India, Israel to fight terrorism jointly
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India, Israel to fight terrorism jointly
Date: 26-09-1998 :: Pg: 13 :: Col: f
NEW YORK, Sept. 25.
India and Israel, today decided to cooperate in fighting
terrorism and set up
ministerial-level commission to consider steps needed for
expansion of trade
between the two countries amounting to $750 million.
The decisions were reached between the Prime Minister,
Mr. Atal Behari
Vajpayee and his Israeli counterpart, Mr. Benjamin
Netanyahu, during their more
than 30-minute meeting, during which international and
bilateral relations as also the
Middle East peace process were discussed at length.
John Smith
nuclear ambition and genocide action on Kashmir.
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
thing, IMO. Hope they can extend it to other areas soon.
Kiran
Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for the past
50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
oppressed.
Wake up people
Sabina
getting together to brutalize communities who are only asking for their
right to self-determination ON THEIR OWN LAND! What a farce.
In article <6up6p0$k42$3...@news.asu.edu>, ramk...@imap3.asu.edu wrote:
> Co-operation between these two in this regard is long over-due. A good
> thing, IMO. Hope they can extend it to other areas soon.
>
The Backdoor Man
Sabina <kali...@hotmail.com>scribbled in article
<kaligirls-290...@ts3port9.port.net>...
> That's great! Two of the most rascist and paranoid countries in the world
> getting together to brutalize communities who are only asking for their
> right to self-determination ON THEIR OWN LAND! What a farce
========================
Gee...which countries are you talking about?? Pakistan, and its oppression
of Sindhis, Pathans, and Baluchis? Afghanistan's Taliban (now there is a
REAL RACIST, PARANOID GROUPING) and it's Sunni chauvenism? The oppression
of Kurds, Copts, and Berbers in various Arab countries?
Seriously, though, it is wierd that you constantly bash India and Israel
while ignoring far worse atrocities in the various countries I mentioned
above. Tell you what, I'll agree to India granting "self-determination" to
Kashmir when all the above named countries (as well as France to the
Corscicans, Italy to Padania, and the US to the Republic of Texas yahoos)
grant independance to their respective aggrieved minorities! Deal?
kiran
distinct groups, if they form a majority in any particular region. Therefore,
the Kashmiri's are entitled to independence, as are the Tamils, the Sikh, and
even the corsicans if that's what they want. So are the Beluchi's, and anybody
else you care to mention.
The backdoor man wrote
"Tell you what, I'll agree to India granting "self-determination" to
Kashmir when all the above named countries (as well as France to the
Corscicans, Italy to Padania, and the US to the Republic of Texas yahoos)
grant independance to their respective aggrieved minorities! Deal?"
What are you suggesting. Just because other countries are denying independence
to their minorities, does not justify India denying independence to its
minorities. Have you heard of the saying - Two wrongs don't make a right. Why
force people to remain with you if they don't want to. Let them go - and that
means with their land.
A K L
Sabina wrote:
> That's great! Two of the most rascist and paranoid countries in the world
> getting together to brutalize communities who are only asking for their
> right to self-determination ON THEIR OWN LAND! What a farce.
>
You may like to try to ask for self-determination where
you live, and then you can see what will happen.
In the US, such people often band themselves as militias,
and inhabit Montana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, etc.
Remember Waco! Remember what happened to the folks there!!
Remember Ruby Ridge!! All those folks were allowed to form their
own countries, eh?
A K L
A K L
A K L
kiran wrote:
> Self determination is a moral right that should be afforded to all culturally
> distinct groups, if they form a majority in any particular region.
What exactly is a "majority"? 50.00000000003%?How will the rights of the
minorities be safeguarded in the
new entity?
> <snip>
> What are you suggesting. Just because other countries are denying independence
> to their minorities, does not justify India denying independence to its
> minorities. Have you heard of the saying - Two wrongs don't make a right. Why
> force people to remain with you if they don't want to. Let them go - and that
> means with their land.
Whose land? A slim majority takes over all land? Or, what if the
majority is poor, but the minority is not and it owns most
of the land? What if the minority wants its own "land"
in the breakaway portion and secedes therefrom?
A K L
A K L
Kiran wrote:
> India and Israel to co-operate against terrorism. Is that a joke. The
> Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for the past
> 50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
>
> The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
> oppressed.
