cream
Joydeep Bhattacharya
Ekta hindi chobi (Aastha) dekhchilam video te. Aajkal cinema to dekhar upai
nei; maajh khane gota ponchashek advertisement. 90% ad kono na kono
meyeder cream'er --- ekta "bleach cream" (tok phorsha korbar jonye), aarekta
"breast enlarging and toning cream". Ei ad gulo dekhe raag hocchilo; deshe-r
meyera ki bhabe nije der ke exploited hote dicche. Shei Marx er kotha chilo
na: the exploited rarely knows he/she is being exploited. Hoito desh-er onek
meye'r jonye ei statement ta projjojyo.
BTW, keu Aastha dekhechen? Ei cinema ta dekhe kichuta andaaj korte pari je
ei goto paaNch bochor-e desh ta koto bodle geche.
-Joydeep
Shoumyo Dasgupta
AMra dekhlam. Besh bhalo legechche, bishesh kore Rekhar obhinoy.
'Bodle gechche' bolte apni bodhoy mulyobodh-todher kotha bolte
chaichchen. Amar mone hoy mulyobodh Bharote borabor-i erokom chchilo,
media etodin-e shwikar korchche.
TachchaRah je mulyobodh-ti niye chchobiti toiri, sheti-r shomporke
apnader dharoNa-ta kee, sheta janar ichchhe roilo...
Shoumyo.
--
"... Shada bhat thik uThbei phute tarapunjer moto,
Purono Gaaner bismrito-kotha phirbe tomar shwor-e
Premik milbe premikar shaathe Thik-i
Kintu Shanti pabena, pabena, pabena..."
('Shongoti', Ode to Amiya Chakroborti
- Shoheed Kadri)
soumitri mukherjee
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> Ekta hindi chobi (Aastha) dekhchilam video te. Aajkal cinema to dekhar upai
> nei; maajh khane gota ponchashek advertisement. 90% ad kono na kono
> meyeder cream'er --- ekta "bleach cream" (tok phorsha korbar jonye), aarekta
> "breast enlarging and toning cream". Ei ad gulo dekhe raag hocchilo; deshe-r
> meyera ki bhabe nije der ke exploited hote dicche. Shei Marx er kotha chilo
> na: the exploited rarely knows he/she is being exploited. Hoito desh-er onek
> meye'r jonye ei statement ta projjojyo.
ki dada, meyera cream mekhe shundori shaajte chaaichhe bole aapni bole
dilen je 'they are being exploited and they don't even understand that'
??? ta'le ki aapni chaan desher meyera shukno mukhe, nimnogaami buke,
rukkhushukkhu chule, khoDioTha twoke, khoypraapto chehaara niye
potheghaate ghure byaDak? aykmaatro ushkochul, aykgaaldaaDi, highpowered
choshmaadhari, mukhe cigerette'r gondho, biplob-er kothaa bole bole
klaanto holde-dNaat-er shukno hNaashi hNaasha kono marxbaadi chhelei
(aar koddin dada chaalaben oi bostapochaa marxbaad?) erokom bhaabte
paare | disgusting!!! totally!!!!!!!
ooooooffffff!!!! desher chhelegulo'r opor 'aashtha' haariye felchhi go,
:) |
---soumitri
>
> BTW, keu Aastha dekhechen? Ei cinema ta dekhe kichuta andaaj korte pari je
> ei goto paaNch bochor-e desh ta koto bodle geche.
>
> -Joydeep
--
The game of life is not so much in holding a good hand
as playing a poor hand well---H.T. Leslie
Kalpataru Barman
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> Ekta hindi chobi (Aastha) dekhchilam video te. Aajkal cinema to dekhar upai
> nei; maajh khane gota ponchashek advertisement. 90% ad kono na kono
> meyeder cream'er --- ekta "bleach cream" (tok phorsha korbar jonye), aarekta
> "breast enlarging and toning cream". Ei ad gulo dekhe raag hocchilo; deshe-r
> meyera ki bhabe nije der ke exploited hote dicche. Shei Marx er kotha chilo
> na: the exploited rarely knows he/she is being exploited. Hoito desh-er onek
> meye'r jonye ei statement ta projjojyo.
>
> ei goto paaNch bochor-e desh ta koto bodle geche.
>
> -Joydeep
Apnaar raag-ta ki cream-er advertisement cinemar modhdhye dekhai boley,
naaki meye-ra cream maakhey boley ? Sob deshe, sob kaale-i meye-ra ektu
saajte-gujte bhalobase . ebong eta natural . Er saathey exploitation
er khub ekta jog aachhey ki ? Apni bodhoi annya katha bolte cheychhen ?
Meye-ra amader deshe exploited hoi thik-i.....
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <339E19...@mail-me.com>, Kalpataru Barman says...
[..]
>Apnaar raag-ta ki cream-er advertisement cinemar modhdhye dekhai boley,
>naaki meye-ra cream maakhey boley ? Sob deshe, sob kaale-i meye-ra ektu
>saajte-gujte bhalobase . ebong eta natural . Er saathey exploitation
>er khub ekta jog aachhey ki ? Apni bodhoi annya katha bolte cheychhen ?
>Meye-ra amader deshe exploited hoi thik-i.....
Thik aache, kichuta raag cinema'r modhye ad dekhano niye. Tobe raag ta
mainly kichu dhoroner cream niye je gulor ullekh aami amaar post'e
korechilam. Raag ta "bleach cream" er opor; tar theke Clorox bleach maakhlei
hoye; ekkebare "saban'er motoN phorsha" hoye jaabe shob Indian meyera.
Sheta ki apni shaj-goj bolben?
Exploitation er sathe jogajog khubhi simple: amader deshe onek meyeder
choto-bela theke baba-mara ba bondhu-bandhob ra bojhaye je phorsha howa
bhalo, ba buxom na hole biye hobe na....aar sheta tara bujhe nei aar tai bhabe
chole. Kichuta porer deeke amra chelera ei insecurity gulo ke exploit kori.
Raag ta I guess shob miliye ei shob'er opor.
Ek kaale China te meyeder chotto paa howa chilo the "in-thing"; shei jonye
paar haaD bhenge, dumrDe muchre meyera ekta chotto juto pore paa gulo ke
choto korto. Shetao ki apni bolben sref meyeli shag-goj?
-Joydeep
sayan bhattacharyya
Kalpataru Barman <ka...@mail-me.com> wrote:
>
>Apnaar raag-ta ki cream-er advertisement cinemar modhdhye dekhai boley,
>naaki meye-ra cream maakhey boley ? Sob deshe, sob kaale-i meye-ra ektu
>saajte-gujte bhalobase . ebong eta natural .
There is nothing natural about it. It is conditioned. This conditioning
is done by society.
Incidentally, I know quite a few women jNara `sajte gujte' bhalo basen
na, and would rather spend the time that could have spent on grooming
themselves, in other (possibly better) ways.
sayan bhattacharyya
Soumitri Mukherjee <smu...@erols.com> wrote:
>aachchha daada oi
>cream laagalei ki 'skin cancer' hoy? ta'le oi cream baajaare bikri
>koraar ad. dichchhe kyano?
Analogous question: you will also see many ads in the Indian market
of cancer-sticks (also known as cigarettes). Many people still continue
to smoke the cancer-sticks. Indian teenage boys ritually initiate
themselves to cancer-sticks as a rite of passage to growing up.
What these people do not realize is that they are the unsuspecting
dupes of tobacco corporations and of the cancer-stick manufacturing
companies. As Joydeep said, they don't realize that they are being
exploited.
Think of it! The cancer-stick smokers are _paying_ for the the privilege
of having cancer and lung disease and heart disease. Such is the power of
advertisement and of peer pressure.
soumitri mukherjee
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> In article <339E39...@erols.com>, Soumitri Mukherjee says...
>
> [...]
>
> >nishchoi, nishchoi, aamari stereotype bashing, kaaron konodin-o to
> >aamader deshe uttomkumaar, debaanond, raajesh khaanna maarka
> marxbaadi
> >dekhini, kaajei....
