Rabindranath, Chaturanga o Ritwik Ghatak
Arnab Gupta
Atanu Pal shompadito "Ritwik kumar Ghatak" boiti Samirda (Samir
Bhattacharya)-r kolyane haate eshechhe . Dwitiyo porichhed-e
aachhe Ritwik-er ekTi shakshatkaar. Proshnogulo besh akorshoniyo |
Uttorgulo pNaachmeshali - kokhono taar maane hoi, kokhono hoi
na..besh kichhu jaigai oshonglogno, kono kono khetrey pathok-paThikar
pet phete hashi astey paare (bodhoi neshar jhNokey deoa shakshatkaar)|
Rabindranath-er Chaturanga niye Ritwik-er chhobi korar ichchha chhilo.
Shey proshonge Ritwik janachchhen:
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proshno: rabindranather kono kahini niye kaaj korar ichchhe ?
uttor: rabibabur `chaturanga' niye shomosto lekha shesh hoye
giyechhilo,byabsha hobar bishoy | je loktaar shonge korlaam, amar kopal
Thik, ...`chaturanga' niye, amar kopal shob shomoi kharap | Aar, one of
the highest gentlemen in film line - ebong prachur Taka-wala lok - amar
shonge `chaturanga'-er shomosto final holo | Bishnu Dey mashai - kobi
Bishnu Dey, tini byaparTa paka korey dilen | Karon, Bishnu Dey-richhatro
tini - Hemen Ganguli | Kintu shesh porjonto...ami kortey pari ni |
rabibabur `chaturanga'Ta amar...rabibabur pray protyekTa uponyaash-i to
nyaka-nyaka uponyash, maane otyonto baaje class-er, bhadralok to
uponyash likhtey jaanten na | hNya, kintu oi `chaturanga'Ta aykTa
phaTiyechhilen | Maane onobodyo bolle aar ki hobe ! maane bangla bhashar
(je) matro chartey uponyash-er moddhe ekTa, oi oiTi | `chaturanga'r
Damini, jyaThamoshai, Sribilash ityadi ityadi - e maane bhabai jai na |
to oiTa aami likhe-phike ready korlam | (kintu) hemenbabu paTolified,
paTol pluck korlen | ki kora jaabe aar!
proshno: aar tinTey uponyaash ki ?
uttor: amader banglabhashai ? Manikbabur `Putul Nacher Itikotha' aar
Rabibabur `Chaturanga', Bankimbabur `Raajshingho' aar jaakey boley
shottikarer uponyaash |
proshno: aarekTa ?
uttor: aarekTa hochchhe Tarashankarda-r - shey bhadralok-o mara gyachhen
- `Ganadebota' | ei koTa | aar banglashahitye kono uponyaash-Tuponyaash
boley kono podartho nei | eishob bechchhe, cholchhe | chirokaal jaa
meyera dupurbyalai, grishmer dupure, gaa aadur korey, shwamike bajarey
paThiye ki office-e paThiye, upuR kore baalish niye dupurbyala ghumobaar
jonye poRe, ei maane khaowa daowaar pore - eito ekhonkaar lekha baowa !
(hashyo) `aaronyok' uchchhaash-e bhorti | great lekha, kintu byapar
hochchhe uchchhaashe borti | ei chartey uponyaash, right mapa byapar |
maane, shahityik dik thheke e charter oporey aar nei |
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Thanks,
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
Arnab Gupta <gup...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
[...]
> ei chartey uponyaash, right mapa byapar |
> maane, shahityik dik thheke e charter oporey aar nei |
Ritwik-er mukhe porimiti-bodh-er proshongsha!!! Ei maapkaathi-te
to onaar nijer odhikangsho chhobi-i to "chhobi noy".
Aajkaal-er shesh pujoshongkhya-y Ritwik-er opor Tushar Talukdar-er
akta lekha aachhe. Muloto: "Ritwik-da koto maal kheten" type-er lekha
hole-o koyekta interesting anecdotes aachhe.
Sambit Basu
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Sambit Basu wrote:
> Aajkaal-er shesh pujoshongkhya-y Ritwik-er opor Tushar Talukdar-er
> akta lekha aachhe. Muloto: "Ritwik-da koto maal kheten" type-er lekha
> hole-o koyekta interesting anecdotes aachhe.
Bishesh kore eita moja legechche je uni "Titash Ekti Nodir Naam"
uponyash-take otyonto 'kNacha haater lekha' EBONG 'khNati' mone korten.
Ar, Manikbabur "Chinho" uponyashtikeo "oshadharoN"-er list-e
rekhechchilen. Shutorang onar list-ta aro boRo hoyechchilo mone hoy,
ontoto porer dike.
Alochonar proshNo : KNacha haater khNati lekha, paka haater bhejal
lekha, kNacha haater bhejal lekha, ar paka haater khNati lekha - er
kichchu kichchu udahoron pathok dite paren, apon apon ruchi onujayi ?
Oboshyo dui nombor gotro-ta "un-interesting".
Shoumyo.
Soumitra Bose
Tushar |Talukdar ti Keda???? Oi police byata noito , ajkaal to abaar
pulush babajibonera sahityo o kore thaken . Kimba TATA r bhashai bolte
hoi "Tnara Danda niyeo ghure beran ar ki "
Ta se jai hok , amar kintu mone hoi Tushar babur description about Titash
is perfect. Eto sohoje eto appropriate description hoi na .
Titash ekebare uchhash ar charged dream e bhorti . nijer fantasy ke gache
tule swapner sagare shobaike ghar dhore dubiye dewoar moto , tobe Hyan
seta genuine urge theke , ba genuine swapner protik , tai seta KhNati o
bote . Titasher modhye ei naive Khantitto kintu Komolgandhar er chaiteo
beshi . Komolgandhar amar kache besh bhalo lagleo mone hoechhe jeno
Communist party r bullet head guloke fill up kore lekha jetar aro onek
crude rup dekhaken Utpal Dutta tnar porichalonai kichu cinema r modhye
(jeta te Sekhar nayok chilen -oouufff????- ekebare choke phela choritro )
PAka hater genuine kaaj bolte amar kache Ritwiker Subarnorekha ba
shobchaite beshi Ojantrik ke mone hoi . Alienation bostu ta bodhoi oNr
chaite bangla cinemate ar keu bhalo kore bojhen ni .
Kancha hater bhejal lekha to seguloi jegulo Ritwik refer korechhen.
