Should Tagore Songs be moderated?
Snehasis Ganguly
Recently, Visvabharati issued a directive, wherein a new Rabindra-singer
has to show a certificate from All India Radio (AIR) before producing a
record of Tagore songs, and then a quality endorsement by Visvabharati
experts before the casettes are marketted. The rub
lies in the new rule that says Visvabharati, through its music board,
can stop a new singer without a certificate from producing a cassette.
Under the new rule, a singer must audition before the board, whose
experts will also subject him to customary quality
check before the launching of casette. The process however
will not apply to an established singer such as Bhimsen
Joshi.
This is an attempt to preserve the essence,purity,structure
and nuances of his songs. In a hurry to hit the big time,
a new singer departs at will from the musical notation and the
unique style created by the poet himself. As a result
market is flooded with casettes contaning raucous music for serious songs.
It seems that the singers are reacting strongly to the new development, fearing
curbs on their freedom, a dip in the popularity and delay in gaining entry
into a money-spinning slice of the music market.
Personally, I am quite worried about the politicking that goes on in both AIR
and Viswa Bharati. The above procedure could result in people with adequate
political backing to get through the song market, while talented artists could
be prevented. This comment is aside from the real controversy of whether one
should moderate the songs of Tagore at all?
Also, it is not clear what will happen to the Rabindra-singers from Bangladesh?
Will they have to get a ceritificate from AIR as well and then an endorsement
from ViswaBharati?
A lot of questions are unanswered on this issue.
Snehasis
Indrani DasGupta
Aar e-o shunlaam je kon ak Bombay-r bagha recording studio naki
Biswabharati-r theke kotha adaay kore niyechhe je taader artist-der
biruddhe e joD khatbe na, jehetu tNaara 'artistes of high calibre and
universal recognition'!?! Eta ki shottyi?
Tahole aar Asha-r dosh kothay?
Indrani.
Chaitali Basu
Snehasis Ganguly (sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu) wrote:
:
: Recently, Visvabharati issued a directive, wherein a new Rabindra-singer
: has to show a certificate from All India Radio (AIR) before producing a
: record of Tagore songs, and then a quality endorsement by Visvabharati
: experts before the casettes are marketted.
Eta ami deshe thakte shunechilum. Kintu artist-der AIR theke B grade-er
ceritificate nite hobe boleyi shunechilum mone hochhe. Eta niye anake
jamon khushi temni Subinoy Roy khoobi birokti prokash korechhen.
Tobe ebaar anek notun shilpir RS cassette bar korechhe HMV dekhlum.
Rejwana Choudhury'r gaangulo besh bhalo laglo. Jodio Suman-er notun
cassette-ta ektu pranheen legechhe amar. Indrani aar Indranil Sen
dujoneyi chutiye gayichhen aar Sriradha o Saikat-O dekhlum RS
gayichhen. RS niye besh ektu hoyichoyi hochhe akhon dekhlum.
: Snehasis
Chaitali
Ihtisham Kabir
I cannot believe the audacity of Vishwabharati in policing
Tagore songs like this. This is completely outrageous.
His songs were his greatest and most accessible gifts to
Bengali-speaking people. Let all Bengalis sing and enjoy them.
I am sure many of you remember the banning of Debabrata Biswas,
the greatest singer of Tagore songs. Didn't anyone learn anything
from it?
- Ihtisham
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
In article <4vfvnm$n...@hermes.louisville.edu>,
chai...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Chaitali Basu) wrote:
>
> Snehasis Ganguly (sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu) wrote:
> :
> : Recently, Visvabharati issued a directive, wherein a new Rabindra-singer
> : has to show a certificate from All India Radio (AIR) before producing a
> : record of Tagore songs, and then a quality endorsement by Visvabharati
> : experts before the casettes are marketted.
> Eta ami deshe thakte shunechilum. Kintu artist-der AIR theke B grade-er
> ceritificate nite hobe boleyi shunechilum mone hochhe. Eta niye anake
> jamon khushi temni Subinoy Roy khoobi birokti prokash korechhen.
I think the Viswabharati directive is the recent one and it
is an addition to the certificate requirements. There has
been an ongoing controversy in the cultural cirles of Calcutta.
One of the recent popular Singer Pijush Kanti Sircar has described
this as posting a sentry at the entry point.
> Tobe ebaar anek notun shilpir RS cassette bar korechhe HMV dekhlum.
> Rejwana Choudhury'r gaangulo besh bhalo laglo. Jodio Suman-er notun
hain , Rejwana choudhury'r natun gaangulo amio shunechi,
bhaloi legeche||
> cassette-ta ektu pranheen legechhe amar. Indrani aar Indranil Sen
ta uni ki chondo, sur eiyshob dekhe gaan korechen
na ja khushi?
> dujoneyi chutiye gayichhen aar Sriradha o Saikat-O dekhlum RS
> gayichhen. RS niye besh ektu hoyichoyi hochhe akhon dekhlum.
keno, tate apnaar khub dukho hocche naaki?
Kumar shanu'r gaan niyeo ektu hoey choi koraa uchit|
> : Snehasis
> Chaitali
>
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In article <321B55...@american.edu>,
Indrani DasGupta <id2...@american.edu> wrote:
>
> Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
> >
> > Recently, Visvabharati issued a directive, wherein a new Rabindra-singer
> > has to show a certificate from All India Radio (AIR) before producing a
> > record of Tagore songs, and then a quality endorsement by Visvabharati
Eiy rokom gujob choralei to yellow journalism hoey, tomar
Jaundice hote paare, jodi na Viral fever ityimodhye hoey giye
thake macher chop kheye |
Asha badider kono dosh nei, joto dosh nirashabadider |
Jokes aside, this is an attempt to prevent new and upcoming
artistes from publishing themselves, in my opinion. Also the
attempt by the Bombay studio clearly points to the way people
would tend to bend the rules.
snehasis
Indrani DasGupta
Right you are! It may seem that Biswabharati has gone a bit bonkers,
and that too this late in the day.
However, was Asha Bhonsle crooning "BoDo Asha Kore..." the same as
Debobrota Biswas's rendition of the same?
There's got to be a uniformity in the 'Gayoki' of Rabindrasangeet. I
sorely doubt whether RT himself would have protested this move. It just
had to happen, I guess. But, whether or not this directive is here to
stay is anybody's guess.
Indrani.
Samir Bhattacharya
Indrani-debi likhechhen:
...
>There's got to be a uniformity in the 'Gayoki' of Rabindrasangeet. I
Oporer line-tar mane ki ektu bujhiye deben, gayoki diye shuru kore?
Somproti, Veena Sahasrabuddhe'r Ramdasi Malhar-er akta cassette shunte
shunte mone holo besh koyek-ta 'phrase'-e jano Rabindrik "gayoki'r"
chhNowach aachhe. E-rokom mone howata ki, by definition, bhul?
Shubhechha,
-Samir
>Indrani.
Indrani DasGupta
Samir-babu likhechhilen:
Prothhom-ei boli...aami oi cassette-ti ba onar kichhu-i shunini. Oi
cassette-e uni ja geyechhen taate Rabindrik "gayoki"r chNowach thaaka
bhul kano? Apnar proshno-ta thhik bujhlaam na.
"Rabindrik Gayoki" bolte aami ja bujhi ta holo, arguably, "ddhong". Ete
hoyto onek-ei protibaad korben. Jodi kaar-o kaachhe better definition
thaake, please feel free.
Byaktigoto bhaabe e kotha-ti niye amaar mon-e jotheshto songshoy aachhe.
Jyamon dhorun ekti meye Rabindrasangeet gailo. Kono bishesh training nei
taar. Lok-e shune-i bollo, "bah...tomar to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
Er maane ki taar "gayoki" holo Rabindrik? Amaar mon-e hoy na.
Rabindranath nije ei niye ak shomoy prochur bhebechhen o akbaar Roman
Rolland-r shaathe ekti kothpokothon-e e shombondhe onar kichhu
"apprehensions" prokash korechhilen. Tar khanikta niche tule dilaam:
In India we have the other extreme. The singer often
takes too much liberty with the music. In pictures and
in literature the outward form is fixed, but music
requires for its interpretation the human voice; even
in instrumental music you have the human hand which is
very flexible. The singer must therefore be a true artist
and not merely an artisan. In India the composer has to
depend a great deal on the singer to make the music complete
by his rendering, but unfortunately the singer often
overshadows the composer by his own variations.
Ei "unfortunately" shobdo-ti byabohar-e hoyto aaro onek "composers"
protibaad korben. Tobe, e-o hoyto bola jete paare je akshomoy ja chhilo
"Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhonkar "Rabindrasangeet"-er akaash-patal
tofaat. Ebong ei tofaat-ta din din baaDchhe boi komchhe na. RS-er
techniques... dhorun Sworolipi, diction ityaadi...baad dile ja
thaake...shilpi-r kontthe-r shabhabik shoundorjyo (jaake aamra onek
kkhetre boli bhogobaan-dotto), dorod, tal-loy-r sushom-o
byabohaar...ityadi mil-e je "gayoki" toiri hoy taar uniqueness
shombondhye, amaar mon-e ontoto, kono songshoy nei.
Ei karon-ei aami Debobroto Bishwash ebong Asha Bhonsle-r proshongo
tulechhilam. Dujon-ei bharot-er songeet-jogot-er onyotom-o shilpi.
Dujon-er-i RS gayoki ebong gaan niye bohu baag-bitonda-r srishti
hoyechhe. Dujon-ei, geyechhen "BoDo asha kore eshechhi go kaachhe deke
lo-w." RS gayoki-r kotha chheDe-i din. Kaar gaowa oi gaan-ti apnar
kaachhe beshi shruti-modhur?
Shubhechhante,
Indrani.
Chaitali Basu
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu wrote:
: ta uni ki chondo, sur eiyshob dekhe gaan korechen
: na ja khushi?
Ta noye. Amar jatodur sur ba chonder gyan tate ogulo thik achhe
boleyi mone hoyechhe, kintu Suman nijer galata kamon akta
bhashiye geyechhen. Ashole bola uchit chilo je ektu halka
legechhe. Tobe eta shompurno amar mone haowa. Keu e niye
challenge janale kichhu korar neyi.
: > gayichhen. RS niye besh ektu hoyichoyi hochhe akhon dekhlum.
:
: keno, tate apnaar khub dukho hocche naaki?
Dukho??? - amar ? Akdomoi na. Ami RS-er darun bhakto. Ta niye
hoyichoyi choto theke konodini khoob beshi hote dekhini tai
uktita kora.
: Kumar shanu'r gaan niyeo ektu hoey choi koraa uchit|
Oke niye to jothesto hoyichoyi hoyechhe o hochhe. Zee TV-te
ki apurbo shob interview dichhe tar khNoj rakhen?
Chaitali
Chaitali Basu
Indrani DasGupta (id2...@american.edu) wrote:
: Byaktigoto bhaabe e kotha-ti niye amaar mon-e jotheshto songshoy aachhe.
: Jyamon dhorun ekti meye Rabindrasangeet gailo. Kono bishesh training nei
: taar. Lok-e shune-i bollo, "bah...tomar to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
: Er maane ki taar "gayoki" holo Rabindrik? Amaar mon-e hoy na.
: protibaad korben. Tobe, e-o hoyto bola jete paare je akshomoy ja chhilo
: "Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhonkar "Rabindrasangeet"-er akaash-patal
: tofaat. Ebong ei tofaat-ta din din baaDchhe boi komchhe na. RS-er
: techniques... dhorun Sworolipi, diction ityaadi...baad dile ja
: thaake...shilpi-r kontthe-r shabhabik shoundorjyo (jaake aamra onek
: kkhetre boli bhogobaan-dotto), dorod, tal-loy-r sushom-o
: byabohaar...ityadi mil-e je "gayoki" toiri hoy taar uniqueness
: shombondhye, amaar mon-e ontoto, kono songshoy nei.
:
: Ei karon-ei aami Debobroto Bishwash ebong Asha Bhonsle-r proshongo
: tulechhilam. Dujon-ei bharot-er songeet-jogot-er onyotom-o shilpi.
: Dujon-er-i RS gayoki ebong gaan niye bohu baag-bitonda-r srishti
: hoyechhe. Dujon-ei, geyechhen "BoDo asha kore eshechhi go kaachhe deke
: lo-w." RS gayoki-r kotha chheDe-i din. Kaar gaowa oi gaan-ti apnar
: kaachhe beshi shruti-modhur?
Beshir bhaag somoy ektu narom kore gayile-I lok-e bole "bah...tomar
to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!" Kintu "gayoki" bolte ki proper
"meeD"-er byabohar. TachaDa proper follow of swarolipi ba uchharon
bhalo (mon-e achhe DB'r uchharon niye amader kotha?) kimba even
balanced use of bhaab ba emotion bolchho? Ta jodi hoye tobe sheto
somoy-er shonge bodle jaabeyi. Jara prothom DB-er against-e kotha
bolten tara "Rabibabu-r gaan" peten na onar kachh theke. Kintu
tumi ba ami ki even amader mayeder generation onar gayaki aar
particularly kichhu uchharon nakol korte abhyosho karon takeyi
amra RS-er gayoki bole bhabi. Aaj notun keu eshe jodi onno kichhu
change ane aar sheta objective angle theke sruti modhur hoye, tobe
takei in course of time RS-er gayoki bolbe lok-e. Aar je gaan-tate
Asha aar DB'r tulona korle sheta-te bhalo kore bhebe dakho "expression
of the emotion" jaake tumi "bhaab" bolchho, amra je bhabe shunte
chayi ba shunte abhostho, shetatei baaDo tofat. Tobe etayo thik je
tumi amon akta gaan bechechho jate DB ashadharon aar Asha besh
anektayi jhuliyechhen.
: Indrani.
Chaitali
Indrani DasGupta
Chaitali Basu wrote:
> Beshir bhaag somoy ektu narom kore gayile-I lok-e bole "bah...tomar
> to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
Thhik bujhlam na. "Norom" maane ki bolte chaichho? "Mohor-mashi" ba
Banani Ghosh school of RS? "Norom" kore gaile-i erokom bole? Kintu
tahole dhoro Suchitra Mitra-r gola-r opurbo bolishthho-ta...?
Kintu "gayoki" bolte ki proper
> "meeD"-er byabohar. TachaDa proper follow of swarolipi ba uchharon
> bhalo (mon-e achhe DB'r uchharon niye amader kotha?) kimba even
> balanced use of bhaab ba emotion bolchho?
Amaar proshno (songshoy-o bolte paaro) shekhane-i. "Rabindrasangeet-er
gola" e kotha-ta aami personally onekbaar shunechhi. Er maane kintu noy
je jaake bola hochchhe shey bhalo Rabindrasangeet gay. Kisher (techniques
na bhaab ba dorod? Naki onno kichhu ja shompurno bhaabe unlearnable?)
adhikkyo thakle ei kotha-ta byabohaar hoy? Aar eta ki akta dayshara
gochher compliment? Na, does it really mean something?
Ta jodi hoye tobe sheto
> somoy-er shonge bodle jaabeyi. Jara prothom DB-er against-e kotha
> bolten tara "Rabibabu-r gaan" peten na onar kachh theke.
Chaitali tumi to Shantiniketan-e poDechhen amon onekke cheno. Aami khub
chhotobela-y poDechhilam. Okhane poDa-r shomoy akta jinish-i khub beshi
matra-y oituku shomoy-r modhye peyechhilam. Sheta holo gola khule gaan
kora-r abhaowa/aamej, ichchhe o prerona. Jokhon tokhon, jekhane khushi -
'to burst into song' :) - er encouragement petaam aamra shobdik diye-i.