> >
>
> Chomotkar! Ta deshe "uttomkumaar, debaanond, raajesh khaanna maarka"
> kono kobikeo dekhen ni nischoi, tai bole kobita poDben na?
nishchoi bhaalo kobitaa hole poDi, poDte poDte bhaabi na je kobi kyamon
dekhte| bhaalo kobitaa poDe jaa aanondo paaowa jaay, taar tulonaay
marxbaad....., aar bollaam na| :)
Ta deshe "uttomkumaar, debaanond, raajesh khaanna maarka" kono
scientist hoito
> dekhen ni, tai bole science e biswas rakhben na?
science-a bishwash raakhbo na ? aamar aager posting-ta bhaalo kore
poDechhilen? ta'te likhechhilaam bodhhoy je shomaaje technology'r
ogrogoti'r shaathe shaathe tothaakothito marxbaadi chintaadhaara
prithibi theke obolupto hoye jachchhe,.... kaajei science-a bishwash
korbo na aei kothaa ki kore bhaablen?
aalfaal example dyan kyano? bhobishyoTe aamar shathe borong point-a
point-a bhaalo kore likhte chestaa korben |
>
> [...]
> >
> >daada khub rege gyachhen dekhchhi |
>
> na ragbo keno; apnar motoN erokhom chyangDrami mere lekha dekhle,
> dukkhoi beshi hoye, raag ta kom.
shotyi bolchhen? aapnar lekhaar dhonge ta kintu mone hochchhe na | aar
aami likhi mojaa korar jonnyo, gyan bitoron koraar jonnyo noy, kaajei
aamar lekhaa-te ektu chyangDami-dushtota thaaktei paare |
>
> > kintu aapnar desher meyeder niye
> >'aaltopka' marx-er ukti poDe aamar monehoyechhilo je aapni western
> >consumerism-er indian society-te onuprobesh-ke khNota dite chhaaDchhen
> >na, aar meyeder goat banachchhen, kaajei....|
> >aar marxbaad bostaapochha kina taa aykhon poDe shomoi noshto koraar
> >proyojon mone kori na, jodi kokhono research kortaam aei niye je kyano
> >technology'r ogrogoti'r shaathe marxbaad fail korlo ta'le khaanikta oi
> >niye poDashona koraa jeto | aar aapatodrishti-te bortomaan bishwer kono
> >deshei je 'bostapochaa'(purono diner marxbaad mean korchhi) marxbaad
> >Thikmoton kaaj korchhe jaar fole shei deshe shaamajik o orthonoitik
> >ogrogoti hochchhe, aymon mone to hoy na, kaajei 'bostapochaa' ki na
> >aapni-ee bhaalo bolte paarben |
>
> Marxism ekta theory ba philosophy; tar against'e torko korte gele, torko ta
> theory level'ei rakha uchit. Marxism kono desh'er success ba failure'er opor
> dNariye nei. Ta eshob apnake bojhate chesta korai hoito bhool. Marx ke
> Amitabh Bacchan'er motoN dekhte hole hoito ba chesta kore kono labh hoto!
> Sayan, ebar tumi ekhan theke takeover koro bhai! Aami haath tule dilam!
aabar bolchhi 'get a life' | 'marxbaad' kono abstract mathematical
theory ba philosophy noy, etaa aykta 'social theory ba philosophy' aar
aei social theory ba philosophy'r jokhon kono social implementation nei
othoba socially rejected, tokhon 'oi kyano rejected' taa study koraa
chhaaDa aamiyo aei niye shomoy ba 'lekhaar aanonder' opochoi korte chaai
na | aapnar aar Sayan babu ke daakar proyojon nei, onaar shaathe aage
aamar aei niye aalochonaa aykbaar hoye gyachhe, tobe aami jaantaam na je
aapniyo onaar moton utopian chintaa 'kobe Ram raaja hobe, tobe
Sheeta.....' niye boshe aachhen |
>
> > I only can say 'get a life'.
>
> Ei kotha ta mone hoye notun shikechen tai byabohar kothai korte hoye na
> jenei byabohar korchen. Amader deshe western consumerism'er byapartao
> kichuta ei rokhom. Jakke shey shob kotha.
doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Aarekta kotha, doya kore personal e-mail'e apnar post gulo pathaben na; ja
> bolbar SCB'tei bolchen, noi ki? Apnar newsreader'er Cc-by-mail jaiga ta blank
> rakhben asha kori.
no problemo, ekhaane onekei aachhen jNaara Thikmoton SCB-posting paan
na, sheijonnyei Cc-te paaThachchhilaam, aar debo na, aymon noy je
aapnake personal mail debaar jonnye aamar prem uthle poDchhe | besides,
aamar moton loker kaachh theke chyangDami mail chhaaDa aar kichhuto
aapni aasha korte paaren na, kaajei,....|
>
> -Joydeep Da (jokhon eto baar amaake dada bole sombodhon korlen..)
aar aykta kotha bole aei thread shesh korte chaai | in general, aami
lokkho korechhi chhelera, bishesh kore banagali chhelera, meyeder gyan
deowa-ta taader poitrik odhikaar bole mone kore | meyera shaaDi pore ki
shaalowaar-kaamij ba pant ba skirt pore school-college-a jaabe, ba ki
cream mekhe twok ba bokkhodesher poriborton korbe aei niye twattik gyan
dite ba kotaakkho korte taara bindumaatro pichhupa hoi na| aami kintu
meyeder, ta aei SCB-te (at least aami jotodin aachhi), ba net-er onnyo
kothaao, ba in fact real world-eo chheleder jibonjaatra niye montyobbo
korte beshi shunini | taai aamar mone hoy chheleder proti, bishesh kore
bangali chheleder proti, 'get a life' kothata appropriate |
---soumitri
T.H.Sanyal.
In article <339E39...@erols.com>, Soumitri Mukherjee <smu...@erols.com>
says:
>aar marxbaad bostaapochha kina taa aykhon poDe shomoi noshto koraar
>proyojon mone kori na, jodi kokhono research kortaam aei niye je kyano
>technology'r ogrogoti'r shaathe marxbaad fail korlo ta'le khaanikta oi
>niye poDashona koraa jeto | aar aapatodrishti-te bortomaan bishwer kono
>deshei je 'bostapochaa'(purono diner marxbaad mean korchhi) marxbaad
>Thikmoton kaaj korchhe jaar fole shei deshe shaamajik o orthonoitik
>ogrogoti hochchhe, aymon mone to hoy na, kaajei 'bostapochaa' ki na
>aapni-ee bhaalo bolte paarben | I only can say 'get a life'.
Apni jakhan porashona korte nehat-i anicchuk, takhan ami-i nahoy
apnake ek adhta tathyer sandhan di.
1. ei birat prithibi-te ekti matra desh ache jekhane shishura pratyeke
samasta prayojaniya tike (vaccine) peye thake. Sei deshtir nam ki?
2. punjibader pradhan prabakta ei markin muluke sishuder 25% daridra-
simar niche bas kare. eta ki punjibader "safalyer" drishtanta?
3. Marx-er pradhan abadan punjibader bishleshan. jakhan kagaj khullei
dekhte pan baro baro "company"-gulo chantai-khelay matta takhan
ki "marxbad bastapacha"-- ei dharanar samarthan khunje pan apni?
ths.
Soumitri Mukherjee
Tomishrahoron, bhaalo aachho? Shoma kyamon aachhe? aar deshe Susanta
kaku-ra bhaalo aachhen to? chinte paarle aamake? <:), anyhow,...
ki niye aami poDashuno korte onichchhuk ? 'bostaapochaa marxbaad'
bolechhi, taai niye? bhaabte chesta koro je kyano bostaapochaa bolechhi?
bostaapochha bolechhi aeijonnye je eta aykta non-evolving socially
stagnant socio-economic framework which had been socially experimented
with a number of large and small countries and in the long run that
framework failed completely or partially in most of them to the extent
that those countries are not even now actively persuing to reimplement
that rigid framework again.
aykhon tumi bolte paarbe na je jaader haate implementation-er bhaar
chhilo, they bungled up. Because the fallacy lies within that framework
itself. One cannot expect to put an artificial, not-naturally-evolving,
socio-economic framework and expect it to work in the long run.
