mayadar chana.
>
> Guess the poet.
>
BTW this is the rule in russian names. Olga, when married to Valery Zimin
writes her name as Olga Zimina.
Arindam Ghosh
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indranil DasGupta wrote:
> Purush-ra purushochito kaj korte `conditioned'. Apnara ei `conditioning'
> kere nile ar tader thakbe ki bolun to? Apnader `thNoter shNidur okhkhoy
> hok'. Kintu amader thNote ekta Camel ki Pallmall-i jotheshto.
Nah, aapni byaparta ayakebaarei dhorte paren ni. Khule-i boli tahole.
Aamar oi `conditioning' kothata-r pechone boktyobbo chilo je cheleder
kichu kichu kaajer/chinta-r pechone holo oi-ti. Shoja bangla bhashai
bolte gele bolte hoi je aei je arts-er meye language shikhte parbe na,
aei bhul dharona-r pechone oi `c'-ing. Aei `c'-ing-er jonyoi aamar
bondhu eta kichutei mene nite parchilo na je she boshe jaabe aar aami
dNariye jaabo. Aamar mote she eta ektu bhablo na je dosh-moni chaaler
bosta na hok, kintu durgapur theke kolkata dNariye jabar moto ability-o
ki sharmila-r nei? Aei bhul chinta-r(jar pechone aache `c'-ing)
boshoborti hoye manush aaro onek kichu korte/bhabte pare. Shei bhul gulo
dur holei byapartar shoundorjyo bare. Aamar mote aamra-o e byapare
kichuta shahojyo korte pari kichu unnecessary `meyelipona' chere diye.
Kintu tai bole chele-meye ayk hote hobe? E kotha-r to kono manei hoi na,
:)
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
> Bhoi neyi...apnar jonno kukDi-te shaan dichchhina.
BNachale bhai, aami to bhabchilaam ebar mohila-mahal thekey aakromon
aashbe-i, :)
[...]
Kaaron kaaj-e ami er'om
> dhoroner 'meyeli' byapaar hordom dekhchhi. Borong je meyera eta-r
> protibaad koren tNara-i ektu hNaashi-r khoraak hoye jaan. In this era of
> PC-Culture - eta jaano akta odbhut dhoroner oshamonjoshyo aane.
Correct, tobe aamar mote aamader aaro dhoirjyo dhorte hobe; jedin
shobai eta realise korben je unnecessary `meyelipona' is doing more harm
than good, tobei kichu fol paowa jete pare.
[dorja kholar byapar]
Etake jodio aamra meyeder prerogative mone kori, amar mote eta puro puri
bhodrotar under-e pore/pora uchit. Orthat, keu(chele kingba meye) jodi
aamar jonyo dorja khule dai, I will remember to do the same for him/her
in future. Chupi chupi boli je e byapare ayk bochorer prochestai aamar
boss kichuta de-conditioned hoyechen, :).
Sharmila Mukherjee
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> Sharmiladebi, apnder lab'e bottle opener rakhe na? Khub handy
> jinish ...
>
>
> Apratim.
Yea...maane...sheta tokhon khNuje pachchilaam na...tai haaat diye-i
cheshta chalachchilaam...ta Tanvir-ke dekhte paowatei aamar koshto
laaghob holo...bhaggyish aapni shamne chilen na, :)...aar lipstick
lagano-ta aapnar ku-poramorsho mone holo kano bolun to?
Sharmila
Arindam Ghosh
>
>Ebar bangali chelera (equality of the sexes er khatir'e) jodi nijer bap'er
>title'er shonge ma'r title juDte thake tahole to aaro moja hoye; Shyamsundar
>Pramanik er bibhaho hoye Radharani Talukdar'er shonge. TaNder chele'r naam
>rakha hoye Brojohori Pramanik-Talukdar, je bodo hoye biye kore college'er
>bandhobi Modhuparna Kanjilal-Hajra ke; ebar taNder meye'r naam rakha hoye
>Panchali Pramanik-Talukdar-Kanjilal-Hajra!! Ei bhabe GP te baDte thake naam er
>pechone naam.
>
As you are probably aware this is the system in Mexico. But only the paternal
name goes down the generation. Only equitable system that I can think of is
to get rid of the family name i.e. name her Panchali Brojohori Madhuparna :
Panchali born of Brojohari and Madhuparna
Arindam Ghosh
Indranil DasGupta
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: In article <4nli13$m...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Indranil Bose <bosei> wrote:
: >kintu shona jaay. Meyeder moddhe Uttara, Urmila sunechi amra sobai kintu
: >Draupadi, Kunti, Sourindhree, Dusshola sunechi ki.
: The explanation is very simple. In a patriarchal society, the qualities
: society valorizes and wishes for in women are meekness, submissiveness
: and adherence to the status quo. "Strong" women from mythology, although
: glorified in the "ponchokonya smorennityong" shloka, are not preferred
: choices for names in a patriarchal society because strong and independent
: women are threatening to the patriarchal mindset.
Sayan-babu, Shedin Scott Adams-er cartoon poDte giye ektaa notun kotha
shikhlaam. Ocam's razor. Je kono jinisher-i shobcheye shohoj byakha-tai
shadharonoto thik. Ei niyom holo Ocam's razor.
Droupodi naam-ta shadharonoto deoa hoy na shudhu ekti shohoj karone,
Daoupodir ekti noy, duti noy, pNach pNach-ti shoami chhilo. Amader
penal code-eo eshob shohyo kore na. Lokjon hashahashi to korbei.
Bheem chhara ar shobai-kei Droupodi jokhon tokhon khNota diyechhen ebong
tate apnar shonge shonge bharoter apamor jonota-o khushi
hoyechhe. Ami aj obdhi ekti lok-keo dekhini je Droupodi-r bhortshona
shune gombhir mukhe bolechhe - meyeder atota tej ki bhalo? Apni TV-te
Mahabharat dekhechhen? Ami lokeder bheeD kore Draupodir dialogue shunte
dekhechhi. Shokoler-i mukh khub proshonno chhilo.
Apni shobai-ke nijer theke ato alada bhaben kano?
JhNasir rani Lakshmibai-er naame prochur meyer naamkoron hoy. Bolun kano?
Gandhari to potibrotar protimurti. Shunechhen ei naam? Shikhder modhye
meyeder naam hoy Balveer, Balvinder, Tejvinder ityadi. Egulo `meekness'
na `submissiveness'-shuchok naam?
Ami to bishshash korte chai je emnite apnar matha-ta porishkar shudhu
scb-te post korar shomoy shob kichhu talgol pakiye jay.
Kintu oi, Ocam's razor!
Indranil.
Indrani DasGupta - fwd
Indranil DasGupta wrote:
>Purush-ra purushochito kaj korte `conditioned'. Apnara ei `conditioning'
>kere nile ar tader thakbe ki bolun to? Apnader `thNoter shNidur okhkhoy
>hok'. Kintu amader thNote ekta Camel ki Pallmall-i jotheshto.
Nah, aapni byaparta ayakebaarei dhorte paren ni. Khule-i boli tahole.
Aamar oi `conditioning' kothata-r pechone boktobbyo chilo je cheleder
kichu kichu kaajer/chinta-r pechone holo oi-ti. Shoja bangla bhashai
bolte gele bolte hoi je aei je arts-er meye language shikhte parbe na,
aei bhul dharona-r pechone oi `c'-ing. Aei `c'-ing-er jonyoi aamar bondhu
eta kichutei mene nite parchilo na je she boshe jaabe aar aami dNariye
jaabo. Aamar mote she eta ektu bhablo na je she dosh-moni chaaler bosta
na hok, kintu durgapur theke kolkata dNariye jabar moto ability-o ki
sharmila-r nei? Aei bhul chinta-r(jar pechone aache `c'-ing) boshoborti
hoye manush aaro onek kichu korte/bhabte pare. Shei bhul gulo dur holei
byapartar shoundorjyo bare. Aamar mote aamra-o e byapare kichuta shahajyo
korte pari kichu unnecessary `meyelipona' chere diye. Kintu tai bole
chele-meye ayk hote hobe? E kotha-r to kono manei hoi na, :)
Sharmila
--
Indrani DasGupta - fwd
Shubu Mukherjee wrote:
>
>>> Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
>>> >Discrimination niye onek kothai bola holo ebong aapnara shobtai
>>> >sportingly niyechen. Tar jonyo dhonyobaad. Tobe apnader uttor-guli
dekhe
>
>niye discuss korben (aar chheleder discrimination-er discussion-er
>against-e discriminate korben), to jonogon khepe jab-e na!
>
>-Shubu
>
>PS: After watching Disclosure in the theater, a friend of mine
> commented -- "Dekh chhelera kemon buk fuliye bercohhe! Yes, ekhon
> chhlerao bolbe, amra-o raped hot-e pari!" :-)
Ki shanghatik kotha! Aapni to dekhchi mone mone aamar proti moha
khepe aachen! Aami aabar kobe kono rokom discussion-er against-e
discrimination korlaam? E bhari onnyai, evidence nei ayk phota-o. Your
honor(opor dike takiye,:)), I strongly object!!! :)
Aar aapnara-o je nana bipod-e portey paren, she conviction aapnar
bondhu-r Disclosure dekhe holo? Tahole aar kichu bolar nei, :)
Indrani DasGupta - fwd
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE:
------------------------------
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
> Sharmiladebi, apnder lab'e bottle opener rakhe na? Khub handy
> jinish ...
>
> Apratim.
Yea...maane...sheta tokhon khNuje pachchilaam na...tai haaat
diye-i cheshta chalachchilaam...ta Tanvir-ke dekhte paowatei aamar koshto
laaghob holo...bhaggyish aapni chilen na, :)...aar lipstick lagano-ta
aapnar ku-poramorsho mone holo kano bolun to?
Sharmila
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, TX 77030
e-mail:s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bmc.tmc.edu
Indrani DasGupta
Sayan Bhattacharyya wrote:
>Curiously enough, among tribals, where women enjoy more freedom and
society
>is less patriarchal, "Droupodee" is quite a common name. Recall that the
>name of the Santhal woman who was one of the principal characters in
>Mahashweta Devi's "Agni-garbha" was called "Dopdee (i.e. Droupodee)
>Mejhen".
Ei golpo-ta bhishon daag ketechhilo mon-e. Kota "shobhyo" meye - after
undergoing the kind of malicious, inhumane torture that "Dopdi-mejhen"
went through would have, not only the ability, but the will to
answer/fight back? Her 'le...counter kor...COUNTER KOR!!" is a testimony
to the inherent strength in _all_ women to defy an unjust system that
thrives on abject acquiescence to its norms.
Indrani.
Indranil DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta - fwd (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
: Indranil DasGupta wrote:
: >Purush-ra purushochito kaj korte `conditioned'. Apnara ei `conditioning'
: >kere nile ar tader thakbe ki bolun to? Apnader `thNoter shNidur okhkhoy
: >hok'. Kintu amader thNote ekta Camel ki Pallmall-i jotheshto.
: Nah, aapni byaparta ayakebaarei dhorte paren ni. Khule-i boli tahole.
[..]
Abar haat phoshke gachhe. Boundary.
: hoye manush aaro onek kichu korte/bhabte pare. Shei bhul gulo dur holei
: byapartar shoundorjyo bare. Aamar mote aamra-o e byapare kichuta shahajyo
: korte pari kichu unnecessary `meyelipona' chere diye.
`Unnecessary' mane ki jar proyojon nei, na ki jar oproyojon achhe? Jamon
Shari poratar kono proyojon nei. (Mane sharir bodole pant shirt porleo
hoy). Abar bus-e boshbar kono oproyojon dekhchhi na. Chheleder lipstick
makhar kono proyojon nei, abar oproyojon-o nei. Er modhye kon kon gulo
`un-necessary'? Lipstick makha jodi `un-necessary' hoy tahole meyeder ki
lipstick makha bondho kore deoa uchit? Jodi lipstick na makha-ta
`un-necessary' hoy tahole ki purushder lipstick `na makha' bondho kore
dite bolben?
Upay nei, byeparta jotil tai jotno kore bojhar cheshta korchhi.
Kintu tai bole
: chele-meye ayk hote hobe? E kotha-r to kono manei hoi na, :)
Chhele o meyeder kotota bibhed hole sheta `un-necessary'? Ei holo prosno.
Ekhane arts-er jonota ki bolben janina, science-er jonotar kachhe eshob
prosner uttor khub shohoj o shoja hoa uchit.
Indranil.
