Ugly face of Anandobazar again
Soumitra Bose
From: soum...@ix.netcom.com(Soumitra Bose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.bengali
Subject: Ugly face of Anadabazar Patrika props up again
The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
is the name of his forthcoming book.
The bastion of "free speech" of bengali culture - THE ANANDABAZAR
PATRIKA (what an ironic name , one which considers raping and murder to
be "Ananda" and definitely culture sleezy news-stuff as a BAzari
chheez) has published the pieces serially .
The reaction was usual . People of various categories felt disgusted.
Leftist organisations and Women's organisations and Civil libertians
burst their voice off in protests.
Nadia district took the lead this time . Youth organisations took up
the cudgel .Very exepectedly the organisers and participants were
hauled summarily. Their Leader Bijoy Shah was tortured in the Runu-way.
His hands and toes were tied across a long pole which was hung
horizontally , then he was beaten and burnt by Cigar butts . ALl his
limbs were broken .The nails were all pulled off.The body was decorated
by Cigar burns.Metallic rod was shoved through his anas and periodic
electric shocks wer given on the reporductive organs . Periodically he
was beaten on the head with clubs while hanging him upside down.
The Constables involved in this beating mentioned that they are doing
it as being requested to do so by the Anandabazar Authority to teach
people like B?ijoy Saha a lesson that he and his friends should never
dream anything against the prestigious institution of culture.
Bijoy Saha is still remanded in police custody without bail and without
being allowed to be visited.
So much for the great Institution of Bengalee culture....
Supratik Das
I was just wondering how this is happening in a leftist controlled state.
I mean how come the leftist-run Govt. police is beating up opponents of a
man considered to be one of those responsible for the mass murder of
other leftists, specially in these days of Congress-Leftist bhishon
bhai-bhai. Weird. BTW, when will the Indian police understand that he is
guided by the same law that guides other Indians and stop acting like
barbarians? Who will teach the police a lesson? Is this any different
from the police states of Latin America? I heard from a friend of mine
working in Lalbazaar that all the Police fellows in the CID Interrogation
Dept. are perverts and sadists (in other words criminals or sick-minded
people) and to think that these guys are responsible for bringing law and
order to the state. Police education is a must in a modern state. Otherwise
things like thrashing any person when brought to a police station without
charges being proven will continue. Where is the human rights of the
common citizen?
Supratik
Arnab Gupta
Naeem likhechhen:
>>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>>
>> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
>> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
>> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
>> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
>
>> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
>
>Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith noi.
>
>
>Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta platform
>dewa.
Thik bojha gyalo na. Onakey jodi onar dik-ta boltey deoar odhikaar
mene nitey hoi, taholey Anadabajaar ki onyai korlen ? "freedom of
though" ebong "speech" ki gonomadhyom-er khetrey projojyo noi ?
Anyway, amar boktobyo chhilo je Runu Guho Niyogi-r lekha chhapaley jodi
Anandabajaar-ke `rapist'der shomorthok bola jai, taholey shei ayki
jaigai dNaDiye Sumanbabu-r bhokto-ra Suman-er lekha chhapar jonye
Anandabajaar-ke "progressive" bolben to ? BTW, Suman `progressive'
eta `assume' korlam ekhaney - Sumanbabur bhoktoder apotti nei to ?
Thanks,
Arnab.
Naeem Mohaiemen
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith noi.
Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta platform
dewa.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
HBO Interactive Media
Samir Bhattacharya
Soumitro Bose wrote:
>The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
>eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
>is the name of his forthcoming book.
....
Can you share some backgrond info on Runu Guha Neogy? There was an R.
Guha, police commissioner of Calcutta during the Naxalite movement
when the CPM was in power for part of the time. How do these two
periods compare -- in terms of the policies of the administrations and
the behavior of the police in suppressing the movements, agitations,
"law & order problems", whatever?
Thanks,
Samir
Anindya Ghoshal
Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Naeem likhechhen:
: >>Arnab Gupta wrote:
: >>
: >> Soumitra Bose wrote:
: >
: >> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
: >> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
: >> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
: >> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
: >
: >> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
: >
: >Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith noi.
: >
: >
: >Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta platform
: >dewa.
: Thik bojha gyalo na. Onakey jodi onar dik-ta boltey deoar odhikaar
: mene nitey hoi, taholey Anadabajaar ki onyai korlen ? "freedom of
: though" ebong "speech" ki gonomadhyom-er khetrey projojyo noi ?
: Anyway, amar boktobyo chhilo je Runu Guho Niyogi-r lekha chhapaley jodi
: Anandabajaar-ke `rapist'der shomorthok bola jai, taholey shei ayki
: jaigai dNaDiye Sumanbabu-r bhokto-ra Suman-er lekha chhapar jonye
: Anandabajaar-ke "progressive" bolben to ? BTW, Suman `progressive'
: eta `assume' korlam ekhaney - Sumanbabur bhoktoder apotti nei to ?
Arnab, was browsing thru. this discussion and couldn't help commenting.
Of course Runu Guho-Niyogi has his right to express himself..and Anandabazaar
is commiting no crime in giving him the platform to air his voice. But I
would assume being a responsible daily Anandabazar would provide a similar
platform for Archana Niyogi and her sister-in-law Prof. Latika Niyogi
to air their version of what happened to them in police custody when
they were arrested by Runu Guha-Niyogi..of course Mr. Guho-Niyogi would
tell us how Archana's brother (Latika's husband ) died in police custody..
and why Archana was rendered permanently paralysed to wheel-chair for life
after being released from police custody?? How come Ananda-Bazaar till
date haven't provided a broader platform for them excepting a small
news probably tucked away in some corner when Archana would return Calcutta
to testify in HIgh Court with her Danish doctor/husband...although her
case had been listed in Anmesty International as a case of widespread
human abuse by police ..how come none of the mainstream newspapers
elaborated on this as a human rights issue..why does it take for the
High Court to deliberate for more than 20 years to conclude..?? how come
the officer under question Mr. Guho-Niyogi was promoted to Asst. Commissioner
by the Left Front Govt. when all the human rights abuse cases were been
investigated against him ..?? Take a walk through Garia's market
Arnab and talk to some old-timers if you can..quite a few of them can
narrate you of the incident of two students of Dinabandu Andrews College
being shot dead in broad-daylight right near the market place by the
police party led by the then OC of Garia thana Mr. Runu Guha-Niyogi..
inspite of widespread atrocities and human rights abuses and violations
both by the Congress led Govt. of SS. Ray and his Police force ..have you
ever heard any punishment of politician or police officer involved..???
how come Cossipore and Baranagar sweep and killings of youths by CRPF
was not investigated or not reported...Mahasweta Devi's "Hazaar Churashir
Maa" was no figment of imagination by any stretch..ahh well while staunchly
being against the Naxalite movement, I still think there were widespread
human rights violations by the Govt. and the guilty needs to be punished
and not rewarded by an Ambassadorship to US. Lastly I ponder, wasn't
it at all possible for the then leaders of Bengal to enter into
dialogues with this section of youth and bring them back to mainstream..??