Wow! How about the terrorism inflicted by Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi
Arabia, Tunisia, Algeria, etc. on (1) non-Muslims, (2) foreign visitors,
and (3) their respective citizens?
>
>
> Wake up people
Sure, and smell the coffee.
India and Israel -- Looking Good Together
A K L
Wilson Samraj
nuclear power plants!
Hurray.
The Backdoor Man <evilt...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<01bdeb71$4f946900$763067d1@default>...
Sabina <kali...@hotmail.com>scribbled in article
<kaligirls-290...@ts3port9.port.net>...
> That's great! Two of the most rascist and paranoid countries in the world
> getting together to brutalize communities who are only asking for their
The Backdoor Man
kiran <"kiran"@Northern Limited.au> wrote in article
<6uq661$hkl$1...@miranda.its.deakin.edu.au>...
> Self determination is a moral right that should be afforded to all
culturally
> distinct groups, if they form a majority in any particular region.
Therefore,
> the Kashmiri's are entitled to independence, as are the Tamils, the Sikh,
and
> even the corsicans if that's what they want. So are the Beluchi's, and
anybody
> else you care to mention.
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By your logic, the slave states of America had the right to secede from the
USA in 1860. After all, the white majority in the slave states voted for
seperatist politicians like Jefferson Davis, so I guess John Wilkes Booth
was right....and Lincoln WAS an anti-democratic tyrant, denying people
their right to self-determination.
The Backdoor Man
A K L <n...@nonesuch1.com> wrote in article
<3610C1A0...@nonesuch1.com>...
>
>
> kiran wrote:
AKL: an excellent point! What you are describing is the Bosnia/Northern
Ireland situation. Let's say Kashmir seperates....what stops the Hindus of
Jammu and Buddhists of Ladakh from demanding independence? What we will end
up with is an endless cycle of secessions. It is interesting to note that
all the major Kashmiri militant groups have said that a Kashmir itself is
indivisable (that means no independence for Kashmiri minorities!) WHILE
INDIA IS: what a bunch of hypocrites!!!
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Pradip
Kiran wrote in message <360EC723...@compuserve.com>...
>India and Israel to co-operate against terrorism. Is that a joke. The
>Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for the
past
>50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
>
>The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
>oppressed.
>
>Wake up people
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
New information has shown that 'Life is a farce' ;-)
Sabina (kali...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: That's great! Two of the most rascist and paranoid countries in the world
: getting together to brutalize communities who are only asking for their
: right to self-determination ON THEIR OWN LAND! What a farce.
:
: In article <6up6p0$k42$3...@news.asu.edu>, ramk...@imap3.asu.edu wrote:
:
: > Co-operation between these two in this regard is long over-due. A good
: > thing, IMO. Hope they can extend it to other areas soon.
: >
Susan Cohen
soc.culture.jewish.
Momin
>
> Please keep Israeli politics to the Israeli groups - they are off-topic for
> soc.culture.jewish.
Huh?? So jews are not interested in Israeli politics?? Please
explain....
Mo
population of Indian Kashmir. No wonder Pakistan has been
unable to find enough sympathisers..
A K L <n...@nonesuch1.com> wrote:
What exactly is a "majority"? 50.00000000003%?How will the
rights of the
minorities be safeguarded in the
new entity?
> <snip>
> What are you suggesting. Just because other countries are denying independence
gan...@my-dejanews.com
"The Backdoor Man" <evilt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> A K L <n...@nonesuch1.com> wrote in article
> <3610C1A0...@nonesuch1.com>...
> >
> >
> > kiran wrote:
> AKL: an excellent point! What you are describing is the Bosnia/Northern
> Ireland situation. Let's say Kashmir seperates....what stops the Hindus of
> Jammu and Buddhists of Ladakh from demanding independence? What we will end
A 7% Majority!
> up with is an endless cycle of secessions. It is interesting to note that
> all the major Kashmiri militant groups have said that a Kashmir itself is
> indivisable (that means no independence for Kashmiri minorities!) WHILE
A nation (based on common language, culture, historical experience,
continuity, aspirations) is indivisible, but an artificial imperialistic
entity created by conquest and betrayal like the failed Indian Union, Soviet
Union, Yugoslavia, Third Reich, etc. IS divisible and should be if its
nations/peoples dont find any use for it and are oppressed by it!