Kokhon-o mon-e porena je amaader tokhon bola hoyechhe "aei, ki
gayichhish? Thhik kore ga!" Por-e, maane amaar classmate-ra boDo hoye
hoyto edik-ta dekhechhe. Akhon-o to tai hoy shunchhi. Tomar ki mon-e hoy
je ja akshomoy chhilo "Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhon-kar
Rabindrasangeet-er tofaat-ta shudhu-i 'dinkal bodle jachchhe' - ei
karon-e?
Kintu
> tumi ba ami ki even amader mayeder generation onar gayaki aar
> particularly kichhu uchharon nakol korte abhyosho karon takeyi
> amra RS-er gayoki bole bhabi. Aaj notun keu eshe jodi onno kichhu
> change ane aar sheta objective angle theke sruti modhur hoye, tobe
> takei in course of time RS-er gayoki bolbe lok-e.
Tar maane bolchho je 'Rabindrik' kotha-ta-r mulyayon koren sheykaal-er
(shey je kaal-er-i hok) 'Rabindrik-erai'? Tahole to RT'r apprehensions
were legitimate! Akta deshe...jekhane, traditionally, kono Arts-ei
composers, painters, writers, ba sculptors tNaader individual due credit
(poshchimi protha-y ... eta bhalo ki kharap e bola-r jogyota amaar nei)
peye ashen ni. Shei deshe jodi akjon composer eshe bolen, "hNya...amaar
gaan thakbe amaar-i gaan...matra rekhe odol-bodol chhaDa bishesh kichhu
bodlate dite amaar apotti..." Sheta ki khub beshi julum? E kkhetre jodi
boli je Konika-r shei purano "aami tomaar-o shonge bNedhechhi amaar
praan" aar onek por-er "dinantobela-y...shesher-o phoshol"e khub akta
tofaat aami paina, sheta ki bhul hobe?
Aar je gaan-tate
> Asha aar DB'r tulona korle sheta-te bhalo kore bhebe dakho "expression
> of the emotion" jaake tumi "bhaab" bolchho, amra je bhabe shunte
> chayi ba shunte abhostho, shetatei baaDo tofat. Tobe etayo thik je
> tumi amon akta gaan bechechho jate DB ashadharon aar Asha besh
> anektayi jhuliyechhen.
Manlaam. Tahole bolo aarekta gaan, oi record-ei. Amaar besh bhalo
legechhilo. "Shohe na Jatona". (Jodi-o sheta-te Asha besh koyekbaar
"jatona" ke "jotona" bolechhilen. Dhoro DB-o to majhe majhe "m-o" ke
kirokom jyano ektu "m-o"-ddyok bhaabe uchharon korten.) Ba "Esho
Shyamol-o Shundor-o". Asha kintu e gaan-duti besh "dorod" diye-i
geyechhilen. Enough for some people to sit up and take notice. Noy ki?
Kintu tahole "Rabindrik Gayoki"r ki holo?
Aarekta comparison dichchi. Marte esho na jyano ebaar! :)
Akdik-e Ritu Guho ar akdik-e Subinoy Ray-er gola-y "Eki Labonye Purno
Praan-o Pranesh-o He-y". Tomar ki mon-e hoy? Kar gayoki-ta Rabindrik?
> Chaitali
Indrani.
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
In article <4vnqce$1...@hermes.louisville.edu>,
chai...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Chaitali Basu) wrote:
>
> sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu wrote:
> : ta uni ki chondo, sur eiyshob dekhe gaan korechen
> : na ja khushi?
> Ta noye. Amar jatodur sur ba chonder gyan tate ogulo thik achhe
> boleyi mone hoyechhe, kintu Suman nijer galata kamon akta
> bhashiye geyechhen. Ashole bola uchit chilo je ektu halka
> legechhe. Tobe eta shompurno amar mone haowa. Keu e niye
> challenge janale kichhu korar neyi.
Sagar sen ke light mone hoe ki apnaar?
Eiy byaperey kichudin agey down-under theke Shubra babu
kichu likhechilen kintu amaar reply diye otha hoeni |
Uni bolechilen je Sumon naaki mechanical, thik onekta
Sagar sen er moto? Amar mote
niyom mene egulei to mechanical hobe aar na egule
mechanical hobena | Sekhetre obyashyo ganer bodole
natok korchen bole loke galagal dite paare| Taachara amar
sagar sen ke heavvy mone hoeche, sumon er rabindra Sangeet
shunini..
Amar assumption hocche je uporukto sobai swara lipi
dhorei gaan kore|
> : > gayichhen. RS niye besh ektu hoyichoyi hochhe akhon dekhlum.
> :
> : keno, tate apnaar khub dukho hocche naaki?
> Dukho??? - amar ? Akdomoi na. Ami RS-er darun bhakto. Ta niye
> hoyichoyi choto theke konodini khoob beshi hote dekhini tai
> uktita kora.
Etar karon ki mone hoey apnaar? Personally anyo kono
dhoroner gaan -er example dile amar mone hoey je
for example "jibonmukhi gaan" holo ekti somosamyik
Somajer alochona, kichudin porei ube jaabe, kintu
RS-er sangeet ta onek din thakbe|
Rs-er gaan amar personally sob somai shunte icche korena,
tobe ota thik puraton -o hoena amaar kaache| Unfortunately,
Sumon/Nachiketa ke niye eiy problem hoey amaar| kichu din pore
aar casette ta shunte icche kore na..
> : Kumar shanu'r gaan niyeo ektu hoey choi koraa uchit|
> Oke niye to jothesto hoyichoyi hoyechhe o hochhe. Zee TV-te
> ki apurbo shob interview dichhe tar khNoj rakhen?
> Chaitali
>
Last year deshe giye dekhi amaar masttuto bhai amai bollo je ora
besh deshe boshe Americar TV program (e.g. Donahue) + Zee
Star sob dekhthe paache aar amra America boshe kichu paachina..
Tobe Zee TV to bodhai ekhane aashbe? Apni TV asia try kore
dekhte paaren..Satellite Disc laagbe|
Kumar Shanur latest hit gaan ta ki jeno?
"Akhashay akhshay,my name is Akshay??..........."
naki,
"jab tak duniy ame muhabaat rahega?......."
Dadu
Aami ektu koutuholi holam ei aalochona-i, jodi-o jaaner b}akoron aamar
khub beshi jaana nei.
> Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> Chaitali Basu wrote:
>
> > Beshir bhaag somoy ektu narom kore gayile-I lok-e bole "bah...tomar
> > to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
>
> Thhik bujhlam na. "Norom" maane ki bolte chaichho? "Mohor-mashi" ba
> Banani Ghosh school of RS? "Norom" kore gaile-i erokom bole? Kintu
> tahole dhoro Suchitra Mitra-r gola-r opurbo bolishthho-ta...?
Aamar jobiner prothom gaan jeta aamar mone poDe, ta holo DB-r "tumi robe
niirobe". Goto bochhor aamar kichhu Robindro boddha bondhu-der
(kolkata-r) gaan sonachchhilum, a comparison of BD with Leonard Cohen
(For hifi buffs; HW: vinyl on Audiophile 505-4; Sony 1000NESD; B&W 802
Series II). Given the poor quality of recording (Hindusthan pray 16
bochhor ekta Grundig 4-channel spool tape b}abohar kore esechhe)and DB's
asthma, ekta jinish khub prokot- DB-r golai 'sur' bostu-ti onek kom!
Aamar aaro-o mone poDe, aamar sob theke priyo R-sangeet sunechhi amar ek
class mate-er theke, completely taalim chhaDa.
Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
theke upojukto; ja sudhu dorod diye utre jaai.
Manna Day, Kishore kumar Aasha Bhonsle etyadi Rabindra sangeet
geyechhen, kintu karur tai jome ni, taar prothom karon holo, khub beshi
reoaji gola, aar ditwioto: chtulota- jaa eke baarei R-sanggeet-e manai
na. Nahole, Subinoy Roy(ebong Shanti deb) -er moto okhadyo gayok aami
khub kom sunechhi- kintu R-sangeet geye utre gelen!
(By the way Konika Mukherjee-d songe aapnar atmiyota aachhe naki? aamar
songe ektu aalap koriye deben?)
del...
> Amaar proshno (songshoy-o bolte paaro) shekhane-i. "Rabindrasangeet-er
> gola" e kotha-ta aami personally onekbaar shunechhi. Er maane kintu noy
> je jaake bola hochchhe shey bhalo Rabindrasangeet gay. Kisher (techniques
> na bhaab ba dorod? Naki onno kichhu ja shompurno bhaabe unlearnable?)
> adhikkyo thakle ei kotha-ta byabohaar hoy? Aar eta ki akta dayshara
> gochher compliment? Na, does it really mean something?
>
> Ta jodi hoye tobe sheto
> > somoy-er shonge bodle jaabeyi. Jara prothom DB-er against-e kotha
> > bolten tara "Rabibabu-r gaan" peten na onar kachh theke.
In fact, Rabibabu-r gaan jonopriyo korar mule-i kintu DB (ekhon kar
beshir bhaag hotta kottara tNar kaachhe kritogyo thakben, jodio swikar
koren na keu-i). E-o bodh hoi, aamar conjecture support kore!
> ..del ........ Sheta holo gola khule gaan
> kora-r abhaowa/aamej, ichchhe o prerona. Jokhon tokhon, jekhane khushi -
E-o bodh hoi, aamar conjecture-kei support kore!
......... Tomar ki mon-e hoy
> je ja akshomoy chhilo "Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhon-kar
> Rabindrasangeet-er tofaat-ta shudhu-i 'dinkal bodle jachchhe' - ei
> karon-e?
ei tofat -ta besh kichhu kaal pore shuru hoechhe.
................... Aaj notun keu eshe jodi onno kichhu
> > change ane aar sheta objective angle theke sruti modhur hoye, tobe
> > takei in course of time RS-er gayoki bolbe lok-e.
Khub sombhob noi. Eta khanikta vested interest-er opor-o nirvor korchhe.
Ekhon jeta hochchhe, Bangla desh-e gaaner durbhikkho cholechhe. Goto
Trish bochhore notun porikkha nirikkha khub-i kom hoechhe- jate even
jNaara otyonto kodorjyo "jibon mukhi" gaan gan, tNaara-o besh khanikta
jaiga kore niechhen, RS to bNeche thakbei! Ebong jerokom bhabe bangla
desher meyera gaan sekhar jonyo ebong record korar jonyo ythe poDe
legechhe, ebong (oi aamar conjecture: ektu besur aar kom taalim-e RS
khole bhalo) tate, RS er ekta b}aboshyaik dik o to aachhe!
>
> Akdik-e Ritu Guho ar akdik-e Subinoy Ray-er gola-y "Eki Labonye Purno
> Praan-o Pranesh-o He-y". Tomar ki mon-e hoy? Kar gayoki-ta Rabindrik?
Nehaat daye na poDle keu Subinot Roy shone bole aamar sondeho aachhe.
About Raamdashi Malhar: Aami Malhar-er koekta variation sunechhi (ko'ta
Malhar er theke besh dure-o)- Sur(saashi)Malhar, Megh Malhar, GauD
Malhar, Mishra- Malhar, aar- MiaN ki - kintu Ramdashi Malhar ekhono-o
sunini-
Kaal raate aami koutuholi hoe Kishori Amonkar er Megh Malhar
shunchhilum; mone holo, Patiala ba Gwalior Ghorana-r lokeder ektu norom
kore gaoar swabhab aachhe. Tate, kono mohila gaile- onekta Konika
(Mohor-di ba, Gourobe, Mashi)-er moton shonate-o paare.
Eta sompurno-i aamar nijer motamot-
Samir Bhattacharya
Indrani-debi likhechhen:
...
>Rabindranath nije ei niye ak shomoy prochur bhebechhen o akbaar Roman
>Rolland-r shaathe ekti kothpokothon-e e shombondhe onar kichhu
>"apprehensions" prokash korechhilen. Tar khanikta niche tule dilaam:
> In India we have the other extreme. The singer often
> takes too much liberty with the music. In pictures and
> in literature the outward form is fixed, but music
> requires for its interpretation the human voice; even
> in instrumental music you have the human hand which is
> very flexible. The singer must therefore be a true artist
> and not merely an artisan. In India the composer has to
> depend a great deal on the singer to make the music complete
> by his rendering, but unfortunately the singer often
> overshadows the composer by his own variations.
Er theke mone hochhe, katha o sur (swaralipi) chhaDao RT nije bishesh
akta byaktigoto gayoki (style, Dhong) obyahoto rakhte cheyechhilen. Ei
gayoki-ke tahole 'RT-gharana'r bisheshotwo bola jete pare. Akta
gharana'r bilupti khub-i du:kher karon hote pare - Bishwabharati
bodhoy oi jonyei chintito?
Rabindra Sangeeter rathi, maharathinider gan shekhar itihas ghNatle
chena jabe ei gharana'r pradhan exponent kara -- ebong tNara shobai
RT-dwara directly influenced hoyechhilen kina.
Gharana shobdo-tar byabohar ki Thik hochhe? Ato RS ki akta gharana-tei
seemaboddho kora jabe? Naki bibhinno gharana already hoye achhe
(Subinoy school, Shantideb school,..)?
Amar byektigoto dharona formal certification ityadi diye
Bishwabharoti'r RS'er gayokir 'authenticity' rakhar cheshta nirorthok.
Bishwabharati'r school of music chaile adi-RT-gharana'r bahok hishebe
nijeke goDe nite pare.Kintu adi-RT-gharana'r exponent kNara?
>Ei "unfortunately" shobdo-ti byabohar-e hoyto aaro onek "composers"
>protibaad korben. Tobe, e-o hoyto bola jete paare je akshomoy ja chhilo
>"Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhonkar "Rabindrasangeet"-er akaash-patal
>tofaat. Ebong ei tofaat-ta din din baaDchhe boi komchhe na. RS-er
>techniques... dhorun Sworolipi, diction ityaadi...baad dile ja
>thaake...shilpi-r kontthe-r shabhabik shoundorjyo (jaake aamra onek
>kkhetre boli bhogobaan-dotto), dorod, tal-loy-r sushom-o
>byabohaar...ityadi mil-e je "gayoki" toiri hoy taar uniqueness
>shombondhye, amaar mon-e ontoto, kono songshoy nei.
Tahole Veena Sahasrabuddher Ramdasi Malhar-e Rabindrik gayoki paowata
sombhob noy bolchhen? Oboshyo jekhane amar RS-er katha mone poDchhilo
shekhane 'dorodi' kathata achhe :)
>Ei karon-ei aami Debobroto Bishwash ebong Asha Bhonsle-r proshongo
>tulechhilam. Dujon-ei bharot-er songeet-jogot-er onyotom-o shilpi.
>Dujon-er-i RS gayoki ebong gaan niye bohu baag-bitonda-r srishti
>hoyechhe. Dujon-ei, geyechhen "BoDo asha kore eshechhi go kaachhe deke
>lo-w." RS gayoki-r kotha chheDe-i din. Kaar gaowa oi gaan-ti apnar
>kaachhe beshi shruti-modhur?
Onekdin shunini, kintu amar DB'r gan koyekta chhaDa, kokhono khub
bhalo lagto na. Ar Asha'r RS ektao shunini :)
Shubhechha,
-Samir
>Shubhechhante,
>Indrani.