Socio-economic frameworks always depend on human nature, human behavior,
etc. etc., and to control that governments in those countries became
authoritarian, dictatorial, dogmatic and eventually failed to implement
that framework for both internal and external reasons. taai bolechhi
bostaapochaam|
aykhon tomaar pointgulo'r uttor dite cheshtaa kori |
1. bolte paarbo na tomaar quiz-er uttor bhaai | tobe oboshshyoi children
vaccine nirvor kore vinno vinno desher opor| onnyannyo deshgulo
children vaacin-er byapare ayto pechhiye aachhe?
2. relatively bolchho aashakori, kaaron 'pNujibaad-er probokta maarkin
juktoraashtro'r doridrosheema onnyanno onekdesher doridrosheema'r urdhe
| aeirokom aaltopka duchaarte 'shottyo kina ke jaane' totthyo diye ki
aar pNujibaad-er oshafollyota promaan kora jaay ? tumi-ee bolo? ta'le
aei system aykhono cholchhe kyano, aar russia'r kothaa to baad-ee
dilaam, china, jekhaane kina 'original marxbaadi-ra boshe aachhen,
shodhonbaadi-ra noy, shei china aei pNujibaadi maarkin juktoraashtro'r
shaathe boishoik byapare 'most favored nation' status paabaar jonnye
udgrib hoye boshe thaake kyano?
3. baro baro company-gulo 'chantai khelay matta"--aei baakyo'r maane
bujhlaam na|
ektu bujhiye bolbe ???
---soumitri
sayan bhattacharyya
Soumitri Mukherjee <smu...@erols.com> wrote:
>aykhon tumi bolte paarbe na je jaader haate implementation-er bhaar
>chhilo, they bungled up. Because the fallacy lies within that framework
>itself. One cannot expect to put an artificial, not-naturally-evolving,
>socio-economic framework and expect it to work in the long run.
Kindly point out a single line from Marx where he says anything about
"non-naturally-evolving".
The "artificialness" and sterility that you rightly observe about xUSSR
and China is a result of bureaucratism, which is a hallmark of Stalinism.
It has nothing to do with Marxism.
Frequent and tiresome points made about socialism (by J-C Helary):
a) "Socialism is dead look at the USSR!"
Socialism is not an idea or a possibility that is bound up with the
existence of one state. Most people who have claimed the title of socialism
have never defended the Soviet Union (or China) , and have envisioned a
socialism quite different to the system that existed there.
b) "Marxism is dead look at the USSR!"
It is true indeed that the USSR "claimed" Marxism to be its official
philosophy. However, to use this truth to argue that Marxism or Leninism is
nothing but what was seen in the USSR is nothing but a logical fallacy. And
it is wrong. There are many sorts of Marxisms about, many of them mutually
exclusive (even according to themselves). Few strands of Marxism outside of
oppressive states such as USSR and China actually defended the USSR and none
wanted the system of oppression that existed there.
c) "Marx is dead!" or "Marx is outdated!"
So are Aristotle, John Stuart Mill, John Locke, Sigmund Freud, Max Weber,
Albert Einstein, Adam Smith, Isaac Newton, David Hume, Edmund Burke, Alexis
de Tocqueville and Charles Darwin.
Strangely, while so many bother to make a point about Marx being dead and
that he lived _so_ very long ago, few take the consequence, which is to
throw out the insights of all dead and old philosophers and scientists.
>Socio-economic frameworks always depend on human nature, human behavior,
>etc. etc., and to control that governments in those countries became
>authoritarian, dictatorial, dogmatic and eventually failed to implement
>that framework for both internal and external reasons. taai bolechhi
>bostaapochaam|
"Is not human nature an insurmountable obstacle to communism?" (by Annette
Dexter)
Those who ask this question frequently have problems articulating what they
mean by "human nature", and that isn't terribly surprising. Anthropological
studies, as well as behavioural studies on those species most closely
related to humans (chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutangs), have had
similar problems in defining universal, inherited behaviour that is of
relevance to specific human social structures.
Some things about "human nature" are obvious: humans need to eat and drink
and have oxygen in order to survive. We reproduce by processes that involve
male and female. We live about one hundred years in the most favourable
cases. Beyond that, the one thing that is clear about humans, and that
separates us from all other species, is our enormous behavioural
flexibility.
Humans have lived in egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies, in potlatch
chiefdoms, in state-level slave-based or feudal societies, in
industrialized capitalist or soviet-style societies, with a broad range of
government systems, marriage systems, diets, and so forth. we seem to have
managed tolerably with each of these. Moreover, the possibility of a
working feudal state could not have been predicted in a world which only
had hunter-gatherer societies, and the possibility of a capitalist state
would not have been clear if one only knew of feudalism. One cannot predict
that capitalism must be the final working form of human economic
organization.
Some of those who raise "human nature"-based objections to the possibility
of socialism do this in terms of "greed". They argue that some people will
always want more than others, and that equal sharing of resources will
therefore not be possible. This argument is only an objection to communist
organization if one assumes that communism means an equal distribution of
all resources. It is not an argument against a communism which guarantees
human rights in the form of adequate food, shelter and developmental
opportunities to all, while allowing each to pursue her or his specific
interests and joys.
>aei system aykhono cholchhe kyano, aar russia'r kothaa to baad-ee
>dilaam, china, jekhaane kina 'original marxbaadi-ra boshe aachhen,
>shodhonbaadi-ra noy,
Alas! Soumitri thinks that the horrible prison-like authoritarian
Chinese state is "original marxist" :-)
"shodhon-badee" is a term that Stalinists and Maoists use to attack
Khruschev and Brezhnev et al. But Stalinism and Maoism are horrible
distortions of Marxism and have very little to do with Marx! China
(neither Maoist China nor present-day China) have anything to do with
Marx. If you want to read "original marxists" , read Antonio Gramsci,
Rosa Luxemburg, Leon Trotsky.
Neither Stalin, nor Mao, nor Khruschev, nor Brezhnev, nor Deng were
marxists.
I am not a marxist myself. I have many disagreements with Marx. However,
disagreements with Marx have to be based on what Marx actually said,
not on caricatures of his words. What Soumitri is doing is completely
dishonest. Holding Marx responsible for the actions of Stalin or
Brezhnev is as dishonest as criticizing Vivekananda for the excesses
of the Shiv Sena!
There are enough reasons for legitimately criticizing Marx. The guy
made many mistakes and also had many great insights. But any criticism
of Marx has to be based on what Marx actually wrote -- not on ignorant
caricatures of his writings as Soumitri has done.
Kalpataru Barman
taar maaney aapni boltey chaichhen :
1. Meye-ra cream naa mekhey, se samay-tate borong ektu Marx
porley kaajey debey ?
2. Apni koyekjon mohila-ke janen jara 'sajte gujte' bhalobasen na?
-- aachha aapni ki sure, je enara konodin kono cream makhen ni,
emonki Boroline-o noi. Ami kintu anek-kei jani jara parchur
sijog thaka sotteo Marx porar byaparey utsaho dekhan ni, konodin
chhu-eo dekhen ni.
3. Aar bolchhen, eto Herbal cream ('chandan') esaab-er babyohaar
bahudin thekey cholleo, meye-der oi saja-gojar byapar ta "nature"-al
noi ?
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Soumitri Mukherjee wrote:
shei china aei pNujibaadi maarkin juktoraashtro'r
> shaathe boishoik byapare 'most favored nation' status paabaar jonnye
> udgrib hoye boshe thaake kyano?