Indrani DasGupta
Sharmila Mukherjee writes:
>Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
>> Bhoi neyi...apnar jonno kukDi-te shaan dichchhina.
>
> BNachale bhai, aami to bhabchilaam ebar mohila-mahal thekey
aakromon
>aashbe-i, :)
Shottyi-i bhoy pechhile naki? :-) Aare dur! SCB-ta akdom boring hoye
jaachchhe! Shudhu chhele-rai lekhen! Meye-ra aar lekhen koi? Shob
lurkers...ei ja. Teen-chaar-jon 'Bangla-r Baghini' chhaDa mukh phute
kichchhu bolaar shaahosh dekhchhi khub kom meye-der-i aachhe. Eta-r
kaaron-ta thhik ki...bojhaar bhishon cheshta korchhi. Lojja, na bhoy? Aar
sheta kaake-i baa? Jeebon-er onnyanno jayga-gulo-te to amaader akrokom
mukh bondho kore-i thhakte hoy...for whatever reasons...shekhetre SCB-r
moto 'democratic' forum durlobh. Oboshyo 'kill-file'ta akta durdanto
maronaastro bolte hobe! :-)
>[...]
> Kaaron kaaj-e ami er'om
>> dhoroner 'meyeli' byapaar hordom dekhchhi. Borong je meyera eta-r
>> protibaad koren tNara-i ektu hNaashi-r khoraak hoye jaan. In this era
of
>> PC-Culture - eta jaano akta odbhut dhoroner oshamonjoshyo aane.
>
> Correct, tobe aamar mote aamader aaro dhoirjyo dhorte hobe;
jedin
>shobai eta realise korben je unnecessary `meyelipona' is doing more harm
>than good, tobei kichu fol paowa jete pare.
Tobe bolo...ekhane motamuti bhiD bus-e othha-r shomoy jokhon
bhodrolok-era mishti kore hNeshe aage jete ishaDa koren...tokhon kintu
aami-o onek shomoy oi mishti hNashi-r protidaan diye aage-i uthhe poDi!
Akhon bolte ektu ektu lojja korchhe, ki aar bolbo. Tobe dekhechhi...ei
gesture-ta kintu beshirbhaag-i boyoshko bhodrolok-der thheke-i aashe.
Amaader boyosh-i chhele-ra oshob-er modhye nei mon-e hoy. Jnara koren
tNara ektu kintu-kintu kore koren...paachhe ukto mohila-ti tNaader
baap-bapaanto kore chhaDen. :-)
>[dorja kholar byapar]
>Etake jodio aamra meyeder prerogative mone kori, amar mote eta puro puri
>bhodrotar under-e pore/pora uchit. Orthat, keu(chele kingba meye) jodi
>aamar jonyo dorja khule dai, I will remember to do the same for him/her
>in future. Chupi chupi boli je e byapare ayk bochorer prochestai aamar
>boss kichuta de-conditioned hoyechen, :).
Tomaar boss bangla jaanen? :-)
>Sharmila
Indrani.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
> Shottyi-i bhoy pechhile naki? :-) Aare dur! SCB-ta akdom boring hoye
> jaachchhe! Shudhu chhele-rai lekhen! Meye-ra aar lekhen koi? Shob
> lurkers...ei ja. Teen-chaar-jon 'Bangla-r Baghini' chhaDa mukh phute
> kichchhu bolaar shaahosh dekhchhi khub kom meye-der-i aachhe. Eta-r
> kaaron-ta thhik ki...bojhaar bhishon cheshta korchhi. Lojja, na bhoy? Aar
> sheta kaake-i baa?
Indrani, lojja ba bhoi chara aaro kichu karon thakte pare. Jyamon,
ojotha shomoi noshto, kichu faceless lokeder shathe torko ebong tader
opor nijer point-of-view jahir korar nirorthok cheshta, ityadi...
Jeebon-er onnyanno jayga-gulo-te to amaader akrokom
> mukh bondho kore-i thhakte hoy...for whatever reasons...shekhetre SCB-r
> moto 'democratic' forum durlobh.
Aei kotha-ta aami puro puri mene nite partaam jodi tumi `aamader'
kotha-ta byabohar na korte. Tomar ki dharona cheleder mukh bondho kore
thakte hoi na? Prochur hoi, onek hoi, :).
...ekhane motamuti bhiD bus-e othha-r shomoy jokhon
> bhodrolok-era mishti kore hNeshe aage jete ishaDa koren...tokhon kintu
> aami-o onek shomoy oi mishti hNashi-r protidaan diye aage-i uthhe poDi!
> Akhon bolte ektu ektu lojja korchhe, ki aar bolbo.
Ektu-o lojja pabe na, mishti-hashi-maronastro aamra shobai proyog kore
thaki. Aar sheguli kader opor kortey beshi bhalo lagey jano? Jara
aakhono bhishon bhabe sexist, :)
Tobe dekhechhi...ei
> gesture-ta kintu beshirbhaag-i boyoshko bhodrolok-der thheke-i aashe.
> Amaader boyosh-i chhele-ra oshob-er modhye nei mon-e hoy. Jnara koren
> tNara ektu kintu-kintu kore koren...paachhe ukto mohila-ti tNaader
> baap-bapaanto kore chhaDen. :-)
Aare she risk to aachei; eta female `conditioning'...orthat, hotat aei
chinta mathai aashe je cheletar uddeshyp bodh hoi shot noi, :)
... Chupi chupi boli je e byapare ayk bochorer prochestai aamar
> >boss kichuta de-conditioned hoyechen, :).
>
> Tomaar boss bangla jaanen? :-)
Ta janen na, oboshyo janleo SCB porar moto durmoti onar aakhono hoi ni,
:)
Sharmila
--
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, TX 77030
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indranil DasGupta wrote:
> `Unnecessary' mane ki jar proyojon nei, na ki jar oproyojon achhe?
Maane dutoi hote pare, tobe e khetre dwityio-ta.
Lipstick makha jodi `un-necessary' hoy tahole meyeder ki
> lipstick makha bondho kore deoa uchit?
Eta to nijoshyo ruchir opor nirbhor korche....onekta aapnader
dNari-gNof kamanor moto...shokh hole kamaben, na hole kamaben na, byas!
Jodi lipstick na makha-ta
> `un-necessary' hoy tahole ki purushder lipstick `na makha' bondho kore
> dite bolben?
Jachchole, aapni jinishta-ke aato jotil korchen kano bolunto? Aamar
mote byaparti ektu-o jotil noi. Meyeder unnecessary meyelipona boltey
aami boltey cheyechi je aei dhorun `oof! Aar aami roddure dNariye thakte
parchi na! Aamar ek-khuni ek-khuni ek-khuni ayk-ta chata dorkar!!!'; `Oi
shob banker kaaj baba aamar dara hobe na, ota aamar kortai korben!';
...aei rokom aaro koto ki! Asha kori bujhechen, aar list barachchi na,
:)
> Chhele o meyeder kotota bibhed hole sheta `un-necessary'? Ei holo prosno.
Ta aapnar mote er uttor ki howa uchit?
> Ekhane arts-er jonota ki bolben janina, science-er jonotar kachhe eshob
> prosner uttor khub shohoj o shoja hoa uchit.
Really? Then from one science-er jonota to another, uttor ta ki
bolunto?
>
> Indranil.
Srabani Banerjee
Posting from Chaitali Basu
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On Mon, 20 May 1996, Sutapa Chattopadhyay wrote:
> > Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> > >Discrimination niye onek kothai bola holo ebong aapnara shobtai
> > >sportingly niyechen. Tar jonyo dhonyobaad. Tobe apnader uttor-guli dekhe
> > > Aamar aei lekhar jonyo Pramila-bahini jodi aamar mundu-paat
> > >kortey chaan, tobe nirbhoi-e egiye ashun, aami matha pete-i aachi, :)
> > >
> > >Sharmila
> >
>
> Sharmila Debi (Manobi?) key jiggesh koraar ichche
> chilo 'Pramila Bahini' ra kara? Thik bujhthey parlaam na.
> Anyway, eta thik i likhechen, meyeder nijeder
> double standard cheDe dite hobe. Ami
> jokhon Pilani tey poDhtaam 1970s e, tokhon ami kokhono train
> er reservation kortaam na aar Delhi Express e pheraar shomoy onek
> somoy i class er chelera amar jonno jayga cheDe dito.
> Tokhon majhe majhe complain kortaam, kintu beshir bhaag
> shomoy i jayga ta niye nitaam.
>
> --
> Sutapa Chattopadhyay
Sutapa-di apnar ei lekhata-te 'double standard' kothata-te ektu kamon
jano laglo karon ami kintu bhai-er shonge Kolkatar rastaye gaaDi
Telechhi, Ma-er jonno office hours-e Sinthi'r More taxi dhorechhi,
baaDi'r electric phase kharap hoye gele shariyechhi. Tobu jedin ranna aar
bajar dutoi korar dorkar poDechhe shedin kamon jaani spontaneously ami
ranna'r dike aar bhai bajar korte gechhe. Eta ki shobtai shudhu
conditioning naaki amader dujoner oi bishesh dudike efficiency beshi sheta
bujhi na bhalo. Tobe seat cheDe deowar kotha jodi bolen to bolbo jedin kono
chele bondhu beshi tired thakto, shedin takei boshte deowa hoto amader
group-e. Obhabe meye bole extra khatir ora dekhato na. Dekhale bodhhoe
bondhutto kora-I ashombhob hoye jeto. Tai jodio chelera lipstick lagabe
kina she niye kono motamot neyi amar, tobu ami kintu Indranil babu'r shonge
akmot je shob jinish-e jor kore deconditioned hote gele shetayo equally
abnormal akta state toiri hobe.
Chaitali
Amitabha Lahiri
sayan bhattachayya wrote:
In article <4nli13$m...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Indranil Bose <bosei> wrote:
>>kintu shona jaay. Meyeder moddhe Uttara, Urmila sunechi amra sobai kintu
>>Draupadi, Kunti, Sourindhree, Dusshola sunechi ki.
> The explanation is very simple.
Explanations are hardly ever `simple' as one usually understands the word.
`Explanations' of social phenomena even more rarely so. Simplistic perhaps,
but then they are also debatable. I suppose the more simplistic an
explanation is, the easier it is to find counterexamples or even
counterarguments. Anyway, that's really neither here nor there.
> society valorizes and wishes for in women are meekness, submissiveness
> and adherence to the status quo. "Strong" women from mythology, although
> glorified in the "ponchokonya smorennityong" shloka, are not preferred
> choices for names in a patriarchal society because strong and independent
> women are threatening to the patriarchal mindset.
This is sloppy. Many of what may be called `favoured' names of women
belonged to very strong people of mythology. Sita, Sabitri, Shakuntala ...
not to mention the various names for Shakti.
Has anyone else noticed that every one of the `panchokanya' slept with more
than one male? And that Urbashi or Rambha are not common names either?
> Droupodee was a strong and highly unconventional woman. She took multiple
> husbands, talked back to her husbands when necessary (she rebuked Judhishthir
> for being a wimp numerous times), put up a good fight against Joyodroth when
> the latter tried to kidnap her, and was a resourceful woman who earned her
> own living for a while (in the Birat household; she is probably the
> only "working woman" in the entire Mahabharata). Needless to say, such a woman
> is not acceptable as a role model in a sexist and patriarchal society. This
> is why you won't find "Droupodee" as a popular name in Bengali households.
Draupadi was a remarkable woman. And there would be few quarrels about
calling her the `strongest' woman in all of Hindu mythology. However,
strong women are not exactly a rarity in Hindu mythology either.
But another aspect of Draupadi's character that no one mentioned was her
cooking. Saraswati is not a particularly common name either. Or Kandarpa
for men. (Or Padmolochon.)
Amitabha
--
Amitabha Lahiri MAPS University of Sussex A.La...@central.susx.ac.uk
No one else is responsible for what I say and vice versa.
Today it's the Bengalis, tomorrow it will be you.
Snehasis Ganguly
: > Purush-ra purushochito kaj korte `conditioned'. Apnara ei `conditioning'
: > kere nile ar tader thakbe ki bolun to? Apnader `thNoter shNidur okhkhoy
: > hok'. Kintu amader thNote ekta Camel ki Pallmall-i jotheshto.
: Nah, aapni byaparta ayakebaarei dhorte paren ni. Khule-i boli tahole.