Chaitali Basu
Indrani DasGupta (id2...@american.edu) wrote:
: Chaitali Basu wrote:
:
: > Beshir bhaag somoy ektu narom kore gayile-I lok-e bole "bah...tomar
: > to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
:
: Thhik bujhlam na. "Norom" maane ki bolte chaichho? "Mohor-mashi" ba
: Banani Ghosh school of RS? "Norom" kore gaile-i erokom bole? Kintu
: tahole dhoro Suchitra Mitra-r gola-r opurbo bolishthho-ta...?
Ashole amar baktobyo chilo oi "bah...tomar to besh Rabindrasangeet-er
gola!" kothata-te tato gurotyo neyi boleyi amar dharona. Akta gola
jeta kono kichhur jonnoi toiri hoyeni tate jodi motamuti shur thake
taholeyi loke okotha bole. Kichhu bachha achhe jara khoob chNechiye
gaye. Tader khetre lok-e e kothata bole na. Kintu beshir bhaag-i
ektu adho shore mishti kore gaye. Tader khetre casually ei kothata
bola hoye.
: Kintu "gayoki" bolte ki proper
: > "meeD"-er byabohar. TachaDa proper follow of swarolipi ba uchharon
: > bhalo (mon-e achhe DB'r uchharon niye amader kotha?) kimba even
: > balanced use of bhaab ba emotion bolchho?
:
: Amaar proshno (songshoy-o bolte paaro) shekhane-i. "Rabindrasangeet-er
: gola" e kotha-ta aami personally onekbaar shunechhi. Er maane kintu noy
: je jaake bola hochchhe shey bhalo Rabindrasangeet gay. Kisher (techniques
: na bhaab ba dorod? Naki onno kichhu ja shompurno bhaabe unlearnable?)
: adhikkyo thakle ei kotha-ta byabohaar hoy? Aar eta ki akta dayshara
: gochher compliment? Na, does it really mean something?
Shob somoy-I je dayeshara gocher compliment hoye ta noye. Kintu mostly
tai. Akta toiri golake RS-er gola noye bolata anek easy. Amar bhai-er
ak bandhobi achhe je apurbo gaye kintu mainly Dijendra geeti, bhajon ba
Atulprasad. Kakhono kakhono Najrul-O gaye. Khoob toiri gola. Protiti
swar kete boshaye kintu RS or golaye ami konodin bhalo shunini. RS-e
jeta khoob important sheta holo apart from proti swar uchharon, anek somoy
duto ba taro beshi swar akshonge chNuye jete hoye. Maane amon bhabe
swar golaye lagabe je shobgulori effect thake tate. Onno jegulo mention
korlum opore shegulo-te anek sharp uccharon holeyo chole aar infact
kakhono kakhono haowa essential. Kintu RS-e mostly ota rashobhango kore.
TachaDa bhaab-er byaparta to achheyi. Amar dharona kon line-ta
important ba shobcheye arthobahi oi gaan-e sheta identify kore
tar charpashe gaan-ta gochanor akta byapar achhe RS-e, while
onno formgulo-te anek beshi mul suur ba je raag-e gaan-ta taar
charpashe gaanta gayite laage.
: Ta jodi hoye tobe sheto
: > somoy-er shonge bodle jaabeyi. Jara prothom DB-er against-e kotha
: > bolten tara "Rabibabu-r gaan" peten na onar kachh theke.
:
: Chaitali tumi to Shantiniketan-e poDechhen amon onekke cheno. Aami khub
: chhotobela-y poDechhilam. Okhane poDa-r shomoy akta jinish-i khub beshi
: matra-y oituku shomoy-r modhye peyechhilam. Sheta holo gola khule gaan
: kora-r abhaowa/aamej, ichchhe o prerona. Jokhon tokhon, jekhane khushi -
: 'to burst into song' :) - er encouragement petaam aamra shobdik diye-i.
Eta to bhai shob form of arts-ei thaka uchit. Appreciation ba
sponataneity aage. Critical analysis pore. Tobe e niye ei scb-te
bohulok onno mot poshon koren. Ami tai aar kichhu bolchhi na.
: Kokhon-o mon-e porena je amaader tokhon bola hoyechhe "aei, ki
: gayichhish? Thhik kore ga!" Por-e, maane amaar classmate-ra boDo hoye
: hoyto edik-ta dekhechhe. Akhon-o to tai hoy shunchhi. Tomar ki mon-e hoy
: je ja akshomoy chhilo "Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhon-kar
: Rabindrasangeet-er tofaat-ta shudhu-i 'dinkal bodle jachchhe' - ei
: karon-e?
"dinkal bodle jachchhe" kothata kintu anek beshi gurutyopurno -
maane much more than the casualness with which it is said. Amader
chinta dhara bodlanor shonge amader 'bhaab' ba 'abeg' prokash
korar dharon-ta bodlachhe. Tai gayoki-O bodlabe ete ashchorjo ki?
: Kintu
: > tumi ba ami ki even amader mayeder generation onar gayaki aar
: > particularly kichhu uchharon nakol korte abhyosho karon takeyi
: > amra RS-er gayoki bole bhabi. Aaj notun keu eshe jodi onno kichhu
: > change ane aar sheta objective angle theke sruti modhur hoye, tobe
: > takei in course of time RS-er gayoki bolbe lok-e.
:
: Tar maane bolchho je 'Rabindrik' kotha-ta-r mulyayon koren sheykaal-er
: (shey je kaal-er-i hok) 'Rabindrik-erai'?
'Rabindrik-erai' bolte tumi kake bolchho? Jara shunchhe tarai thik
korbe ba kore.
Tahole to RT'r apprehensions
: were legitimate! Akta deshe...jekhane, traditionally, kono Arts-ei
: composers, painters, writers, ba sculptors tNaader individual due credit
: (poshchimi protha-y ... eta bhalo ki kharap e bola-r jogyota amaar nei)
: peye ashen ni. Shei deshe jodi akjon composer eshe bolen, "hNya...amaar
: gaan thakbe amaar-i gaan...matra rekhe odol-bodol chhaDa bishesh kichhu
: bodlate dite amaar apotti..." Sheta ki khub beshi julum?
Julum kina janina tobe 'unrealistic' IMO. Ami akta kotha bolbo tate
ami nishchoi chayibo tumi bojho amake kintu ami jebhaba chayibo
tumi thik shei bhabeyi bujhbe eta expect kora amar kachhe orthoheen.
Jader shonge closely interact kori taderi jekhane shob expression
ba emotion ami bujhi na, shekhane ami ki kore claim korbo apamor
janota (RS-er respect-e amar asha apamor janota shunbe, ichhe hole
hNasho) amar kotha amar moto kore bujhbe? Ete amar mote art-er
content baaDe boyi kome na.
E kkhetre jodi
: boli je Konika-r shei purano "aami tomaar-o shonge bNedhechhi amaar
: praan" aar onek por-er "dinantobela-y...shesher-o phoshol"e khub akta
: tofaat aami paina, sheta ki bhul hobe?
Akta manusher gayoki-te over 20-30 bachorer modhye change nayi
pete paro. Kintu Pankaj Mallik aar Debabrata Biswas-e tofat paowna?
Dutoi bhalo lagte pare. That's a different issue. Kintu tofat dekhte
paowna bolbe ki?
: Aar je gaan-tate
: > Asha aar DB'r tulona korle sheta-te bhalo kore bhebe dakho "expression
: > of the emotion" jaake tumi "bhaab" bolchho, amra je bhabe shunte
: > chayi ba shunte abhostho, shetatei baaDo tofat. Tobe etayo thik je
: > tumi amon akta gaan bechechho jate DB ashadharon aar Asha besh
: > anektayi jhuliyechhen.
:
: Manlaam. Tahole bolo aarekta gaan, oi record-ei. Amaar besh bhalo
: legechhilo. "Shohe na Jatona". (Jodi-o sheta-te Asha besh koyekbaar
: "jatona" ke "jotona" bolechhilen. Dhoro DB-o to majhe majhe "m-o" ke
: kirokom jyano ektu "m-o"-ddyok bhaabe uchharon korten.) Ba "Esho
: Shyamol-o Shundor-o". Asha kintu e gaan-duti besh "dorod" diye-i
: geyechhilen. Enough for some people to sit up and take notice. Noy ki?
: Kintu tahole "Rabindrik Gayoki"r ki holo?
Dakho 'emotion' prokashe bhashata khoob joruri. Asha-r oi casseette-e
amar or uchharon akdom bhalo lageni. EchaDayo amar dharona gaan-er
maane Asha na bujheyi geyechen. Eta kintu shudhu RS noye. Jekono
gaan-ei maane na bujhe aar maane bujhe gaowar akta birat tofat
hoye jaye. Tai DB aar Asha'r tulonata barong baad diyi amra.
: Aarekta comparison dichchi. Marte esho na jyano ebaar! :)
:
: Akdik-e Ritu Guho ar akdik-e Subinoy Ray-er gola-y "Eki Labonye Purno
: Praan-o Pranesh-o He-y". Tomar ki mon-e hoy? Kar gayoki-ta Rabindrik?
Amar dutoyi bhalo laage at different moods. In fact amar dubachor
aage je gaan-ta jar golaye bhalo lagto akhon sheta tato bhalo nayo
lagte paare. Ei dynamism amar mood ba situation-er. Eke ami gayok/
gayikar Rabindrik/arabindrik gayoki bhabi na.
: Indrani.
Chaitali
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
In article <321B55...@american.edu> <4vfn2u$1...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> <321CBA...@american.edu> <4vih04$9...@newsb.netnews.att.com> <321F48...@american.edu>,
Indrani DasGupta <id2...@american.edu> wrote:
>
> Samir-babu likhechhilen:
> >
> > Indrani-debi likhechhen:
> > ...
> > >There's got to be a uniformity in the 'Gayoki' of Rabindrasangeet. I
> >
> > Oporer line-tar mane ki ektu bujhiye deben, gayoki diye shuru kore?
> > Somproti, Veena Sahasrabuddhe'r Ramdasi Malhar-er akta cassette shunte
> > shunte mone holo besh koyek-ta 'phrase'-e jano Rabindrik "gayoki'r"
> > chhNowach aachhe. E-rokom mone howata ki, by definition, bhul?
> >
> > Shubhechha,
> >
> > -Samir
> Prothhom-ei boli...aami oi cassette-ti ba onar kichhu-i shunini. Oi
> cassette-e uni ja geyechhen taate Rabindrik "gayoki"r chNowach thaaka
> bhul kano? Apnar proshno-ta thhik bujhlaam na.
> "Rabindrik Gayoki" bolte aami ja bujhi ta holo, arguably, "ddhong". Ete
> hoyto onek-ei protibaad korben. Jodi kaar-o kaachhe better definition
> thaake, please feel free.
Setar songeanyo gayokir taphat ta ki? Ami bhalo bujhina
kintu uni swarlipi chara kichu aar restriction rekhe
gechen ki?
> Byaktigoto bhaabe e kotha-ti niye amaar mon-e jotheshto songshoy aachhe.
> Jyamon dhorun ekti meye Rabindrasangeet gailo. Kono bishesh training nei
> taar. Lok-e shune-i bollo, "bah...tomar to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
> Er maane ki taar "gayoki" holo Rabindrik? Amaar mon-e hoy na.
Rabindrasangeet-er golaa aar bhalo ganer golar modhye
tophat kothai setaa kichui bujhchi na?
> Rabindranath nije ei niye ak shomoy prochur bhebechhen o akbaar Roman
> Rolland-r shaathe ekti kothpokothon-e e shombondhe onar kichhu
> "apprehensions" prokash korechhilen. Tar khanikta niche tule dilaam:
> In India we have the other extreme. The singer often
> takes too much liberty with the music. In pictures and
> in literature the outward form is fixed, but music
> requires for its interpretation the human voice; even
> in instrumental music you have the human hand which is
> very flexible. The singer must therefore be a true artist
> and not merely an artisan. In India the composer has to
> depend a great deal on the singer to make the music complete
> by his rendering, but unfortunately the singer often
> overshadows the composer by his own variations.
Taar maney eiy variation ta rabindrik ganer khetre
kharap aar anyo ganer khetre bhalo? Jemon kishore
-er gaan?
> Ei "unfortunately" shobdo-ti byabohar-e hoyto aaro onek "composers"
> protibaad korben. Tobe, e-o hoyto bola jete paare je akshomoy ja chhilo
> "Rabibabu-r gaan" ta aar akhonkar "Rabindrasangeet"-er akaash-patal
> tofaat. Ebong ei tofaat-ta din din baaDchhe boi komchhe na. RS-er
> techniques... dhorun Sworolipi, diction ityaadi...baad dile ja
Diction jinish ta exactly ki? Golaar frequency
barano komano? eiy sambondhey Rabibabu kichu
bole giyechilen ki?
> thaake...shilpi-r kontthe-r shabhabik shoundorjyo (jaake aamra onek
> kkhetre boli bhogobaan-dotto), dorod, tal-loy-r sushom-o
dorod mane ki emotion? Sambit amai kichudin age bolechilo
je ganer modhye kono emotion ba sentiment nei |
(o kothai geche?)
> byabohaar...ityadi mil-e je "gayoki" toiri hoy taar uniqueness
> shombondhye, amaar mon-e ontoto, kono songshoy nei.
> Ei karon-ei aami Debobroto Bishwash ebong Asha Bhonsle-r proshongo
> tulechhilam. Dujon-ei bharot-er songeet-jogot-er onyotom-o shilpi.
> Dujon-er-i RS gayoki ebong gaan niye bohu baag-bitonda-r srishti
> hoyechhe. Dujon-ei, geyechhen "BoDo asha kore eshechhi go kaachhe deke
> lo-w." RS gayoki-r kotha chheDe-i din. Kaar gaowa oi gaan-ti apnar
> kaachhe beshi shruti-modhur?
aha, onekei to Debobroto ke natok korchen bole bokaboki kore |
> Shubhechhante,
> Indrani.
mp...@pcss.maps.susx.ac.uk
In article <4vnqce$1...@hermes.louisville.edu> <8410768...@dejanews.com>,
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu wrote:
> Rs-er gaan amar personally sob somai shunte icche korena,
> tobe ota thik puraton -o hoena amaar kaache| Unfortunately,
> Sumon/Nachiketa ke niye eiy problem hoey amaar| kichu din pore
> aar casette ta shunte icche kore na..
Suman ar Nachiketa-ke ekshonge boshiye dilen?
e jeno sei rakom holo `aaj sondhyay Rabibabu ebong Haridas Pal
duti gaan gaiben' | :-)
(jodi keu e theke mone koren je ami Sumaner gaanke rabindrasangeeter
shonge ekashone bosachchhi, to ami taa~ke ramchhagol bolbo | :-) )
Amitabha
sayan bhattacharyya
>(jodi keu e theke mone koren je ami Sumaner gaanke rabindrasangeeter
>shonge ekashone bosachchhi, to ami taa~ke ramchhagol bolbo | :-) )
I will go out on a limb and say this : I believe that the emergence of
Suman Chattopadhyay in Bengal is no less a watershed event than the
emergence of Rabindranath Tagore was in the early years of this century.
After many, many barren years, a giant has finally appeared in Bengali
music.
A comparison of Suman's music wih Tagore's is of course senseless, because they
were trying to accomplish very different things with their music. But I
predict that the future will record that in terms of importance and musical
importance and innovation, Suman Chattopadhyay is the most significant
thing to have happened to the Bengali song ever since Rabindranath.