Kotha-ta Thik noy , khobor onujayi Markin Juktoraashtro-i beshi udgreeb
Cheen-ke MFN dewar jonye. Er modhye abar oder opor noitik jhamela
chapanor cheshta korechchilo, Cheen patta dyayni. Ebochchor tarpor-o
Bill cheshta korchche pher shei Cheen-kei MFN dewar.
Amra Business-School-e ja hawa dekhchchi, taate mone hoy aaj theke 25/30
bochchorer modhye kintu orthonoitik bhabe shobcheye shoktishaali onchol
hobe Cheen.
Daaridryo-sheemar niche unnoto deshguliteo besh boRo jonoshonkhya
royechche kintu.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Soumitri Mukherjee wrote:
Shoumyo.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
>
> Aarekta kotha, doya kore personal e-mail'e apnar post gulo pathaben na; ja
> bolbar SCB'tei bolchen, noi ki? Apnar newsreader'er Cc-by-mail jaiga ta blank
> rakhben asha kori.
>
> -Joydeep Da (jokhon eto baar amaake dada bole sombodhon korlen..)
Ei khane amio ekta note add kori.
Soumitri-debi apni kintu amakeo e-mail'e erokom ekta mail
pathiyechhilen.
Ja bolar seta scb'tei jhharun na, abar e-mail pathanor ki holo.
Amar e-mail account strictly for research purpose. Sekhane esob mail
dekhle kintu khoob raag hoi.
Jai hok bhaloi cholchhe - Narod-Narod, Kathi-Kathi.
Subho.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
soumitri mukherjee wrote:
>
> aar aykta kotha bole aei thread shesh korte chaai | in general, aami
> lokkho korechhi chhelera, bishesh kore banagali chhelera, meyeder gyan
> deowa-ta taader poitrik odhikaar bole mone kore | meyera shaaDi pore ki
> shaalowaar-kaamij ba pant ba skirt pore school-college-a jaabe, ba ki
> cream mekhe twok ba bokkhodesher poriborton korbe aei niye twattik gyan
> dite ba kotaakkho korte taara bindumaatro pichhupa hoi na| aami kintu
> meyeder, ta aei SCB-te (at least aami jotodin aachhi), ba net-er onnyo
> kothaao, ba in fact real world-eo chheleder jibonjaatra niye montyobbo
> korte beshi shunini | taai aamar mone hoy chheleder proti, bishesh kore
> bangali chheleder proti, 'get a life' kothata appropriate |
>
> ---soumitri
Baba eto dekhchhi fata-fati byapar.
Achha amar life sombondhe kono idea nei. Ektu bolte parben kothay pabo
ektu life. Beshi noy, ektu holei cholbe.
Bou bolechhe onyo meyeder dike takate parbo na. Apni bolchhen amra
gyan'o dite parbo na. Bou'ke jodi boli eta poro ba ota gaye lagio na,
ta'le setao nari-swadhinota'r upor hostokshep.
Ta'le ki hobe emon jeebon niye.
Jak'ge jodi janen kothay bhalo life kothay paoa jabe janaben.
Ki IDG, abar ki amader UFO'te chorte hobe naki?
Subho.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <33A0E0...@mail-me.com>, Kalpataru Barman says...
>
>sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>> Kalpataru Barman <ka...@mail-me.com> wrote:
>> >Apnaar raag-ta ki cream-er advertisement cinemar modhdhye dekhai
boley,
>> >naaki meye-ra cream maakhey boley ? Sob deshe, sob kaale-i meye-ra
ektu
>> >saajte-gujte bhalobase . ebong eta natural .
>>
>> There is nothing natural about it. It is conditioned. This conditioning
>> is done by society.
>>
>> Incidentally, I know quite a few women jNara `sajte gujte' bhalo basen
>> na, and would rather spend the time that could have spent on grooming
>> themselves, in other (possibly better) ways.
>
>taar maaney aapni boltey chaichhen :
>
>1. Meye-ra cream naa mekhey, se samay-tate borong ektu Marx
>porley kaajey debey ?
Ei thread ta aami shuru korechilam bole, tai majh-khan theke naak golacchi.
Apnar proshner jobab di tahole. Shottyi to, amader desher meyera cream na
mekhe shei shomoita te Marx poDle onek kaaje dito. Ta meyera keno,
chelerao Marx "poDle" kaaje dito. Aar shudhu Marx keno, Adam Smith
"poDleo" kaaje dito. Je utsaho niye deshe Filmfare poDa hoye, shei utsaho
niye loke jodi Marx poDto, dekhten desher onek unnati hoto. Asha kori
maanben je Marx poDlei keu Marxist hoye jaye na.
>2. Apni koyekjon mohila-ke janen jara 'sajte gujte' bhalobasen na?
>-- aachha aapni ki sure, je enara konodin kono cream makhen ni,
>emonki Boroline-o noi. Ami kintu anek-kei jani jara parchur
>sijog thaka sotteo Marx porar byaparey utsaho dekhan ni, konodin
>chhu-eo dekhen ni.
Again Marx keno, aapni jNader kotha bolchen tNara "sujog thaka sotteo"
kono kichu poDar utsaho dekhiyechen ki? TNara ki roj Aristotle, Smith,
Keynes, Voltaire poDchen, shudhu Marx ke baad diye? Emon ki? tahole
bujhtam.
>3. Aar bolchhen, eto Herbal cream ('chandan') esaab-er babyohaar
>bahudin thekey cholleo, meye-der oi saja-gojar byapar ta "nature"-al
>noi ?
Bujhlam na. Sayan to sposto likheche je "There is nothing natural about it. It is
conditioned. This conditioning is done by society". Chandan *makha* ti
natural? Apni mone hoye duto jinish guliye phelechen: chandan jinish ta
natural, chandan makha ta natural nao to hote pare. Choto theke jodi ekta
meye ke bojhano hoye je chandan na makhle (ba chule Keo-Karpin na dile....)
bhalo bor jutbe na, shei meye keno, je kono meye bap-bap bole niyomito
chandan makhbe. Shetakei bole conditioning. Ebar jodi choto theke meyeder
bola hoye: dekho ma, bhalo kore poDashuno koro, gyan orjon koro, doshta
bhalo boi poDo, doshta bhalo lecture shunte jao...., sheta onyo dhoroner
conditioning. Dutor bhetor tofat aache na nei? Amar kotha ta hocche ei;
amader samajer conditioning er focus ta kon deeke hoya uchit: cream makhar
deeke na onyo deeke? Tar maane ei noi je Marx poDa aar Boroline makha
duto contradictory activities. To paraphrase an old bengali "bakhdhara": je
Marx poDe, shey Boroline'o makhe!
-Joydeep
(my last post on this topic; anyway, Marxism was getting creamed on this
thread!:-))
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
Dekhun boi porar gyan to chhotobela thekei onek Baba-Ma'i diye thaken.
Kintu sobai ki ta shone?
Cream laganor kotha bolchhen. Seto sob Baba-Ma'i nijer chhele-meye'deri
bole. Amar Bou'o roj goshe-goshe chhele'ke cream lagay. Chule tel dey
jate Baba'r moton taak na pore.
Amar mone hoi meye'der Bor jogar korar tagidh oi puberty'tei ase. Tokhon
mota-muti sob meye'i paka-pokto hoye jay. Baba-Ma'r bishesh kichhu korar
thake na. Social pressure'ta thik. Kintu seta amar mone hoi e Desh'e
beshi amader Desh'er theke.
Ekjon obibahito mohila ba nir-bandhyob toruni'r je koto khani pressure
face korte hoi ei Desh'e seta na dekhle bojhha jay na.
Sutorang, ei Desh'er concept holo proshadhon koro, nije'ke sorboda torun
rakho, ityadi, ityadi. Sei concept'gulo amader Desh'eo jachhe, loke
khachhe. Protyek-bar Desh'e gele chheleder jonye jama-kapor, cigarette,
mod aar meyeder jonye perfume aar prosadhon'er jinish niye amra jachhi.
Arekta kotha.
Je randhe se chul'o bandhe.