: Aamar oi `conditioning' kothata-r pechone boktyobbo chilo je cheleder
: kichu kichu kaajer/chinta-r pechone holo oi-ti. Shoja bangla bhashai
: bolte gele bolte hoi je aei je arts-er meye language shikhte parbe na,
: aei bhul dharona-r pechone oi `c'-ing. Aei `c'-ing-er jonyoi aamar
: bondhu eta kichutei mene nite parchilo na je she boshe jaabe aar aami
: dNariye jaabo. Aamar mote she eta ektu bhablo na je dosh-moni chaaler
: bosta na hok, kintu durgapur theke kolkata dNariye jabar moto ability-o
: ki sharmila-r nei? Aei bhul chinta-r(jar pechone aache `c'-ing)
: boshoborti hoye manush aaro onek kichu korte/bhabte pare. Shei bhul gulo
: dur holei byapartar shoundorjyo bare. Aamar mote aamra-o e byapare
: kichuta shahojyo korte pari kichu unnecessary `meyelipona' chere diye.
: Kintu tai bole chele-meye ayk hote hobe? E kotha-r to kono manei hoi na,
: :)
: Sharmila
Meyera jodi eiy-forum etey World Bank, IMF eiy sombondhe
kichu idea charen to 'c'-ing ta 'A+'-ing hoey | Anarcho-
syndicalist commune etey kikorey anarchy dur kortey hobey
etao meyeder kaach theke jaana dorkar | Tachara onara jodi
BJP, election ebong Yajuvinder Singh vs. Eknath Solker-er
comparision koren to aaro bhalo hoey| Aaar onara ki brand-er
cigarette bhalobashen seitaa bodhai beshi ruchikor Lipstick-er
brand er cheye|
Snehasis
--
India-monsoon and marigold, dung and dust, colors and corpses ,
smoke and ash, snow and endless myth- is a cruel, unrelenting
place of ineffable sweetness. It is the most difficult and most
rewarding of places to travel.
-James O'Reilly
Sharmila Mukherjee
Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
> Meyera jodi eiy-forum etey World Bank, IMF eiy sombondhe
> kichu idea charen to 'c'-ing ta 'A+'-ing hoey | Anarcho-
> syndicalist commune etey kikorey anarchy dur kortey hobey
> etao meyeder kaach theke jaana dorkar | Tachara onara jodi
> BJP, election ebong Yajuvinder Singh vs. Eknath Solker-er
> comparision koren to aaro bhalo hoey| Aaar onara ki brand-er
> cigarette bhalobashen seitaa bodhai beshi ruchikor Lipstick-er
> brand er cheye|
> Snehasis
Snehasis, aabar oshob-e amader tanchen kano? Aei to besh fence-e boshe
aapnader chulo-chuli dekhchilaam, tate-o hingshe? :)
Sharmila
Indranil DasGupta
Syed A. Yousuf (pear...@vax2.winona.msus.edu) wrote:
: In article <4nfs4n$1...@news.bu.edu>, dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil
: DasGupta) wrote:
: + Bangali chheler naam Tanvir? Chhodmo-naam noy to?
: *************************************************
: Did I miss something? Can you explain why can't 'Tanvir' be a "Bangali
: chheler naam"?
: ogrim Dhonnobaadantey
: Syed A. Yousuf
Dhonyobaad-ta ki akhon pherot diye dite hobe?
Indranil.
Nitin Mogral
POSTED FROM A FRIEND'S ACCOUNT: FLAMES TO SCB OR
SOMDE...@Non-HP-MountainView-om1.om.hp.com PLEASE
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Aare net-e torkatorki-r pre-condition-tai to tai je
ekhane sobai 'faceless'....tai to sobai besh nirbhoi-e
ebong impartially(I hope) motamot dite pare...
Tobe chhele-der mukh bondho kore thakar byapar-ta 100%
shothik...in fact otato mone hoi increasing function of
time taai na....in fact, sei jonnoi bodh hoi Bangali
chhele-ra para-r chaa-er dokan-e boshe raja-ujir maare
(h(n)aa ami-o included)...
Aar oi uddeshyo sat na hobar je 'conditioning'-tar katha
bollen, ota khub ekta dekha jaai ki ? Kolkata-r bus-e
ba tram-e konodin kono mohila-ke jaaiga chhere die ami to
konodin bap-bapanto suni ni. Asha kori t(n)ara sobai khub
reasonable ebong rational(jodio conditioned) mohila
chhilen.
Somdev.
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100 N. Whisman Road, #139
Mountain View, CA 94043-4925
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Indrani DG-Sharmila/fwd
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
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Indrani DasGupta wrote:
...Chupi chupi boli je e byapare ayk bochorer prochestai aamar
>>boss kichuta de-conditioned hoyechen, :).
>
>Tomaar boss bangla jaanen? :-)
Ta janen na, oboshyo janleo SCB porar moto durmoti onar aakhono
hoi ni, :)
Sharmila
--
Indrani DG-Sharmila/fwd
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
------------------------------
Indranil DasGupta wrote:
>`Unnecessary' mane ki jar proyojon nei, na ki jar oproyojon achhe?
Maane dutoi hote pare, tobe e khetre dwityio-ta.
Lipstick makha jodi `un-necessary' hoy tahole meyeder ki
>lipstick makha bondho kore deoa uchit?
Eta to nijoshyo ruchir opor nirbhor korche....onekta aapnader
dNari-gNof kamanor moto...shokh hole kamaben, na hole kamaben na, byas!
Jodi lipstick na makha-ta
>`un-necessary' hoy tahole ki purushder lipstick `na makha' bondho kore
>dite bolben?
Jachchole, aapni jinishta-ke aato jotil korchen kano bolun to?
Aamar mote byaparta ektu-o jotil noi. Meyeder unnecessary meyelipona
boltey aami boltey cheyechi je aei dhorun `oof! Aar aami roddure dNariye
thakte parchi na! Aamar ek-khuni ek-khuni ek-khuni ayk-ta chata
dorkar!!!'; `Oi shob banker kaaj baba aamar dara hobe na, ota aamar
kortai korben!'; ...aei rokom aaro koto ki! Asha kori bujhchen, aar list
barachchi na, :)
>Chhele o meyeder kotota bibhed hole sheta `un-necessary'? Ei holo
prosno.
ta aapnar mote er uttor ki howa uchit?
>Ekhane arts-er jonota ki bolben janina, science-er jonotar kachhe eshob
>prosner uttor khub shohoj o shoja hoa uchit.
Really? Then from one science-er jonota to another, uttor ta ki
bolunto?
>
>Indranil.
--
Indrani DG-Sharmila/fwd
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
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Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
Sharmila
--
Apratim Sarkar
ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>hNya...apnader(maane purush-der) logic-e oshob maakhle lok-jon-der to
>bhaalo-i dekhay...
Dhop'ta kheye gechhen dekhchhi.
>tai bhablaam 'equal' jokhon hote-i chai...ta'le shob
>dik diye-i hoyi na kano? Akhon apnader Indranil'da' poth dekhiye
>dichchhen...apnara-i ba pechhpa kano?
Equality to katobhabe ana jai. Dhorun Sharmila'debi'r moto
train'e basha'r jaiga'ta chheRe dilen. Ami to shange
meye thakte KGP theke konodin dNaRiye ashini. Sesher dike
chhele'der shange ashtei chaitam na.
>Tobe oshob maakhle kasthho hNashi-ta bodle dNeto hNaashi deben -
>phataphati laagbe!
Etao ki 'apnader' nakol'e?
>Indrani.
Apratim.
--
Ghash parjanta durbodhya! mati Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
rahashyamaya; are my own and shouldn't be construed in
Etota rahashya bhalo noi. any way to represent that of my employer.
- Amiyo Chakrabarty.
Srabani Banerjee
Posting from Chaitali Basu
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On 21 May 1996, Amitabha Lahiri wrote:
> > society valorizes and wishes for in women are meekness, submissiveness
> > and adherence to the status quo. "Strong" women from mythology, although
> > glorified in the "ponchokonya smorennityong" shloka, are not preferred
> > choices for names in a patriarchal society because strong and independent
> > women are threatening to the patriarchal mindset.
>
> This is sloppy. Many of what may be called `favoured' names of women
> belonged to very strong people of mythology. Sita, Sabitri, Shakuntala ...
> not to mention the various names for Shakti.
As far as Sita, Sabitri and Sakuntala are concerned the qualities of
submissiveness and loyalty were possessed by them to a great extent.
If I am not very wrong the only reason they lived was for the well-fare of
their husbands.
> Has anyone else noticed that every one of the `panchokanya' slept with more
> than one male? And that Urbashi or Rambha are not common names either?
I had heard that it is precisely for this reason they were put in the
class of 'panchokanya' instead of 'satisabitri'. But then again I have
also heard an alternative definition of sati which says to be true to the
man with whom she is staying at any phase of her life.
> Draupadi was a remarkable woman. And there would be few quarrels about
> calling her the `strongest' woman in all of Hindu mythology. However,
> strong women are not exactly a rarity in Hindu mythology either.
If you believe in the myth that she had to marry five men because of
Kunti's statement to her sons - "Ja enecho bhaag kore nayo", then you may
have a second thought on that matter. Also in the stage where they were
going to swarga, she fell first because she had a greater inclination for
Arjun than others. So this means that she had made some sort of a
committment of being impartial in her distribution of emotions for all
five males and failed to do so. That may have caused her lots of mental
pains - well divorce was possibly not a legal alternative for her to get
out either. But she could have refused the rest being as strong as she is
often projected for the cause of truth.
> Amitabha
Chaitali
)
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
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Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
>ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>>tai bhablaam 'equal' jokhon hote-i chai...ta'le shob
>>dik diye-i hoyi na kano? Akhon apnader Indranil'da' poth dekhiye
>>dichchhen...apnara-i ba pechhpa kano?
>
> Equality to katobhabe ana jai. Dhorun Sharmila'debi'r moto
> train'e basha'r jaiga'ta chheRe dilen. Ami to shange
> meye thakte KGP theke konodin dNaRiye ashini. Sesher dike
> chhele'der shange ashtei chaitam na.
>>Indrani.
>
> Apratim.
Apratimbabu, aato-ta sceptic howa bodh hoi bhalo na, ki bolen?
Aar aapnara(aapni bolchi na) jokhon kono mohilar jonyo jaiga chere dyan,
sheta-o ki oi equality anar jonyo?
Sharmila
--
"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"
- Abraham Lincoln
Indrani DasGupta
Snehasis Ganguly (sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu) says...
>
>
> Meyera jodi eiy-forum etey World Bank, IMF eiy sombondhe
> kichu idea charen to 'c'-ing ta 'A+'-ing hoey | Anarcho-
> syndicalist commune etey kikorey anarchy dur kortey
hobey
> etao meyeder kaach theke jaana dorkar | Tachara onara
jodi
> BJP, election ebong Yajuvinder Singh vs. Eknath
Solker-er
> comparision koren to aaro bhalo hoey| Aaar onara ki
brand-er
> cigarette bhalobashen seitaa bodhai beshi ruchikor
Lipstick-er
> brand er cheye|
> Snehasis
Ehe! Apni to moshai Solkar(oi '78-er Eden-er) ki, shoyong Gundappa-ke-o
chhaaDiye gelen apnaar fielding-kola-y! :-)
Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) says...
>
>ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>
>>hNya...apnader(maane purush-der) logic-e oshob maakhle lok-jon-der to
>>bhaalo-i dekhay...
>
> Dhop'ta kheye gechhen dekhchhi.
Na khele ki rokkhhe aachhe?
>>Tobe oshob maakhle kasthho hNashi-ta bodle dNeto hNaashi deben -
>>phataphati laagbe!
>
> Etao ki 'apnader' nakol'e?
>
> Apratim.
Apni IDG-ke-o chhaDiye jachchhen Yajurvindra-r record-er khNoj-e. Majhe
modhye shei '78-er Eden-er Solkar-ke-o ektu namaan - noile to 'alternate
power axis'-ta bemalum haowa hoye jaabe!
Indrani.
Raghu Seshadri
: Posting from Chaitali Basu
: As far as Sita, Sabitri and Sakuntala are concerned the qualities of
: submissiveness and loyalty were possessed by them to a great extent.
: If I am not very wrong the only reason they lived was for the well-fare of
: their husbands.
Are we talking about the same Sati Savitri ?
The Savitri I have read about rejected all
the suitors her parents brought, went riding
around her kingdom on a chariot looking
for a man, and when she found love with
a woodcutter, promptly married him without
worrying about class differences. Sounds
pretty strong to me. How many have been
known to best the Lord of Death ?