Now hang, draw and quarter me if you like, for saying this :-)
Chaitali Basu
Dadu (Da...@Finland.fi) wrote:
: Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
: theke upojukto; ja sudhu dorod diye utre jaai.
:
: Manna Day, Kishore kumar Aasha Bhonsle etyadi Rabindra sangeet
: geyechhen, kintu karur tai jome ni, taar prothom karon holo, khub beshi
: reoaji gola, aar ditwioto: chtulota- jaa eke baarei R-sanggeet-e manai
: na.
Apni amon lok dekhechhen, je "Shokhi aNdhare akela", "Tori amar hothath
dube jaye", "Megher pore megh jomechhe" ba ei dharoner kichhu RS talim
chaDa golaye bhalo gaye? Ami to just swaralipi follow korte parbe amono
atalim prapto lok khoob beshi dekhini. Aar Kishor Kumar-er gola apnar
mote Konika'r theke beshi reoaji? Kimba dharun Manna Dey'r gola ki
Hemanta'r theke beshi chotul?
: In fact, Rabibabu-r gaan jonopriyo korar mule-i kintu DB (ekhon kar
: beshir bhaag hotta kottara tNar kaachhe kritogyo thakben, jodio swikar
: koren na keu-i). E-o bodh hoi, aamar conjecture support kore!
Shudhu DB kano? Pankaj Mallik non? Hemanta non?
: Nehaat daye na poDle keu Subinot Roy shone bole aamar sondeho aachhe.
Subinoy Roy-er golaye "Je dhrubo pado diyechho ani" shunechhen?
Chaitali
Chaitali Basu
Chaitali Basu (c0ba...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu) wrote:
: Subinoy Roy-er golaye "Je dhrubo pado diyechho ani" shunechhen?
Sorry. Ota "Je dhrubo pado diyechho bNadhi" hobe.
Chaitali
Chaitali Basu
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu wrote:
: To apnaar ki light Rabindra Sangeet bhalo lagena?
Dekhun RS-ke light bolini. Golata halka kore bhashiye gaowa bolte
bujhiyechilum jaake Indrani bolechhe gola khule gaowa taar
biporit. Sheta RS kano, kono gaan-eyi gola chepe gayile
amar bhalo laage na. Aar Suman-er jekhane ato bolishto akta
gola achhe shekhane tNar kachhe aroyi expect korini ota.
: Sagar sen ke light mone hoe ki apnaar?
Amar laage na, in general. Tobe kichhu gaan-e to nishchoi
ektu flat gaowar tendency achhe onar.
Amar mote
: niyom mene egulei to mechanical hobe aar na egule
: mechanical hobena | Sekhetre obyashyo ganer bodole
: natok korchen bole loke galagal dite paare|
DB ki natok koren? Kono kono gaan-e Suchitra-o kintu over
expressive. Jamon 'Chintrangada ami rajendranandini'. Take
apni natuke bolben?
Taachara amar
: sagar sen ke heavvy mone hoeche, sumon er rabindra Sangeet
: shunini..
Sagar Sen-er golaye amar antoto "Amar jodi bela jaye go bohe" gaan-ta
DB-r theke anek beshi bhalo laage (Amitabha'r jonno top:-))
Suman-er prothom cassette amar besh bhalo legechilo aar stage-e
ja shunechhi tao bhalo legechilo. Kintu ditiwo cassette 'tamon'
bhalo lageni.
: Etar karon ki mone hoey apnaar? Personally anyo kono
: dhoroner gaan -er example dile amar mone hoey je
: for example "jibonmukhi gaan" holo ekti somosamyik
: Somajer alochona, kichudin porei ube jaabe, kintu
: RS-er sangeet ta onek din thakbe|
Thik kotha. RS okhaneyi jeete jaye. Almost shomosto feelings
express korar jonno RT amader bhasha jugiyechen. Ota anek
beshi manusher bhetorer anubhuti. Bayirer poristhiti poribortoner
shonge ota drastically tamon change kore na. Tobe Suman-er
"Tomake chayi" gaan-ta kintu ashadharon - jai bolun.
: Kumar Shanur latest hit gaan ta ki jeno?
: "Akhashay akhshay,my name is Akshay??..........."
: naki,
: "jab tak duniy ame muhabaat rahega?......."
Ami here gechhi. Apni amar cheye anek well informed.:-)
Chaitali
sayan bhattacharyya
Chaitali Basu <c0ba...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> wrote:
>: Etar karon ki mone hoey apnaar? Personally anyo kono
>: dhoroner gaan -er example dile amar mone hoey je
>: for example "jibonmukhi gaan" holo ekti somosamyik
>: Somajer alochona, kichudin porei ube jaabe, kintu
>: RS-er sangeet ta onek din thakbe|
>Thik kotha. RS okhaneyi jeete jaye. Almost shomosto feelings
>express korar jonno RT amader bhasha jugiyechen.
Suman himself has said that "jeebonmukhee gan" is a meaningless
phrase (coined by some journalists) because "bhalo gan matrei
jeebonmukhee hote badhyo -- `jeebon-bimukhee gaan' byaparTa-i
borong odbhut".
If you listen carefully, Suman writes about timeless themes
-- themes that are in their own way as timeless as Tagore's
themes are. Yes, they are grounded in the here and the now,
but the emotions expressed are timeless.
Since a long time ago, mankind dreamed a dream. Over and over
in the course of human history, that dream keeps appearing
and reappearing in different guises, it cannot be quashed or
obliterated, it keeps popping up again and again like a
dangerous weed that simply will not die. Spartacus sei koto
bochhor aage ei swopno-Ta dekhechhilen, Sidhu-Kanhu-Birsa
jokhon loRechhilen tokhon ei swopno-Ta-i tNader Taangi-te
bhor korechhilo, Lalan Fakir aar Hason Raja-r gaane ei
swopno-Ta-i baar baar uNki mere jaay, manush-ke bhalobese
bNachar bishwase bishwasi Rabindranather premik konTHe ei
swopno-Ta-i jholse oTHe, ontoto amaar chokhe, jokhon shuni
"boRo bismoyo laage heri tomaare" ... this dream casts its
shadow across all, all of human history, the progress of this
dream is as unstoppable as the advance of the Durruti Column.
manusher itihaser birat proshosto deerghayito prekshite sumaner
gaan sei swopner shorik, seijonye-i ta ekhonkar hoye-o chirodiner,
somokaaler hoye-o mohakaler, prothitomool moheerooher moto, e-i
amaar onubhob.
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
In article <4vnqce$1...@hermes.louisville.edu> <8410768...@dejanews.com> <504r09$7...@hermes.louisville.edu>,
c0ba...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Chaitali Basu) wrote:
>
> sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu wrote:
> : To apnaar ki light Rabindra Sangeet bhalo lagena?
> Dekhun RS-ke light bolini. Golata halka kore bhashiye gaowa bolte
> bujhiyechilum jaake Indrani bolechhe gola khule gaowa taar
> biporit. Sheta RS kano, kono gaan-eyi gola chepe gayile
> amar bhalo laage na. Aar Suman-er jekhane ato bolishto akta
> gola achhe shekhane tNar kachhe aroyi expect korini ota.
Indrani boleche Shantiniketan-etey golaa khule
gaibaar sujog aache | Kintu, seirokom sujog to
Biswabharatir samne audition etey nao hote paare|
Aar Biswabharatir lokgulo hoeto chai je RS-er gaangulo
halka swor-etei gawaa hok, sumon bodhai temni
bhebchen|
> : Sagar sen ke light mone hoe ki apnaar?
> Amar laage na, in general. Tobe kichhu gaan-e to nishchoi
> ektu flat gaowar tendency achhe onar.
Eta ekdom bujhte paarini, apni ki bolte chaichen?
Flat gawaa ta baddo subjective hoey jaache|
Eiy jonnei ami bolte chechi je Swaralipi chara
baaki kichu rabindrik bhongi nei, bakita swilpir
innovation er opor(tobe ami expert noi gaaner
bishoi setaa maanchi)
> Amar mote
> : niyom mene egulei to mechanical hobe aar na egule
> : mechanical hobena | Sekhetre obyashyo ganer bodole
> : natok korchen bole loke galagal dite paare|
> DB ki natok koren? Kono kono gaan-e Suchitra-o kintu over
> expressive. Jamon 'Chintrangada ami rajendranandini'. Take
> apni natuke bolben?
>
DB ke niye loke ta boleche boiki, anyo swilpi-der
niyeo bole!! Suchitrar gaanta natuke mone hoeni amar
personally|
Taachara amar
> : sagar sen ke heavvy mone hoeche, sumon er rabindra Sangeet
> : shunini..
> Sagar Sen-er golaye amar antoto "Amar jodi bela jaye go bohe" gaan-ta
> DB-r theke anek beshi bhalo laage (Amitabha'r jonno top:-))
Amitabha ki bolben ? Amar uttor holo na!!
> Suman-er prothom cassette amar besh bhalo legechilo aar stage-e
> ja shunechhi tao bhalo legechilo. Kintu ditiwo cassette 'tamon'
> bhalo lageni.
Suman-er prothom casette ta oto janopriyo hoeni to!
> : Etar karon ki mone hoey apnaar? Personally anyo kono
> : dhoroner gaan -er example dile amar mone hoey je
> : for example "jibonmukhi gaan" holo ekti somosamyik
> : Somajer alochona, kichudin porei ube jaabe, kintu
> : RS-er sangeet ta onek din thakbe|
> Thik kotha. RS okhaneyi jeete jaye. Almost shomosto feelings
> express korar jonno RT amader bhasha jugiyechen. Ota anek
> beshi manusher bhetorer anubhuti. Bayirer poristhiti poribortoner
Eta mene niyeo arekta dwik apnaar kotha shune mone holo;
Bairer porishthi jemon rajnoitik biplob-er gaan ki
Rabindranath ekdom koren ni? aar tachara bairer porishtithi
to onek somai bhetorer onubhuti jagai | Udaharan swarup
onekei loneliness take thik moto nite paarena, kintu
onek swilpir kaache loneliness ekti solitude-etey
poriboton hoey, ebong tnader swilp-er bikaash hoey|
Bhetorer onubhuti kintu onek somai sottei RS-er gaan
etey jege othe, jetaa personally jibonmukhi gaaner
beshir bhaag casette gulo te amaar hoeni!
> shonge ota drastically tamon change kore na. Tobe Suman-er
> "Tomake chayi" gaan-ta kintu ashadharon - jai bolun.
:-) Je kajon mohilake ami chini sobaier tai mot |
Kintu prothom casetter por sei Sumon ke ki pawaa geche??
> : Kumar Shanur latest hit gaan ta ki jeno?
> : "Akhashay akhshay,my name is Akshay??..........."
> : naki,
> : "jab tak duniy ame muhabaat rahega?......."
> Ami here gechhi. Apni amar cheye anek well informed.:-)
> Chaitali
Na, Na eiy byaperta onek purono ek obhigyatar
kotha | Kolkatai recent hindi music hit gaan ke
garite korey loud speaker bajiye niye jawaar
ekta rewaaj aache aapni dekhechen? Aapni recently
oikhane gechen bole aapnai jigyesh korchilum|
Aar jehetu Kumar Sanu Bangali ebong No. 1 popular
singer,tai or khobor to raakhtei hoey, thik Sourav
Ganguly-er moto|
Dadu
Chaitali Basu wrote:
>
> Dadu (Da...@Finland.fi) wrote:
> Apni amon lok dekhechhen, je "Shokhi aNdhare akela", "Tori amar hothath
> dube jaye", "Megher pore megh jomechhe" ba ei dharoner kichhu RS talim
> chaDa golaye bhalo gaye?
Aami prothome-i bolechhi, amar gaaner sombondhe dharona holo
srutimodhurota, sworolopi (ba b}akoron) noi. In fact, the last song is
one of my most favourite RS; ebong, ei gaan ta aamar bondhu-ke khali
golae gaaite shunechhi; amar khub-i bhalo legechhe. The second one is
not my choice, whoever be the singer. The first song: I only remember
Konika, who difinitely has a very well trained voice.
> Aar Kishor Kumar-er gola apnar
> mote Konika'r theke beshi reoaji?
Hoito noi, kintu, onek beshi chotul.
> Kimba dharun Manna Dey'r gola ki
> Hemanta'r theke beshi chotul?
Aamar mote, Manna dey onek beshi chotul Hemanta-r theke. Aapni nischoi
onek gulo cinema-te ek songe Hemonto-Manna sunechhen; ekta ki
Uttomkumar-er, yes Sanyashi Raja- probably you can compare in the same
song!
> : In fact, Rabibabu-r gaan jonopriyo korar mule-i kintu DB
i.e., the transformation from robibabu-r gaan to RS-
(ekhon kar
> : beshir bhaag hotta kottara tNar kaachhe kritogyo thakben, jodio swikar
> : koren na keu-i). E-o bodh hoi, aamar conjecture support kore!
Khub kom present Biswabharati-r lok-i aachhen.
>
> Shudhu DB kano? Pankaj Mallik non? Hemanta non?
Jekaale aamra record kintaam, tokhon shop-e shunechhi, DB-r ekar sale
(RS-e) onyanno sobar total sale-er theke beshi-
>
> : Nehaat daye na poDle keu Subinot Roy shone bole aamar sondeho aachhe.
>
> Subinoy Roy-er golaye "Je dhrubo pado diyechho ani" shunechhen?
I don't like that song. Moreover, 1981-er porer recorded kono RS aami
bodh hoi sunini, tai mone poDchhe na. Aami mean korini, Subinoy Roy
baajle aami radio bondho kore debo.
For example, aami Shanti deb Ghosh-er "Krishna koli" shunte bhaloi
bashi. Kintu ta thik so called "gayaki"-r jonyo noi. I like the tempo
maintained.
Thanx
Dadu.
Sudipto Chatterjee
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
:
: Since a long time ago, mankind dreamed a dream. Over and over
: in the course of human history, that dream keeps appearing
: and reappearing in different guises, it cannot be quashed or
: obliterated, it keeps popping up again and again like a
: dangerous weed that simply will not die. Spartacus sei koto
: bochhor aage ei swopno-Ta dekhechhilen, Sidhu-Kanhu-Birsa
: jokhon loRechhilen tokhon ei swopno-Ta-i tNader Taangi-te
: bhor korechhilo, Lalan Fakir aar Hason Raja-r gaane ei
: swopno-Ta-i baar baar uNki mere jaay, manush-ke bhalobese
: bNachar bishwase bishwasi Rabindranather premik konTHe ei
: swopno-Ta-i jholse oTHe, ontoto amaar chokhe, jokhon shuni
: "boRo bismoyo laage heri tomaare" ... this dream casts its
: shadow across all, all of human history, the progress of this
: dream is as unstoppable as the advance of the Durruti Column.
:
: manusher itihaser birat proshosto deerghayito prekshite sumaner
: gaan sei swopner shorik, seijonye-i ta ekhonkar hoye-o chirodiner,
: somokaaler hoye-o mohakaler, prothitomool moheerooher moto, e-i
: amaar onubhob.