Sutorang je pore seo prosadhon kore. Kontake ke pradhanyo debe, seta
taar uporei nirbhorshil.
Subho.
Soumitri Mukherjee
prothomoto: aami joydeep-babu'r uporokto ovijog-er uttor aamar aager
posting-a diye diyechhi, aapna'r aabar oi "kaata ghaaye noon
chhetaano'r" dorkaar chhilo na, uttor-ta poDe nite paaren | aar aami
idaaning kaale aapnaake kono posting paaThiyechhi bole mone poDchhe na,
aykebaare goDaa'r dike holeo hote paare, tokhon SCB'r protocol bhaalo
bhaabe jaana chhilo na |
dwitioto, aami 'debi' noi, soumitri holo sumitra'r putro, konya noy,
baangla dictionary khule dekhe nite paaren | aar baastobik-i aamar mayer
naam sumitra, kaajei....
---soumitri
Soumitri Mukherjee
mojaa kore likhte cheyechhen kintu poDe kyamon paanshe paanshe laaglo |
borong aamar kothaa shune gyan na diye, bou-er kothaa shune onnyo
meyeder dike na taakiye, aar naaree shwadhinotaay hostokkhep na kore
nirbighne poDashuno niye jibon jaapon korun, dekhben nirjhonjhaat
'aykta' life peye gyachhen, aar oi life niye shukhee thaakte chestaa
korun, ok?? UFO choDa'r dorkaar nei| aar jibone aykbar UFO choDa'r
shaahosh-o nijer nei? taar jonnye aabar IDG-ke daakte hobe??? eta ki
jibone merudondo-hinota'r porichoy noy???
----soumitri
Soumitri Mukherjee
Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>
> Soumitri Mukherjee wrote:
>
> shei china aei pNujibaadi maarkin juktoraashtro'r
> > shaathe boishoik byapare 'most favored nation' status paabaar jonnye
> > udgrib hoye boshe thaake kyano?
>
> Kotha-ta Thik noy , khobor onujayi Markin Juktoraashtro-i beshi udgreeb
> Cheen-ke MFN dewar jonye. Er modhye abar oder opor noitik jhamela
> chapanor cheshta korechchilo, Cheen patta dyayni. Ebochchor tarpor-o
> Bill cheshta korchche pher shei Cheen-kei MFN dewar.
tomaar kothaa Thik ki aamar kothaa Thik aei niye aamader torkaatorki
kore luv nei, borong aar aykta Thik kothaa shune raakho je China'r trade
surplus America'r market-a about $30 billion, hNya $30 billion, kaajei
aeirokom market bojaay raakhte ke beshi uTshuk hobe bujhtei paarchho |
tobe hNya, niche jaa likhechho, taa holeo hote paare, China'r
jonoshonkhya 1 billion-er opor, aar jodi taara economic growth bojaay
raakhte paare, ta'le China'r o luv, aar jaara China'r economic
ogrogoti'r jonnye mooldhon biniyog korechhe taader-o luv, kaajei...|
borong tumi aykhon theke Intel, Microsoft, GE, Boeing, Citibank aei shob
multinational company gulo'r "pNuji" kichhu kichhu kore kine raakho,
nijer jonnye na bhaableo, konnya-ke "pNujipoti" korle tomaar kono
bodnaam hobe na, <:) | In fact, aei bhaabe shaadhaaron maanush jodi
aashte aashte, jaar pokkhe jototaa shomvob shei bhaabe, pNujipoti howaar
chestaa kore, ta'le Sayan-er kothaay 'playing field' -ta onekta 'level'
hoye jaabe, ototaa discriminatory aar thaakbe na | aamar mone hoy etaa
naturally evolving process, Thik oi Sayan-er kothaa onujayee,
hunter-gatherer theke settler, settler theke feudal, feudal theke
capitalist orthaT 'pNujipoti', ebong finally jokon bishwobyapi
pNujipoti-der shonkhya beshi hoye jaabe, jokhon kina 'playing field'
onek level hoye jaabe, aykta standardized social norm toiree hobe
bishwobyapee, tokhon Sayan-er kothaa onujayee socialistic viewpoints
roots nebe | shetaa hobe capitalistic-socialism | aashakori Sayan aei
posting-ta poDbe, aar bujhte chestaa korbe je aami or ultimate
outlook-er proti antagonist noi | shudhu aamar pother dhaara vinno, i
think more evolutionary | jaader aachhe taader theke jyano-tyano
prokaare keDe niye shorbohaara-ke bitoron Thik evolutionary process noy,
borong shetaa revolutionary process which withers away with time because
the process does not grow roots. aalaada kore aar Sayan-ke aykhon
likhlaam na, pore kono aykdin shomoy pele...|
---soumitri
Dr. S. Mozumdar
Ami khoob'i du:khito e byapare.
Amar eta jana chhilo na.
Well, what's in a name?
Koto lok'i to nijer meye'r nam Sobita rakhe? Sobita to surjy'er naam.
Amar ek pen friend'er nam Ira Ghosh. Take ami jantam mohila bole.
Bohudin bade jenechhilam je na se purush. Or Baba, Ghoshbabu e Desh'e
eshe ekjon Jewish mohila'ke biye koren ebong Ira nam'ta uni'i den (ota
ekta Jewish name). Eta jana'r pore to aar ami oke Ira'da bole daakte
parini. Tai or daak nam - Ponchanon (Panchu'da) bolei deke eshechhi.
Bangali mohole uni Panchu(da) nam'ei porichito.
Jai hok ami khub'i du:khito e bhabe apnar ling'e aghat koray.
Thik, meye'der mathay je eto budhhi thakte pare na eta amar agei jana
uchit chhilo. Kebol apnar jhhogra korar style'ta khanikta meye'der moton
bolei bodhoi amar ei bhool'ta hoyechhilo. Jai hok bhobishot'e erokom
bhool aar kokhhono hobe na. A.T. Dev'er obidhaan bogole kore niye er por
theke ghoorbo.
Bastobik'i amar Shashuri'r nam'o Sumitra. Tai amar Shala'r nam ta'le
Sudip na hoye Soumitri howa'tai uchit chhilo.
Dhoooooooos Shaala.
Subho.
T.H.Sanyal.
In article <33A0C6...@erols.com>, Soumitri Mukherjee <smu...@erols.com>
says:
>Tomishrahoron, bhaalo aachho? Shoma kyamon aachhe? aar deshe Susanta
>kaku-ra bhaalo aachhen to? chinte paarle aamake? <:), anyhow,...
Chinte perechi Khokan-da. Amra sabai bhalo. Desh theke ghure elam
ek saptaha holo. Desheo sabai bhalo.
>ki niye aami poDashuno korte onichchhuk ? 'bostaapochaa marxbaad'
>bolechhi, taai niye? bhaabte chesta koro je kyano bostaapochaa bolechhi?
>bostaapochha bolechhi aeijonnye je eta aykta non-evolving socially
>stagnant socio-economic framework which had been socially experimented
>with a number of large and small countries and in the long run that
>framework failed completely or partially in most of them to the extent
Soviet Union, China ityadite prakrita socialism chilo kina ei prashna
jadi chereo di, tahaleo prashna kara jay je paschimi duniya thanda
larai na chapiye dile tader samaj bhenge parto kina. Dharun VietNam.
oi choto deshtar opor markinira je poriman boma pheleche tar pare ki
bala jay je oder je sabar duto kare gari nei tar karan marxbad
bastapacha? 1930-e punjibad abalambankari paschimi duniya Depression-er
shikar hay ebang WWII shuru na haoya parjanta sei Depression kate na.
eta theke ki bala jay na je punjibad bastapacha? itihas ghente dekhan
to je punjibad kakhano samajer sabaike arthik swacchandya ene diyeche?
asale bastab duniyate socialism ba capitalism konotai nei. jeta ache
seta holo economic imperialism jar abarte chin russia ekhan dhuke
poreche. aj apni ba ami ekta VCR besh sastay kine khushi hote pari,
kintu amader ei bhog-kshamatar pechane ache indonesia ba anya kono
deshe slave labor. sutarang punjibad amader kray-kshamata bariyeche
eta kintu ekta ekpeshe chitra; eksange punjibad manushke slave
banacche (markin muluker theke kichuta dure bale apnar chokhe parche na).
setao bhabun.