And as for Shakuntala, here is a woman
who has pre-marital sex in an ashram,
(read the original instead of Kalidasa's
gloss ) and when the man appears to
disown her, gives a ringing angry speech
without any fear right there in the
royal court, and then goes away with
head held high to bring up her son all
by herself. Again hardly any timidity
or submissiveness there.
Even the most submissive of the three
is not all that meek. She overrules
Rama's decision about staying on in
the palace ( my grandmother used to say
that the moral of the story is the jungle
is preferable to living with the mother-in-law :-);
she eggs an unwilling Rama on to go catch
the golden deer by saying "what's the
matter ? are you afraid " ? She delivers
a stinging and angry speech to Lakshmana
when he doesn't do what she orders him to;
she stands up fearlessly and resolutely
to Ravana's taunts and intimidations;
she shows her will power by not meekly
tolerating Rama's insinuation at the
end of the war, and promptly jumping into
the fire; and the resolute Sita of the
Uttara Ramayana doesn't need describing.
I feel these 3 ladies show more strength
and resolution that several hundred
million real world women of today !
So I find your comment incomprehensible.
: Chaitali
Indrani DasGupta
Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) says...
>
>Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
>> Shottyi-i bhoy pechhile naki? :-) Aare dur! SCB-ta akdom boring hoye
>> jaachchhe! Shudhu chhele-rai lekhen! Meye-ra aar lekhen koi? Shob
>> lurkers...ei ja. Teen-chaar-jon 'Bangla-r Baghini' chhaDa mukh phute
>> kichchhu bolaar shaahosh dekhchhi khub kom meye-der-i aachhe. Eta-r
>> kaaron-ta thhik ki...bojhaar bhishon cheshta korchhi. Lojja, na bhoy?
Aar
>> sheta kaake-i baa?
>
> Indrani, lojja ba bhoi chara aaro kichu karon thakte pare.
Jyamon,
>ojotha shomoi noshto, kichu faceless lokeder shathe torko ebong tader
>opor nijer point-of-view jahir korar nirorthok cheshta, ityadi...
Ei sherechhe! Eke-r por ak khali hok kotha bole cholechho dekhchhi.
Tomaar holo-ta ki? :-)
> Jeebon-er onnyanno jayga-gulo-te to amaader akrokom
>> mukh bondho kore-i thhakte hoy...for whatever reasons...shekhetre
SCB-r
>> moto 'democratic' forum durlobh.
>
> Aei kotha-ta aami puro puri mene nite partaam jodi tumi
`aamader'
>kotha-ta byabohar na korte. Tomar ki dharona cheleder mukh bondho kore
>thakte hoi na? Prochur hoi, onek hoi, :).
Nijer thheke mukh bondho kora aar keu joD kore mukh-ta chepe bondhyo
koriye deowa-te to one-e-ek tofaat, Sharmila-di. Meyeder porer-tai
shadharonoto hoye thhaake.
> Tobe dekhechhi...ei
>> gesture-ta kintu beshirbhaag-i boyoshko bhodrolok-der thheke-i aashe.
>> Amaader boyosh-i chhele-ra oshob-er modhye nei mon-e hoy. Jnara koren
>> tNara ektu kintu-kintu kore koren...paachhe ukto mohila-ti tNaader
>> baap-bapaanto kore chhaDen. :-)
>
>
> Aare she risk to aachei; eta female `conditioning'...orthat,
hotat aei
>chinta mathai aashe je cheletar uddeshyp bodh hoi shot noi, :)
Tahole to eta-te-o de-conditioned hote hoy!
>
>... Chupi chupi boli je e byapare ayk bochorer prochestai aamar
>> >boss kichuta de-conditioned hoyechen, :).
>>
>> Tomaar boss bangla jaanen? :-)
>
>
> Ta janen na, oboshyo janleo SCB porar moto durmoti onar aakhono
hoi ni,
>:)
Oof! Bhodrolok/bhodromohila bNaachen ki ashaye?? :-)
>
>Sharmila
Indrani.
Indrani/Sharmila-fwd
POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
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Somdev Sen wrote:
>Aare net-e torkatorki-r pre-condition-tai to tai je
>ekhane sobai 'faceless'....tai to sobai besh nirbhoi-e
>ebong impartially(I hope) motamot dite pare...
Aamar to mone hoi real-life motamot aar net motamot-e kono
parthokko rakha uchit noi; noile je real-life-e besh mushkile porte hobe,
ki bolen?
>
>Tobe chhele-der mukh bondho kore thakar byapar-ta 100%
>shothik...in fact otato mone hoi increasing function of
>time taai na....
Ta kichuta shotti bote, tobe ete to aar karur haat nei, kaaler
goti ke aar rukhbe? :)
>
>Aar oi uddeshyo sat na hobar je 'conditioning'-tar katha
>bollen, ota khub ekta dekha jaai ki ? Kolkata-r bus-e
>ba tram-e konodin kono mohila-ke jaaiga chhere die ami to
>konodin bap-bapanto suni ni. Asha kori t(n)ara sobai khub
>reasonable ebong rational(jodio conditioned) mohila
>chhilen.
>
>Somdev.
Othoba aeo hote paare je aapnakey dekhe karur mone hoi ni je
aapnar kono oshot uddeshyo thakte pare, :)
Nandini
jb...@cornell.edu (Joydeep Bhattacharya) wrote:
>Kolkataye ek bhodrolok ke chintam; naam Macbeth Mitra. Shottyi! Iyarki
marchi
>na! Shei niye bondhu-bandhob ra besh roshikota kortam; eta ekta khela
hoye
>daNriyechilo; erokhom shob naam matha theke bar kora; udharon jemni
Markov
>Modok, Pierre Pramanik, Helle Halder, ..., Dorja Dutta, Lalmohon
Liebnitz,
>Gauss Ganguly, Jean-Paul Jana, Brojosekhor Baxter, ....
ami ekti meyer katha jantam, tar naam chhilo Cosmonautica Bharati,
aar taar bhaier naam Ashok D'Gaulle Bharati. Bharati upaadhiti ekantobhabei
pitridotto, jemon naamgulo -- babar padobi bod hoy Das jatiyo kichhu chhilo,
shunechhilam nationalism/patriotism gochher kichhu ektar khatire podobi
bodle den chhele-meyer.
Aar ekti meyeke chintaam, taar naam chhilo- Nymphiarubra Pal (
shunechhilaam kono phul-tuler scientific naam), taar bhaier naam chhilo
Nucleus Pal. Amar ek bondhur naam Photon Rao-- she h-nu bole shoi kore.
Ta chhara kichhu din age kolkatar kagoje dekhlam Bankshall Court e
affidavit kore Fatima Begum gochher naam-dhaari keu ek jon Sushmita Sen
naam grohon korechhe.
What's in a name?
Nandini
Debjeet Pal
Indrani DasGupta (ID2...@american.edu) wrote:
: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) says...
: >
: >De-conditioned hoa-ta ki atoi joruri? Chhele-meye-r modhye ektu tofat
: >thakbe na? Amader-o lipstick makhte hobe naki?
: >
: >Indranil.
: Maakhun na...besh dekhabe...
: Indrani.
"Aayi poth j-o-d-i naaa shesh hoy, tobay kemon hoto tumi bolo to....."
Ei gaan-tar shomoy Uttom-kay kintu chop-chopay koray lipstick makhayo
darun dekhachchilo..............
Kintu ta holayo cheleder lipstick maakhtay hobay, a ami kokhonoi monay
kori na.
Equality baparta besh mojar, o khub shubidaybadi. Aray, chele er meyer shob
shomoyi tofhat thakbay -
In general, meye-rai cheleder moto hotay chay and not the other way round.
Aayi jemon, shirt-pant pora, cigarette khaoa, maal khoa, agulo keno
increasingly attractive keno (meyeder kaachay)??
Akhono-to biyer for meyeder surname paltaaye, meyera cheleder baritay giye
othay, and not vice-versa...........eta ki global-conditioning!!!
Apnara prithibi-tay kothao dekhechen jay cheleder bostay debar jonno
meyera seat cheray dichchay.......er opposite-ta kintu monay hoy normal,
(manly??) etakay ami conditioning bolbo na......
Deshay bus-a lekha thakay "mohila-der jonno" , purush-der jonno lekha thakay
na. Atar baparay mohila-ra ki bolen??
Chele chele, meye meye...........eta to thik re baba......
Aajkaal-ker meyera to feminine kichui pochondo koray na, nijer identity
muchay diye bhabay-bhongitay cheleder moto hotay parlayi jeno ekta bishaal
krititto.........!!!!!!!
Na, atayi hoyto scb-ir onek didi-debi-ra amaay kill-file koray debe!!**!!
scb-tay meyeder discrimination niye onek kichu hochchay, tai ami ektu
onno perspective-a eta post korchi, please serious neben na.
Debjeet.
Somdev Sen
Ei Cosmonautica ebong tar bhai Ashok D'Gaulle dujonei JU-te porto taai
na ? Eder baba-i ki Haripada Bharati, jini besh koekbar Lok Sabha
election contest korechhilen ?
Tobe unconventional naam-er aar ekta chhoto udahoron di, khub earth-shaking
noi obosso, amar dui mamato bhai aachhe Delhi-te tader naam Caesar Sengupta
aar Rustam Sengupta.
Somdev.
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100 N. Whisman Road, #139
Mountain View, CA 94043-4925
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Somdev Sen
Indrani/Sharmila-fwd wrote:
>
> POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
> ******************************
>
> Somdev Sen wrote:
>
> >Aare net-e torkatorki-r pre-condition-tai to tai je
> >ekhane sobai 'faceless'....tai to sobai besh nirbhoi-e
> >ebong impartially(I hope) motamot dite pare...
>
> Aamar to mone hoi real-life motamot aar net motamot-e kono
> parthokko rakha uchit noi; noile je real-life-e besh mushkile porte hobe,
> ki bolen?
>
Ekebare sotti katha, tobe net-anonymity-r karone onekei
sahos kore onek kichhu bole phelte paaren, jegulo real-life-e
t(n)ara bole uthte paren na. To t(n)ader motamot-gulo-o
to mulyaban taai na ? Bechara-ra hoi to real life-e ei
motamot ditei parto na, ar amra koto valuable(supposedly)
opinion theke bonchito hoe thaktam !
> >
> >Tobe chhele-der mukh bondho kore thakar byapar-ta 100%
> >shothik...in fact otato mone hoi increasing function of
> >time taai na....
>
> Ta kichuta shotti bote, tobe ete to aar karur haat nei, kaaler
> goti ke aar rukhbe? :)
>
Hmmmmm, ei dik to bhebe dekhi ni je eta kaaler goti....tobe
ei 'shash-ruddhokor' goti-te samaj-er ar paanch-ta khetre
poriborton aashe na keno seta bujhi na !
> >
> >Aar oi uddeshyo sat na hobar je 'conditioning'-tar katha
> >bollen, ota khub ekta dekha jaai ki ? Kolkata-r bus-e
> >ba tram-e konodin kono mohila-ke jaaiga chhere die ami to
> >konodin bap-bapanto suni ni. Asha kori t(n)ara sobai khub
> >reasonable ebong rational(jodio conditioned) mohila
> >chhilen.
> >
> >Somdev.
>
> Othoba aeo hote paare je aapnakey dekhe karur mone hoi ni je
> aapnar kono oshot uddeshyo thakte pare, :)
>
> Sharmila
>
Bhalo, bhalo khub-i elated hocchi ebong self-congratulatory
back slapping korchhi nijer(sorry for the Nirad C. Chodhuri-sque
language). Dhanyabad.........
> --
> "If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"
> - Abraham Lincoln
Somdev.
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Somdev Sen
100 N. Whisman Road, #139
Mountain View, CA 94043-4925
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Sharmila Mukherjee
Somdev Sen wrote:
> Ekebare sotti katha, tobe net-anonymity-r karone onekei
> sahos kore onek kichhu bole phelte paaren, jegulo real-life-e
> t(n)ara bole uthte paren na. To t(n)ader motamot-gulo-o
> to mulyaban taai na ? Bechara-ra hoi to real life-e ei
> motamot ditei parto na, ar amra koto valuable(supposedly)
> opinion theke bonchito hoe thaktam !
Eta darun bolechen...manush je koto jotil tar proman net-e khub bhaloi
paowa jai.
> Hmmmmm, ei dik to bhebe dekhi ni je eta kaaler goti....tobe
> ei 'shash-ruddhokor' goti-te samaj-er ar paanch-ta khetre
> poriborton aashe na keno seta bujhi na !