"aami Jaake bhaalobasi
taar kaahinI shonaabo
Jeman sandhye galpo shonaay
klaanta aakaashke
shonaay raatri galpo
aami Jaake bhaalobasi
taar kaahinI raater matan.
taar nayan chhaRaay shaantir gaan
Jena param aadare ghum aaschhe
Jena aakaash aapan mane bhaaschhe
chira mamataar saagar haye.
aami Jaake bhaalobaasi
se bhaalobaase shantir din
se jaane be(n)che thaakaa sambhab
Eke anyer bandhu ha'ye.
kata loke kata balchhe
sabhaa samiti-te manche
tumul tarka-bitarka
Jena kathaa diye muchhe deoaa Jaay.
ghaataker shhaRaJantra
sabhya aaNabik astra
arthahIn Jata Juddha
ei arthahIn apachay
aami Jaake bhaalobaasi
se kaa(n)de duniyaar janye
se baRa Eklaa ananya
beshi bayeser premer matan
prithibI Je niyame chalchhe
se Thik se niyame chale naa
taake sahaje bojhaa jaay naa
taar bhaabnaa anya rakam
tumi jaano kono laabh nei
akaaraN kathaa baaRiye
barang bujhe neoaa sambhab
kathaahInataay haariye
baataase tomaar sparsha
chhelebElaar mata Daakchhe
Jakhan din-gulo sahaje
khub sahajei rangIn ha'to
aami Jaake bhaalobaasi
taar galpa shonaabo
taar kahinI shonaabo
ghum ghum rUp-kathaar matan."
:Suman Chattopadhyay
Sayan bodhhay e dharaNer gaaner kathaa-i balchhile, taai naa? eke
"jibanmukhi" baa "sama-saamayik" gaan-er aaotaay dhare raakhaa Jaay ki?
:Sudipto
sayan bhattacharyya
In article <50d6k8$i...@news.nyu.edu>,
Sudipto Chatterjee <cha...@is3.nyu.edu> wrote:
>sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
>: sumaner
>: gaan sei swopner shorik, seijonye-i ta ekhonkar hoye-o chirodiner,
>: somokaaler hoye-o mohakaler, prothitomool moheerooher moto, e-i
>: amaar onubhob.
[Suman's song: "ami jaake bhalobaasi"]
>Sayan bodhhay e dharaNer gaaner kathaa-i balchhile, taai naa? eke
>"jibanmukhi" baa "sama-saamayik" gaan-er aaotaay dhare raakhaa Jaay ki?
Suman himself has said this very well. His song arises from the pressure
of the contemporary, from life's realities,
amar jeebon theke
uTHe aasaa sur,
BUT that's not all there is to it. Note the next two lines:
tomake shuniye aami
jabo bohu door;
sumon-er gaan sotyi-i bohudoor jay; sthane, ebong kale-o | ei kothaTa-i
bolchhilam jokhon bolechhilam sumon-er gaan somokaler hoe-o jugopot
mohakaler-o |
-Sayan.
Kousik Chakrabarti
Sneher Mini,
Ki re kamon achis?
Tuy amer mini.Tor hasi,hath-pa nera kothe bola ameka Rohomot
Kabliwaler moto neshachonno kore falache.Tuy jano obola sodechonchole
puchki meye.Sudhu apon khayale nachagaye barash.Je ja echa tor gaye
achor keta dia jay.Ai amer kothey dhor.Loghu koutuk korte gia tor gaye
kamon kali chitia dilem.Amon ughro moje ar k'khono korbo na kothe diche.
Ki bolli?Tuy bujachis.Tar jonyo tor kono obhiman ney.Ami ar likhbo
na bolachi bole tuy thoth fulia rag korechis.Na re-pagli-na.O dop kore
jole utha onubhuti.O dhore ki bose theka jay re?
Tobe Sambit jokhon tor sathe dekha korte asbe oke amer hoye akte
jinis dia dis.Oscar Wilde er ei uktita-
"Life is too serious to be taken seriously."
Tor to bhari bipod.Tor koto bondhu.Sudhu Sambit ke dile onnore
bake bosbe.Janis,tor moto amoro onek bondhu chilo.Somer sathe kau bodle
galo,kau chitke galo,kau haria galo.
Amer jhuli hatia dekhi tor onno bondhuder ki dite pari. Hmm..!
Payechi.Robithakurer "Sasher kobite "r say bhari sundoor kotheta.Tobe
ami kintu kotheta puropuri mani na.Tor bondhuder pokhe obosho kotheta
khub prashongik.
" Komol hirer pather tike bole bidda
Ar ter theka je alo thikre pore take bole Culture."
Tor bondhure dekhis jokhon toke upohar dey tokhon jano say alo
thikre pore.
Rajniti,Somaj-bigjyan,orthoniti etadi to roj kagoje,boyte,net a,TV
ta pore ba dekhi.Ai sobh bisoye toke ami tay kichu upoher dite chay
na.Tobe dekhis tor onno bondhure jano dey.Boychitro na thakle tor rupe
bhata porbe.Roj roj ak frock a ki tor moto futfuta maye ka manay?
Bhalo thakis.Monteka sobuj rakhis.Srijonshil sopner ar sristishil
kolponer jal sorbode bune jash.Bosonto toke du hath dia ghire thakuk.
Ami nischoy barbar fire asbo.Hoyto Rohomoter moto jhulite
akhroth,paste-badam thakbe na.Tobe thakbe bhinno bhinno sadher
upoher.K'khono asbo sudhu tor sathe korte khunsite.Kintu monpran jure
thakbe bhalobasa.Rohomot kabliwaler thekao basi.Tobe Mini to ter
kabliwaleka pore chinte para ni.Tuy amey chinte bhul korbi na to?
Jhuri jhuri ador o subhacha janis.
Eti,
Tor Kousik Kabliwala.
Sambit Basu
Kousik Chakrabarti <chak...@egr.uri.edu> writes:
>Sneher Mini,
[...]
> Tobe Sambit jokhon tor sathe dekha korte asbe oke amer hoye akte
>jinis dia dis.Oscar Wilde er ei uktita-
> "Life is too serious to be taken seriously."
[...]
> Eti,
> Tor Kousik Kabliwala.
------------------------------------------
This is pretty good Kaushikbabu. I can take
this nudge. Thanks.
Sambit
Indrani DasGupta
And I second Sayan's opinion.
Any takers? Srabani? :)
Indrani.
Srabani Banerjee
Indrani writes:
>sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>> I will go out on a limb and say this : I believe that the emergence of
>> Suman Chattopadhyay in Bengal is no less a watershed event than the
>> emergence of Rabindranath Tagore was in the early years of this century.
>> After many, many barren years, a giant has finally appeared in Bengali
>> music.
>>
>> A comparison of Suman's music wih Tagore's is of course senseless, because they
>> were trying to accomplish very different things with their music. But I
>> predict that the future will record that in terms of importance and musical
>> importance and innovation, Suman Chattopadhyay is the most significant
>> thing to have happened to the Bengali song ever since Rabindranath.
>
>And I second Sayan's opinion.
>
>Any takers? Srabani? :)
Well, you know my opinion, Indrani. I think that comparing Suman C to a
multi-faceted genius like Rabindranath is not only downright silly, but
is also unfair to Suman Chatterjee, himself.
Kalpataru-babu-r obostha dekhei decide korechhilam je ami kichhu likhbona.
Ekhon jodi keu amake teDe marte ashen, tui amake bNachabi to?
Srabani
sayan bhattacharyya
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>Well, you know my opinion, Indrani. I think that comparing Suman C to a
>multi-faceted genius like Rabindranath is not only downright silly, but
>is also unfair to Suman Chatterjee, himself.
I wasn't comparing Suman the man with Tagore the man (which I agree
is silly). I was comparing Suman's impact on the Bengali song with
Tagore's impact on the Bengali song, which is a different matter
altogether.
Btw, in today's fragmented society, multi-faceted geniuses are no longer
possible.
Khorshed Mohammad
Sudipto Chatterjee (cha...@is3.nyu.edu) wrote:
: sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: : in the course of human history, that dream keeps appearing
: : and reappearing in different guises, it cannot be quashed or
: : obliterated, it keeps popping up again and again like a
: : dangerous weed that simply will not die. Spartacus sei koto
: : bochhor aage ei swopno-Ta dekhechhilen, Sidhu-Kanhu-Birsa
: : jokhon loRechhilen tokhon ei swopno-Ta-i tNader Taangi-te
: : bhor korechhilo, Lalan Fakir aar Hason Raja-r gaane ei
: : swopno-Ta-i baar baar uNki mere jaay, manush-ke bhalobese
: : bNachar bishwase bishwasi Rabindranather premik konTHe ei
: : swopno-Ta-i jholse oTHe, ontoto amaar chokhe, jokhon shuni
: : "boRo bismoyo laage heri tomaare" ... this dream casts its
: : shadow across all, all of human history, the progress of this
: : dream is as unstoppable as the advance of the Durruti Column.
: :
: : gaan sei swopner shorik, seijonye-i ta ekhonkar hoye-o chirodiner,
: : somokaaler hoye-o mohakaler, prothitomool moheerooher moto, e-i
: : amaar onubhob.
: "aami Jaake bhaalobasi
: :Suman Chattopadhyay
: Sayan bodhhay e dharaNer gaaner kathaa-i balchhile, taai naa? eke
: "jibanmukhi" baa "sama-saamayik" gaan-er aaotaay dhare raakhaa Jaay ki?
: :Sudipto
Sudipto,
khub sundar byakshhaa tomaar. aami ei sange saamaanya kichhu jog karte
chaai. Suman abashyoi ei samoyer gaan gaaichhen, taar bhaashhaa o bhangee
Ekebaare ei samoyer. kintu taar shekoR prothita aamaader shaashwata
oitijjhe aar dubaahu baaRaano aagaameer abheemukhe. taai taar gaan-o
nishchita chiradiner gaan. tabe taar sange Rabindranath-er gaaner tulanaa
karaar samoy bodh hoy ekhono aaseni. taa(n)r bhuban anek beshi bistrita,
bodh anek gahan o gaveer aar boichitre byapak. eTaa taa(n)r saaraa
jeebaner sanchoy. aar Suman gaan likhchhen alpa ka'din. hoyto kono Ekdin
taar gaan-o temnidhaaraa sarbakaaleenataa arjan karbe, kintu seTaa niye
ekshhuni kono sheshh sidhwaanta Taanaar darkaar o sujog aachhe bale mane
hoy naa.
Alam Khorshed
Indrani DasGupta
Dadu wrote:
>
> Aami ektu koutuholi holam ei aalochona-i, jodi-o jaaner b}akoron aamar
> khub beshi jaana nei.
Dadu, apnar koutuhol oporisheem! :)
> > Indrani DasGupta wrote:
> >
> > Chaitali Basu wrote:
> >
> > > Beshir bhaag somoy ektu narom kore gayile-I lok-e bole "bah...tomar
> > > to besh Rabindrasangeet-er gola!"
> >
> > Thhik bujhlam na. "Norom" maane ki bolte chaichho? "Mohor-mashi" ba
> > Banani Ghosh school of RS? "Norom" kore gaile-i erokom bole? Kintu
> > tahole dhoro Suchitra Mitra-r gola-r opurbo bolishthho-ta...?
>
> Aamar jobiner prothom gaan jeta aamar mone poDe, ta holo DB-r "tumi robe
> niirobe". Goto bochhor aamar kichhu Robindro boddha bondhu-der
> (kolkata-r) gaan sonachchhilum, a comparison of BD with Leonard Cohen
> (For hifi buffs; HW: vinyl on Audiophile 505-4; Sony 1000NESD; B&W 802
> Series II). Given the poor quality of recording (Hindusthan pray 16
> bochhor ekta Grundig 4-channel spool tape b}abohar kore esechhe)and DB's
> asthma, ekta jinish khub prokot- DB-r golai 'sur' bostu-ti onek kom!
Amaar mot-e akdom ulto. Shanghatik hNapani niye DB jerokom loDe gyachhen,
amaar mot-e ta tulona-heen. Aar '"sur" bostu-ti' bolte aapni thhik ki
bojhate chaichhen? Modulation? Na, scale-er her-pher? Naki onnyo kichhu?
> Aamar aaro-o mone poDe, aamar sob theke priyo R-sangeet sunechhi amar ek
> class mate-er theke, completely taalim chhaDa.
Shey to aami-o prochur shunechhi. Supposedly, amaader baDi-te matro dujon
aachhen jNaara akdom shur-kana. Baad-baaki shobai "gaite paaren". Er
modhye beshir bhaag-er-i kono rokom taalim nei. Kintu dui akjon aachhen
jNaader taalim chhaDa-i amon ekti gola aachhe jeta-ke aamra boli
bhogobaan-dottwo. TNaara jokhon ak aykta RS gaan...tokhon amaar-o oi ak-i
onubhuti hoy. Kintu aami ta bole e mon-e korina je _jekono_ RS-i taalim
chhaDa gaowa jaay! Apnar taalim aachhe? Na thakle...(megher kole rod
heshechhe jaatiyo RS-er kotha bolchhina) cheshta kore dekhben apni? Try
singing "BoDo bishMoy-o laage heri tomaar-e" - khola gola-y, shworolipi
follow kore, and with the proper modulation. This is _not_ a flame, Dadu.
I am seriously interested in adequate proof for this supposition of
yours.
>
> Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
> theke upojukto;
Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
"taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
shombondhye.
>ja sudhu dorod diye utre jaai.
Generalisation. Dorod diye utrale to onek shilpi ak laaph-ei Debobroto
Biswas hoye jeten. Kano hochchhen na?
>
> Manna Day, Kishore kumar Aasha Bhonsle etyadi Rabindra sangeet
> geyechhen, kintu karur tai jome ni, taar prothom karon holo, khub beshi
> reoaji gola, aar ditwioto: chtulota- jaa eke baarei R-sanggeet-e manai
> na. Nahole, Subinoy Roy(ebong Shanti deb) -er moto okhadyo gayok aami
Ei "okhadyo" kotha-ta kano byabohar korlen ektu bolben? Byapar-ta jodi
nehaat-i subjective hoy tahole oboshyo aar kichhu bolar nei.
> (By the way Konika Mukherjee-d songe aapnar atmiyota aachhe naki? aamar
> songe ektu aalap koriye deben?)
AtMiyota nei. Kintu alaap aachhe.
> > ..del ........ Sheta holo gola khule gaan
> > kora-r abhaowa/aamej, ichchhe o prerona. Jokhon tokhon, jekhane khushi -
>
> E-o bodh hoi, aamar conjecture-kei support kore!
Thhik ki bhaabe? Bujhlaam na. Class three-er bachchha meye-der
Shantiniketan-er mathhe-ghaat-e gola khule gaowa-r prerona ki kore
support korchhe apnar "conjecture", specifically ei je, RS taalim chhaDa,
khola gola-y, dorod diye-i utre jaay...??
>
> ................... Aaj notun keu eshe jodi onno kichhu
> > > change ane aar sheta objective angle theke sruti modhur hoye, tobe
> > > takei in course of time RS-er gayoki bolbe lok-e.
>
> Khub sombhob noi. Eta khanikta vested interest-er opor-o nirvor korchhe.
> Ekhon jeta hochchhe, Bangla desh-e gaaner durbhikkho cholechhe. Goto
> Trish bochhore notun porikkha nirikkha khub-i kom hoechhe- jate even
> jNaara otyonto kodorjyo "jibon mukhi" gaan gan, tNaara-o besh khanikta
> jaiga kore niechhen, RS to bNeche thakbei! Ebong jerokom bhabe bangla
> desher meyera gaan sekhar jonyo ebong record korar jonyo ythe poDe
Shudhu "meyera"?
> legechhe, ebong (oi aamar conjecture: ektu besur aar kom taalim-e RS
> khole bhalo) tate, RS er ekta b}aboshyaik dik o to aachhe!