Paka hater bhejal ba bodmaieshhi lekha bolte amar mone hoi Mrinal Sen er
PoroshuRam boita (jeta uni cinema koren - boita bodhoi oNr lekha noi)..
Partha Chatterjee
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
> >
> > Sambit Basu wrote:
> >
> > > Aajkaal-er shesh pujoshongkhya-y Ritwik-er opor Tushar Talukdar-er
> > > akta lekha aachhe. Muloto: "Ritwik-da koto maal kheten" type-er lekha
> > > hole-o koyekta interesting anecdotes aachhe.
> >
> > Bishesh kore eita moja legechche je uni "Titash Ekti Nodir Naam"
> > uponyash-take otyonto 'kNacha haater lekha' EBONG 'khNati' mone korten.
> > Ar, Manikbabur "Chinho" uponyashtikeo "oshadharoN"-er list-e
> > rekhechchilen. Shutorang onar list-ta aro boRo hoyechchilo mone hoy,
> > ontoto porer dike.
> >
> > Alochonar proshNo : KNacha haater khNati lekha, paka haater bhejal
> > lekha, kNacha haater bhejal lekha, ar paka haater khNati lekha - er
> > kichchu kichchu udahoron pathok dite paren, apon apon ruchi onujayi ?
> > Oboshyo dui nombor gotro-ta "un-interesting".
> >
> > Shoumyo.
>
> Tushar |Talukdar ti Keda???? Oi police byata noito , ajkaal to abaar
> pulush babajibonera sahityo o kore thaken . Kimba TATA r bhashai bolte
> hoi "Tnara Danda niyeo ghure beran ar ki "
>
> Ta se jai hok , amar kintu mone hoi Tushar babur description about Titash
> is perfect. Eto sohoje eto appropriate description hoi na .
Ami post gulo poRey bujhtey parchhi na 'Titash' shankranto uktita kar
Ritwick'er na Tushar Talukdarer?
> Titash ekebare uchhash ar charged dream e bhorti . nijer fantasy ke gache
Ami thik mantey parlam na - Subarnarekha, Ajantrik, Meghey Dhaka Tara'r
motoi Titash Ritwick'er baRo maper kaj. Amar Titash dekhey maney
hoyechhey akta birat panoramic byapar, akta epic(janina epic-tepic eney
phyala'ta thik holo kina?). Tabey ami Titash dekhechhi 1978'e -
khNutinati kichhui maney nei, kintu visuals dekhey obhibhuto hoyechhilam
maney acchhey ar sound-track khub kharap chhilo. Amar jodio bhalo
lageni, kintu shei shomoi Gautam Bhadra'r akta lekha "Titash - Malor
chokhey ar modhyobitto buddhijibir chokhey" (jatodur maney paRey,
patrikata chhilo Chitrokalpo) - tatey erokom khNati bhyajal ei shab
katha eshechhilo.
> tule swapner sagare shobaike ghar dhore dubiye dewoar moto , tobe Hyan
> seta genuine urge theke , ba genuine swapner protik , tai seta KhNati o
> bote . Titasher modhye ei naive Khantitto kintu Komolgandhar er chaiteo
> beshi . Komolgandhar amar kache besh bhalo lagleo mone hoechhe jeno
> Communist party r bullet head guloke fill up kore lekha jetar aro onek
Etao mana gyalo na - ajker diney Komal Gandhar dekhley anek khsetrei
abegdhormi ba otinatokiyo maney hoi, kintu poriprekhsit'ta bhebey
dekhley byaparta onyo rokom. Bamponthi shangshkritik dalgulotey jara
chhilo (panchash, shatt ba shottorer dashaker shesh dikey) - tader
anekei akta kalpo jagatey thakto - Komal Gandhar shei shob
contradiction'eri prokash.
> crude rup dekhaken Utpal Dutta tnar porichalonai kichu cinema r modhye
> (jeta te Sekhar nayok chilen -oouufff????- ekebare choke phela choritro )
>
Utpal Dutta'r kon cinema'r review'er headline jyano chhilo - 'Bangla
chalachitrer kamal boney motto hostir probesh" ? Bhodrolok'er cinema
direction'er byaparta niye kono serious alochonai hotey pare ki?
> PAka hater genuine kaaj bolte amar kache Ritwiker Subarnorekha ba
> shobchaite beshi Ojantrik ke mone hoi . Alienation bostu ta bodhoi oNr
> chaite bangla cinemate ar keu bhalo kore bojhen ni .
>
Bangla cinematey akmatro Ritwick'er chhobigulor pechhonei tar
srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono cholochitrokarer
byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina. Amar kachhey
Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' - etakey obyshyo ar
adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
adhuniktamo parichalok.
> Kancha hater bhejal lekha to seguloi jegulo Ritwik refer korechhen.
>
> Paka hater bhejal ba bodmaieshhi lekha bolte amar mone hoi Mrinal Sen er
> PoroshuRam boita (jeta uni cinema koren - boita bodhoi oNr lekha noi)..
Parasuram bhyajal kirey - ota khNati bhushi . Amar maney achhey ota
dekhiye akta alochona hochhilo Jadavpurey, shobai khub galagali
korchhilo ar Mrinalbabu defend korchhilen - hathat akjon (bartamaney
JU'tey odhyapok) othey dNariye bollo apni 'Dhritarashtra Complex'e
bhugchhen, Mrinal Sen tatey jodio shanghatik chotey jan, kintu
expression'ta khub apt maney hoyechhilo.
Boyesh hochhey bujhtey parchhi, noirbyaktik alochana kortey parchhi na -
anecdotes eshey jachhey, tai thamlam.
- Partha
Arnab Gupta
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
..[deleted]..
> > Tushar |Talukdar ti Keda???? Oi police byata noito , ajkaal to abaar
> > pulush babajibonera sahityo o kore thaken . Kimba TATA r bhashai bolte
> > hoi "Tnara Danda niyeo ghure beran ar ki "
> >
> > Ta se jai hok , amar kintu mone hoi Tushar babur description about Titash
> > is perfect. Eto sohoje eto appropriate description hoi na .
>
> Ami post gulo poRey bujhtey parchhi na 'Titash' shankranto uktita kar
> Ritwick'er na Tushar Talukdarer?
>
OTa "Titash..." uponyash shomporke Ritwik-er montobyo.
..[deleted]..
> > PAka hater genuine kaaj bolte amar kache Ritwiker Subarnorekha ba
> > shobchaite beshi Ojantrik ke mone hoi . Alienation bostu ta bodhoi oNr
> > chaite bangla cinemate ar keu bhalo kore bojhen ni .