Aapni aato taratari aasha chere dichchen? Ektu shobur korben na?
[shot-oshot uddeshshyo]
> Bhalo, bhalo khub-i elated hocchi ebong self-congratulatory
> back slapping korchhi nijer(sorry for the Nirad C. Chodhuri-sque
> language). Dhanyabad.........
Na, eta aar ki? Aami shudhu aykta possibility-r kotha bollam matro, :)
> Somdev.
Sharmila
PS Seriously respond korar jonyo dhonyobaad...koekjon to ektu pa
bariye-i rone-bhongo diyechen, :)......aapnar kaache aykta proshno
chilo. Kichu kichu chelera aato olpote-i threatened bodh koren kano
bolunto?
Srabani Banerjee
Somdev Sen writes:
>Nandini wrote:
>> ami ekti meyer katha jantam, tar naam chhilo Cosmonautica Bharati,
>> aar taar bhaier naam Ashok D'Gaulle Bharati. Bharati upaadhiti ekantobhabei
>> pitridotto, jemon naamgulo -- babar padobi bod hoy Das jatiyo kichhu chhilo,
>> shunechhilam nationalism/patriotism gochher kichhu ektar khatire podobi
>> bodle den chhele-meyer.
>>
>> Aar ekti meyeke chintaam, taar naam chhilo- Nymphiarubra Pal (
>> shunechhilaam kono phul-tuler scientific naam), taar bhaier naam chhilo
>> Nucleus Pal. Amar ek bondhur naam Photon Rao-- she h-nu bole shoi kore.
>>
>> Ta chhara kichhu din age kolkatar kagoje dekhlam Bankshall Court e
>> affidavit kore Fatima Begum gochher naam-dhaari keu ek jon Sushmita Sen
>> naam grohon korechhe.
>>
>> What's in a name?
>> Nandini
>Ei Cosmonautica ebong tar bhai Ashok D'Gaulle dujonei JU-te porto taai
>na ? Eder baba-i ki Haripada Bharati, jini besh koekbar Lok Sabha
>election contest korechhilen ?
>Tobe unconventional naam-er aar ekta chhoto udahoron di, khub earth-shaking
>noi obosso, amar dui mamato bhai aachhe Delhi-te tader naam Caesar Sengupta
>aar Rustam Sengupta.
Shunechhilam Mohunbagan-er Compton Dutta-ra naki char bhai chhilen -
Compton, Milton, Newton,... (shesher-ta monet nei)
Egulo to bideshi naam lagiye `unconventional' howa. Unconventional, kintu
khati bangali naamer shobchaite bhalo udahoron shunechhilam ekjon
Shantiniketon-er bhodromohila-r kachhe. Kono ek baDi-r tin chheler naam
chhilo Bojrodhwoj Biraatbokkho, Meenodhwoj Mormorbokkho ar Kopidhwoj
Kopaatbokkho. Naamgulo aboshyo beshidin naki chole ni. BoDo chheler teacher
naam shune iyarki marchhe bhebe class theke tNake bar kore deoar pore
naam-gulo palte phela hoy - bodle ki hoyechhilo aboshyo janina.
Regards,
Srabani
Somdev Sen
H(n)aa tobey o(n)raa char bhai noi, chhoi(6) bhai - naam jothakrome
Lytton, Palton, Milton, Hilton, Newton aar Compton (No Kidding !).
Tobe e(n)der praai sobar-i ekta kore poshaki Bangla naam aachhe seshokto
dujon chhara.
Tobe Bangla Naamkoron-er sobcheye innovative udahoron bodh kori
Sukumar Ray-er HOJOBOROLO-te paoa jaabe - chhata-r, bari-r, gaDu-r
naam Prottutponnomotitto, KinkortobyobimuDha etc. etc.
Somdev.
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Mountain View, CA 94043-4925
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Somdev Sen
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> > Hmmmmm, ei dik to bhebe dekhi ni je eta kaaler goti....tobe
> > ei 'shash-ruddhokor' goti-te samaj-er ar paanch-ta khetre
> > poriborton aashe na keno seta bujhi na !
>
> Aapni aato taratari aasha chere dichchen? Ektu shobur korben na?
>
Aare na ! Aasha chhere dichhi na..sudhu ei 'preferential' poriborton-e
ektu aaschorjo hochhi ei ja..
>
> PS Seriously respond korar jonyo dhonyobaad...koekjon to ektu pa
> bariye-i rone-bhongo diyechen, :)......aapnar kaache aykta proshno
> chilo. Kichu kichu chelera aato olpote-i threatened bodh koren kano
> bolunto?
Hm..eta boroi shokto proshno korlen. Mone hoi amra adhunik jibone
joto beshirokom insecurity-r sommukhin hochhi totoi seigulo amader
onnanyo sob interaction-eo probhab phelchhe. Tobe h(n)aa,
samajbigyani-ra obviously eta onek bhalo bhabe explain korte
parben. Aar ei byapar-e 'threatened' hoar ki aachhe ? Karon eta to
besh harmless discussion, at least compared to the virulent
religious bigotry that we see cross-posted in SCB, taai na ?
Somdev.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Somdev Sen wrote:
> Aare na ! Aasha chhere dichhi na..sudhu ei 'preferential' poriborton-e
> ektu aaschorjo hochhi ei ja..
Preferential kano bolchen?
[..]
Kichu kichu chelera aato olpote-i threatened bodh koren kano
> > bolunto?
>
> Hm..eta boroi shokto proshno korlen. Mone hoi amra adhunik jibone
> joto beshirokom insecurity-r sommukhin hochhi totoi seigulo amader
> onnanyo sob interaction-eo probhab phelchhe.
Sheta to shobar khetre-i projojyo, shudhu cheleder hobe kano?
Tobe h(n)aa,
> samajbigyani-ra obviously eta onek bhalo bhabe explain korte
> parben. Aar ei byapar-e 'threatened' hoar ki aachhe ? Karon eta to
> besh harmless discussion, at least compared to the virulent
> religious bigotry that we see cross-posted in SCB, taai na ?
>
> Somdev.
>
Aapni-ee bolun tahole, er kono mane aache? :) Tahole ki dhore nite hobe
je poriborton-er aagroho shudhu mukher kotha?
Regards,
Sharmila
Somdev Sen
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
> Preferential kano bolchen?
Oi je chhele-der mukh bondho hoa-ta increasing function of time,
sudhu oi khetrei samajik poriborton-ta hochhe, tai bollam
preferential......
Eta to sobcheye soja implement kora, kintu samasya-r mool jekhane
orthat Orthonoitik Swadhinota, tar byapare kintu ekhono kono
organised movement goDe uthte dekhina. Aasole amar mone hoi ekta
jaaiga-te eshe eigulo khub diluted hoe gechhe. Sudhumatro koekta
seminar aar organised political party-gulor manifesto-te lekha
kotogulo orthohin shobdo-te porjoboshito hoechhe.
>
> Sheta to shobar khetre-i projojyo, shudhu cheleder hobe kano?
>
Manifestation-ta chhele-der hochhe, karon ekhon obdhi SCB-te tarai
majority.....
>
> Aapni-ee bolun tahole, er kono mane aache? :) Tahole ki dhore nite hobe
> je poriborton-er aagroho shudhu mukher kotha?
>
> Regards,
>
> Sharmila
Ekdom noi, aami 100% nischit je SCB-ite-ra ontoto sudhu mukhei agrohi
noi. After all, eto poDa-shona kore tahole labh ki ? Sudhui ki sei
sei 'Totakahini'r moto 'Godye Podye Bidya korio jahir' ?
Somdev.
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Somdev Sen
100 N. Whisman Road, #139
Mountain View, CA 94043-4925
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Sharmila-di/fwd
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
>Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) says...
[NG-te na lekhar karon]
Indrani, lojja ba bhoi chara aaro kichu karon thakte pare.
>Jyamon,
>>ojotha shomoi noshto, kichu faceless lokeder shathe torko ebong tader
>>opor nijer point-of-view jahir korar nirorthok cheshta, ityadi...
>
>Ei sherechhe! Eke-r por ak khali hok kotha bole cholechho dekhchhi.
>Tomaar holo-ta ki? :-)
Kintu shunte koto bhalo laaglo, tai na? Aeirokom hok kotha aamra
jibon-e onek shomoy onek-khetre bolte chai, kintu hoito kono
karon-boshoto bola hoye othe na. Tai onyo-ra bolle kintu shunte bhaloi
lage, ki bolo? :)...especially flame-guli jokhon nijer ghare pore na, :)
>Nijer thheke mukh bondho kora aar keu joD kore mukh-ta chepe bondhyo
>koriye deowa-te to one-e-ek tofaat, Sharmila-di. Meyeder porer-tai
>shadharonoto hoye thhaake.
Umm..sheta manlaam kichuta kintu aager thekey onek kom hoi, sheta
manota? Tobe kano aamra `half-full' bolbo naa as opposed to `half-empty'?
[female conditioning]
>Tahole to eta-te-o de-conditioned hote hoy!
Nishchoi..nishchoi..."shob rokom conditioning nipaat jao", ki
bolo? :)
Sharmila
Sharmila-di/fwd
POSTING FROM SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
*******************************
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
>Posting from Chaitali Basu
>
[...]
Tai jodio chelera lipstick lagabe
>kina she niye kono motamot neyi amar, tobu ami kintu Indranil babu'r
shonge
>akmot je shob jinish-e jor kore deconditioned hote gele shetayo equally
>abnormal akta state toiri hobe.
>
>Chaitali
Prothom kotha holo je shob jinish-e deconditioned hobar kono
proshno-i uthche na, ba howa-tao banchoniyo noi. Aamar mone hoi je shob
bhul dharona-r boshoborti hoye chelera ayamon bhebe thaken je Arts-er
meye hole language shikhte parbe na, sheguli dur kora uchit. Aamar mote,
tNader aei chinta dharar pechone aache kichuta `conditioning'. Jyamon
aamar bondhu bhablo je aami char ghonta dNariye jete parbo na. Aei
dharonaguli nishchoi rakha bhalo noi, ki bolen?
Sharmila Mukherjee
POSTING FROM CHAITALI BASU
**************************
On 24 May 1996, Sharmila-di/fwd wrote:
> Prothom kotha holo je shob jinish-e deconditioned hobar kono
> proshno-i uthche na, ba howa-tao banchoniyo noi. Aamar mone hoi je shob
> bhul dharona-r boshoborti hoye chelera ayamon bhebe thaken je Arts-er
> meye hole language shikhte parbe na, sheguli dur kora uchit. Aamar mote,
> tNader aei chinta dharar pechone aache kichuta `conditioning'. Jyamon
> aamar bondhu bhablo je aami char ghonta dNariye jete parbo na. Aei
> dharonaguli nishchoi rakha bhalo noi, ki bolen?
E jinishgulo-ke conditioning bolchen kano? Amra ashe pashe ja dekhi tai
thekei dharona toiri hoye. Je "chelera ayamon bhebe thaken je Arts-er
meye hole language shikhte parbe na", tara hoeto shudhu amon art-er
meyeyi dekhechen jara chesta kore/na kore shikhte pareni. Tai tara oi
dharoner conclusion-e eshechhen. Temni apnar bondhu borabor dekheche je
shob meyeder, tader hoeto chaar ghonta dNariye jaowar moto sharirik
khamota neyi. Tai she apnar shombondheyo aki conclusion tenechhe.
Aar ei dharona rakha bhalo kina jodi bolen to amar mone hoye, over
generalisation kono kichhu shombondheyi bhalo noye. Praye protyekta
manushi amra alada dharoner. Fole interaction-er somoy bujhe nite hobe
onno lok-ta katota nite parbe, she onnojon meyeyi hok ba purush.
> Sharmila
Chaitali
Sharmila Mukherjee
Somdev Sen wrote:
> Oi je chhele-der mukh bondho hoa-ta increasing function of time,
> sudhu oi khetrei samajik poriborton-ta hochhe, tai bollam
> preferential......
Kintu shei poriborton-er -o to jotheshto dorkaar aache, tai noi ki?
[...]
kintu samasya-r mool jekhane
> orthat Orthonoitik Swadhinota, tar byapare kintu ekhono kono
> organised movement goDe uthte dekhina......... Sudhumatro koekta
> seminar aar organised political party-gulor manifesto-te lekha
> kotogulo orthohin shobdo-te porjoboshito hoechhe.