>1. bolte paarbo na tomaar quiz-er uttor bhaai | tobe oboshshyoi children
>vaccine nirvor kore vinno vinno desher opor| onnyannyo deshgulo
>children vaacin-er byapare ayto pechhiye aachhe?
1996-er Scientific American ghente dekhun. apnar prashner uttar paben.
>2. relatively bolchho aashakori, kaaron 'pNujibaad-er probokta maarkin
>juktoraashtro'r doridrosheema onnyanno onekdesher doridrosheema'r urdhe
>| aeirokom aaltopka duchaarte 'shottyo kina ke jaane' totthyo diye ki
>aar pNujibaad-er oshafollyota promaan kora jaay ? tumi-ee bolo? ta'le
Thik ache. Ami balchi je itihas shiksha dicche je punjibad kakhano
samajer sabaike arthik swacchandya dey ni. arthat punjibadi samaj
byabasthay winner ebang loser thakte badhya. ekshetre kintu samaj balte
ami kono ekta desh bojhacchi na. ami bojhacchi ekta closed economic
system. arthat apni jadi 19th century England-ke dekhiye balen je
ei to punjibad ki sanghatik saphal, takhan ami apnake mone kariye
debo je Bharate upanibesh na thakle Englander chakchikya anektai kame
jeto. temni New Yorker chokh dhandhano sky scraper ebang Mexico, Haiti,
Guatemala egulo eki samajer antargata. Shudhu prathamtar dike takiye
punjibad khub saphal, ei dharana kara bhul. arthat apni jadi punjibader
madhyame ei prithibir sabaike swacchandya ene dite chan, tahale apnake
mangal grahe upanibesh tairi karte habe.
>aei system aykhono cholchhe kyano, aar russia'r kothaa to baad-ee
gayer jore chalche (by force).
>dilaam, china, jekhaane kina 'original marxbaadi-ra boshe aachhen,
>shodhonbaadi-ra noy, shei china aei pNujibaadi maarkin juktoraashtro'r
>shaathe boishoik byapare 'most favored nation' status paabaar jonnye
>udgrib hoye boshe thaake kyano?
karan chiner bartaman netritwa atyanta badmaish.
>3. baro baro company-gulo 'chantai khelay matta"--aei baakyo'r maane
>bujhlaam na|
> ektu bujhiye bolbe ???
Multinational companies are playing downsizing game, even when they
are profitable, but they are sending top brass salaries sky high.
bujhlen?
ths.
Siddhartha Duttagupta
In article <33A594...@research.umbc.edu>,
Dr. S. Mozumdar <smo...@research.umbc.edu> wrote:
>Soumitri Mukherjee wrote:
>>
>> Dr. Subho Mozumdar wrote:
>> >
>> > > aar aykta kotha bole aei thread shesh korte chaai | in general, aami
>> > > lokkho korechhi chhelera, bishesh kore banagali chhelera, meyeder gyan
>> > > deowa-ta taader poitrik odhikaar bole mone kore | meyera shaaDi pore ki
>> >
Shotyi bou boleychey naki. Darun nishthur to shudhu shadinotai
hostokkhep na, gandharir moto rumal diyey chokh bujiyey rekheychey?;)))
Amar bou ektu kom strict boleychey
takatey parbey kintu money jeno kono ajgubi (sic) chinta na ashey.
that I think is more practical.
after all ekeybarey don't see policy hoyey geley accident-er shomuho
shombhabona;))))
>> > gyan'o dite parbo na. Bou'ke jodi boli eta poro ba ota gaye lagio na,
>> > ta'le setao nari-swadhinota'r upor hostokshep.
Etar duto solution achey: ekta hochhey kichu na chaoa, ba na bola.
amader money hoi tatey moja kom.
Er thekey dujonei equal demand koruk . Ami jodi boukey shari portey
boli tobey amakeo dhuti portey hobey. This is more fun.
>> aar naaree shwadhinotaay hostokkhep na kore
>
Ekhaney abortion niyey kichuta erokom kotha hoi. Ekpokkho holo
this is woman's body you have no say in this, ar ek pokhho boley
jey "tax dollars" diyey kono funded program-er opor shokoler
( basically targetting poor people's medical assistance)
kotha bolar odhikar achey.
Ar ekta example holo smoking. People say it is their right to
tell others not to smoke because of
(a) second hand smoke
(b) medicare costs eventually burden everybody
(c) for women smoking during pregnancy may be harmful
Oboshyo India-tey medicare nei, kintu amar priyojon
jodi kono khotikarak practise korey tobey bondhu
hishebei ki amar takey baron kora kortobyo noi?
Particular instance-ey shei priyojon jodi meyey hoi
tobey ki ta nari swadhinotai hostokkhep hoyey gelo?
Priyojon, bondhujon-er gondir bairey keu eshey ojachito
upodesh diley oboshyo onek lokei offense nebey. Shekhaney
assuumtion holo jey shobai jokhon motamuti buddhiman/mati, tara
jeney shunei ja korbar ta korchen.
So not much to do but wish them a short and pleasant life.;))
regards, siddhartha
Dr. S. Mozumdar
Siddhartha Duttagupta wrote:
>
> In article <33A594...@research.umbc.edu>,
> Dr. S. Mozumdar <smo...@research.umbc.edu> wrote:
> >Soumitri Mukherjee wrote:
> >>
> >> Dr. Subho Mozumdar wrote:
> >> >
> >> > soumitri mukherjee wrote:
> >> > > aar aykta kotha bole aei thread shesh korte chaai | in general, aami
> >> > > lokkho korechhi chhelera, bishesh kore banagali chhelera, meyeder gyan
> >> > > deowa-ta taader poitrik odhikaar bole mone kore | meyera shaaDi pore ki
> >> >
> >> > Bou bolechhe onyo meyeder dike takate parbo na. Apni bolchhen amra
>
> Shotyi bou boleychey naki. Darun nishthur to shudhu shadinotai
> hostokkhep na, gandharir moto rumal diyey chokh bujiyey rekheychey?;)))
>
> Amar bou ektu kom strict boleychey
> takatey parbey kintu money jeno kono ajgubi (sic) chinta na ashey.
> that I think is more practical.
Achha tomar Bou ki Ghoti na Bangal?
Amar Bou ek hundred percent Bangal tay abar onar korkot rashi.
Korkot'er kamor sojyo kora jai kintu korkosh bani sojyo korte gele
bodhoi Super Thick hote hoi. Sutorang mene niyechhi.
> after all ekeybarey don't see policy hoyey geley accident-er shomuho
> shombhabona;))))
>
Na se shombhabona khoob kom. Seta'r karon holo amar Bou'i holo jeebon'er
kandari. Ami to toroni matro.
Tini jedike jete chaiben ami sedike'i cholbo.
> >> > gyan'o dite parbo na. Bou'ke jodi boli eta poro ba ota gaye lagio na,
> >> > ta'le setao nari-swadhinota'r upor hostokshep.
>
> Etar duto solution achey: ekta hochhey kichu na chaoa, ba na bola.
> amader money hoi tatey moja kom.
>
Biye'take moja bolchho. Tumi jano byapar'ta koto serious.
Jai hok tumi chhoto bole tomay gyan debo na.
> Er thekey dujonei equal demand koruk . Ami jodi boukey shari portey
> boli tobey amakeo dhuti portey hobey. This is more fun.
>
Abar tumi fun'er kotha anchho.
Na aar para gelo na.
> >> aar naaree shwadhinotaay hostokkhep na kore
> >
>
> Ekhaney abortion niyey kichuta erokom kotha hoi. Ekpokkho holo
> this is woman's body you have no say in this, ar ek pokhho boley
> jey "tax dollars" diyey kono funded program-er opor shokoler
> ( basically targetting poor people's medical assistance)
> kotha bolar odhikar achey.