> >
>
> Bangla cinematey akmatro Ritwick'er chhobigulor pechhonei tar
> srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono cholochitrokarer
> byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina.
ETa bodhoi aykTa bitorker bishoy hotey paare. ETa Thik, Ritwik-er
chhobite tNaar dwondo-shonkot (ebong "obsession") jebabey dhora
porey (kono kono khetrey prokoTbhabey) onyoder chhobitey ta otoTa
sposhTo noi, tobu kachhakachhi bodhoi Buddhadeb Dasgupta aashtey paaren.
Satyajit-er shesher chhobiguliteo (Ganashatru, Shakha Proshakha o
Agantuk) ei ayki byapar lokkhho kora jai.
Amar kachhey
> Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' -
`nouvelle vague' naamTa byabohaar kora hoi ayk cholochchitro
andolon-ke bojhatey jaar shob porichalokera kintu style ebong
motadorshe besh onekkhanii sbatantra chhilen ayke oporer thheke |
Shudhu France-er khetrei noi, shottor-er doshoker bharotiyo
"new wave"er porichalokder khetreo ayki kotha projojyo.
Tai ekhetrey ki boltey chaichhen Thik porishkaar holo na |
etakey obyshyo ar
> adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
> holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
> adhuniktamo parichalok.
>
shilpe jaake "adhunik" bola hoi (jyamon "adhunik" kobita ba "adhunik"
chhobi) shei orthey Ritwik-ke ki Thik "adhunik" bola jai ?
..[deleted]..
Thanks,
Arnab.
Soumitra Bose
Serokom kore adhunik er kono generic domain definition achhe ki ,
protykti medium ek bishesh dhoroner adhunikota ke amader samne hazir
korechhe ? Oboshyo amar mone hoi ei sesh byaparta khub beshi rokomer
abstract alochona hoie jabe .
Soumitra Bose
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Sambit Basu wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aajkaal-er shesh pujoshongkhya-y Ritwik-er opor Tushar Talukdar-er
> > > > akta lekha aachhe. Muloto: "Ritwik-da koto maal kheten" type-er lekha
> > > > hole-o koyekta interesting anecdotes aachhe.
> > >
> > > Bishesh kore eita moja legechche je uni "Titash Ekti Nodir Naam"
> > > uponyash-take otyonto 'kNacha haater lekha' EBONG 'khNati' mone korten.
> > > Ar, Manikbabur "Chinho" uponyashtikeo "oshadharoN"-er list-e
> > > rekhechchilen. Shutorang onar list-ta aro boRo hoyechchilo mone hoy,
> > > ontoto porer dike.
> > >
> > > Alochonar proshNo : KNacha haater khNati lekha, paka haater bhejal
> > > lekha, kNacha haater bhejal lekha, ar paka haater khNati lekha - er
> > > kichchu kichchu udahoron pathok dite paren, apon apon ruchi onujayi ?
> > > Oboshyo dui nombor gotro-ta "un-interesting".
> > >
> > > Shoumyo.
> >
> > pulush babajibonera sahityo o kore thaken . Kimba TATA r bhashai bolte
> > hoi "Tnara Danda niyeo ghure beran ar ki "
> >
> > Ta se jai hok , amar kintu mone hoi Tushar babur description about Titash
> > is perfect. Eto sohoje eto appropriate description hoi na .
>
> Ami post gulo poRey bujhtey parchhi na 'Titash' shankranto uktita kar
> Ritwick'er na Tushar Talukdarer?
>
>
> Ami thik mantey parlam na - Subarnarekha, Ajantrik, Meghey Dhaka Tara'r
> motoi Titash Ritwick'er baRo maper kaj. Amar Titash dekhey maney
> hoyechhey akta birat panoramic byapar, akta epic(janina epic-tepic eney
> phyala'ta thik holo kina?). Tabey ami Titash dekhechhi 1978'e -
> khNutinati kichhui maney nei, kintu visuals dekhey obhibhuto hoyechhilam
> maney acchhey ar sound-track khub kharap chhilo. Amar jodio bhalo
> lageni, kintu shei shomoi Gautam Bhadra'r akta lekha "Titash - Malor
> chokhey ar modhyobitto buddhijibir chokhey" (jatodur maney paRey,
> patrikata chhilo Chitrokalpo) - tatey erokom khNati bhyajal ei shab
> katha eshechhilo.
Cinematography ba Soundtrack e sur sonchoyon bhalo howar songye bokbobbo
charged howar ki somporko. Partition Ritwikbabu ke khub nara diyechhe eta
thik, kichu sloganer moto slok toiri kore tini chaomok enechilen
Komolgandhar e , tao na hoi ekta value ascribe kora jai , kintu "malo r
chokhe jomi jireter odhikarbodher sathe partition ar naarir rudho
jibonakankha ke miliye ekta punch kore dewoa kemon jeno ekta package deal
bole mone hoiechilo , je Ritwik jai korben tate ei shob gulo element ek
songei thakbe . Mane chinta koro Jukti tokko te Naxal andoloner sathe ek
udbastu meye ke ene hazir korlen . Shob kichuke ekjaigai ene hazir
koratake amar kache mone hoi hoi boktobbyer osonglongota kimba chintar
swabhabik bikasher bodole age theke masalla guloke toiri kore tarpore
shobar thekei kichu kichu diye runna kora .
>
> > tule swapner sagare shobaike ghar dhore dubiye dewoar moto , tobe Hyan
> > seta genuine urge theke , ba genuine swapner protik , tai seta KhNati o
> > bote . Titasher modhye ei naive Khantitto kintu Komolgandhar er chaiteo
> > beshi . Komolgandhar amar kache besh bhalo lagleo mone hoechhe jeno
> > Communist party r bullet head guloke fill up kore lekha jetar aro onek
>
> Etao mana gyalo na - ajker diney Komal Gandhar dekhley anek khsetrei
> abegdhormi ba otinatokiyo maney hoi, kintu poriprekhsit'ta bhebey
> dekhley byaparta onyo rokom. Bamponthi shangshkritik dalgulotey jara
> chhilo (panchash, shatt ba shottorer dashaker shesh dikey) - tader
> anekei akta kalpo jagatey thakto - Komal Gandhar shei shob
> contradiction'eri prokash.