> INDIA IS: what a bunch of hypocrites!!!
Let the legitimate peoples/nations/countries of southasia decide their
destiny - whether they want to stay IN or get OUT of the totally failed,
artificial and genocidal Brahmanist Empire that 7% Kirars (Brahmins/Bania
castes) hijacked from the British in 1947! Intriguingly, before the Brits
created "India" in the 19th century, the self-proclaimed "highest caste"
Brahmanists did not rule or control any significant country, government or
army in southasia.
After 1947, the 7% Brahmanists have come to dominate 95% of the top posts in
the political system, government and huge state-run sector and have utterly
plundered the country through corruption and Swadeshi Permit Raj Economics.
Only Brahmanist cliques have are allowed to invest in the profitable modern
economic sectors while the rest - 85% of Indians - are consigned to the
agrarian sector, dwindling lands and the unskilled labor market; 45% live in
abject poverty! Army/police rule has been imposed on every non-Hindu majority
state (Kashmir, Punjab, Assam, Manipur, Nagaland) and majority "lower castes
Hindus" live under perpetual police terror to keep them in submission.
Indian Government policies over the past 50 years have been designed to
implement the hegemonic and imperialistic agenda, interests, ambitions and
historical fantasies of the supremacist Casteocrats.
If the historically separate northwest southasia (Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana,
Rajasthan) is part of the Brahmanist's "10,000 year old One Hindu
Nation"(Hindusthan), then why do "holy" Brahmin shastras from gangaland (e.g
Mahabharta, Puranas, Manu) "FORBID BRAHMINS FROM GOING TO VAHIKA-DESA
(northwest subcontinent)"!!!???
This entire northwest region was annexed by the British from Sikhs, Jats,
Marathas and Rajputs between 1820-47. During its 4000 year old verifiable
history, it was politically separate from rest of southasia (including the
Brahmin homeland of Gangasthan) over 90% of its history - even the 10%
"togethorness" was under Buddhist (Ashoka Maurya)and Muslim regimes (Moguls).
Winston Churchill: "India is merely a geographical expression. It is no more a
single country than the equator"!
Historical names of the northwest found in the RigVeda, Saka
coins/inscriptions include "Saptha Sindhva", "Sakasthana" and "Gandhara".
"Holy" shastras from gangaland "FORBID BRAHMINS" from even travelling to the
Vedic-Saka country and call it Vahika-desa" ("foreign land") and its people
"vratyas" (irreligious) and "mlechhas" (barbarians). Vedic religion was
practised here from 1500-500 BC and the RigVeda written by Punjabi
mystics/poets tell that the Vedics worshipped non-Brahmanical Gods like
Indra, Mitra, Varuna; ate cows; considered the Punjab rivers to be sacred;
and call the country to southeast of Saptha Sindhva "dasya-varta"! Buddhism
mixed with Saka religion (sun worship) was dominant here between 400BC-
900AD, followed by development of Punjabi Sufism and Sikhism and importation
of Brahmanism from south. Oldest Brahmin temples/ruins in all of southasia
are archeologically all post-10th century AD - really ancient!
Punjab and Northwest was politically separate from the never existent dream
Hindusthan of late 19-20th century Brahmanist politicians and organizations
(Vivekananda, RSS, BJP) over 93% of its 4000 years known history and developed
its own culture/language/heritage.
Before your Great GrandUncle Mohammed Ghori came here from Afghanistan in the
13th century, there were no "Hindus" and "Hindusthan" around either -
anywhere! Cant find any of these words in any Brahmin monkey shastra from
Gangasthan! Uncle Ghori named his kingdom "Hindusthan" and began creating
"Hindus" with his Mahapathanahanumanasitalingam.
Late 19-20th century neo-Brahmanist fantasy history, mithya and pillaging will
take their fraud "Hindu" flock and Kirar Empire into the gutters of Fudusthan,
but nowhere else!
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Kiran
you mentioned do violate human rights. I don't have a problem admitting that,
however that does not make Israel and India look any better.