Shey to shob gaan-ei. RS-e borong, amaar mot-e, ei dikta ektu kom.
> > Akdik-e Ritu Guho ar akdik-e Subinoy Ray-er gola-y "Eki Labonye Purno
> > Praan-o Pranesh-o He-y". Tomar ki mon-e hoy? Kar gayoki-ta Rabindrik?
>
> Nehaat daye na poDle keu Subinot Roy shone bole aamar sondeho aachhe.
Nirbhoy-e thaakun Dadu...apnake dhor-paakor korbona! :)
Indrani.
Sharmila Mukherjee
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> Dadu wrote:
[..]
> Apnar taalim aachhe? Na thakle...(megher kole rod
> heshechhe jaatiyo RS-er kotha bolchhina) cheshta kore dekhben apni? Try
> singing "BoDo bishMoy-o laage heri tomaar-e" - khola gola-y, shworolipi
> follow kore, and with the proper modulation. This is _not_ a flame, Dadu.
> I am seriously interested in adequate proof for this supposition of
> yours.
Aei khaane aamar aykta proshno aache Indrani. Taalim-e ki paowa jai
jeta shorobitaan-e paowa jai na? Aamar mote sheta hochche gayoki. Tai
jodi hoi, tahole shorolipi follow kore `BoDo bishMoy-o laage' gaowa
jaabe na kyano? Hote paare she gayoki hoito tomar pochondo holo na,
kintu tai bole karuru-ee je hobe na aymon kono kotha aache ki?
>
> >
> > Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
> > theke upojukto;
>
> Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
> laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
> theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
> "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
> shombondhye.
Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
kotha aache Indrani?
Sharmila
--
Dept. of Biochemistry
Room 376A
Partha Banerjee
In article <50d9u2$p...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
> In article <50d6k8$i...@news.nyu.edu>,
> Sudipto Chatterjee <cha...@is3.nyu.edu> wrote:
>
> [Suman's song: "ami jaake bhalobaasi"]
>
> >Sayan bodhhay e dharaNer gaaner kathaa-i balchhile, taai naa? eke
> >"jibanmukhi" baa "sama-saamayik" gaan-er aaotaay dhare raakhaa Jaay ki?
>
> Suman himself has said this very well. His song arises from the pressure
> of the contemporary, from life's realities,
>
> amar jeebon theke
> uTHe aasaa sur,
>
> BUT that's not all there is to it. Note the next two lines:
>
> tomake shuniye aami
> jabo bohu door;
>
> sumon-er gaan sotyi-i bohudoor jay; sthane, ebong kale-o | ei kothaTa-i
> bolchhilam jokhon bolechhilam sumon-er gaan somokaler hoe-o jugopot
> mohakaler-o |
>
> -Sayan.
___________________________________
"Tomake shuniye ami jabo bohudur"
E-kothatir moddhe bodh hoy Suman-er byaktigoto ak swapno royechhe -- bodh
hoy Suman ekhane e-kaaler kotha ebong kalottirno hobar bashona prokash
korechhen. Ei line-er porer kothaguli holo:
"Phire ashbo ami tomar shubashe
Thakbo tomar buke ar ashepashe"
Tarpor Suman bolchhen,
"Amake poRle mone khNujo eikhane
Ekhane khNujchhi ami jiboner maane" |
Eikhane, orthat ei kaale, ei shomoy-e, ei potobhumite, Suman jiboner maane
khNujechhen. Suman amadero shekhanei tNake khNujte ahobhan korchhen.
TNake, orthat tNar kothake, message-ke.
Suman-er gaan jara bhalobeshechhe, tara tNar ei message-er jonnei
bhalobeshechhe. Jara ta pare ni, tara bodh hoy she-message-er moddhe
probesh kore ni. Ba, korte chay ni.
--
The above comments, etc. are my own and not necessarily my employer's.
id2...@american.edu
In article <50k7ha$3...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Srabani Banerjee) wrote:
>
> Indrani writes:
> >sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
> >> I will go out on a limb and say this : I believe that the emergence of
> >> Suman Chattopadhyay in Bengal is no less a watershed event than the
> >> emergence of Rabindranath Tagore was in the early years of this century.
> >> After many, many barren years, a giant has finally appeared in Bengali
> >> music.
> >>
> >> A comparison of Suman's music wih Tagore's is of course senseless, because they
> >> were trying to accomplish very different things with their music. But I
> >> predict that the future will record that in terms of importance and musical
> >> importance and innovation, Suman Chattopadhyay is the most significant
> >> thing to have happened to the Bengali song ever since Rabindranath.
> >
> >And I second Sayan's opinion.
> >
> >Any takers? Srabani? :)
> multi-faceted genius like Rabindranath is not only downright silly, but
> is also unfair to Suman Chatterjee, himself.
OK. These are the reasons I agree with Sayan regarding his posting.
(1) I don't think he was comparing the _talents_ (whatever they are) of RT
and SC. Rather, he was emphasizing the _effect_ their appearance and work has
had on Bengali society. IMO, Suman's work as a popular "singer-songwriter" (by
itself a role pretty new in our society) who gives voice to the needs and
frustrations of lower-middle and middle class Bengali youth _is_ significant.
We don't need to wait fifty years in order to surmise that.
(2) Let me say that I, personally, have not had the pleasure of seeing Suman
in concert. But, from what I have heard from my siblings and friends who have -
Suman, in concert, is a phenomenon. The level of intimacy and personal interaction
established therein is something that we may have lost with the demise (arguably)
of the "jatra" and the "kobi-r loDai".
> Kalpataru-babu-r obostha dekhei decide korechhilam je ami kichhu likhbona.
> Ekhon jodi keu amake teDe marte ashen, tui amake bNachabi to?
Mabhoi! Aami thakte aamar bhai-bon-der maare kar shaadhyi! :)
> Srabani
Indrani.
Indranil DasGupta
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: I will go out on a limb and say this : I believe that the emergence of
: Suman Chattopadhyay in Bengal is no less a watershed event than the
: emergence of Rabindranath Tagore was in the early years of this century.
: After many, many barren years, a giant has finally appeared in Bengali
: music.
: A comparison of Suman's music wih Tagore's is of course senseless, because they
: were trying to accomplish very different things with their music. But I
: predict that the future will record that in terms of importance and musical
: importance and innovation, Suman Chattopadhyay is the most significant
: thing to have happened to the Bengali song ever since Rabindranath.
: Now hang, draw and quarter me if you like, for saying this :-)
Dakho Sayan, Suman-er gaan ami khub beshi shunini, poDechhi (tomar
shoujonye) tar cheye dher beshi. Gola khub-i bhalo mone hoyechhe
amar. Kintu shur tamon daag kate ni mone. Lyric kichhu kichhu besh
bhaloi. Guru-chondali-r dosh nei ontoto. Kintu prochur
baje lyric-o to poDlaam. Ebong shegulo niye-i tumi beshi hoi choi
koro.
Tomar shilpo-ruchi niye ja dharona ta obyokto-i thak. Tobe
hackneyed lyric niye beshidur egono shombhob noy. Hoy kothay Bob Dylan,
Premen Mittir ba Shubhash Mukhopadhyay-er cheye ak dhap egote hobe, noy
shur-e Salil Chowdhury-r ontoto shomokokhkho hote hobe. Lyric-er jor tar
bishoy bostur upor nirbhor kore na; je kono bishoy
niye-i bolishtho, cool, shanto ba molayem shombhashon kora jay. Jhot
kore bole bosho na tumi-o tai bhabo. Karon eshob bujhle tumi bhulbhal
lekha niye nachte na.
IDG.
Kalpataru Barman
> sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
>
> : I will go out on a limb and say this : I believe that the emergence of
> : Suman Chattopadhyay in Bengal is no less a watershed event than the
> : emergence of Rabindranath Tagore was in the early years of this century.
> : After many, many barren years, a giant has finally appeared in Bengali
> : music.
>
> : A comparison of Suman's music wih Tagore's is of course senseless, because they
> : were trying to accomplish very different things with their music. But I
> : predict that the future will record that in terms of importance and musical
> : importance and innovation, Suman Chattopadhyay is the most significant
> : thing to have happened to the Bengali song ever since Rabindranath.
>
> : Now hang, draw and quarter me if you like, for saying this :-)
"......The emergence of Rabindrasangeet in the early years of this century was
no less a watershed event than the emergence of Suman Chattopadhayay in
Bengal. After many many years of "akash bhara surya tara" , a whole
galaxy has appeared at "Gariahata-r more" with "jeevan-mukhi" sangget.
A comparison of Sumon's music with Tagore's is of course senseless, because
they were trying to accomplish very different things with their music.
But future will record that in terms of everything that Rabindranath was the only
mentionable ( not that significant ) thing to have happened to the Bengali song
before Suman Chattopadhaya..........."
Er madhye --
Jader kaachhey money hoyechilo, ei "Abak prithibi"-te sattyi "Ki ananda aakaashey baatesey"
-- tara saab arbachiner dal.
Prasangata money porlo, ekbaar, Sanjib Chattopadhyay -ke Bankimchandra-er saathey
tulona korai,uni bolechhilen " Kothai Chaand, aar kothai Chaandmala ".
Ei mail er tulonamulak alochona niye no further comments ,
karon "Moritey chaahina e sundar bhubaney !".
Rajiv Shukla
>
>>sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>
>>> A comparison of Suman's music wih Tagore's is of course senseless, because they
>>> were trying to accomplish very different things with their music. But I
And what is it that Suman is trying to accomplish with his music(if that
can be called music) ?
Rajiv
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rajiv Shukla My opinions are mine.
ra...@ctt.bellcore.com I don't speak for my
Bell Communications Research employer.
Pradipta ( Chhando ) Sarkar
In article <322FDF...@fyiowa.infi.net>, Kalpataru Barman <ka...@fyiowa.infi.net> writes:
|>
|> "......The emergence of Rabindrasangeet in the early years of this century was
|> no less a watershed event than the emergence of Suman Chattopadhayay in
|> Bengal. After many many years of "akash bhara surya tara" , a whole
|> galaxy has appeared at "Gariahata-r more" with "jeevan-mukhi" sangget.
|> A comparison of Sumon's music with Tagore's is of course senseless, because
|> they were trying to accomplish very different things with their music.
|> But future will record that in terms of everything that Rabindranath was the only
|> mentionable ( not that significant ) thing to have happened to the Bengali song
|> before Suman Chattopadhaya..........."
|>
|> Er madhye --
|> Jader kaachhey money hoyechilo, ei "Abak prithibi"-te sattyi "Ki ananda aakaashey baatesey"
|> -- tara saab arbachiner dal.
|>
Good job ! Keep it up !
|>
|> Ei mail er tulonamulak alochona niye no further comments ,
|> karon "Moritey chaahina e sundar bhubaney !".
"Suman -e bodhibe je gokule baarichhe se ... "
--
Pradipta Sarkar
psa...@iastate.edu
Srabani Banerjee
Indrani writes:
[...]
>OK. These are the reasons I agree with Sayan regarding his posting.
>
>(1) I don't think he was comparing the _talents_ (whatever they are) of RT
>and SC. Rather, he was emphasizing the _effect_ their appearance and work has
>had on Bengali society. IMO, Suman's work as a popular "singer-songwriter" (by
>itself a role pretty new in our society)
Not really, Indrani. You are forgetting RT himself. You are forgetting the
entire tradition of, er..., `sub-altern' music.
>who gives voice to the needs and
>frustrations of lower-middle and middle class Bengali youth _is_ significant.
`Giving voice...' is, in itself, an important thing. But, does that
necessarily have a bearing on the `music'? By the same token, we could,
perhaps, be comparing a musician to a newspaper-man.
>We don't need to wait fifty years in order to surmise that.
Here, I am afraid, we must agree to disagree. I believe that its too early
to judge Suman's contribution to Bengali music, in comparison with that of
RT, even if such a comparison can be made.
>(2) Let me say that I, personally, have not had the pleasure of seeing Suman
>in concert. But, from what I have heard from my siblings and friends who have -
>Suman, in concert, is a phenomenon. The level of intimacy and personal interacti
>on
>established therein is something that we may have lost with the demise (arguably
>)
>of the "jatra" and the "kobi-r loDai".
Again, `intimacy and personal interaction' is not essential to music.
But, I understand what you are saying - but for each of your friend,
I'll show you one of mine who found the `phenomenon' a bit too much
to digest. :)
>> Kalpataru-babu-r obostha dekhei decide korechhilam je ami kichhu likhbona.
>> Ekhon jodi keu amake teDe marte ashen, tui amake bNachabi to?
>
>Mabhoi! Aami thakte aamar bhai-bon-der maare kar shaadhyi! :)
I will hold you to this, Indrani-didi. :)
Srabani
Sharmila Mukherjee
Chaitali Basu wrote:
>
> Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
> Gayoki chaDayo talim chaDa golaye tumi shob swar thik moto boshate parbe na.
> Ak matraye tinte swar jekhane boshate hobe she dharoner kaaj to baad-I
> dilum. Fole shudhu swaralipi follow kora kono talim chaDa khoob akta
> shahoj kaaj noye.
Chaitali, aamar jotodur dharona, Indrani bodh hoi RT-taalimer kotha
bolechilo, _je kono_ taalimer kotha boleni. At least aami to tai
bujhechi...aar eta shotti, je kono rokom taalim chaDa shorolipi follow
kora nesh mushkil. Kintu aamar boktyobbo holo je jNar classical-e taalim
aache, tini jodi shorolipi dekhe RT gaibar cheshta koren, tahole sheta
ki shruti-modhur hobe na, ba tar gayoki-ke ki tumi ki bolbe?
>
> : > Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
> : > laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
> : > theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
> : > "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
> : > shombondhye.
> :
> : Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
> : kotha aache Indrani?
>
> Beshuro hoteyi hobe amon kotha neyi kintu abhigyo srotar kaane oi
> shukhyo kaaj-er abhab dhora poDte paare.
Ekhane-o aami aager kotha bolbo, aami dhore nichchi je kono na kono
prokaar taalim aache, RT -te nao thaakte pare. Aar shukhyo kaaje-r kotha
jodi bolo, classical-taalim praapto aymon oneker gaan shonar por
shrota-der bolte shunechi je RT-te e rokom kaaj aykebaare bemanan,
othocho kaaj kintu nikhoot chilo. Eta ke to aami shei gayoki-ee bolbo,
tumi ki bolo?
>
> : Sharmila
>
> Chaitali
c0ba...@capella.physics.louisville.edu
In article <50k7ha$3...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <50kcns$6...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
> I wasn't comparing Suman the man with Tagore the man (which I agree
> is silly).
What do you mean by "the man"? Is it the composer and lyrics writer or
is it the person in his entirety?
I was comparing Suman's impact on the Bengali song with
> Tagore's impact on the Bengali song, which is a different matter
> altogether.
Was tagore's impact on bengali songs well understood in his times? Today
after more than 50 years of his death (and remember he died at a ripe old
age of 80), his impact is still an issue of debate and study. How can you already
compare Suman's, who is possibly in his late forties and writing or singing
(well his own compositions) for not more than last 10-20 years possibly,
impact on bengali songs with RT?
Chaitali
c0ba...@capella.physics.louisville.edu
In article <50k7ha$3...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <8419441...@dejanews.com>,
id2...@american.edu wrote:
> > Indrani writes:
> OK. These are the reasons I agree with Sayan regarding his posting.