Seta hoito mana gelo , kintu "ekdin ei railline ta jog chinho chilo , aj
seta biyog chinno" jatio kichu tukro slogan ba shlok auriye na udbastu
proshno , na bamponthi commune proshno , na sangshritik andoloner
jonobichhinnotar proshno konotai dhora jai . MAnushe Manusher modhye
byaktigoto romantic somporko anate gele romantikotar majhe udbastu
somoshyar du ek dose diye premta ke somajsocheton-preme porinoto korar
proyash ... amar kache ek dhoroner chalaki mone hoiechhe , jeno "amra
jokhon prem kori tokhon rajnitike mathai rekhei kori" e gulo ar jai hok
activist der chintajogot hole se activism bod hojomer chNuya dhekur
othabei.
>
> > crude rup dekhaken Utpal Dutta tnar porichalonai kichu cinema r modhye
> > (jeta te Sekhar nayok chilen -oouufff????- ekebare choke phela choritro )
> >
> Utpal Dutta'r kon cinema'r review'er headline jyano chhilo - 'Bangla
> chalachitrer kamal boney motto hostir probesh" ? Bhodrolok'er cinema
> direction'er byaparta niye kono serious alochonai hotey pare ki?
Sotti kotha bolte ki , Dushwapner Nogori ekta somoier jore beriye gelo ,
ota ekta standard natok holo. MAne gramer Ramlila r modhye er theke beshi
sincerity achhe . Kalloj, Teer, Tiner Talwar er pore bodhoi or Natok gulo
ektao natok hishebe certify kora jaikii??? tar obodharito result "Kalo
haat" .Se gulo abar Shobha Sen er boite bola hoichhe je bangla cinemate
biplob ene diyechhe , kisher biplob ke jane , er theke CPM er Budhadev
babu bhalo natok lekhen .
>
> > PAka hater genuine kaaj bolte amar kache Ritwiker Subarnorekha ba
> > shobchaite beshi Ojantrik ke mone hoi . Alienation bostu ta bodhoi oNr
> > chaite bangla cinemate ar keu bhalo kore bojhen ni .
> >
>
> Bangla cinematey akmatro Ritwick'er chhobigulor pechhonei tar
> srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono cholochitrokarer
> byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina. Amar kachhey
> Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' - etakey obyshyo ar
> adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
> holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
> adhuniktamo parichalok.
Seta oboshyoi mani , Satyjit babur Aguntuk kintu ekebare obdhut bhabe ei
prothom oNr bhetorer poriborton ke dekhiye dei. Satyajiter modhyobitter
gondi theke uttoron Utpal Dutter choritrayoner modhye diye uni daarun
dekhiyechhen.
>
> > Kancha hater bhejal lekha to seguloi jegulo Ritwik refer korechhen.
> >
> > Paka hater bhejal ba bodmaieshhi lekha bolte amar mone hoi Mrinal Sen er
> > PoroshuRam boita (jeta uni cinema koren - boita bodhoi oNr lekha noi)..
>
> Parasuram bhyajal kirey - ota khNati bhushi . Amar maney achhey ota
> dekhiye akta alochona hochhilo Jadavpurey, shobai khub galagali
> korchhilo ar Mrinalbabu defend korchhilen - hathat akjon (bartamaney
> JU'tey odhyapok) othey dNariye bollo apni 'Dhritarashtra Complex'e
> bhugchhen, Mrinal Sen tatey jodio shanghatik chotey jan, kintu
> expression'ta khub apt maney hoyechhilo.
>
Otate kintu Onake sommanito kora hoichilo,amar mone hoi tar jonnoi Mrinal
Sen oi kopot raag dekhalen . KAron oi sequence ta to tini King LEar theke
jherechilen .Public erokom uddonto churi korten je Salil Chowdhurio lajja
paben .
> Boyesh hochhey bujhtey parchhi, noirbyaktik alochana kortey parchhi na -
> anecdotes eshey jachhey, tai thamlam.
Are anecdotes guloito onek swabolil insertion. OTatei kintu reference
gulo onek primary hoi , boi ba lekha udhrito kora to onek hoechhe,
swabhabikota hariye jai.
>
> - Partha
Kalpataru Barman
Partha-da,
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> Etao mana gyalo na - ajker diney Komal Gandhar dekhley anek khsetrei
> abegdhormi ba otinatokiyo maney hoi, kintu poriprekhsit'ta bhebey
> dekhley byaparta onyo rokom. Bamponthi shangshkritik dalgulotey jara
> chhilo (panchash, shatt ba shottorer dashaker shesh dikey) - tader
> anekei akta kalpo jagatey thakto - Komal Gandhar shei shob
> contradiction'eri prokash.
Ritwik-er cinema jeno Group Theatre er moto.
> Parasuram bhyajal kirey - ota khNati bhushi . Amar maney achhey ota
> dekhiye akta alochona hochhilo Jadavpurey, shobai khub galagali
> korchhilo ar Mrinalbabu defend korchhilen - hathat akjon (bartamaney
> JU'tey odhyapok) othey dNariye bollo apni 'Dhritarashtra Complex'e
> bhugchhen, Mrinal Sen tatey jodio shanghatik chotey jan, kintu
> expression'ta khub apt maney hoyechhilo.
Aar "Mahaprithibi" dekhechhile !!!
> Boyesh hochhey bujhtey parchhi, noirbyaktik alochana kortey parchhi na -
> anecdotes eshey jachhey, tai thamlam.
>
> - Partha
Partha Chatterjee
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> >
> > Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > >
>
>
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> ..[deleted]..
>
> > > [deleted]
> >
> > Bangla cinematey akmatro Ritwick'er chhobigulor pechhonei tar
> > srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono cholochitrokarer
> > byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina.
>
> ETa bodhoi aykTa bitorker bishoy hotey paare. ETa Thik, Ritwik-er
> chhobite tNaar dwondo-shonkot (ebong "obsession") jebabey dhora
> porey (kono kono khetrey prokoTbhabey) onyoder chhobitey ta otoTa
> sposhTo noi, tobu kachhakachhi bodhoi Buddhadeb Dasgupta aashtey paaren.
> Satyajit-er shesher chhobiguliteo (Ganashatru, Shakha Proshakha o
> Agantuk) ei ayki byapar lokkhho kora jai.
Buddhabeb Dasgupta shombondhey ami kaano janina khub uchhoshito hotey
prina. Chhobigulo porichhono bhabey banano - ei porjonto, oboshyo ami
bohudin cinema dekhini, tai jor diye kichhu boltey itostato kori,
taholeo
Buddhadeb Dasgupta'r chhobigulo amakey konodiny naRa daini, bisheshato
Nim Annapurna dekhey besh biroktoi legechhilo.