Is life of the youth were so much meaningless and worthless in Bengal??
Or maybe the whole issue of human rights violations by SS Ray and his goons
were figment of the Bengali middle class suffering from Naxalgia as
Nobonita DebSen would call it..
: Thanks,
: Arnab.
rgds,
Anindo.
--
email address: agho...@eng2.uconn.edu
Life is just a procrastination for death
sayan bhattacharyya
Arnab Gupta <GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
>>The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
>>eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>>intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
>>is the name of his forthcoming book.
>Bhari du:kher byapar. Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o
>keDe neoa uchit.
Arnab Gupta is firing sarcastic shots at a straw target.
Soumitra did not say anywhere that Guhaneogi shouldn't have
freedom of speech or writing. He did not demand that Guhaneogi
be banned. Such a demand would be meaningless, because Soumitra
does not have the power to control Anandabazar's actions! What he did
was criticize Anandabazar for publishing, and thus indirectly
legitimizing, a known sadist and human rights abuser.
Soumitra does not like Guhaneogi, and he has every right to
criticize Anandabazar Patrika for an action which he thinks is
harmful to society.
If Arnab Gupta likes what Anandabazar has
done, he has, similarly, every right to praise Anandabazar
Patrika.
An analogous example will make this clear.
If the Ku Klux Klan writes an op-ed piece and sends it to the
New York Times, should the NYT publish it?
Whether it does or does not, is of course up to the NYT. I,
however, would not like it. If such a thing happens, I would
loudly criticize the newspaper.
Does that mean I am against the KKK's freedom of speech?
Hell, no!
>BTW, ebar Kolkatai dekhlam amader sub-altern hero, biplobi, shongrami
>jibonmukhi gayok Sumanbabu aajkaal Anandabajar prokashon-er Sananda-te
>lekhalekhi koren -`Pete gayen Pete Bayen'. `BAzar' bhaloi jachhe onar.
Suman has done the right thing. He wants to reach people. Anandabazar
is a mass circulation newspaper. If Anandabazar provides him a forum,
why shouldn't he avail of it, as long as that enables him to send
out his message to more people?
This _single_ instance does not make Anandabazar a "progressive"
newspaper as Gupta has claimed, although it is certainly a welcome
development. I will be ready to consider Anandabazar socially
responsible and progressive only when I see a constant pattern
of responsible reporting and publishing, and a consistent pattern
of the lack of the usual sleaze. Until such time, I would consider
incidents like this as exceptions, not a rule.
ek magh-e sheet palay na |
Arnab Gupta
Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
>Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: Naeem likhechhen:
>
>: >>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>: >>
>: >> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>: >
>: >> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
>: >> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>: >> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
>: >> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
>: >
>: >> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
>: >
>: >Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith noi.
>: >
>: >
>: >Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta platform
>: >dewa.
>
>: Thik bojha gyalo na. Onakey jodi onar dik-ta boltey deoar odhikaar
>: mene nitey hoi, taholey Anadabajaar ki onyai korlen ? "freedom of
>: though" ebong "speech" ki gonomadhyom-er khetrey projojyo noi ?
>
>: Anyway, amar boktobyo chhilo je Runu Guho Niyogi-r lekha chhapaley jodi
>: Anandabajaar-ke `rapist'der shomorthok bola jai, taholey shei ayki
>: jaigai dNaDiye Sumanbabu-r bhokto-ra Suman-er lekha chhapar jonye
>: Anandabajaar-ke "progressive" bolben to ? BTW, Suman `progressive'
>: eta `assume' korlam ekhaney - Sumanbabur bhoktoder apotti nei to ?
>
>Arnab, was browsing thru. this discussion and couldn't help commenting.
>Of course Runu Guho-Niyogi has his right to express himself..and Anandabazaar
>...[deleted]..
Thanks Anindya, tothwobohul lekhatar jonye. Jodi khub bhul na korey thhaki
Archana Guha Niyogi-r lekha amar Anandabajaar-e chokhey porechhe (ei
muhurtey shon-tarikh janano shombhob noi). E chhaDao ei case-er upor
bohu lekha (jar boktobyo Archana Guha Niyogi-r shopokhye jai, ebong
shongoto karonei, etao maani) Anandabajaar prokashoni-r kagojey
dekhechhi. Runu Guho Niyogi oporadhi nishchoi, court-eo ta proman
hoyechhe. Kintu oporadhi boley tNar lekha chhapa jabena e byaparta
ektu odbhut thyake. Aaro odbhut thyake jokhon dekhi shudhumatro
ei aykta karoney kono kagoj-ke dayitwogyanheen bhabey galagal deoa
hoi `rapist'der shomorthok boley. Anyway, ami amar nijer boktobyo
janachhilum matro. Aar bishesh kichhu bolar nei e byapare.
Thanks,
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Sayan likhechhe
>>Arnab Gupta <GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>>Soumitra Bose wrote:
>>
>>>The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
>>>eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>>>intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
>>>is the name of his forthcoming book.
>
>>Bhari du:kher byapar. Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o
>>keDe neoa uchit.
>
>Arnab Gupta is firing sarcastic shots at a straw target.
>
Dayitwogyanheen lekhar onyorokom jobab hoi na.
>Soumitra did not say anywhere that Guhaneogi shouldn't have
>freedom of speech or writing. He did not demand that Guhaneogi
>be banned. Such a demand would be meaningless, because Soumitra
>does not have the power to control Anandabazar's actions! What he did
>was criticize Anandabazar for publishing, and thus indirectly
>legitimizing, a known sadist and human rights abuser.
>
>Soumitra does not like Guhaneogi, and he has every right to
>criticize Anandabazar Patrika for an action which he thinks is
>harmful to society.
>
>If Arnab Gupta likes what Anandabazar has
>done, he has, similarly, every right to praise Anandabazar
>Patrika.
>
>An analogous example will make this clear.
>
>If the Ku Klux Klan writes an op-ed piece and sends it to the
>New York Times, should the NYT publish it?
>
>Whether it does or does not, is of course up to the NYT. I,
>however, would not like it. If such a thing happens, I would
>loudly criticize the newspaper.