> (1) I don't think he was comparing the _talents_ (whatever they are) of RT
> and SC. Rather, he was emphasizing the _effect_ their appearance and work has
> had on Bengali society. IMO, Suman's work as a popular "singer-songwriter" (by
> itself a role pretty new in our society) who gives voice to the needs and
> frustrations of lower-middle and middle class Bengali youth _is_ significant.
Really? Or is it mostly the elite middle class?
> We don't need to wait fifty years in order to surmise that.
:-) So he doesn't require time testing, Indrani?
> (2) Let me say that I, personally, have not had the pleasure of seeing Suman
> in concert. But, from what I have heard from my siblings and friends who have -
> Suman, in concert, is a phenomenon. The level of intimacy and personal interaction
> established therein is something that we may have lost with the demise (arguably)
> of the "jatra" and the "kobi-r loDai".
My experience was mixed. Some pretty bad. I don't blame him. Could have been
overflow of emotion (if his fans can have so much). But that goes to the
point of being a good showman. Is it impact on bengali songs?
> Mabhoi! Aami thakte aamar bhai-bon-der maare kar shaadhyi! :)
Bondhura baad?
> Indrani.
Chaitali Basu
Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
:
: Aei khaane aamar aykta proshno aache Indrani. Taalim-e ki paowa jai
: jeta shorobitaan-e paowa jai na? Aamar mote sheta hochche gayoki. Tai
: jodi hoi, tahole shorolipi follow kore `BoDo bishMoy-o laage' gaowa
: jaabe na kyano? Hote paare she gayoki hoito tomar pochondo holo na,
: kintu tai bole karuru-ee je hobe na aymon kono kotha aache ki?
Gayoki chaDayo talim chaDa golaye tumi shob swar thik moto boshate parbe na.
Ak matraye tinte swar jekhane boshate hobe she dharoner kaaj to baad-I
dilum. Fole shudhu swaralipi follow kora kono talim chaDa khoob akta
shahoj kaaj noye.
: > Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
: > laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
: > theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
: > "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
: > shombondhye.
:
: Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
: kotha aache Indrani?
Beshuro hoteyi hobe amon kotha neyi kintu abhigyo srotar kaane oi
shukhyo kaaj-er abhab dhora poDte paare.
: Sharmila
Chaitali
Dadu
BeDe hoachhaa.
Dadu
Snehasis Ganguly
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> Dadu wrote:
[..]
> Apnar taalim aachhe? Na thakle...(megher kole rod
> heshechhe jaatiyo RS-er kotha bolchhina) cheshta kore dekhben apni? Try
> singing "BoDo bishMoy-o laage heri tomaar-e" - khola gola-y, shworolipi
> follow kore, and with the proper modulation. This is _not_ a flame, Dadu.
> I am seriously interested in adequate proof for this supposition of
> yours.
Aei khaane aamar aykta proshno aache Indrani. Taalim-e ki paowa jai
jeta shorobitaan-e paowa jai na? Aamar mote sheta hochche gayoki. Tai
jodi hoi, tahole shorolipi follow kore `BoDo bishMoy-o laage' gaowa
jaabe na kyano? Hote paare she gayoki hoito tomar pochondo holo na,
kintu tai bole karuru-ee je hobe na aymon kono kotha aache ki?
Tar mane jwar talim nei, taar ki gaan gaibaar odhikaar nei |
Ami bajekhai golai gaan geye kobike ba songwriter ke opomaan
korar kotha bolchina, kintu jwar golai bindumatro gaan aache,
take ki biswabharatir kaache porikha dite jete hobe?
>
> >
> > Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
> > theke upojukto;
Tar mane anyo gaan upojukto noi?
Jana-Gana-mana gaiybar janyo ki amar talim lagbe?
>
> Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
> laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
> theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
> "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
> shombondhye.
This is a very serious matter. I am discerning a
high degree of elitism here. Rabindrasadan-etey
jwar dhokar poisa nei, taar ki gaan shonar odhikaar
nei|
Eiy byapare Suman bodhai kom jaan na|
Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
kotha aache Indrani?
Hain amio sei eki kotha bhabchilaam, Sharmila.
Kobigurur gaan gaibaar odhikaar sobair aache|
BADSHA111
Without trying to belittle Suman's contribution to Bengali music; I find
it very hard to comprehend how the impact made by Suman's music can come
close to Tagore's originality, all encompassing reach and immense staying
power.
There could be an argument if we talk about impact on popular culture
only.
Snehasis Ganguly
> Gayoki chaDayo talim chaDa golaye tumi shob swar thik moto boshate parbe na.
> Ak matraye tinte swar jekhane boshate hobe she dharoner kaaj to baad-I
> dilum. Fole shudhu swaralipi follow kora kono talim chaDa khoob akta
> shahoj kaaj noye.
Chaitali, aamar jotodur dharona, Indrani bodh hoi RT-taalimer kotha
bolechilo, _je kono_ taalimer kotha boleni. At least aami to tai
bujhechi...aar eta shotti, je kono rokom taalim chaDa shorolipi follow
kora nesh mushkil. Kintu aamar boktyobbo holo je jNar classical-e taalim
aache, tini jodi shorolipi dekhe RT gaibar cheshta koren, tahole sheta
ki shruti-modhur hobe na, ba tar gayoki-ke ki tumi ki bolbe?
Tomar proshnoi ta antanytyo juktigato hoeche | Classical
singerjodi shorolipi dekhe RT-er Sangeet gaan thaole
tar gayoki ekta anyo dimension nebe | Rabindranath jodio
classical theke ektu porikha nirikha korechen, jemon
taan ke baad dewaa , western harmony use korechen,
Kintu tobu bharotiyo classical sangeet ke janle tobei
Rabindrasangeet gawaa jai | For example, ami shunechi
je "Gahan Ghan chailo" is a fusion of four ragas|
Etate, "miaN ka mallar", "darbari", "sarang" ebong "megher"
opurbo samagam aachen|
Tagore shudhu bhalo composer chilen na, uni besh bhalo
compositer-o chilen| Onaar gaanke gaibaar janyo setaa
bojha dorkaar|Sawaralipi follow kortei ota laagbe|
Tobu amaar money hoey onaar kobitake upobhog korar
odhikaar amader sobaier aache, ebong jodi nijer sur diye
gaan gai setaa ekta khub nishiddho kaaj hobe na|
>
> : > Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
> : > laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
> : > theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
> : > "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
> : > shombondhye.
> :
> : Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
> : kotha aache Indrani?
>
> Beshuro hoteyi hobe amon kotha neyi kintu abhigyo srotar kaane oi
> shukhyo kaaj-er abhab dhora poDte paare.
Ekhane-o aami aager kotha bolbo, aami dhore nichchi je kono na kono
prokaar taalim aache, RT -te nao thaakte pare. Aar shukhyo kaaje-r kotha
jodi bolo, classical-taalim praapto aymon oneker gaan shonar por
shrota-der bolte shunechi je RT-te e rokom kaaj aykebaare bemanan,
othocho kaaj kintu nikhoot chilo. Eta ke to aami shei gayoki-ee bolbo,
tumi ki bolo?
Jaara oirokom bolen, tader Rabindra-sangeet -er origin niye
ja ja gobeshona hoeche seigulo dekhaar sujog hoeni |Rabindranath
bharotiyo classical sangeet thke onek peyechen, diyechen-o|
Snehasis
>
> : Sharmila
>
> Chaitali
Sharmila
--
--
India-monsoon and marigold, dung and dust, colors and corpses ,
smoke and ash, snow and endless myth- is a cruel, unrelenting
place of ineffable sweetness. It is the most difficult and most
rewarding of places to travel.
-James O'Reilly
Sharmila Mukherjee
Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
[..]
>
> Tagore shudhu bhalo composer chilen na, uni besh bhalo
> compositer-o chilen| Onaar gaanke gaibaar janyo setaa
> bojha dorkaar|Sawaralipi follow kortei ota laagbe|
> Tobu amaar money hoey onaar kobitake upobhog korar
> odhikaar amader sobaier aache, ebong jodi nijer sur diye
> gaan gai setaa ekta khub nishiddho kaaj hobe na|
Ekhane tumi bodh hoi `nijer gayoki' bolte cheyecho, `nijer shur' noi,
tai na Snehasis?
> Jaara oirokom bolen, tader Rabindra-sangeet -er origin niye
> ja ja gobeshona hoeche seigulo dekhaar sujog hoeni |Rabindranath
> bharotiyo classical sangeet thke onek peyechen, diyechen-o|
Kintu classical aar RT-r gayoki-te aakhash-pataal tofaat, eta nishchoi
maanbe aar ayktar ghaDe aarekta-ke chapale je byaparta khub aykta
shruti-modhur hobe na, sheta bolai bahulyo.
Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
[...]
>
> Hain amio sei eki kotha bhabchilaam, Sharmila.
> Kobigurur gaan gaibaar odhikaar sobair aache|
Ta nishchoi aache, tobe e khane kotha hochchilo record kora niye.
Debajyoti Choudhury
Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
: > Tagore shudhu bhalo composer chilen na, uni besh bhalo
: > compositer-o chilen| Onaar gaanke gaibaar janyo setaa
apnader suchintita alochanay byaghat ghaTiye duTi smanaya prashna | asha kari
aparadh neben na |
prathamTi ati tuchchha | geetikar arthe `compositer' byabahar ki suprachalita ?
prayog dushTa balcchina, kabolmatra prachalaner katha jijnes karchhi |
dwitiya prashna : rabiThakurer ganer surer kato shatangsha onar nijer deoa ?
kato shatangsha dinendranath-er ? tritiya byakti ?
: > bojha dorkaar|Sawaralipi follow kortei ota laagbe|
: > Tobu amaar money hoey onaar kobitake upobhog korar
: > odhikaar amader sobaier aache, ebong jodi nijer sur diye
: > gaan gai setaa ekta khub nishiddho kaaj hobe na|
: Ekhane tumi bodh hoi `nijer gayoki' bolte cheyecho, `nijer shur' noi,
: tai na Snehasis?
: > Jaara oirokom bolen, tader Rabindra-sangeet -er origin niye
: > ja ja gobeshona hoeche seigulo dekhaar sujog hoeni |Rabindranath
: > bharotiyo classical sangeet thke onek peyechen, diyechen-o|
: Kintu classical aar RT-r gayoki-te aakhash-pataal tofaat, eta nishchoi
: maanbe aar ayktar ghaDe aarekta-ke chapale je byaparta khub aykta
: shruti-modhur hobe na, sheta bolai bahulyo.
abar alochanar majhe fo.nRan kaTchhi.
shruti-madhur je habena, tao ba jor diye bala jay ki? ajoy chakraborty'r
najrul geeti nishchayi prachalita onger noy | kintu ta ki shruti-kaTu ? hoyto
anekei ete re-re kare uThben | balben `najrul-geeti anek sthanei ragashrayi,
rabindrasangeet noy' | manlam | kintu prathamTi ki parIksha-nirIksha'r fal
noy ? rabindra-geeti niye seTuku parIksha haayechhe ki ? upajukta shilpi je
rabindra-geeti-ke kheyal-er `bandish'-rupe byabahar karte parben na, ta ki
bala jay ?
apnader mantabyer apekshay,
debajyoti
: Sharmila
Sharmila Mukherjee
> : Kintu classical aar RT-r gayoki-te aakhash-pataal tofaat, eta nishchoi
> : maanbe aar ayktar ghaDe aarekta-ke chapale je byaparta khub aykta
> : shruti-modhur hobe na, sheta bolai bahulyo.
>
> abar alochanar majhe fo.nRan kaTchhi.
>
> shruti-madhur je habena, tao ba jor diye bala jay ki? ajoy chakraborty'r
> najrul geeti nishchayi prachalita onger noy | kintu ta ki shruti-kaTu ? hoyto
> anekei ete re-re kare uThben | balben `najrul-geeti anek sthanei ragashrayi,
> rabindrasangeet noy' | manlam | kintu prathamTi ki parIksha-nirIksha'r fal
> noy ? rabindra-geeti niye seTuku parIksha haayechhe ki ? upajukta shilpi je
> rabindra-geeti-ke kheyal-er `bandish'-rupe byabahar karte parben na, ta ki
> bala jay ?
Dekhun aami jokhon ekti-r gayoki onyoti-te chapano-r kotha bolechilaam,
sheta chilo udor pindi budho-r ghaDe chapanor moto byapar. E byapare
aami aapnar shaathe ayk mot je rabindroshongeet niye shebhaabe
porikkha-nirikkha hoi ni, holey byaparta ki dNaDabe, ta bola mushkil.
Tobe e kotha thik je aei niye bishod gobeshona-r proyojon, ta byateet
fol bhalo hobe na bolei aamar dharona.
Debajyoti Choudhury
Sharmila Mukherjee (s...@shiva.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: > : Kintu classical aar RT-r gayoki-te aakhash-pataal tofaat, eta nishchoi
: > : maanbe aar ayktar ghaDe aarekta-ke chapale je byaparta khub aykta
: > : shruti-modhur hobe na, sheta bolai bahulyo.
: >
: > abar alochanar majhe fo.nRan kaTchhi.
: >
: > shruti-madhur je habena, tao ba jor diye bala jay ki? ajoy chakraborty'r
: > najrul geeti nishchayi prachalita onger noy | kintu ta ki shruti-kaTu ? hoyto
: > anekei ete re-re kare uThben | balben `najrul-geeti anek sthanei ragashrayi,
: > rabindrasangeet noy' | manlam | kintu prathamTi ki parIksha-nirIksha'r fal
: > noy ? rabindra-geeti niye seTuku parIksha haayechhe ki ? upajukta shilpi je
: > rabindra-geeti-ke kheyal-er `bandish'-rupe byabahar karte parben na, ta ki
: > bala jay ?
: Dekhun aami jokhon ekti-r gayoki onyoti-te chapano-r kotha bolechilaam,
: sheta chilo udor pindi budho-r ghaDe chapanor moto byapar. E byapare
age thekei kano dhare nichchhen je `udor pindi budho-r ghaDe'i chapbe ?
: aami aapnar shaathe ayk mot je rabindroshongeet niye shebhaabe
: porikkha-nirikkha hoi ni, holey byaparta ki dNaDabe, ta bola mushkil.
: Tobe e kotha thik je aei niye bishod gobeshona-r proyojon, ta byateet
: fol bhalo hobe na bolei aamar dharona.
pratham prashna : gabeshana kano dorkar habe ? jadi gayak/gayika geeti o
surer upajukta samanvay na ghoTate paren, tahole kshati ki ? bajare akTa
baje cassette baRlo, ei to ?
dwitiya prashna : gabeshana karbe ke ? ta jothajoth kina, se siddhanter
bhar-i ba kar ? biswa-bharati'r ?
mantabya : aneke-i bale thaken record korar abadg swadhinata thakle
rabindrasangeet-er mahima khunna habe | tar swakiyata jabe hariye | tai jadi
habe, tahole europiya sangeet be.nche thaklo ki kare ?
debajyoti
Snehasis Ganguly
Dadu (Da...@Finland.fi) wrote:
: BeDe hoachhaa.
: Dadu
Mane ? Thread ta bhalo laaglo apnaar?
snehasis
Indrani DasGupta
Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
>
> Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
> Indrani DasGupta wrote:
> >
> > Dadu wrote:
>
> [..]
> > Apnar taalim aachhe? Na thakle...(megher kole rod
> > heshechhe jaatiyo RS-er kotha bolchhina) cheshta kore dekhben apni? Try
> > singing "BoDo bishMoy-o laage heri tomaar-e" - khola gola-y, shworolipi
> > follow kore, and with the proper modulation. This is _not_ a flame, Dadu.