Satyajiter Gana Shatru, Agantuk'er kshetrey amar maney hoyechhey je
kichhu shamajik issue'r politically correct boktobyo bala hoyechhey,
byakti Satyajit shekhaney chuRnto bhabey onuposthit athoba Satyajit
oibhabei bhebey thaken taholey boltey hoi "Satyajit Rayer shangey
Supratik Das'er kono bhed nei" - ontoto chintar shakiawtar dik diye
(Rabindranath ebong Satyajit - dujoner kachhei antorik bhabey
kshamaprarthi). Shakha prasakha dekhechhi kintu bhalo maney kortey
parchhi na.
>
> Amar kachhey
> > Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' -
>
> `nouvelle vague' naamTa byabohaar kora hoi ayk cholochchitro
> andolon-ke bojhatey jaar shob porichalokera kintu style ebong
> motadorshe besh onekkhanii sbatantra chhilen ayke oporer thheke |
> Shudhu France-er khetrei noi, shottor-er doshoker bharotiyo
> "new wave"er porichalokder khetreo ayki kotha projojyo.
> Tai ekhetrey ki boltey chaichhen Thik porishkaar holo na |
'New Wave' porichalokder chhobigulo jodi kheyal karen taholey dekhben
prai shab chhobitey tader byakti manosh bhishon bhabey eshey paRey (shab
cheye beshi bodh hoi - Godard, Truffaut anektai, Alain Renais, Lelouge,
Claude Chabrol beshi kam, shab cheye kam bodh hoi Eric Rohmer). New Wave
cinemar onyano gunaboli (attributes) bad diye amar kachhey ei dikta
bhishon guruttopurno maney hoyechhey, je chalochitrokar dorshokder
shangey akta sharashari jogajog'e lipto hochhen, kahinir dwander modhye
diye noi, visuals er madhyomey, episodes'er madhyomey shristikartar
maner dwidha, anonondo, shukher katha darsaker kachhey pNouchhoi.
Pharashi nouvelle vague'er ei choritro'ta amar bhishon chokhey
poRechhey.
Onyo dikey tathakathito Mani Kaul ityadider Indian New Wave amar kachhey
bhishon nakol legechhey - anekta Kolkatai shaat ebong shottor doshoker
natokey jor korey Brechtio alienation anar jonye poster byabohar karar
mato.
New Wave'er chhobigulo je rokom bhabey nagorik jiboner dwando jotilata
eney hajir karey - je khaney kahini upolokhyo matro, shei rokom
Ritwick'er chhobiteo kahini upolokhyo matro, akta kal uposthapito hoi
Ritwicker prai shab chhobitei tar shomosto jotlata niyei. Ei arthei
Nouvelle Vague ene phelechhilam.
>
> etakey obyshyo ar
> > adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
> > holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
> > adhuniktamo parichalok.
> >
>
> shilpe jaake "adhunik" bola hoi (jyamon "adhunik" kobita ba "adhunik"
> chhobi) shei orthey Ritwik-ke ki Thik "adhunik" bola jai ?
Reality'key nijer mato korey dyakha - reality ebong fantasy'r
sheemarekha'key ichhey korey miliye deoa, ei shab lokkhon'er thekei
Ritwick'er chhobikey ami adhunik bolechhi. Ei arthey Buddhadeb Dasgupta,
Mrinal Sen, Gautam Ghosh eder kaukei adhunik bala jabena. Mrinal Sen ak
shomoi kichhu cheshta (Interview'te ektu, Chorus, Parashuram'e ektu)
korchhilen, tabey dNarai ni.
Tabey shesh karar agey etao bala uchit, jey Ritwick'er chhobir modhye ei
gulo element hishebe uposthit, kakhono khub dharabahikata payni, kaano
hoini, shei shombondhey anek kichhui bala jai tabey sheta onyo alochana.
Ar ei shab balatey erakam dhorben na je ami shanghatik Ritwick bhakto.
Sambit Basu
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> > > Bangla cinematey akmatro Ritwick'er chhobigulor pechhonei tar
> > > srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono
cholochitrokarer
> > > byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina.
> >
> > ETa bodhoi aykTa bitorker bishoy hotey paare. ETa Thik, Ritwik-er
> > chhobite tNaar dwondo-shonkot (ebong "obsession") jebabey dhora
> > porey (kono kono khetrey prokoTbhabey) onyoder chhobitey ta otoTa
> > sposhTo noi, tobu kachhakachhi bodhoi Buddhadeb Dasgupta aashtey
paaren.
> > Satyajit-er shesher chhobiguliteo (Ganashatru, Shakha Proshakha o
> > Agantuk) ei ayki byapar lokkhho kora jai.
Shoja kore bujhiye de. "Finesse-er obhaab aar
Adha-incompetence-er joga-khichuDi" bola jay?
Sambit
Partha Chatterjee
Kalpataru Barman wrote:
>
> Partha-da,
>
> Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
[deleted]
>
> Aar "Mahaprithibi" dekhechhile !!!
>
Na, anekdin cinema dekhina.
[deleted]
> >
> > - Partha
Partha Chatterjee
Tai habey bodh hoi! Ardhek finesse'er obhab ar ardhek incompetence? Naki
finesse-er abhaab purotai ar incompetency-te ordhek? Shesherta jodi hoi
taholey ki kichhu competency achhey? :-)
- Partha
Arnab Gupta
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> [deleted]
>
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> > > > [deleted]
> > >
> > > srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono cholochitrokarer
> > > byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina.
> >
> > ETa bodhoi aykTa bitorker bishoy hotey paare. ETa Thik, Ritwik-er
> > chhobite tNaar dwondo-shonkot (ebong "obsession") jebabey dhora
> > porey (kono kono khetrey prokoTbhabey) onyoder chhobitey ta otoTa
> > sposhTo noi, tobu kachhakachhi bodhoi Buddhadeb Dasgupta aashtey paaren.
> > Satyajit-er shesher chhobiguliteo (Ganashatru, Shakha Proshakha o
> > Agantuk) ei ayki byapar lokkhho kora jai.
>
> prina. Chhobigulo porichhono bhabey banano - ei porjonto, oboshyo ami
> bohudin cinema dekhini, tai jor diye kichhu boltey itostato kori,
> taholeo
> Buddhadeb Dasgupta'r chhobigulo amakey konodiny naRa daini, bisheshato
> Nim Annapurna dekhey besh biroktoi legechhilo.
>
Ami chhobir gunagun-er kotha bolchhina. Aapni cholochchitre porichaloker
"byakti shotta" dhora porar je proshongo tulechhilen taari kichhu
udahoron dichchhilam.