Regards
A K L wrote:
> Kiran wrote:
>
> > India and Israel to co-operate against terrorism. Is that a joke. The
> > Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for the past
> > 50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
> >
> > The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
> > oppressed.
>
Kiran
their prime loyalty is Israel, no matter where they live. If that were not the case
the US Jewish lobby would not be so active politically as it obviously is. As you
well know the Jewish lobby basically runs the US government, just look at all the
Jewish appointments by Bill Clinton. How do you explain this. I'm sure your only
explanation is to call critics anti-semites. Well, if I'm an anti-Semite, than your
a Racist, Anti-Arab bitch.
Regards Kiran
Susan Cohen wrote:
> Please keep Israeli politics to the Israeli groups - they are off-topic for
> soc.culture.jewish.
>
Kiran
difficulty expressing inpartial and rational opinions.
Regards Kiran
Pradip Parekh wrote:
> I think Mr. Kiran Muhamad's views are in line with Paki Islamist views.
>
> Pradip
>
> Kiran wrote in message +ADw-360EC723.8242043B+AEA-compuserve.com+AD4-...
> +AD4-India and Israel to co-operate against terrorism. Is that a joke. The
> +AD4-Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for the
> past
> +AD4-50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
> +AD4-
> +AD4-The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
> +AD4-oppressed.
> +AD4-
> +AD4-Wake up people
> +AD4-
> +AD4-jit wrote:
> +AD4-
> +AD4APg- The Hindu
> +AD4APg-
> +AD4APg- India, Israel to fight terrorism jointly
> +AD4APg-
> +AD4APg- Date: 26-09-1998 :: Pg: 13 :: Col: f
> +AD4APg-
> +AD4APg- NEW YORK, Sept. 25.
> +AD4APg-
> +AD4APg- India and Israel, today decided to cooperate in fighting
> +AD4APg- terrorism and set up
> +AD4APg- ministerial-level commission to consider steps needed for
> +AD4APg- expansion of trade
> +AD4APg- between the two countries amounting to +ACQ-750 million.
> +AD4APg-
> +AD4APg- The decisions were reached between the Prime Minister,
> +AD4APg- Mr. Atal Behari
> +AD4APg- Vajpayee and his Israeli counterpart, Mr. Benjamin
> +AD4APg- Netanyahu, during their more
> +AD4APg- than 30-minute meeting, during which international and
> +AD4APg- bilateral relations as also the
> +AD4APg- Middle East peace process were discussed at length.
> +AD4-
> +AD4-
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Kiran
Nehru promised a referendum for Kashmir - what happened to that.
Regards Kiran
Kiran
ank...@my-dejanews.com
Keep your Gandasa on the Brahmin neck otherwise he gets out of control and out
of logic.
-----Shukria------------------
Ankhila - A Real Son of Punjab
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In article <6us319$qvp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Wilson Samraj
best news I ever heard.
India and Israel should go into a friendship and defence cooperation
treaty. That will be great.
Butto and Shariff asses will be burned into pieces by Israeli bombs bombing
pakistani nuclear facilities.
Hurray!
Ha! Ha!
Kiran <ki...@Northern.Lmd.au> wrote in article
<361190C...@Northern.Lmd.au>...
I agree with your point, however two wrongs don't make a right. The
countries that
you mentioned do violate human rights. I don't have a problem admitting
that,
however that does not make Israel and India look any better.
Regards
A K L wrote:
> Kiran wrote:
>
> > India and Israel to co-operate against terrorism. Is that a joke. The
> > Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for the
past
> > 50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
> >
> > The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
lacorti
What do you mean they are off topic to the Soc.Jews. Most of what is
discussed there is either about Israel, or related to Israel in some way.
Is it that you don't like fair criticism! Get real
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
Kiran (ki...@Northern.Lmd.au) wrote:
: I agree with your point, however two wrongs don't make a right. The countries that
: you mentioned do violate human rights. I don't have a problem admitting that,
: however that does not make Israel and India look any better.
A K L was not talking about human rights violations. (S)/He is asking your
ilk to try these calls for self-determination where you live aka the Cozy OZ!
This has nothing to do with India or Israel. Just in case you did read
the mes properly. So just try it for fun and Njoy!
regards, --Ramakrishna.