>
>Does that mean I am against the KKK's freedom of speech?
>Hell, no!
>
Yes you are. Kono kichhu bhalo na lagle upekhya koro. Kharap lagle,
protibaad koro, juktishongotobhabe. Shostar galagali diye kistimaat-er
cheshta-ta kaajer kotha noi. Soumitrobabu jodi Runu Guha Niyogi-r
lekhar protibaad korten amar kichhu bolar thhakto na. Kintu onar
lekhar moddhe prochhonnobhabe ei byaparta prokash peyechhe je
Anadabajaar onar lekha *CHHEPE* onyai korechhe. Ei gorar `assumption'
tatei jotheshto apotti thhakar karon achhe.
>>BTW, ebar Kolkatai dekhlam amader sub-altern hero, biplobi, shongrami
>>jibonmukhi gayok Sumanbabu aajkaal Anandabajar prokashon-er Sananda-te
>>lekhalekhi koren -`Pete gayen Pete Bayen'. `BAzar' bhaloi jachhe onar.
>
>Suman has done the right thing. He wants to reach people. Anandabazar
>is a mass circulation newspaper. If Anandabazar provides him a forum,
>why shouldn't he avail of it, as long as that enables him to send
>out his message to more people?
>
Ta botey. Aar dwitiyo jukti hishebe Suman to boleichhen "Jodi bhabo
kinchho amai..".
>This _single_ instance does not make Anandabazar a "progressive"
>newspaper as Gupta has claimed, although it is certainly a welcome
>development. I will be ready to consider Anandabazar socially
>responsible and progressive only when I see a constant pattern
>of responsible reporting and publishing, and a consistent pattern
>of the lack of the usual sleaze. Until such time, I would consider
>incidents like this as exceptions, not a rule.
>
Tomar shonge e byaparey torko britha. Shara duniya-r `responsibility'
neoa amar pokhye shombhob noi, `moral' byaparta-r to noi-i. Ami
`aap ka ruchi' boley shetakey chheDe ditey taar cheye dher raji.
>ek magh-e sheet palay na |
palaley tomar rokto gorom kora chintagulo ki kaaje asto Sayan ?
Jahok sheet-er palanor asha jokhon nei, tokhon amii palai. :-)
Arnab.
BTW, tomar akta Z-tei amai onek Z - te peye boshechhe. Jet-lag chhaDatey
omon oshuder jobab nei kono. :-). Jai hok, dhonyobaad.
Naeem Mohaiemen
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> Kintu oporadhi boley tNar lekha chhapa jabena e byaparta
> ektu odbhut thyake.
ARnab ami e kotha bolini-- thumi ojotha gae pore jhogra lagathe
chaccho. Amar mool post i chilo defending his right to speech, but only
being disappointed that "progressive" pothrika thake soap-box dicche.
Ami boli ni chapa jabe-na. Thobe chepeche eta disappointing. Karon
mullyoban space-ta pro-feminist, anti-sexist element er ekta lekha chapa
jetho.
Hya bolthe paro, shob side represent korche, ar jodi shotthi ey
"bhoddor"lok er bipokkhe lekha-o chapa hoe thake, thahole at least
neutral AB ke shei credit dewa jai. Thobe jodi, at the expense of the
pro-feminist, anti-rape-culture, anti-male-violence articles thar
article chapa hoe thake, thahole sheta- ekta choice by AB, which I am
disappointed by.
Bohu din AB pori na, thai e khethre ASHOLE thara kothota neutral hocche,
amar jana nei. AMi shudhu ARnab ebong thar palta post gulo theke ja
glean korlam.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
HBO Interactive Media
_______________________________________________________
bhuth er mothon chehara thara
nirbodh othi ghor
ja kichu harai
ginni bolen
keshto betai chor..
Soumitra Bose
Progressive kothata ki Shleshatmok???
Anandobajar somosto potrika ke onurodh korechilo khobor take block
korbar jonne .Aajkaal tobuo Anandobajarer naam na niye songbad ti
chapai..
In <32D38A...@hbo.com> Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com>
writes:
>
>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>>
>> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
>> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
>> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo
Aami"
>> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
>
>> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
>
>Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith noi.
>
>Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta
platform
>dewa.
>
Soumitra Bose
A little correction Archaana Guha and Latika Guha , Not Niyogiis..
In <5b1rth$d...@bellboy.ucc.uconn.edu> agho...@eng2.uconn.edu (Anindya
Ghoshal) writes:
>
>Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: Naeem likhechhen:
>
>: >>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>: >>
>: >> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>: >
>: >> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the
blue
>: >> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>: >> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami,
Kalo Aami"
>: >> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
>: >
>: >> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
>: >
>: >Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith
noi.
>: >
>: >
>: >Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta
platform
>: >dewa.
>
>: Thik bojha gyalo na. Onakey jodi onar dik-ta boltey deoar odhikaar
>: mene nitey hoi, taholey Anadabajaar ki onyai korlen ? "freedom of
>: though" ebong "speech" ki gonomadhyom-er khetrey projojyo noi ?
>
>: Anyway, amar boktobyo chhilo je Runu Guho Niyogi-r lekha chhapaley
jodi
>: Anandabajaar-ke `rapist'der shomorthok bola jai, taholey shei ayki
>: jaigai dNaDiye Sumanbabu-r bhokto-ra Suman-er lekha chhapar jonye
>: Anandabajaar-ke "progressive" bolben to ? BTW, Suman `progressive'
>: eta `assume' korlam ekhaney - Sumanbabur bhoktoder apotti nei to ?
>
>Arnab, was browsing thru. this discussion and couldn't help
commenting.
>Of course Runu Guho-Niyogi has his right to express himself..and
Anandabazaar
Soumitra Bose
Jerry Macguire Cinema ta Dekhechho MAma, "show me the money " .
Anandobajarer kache rape eo poisha , abar Sumon eo poisha , majhe majhe
Amiyo Chattopadhyayer kobita teo poisha , Joya mitro te poisha abar
Chenal MAgi r Peter bhanje o poisha .......Kothata hochhe Runu boi bar
korchee , ar tar biruchhe protibaad korle Anandobajar Police ke nirdesh
pathacche kochua dholai deowar jonno ar onnanno kagoj guloke nirdesh
pathachhe songbad blackout korbar jonno .Okhanei ashol shrenichoritro
dhora pore .Rapist hochhye macho power er churanto epitome , jeta
institutional kora kayemi somajer lokho .Anandobajar setai kore .