> Satyajiter Gana Shatru, Agantuk'er kshetrey amar maney hoyechhey je
> kichhu shamajik issue'r politically correct boktobyo bala hoyechhey,
> byakti Satyajit shekhaney chuRnto bhabey onuposthit athoba Satyajit
> oibhabei bhebey thaken taholey boltey hoi "Satyajit Rayer shangey
> Supratik Das'er kono bhed nei" - ontoto chintar shakiawtar dik diye
> (Rabindranath ebong Satyajit - dujoner kachhei antorik bhabey
> kshamaprarthi).
Amar Thik ulToTa mone hoyechhilo. Ei prothom Satyajit "direct statement"
korechhen nijer chhobite (abar boli, ami cholochchitrer gunagun-er
bicharey jachchhi na) | "Agantuk"-e Satyajit-er shesh boyesher
drishTibhongir besh bhalo probhab aachhe | OnekTa Ritwik tNar chhobitey
jyamon direct statement korten, sherokom bhabei shegulo eshechhe.
Shakha prasakha dekhechhi kintu bhalo maney kortey
> parchhi na.
Shakha-Proshakha asholey sheshdiker tinTe chhobir moddhe amar
"interesting" mone hoyechhilo. Kintu abhinoy (Ajit Banerjee,
Ranjit Mallik) khub weak, chitranatyo-o GYan-e bharakranto.
> >
> > Amar kachhey
> > > Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' -
> >
> > `nouvelle vague' naamTa byabohaar kora hoi ayk cholochchitro
> > andolon-ke bojhatey jaar shob porichalokera kintu style ebong
> > motadorshe besh onekkhanii sbatantra chhilen ayke oporer thheke |
> > Shudhu France-er khetrei noi, shottor-er doshoker bharotiyo
> > "new wave"er porichalokder khetreo ayki kotha projojyo.
> > Tai ekhetrey ki boltey chaichhen Thik porishkaar holo na |
>
> 'New Wave' porichalokder chhobigulo jodi kheyal karen taholey dekhben
> prai shab chhobitey tader byakti manosh bhishon bhabey eshey paRey (shab
> cheye beshi bodh hoi - Godard, Truffaut anektai, Alain Renais, Lelouge,
> Claude Chabrol beshi kam, shab cheye kam bodh hoi Eric Rohmer).
Alan Resnais-ke khubi "personal" mone hoyechhilo ("Hiroshima Mon Amour"
ba "Last Night at Marienbad). Godard "style"e nijoshyo riti toiri
korechhilen kintu onar chhobi-ke "personal" ki orthey jai sheTa amar
kachhe porishkar noi. Ontoto Bresson, Bergman , Tarkovsky ba Woody
Allen je orthey "personal" taar dharekachheo Godard ba New Wave-er
porichalokder chhobi jai na (chhobir gunagun-er bicharey noi).
Truffaut-r "Four Hundred Blows" khub "personal" | OtoTa na holeo
Satyajit-er "Aparajito"teo kintu personal element aachhe |
New Wave
> cinemar onyano gunaboli (attributes) bad diye amar kachhey ei dikta
> bhishon guruttopurno maney hoyechhey, je chalochitrokar dorshokder
> shangey akta sharashari jogajog'e lipto hochhen, kahinir dwander modhye
> diye noi, visuals er madhyomey, episodes'er madhyomey shristikartar
> maner dwidha, anonondo, shukher katha darsaker kachhey pNouchhoi.
> Pharashi nouvelle vague'er ei choritro'ta amar bhishon chokhey
> poRechhey.
>
Ei gungulo ki onyo kono chhobite aashe na ba aashtey paare na ?
e.g, "Mahanagar"-e Satyajit-er obosthan-Ta kon dikey sheTa bujhtey
khub oshubidha hoi na | Otoeb tini "communicate" korchhen. Ei
"communication" kintu Mahanagar-er shurur dikey onekTai aashey chhoTo
chhoTo drishyer madhyome, jekhaney golper "dramatic element" prai
onuposthit. Rojkar ghoTona nichhok "dyakhar" guney onek kichhui
communicate korey dorshoker kaachhe.
Ritwik "personal" eTa khanikTa mani. Kintu eTa chhara "New Wave"-er
porichalokder shonge tNaar style-e mil kishey eTa amar kaachhe porishkar
noi. Borong "intensity"r dik thheke Bunuel-er kachhakachhi aykTa
obosthan jor korey Tana geleo jetey paare (ebong Ritwik Bunuel-er
gunomugdho - e kotha besh jorgolatey bolten-o).
> Onyo dikey tathakathito Mani Kaul ityadider Indian New Wave amar kachhey
> bhishon nakol legechhey -
Bolen ki ? Ritwik-er shobthheke priyo tin chhatrer dujon holen eNra! :-)
anekta Kolkatai shaat ebong shottor doshoker
> natokey jor korey Brechtio alienation anar jonye poster byabohar karar
> mato.
>
Mani Kaul/Kumar Shahani'r chhobi diye bharotiyo "New Wave"ke maaptey
gele kintu bhul kora hobey. In fact, oNder chhobi aykebarei onyorokom.
Pashapashi notun style ebong bishoy niye aro onek porichalok uThey
eshechhilen.
> New Wave'er chhobigulo je rokom bhabey nagorik jiboner dwando jotilata
> eney hajir karey - je khaney kahini upolokhyo matro, shei rokom
> Ritwick'er chhobiteo kahini upolokhyo matro, akta kal uposthapito hoi
> Ritwicker prai shab chhobitei tar shomosto jotlata niyei. Ei arthei
> Nouvelle Vague ene phelechhilam.
Pather pNachali ba Aparajito-ke taholey "New Wave" bola jabe ki ? Golpo
ki khub gurutwopurno ei duTotei ? Amar to mone hoi visuals-er madhyome
Manikbabu jebhabey byektimoner joTilota dhorechhen taar dharekachheo
onek tabor tabor porichalok pouchhotey paarben na | Apni "Four Hundred
Blows" ebong "Pather PNachali"ke pashapashi rekhey tulona korun. jiboner
dwondo joTilota duTotei ayki bhabey eshey hajir hoina ki ? Kintu aykTa
"New Wave", onyoTa poshakibhabey ta noi!