>
Khoti bodhoi hoi du poksher'i.
> Ar ekta example holo smoking. People say it is their right to
> tell others not to smoke because of
> (a) second hand smoke
> (b) medicare costs eventually burden everybody
> (c) for women smoking during pregnancy may be harmful
>
> Oboshyo India-tey medicare nei, kintu amar priyojon
> jodi kono khotikarak practise korey tobey bondhu
> hishebei ki amar takey baron kora kortobyo noi?
>
> Particular instance-ey shei priyojon jodi meyey hoi
> tobey ki ta nari swadhinotai hostokkhep hoyey gelo?
>
Hyan, onek'er motei tai.
Amra ki ekhono jani swadhinota'ta ki? Swadhinota o uchhsrinkholota'r
modhye je fine line'ta achhe seta kojon'i ba bojhhe?
Sutorang chepe jaoai bhalo.
> Priyojon, bondhujon-er gondir bairey keu eshey ojachito
> upodesh diley oboshyo onek lokei offense nebey. Shekhaney
> assuumtion holo jey shobai jokhon motamuti buddhiman/mati, tara
> jeney shunei ja korbar ta korchen.
>
Ekkere sotyi kotha.
Ami tomar sathe e byapar'e ek mot. Swadhinota noi chai Byakti
Swadhinota. Na holei T.M. (E byapar'e to Boss tumi'i guru).
> So not much to do but wish them a short and pleasant life.;))
>
Om Shanti! Om Shanti! Om Shanti!
> regards, siddhartha
Subho.
Dr. S. Mozumdar
Soumitri Mukherjee wrote:
>
> Dr. Subho Mozumdar wrote:
> >
> > soumitri mukherjee wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > aar aykta kotha bole aei thread shesh korte chaai | in general, aami
> > > lokkho korechhi chhelera, bishesh kore banagali chhelera, meyeder gyan
> > > deowa-ta taader poitrik odhikaar bole mone kore | meyera shaaDi pore ki
> > > cream mekhe twok ba bokkhodesher poriborton korbe aei niye twattik gyan
> > > dite ba kotaakkho korte taara bindumaatro pichhupa hoi na| aami kintu
> > > meyeder, ta aei SCB-te (at least aami jotodin aachhi), ba net-er onnyo
> > > kothaao, ba in fact real world-eo chheleder jibonjaatra niye montyobbo
> > > korte beshi shunini | taai aamar mone hoy chheleder proti, bishesh kore
> > > bangali chheleder proti, 'get a life' kothata appropriate |
> > >
> > > ---soumitri
> >
> > Baba eto dekhchhi fata-fati byapar.
> > Achha amar life sombondhe kono idea nei. Ektu bolte parben kothay pabo
> > ektu life. Beshi noy, ektu holei cholbe.
> > ta'le setao nari-swadhinota'r upor hostokshep.
> > Jak'ge jodi janen kothay bhalo life kothay paoa jabe janaben.
> > Ki IDG, abar ki amader UFO'te chorte hobe naki?
> >
> > Subho.
>
> mojaa kore likhte cheyechhen kintu poDe kyamon paanshe paanshe laaglo |
> borong aamar kothaa shune gyan na diye, bou-er kothaa shune onnyo
> meyeder dike na taakiye,
Bhalo, apni ta'le amay "stroinyo" hote bolchhen? Hobo nahoy.
> aar naaree shwadhinotaay hostokkhep na kore
Kotha dichhi, nijer du haat kete phelbo.
Tate host'er jonye akshep thakleo, karur byapar'e hostokkep kora hobe
na.
> nirbighne poDashuno niye jibon jaapon korun,
Eta thik bujhhlam na.
Nirbigne porashuna korte bolchhen na nirbigne jeebon-japon korte
bolchhen?
Nirbigne porashuna kora to aar amar haat'er modhye noi (bishesh kore
haat kata'r pore jodi haat'i na thake). Seta to pariparshik onek'gulo
factor (I mean, parameters)'er upor nirbhorhil.
Nirbigne jeebon jaapon korbo ki kore korbo jodi "jeebon"i na thake?
Sei jonyei to apnake jigyesh korlam ektu jeebon (life) pai kothay.
Jai hok jeebon ke jaapon korte parbo kina janina, tobe jeeb'ke zap on
korar chesta korbo er por theke.
dekhben nirjhonjhaat
> 'aykta' life peye gyachhen, aar oi life niye shukhee thaakte chestaa
> korun, ok??
Apnar kothar moton life'ta jodi ekta vodka hoto ta'le to kono chintai
thakto na.
Jai hok life'eo vodka nei, vodka'teo life nei, sutorang you start from
where you begun.
UFO choDa'r dorkaar nei| aar jibone aykbar UFO choDa'r
> shaahosh-o nijer nei? taar jonnye aabar IDG-ke daakte hobe??? eta ki
> jibone merudondo-hinota'r porichoy noy???
>
Eta apni thik bolechhen. Bou'er kil kheye-kheye amar pith ekebarei
tholboliye gechhe. I guess amar moton onek purush'eri erokom obostha.
Ekbar UFO'te chorbo aar setao ekla? Lok'e amay swarthopor bolbe na?
Bolbe na - Shala bourgeois?
Baba re, eke to merudondo nei, tay abar UFO'r theke porle je
ho(s)tobhagyo Bangali'r ki hobe seta bhebei shiure uthchi.
> ----soumitri
Subho.
Kalpataru Barman
Joydeep Bhattacharya wrote:
> >2. Apni koyekjon mohila-ke janen jara 'sajte gujte' bhalobasen na?
> >-- aachha aapni ki sure, je enara konodin kono cream makhen ni,
> >emonki Boroline-o noi. Ami kintu anek-kei jani jara parchur
> >sijog thaka sotteo Marx porar byaparey utsaho dekhan ni, konodin
> >chhu-eo dekhen ni.
>
> Again Marx keno, aapni jNader kotha bolchen tNara "sujog thaka sotteo"
> kono kichu poDar utsaho dekhiyechen ki? TNara ki roj Aristotle, Smith,
> Keynes, Voltaire poDchen, shudhu Marx ke baad diye? Emon ki? tahole
> bujhtam.
Ke jeno ekbaar bolechhilen, 'Some books are like chewing gums, chew
and throw away, some books are to be swallowed ( for biological reasons
),
and some are to be chewed, relished and taken inside with complete
satisfaction." Udaharon hisebe dharun - chewing gum holo maaney oi
Filmfare
gochher, maajher type dharun School/College kono ekta course,
aar sesh-er type taa depend korchhey choice er opor.
'The Capita' ke kon class e phelben ? Aar jaader naam oporey korechhen,
bidogdho pandit byakti chhara ed-er boi hajom karar moto khamota kajon
sadharon lok raakhey balun ? Aar se khamota aachey, emon meye-der biye
korar moto patro sudhu deshe keno, bideshe-o ki khub besi aachhey ?
Aar, chewing gum, baa Das Mukherjee, aar Sesher Kabita -- sobguloi
laagey !
>
> >3. Aar bolchhen, eto Herbal cream ('chandan') esaab-er babyohaar
> >bahudin thekey cholleo, meye-der oi saja-gojar byapar ta "nature"-al
> >noi ?
>
> Bujhlam na.
Naa bujhe bhaloi korechhen. Karon ete bojhar moto kichhu nei.
Je katha-ta boltey cheyechhi, seta holo, meyeder saaj-gojer dikey
jhok taa bahudin thekey sob deshe sob kaalei aachey. Taa apni
jodi money koren je naa, seta thik noi, tathastu.
To paraphrase an old bengali "bakhdhara": je
> Marx poDe, shey Boroline'o makhe!
>
Eta aasoley hobey :
"je Boroline maakhey, se John Grisham-o poDey"
"aar je Boroline makhar samay nei, sei sudhu Marx poDey"
> -Joydeep
> (my last post on this topic; anyway, Marxism was getting creamed on this
> thread!:-))
Eta bhalo likhechhen ! Marxism ke SCB obdhi aaste holo, creamed hobaar
jonye.