In <5b0ft4$n...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) writes:
>
>Naeem likhechhen:
>
>>>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>>
>>> >The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the
blue
>>> >eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
>>> >intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo
Aami"
>>> >is the name of his forthcoming book.
>>
>>> Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o keDe neoa uchit.
>>
>>Kothata thik noi. Kotha bolar odhikar e hosthokhep kora uchith noi.
>>
>>
>>Thobe progressive pothrika'r uchith noi onake erokom bhabe ekta
platform
>>dewa.
>
>Thik bojha gyalo na. Onakey jodi onar dik-ta boltey deoar odhikaar
>mene nitey hoi, taholey Anadabajaar ki onyai korlen ? "freedom of
>though" ebong "speech" ki gonomadhyom-er khetrey projojyo noi ?
>
>Anyway, amar boktobyo chhilo je Runu Guho Niyogi-r lekha chhapaley
jodi
>Anandabajaar-ke `rapist'der shomorthok bola jai, taholey shei ayki
>jaigai dNaDiye Sumanbabu-r bhokto-ra Suman-er lekha chhapar jonye
>Anandabajaar-ke "progressive" bolben to ? BTW, Suman `progressive'
>eta `assume' korlam ekhaney - Sumanbabur bhoktoder apotti nei to ?
>
>Thanks,
>Arnab.
>
>
Soumitra Bose
In <5b3hbc$g...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) writes:
>
>Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
>
>>Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
commenting.
>>Of course Runu Guho-Niyogi has his right to express himself..and
Anandabazaar
>
>Thanks Anindya, tothwobohul lekhatar jonye. Jodi khub bhul na korey
thhaki
>Archana Guha Niyogi-r lekha amar Anandabajaar-e chokhey porechhe (ei
>muhurtey shon-tarikh janano shombhob noi). E chhaDao ei case-er upor
>bohu lekha (jar boktobyo Archana Guha Niyogi-r shopokhye jai, ebong
>shongoto karonei, etao maani) Anandabajaar prokashoni-r kagojey
>dekhechhi. Runu Guho Niyogi oporadhi nishchoi, court-eo ta proman
>hoyechhe. Kintu oporadhi boley tNar lekha chhapa jabena e byaparta
>ektu odbhut thyake. Aaro odbhut thyake jokhon dekhi shudhumatro
>ei aykta karoney kono kagoj-ke dayitwogyanheen bhabey galagal deoa
>hoi `rapist'der shomorthok boley. Anyway, ami amar nijer boktobyo
>janachhilum matro. Aar bishesh kichhu bolar nei e byapare.
>
>Thanks,
>Arnab.
>
Lekha chhaapa ek jinish , ar sei lekhar birudhhe chithipotro gulo na
chaapaano ar ek jinish. Lekha chaapano ar dharabahik bhabe Runu r boi
chaapano onno jinish . Hoito Anando Publishers i "Sada Ami KAlo Ami "
BAr korbe. Lekha chaapano ek jinish ar sei lekhar biruche protibaader
khobor black out kora o onnanno kagoj guloke lekha chaapaate baaron
korar onurosh kora onno jinish . Lekha chaapano ar protibaadi jubokke
ektu bhalo moto shikha dewonor poramorsho police ke dewoa ek kotha noi.
Rape o Rapist ke somorthon ekmatro prochhonno rapist rai kore . Rape
hochhey Machoo Corrupt power er epitome ekta bikrito manoshikota ,ja
ajker somoaje institutional korar prochesta achhe . Anondobajar si
institutionalisation er murto protiik.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Amar to mone hochche RGN-er lekhata chchapa hoyechchilo bolei ei
bitorkoti howar shujog pelo.
Shei shutre amra amader obosthan jene nilam, anek-e notun tothyo pelen,
keu keu hoyto jaanten-i na ki bhoyaboho otyachar-er shikar Archana...
Shoumyo.
Naeem Mohaiemen
Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
> Amar to mone hochche RGN-er lekhata chchapa hoyechchilo bolei ei
> bitorkoti howar shujog pelo.
Quite right.
> Shei shutre amra amader obosthan jene nilam, anek-e notun tothyo pelen,
obosthan khub ki janlam..shobai tho poseur shejeche.. [myself included]
> keu keu hoyto jaanten-i na ki bhoyaboho otyachar-er shikar Archana...
Definitely WB er onek day-to-day incidents amader jana nei. Majhe
modhhe SCBangladesh e post korle bhaloi hoi.
Bhalo kotha, Bd news amra oneke scbengali the cross-post kori, kinthu WB
er news majhe-moddhe post kora hoi na keno SCBangladesh e?
Ar kibhabei ba ey situation evolve korlo je, scbengali the shudhu WB-er
post hoi? Resent korchi na-- thobe byapar ta ektu odbhuth. Hoitho
Thinti board dorkar:
scbangladesh
scwbengal
scbengali
Thrithioti the aro onek beshi Dui-Bengal milie post howa dorkar
Comments?
Arnab Gupta
Naeem wrote:
>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>> Kintu oporadhi boley tNar lekha chhapa jabena e byaparta
>> ektu odbhut thyake.
>
>ARnab ami e kotha bolini-- thumi ojotha gae pore jhogra lagathe
>chaccho. Amar mool post i chilo defending his right to speech, but only
>being disappointed that "progressive" pothrika thake soap-box dicche.
>Ami boli ni chapa jabe-na. Thobe chepeche eta disappointing. Karon
>mullyoban space-ta pro-feminist, anti-sexist element er ekta lekha chapa
>jetho.
>
Kothata apnaar uddeshhe bola noi. Amar nijer kachhe `chhapata' dissapointing
noi, tobey content-ta hoito (ebar Kolkatai poDechhi prothom kistir lekhata).
Lekhatatey nijer kaaj dhak pitiye bolar beshi aar kichhu nei. Prothom
kisti-tatey Charu Majumdar-ke ki korey dhora holo shei niye detective
goppo lekha hoyechhe.
>Hya bolthe paro, shob side represent korche, ar jodi shotthi ey
>"bhoddor"lok er bipokkhe lekha-o chapa hoe thake, thahole at least
>neutral AB ke shei credit dewa jai. Thobe jodi, at the expense of the
>pro-feminist, anti-rape-culture, anti-male-violence articles thar
>article chapa hoe thake, thahole sheta- ekta choice by AB, which I am
>disappointed by.