Amar nijer mot, Ritwik ja bolechhilen, taar kachhakachhi. "New Wave"
tokma-Ta nichhoki oi tokmai. AykTa shomoike bojhabar jonye. Bajhhik
kichhu mil thhakleo New Wave-er porichalok-ra nijera totoTai alada,
jotoTa prithibir aro onek porichalok, ayke oporer thheke.
> >
> > etakey obyshyo ar
> > > adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
> > > holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
> > > adhuniktamo parichalok.
> > >
> >
> > shilpe jaake "adhunik" bola hoi (jyamon "adhunik" kobita ba "adhunik"
> > chhobi) shei orthey Ritwik-ke ki Thik "adhunik" bola jai ?
>
> Reality'key nijer mato korey dyakha - reality ebong fantasy'r
> sheemarekha'key ichhey korey miliye deoa, ei shab lokkhon'er thekei
> Ritwick'er chhobikey ami adhunik bolechhi.
Amar mone hoina ei miliye deoaTa Ritwik khub shilposhommoto bhabey
korechhen shobshomoi. Dhorun Subarnarekha-te Bijon Bhattacharya (ki
kharap obhineta!) jokhon kolkatai eshey Eliot auratey shuru koren tokhon
sheTake mamuli kono Bangla chhobir drishyo mone hoi, fantasy mone hoina.
Ritwik prai-i "La Dloce Vita"r kotha bolten. Oi drishye taar probhab
shusposhTo..kintu konobhabei ta Fellini-r chhobir moto "subtle" hoye
uThtey paare na. Bhalo udahoron oboshyo kichhu aachhe...jyamon
Subarnarekha-te Bohurupir abhirbhab khubi shilposhommoto mone hoyechhilo
| Abar "Barik Thheke Paliye"-r fantasy khubi kNacha mone hoyechhilo.
Apni aro kichhu udahoron diley alochona-Ta jombe |
Arnab Gupta
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> > Arnab Gupta wrote:
> > >
> > > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> > > > Bangla cinematey akmatro Ritwick'er chhobigulor pechhonei tar
> > > > srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono
> cholochitrokarer
> > > > byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina.
> > >
> > > ETa bodhoi aykTa bitorker bishoy hotey paare. ETa Thik, Ritwik-er
> > > chhobite tNaar dwondo-shonkot (ebong "obsession") jebabey dhora
> > > porey (kono kono khetrey prokoTbhabey) onyoder chhobitey ta otoTa
> > > sposhTo noi, tobu kachhakachhi bodhoi Buddhadeb Dasgupta aashtey
> paaren.
> > > Satyajit-er shesher chhobiguliteo (Ganashatru, Shakha Proshakha o
> > > Agantuk) ei ayki byapar lokkhho kora jai.
>
> Adha-incompetence-er joga-khichuDi" bola jay?
>
Bola jai hoito...kintu taar shonge chhobi "personal" howa ba
"cholochitrokarer byakti shotta" prokashito howar shomporkoTa
ki ?
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
Partha Chatterjee <parthach...@ies.iec-energy.com> wrote in article
<34BB11...@ies.iec-energy.com>...
> Sambit Basu wrote:
> > Shoja kore bujhiye de. "Finesse-er obhaab aar
> > Adha-incompetence-er joga-khichuDi" bola jay?
> Tai habey bodh hoi! Ardhek finesse'er obhab ar ardhek incompetence? Naki
> finesse-er abhaab purotai ar incompetency-te ordhek? Shesherta jodi hoi
> taholey ki kichhu competency achhey? :-)
Hisheb bhognangsho na troiraashik, kishe chaan?
Sambit
Sambit Basu
Arnab Gupta <gup...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article
<34BB4DA2...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu>...
> Sambit Basu wrote:
> > Shoja kore bujhiye de. "Finesse-er obhaab aar
> > Adha-incompetence-er joga-khichuDi" bola jay?
> >
>
> Bola jai hoito...kintu taar shonge chhobi "personal" howa ba
> "cholochitrokarer byakti shotta" prokashito howar shomporkoTa
> ki ?
Eta-o jaanina; bole de.
Sambit
Soumitra Bose
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> [deleted]
>
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> > > > [deleted]
> > >
> > > srishtikartar dwando-shankat onubhab kara jai. Ar kono cholochitrokarer
> > > byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina.
> >
> > ETa bodhoi aykTa bitorker bishoy hotey paare. ETa Thik, Ritwik-er
> > chhobite tNaar dwondo-shonkot (ebong "obsession") jebabey dhora
> > porey (kono kono khetrey prokoTbhabey) onyoder chhobitey ta otoTa
> > sposhTo noi, tobu kachhakachhi bodhoi Buddhadeb Dasgupta aashtey paaren.
> > Satyajit-er shesher chhobiguliteo (Ganashatru, Shakha Proshakha o
> > Agantuk) ei ayki byapar lokkhho kora jai.
>
> prina. Chhobigulo porichhono bhabey banano - ei porjonto, oboshyo ami
> bohudin cinema dekhini, tai jor diye kichhu boltey itostato kori,
> taholeo
> Buddhadeb Dasgupta'r chhobigulo amakey konodiny naRa daini, bisheshato
> Nim Annapurna dekhey besh biroktoi legechhilo.
>
> kichhu shamajik issue'r politically correct boktobyo bala hoyechhey,
> byakti Satyajit shekhaney chuRnto bhabey onuposthit athoba Satyajit
> oibhabei bhebey thaken taholey boltey hoi "Satyajit Rayer shangey
> Supratik Das'er kono bhed nei" - ontoto chintar shakiawtar dik diye
> (Rabindranath ebong Satyajit - dujoner kachhei antorik bhabey
> parchhi na.
> >
> > Amar kachhey
> > > Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' -
> >
> > `nouvelle vague' naamTa byabohaar kora hoi ayk cholochchitro
> > andolon-ke bojhatey jaar shob porichalokera kintu style ebong
> > motadorshe besh onekkhanii sbatantra chhilen ayke oporer thheke |
> > Shudhu France-er khetrei noi, shottor-er doshoker bharotiyo
> > "new wave"er porichalokder khetreo ayki kotha projojyo.
> > Tai ekhetrey ki boltey chaichhen Thik porishkaar holo na |
>
> 'New Wave' porichalokder chhobigulo jodi kheyal karen taholey dekhben
> prai shab chhobitey tader byakti manosh bhishon bhabey eshey paRey (shab
> cheye beshi bodh hoi - Godard, Truffaut anektai, Alain Renais, Lelouge,
> cinemar onyano gunaboli (attributes) bad diye amar kachhey ei dikta
> bhishon guruttopurno maney hoyechhey, je chalochitrokar dorshokder
> shangey akta sharashari jogajog'e lipto hochhen, kahinir dwander modhye
> diye noi, visuals er madhyomey, episodes'er madhyomey shristikartar
> maner dwidha, anonondo, shukher katha darsaker kachhey pNouchhoi.