She to aykshobaar, kintu aamar mone hoi je aei bhebe bhebe je`aykta
organised movement shuru kora dorkar, noile desher bhobishshot
ondhokaar' kintu aamra individual basis-e jototuku kortey pari, she
guli-o kora hoye uthchena. Jyamon dhorun aami gram bangla-i giye
mohilader unnoti-r cheshta hoito na-o kore uthte pari je kono karone-i
hok, kintu kormokhetre jate aamar byabohaar-e shodichche-i prokaash pai,
sheti korar to cheshta korte pari? Oi bindu bindu jol diye shomudro
hobar kotha-ta manen nishchoi?
>
> >
> > Sheta to shobar khetre-i projojyo, shudhu cheleder hobe kano?
> >
>
> Manifestation-ta chhele-der hochhe, karon ekhon obdhi SCB-te tarai
> majority.....
Tar mane minority-r manifestation-ta chaapa porche bolchen?
[...] Tahole ki dhore nite hobe
> > je poriborton-er aagroho shudhu mukher kotha?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sharmila
>
> Ekdom noi, aami 100% nischit je SCB-ite-ra ontoto sudhu mukhei agrohi
> noi. After all, eto poDa-shona kore tahole labh ki ? Sudhui ki sei
> sei 'Totakahini'r moto 'Godye Podye Bidya korio jahir' ?
>
> Somdev.
>
Aare shudhu tai kano hobe? Aagroho dyakhano-ta khub fashionable, janen
to? Eta na dyakhale lok-e bolbe ki? :)
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
Language ebong train-e dNariye jabaar bishoi-e Chaitali bolchen:
>
> E jinishgulo-ke conditioning bolchen kano? Amra ashe pashe ja dekhi tai
> thekei dharona toiri hoye. Je "chelera ayamon bhebe thaken je Arts-er
> meye hole language shikhte parbe na", tara hoeto shudhu amon art-er
> meyeyi dekhechen jara chesta kore/na kore shikhte pareni. Tai tara oi
> dharoner conclusion-e eshechhen. Temni apnar bondhu borabor dekheche je
> shob meyeder, tader hoeto chaar ghonta dNariye jaowar moto sharirik
> khamota neyi. Tai she apnar shombondheyo aki conclusion tenechhe.
Thik kotha, kintu ebaar bolun je aapni jodi dyakhen je kono chele
language shikhte him-shim khaachche othoba train-e dNariye thakte na
pere matite boshe poreche, tobe ki aapni bhebe neben je shob chelera-i
erokom?
> Aar ei dharona rakha bhalo kina jodi bolen to amar mone hoye, over
> generalisation kono kichhu shombondheyi bhalo noye. Praye protyekta
> manushi amra alada dharoner. Fole interaction-er somoy bujhe nite hobe
> onno lok-ta katota nite parbe, she onnojon meyeyi hok ba purush.
>
> Chaitali
Kintu interaction korar shujog milbe/chaibe tobeto? Je shob chelera
arts-er meye biye korben na bolen aei bhebe je tNader kothau ghat-ti
aache, tNara nishchoi aapnar uporokto kothati bhaben na.
Sharmila
Rajiv Shukla
In article <4o06io$k...@paladin.american.edu> ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>
>Apni IDG-ke-o chhaDiye jachchhen Yajurvindra-r record-er khNoj-e. Majhe
>modhye shei '78-er Eden-er Solkar-ke-o ektu namaan - noile to 'alternate
>power axis'-ta bemalum haowa hoye jaabe!
>
>Indrani.
>
What did Solkar do at the Eden Gardens in 1978?
Are you talking about the English tour of India in 1976-77? Tony Greig's
team I mean.
The 2nd test was held in Calcutta from 1st-6th January of 1976-77, the first
time in my life I watched a match live on TV, India was as usual miserable
and thrashed by England, some of the things that I still remember was
Gavaskar getting out at the 4th ball of the match, caught at 4th slip by
Chris Old of Bob Willis, Tony Greig scored one of the most painful centuries
I have ever seen, it was 103, Roger Tolchard scored 67 on his debut, the
interesting fact is he was a good wicket keeper but had to be included in
the team as a non-wicketkeeper because of legendary Alan Knott, I also
remember Derek Randall's two boundaries of Bedi at a time when England
lost three quick wickets, Bedi was bowling very tight and Solkar jumping
around at forward shortleg like a joker, I guess that's what you implied,
Solkar was hurling himself on the pitch at every single opportunity and
the silly crowd was going raving mad at sheer joy of seeing somebody tring
to impress beyond limit. Randall gave him a nice treatment, pulled Bedi for
two consecutive fours and Solkar stopped trying for the time being, the
next day was wasted by Greig and Tolchard but in the process they managed
to steal the game away from India.
Rajiv
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ra...@ctt.bellcore.com I don't speak for my
Bell Communications Research employer.
Rajiv Shukla
Rajiv Shukla (ra...@ctt.bellcore.com) wrote:
: In article <4o06io$k...@paladin.american.edu> ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
: >
: >Apni IDG-ke-o chhaDiye jachchhen Yajurvindra-r record-er khNoj-e. Majhe
: >modhye shei '78-er Eden-er Solkar-ke-o ektu namaan - noile to 'alternate
: >power axis'-ta bemalum haowa hoye jaabe!
: >
: >Indrani.
: >
: What did Solkar do at the Eden Gardens in 1978?
: Are you talking about the English tour of India in 1976-77? Tony Greig's
: team I mean.
: The 2nd test was held in Calcutta from 1st-6th January of 1976-77, the first
Oooops! sorry, it should be 1st-6th January of 1977 ;-)
Rajiv
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ra...@ctt.bellcore.com I don't speak for my
Bell Communications Research employer.
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Srabani Banerjee
On 22 May 1996, Raghu Seshadri wrote:
> I feel these 3 ladies show more strength
> and resolution that several hundred
> million real world women of today !
> So I find your comment incomprehensible.
You are right. I withdraw my comment.
Chaitali
Indranil DasGupta
Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: Indranil DasGupta wrote:
: > `Unnecessary' mane ki jar proyojon nei, na ki jar oproyojon achhe?
: Maane dutoi hote pare, tobe e khetre dwityio-ta.
: Lipstick makha jodi `un-necessary' hoy tahole meyeder ki
: > lipstick makha bondho kore deoa uchit?
: Eta to nijoshyo ruchir opor nirbhor korche....onekta aapnader
: dNari-gNof kamanor moto...shokh hole kamaben, na hole kamaben na, byas!
: Jodi lipstick na makha-ta
: > `un-necessary' hoy tahole ki purushder lipstick `na makha' bondho kore
: > dite bolben?
: Jachchole, aapni jinishta-ke aato jotil korchen kano bolunto? Aamar
: mote byaparti ektu-o jotil noi. Meyeder unnecessary meyelipona boltey
: aami boltey cheyechi je aei dhorun `oof! Aar aami roddure dNariye thakte
: parchi na! Aamar ek-khuni ek-khuni ek-khuni ayk-ta chata dorkar!!!'; `Oi
: shob banker kaaj baba aamar dara hobe na, ota aamar kortai korben!';
: ...aei rokom aaro koto ki! Asha kori bujhechen, aar list barachchi na,
: :)
Age lipstick makhar byepaar-e ekta foyshala hoye jak. Ota ki
`unnecessary'? Na ki `na makha-ta' un-necessary? Je kono bishoyei ei
prosno-ta kora jay. Kono ekta kaj `un-necessary' hole sheta na kora-ta
`un-necessary' noy. Abar amon hote pare je kora, na-kora dutoi
`unnecessary' noy. Venn diagram eNeke nile byepaar-ta jol hoye jabe.
: > Chhele o meyeder kotota bibhed hole sheta `un-necessary'? Ei holo prosno.
: Ta aapnar mote er uttor ki howa uchit?
: > Ekhane arts-er jonota ki bolben janina, science-er jonotar kachhe eshob
: > prosner uttor khub shohoj o shoja hoa uchit.
: Really? Then from one science-er jonota to another, uttor ta ki
: bolunto?
: >
Sheta-i to bolbar cheshta korchhi. Tobe dhape dhape egote hobe. Age
Lipstick-er byepaar-ta-te ekta motoikyo gore phele jak. Rohoshyer jot
khulte shuru korbe okhan thekei.
Indranil.
Indrani DasGupta
Rajiv Shukla wrote:
(Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>: >
>: >Apni IDG-ke-o chhaDiye jachchhen Yajurvindra-r record-er khNoj-e.
Majhe
>: >modhye shei '78-er Eden-er Solkar-ke-o ektu namaan - noile to
'alternate
>: >power axis'-ta bemalum haowa hoye jaabe!
>: >
>: >Indrani.
>: >
>
>: What did Solkar do at the Eden Gardens in 1978?
>: Are you talking about the English tour of India in 1976-77? Tony
Greig's
>: team I mean.
>: The 2nd test was held in Calcutta from 1st-6th January of 1976-77, the
first
>
>Oooops! sorry, it should be 1st-6th January of 1977 ;-)
>
>Rajiv
You're right! Ami '77 aar '78 guliye phelechhilaam. Tony Greig-er
team-ta...jeta-te Greig hothaat mathh-er maajhkhane 'shaashtange
pronipaat' hoyechhilo...Solkar ek-er por ek loppa loppa catch phele
dichchhilo. Amaar ak bhai(Solkar fan) dudin khay ni er por. :-)
Indrani.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indranil DasGupta wrote:
> Age lipstick makhar byepaar-e ekta foyshala hoye jak.
Hoye jaak.
Ota ki
> `unnecessary'?
Ota relative byapaar.
Na ki `na makha-ta' un-necessary? Je kono bishoyei ei
> prosno-ta kora jay. Kono ekta kaj `un-necessary' hole sheta na kora-ta
> `un-necessary' noy. Abar amon hote pare je kora, na-kora dutoi
> `unnecessary' noy. Venn diagram eNeke nile byepaar-ta jol hoye jabe.
Nah, aapni je shei chotobela-r onko niye elen dekhchi...onko dekhlei
bole kina aamar aaNgul-chosha shuru hoye jai!.... Aar aapni kichutei
jhere kashchen na kano bolunto? Bottom line-ta ki? Dekhben aabar Venn
diagram ba bNador-er tel-makha-lathi-beye-otha niye aashben na jano!
Sharmila
Somdev Sen
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> Somdev Sen wrote:
>
>
> Kintu shei poriborton-er -o to jotheshto dorkaar aache, tai noi ki?
>
>
Dorkar nischoi aachhe, kintu oikhaane eshei theme gele cholbe keno ?
>
> She to aykshobaar, kintu aamar mone hoi je aei bhebe bhebe je`aykta
> organised movement shuru kora dorkar, noile desher bhobishshot
> ondhokaar' kintu aamra individual basis-e jototuku kortey pari, she
> guli-o kora hoye uthchena. Jyamon dhorun aami gram bangla-i giye
> mohilader unnoti-r cheshta hoito na-o kore uthte pari je kono karone-i
> hok, kintu kormokhetre jate aamar byabohaar-e shodichche-i prokaash pai,
> sheti korar to cheshta korte pari? Oi bindu bindu jol diye shomudro
> hobar kotha-ta manen nishchoi?
>
I agree. Net-ei hok, aar boktrita-r monchei hok, amra sudhu bhason
die-i kortobyo sesh korchhi. E jeno 'Chhaya-r saathe kusti kore gaatre
holo byatha' ! Tobe ekta discordant note aachhe, sudhu byabohar-e
sodichhe prokash pele-i hobe na, kichhu 'concrete' korar chesta-o
joruri.
>
> Tar mane minority-r manifestation-ta chaapa porche bolchen?
>
Kicchuta taai...
>
> Aare shudhu tai kano hobe? Aagroho dyakhano-ta khub fashionable, janen
> to? Eta na dyakhale lok-e bolbe ki? :)
>
> Sharmila
Kintu aagroho dekhie tarpor polayon korle lokmukhe,.......ooops netmukhe
ninde hobe na ? Taar bhoi nei ?
Somdev.
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100 N. Whisman Road, #139
Mountain View, CA 94043-4925
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Sharmila Mukherjee
Somdev Sen wrote:
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>> Kintu shei poriborton-er -o to jotheshto dorkaar aache, tai noi ki?
>Dorkar nischoi aachhe, kintu oikhaane eshei theme gele cholbe keno ?
Tato cholbei na, aamar mone hoi je poriborton kintu theme thakey na,
aykprokar choltei thakey; shudhu kheyal rakha je sheta ki mor nichche.
[..]