>
ta thik hoini. Byabsha chaliye jototuku pro-feminist, anti-rape-culture,
ityadi shommondhhe alochona kora jai (khub gobhir alochona hoito noi
shobshomoi, sheta mani) sheta Anandabajaar-eo hoi. Anandabajaar dhoa
tulshipata noi, tobey `rape koratey Ananda' -ei chhaap ta dum korey
tar gharey chapanotao dayitwogyanheenota. Amar boktobyo: Runu Guho
Niyogi-r lekha chhaplei `rape' ke shamajik shikriti deoa hoina. Thik
jyamon Anandabajaar murtimaan `progressive' hoye jai na Joya Chatterjee-r
`Honyomaan'ke Ananda Puroshkaar diye, ba tNar lekha chhapiye.
..[deleted]..
Thanks,
Arnab.
>bhuth er mothon chehara thara
>nirbodh othi ghor
>ja kichu harai
>ginni bolen
>keshto betai chor..
`thara' (tahar ?) -er jaigai `jemon' hobey na ? Aar `keshto' naki
`keshta' ?
Partha Banerjee
In article <5b1ral$d3e$1...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
> Arnab Gupta <GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
> >Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> >>The infamous rapist of West-Bengal Police Runu Guha Neogi -the blue
> >>eyed boy of the mass murderer S.S.Ray , has become a sort of an
> >>intellectual . He is writing his auto-biography. "Saada Ami, Kalo Aami"
> >>is the name of his forthcoming book.
>
> >Bhari du:kher byapar. Shudhu lekha kyano, onar kotha bolar odhikaar-o
> >keDe neoa uchit.
>
> Arnab Gupta is firing sarcastic shots at a straw target.
>
---------
But Arnab Babu's sarcasm is unfortunate. In my opinion, he should have
restrained himself a little bit. Soumitra was talking about Runu Guha
Niyogi and his barbarism and Ananda Bazar's patronizing of him at present.
Anyone patronizing a barabaric man such as Guha Niyogi is to be
criticized.
_________
> >BTW, ebar Kolkatai dekhlam amader sub-altern hero, biplobi, shongrami
> >jibonmukhi gayok Sumanbabu aajkaal Anandabajar prokashon-er Sananda-te
> >lekhalekhi koren -`Pete gayen Pete Bayen'. `BAzar' bhaloi jachhe onar.
>
> Suman has done the right thing. He wants to reach people. Anandabazar
> is a mass circulation newspaper. If Anandabazar provides him a forum,
> why shouldn't he avail of it, as long as that enables him to send
> out his message to more people?
>
_________
I have a feeling that Ananda Bazar is trying to reach out to Suman and
thus his large number of young followers who shunned the paper for its
past mistreatment of Suman.
However, I don't think Ananda Bazar's character as an opportunist and
unethical corporate capitalist has changed or will change -- thus I have a
strong reservation about Suman writing for it (Sananda is an Ananda Bazar
production).
Arnab Gupta
Naeem likhechhen:
E bishoye alochona chalanor agroho aar nei. Shutorang shetuku baad dilam.
..[deleted]..
>> `Honyomaan'ke Ananda Puroshkaar diye
>
>Ey ghotana-ta ki?
Joya Mitra-r Nokshal jibon niye lekha atmojibonimulok uponyash
`Honyomaan' Ananda Puroshkaar peyechhilo, kon shaley thik mone
nei. Jaya Mitro-r lekha Anandabajaar prokashoni-r bohu kagojey
o potropotrikai prokashito hoye thhake. `Honyomaan' amar nijer
khub bhalo legechhilo, porey dekhtey paaren. Tobey onar porer
dikkar lekha besh aykgheyemi doshey dushto boley mone hoyechhe.
Anindya Ghoshal
Arnab Gupta (GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Thanks Anindya, tothwobohul lekhatar jonye. Jodi khub bhul na korey thhaki
: Archana Guha Niyogi-r lekha amar Anandabajaar-e chokhey porechhe (ei
: muhurtey shon-tarikh janano shombhob noi). E chhaDao ei case-er upor
: bohu lekha (jar boktobyo Archana Guha Niyogi-r shopokhye jai, ebong
: shongoto karonei, etao maani) Anandabajaar prokashoni-r kagojey
: dekhechhi. Runu Guho Niyogi oporadhi nishchoi, court-eo ta proman
: hoyechhe. Kintu oporadhi boley tNar lekha chhapa jabena e byaparta
: ektu odbhut thyake. Aaro odbhut thyake jokhon dekhi shudhumatro
: ei aykta karoney kono kagoj-ke dayitwogyanheen bhabey galagal deoa
: hoi `rapist'der shomorthok boley. Anyway, ami amar nijer boktobyo
: janachhilum matro. Aar bishesh kichhu bolar nei e byapare.
I haven't read AnandaBazaar Potrika for a longtime now so I cannot vouch
for the fact whether it did/did not carry a large newsitem on the
case especially
in the nineties..but before that I don't remember seeing, excepting a detailed
article in The Statesman, any of the mainstream newspaper carrying a detailed
news-item on the above specific case. Runu Guha Niyogi was found guilty
by the High Court lately but I don't know what the verdict was and what
his punishment was. Do you know whether he was sentenced??
Anyway I'm in full agreement with you that AnandaBazaar is not wrong
in providing Runu Guha Neogy a platform for his writing..and also Mr.
Niyogi has his rights to express himself publicly..but what makes
me upset when I find how casually the mainstream media glossed o'er
the widespread human rights abuses committed by the Govt. and the
Cong. goons in the late '60s and early '70s..but lest if everyone
think that CPI(M) was above the whole ball-game..let us not forget
that during United Front's time, it all started when Jyoti Baboos'
party's student wing SFI members walked into Eden Hostel, beat up
the residents and killed six of them, allegedly Naxals..
and the rest is history.. The fact remains the human rights issue
is so much unimportant and human lives are regarded as to so cheap
in Bengal/India that there had been not a single prosecution of the officials
or the politicians who committed these widespread abuses?? How come
there was not a single effort made to talk to the youth then?? Instead
they were either exterminated, exiled or imprisoned..And the Press who
are supposed to be guardians of Democracy failed in their duty
miserably. The problem is Runu Guha Niyogi was the symbol of this
oppression that took place ..probably a very small pawn in the whole
ball-game. Whilst everybody knew and it is widespreadly reported that
'71 elections was heavily rigged by IG and her SS Ray led Cong. goons..
even Jyoti Basu withdrew his candidature by the noon of the voting day..
how come none of the people who abused the electoral process weren't
prosecuted and debarred from participation of the electoral process in
future.?? This had been a great failure of our democracy which had
been abused by the politicians..harrassment of Bengalis went up to
the highest echelons of the Administration where even high ranking
Bengali IAS officers were branded as Commies and shunted out and harrassed.