> > I am seriously interested in adequate proof for this supposition of
> > yours.
> Aei khaane aamar aykta proshno aache Indrani. Taalim-e ki paowa jai
> jeta shorobitaan-e paowa jai na? Aamar mote sheta hochche gayoki. Tai
> jodi hoi, tahole shorolipi follow kore `BoDo bishMoy-o laage' gaowa
> jaabe na kyano? Hote paare she gayoki hoito tomar pochondo holo na,
> kintu tai bole karuru-ee je hobe na aymon kono kotha aache ki?
Aage Sharmila-dir uttor...dite ato deri hoye galo bole lojjito. Taalim-e
ja paowa jaay, amaar mote ta holo ingrejite "a trained voice". Ektu
training na pele shworolipi follow kora shokto Sharmila-di. Besh shokto.
Pochhondo-opochhonde-r kotha chheDe-i dilaam. O byapar-ta to nitanto-i
subjective. Kintu "gayoki" toiri kintu shudhumatro taalim-ei hoyna.
Gayoki toiri hoy 1)taalim, jyamon dhoro tumi kothay sheta pachcho ba
nichcho. Jyamon Surangama-y, na Robiteertho, na Dakhkhini...na
private-e...ityadi, 2) tomar nijoshyo bhaab-prodaan ba distinctivity
(gaaite parlei "gayok" howa je jaayna e shombondhye ki keu bhinnyo mot
poshon koren?), aar 3) taal-meeD ityaadi-r byabohaar.
>
> Tar mane jwar talim nei, taar ki gaan gaibaar odhikaar nei |
> Ami bajekhai golai gaan geye kobike ba songwriter ke opomaan
> korar kotha bolchina, kintu jwar golai bindumatro gaan aache,
> take ki biswabharatir kaache porikha dite jete hobe?
"Bindumatro gaan" maane-ta thhik ki, Snehasis? Aar, porikhkha dite kano-i
ba hobena?
> > >
> > > Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
> > > theke upojukto;
>
> Tar mane anyo gaan upojukto noi?
> Jana-Gana-mana gaiybar janyo ki amar talim lagbe?
Cinema hall-e dNaDiye gaaite nishchoyi noy. Kintu record kora-r aage
gola-ta ektu jheDe-keshe porishkaar kore dui-akbaar shedhe nile-i bhalo
noy ki? :)
>
> >
> > Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
> > laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
> > theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
> > "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
> > shombondhye.
>
> This is a very serious matter. I am discerning a
> high degree of elitism here. Rabindrasadan-etey
> jwar dhokar poisa nei, taar ki gaan shonar odhikaar
> nei|
Nishchoyi aachhe. Aamar ma-baba-r jodi poysha na thaake tahole ki aami
Harvard-e poDte parbo na, Snehasis? Ki kore parbo tahole? Khat-te hobe,
poDashona korte hobe, tai to? Elitist mentality er modhye tumi pachcho
kaaron aami bolechhilam je khola gola aachhe maane-i RS gaowa jaay na.
Tai to? Shurela gola to onek-eri aachhe. Kintu porisrom ki shobaar dara
shombhob? Aami eta-i bolchhilam. Aar gola bhalo hole-i je RS gaowa jete
paare taar-o maane nei. RS gaowa shoja, kintu _bhalo_ gaowa khu-u-u-u-b
shokto. Ekhane Indrani Sen-ke udahoron shworup diye dilaam.
> Eiy byapare Suman bodhai kom jaan na|
>
> Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
> kotha aache Indrani?
"beshuro" kotha-ta kintu aami bolini ba tulini, Sharmila-di. Eta tumi
ektu check kore dekhe jini bolechhilen tNaake proshno-ta koro. Na, aami
mon-e korina je khola gola-y gaaile-i beshuro hote hobe. Er aage aami ja
likhechhi ta ei conjecture-ti-ke akdom-i support korena. Kaaje-i aar
beshi kichhu notun kore bollam na e shombondhye.
>
> Hain amio sei eki kotha bhabchilaam, Sharmila.
> Kobigurur gaan gaibaar odhikaar sobair aache|
HNya, kobiguru-r gaan gaibar shobbar odhikaar aachhe, Snehasis. Jyamon
shobbar odhikaar aachhe shei gaan-er record na kena-r...jodi ta
srutimodhur na hoy. Tai to? Naki tumi amaake joDjaD kore shei gaan-er
record-o kenabe? :)
Indrani.
Snehasis Ganguly
Debajytoi choudhury wrote:
Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
: > Tagore shudhu bhalo composer chilen na, uni besh bhalo
: > compositer-o chilen| Onaar gaanke gaibaar janyo setaa
apnader suchintita alochanay byaghat ghaTiye duTi smanaya prashna | asha kari
aparadh neben na |
prathamTi ati tuchchha | geetikar arthe `compositer' byabahar ki suprachalita ?
prayog dushTa balcchina, kabolmatra prachalaner katha jijnes karchhi |
Apnaar proshner uttor holo je eta ami nije theke byabohaar
korini | Kichu recent literature gheNte ota chokhe porlo
tai byabohaar korechi|
dwitiya prashna : rabiThakurer ganer surer kato shatangsha onar nijer deoa ?
kato shatangsha dinendranath-er ? tritiya byakti ?
eiytya thik bolte paarbo na, eta ritimoto gobeshonaar bishoi,
ebong khanikta historical records er byapaar| Tobe nishondhe
uni Indian classical music'er melody-er songe western classical
music-er harmony-er ekta jogajog ghotiyechilen|
[..]
abar alochanar majhe fo.nRan kaTchhi.
shruti-madhur je habena, tao ba jor diye bala jay ki? ajoy chakraborty'r
najrul geeti nishchayi prachalita onger noy | kintu ta ki shruti-kaTu ? hoyto
anekei ete re-re kare uThben | balben `najrul-geeti anek sthanei ragashrayi,
rabindrasangeet noy' | manlam | kintu prathamTi ki parIksha-nirIksha'r fal
noy ? rabindra-geeti niye seTuku parIksha haayechhe ki ? upajukta shilpi je
rabindra-geeti-ke kheyal-er `bandish'-rupe byabahar karte parben na, ta ki
bala jay ?
apnader mantabyer apekshay,
debajyoti
Amar mote shruti modhur howaa na howaata to shrotaar opor
nirbhor korche | Nijaswsho mote jwara eiy dhoroner proyog korechen
tader gaan shunte amaar bhalo legeche| Sharmila'r nao laagte
paare|
Snehasis
Chaitali Basu
Indrani DasGupta (id2...@american.edu) wrote:
: Aamar ma-baba-r jodi poysha na thaake tahole ki aami
: Harvard-e poDte parbo na, Snehasis? Ki kore parbo tahole? Khat-te hobe,
: poDashona korte hobe, tai to?
Didibhai eta darun hoyechhe. Kon chotobelaye eshob shunechilum,
praye bhulte boshechhi. Tumi achho boleyi ja mone thakbe bhorsha:-)
: Indrani.
Chaitali
sayan bhattacharyya
Snehasis Ganguly <sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu> wrote:
>
> This is a very serious matter. I am discerning a
> high degree of elitism here. Rabindrasadan-etey
> jwar dhokar poisa nei, taar ki gaan shonar odhikaar
> nei|
Welcome to the "free market", Snehasis. Didn't you know that in the
"free market", freedom of choice exists only for those who have the
money to afford it?
For example, in a "free" society, newspapers are free -- there is
freedom of press and we are oh-so-proud of it! But in the same "free"
society, millions of people are so poor that they can hardly eat,
much less afford the money to buy a newspaper. Does the poor man
(or woman) in a "free" society have the right to read a newspaper?
Sure, she does. Can she do so in practise? No, because the freedom
to buy the newspaper belongs only to those who can afford to buy it.
So, you see, Snehasis, there is no such thing as a free poor man (or
a free poor woman), even in a society which pays lip-service to freedom,
until there is social and economic equity.
Amitabha Lahiri
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
> Btw, in today's fragmented society, multi-faceted geniuses are no longer
> possible.
1. I don't see the cause and effect here. Could you please explain?
2. I could say that multi-faceted genius was always truly exceptional.
How many can you name? How many can you name who were as broad in their
creative realm as Rabindranath?
3. I could say that all genius is multi-faceted. :-)
4. I could say society was always fragmented as far as history goes back.
And the only geniuses we know of were in fragmented society.
5. On second thoughts, never mind. :-) But have a think.
Amitabha
--
Amitabha Lahiri MAPS University of Sussex A.La...@central.susx.ac.uk
No one else is responsible for what I say and vice versa.
Today it's the Bengalis, tomorrow it will be you.
Snehasis Ganguly
Jetaa kaktaruaar golaa noi :-)
> > >
> > > Aamar mone hoechhe, R-sangeet ektu taalim chhDa, khali golar jonyo sob
> > > theke upojukto;
>
> Tar mane anyo gaan upojukto noi?
> Jana-Gana-mana gaiybar janyo ki amar talim lagbe?
Cinema hall-e dNaDiye gaaite nishchoyi noy. Kintu record kora-r aage
gola-ta ektu jheDe-keshe porishkaar kore dui-akbaar shedhe nile-i bhalo
noy ki? :)
Tumi ki bolte chao Asha golaa ta saadhen na naaki
kishore saadten na? By the way, cinema hall etey
dariye gaan gaiybo kon dukhe ? Phuchka khabo na?
>
> >
> > Cha-jilipi shohojog-e, chhuti-r din-e, shamne boshe, shunte bhalo-i
> > laage. Kintu Rabindrasadan-e? Eden-er Green Stand-er bashinda-der
> > theke-o kintu kom jaan na Rabindrasadan-er audience. Bishesh kore apnar
> > "taleem chhaDa, khola gola-r, beshur-o, sref-dorodi" gayok-gayeeka-der
> > shombondhye.
>
> This is a very serious matter. I am discerning a
> high degree of elitism here. Rabindrasadan-etey
> jwar dhokar poisa nei, taar ki gaan shonar odhikaar
> nei|
Nishchoyi aachhe. Aamar ma-baba-r jodi poysha na thaake tahole ki aami
Harvard-e poDte parbo na, Snehasis? Ki kore parbo tahole? Khat-te hobe,
Sob thik-eiy aache, tobe Gaan shonaa aar Harvard-er
entrance jodi ek hoto tahole etodine ami Harvard,
MIT, Stanford sob kotaa thekei ekta ekta degree
niye nitum|
poDashona korte hobe, tai to? Elitist mentality er modhye tumi pachcho
kaaron aami bolechhilam je khola gola aachhe maane-i RS gaowa jaay na.
Tai to? Shurela gola to onek-eri aachhe. Kintu porisrom ki shobaar dara
shombhob? Aami eta-i bolchhilam. Aar gola bhalo hole-i je RS gaowa jete
Amaar ekta bahudin-er proshno? jader dwara sambhov noi
tader ki hobe? Tobe eshob byaprey Sayan onek porashona
koreche, oi bhalo bolte paarbe|
paare taar-o maane nei. RS gaowa shoja, kintu _bhalo_ gaowa khu-u-u-u-b
shokto. Ekhane Indrani Sen-ke udahoron shworup diye dilaam.
> Eiy byapare Suman bodhai kom jaan na|
>
> Talim chaDa aar khola golai gaile je beshuro hote hobe aymon ki kono
> kotha aache Indrani?
"beshuro" kotha-ta kintu aami bolini ba tulini, Sharmila-di. Eta tumi
ektu check kore dekhe jini bolechhilen tNaake proshno-ta koro. Na, aami
mon-e korina je khola gola-y gaaile-i beshuro hote hobe. Er aage aami ja
likhechhi ta ei conjecture-ti-ke akdom-i support korena. Kaaje-i aar
beshi kichhu notun kore bollam na e shombondhye.
Hain amio sei eki kotha bhabchilaam, Sharmila.
> Kobigurur gaan gaibaar odhikaar sobair aache|
HNya, kobiguru-r gaan gaibar shobbar odhikaar aachhe, Snehasis. Jyamon
shobbar odhikaar aachhe shei gaan-er record na kena-r...jodi ta
srutimodhur na hoy. Tai to? Naki tumi amaake joDjaD kore shei gaan-er
record-o kenabe? :)
Are Ram,Ram | Ami bolechi record baar korar odhikaar
sobair aache, kinte hobe bolini to|
Ami jodi Record company-er manager hotum to "beshuro"
gayoker gaantake "in-thing/ jibonmukhi Rabindra Sangeet"
eiysob diye marketing korar chesta kortum :-)
Snehasis
Indrani.
PS: Tumi RS gao?
sayan bhattacharyya
Amitabha Lahiri <mp...@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>> Btw, in today's fragmented society, multi-faceted geniuses are no longer
>> possible.
>1. I don't see the cause and effect here. Could you please explain?
In pre-industrial-capitalist society, an individual in society necessarily has
to perform many different roles. Consider, for example, a pre-industrial
folk musician: this person probably would have a little plot of land
or perhaps would work as a sharecropper, and would also make some money
by singing, and would also, perhaps, work a loom as a weaver. In his
back yard he will probably also grow a few garden vegetables (the kumRo
on the kumRo-macha) etc. In short, he is playing _many_ different roles.
With the rise of industrial capitalism, comes valorization of the concept of
division of labor. The best example of this is that remarkable notion
of the assembly line, brought to perfection by Henry Ford in America.
Here every person plays a very distinct, highly specialized role
(recall Chaplin in Modern Times). The nature of work changes in capitalism
with the migration of labor from the village to the factory. The emphasis
is no longer on doing many different things, but on developing one single
specialized marketable skill.
The economic base (substructure) determines the cultural superstructure
of a society. Consequently the above phenomenon is reflected in the
cultural production of society as well. This is why we get polymath
geniuses like a Leonardo da Vinci (a product of pre-industrial Italian
mercantile capitalism) or a Rabindranath Tagore (a product of pre-industrial
Indian colonial feudalism) in pre-industrial societies, but in industrialized
societies we rarely have multifaceted persons any more. The emphasis now
is on doing one thing and doing it well, i.e. on finding your niche. (You
find this in academia as well -- in the twentieth century the trend is towards
establishing your little reseach niche rather than on spreading yourself out
too much, whereas in earlier centuries university academics used to be much
more versatile: Descartes, for example, was a mathematician as well as
scientist, philosopher, theologian and essayist; Francis Bacon was a
philosopher as well as a scientist who invented gunpowder!)
rana...@jcs2.jcstate.edu
i, ranadeep mukherjee thinks that we should not alter rabindranath tagoor's
songs because they are jewels. as a computer programmer and a professional
disc jockey for 8 years i a famous new york city night club, i love music and i
love rabindrasangeet. i can't sing and i appreciate good songs. and thats is
pranam amar boroder and bhalobash amar chotoder.
In article <32373B...@american.edu>, Indrani DasGupta
Indrani DasGupta
Chaitali Basu wrote:
>
> Indrani DasGupta (id2...@american.edu) wrote:
>
> : Aamar ma-baba-r jodi poysha na thaake tahole ki aami
> : Harvard-e poDte parbo na, Snehasis? Ki kore parbo tahole? Khat-te hobe,
> : poDashona korte hobe, tai to?
>
> praye bhulte boshechhi. Tumi achho boleyi ja mone thakbe bhorsha:-)
>
> : Indrani.
>
> Chaitali
Tobe re! BoDo didi-r shonge moshkora, aNya?!? Dhorbo naki ThhYang duto?
iti,
Didibhai.