>I agree. Net-ei hok, aar boktrita-r monchei hok, amra sudhu bhason
>die-i kortobyo sesh korchhi. E jeno 'Chhaya-r saathe kusti kore gaatre
>holo byatha' ! Tobe ekta discordant note aachhe, sudhu byabohar-e
>sodichhe prokash pele-i hobe na, kichhu 'concrete' korar chesta-o
>joruri.
Aami-o shetai bolte chaichilaam kintu bolle hoito bhashon shonaabe aei
bhoi-e bollam na, :-)...aakhon shudhu aymon upai khuNje baar kora
dorkaar jaatey aamader nitto-noimittik jibon-e kono badha-bighno na
ashe, ki bolen?
>> Tar mane minority-r manifestation-ta chaapa porche bolchen?
>Kicchuta taai...
Otoeb?
>> Aare shudhu tai kano hobe? Aagroho dyakhano-ta khub fashionable, janen to? Eta na dyakhale lok-e bolbe ki? :)
>> Sharmila
>Kintu aagroho dekhie tarpor polayon korle lokmukhe,.......ooops >netmukhe
>ninde hobe na ? Taar bhoi nei ?
>Somdev.
Hoito aache, hoito nei, :)
Sharmila
Apratim Sarkar
Sharmila Mukherjee <s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
>Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>>
>> Sharmiladebi, apnder lab'e bottle opener rakhe na? Khub handy
>> jinish ...
>
> Yea...maane...sheta tokhon khNuje pachchilaam na...tai haaat diye-i
>cheshta chalachchilaam...
Sharmiladebi,
Ekta shamanya bottle opener'r abhabe apnake eto govir shab proshn'r
sammukhin hote holo, tai bhabchhilam ar ki.
>ta Tanvir-ke dekhte paowatei aamar koshto
>laaghob holo...bhaggyish aapni shamne chilen na, :)...
Amake diye apnar bodhai kono labh hoto na, amar gaye ekdam jor nei.
Botol shab bou khole.
>aar lipstick
>lagano-ta aapnar ku-poramorsho mone holo kano bolun to?
Dhorun jodi ajke Indranidebi'ke ami gNop rakhte boli, rakhle onake
"besh dekhabe" e'i dhop khaiye, apnar ki sheta kuparamorsho mone
habe na?
> Sharmila
>
>Baylor College of Medicine
>Houston, TX 77030
>e-mail:s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu
Apratim.
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"Bohudin dekhini akash'ke| are my own and shouldn't be construed in
Ushno tomar smriti ekhono any way to represent that of my employer.
Amar e hriadyer flask'e|"
Sharmila Mukherjee
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
> Sharmiladebi,
>
> Ekta shamanya bottle opener'r abhabe apnake eto govir shab proshn'r
> sammukhin hote holo, tai bhabchhilam ar ki.
Bhabun bhabun, bhabanor jonyo-i to lekha, :)
>
> >ta Tanvir-ke dekhte paowatei aamar koshto
> >laaghob holo...bhaggyish aapni shamne chilen na, :)...
>
> Amake diye apnar bodhai kono labh hoto na, amar gaye ekdam jor nei.
> Botol shab bou khole.
Shei jonyo-i to bola..aapni train-e meyeder shaathe aashten jate kore
boshte paan...aapnake diye ki aar botol kholano jaabe?
> Dhorun jodi ajke Indranidebi'ke ami gNop rakhte boli, rakhle onake
> "besh dekhabe" e'i dhop khaiye, apnar ki sheta kuparamorsho mone hobe?
> Apratim.
Aapnar aei analogy-te mone porlo bohudin aagey aapni aei rokom aykta
odbhut analogy khara koriyechilen, aamar prothom lekha `social security
card' thread-er opor. Tokhon aami otake ki bhabe handle korbo(maane
aato-i odbhut chilo sheta...exactly ki aykhon mone nei) bujhte na pere
uriye diyechilaam. Aei shob aapnar mathai ki kore aashe bolunto? GNop
rakha aar lipstick lagano? Eto `Dashu-r' analogy, :)
Sharmila
Somdev Sen
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> Tato cholbei na, aamar mone hoi je poriborton kintu theme thakey na,
> aykprokar choltei thakey; shudhu kheyal rakha je sheta ki mor nichche.
>
>
Ei choltei thaka prosonge ekta comic strip-er katha mone pore gelo
jekhane ekti choritro-ke aar ekjon proshno korchhe "What's your
income ?". Taar uttor holo "Its approaching six figures". To onnojon
khub impressed hoe chole gelo. Aar e nijer mone mone bollo "I didn't
say at 'what rate' it is approaching six figures !". Rate-ta khub
ekta ashaprodo noi, eitai amar mool contention chhilo.
>
> Aami-o shetai bolte chaichilaam kintu bolle hoito bhashon shonaabe aei
> bhoi-e bollam na, :-)...aakhon shudhu aymon upai khuNje baar kora
> dorkaar jaatey aamader nitto-noimittik jibon-e kono badha-bighno na
> ashe, ki bolen?
>
Taa to botei.
>
> Otoeb?
>
>
Otoeb aapnara aro ektu vociferous hon, after all minority jodi jothesto
vociferous hoi, tobe taake keu thekie raakhte paare na.
>
> Hoito aache, hoito nei, :)
>
> Sharmila
Eta kirokom holo ? E to sei Shuktara na Anandamela-te Shobdo-Jobdo na
ki ekta dh(n)adha thakto sei rokom hoe gelo. Ektu bujhie deben ?
Somdev.
Raghu Seshadri
: You are right. I withdraw my comment.
: Chaitali
I most definitely do not mean to
embarrass Ms Chaitali Basu by these
compliments - so pardon me if I
make you blush ...
I have to mark, however, how rare
and almost unique it is in these
contentious fora to find someone who
reads a different view patiently,
and then says "you are right. i have
changed my mind on the subject".
This used to be the intellectual's
credo; sadly, however, having an
open mind, being receptive to new
thoughts, and being willing to change
one's position - all these things
have largely gone the way of the
Sunderbans tiger - spotted here and
there, but mostly gone.
In these dogmatic times, it is
nice to be able to celebrate the
open-mindedness still shown by some
people - Ms Basu, ( one of a tiny band
of such elite ) among them.
May your tribe increase ! (cf Abu
ben Adam )
RS
sayan bhattacharyya
Indrani DasGupta <ID2...@american.edu> wrote:
>Sayan Bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>>Curiously enough, among tribals, where women enjoy more freedom and
>society
>>is less patriarchal, "Droupodee" is quite a common name. Recall that the
>>name of the Santhal woman who was one of the principal characters in
>>Mahashweta Devi's "Agni-garbha" was called "Dopdee (i.e. Droupodee)
>>Mejhen".
>
>Ei golpo-ta bhishon daag ketechhilo mon-e. Kota "shobhyo" meye - after
>undergoing the kind of malicious, inhumane torture that "Dopdi-mejhen"
>went through would have, not only the ability, but the will to
>answer/fight back? Her 'le...counter kor...COUNTER KOR!!" is a testimony
>to the inherent strength in _all_ women to defy an unjust system that
>thrives on abject acquiescence to its norms.
Agreed. This was a wonderful novel and Dopdee Mejhen was a memorable
character. She was also a very resourceful person (recall the presence of
mind she displayed when she warned her comrades with a ululating danger-signal
cry when she was arrested at the watering-place).
But was her inner strength only a consequence of the fact that she was a
tribal from a society not yet completely patriarchy-fied? That is part of
the reason, yes, but I suspect, not the whole reason. Taking part in a
struggle, especially in a just struggle, along with like-minded people,
is itself a tremendously empowering and consciousness-raising experience.
That was the other part of the reason. When you are fighting for justice
__alongside others__ , you come to realize that the struggle will go on
and final victory will be yours eventually, even if you do not live to
see it.
Incidentally, did you know that Bosai Tudu in the novel is actually based
on a real-life tribal leader (by the name of Buton Ram)?
-Sayan.
sayan bhattacharyya
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>khati bangali naamer shobchaite bhalo udahoron shunechhilam ekjon
>Shantiniketon-er bhodromohila-r kachhe. Kono ek baDi-r tin chheler naam
>chhilo Bojrodhwoj Biraatbokkho, Meenodhwoj Mormorbokkho ar Kopidhwoj
>Kopaatbokkho.
You got the names right, but the place is not Shantiniketan, it is Shantipur
(Nadia district). I have heard the story of these brothers from my mother
(who is from Shantipur by birth).
Another interesting person from Shantipur (with an interesting name too)
was Ashananda DHNeki. He was a body-builder who could operate giant DHNekis
single-handed (hence the last name). Another story about him was that he
could produce oil from mustard (shorshe) by simply crushing the mustard
with his bare palms. There is a song about him which begins
Shantipuret jonme ami dhonyo monet kori,
deher shokti dekhiye gechhen Ashananda DHNeki.... etc
-Sayan.
Indranil
Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: Indranil DasGupta wrote:
: > Age lipstick makhar byepaar-e ekta foyshala hoye jak.
: Hoye jaak.
: Ota ki
: > `unnecessary'?
: Ota relative byapaar.
Mane? Reastaurant-e boshe Chinese khabar shomoy `un-necessary' noy kintu
rate kol-balish joriye ghumobar shomoy `un-necessary', eirokom shoja
kichhu na aro jotilota achhe?
: Na ki `na makha-ta' un-necessary? Je kono bishoyei ei
: > prosno-ta kora jay. Kono ekta kaj `un-necessary' hole sheta na kora-ta
: > `un-necessary' noy. Abar amon hote pare je kora, na-kora dutoi
: > `unnecessary' noy. Venn diagram eNeke nile byepaar-ta jol hoye jabe.
: Nah, aapni je shei chotobela-r onko niye elen dekhchi...onko dekhlei
: bole kina aamar aaNgul-chosha shuru hoye jai!.... Aar aapni kichutei
: jhere kashchen na kano bolunto? Bottom line-ta ki? Dekhben aabar Venn
: diagram ba bNador-er tel-makha-lathi-beye-otha niye aashben na jano!
: Sharmila
Venn Diagram chhaDa bottom line-e pNouchhote chaan? Dekhun chNade jete
hole rocket lage. Ami kalipujor rocket-ei pathabo bhabchhilaam apnake. Akhon
apni tao keDe niyechhen. Jog ar biyog-ta cholbe ki?
Bottom-line-ta khub shoja. Bottomline-ta holo ... bottom line-ta holo ..
...
... ei kheyechhe .. kalke rate Apratim ekta wine khaoalo janen, kom-i
khelaam, kintu tarpor theke-i mathata kamon jhim jhim korchhe. Mairi
bolchhi goto hoptay darun ekta uttor toiri chhilo, apnar oi lipstick-er
byepaarta mite gelei likhe phelbo bhebechhilaam. Akhon akdom mone korte
parchhi na! Ar apni-o Venn diagram niye poDe achhen! Ashchorjo lok
mairi! Kobe theke bolchhi lipstick-er byepaarta mitiye phelte! Deri kore
kore dilen to shob kNachiye! Abar prothom theke bhabte hobe.
Thik achhe. Abar thekei shuru kora jak tahole. Question number one:
Konta `un-necessary' ar konta `un-necessary' noy sheta ke thik kore debe?
Senate, Congress na BJP?
Hmmm ... thik-i hoyechhe prosno-ta. Bottom-line-er dikei egochchhi
mone hochchhe.
Taratari jobab deben kintu ebar, kindly. Abar ke ki khaiye debe thik nei.
Indranil.
Apratim Sarkar
ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) says...
>>
>>ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>>
>>>hNya...apnader(maane purush-der) logic-e oshob maakhle lok-jon-der to
>>>bhaalo-i dekhay...
>>
>> Dhop'ta kheye gechhen dekhchhi.
>
>Na khele ki rokkhhe aachhe?
Bhut'r bhai dekhano hoi naki na makhle?
>>>Tobe oshob maakhle kasthho hNashi-ta bodle dNeto hNaashi deben -
>>>phataphati laagbe!
>>
>> Etao ki 'apnader' nakol'e?
>>
>> Apratim.
>
>Apni IDG-ke-o chhaDiye jachchhen Yajurvindra-r record-er khNoj-e. Majhe
>modhye shei '78-er Eden-er Solkar-ke-o ektu namaan - noile to 'alternate
>power axis'-ta bemalum haowa hoye jaabe!
She shukh ki ar shoibe, Indranidebi ...
>Indrani.
Apnake ekta anurodh korchhi, SCI'r jhagRa'ta SCI'te'i korle kemon hoi?