While extremism/terrorism in Naxalism deserves condemnation and so
does their killings, burning books etal..but the Govt. been a responsible
body deserves much further condemnation in the way it carried out
the extermination of a whole generation of youth of Bengal..
And unfortunately I'ven't seen any retribution on the people who committed
the crimes..especially when people like SS Ray were rewarded with
Ambassador-ship to USA and rest of the stuff..And the Press failed
the country in its role for upholding individual freedom and human
rights. And I sometimes wonder how could Bengalis forget the whole
mayhem, so easily and there is still no effort made to bring them to books..
I myself have no problems with AnandaBazaar Patrika..although I preferred
reading The Statesman for news-items as I didn't think ABP is any good
as a newspaper..but its Robi-bashoriyo, daily Editorial columns and the
Monday inside page "Sonbad korcha(?)" always attracted me.. the only
quarrel I had with Desh is that it never gave any prominence to Sarat
Chandra while devoting issues after issues on Bankim and Rabindranath..
and also it would do Bengali literature a lot good if it starts opening
up its literary horizons to the budding writers from the little magazines..
other than that I think ABP had made quite a few good contributions to the
Bengali society..even their business empire should be an example
for budding Bengali entreprenuers...
Naeem Mohaiemen
Arnab Gupta wrote:
> Charu Majumdar-ke ki korey dhora holo shei niye detective
> goppo lekha hoyechhe.
Ebong hotthya?
> ta thik hoini. Byabsha chaliye jototuku pro-feminist, anti-rape-culture,
> ityadi shommondhhe alochona kora jai (khub gobhir alochona hoito noi
> shobshomoi, sheta mani) sheta Anandabajaar-eo hoi.
Hothe pare. Ami ekhane pai na thai bohudin pori nai.
> Runu Guho
> Niyogi-r lekha chhaplei `rape' ke shamajik shikriti deoa hoina.
Na, thobe dhorshonkari-ke shikrithi dewa hocche?
> `Honyomaan'ke Ananda Puroshkaar diye
Ey ghotana-ta ki?
> >bhuth er mothon chehara thara
> >nirbodh othi ghor
> >ja kichu harai
> >ginni bolen
> >keshto betai chor..
>
> `thara' (tahar ?) -er jaigai `jemon' hobey na ? Aar `keshto' naki
> `keshta' ?
Shob correction i thik. Amar shomosshya holo, mogoj e shob kichu atke
thake-- kinthu ulta-palta
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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An excellent and impassioned article by Anindya.
In my opinion, if there were any way to criminalize the *real* criminals,
then we would brand Indira Gandhi, Siddhartha Shankar Ray, Jyoti Basu, and
the Ananda Bazar Patrika for their life-long misdeeds to demoralize,
oppress and exterminate a whole generation of Bengali youths.
I lived through the horror of the late sixties and early/mid seventies. I
have lost close friends because of the terror of Congress and CPM. My
elder-brother-like uncle (35-year old -- I was 27) was a victim -- he was
found shot-dead in his New Secretariat office.
The Naxalites also wanted to get me for my then-association with the RSS
and its student wing and my support of the Bangladesh freedome struggle
that they rejected because of China -- so I have reservation about the
Naxals of those times too.
However, we can't perhaps bring Jyoti Babu or Siddhartha Shankar or
Ananada Bazar maaliks to justice. And Indira Gandhi is gone. Therefore, we
need to find other symbols of those terrors such as Runu and expose them
and humiliate them. That's all we can do. Let's do that.
We can ridicule Ananda Bazar for their unethical corporate greed and
associated patronizing of thugs -- they deserve public ridicule. We can
also ridicule the large "mainstream" Bengali community of the USA -- they
invited Jyoti Babu and Siddhartha Babu to their New York Bengali Mela and
gave them a red-carpet welcome. We can also ridicule singers such as Anup
Ghoshal who publicly called S.S.Ray to be a "pride of Bengal" at the same
NY Mela of 1995 -- I was there.
Similarly, whenever it's possible, we can expose and humiliate the other
criminals and let the present generation know what they actually stand for
-- fascism, unprincipled politics, immorality.
sayan bhattacharyya
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Amar to mone hochche RGN-er lekhata chchapa hoyechchilo bolei ei
>bitorkoti howar shujog pelo.
>
>Shei shutre amra amader obosthan jene nilam, anek-e notun tothyo pelen,
>keu keu hoyto jaanten-i na ki bhoyaboho otyachar-er shikar Archana...
Shoumyo makes a good point. However, I think that the issue is not so
simple.
Note Shoumyo's use of the word "amra" ["we"] in the second sentence.
Who constitute the "we" in the second sentence, who were able to use
this opportunity to inform ourselves about the facts and to generate a
discussion? The "we" here are the readers of s.c.b., who have access to
this incredible late-twentieth-century phenomenon called the internet,
we who are, in a very real sense, the privileged information elite (I
am using the word "elite" without any negative connotation here).
The power of the net is that participants are not only
consumers of information but also generators of information. The
net is dialogical, it enables one to participate in dialogue, and
the flow of information is back and forth, both ways, not one-way
from generator to consumer as it is in the case of information
purveyed by corporate entities like mass media or giant newspaper
houses. For example, at least one participant (Samir B) in this
discussion did not have prior information about the Archana Guha
case, and through this discussion he was enlightened about the
facts of the case, so that he can now think and form an opinion
of his own.
The crucial point, however -- and what partially negates Shoumyo's
assertion above -- is that by far the vast majority of Anandabazar's
readers do NOT have access to truly democratic discussion forums
like the internet. Unlike us (and a very very small minority of
people in India) who have privileged access to the latest in information
technology, the flow of information for most people is one-way. For
example, if Samir B had been in India and not been on the net, he would
have been left with only Anandabazar's version of the story. This is
true for the vast majority of Anandabazar's readers (and it reaches
a wide audience, being a mass circulation newspaper). This is precisely
the way in which, even in so-called democracies, the State and private
corporations, through their near-monopoly on the dissemination of
information, subtly shape public opinion (something which is done
more overtly in openly totalitarian states, but the process is the
one and the same). Noam Chomsky calls this "the manufacture of consent",
and analyses this beautifully in his book with the same name.
In George Orwell's "Animal Farm", all animals were equal but some animals
were "more equal" than others. In today's world, everyone supposedly
has the same freedom of speech, but, following Orwell, we might say
that some people have "more freedom of speech" than others. In the
present case, for example, because of his power, position and influence,
Officer Runu Guhoniyogi is much better able to exercise his freedom of
speech and has more means of doing so (better platforms at his disposal)
than does his victims, even though, theoretically, everyone in the
constitution is guarnateed the same freedom of speech.