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Kalpataru Barman
Software Consultant
networkMCI, MCI Telecommunications.
e-mail: ka...@mail-me.com ( res )
e-mail: Kalpa....@mci.com ( off )
http://soli.inav.net/~kalpa
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Kalpataru Barman
T.H.Sanyal. wrote:
> 1. ei birat prithibi-te ekti matra desh ache jekhane shishura pratyeke
> samasta prayojaniya tike (vaccine) peye thake. Sei deshtir nam ki?
Canada/Sweden ki ?
> 2. punjibader pradhan prabakta ei markin muluke sishuder 25% daridra-
> simar niche bas kare. eta ki punjibader "safalyer" drishtanta?
Ekhaney ki dhoroner daridro seemar katha bolchhen. Maaney je sishu
diaper pai naa, naaki jar footpath-e janmo o footpath-i ghar !
Amra Bharat-e je daridro-sima dekhi, taar nichhey ki satty-i 25%
sishu USA te bas kore ?
> 3. Marx-er pradhan abadan punjibader bishleshan. jakhan kagaj khullei
> dekhte pan baro baro "company"-gulo chantai-khelay matta takhan
> ki "marxbad bastapacha"-- ei dharanar samarthan khunje pan apni?
Kintu Marxbaad ki er samadhaan ?
>
> ths.
**************************************
Kalpataru Barman
Software Consultant
network MCI, MCI Telecommunications.
Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <5o4e92$9...@galaxy.ee.rochester.edu>, Siddhartha Duttagupta
says...
[...]
>Amar bou ektu kom strict boleychey
>takatey parbey kintu money jeno kono ajgubi (sic) chinta na ashey.
>that I think is more practical.
>after all ekeybarey don't see policy hoyey geley accident-er shomuho
>shombhabona;))))
Ta ei policy ta apnar stree implement koren ki kore (oi ajgubi chinta na asha'r
part ta)? Amaar ek bondhu o tar stree decide koreche je dujonei dekhte parbe
kintu chNute parbe na. Shetai beshi practical tai na.
Aarekta kotha: don't see policy hole accident-er shombhabona baDbe keno?
Borong gaDi chalate-chalate chaar deeke chokh thaklei to accident-er chance
baDbe, tai na?
:-)
-Joydeep
sayan bhattacharyya
Kalpataru Barman <ka...@mail-me.com> wrote:
>
>> 3. Marx-er pradhan abadan punjibader bishleshan. jakhan kagaj khullei
>> dekhte pan baro baro "company"-gulo chantai-khelay matta takhan
>> ki "marxbad bastapacha"-- ei dharanar samarthan khunje pan apni?
>
>Kintu Marxbaad ki er samadhaan ?
Marxism cannot possibly be a *solution* to *anything*. It is a tool
of analysis, which leads to certain insights about the laws of history
and the nature and working of societies, especially capitalist societies.
Marx was primarily concerned about analysing capitalism -- it is not
a coincidence that his core book is called "Capital".
Thus, Marxism is a methodolgy, not a ready-made "solution" of any
kind. The question that you raised is akin to asking, when given,
say, a problem in hydrodynamics, "tahole calculus ki er somadhan?"
The question does not make sense. Calculus is not in and of itself
a solution to anything, it is a certain way of analysing the world,
intelligent application of which may help you to *find* a solution
to your specific mathematical problem. (But calculus may not work
for all problems either). Calculus is not a solution but a methodology
which helps to find a solution for certain problems, but whether or
not you find a solution is dependent on you and your expertise. It is
the same case here. Also marxism is not a religion or a fetish
(just as calculus is not a religion).
sayan bhattacharyya
T.H.Sanyal. <TH...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>
>>2. relatively bolchho aashakori, kaaron 'pNujibaad-er probokta maarkin
>>juktoraashtro'r doridrosheema onnyanno onekdesher doridrosheema'r urdhe
>>| aeirokom aaltopka duchaarte 'shottyo kina ke jaane' totthyo diye ki
>>aar pNujibaad-er oshafollyota promaan kora jaay ? tumi-ee bolo? ta'le
>
>Thik ache. Ami balchi je itihas shiksha dicche je punjibad kakhano
>samajer sabaike arthik swacchandya dey ni.
Readers of this thread may find the following book interesting:
"We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New
World Order"
by Andrew L Shapiro.
New York, 1992, Vintage Books
Robert Reich, who incidentally was the Secretary of Labor in the
first Clinton administration, has said of this book:
"America is becoming a land of private greed and public squalor.
This book is an indispensable road map through the wreckage"
-Robert B. Reich
Here are some statistics from the book (everything in the book
is backed up by documentation, references and footnotes):
Of the major industrial nations, the U.S. is
#1 in infant mortality
#1 in death of children under 5
#1 in preschoolers NOT fully immunized
#1 in low birthweight babies ,
================================================================
#1 in billionaires
#1 in children & elderly living in poverty
#1 in real per capita GDP
#1 in unequal distribution of wealth
#1 in homelessness,
================================================================
#1 in %of R&D on military purposes
#1 in foreign MILITARY aid to developing countries
LAST in humanitarian aid to developing countries (%GNP) ,
================================================================
#1 in tobacco exports
#1 in bank failures and bailouts
#1 in CEO's pay
#1 in UNEQUAL pay (ratio CEO to worker pay)
LAST in paid vacation days per year,
#15 in women's wages as % of mens
#63 in % women in legislatures
================================================================
#1 in U.N. security council vetoes since 1980
#1 in NOT ratifying international human rights treaties (treaties listed
on page 115)
#1 in per capita in prison (rate for Blacks is *four times* that of
South African Blacks)
#1 in murder
#1 in state-sponsored executions ("capital punishment") ,
================================================================
Interesting statistics, don't you think?
-Sayan.
Dr. S. Mozumdar
Achha amra jodi Bou'eder kichhu suggest kori - jemon eta poro/porona,
eta mukhe lagao/lagiona, ityadi, to seta nari swadhinotar upor
hostokhhep kora hoye jay.
Kintu, onara amra ki niye chinta korbo/korbona, e niye amader bolle seta
amader swadhin chintadharar upore hostokhhep kora hoy na?
Ghor koli!
Subho.
T.H.Sanyal.
In article <33A622...@mail-me.com>, Kalpataru Barman <ka...@mail-me.com>
says:
>Canada/Sweden ki ?
Na, Cuba.
>Ekhaney ki dhoroner daridro seemar katha bolchhen. Maaney je sishu
>diaper pai naa, naaki jar footpath-e janmo o footpath-i ghar !
>Amra Bharat-e je daridro-sima dekhi, taar nichhey ki satty-i 25%
>sishu USA te bas kore ?
USA-r daridra simar kathai balechi. mone rakhben je kolkatay
footpath-e shue benche thaka asambhab nay, kintu Vermont-er december
mase footpathe shule ki habe apni nischoi janen. ei to kichudin age
Chicago-te garame kichu lok mara gelo, tader electric fan kenar paysa
chilo na! USA ebang Bharater daridra sima (Rs-$ hisebe) sangata
karanei alada.
>Kintu Marxbaad ki er samadhaan ?
Marx-er sab katha abhranta erakam mone karar kono karan nei. jemon
punjibad theke samajbade uttaran ghatbei -- eta ami mani na. United
Nations er Charter of Human Rights bale ekta byapar ache. jadi amra
setate bishwas kari (je pratyek manusher kichu nyunatam adhikar ache)
ebang punjibader prakrita swarupta bujhte pari (jekhane marx-er
sahajya nile labh bai kshati nei) tahale dekhbo je World Bank/IMF
amader sei lakshe niye jete parbe na. er sange samajbader ei sutratir
tulana karun
From each according to his ability
To each according to his work
ei sutrati khub kharap bale mone hocche ki?
ths.