Chaile apnake SCB'r charter'ta mail kore dite pari.
Apratim Sarkar
(Indrani/Sharmila - fwd) writes:
>POSTING FOR SHARMILA MUKHERJEE
>******************************
>
>Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>>
>>ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
>
>>>tai bhablaam 'equal' jokhon hote-i chai...ta'le shob
>>>dik diye-i hoyi na kano? Akhon apnader Indranil'da' poth dekhiye
>>>dichchhen...apnara-i ba pechhpa kano?
>>
>> Equality to katobhabe ana jai. Dhorun Sharmila'debi'r moto
>> train'e basha'r jaiga'ta chheRe dilen. Ami to shange
>> meye thakte KGP theke konodin dNaRiye ashini. Sesher dike
>> chhele'der shange ashtei chaitam na.
>
> Apratimbabu, aato-ta sceptic howa bodh hoi bhalo na, ki bolen?
Skepticism? Ki byapare!? Kono abishwas prokash korini to ...
Anyway, age unit'ta janan. "Aato"'ta mane thik katota?
>Aar aapnara(aapni bolchi na) jokhon kono mohilar jonyo jaiga chere dyan,
>sheta-o ki oi equality anar jonyo?
Bolte parbo na. Experience nei.
> Sharmila
Apratim Sarkar
>... ei kheyechhe .. kalke rate Apratim ekta wine khaoalo janen, kom-i
>khelaam, kintu tarpor theke-i mathata kamon jhim jhim korchhe. Mairi
Khele to mote du dhNok tao gato saptahe she dhumki ekhono cholchhe?
Bolechhilum Glenfiddich ar Fernet Branca na meshate ...
>Konta `un-necessary' ar konta `un-necessary' noy sheta ke thik kore debe?
>Senate, Congress na BJP?
Bam'der puro katiye dile? Tader kono say thakbe na? At least
CPI(ML)'ke rakho - panchadash kendriyo committee'ke - naki eddine
shaptadash'o toiri hoye gelo?
>Indranil.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Somdev Sen wrote:
[...] Rate-ta khub
> ekta ashaprodo noi, eitai amar mool contention chhilo.
Kintu tao to aykta rate aache, aashoprodo na holeo. Aastey aastey
barbey nishchoi, ontoto shei aasha raakhi.
...aakhon shudhu aymon upai khuNje baar kora
> > dorkaar jaatey aamader nitto-noimittik jibon-e kono badha-bighno na
> > ashe, ki bolen?
> >
> Taa to botei.
Sheki? Aykbakye kotha-ta mene nilen? `Eta to selfishness-er porichoi',
e kotha bolben na?
> Otoeb aapnara aro ektu vociferous hon, after all minority jodi jothesto
> vociferous hoi, tobe taake keu thekie raakhte paare na.
Aapnar ki dharona shudhu chNyachalei fol paowa jai? Tobey to firband
feminist-ra onek din aagei judhdhe joyee hoye jeten, :)
>
> >
> > Hoito aache, hoito nei, :)
> >
> > Sharmila
>
> Eta kirokom holo ? E to sei Shuktara na Anandamela-te Shobdo-Jobdo na
> ki ekta dh(n)adha thakto sei rokom hoe gelo. Ektu bujhie deben ?
>
> Somdev.
Mane aapni jantey chaichilen je jNara aagroho dekhiye polayon koren
tNader pore mukh dyakhate lojja korbe kina. Aami boltey chaichilaam je
hoito korbey hoito korbey na, :)...kaar ki reaction hobe ta ki aar onyer
pokkhe bola shombhob? :)
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indranil wrote:
>
> Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
> : Indranil DasGupta wrote:
>
> : > Age lipstick makhar byepaar-e ekta foyshala hoye jak.
> : Hoye jaak.
>
> : Ota ki
> : > `unnecessary'?
> : Ota relative byapaar.
>
> Mane? Reastaurant-e boshe Chinese khabar shomoy `un-necessary' noy kintu
> rate kol-balish joriye ghumobar shomoy `un-necessary', eirokom shoja
> kichhu na aro jotilota achhe?
Tar shongey aeite jure din je prothom-ti hoito A-r kache unnecessary,
aar porerti B-r kache.
[...] Mairi
> bolchhi goto hoptay darun ekta uttor toiri chhilo, apnar oi lipstick-er
> byepaarta mite gelei likhe phelbo bhebechhilaam. Akhon akdom mone korte
> parchhi na! Ar apni-o Venn diagram niye poDe achhen!
Ven diagram niye aami pore aachi? Ki aashchorjyo! Ota to aapni aanlen.
Aar aami to aaj ritimoto bhoi-e bhoi-e SCB khullam je hoito dekhbo aapni
ekti onker proshno mala dhoriye diyechen!
Ashchorjo lok
> mairi! Kobe theke bolchhi lipstick-er byepaarta mitiye phelte! Deri kore
> kore dilen to shob kNachiye! Abar prothom theke bhabte hobe.
Aapnar aei kotha-te amar mone porlo aamar kaka-r kotha. Uni baritey
Lakkhi pujo korten. Pujo korar shomoi niyom chilo je jara pujo dekhche,
tara keu kotha boltey parbe na, kotha bolle onar montro guliye jeto.
Aamon onek baar hoyeche je aamader golpo-te byaghaat howai uni majhpothe
chere diye aabar prothom theky shuru korechen. Aei kore du ghonta-r pujo
pNaach ghontai shesh hoto.
>
> Thik achhe. Abar thekei shuru kora jak tahole. Question number one:
>
> Konta `un-necessary' ar konta `un-necessary' noy sheta ke thik kore debe?
ke aabar thik kore debe, jara bhukto-bhugi tNara nijerai thik kore
neben.
> Indranil.
Aami taratari-ee jobab dei, aamar server aapnar kache pNouche dai na.
Ki mushkil!
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> (Indrani/Sharmila - fwd) writes:
> >Apratim Sarkar wrote:
> >>
> >>ID2...@american.edu (Indrani DasGupta) writes:
> >
> >>>tai bhablaam 'equal' jokhon hote-i chai...ta'le shob
> >>>dik diye-i hoyi na kano? Akhon apnader Indranil'da' poth dekhiye
> >>>dichchhen...apnara-i ba pechhpa kano?
> >>
> >> Equality to katobhabe ana jai. Dhorun Sharmila'debi'r moto
> >> train'e basha'r jaiga'ta chheRe dilen.[...]
> >
> > Apratimbabu, aato-ta sceptic howa bodh hoi bhalo na, ki bolen?
>
> Skepticism? Ki byapare!? Kono abishwas prokash korini to ...
Bolchen? Aachcha, mene nilaam.
>
> Anyway, age unit'ta janan. "Aato"'ta mane thik katota?
Sheta to aapnar bolar kotha.
>
> >Aar aapnara(aapni bolchi na) jokhon kono mohilar jonyo jaiga chere dyan,
> >sheta-o ki oi equality anar jonyo?
>
> Bolte parbo na. Experience nei.
>
> > Sharmila
>
> Apratim.
Othocho eta bollen je equality anar aykta upai holo meyera cheleder
jonyo jaiga chere debe, tai na?
Somdev Sen
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
>
> Kintu tao to aykta rate aache, aashoprodo na holeo. Aastey aastey
> barbey nishchoi, ontoto shei aasha raakhi.
>
Ta thik, tobe amader deshe aar paanchta somoshya-r moto etao rajnoitik
bhondaami-r bhir-e haarie na gele-i hoi...oitaake sobcheye beshi bhoi
paai ebong abhor kori.....
>
> Sheki? Aykbakye kotha-ta mene nilen? `Eta to selfishness-er porichoi',
> e kotha bolben na?
>
>
Na mene nie upaai ki bolun ? 'Selfishness' nie lomba lecture debaar por
nije jodi ekti koDe angul-o na nari, sekhetre aami-o hypocrite-er dolei
bhirbo na ? Taai suru thekei self-declared villian hoe jaoa better, poDe
aro bichhiri bichhiri bisheson shonar cheye.
>
> Aapnar ki dharona shudhu chNyachalei fol paowa jai? Tobey to firband
> feminist-ra onek din aagei judhdhe joyee hoye jeten, :)
>
Hm, mondo bolen ni, tobe amar mone hoi, oi firebrand feminist-ra onekei
kintu maati-r songe somporko-ta ektu kom raakhten, taai t(n)aader focussed
effort-o khub ekta chhilo bole mone hoi na. Issue-bhittik andolan kore
step by step jomi dokhol korar theke o(n)raa ekta broad band spectrum nie
protiki andolan-i beshi korten. Focussed ch(n)echamechi-te laabh hoi
sheta amader deshe minority/backward caste-der andolan dekhe biswas korte
ichhe hoi.
>
> Mane aapni jantey chaichilen je jNara aagroho dekhiye polayon koren
> tNader pore mukh dyakhate lojja korbe kina. Aami boltey chaichilaam je
> hoito korbey hoito korbey na, :)...kaar ki reaction hobe ta ki aar onyer
> pokkhe bola shombhob? :)
>
> Sharmila
Aare polayon korbe aar amra chhere debo ? Omni bollei holo ? Amra net-samaj-er
samaj-person-ra aachhi ki korte ? Bidhan debo na ? H(n)aa, tini ba t(n)ara patta
na dite paren, tobe Gonotantrik odhikar jeta seta to exercise korboi, ki bolen ?
Apratim Sarkar
Sharmila Mukherjee <s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
> Aapnar ki dharona shudhu chNyachalei fol paowa jai? Tobey to firband
>feminist-ra onek din aagei judhdhe joyee hoye jeten, :)
Achchha, "juddho"'ta thik ki niye?
>Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Somdev Sen wrote:
> Ta thik, tobe amader deshe aar paanchta somoshya-r moto etao rajnoitik
> bhondaami-r bhir-e haarie na gele-i hoi...oitaake sobcheye beshi bhoi
> paai ebong abhor kori.....
Rajnoitik bhondami-ke aar ke aatkaabe bolun politician-ra chara, ota to
oder-i haate. Tobey harale-o puropuri harabe na, aei bishwash raakhi.
> Na mene nie upaai ki bolun ? 'Selfishness' nie lomba lecture debaar por
> nije jodi ekti koDe angul-o na nari, sekhetre aami-o hypocrite-er dolei
> bhirbo na ? Taai suru thekei self-declared villian hoe jaoa better, poDe
> aro bichhiri bichhiri bisheson shonar cheye.
ta ja bolechen, tobey jNara aapnar aamar moto bhaben na, tNara bistor
galagal korchen nishchoi; mone mone nishchoi bolchen je `typical
bangali! khali mukheno maritong jogot!" Ta fNakibaaj-der pokkhe
shujoggyo ki upai hote pare, ektu idea din na.
[...] tobe amar mone hoi, oi firebrand feminist-ra onekei
> kintu maati-r songe somporko-ta ektu kom raakhten, taai t(n)aader focussed
> effort-o khub ekta chhilo bole mone hoi na. Issue-bhittik andolan kore
> step by step jomi dokhol korar theke o(n)raa ekta broad band spectrum nie
> protiki andolan-i beshi korten. Focussed ch(n)echamechi-te laabh hoi
> sheta amader deshe minority/backward caste-der andolan dekhe biswas korte
> ichhe hoi.
Sheta oboshyo thik(aei re! aapnar shongey beshir bhaag opinion mile
jaachche dekhchi. Tobey argument ki korey cholbey bolun to?). Kintu
aykta jinish bhebe dekhun. Issue-bhittik chNyachamechi kortey chaile
jodi keu chaan je cheleder opinion minority hoye jaowa uchit, tobey ki
byaparta khub bhalo hobey?
> Aare polayon korbe aar amra chhere debo ? Omni bollei holo ? Amra net-samaj-er
> samaj-person-ra aachhi ki korte ? Bidhan debo na ? H(n)aa, tini ba t(n)ara patta
> na dite paren, tobe Gonotantrik odhikar jeta seta to exercise korboi, ki bolen ?
>
> Somdev.
Hmm... aapnar onek utshaho aache dekhchi..tobey ki aapnake
fNaki-baajder dole fyala jabe na?
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> Sharmila Mukherjee <s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
>
> > Aapnar ki dharona shudhu chNyachalei fol paowa jai? Tobey to firband
> >feminist-ra onek din aagei judhdhe joyee hoye jeten, :)
>
> Achchha, "juddho"'ta thik ki niye?
>
> >Sharmila
>
> Apratim.
>
Sharmila
PS Aapnar signature-tee kintu darun, na bole parchi na.