To take another instance, we all know that the police in Calcutta
routinely harrass pavement dwellers and extort money from them. Have
you ever seen a pavement dweller writing about this in Anandabazar
about this? Not bloody likely. For one thing, the victim here is
probably illiterate, and thus, even though theoretically she has
the same constitutional rights as everyone else, real practical
circumstances of inequality conspire to ensure that her voice will
be effectively silence.
So what is the solution? As Arnab and Naeem have rightly pointed
out, limiting the freedom of speech of people like Officer
Guhaniyogi cannot be the solution. Indeed, the solution is not to
_curtail_ the freedoms of the already-powerful, but to _expand_ the
possibility of the powerless to exercise their theoretically guaranteed
freedoms, in a practical way. How can this be done? Like most
everything in life, there are no easy solutions. At the risk of :-)
sounding like a hoarse voice on a broken record (regular readers
of scb have already second-guessed what I am going to say), I submit
that only the creation of a more just, more egalitarian, and in a
true sense more democratic, society, can guarantee that freedom of
speech will be more than paper promise to the vast majority of society's
constituents. We all have differences of opinion about how to get
from here to there, but I hope we all at least agree that getting
there is important.
-Sayan.
sayan bhattacharyya
sayan bhattacharyya <bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu> wrote:
>
>In George Orwell's "Animal Farm", all animals were equal but some animals
>were "more equal" than others. In today's world, everyone supposedly
>has the same freedom of speech, but, following Orwell, we might say
>that some people have "more freedom of speech" than others. In the
>present case, for example, because of his power, position and influence,
>Officer Runu Guhoniyogi is much better able to exercise his freedom of
>speech and has more means of doing so (better platforms at his disposal)
>than does his victims, even though, theoretically, everyone in the
>constitution is guarnateed the same freedom of speech.
After the fall of the Paris Commune in 1871, a French worker who had
fought at the barricades in the defence of the Paris Commune was on the
run from the authorities. While a fugitive, he wrote a song which was
to become famous and justly celebrated as a song that inspired people
who struggled for justice everywhere in the world. The name of this
song was L'Internationale, translated into English as "The Internationale".
Kazi Nazrul Islam translated the song into Bengali and Hemanga Biswas
recorded it.
In that song, there occurs a line which sums up the idea expressed in
the quoted paragraph above, very succintly:
"Freedom is but privilege extended,
UNLESS it is shared by one and all."
"odhikar osamyer-i namantor
jodi na sobai taar ongshidaar"
(my translation)
Freedom, including the freedom of speech, has to be available
to EVERYONE, in both theory and in practive, in order for it to
be meaningful. If, because of massive social inequalities, it
turns out that only the powerful can wield their freedom of speech
and the voice of the powerless are effectively silent, then the
nominal right to freedom of speech becomes yet another instrument
through which the powerful perpetuate their hegemony over the
powerless.
Udayan Chattopadhyay
In article <32D65E...@hbo.com>, naeem.m...@hbo.com says...
>
>
>Thinti board dorkar:
>scbangladesh
>scwbengal
>scbengali
>
>Thrithioti the aro onek beshi Dui-Bengal milie post howa dorkar
>
>Comments?
>Naeem Mohaiemen
>HBO Interactive Media
Excellent idea.
How about a show of support to ascertain whether or not it's worth actively
pursuing the idea?
Udayan
Anindya Ghoshal
In article <5b4omv$e...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
soum...@ix.netcom.com(Soumitra Bose) wrote:
>
> A little correction Archaana Guha and Latika Guha , Not Niyogiis..
>
I get confused always about their last names..I guess it
is Guha-Niyogi..but then I maybe confusing the last names
of the main protaganists involved in the incident.
rgds,
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In article <32D65E...@hbo.com>,
naeem.m...@homebox.com wrote:
>
> Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>
> > Amar to mone hochche RGN-er lekhata chchapa hoyechchilo bolei ei
> > bitorkoti howar shujog pelo.
>
>
> > Shei shutre amra amader obosthan jene nilam, anek-e notun tothyo pelen,
>
>
>
> modhhe SCBangladesh e post korle bhaloi hoi.
>
> Bhalo kotha, Bd news amra oneke scbengali the cross-post kori, kinthu WB
> er news majhe-moddhe post kora hoi na keno SCBangladesh e?
>
> Ar kibhabei ba ey situation evolve korlo je, scbengali the shudhu WB-er
> post hoi? Resent korchi na-- thobe byapar ta ektu odbhuth. Hoitho
> scbangladesh
> scwbengal
> scbengali
>
> Thrithioti the aro onek beshi Dui-Bengal milie post howa dorkar
>
> Comments?
> --
> Naeem Mohaiemen
> HBO Interactive Media
scbangladesh toiri holo keno ? Jodi scbengali -te Bangladeshi-der kaaj chole
jeto, tahole oi prothom-tir dorkar hoto na. Dui Banglar jonno duti news-group :
Bangladesh-er jonno scbangladesh aar poshchim Bonger jonno scbengali.
Ete eto apotti ba aschorjo howar to kichhu nei.
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> >scwbengal
> >scbengali
> >
> >Thrithioti the aro onek beshi Dui-Bengal milie post howa dorkar
> >
> >Comments?
> >--
> >Naeem Mohaiemen
> >HBO Interactive Media
>
> How about a show of support to ascertain whether or not it's worth actively
> pursuing the idea?
>
eta ekta obhyesher byapar kore nilei hoi.
soum...@ix.netcom.com
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Naeem wrote:
>
> >Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >> ektu odbhut thyake.
> >
> >chaccho. Amar mool post i chilo defending his right to speech, but only
> >being disappointed that "progressive" pothrika thake soap-box dicche.
> >Ami boli ni chapa jabe-na. Thobe chepeche eta disappointing. Karon
> >mullyoban space-ta pro-feminist, anti-sexist element er ekta lekha chapa
> >jetho.
> >
>
> Kothata apnaar uddeshhe bola noi. Amar nijer kachhe `chhapata' dissapointing
> noi, tobey content-ta hoito (ebar Kolkatai poDechhi prothom kistir lekhata).
> Lekhatatey nijer kaaj dhak pitiye bolar beshi aar kichhu nei. Prothom
> goppo lekha hoyechhe.
>
> >"bhoddor"lok er bipokkhe lekha-o chapa hoe thake, thahole at least
> >neutral AB ke shei credit dewa jai. Thobe jodi, at the expense of the
> >pro-feminist, anti-rape-culture, anti-male-violence articles thar
> >article chapa hoe thake, thahole sheta- ekta choice by AB, which I am
> >disappointed by.