: Regards
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
Kiran (ki...@Northern.Lmd.au) wrote:
: What are you trying to say, that most Jews are not Zionists. If Jews are Zionists
: their prime loyalty is Israel, no matter where they live. If that were not the case
: the US Jewish lobby would not be so active politically as it obviously is. As you
: well know the Jewish lobby basically runs the US government, just look at all the
: Jewish appointments by Bill Clinton. How do you explain this. I'm sure your only
: explanation is to call critics anti-semites. Well, if I'm an anti-Semite, than your
: a Racist, Anti-Arab bitch.
: Regards Kiran
: Susan Cohen wrote:
: > Please keep Israeli politics to the Israeli groups - they are off-topic for
: > soc.culture.jewish.
: >
: > ramk...@imap3.asu.edu wrote:
: >
: > > I used to think like uncle Bill that "Life is a Bitch, Screw it" ;-)_
: > > New information has shown that 'Life is a farce' ;-)
: > >
: > > Sabina (kali...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: > > : That's great! Two of the most rascist and paranoid countries in the world
: > > : getting together to brutalize communities who are only asking for their
: > > : right to self-determination ON THEIR OWN LAND! What a farce.
: > > :
: > > : In article <6up6p0$k42$3...@news.asu.edu>, ramk...@imap3.asu.edu wrote:
: > > :
: > > : > Co-operation between these two in this regard is long over-due. A good
: > > : > thing, IMO. Hope they can extend it to other areas soon.
: > > : >
: > > : > jit (ji...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: > > : > : The Hindu
: > > : >
: > > : > : India, Israel to fight terrorism jointly
: > > : >
: > > : > : Date: 26-09-1998 :: Pg: 13 :: Col: f
: > > : >
: > > : > : NEW YORK, Sept. 25.
: > > : >
: > > : > : India and Israel, today decided to cooperate in fighting
: > > : > : terrorism and set up
: > > : > : ministerial-level commission to consider steps needed for
: > > : > : expansion of trade
: > > : > : between the two countries amounting to $750 million.
: > > : >
: > > : > : The decisions were reached between the Prime Minister,
: > > : > : Mr. Atal Behari
: > > : > : Vajpayee and his Israeli counterpart, Mr. Benjamin
: > > : > : Netanyahu, during their more
: > > : > : than 30-minute meeting, during which international and
: > > : > : bilateral relations as also the
: > > : > : Middle East peace process were discussed at length.
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
: ramk...@imap3.asu.edu wrote:
: > "Hope they can extend it to other areas soon"
: Such as?
Everywhere... where people are at war with the state.
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
Distribution:
Kiran (ki...@Northern.Lmd.au) wrote:
: 1860 is a long time ago. There is no comparison with anything to do with India.
lee
Wilson Samraj <joll...@mbox5.singnet.com.sg> wrote in article
<01bdec27$a708e6a0$cdd915a5@default>...
> Pakistan will be bashed up into pieces. I have no doubts. That is the
> best news I ever heard.
> India and Israel should go into a friendship and defence cooperation
> treaty. That will be great.
>
> Butto and Shariff asses will be burned into pieces by Israeli bombs
bombing
> pakistani nuclear facilities.
>
> Hurray!
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
>
> Kiran <ki...@Northern.Lmd.au> wrote in article
> <361190C...@Northern.Lmd.au>...
> I agree with your point, however two wrongs don't make a right. The
> countries that
> you mentioned do violate human rights. I don't have a problem admitting
> that,
> however that does not make Israel and India look any better.
>
> Regards
>
>
> A K L wrote:
>
> > Kiran wrote:
> >
> > > India and Israel to co-operate against terrorism. Is that a joke. The
> > > Israelis/Jews have been involved in terrorism against the Arabs for
the
> past
> > > 50 years. They are masters in terrorism.
> > >
> > > The same can be said for India, with the way minorities have been
> > > oppressed.
> >
> > Wow! How about the terrorism inflicted by Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi
> > Arabia, Tunisia, Algeria, etc. on (1) non-Muslims, (2) foreign
visitors,
> > and (3) their respective citizens?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wake up people
> >
> > Sure, and smell the coffee.
> >
> > India and Israel -- Looking Good Together
> >
> > A K L
>
> There is no way our pakistan will be destroyed.
>
>
>