> >
>
> ityadi shommondhhe alochona kora jai (khub gobhir alochona hoito noi
> tulshipata noi, tobey `rape koratey Ananda' -ei chhaap ta dum korey
> tar gharey chapanotao dayitwogyanheenota. Amar boktobyo: Runu Guho
> Niyogi-r lekha chhaplei `rape' ke shamajik shikriti deoa hoina. Thik
> jyamon Anandabajaar murtimaan `progressive' hoye jai na Joya Chatterjee-r
> `Honyomaan'ke Ananda Puroshkaar diye, ba tNar lekha chhapiye.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Arnab.
>
> >nirbodh othi ghor
> >ja kichu harai
> >ginni bolen
> >keshto betai chor..
>
> `thara' (tahar ?) -er jaigai `jemon' hobey na ? Aar `keshto' naki
Boris Makarevitch
I didn't get time to read Anindyo's earlier posting, though the last one
was excellent, Also Partha has pulled up some relevant issues. Those
days of late sixties and early seventies seems to mean different to
those who lived through the period, and those not.
Whatever liberty of speech means, and whatever freedom RGN or so to say
any body might have, the issue here is the attempt of glorification of a
criminal in the uniform. No doubt, Indira, SSRoy, Jyoti Babu all are a
part of the story of how the backbone of a generation of Bengali youth
was broken; RGN, Sunil Choudhury etc. were the instruments of it. But
that does not dilute their contribution to it.
I also lived through my adolescence in the late 60's, early seventies.
There was not a single day I didn't hear, a known boy was dead some
where arround; by police, by party cadres, in infightings amongst
criminals and wagon breakers.... And they were between 15-22! Probably
the rage I feel, nobody sympathised them, and the callus Bengali psyche
that forgotten the period; in all possibilities, this time is like a
chiller or horror novel, which present day Bengali will relish to read
RGN with a tinge of perversion!
I disagree to Partha in one issue. It is not a matter of catching and
humiliating RGN, 'cause we can't touch IG, SSRoy, or JB. ABP already
started glorifying JB, I read some articles in Desh recently (I don't
remember the date though); IG is some how in oblivion, SSRoy is
politically virtually dead, now it glamourises the most notorious and
cruel police criminal before SSGill!
And I'm afraid, the present day Bengali society will relish it! Like
scratching patches of ringworm...
Partha Banerjee wrote:
>
> An excellent and impassioned article by Anindya.
...del...
> The Naxalites also wanted to get me for my then-association with the RSS
> and its student wing and my support of the Bangladesh freedome struggle
> that they rejected because of China -- so I have reservation about the
> Naxals of those times too.
I have reservations for the naxalites as well; for their ideological
dogma, for their actions, and their ideosyncracies, the same way I
despise any CPM. But that does not mean we should take others actions
lightly.
>
> However, we can't perhaps bring Jyoti Babu or Siddhartha Shankar or
> Ananada Bazar maaliks to justice. And Indira Gandhi is gone. Therefore, we
> need to find other symbols of those terrors such as Runu and expose them
> and humiliate them. That's all we can do. Let's do that.
>
> We can ridicule Ananda Bazar for their unethical corporate greed and
> associated patronizing of thugs -- they deserve public ridicule. We can
> also ridicule the large "mainstream" Bengali community of the USA -- they
> invited Jyoti Babu and Siddhartha Babu to their New York Bengali Mela and
> gave them a red-carpet welcome. We can also ridicule singers such as Anup
> Ghoshal who publicly called S.S.Ray to be a "pride of Bengal" at the same
> NY Mela of 1995 -- I was there.
>
> Similarly, whenever it's possible, we can expose and humiliate the other
> criminals and let the present generation know what they actually stand for
> -- fascism, unprincipled politics, immorality.
Its not a matter of redicule; you can't do anything by rediculing these
guys, other than gaining sympathy for them. Public memory is short and
that's why, the "mainstream Bengali" community provided a red carpet
welcomed SSR and JB, to satisfythe organisers' "look what we've done!"
ego. 'Cause, some of us are in US, catching up with upper echelon of the
society doesn't give us the right to forget a lot of our contemporaries,
who were killed by these goons, and rub our shouylder with them....
We're humiliating ourselves.
Dadu.
--
Boris Makarevitch tel: +358 9 451 23 52
Helsinki University of Technology fax: +358 9 451 23 45
Communications Laboratory mailto:bo...@hut.fi
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S Bhattacharyya
asi...@atrmail2.attmail.com writes:
>In article <32D65E...@hbo.com>,
> naeem.m...@homebox.com wrote:
>>
>> Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>>
>> > Amar to mone hochche RGN-er lekhata chchapa hoyechchilo bolei ei
>> > bitorkoti howar shujog pelo.
>>
>> Quite right.
>>
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>> Thrithioti the aro onek beshi Dui-Bengal milie post howa dorkar
>>
>> Comments?
>> --
>> Naeem Mohaiemen
>> HBO Interactive Media
>scbangladesh toiri holo keno ? Jodi scbengali -te Bangladeshi-der kaaj chole
>jeto, tahole oi prothom-tir dorkar hoto na. Dui Banglar jonno duti news-group :
>Bangladesh-er jonno scbangladesh aar poshchim Bonger jonno scbengali.
I am afraid you are quite misinformed. SCBengali was created for bengalees
worldwide. Hence the lack of WB or India in the name. Eyi debate
jakhan abar matha-chaRa dichhe takhan jar kacche charter achhe abar
daya kore post kore din, bhayi!
If I recall right, the charter for SCBengali specifically
discourages political discussions. In retrospect, that seems
pointless. I guess we failed to recognise that the quintissential bengalee
is lost without his/her political color.
Santanu
Tablaguy
Arnab ebong Sayan er lekhagulo porchilum.
Suman C. kintu aaj theke Anandabajar gosthi -r shonge jukta non - ei
patrika te uni onek din agei choddonaame likhten. Apnara janen kina janina
onek din aage Desh potrika te "Durer Janala" bole dhara bahik bhabe lekha
beruto Manab Mitra r Naame. Manab Mitra holo Suman Babu r onyo
(Choddonaam) naam. America te boshe uni ei naam byabohaar korten taar
karon uni nijei kolkatai ekti concert e bolechen. Markini Samrajyobadi ra,
onr bhasai, onke Voice of America te chakri korar doulat -e freedom of
expreesion theke bonchito koreche ebong onek bhabe exploit koreche. Tai
Chhaddonnaam nite hoyeche.
Thought this will help to make this conversation "pranobanto".
d