> Pharashi nouvelle vague'er ei choritro'ta amar bhishon chokhey
> poRechhey.
>
> natokey jor korey Brechtio alienation anar jonye poster byabohar karar
> mato.
>
> eney hajir karey - je khaney kahini upolokhyo matro, shei rokom
> Ritwick'er chhobiteo kahini upolokhyo matro, akta kal uposthapito hoi
> Ritwicker prai shab chhobitei tar shomosto jotlata niyei. Ei arthei
> Nouvelle Vague ene phelechhilam.
> >
> > > adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
> > > holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
> > > adhuniktamo parichalok.
> > >
> >
> > shilpe jaake "adhunik" bola hoi (jyamon "adhunik" kobita ba "adhunik"
> > chhobi) shei orthey Ritwik-ke ki Thik "adhunik" bola jai ?
>
> Reality'key nijer mato korey dyakha - reality ebong fantasy'r
> sheemarekha'key ichhey korey miliye deoa, ei shab lokkhon'er thekei
> Mrinal Sen, Gautam Ghosh eder kaukei adhunik bala jabena. Mrinal Sen ak
> shomoi kichhu cheshta (Interview'te ektu, Chorus, Parashuram'e ektu)
> korchhilen, tabey dNarai ni.
>
> Tabey shesh karar agey etao bala uchit, jey Ritwick'er chhobir modhye ei
> gulo element hishebe uposthit, kakhono khub dharabahikata payni, kaano
> hoini, shei shombondhey anek kichhui bala jai tabey sheta onyo alochana.
> Ar ei shab balatey erakam dhorben na je ami shanghatik Ritwick bhakto.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Arnab.
Porichaloker artiste hishebe manoshik dwidha dondo ke manusher shamne
prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
er pshyche bujhte . Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
, odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti . Ritwiker eta chilo na
.. Tini Somaj ke bujhte cheyechilen , nijer somosya ke somajer somosya r
modhye diye dekhechilen , jeta Goddard er boite daarun dhora jai tobe
Alan Robe-Grillet er boite otota noi . Paul Eluard bodhoi ei dharar
prothom probortok chilen (jodio kobitai) , Jacques Prevert ba Samuel
Beckett eta ke kichuta byaktigoto satire ba byaktigoto protichhobir dike
niye gechhen. English language society te thik ei dhara ta paina . KEmon
jyano hoi Woody Allen kimba ekebare daarun samajik protichhobi , Hindi
sahityo o shilpe ei ingriji silpo-sahityer moto direct approach ta achhe
.. Tobe Ingirjir non-main-stream e Forashi ba Banglar trend ke dhorar
jyano ekta prochesta achhe . Seshokto trend ta LAtin-AMerican ba east
European shilpo-sahitye ki ononnosadharon bhabe je powa jai tar tulona
nei.
Jai hok Tumi thiki bolecho , Satyajit bolen , bhogen ba , tini
MAstermoshai , shob janen, jokhon jeta bolen seta shobar theke beshi
bojhen o tai bolen, tNar modhye kono dondo-sonkot nei , tini ekta stor
theke ar ekta store uttorito hon , majher porjaita electron er ak energy
level theke ar ekta energy level er phanker motoi un-defined , not
allowed to ask. Onar shudhu bolar adot achhe , dwidha-donder modhye diye
unomchito howar adot nei, ekebare Bemmo(Brahmo) kayda , tini shob
bangaleeke kan dhore margo dorshon koriye dyan .Sutorang erokom
mastermoshai der theke taratari gyanarjon kore sotke porai bhalo .Uni
Nomoshyo byaktittwo , amader sathe boshe chullu ba bangla khaben eta asha
kora nirbudhhita .Uni ashben , notun chinta charben , amra shunbo, prosad
grohon korbo, abar poroborti revelation er opekhsya korbo. Erokom loko
bhishon dorkar . Bangla shilpokormer ja oboshtha , tate Camus ba kafka
shobai hole abar amra onke kichui shikbo na .
Kalpataru Barman
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> Kalpataru Barman wrote:
> >
> > Partha-da,
> >
> > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> >
> [deleted]
> >
> > Aar "Mahaprithibi" dekhechhile !!!
> >
>
> Na, anekdin cinema dekhina.
Bechhe gechho !!
>
>
> [deleted]
> > >
> > > - Partha
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Partha Chatterjee wrote:
..[deleted]..
> Porichaloker artiste hishebe manoshik dwidha dondo ke manusher shamne
> prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
> discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
> dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
> kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
> dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
> er pshyche bujhte .
Kamal Majumdar kon ayk bamponthi shilpo-shomalochok-er shommondhe
bolechhilen je tini naki "social content" na thhakley noshyi nyan na..
Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
> , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
Er biporit-dhormi chhobigulike ki bola jai ? "gonodhorshon" cholbe ?
..[deleted]..
Arnab.
Srabani Banerjee
> Porichaloker artiste hishebe manoshik dwidha dondo ke manusher shamne
> prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
> discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
> dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
> kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
> dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
> er pshyche bujhte . Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
> , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
ye, manet eta ektu barabaRi hoye gyalo na? apnar biroktikor lagtei paare
- kintu tai bole Woody Allen-er self-mockery-ke `jor kore duniyar
shomshya hishebe portary kora' baniye dilen? ektu cinema dhore dhore
bolun na eta kothay korlen.
Ritwiker eta chilo na
> .. Tini Somaj ke bujhte cheyechilen , nijer somosya ke somajer somosya r
> modhye diye dekhechilen ,
Ritwik-er shomshya-ta deshbhaag na hoye koshthokathinyo holeo ki ek-i
kotha bolten? eta-o kintu bangalider boRo shomshya.
> Jai hok Tumi thiki bolecho , Satyajit bolen , bhogen ba , tini
> MAstermoshai , shob janen, jokhon jeta bolen seta shobar theke beshi
> bojhen o tai bolen, tNar modhye kono dondo-sonkot nei , tini ekta stor
> theke ar ekta store uttorito hon , majher porjaita electron er ak energy
> level theke ar ekta energy level er phanker motoi un-defined , not
> allowed to ask. Onar shudhu bolar adot achhe , dwidha-donder modhye diye
> unomchito howar adot nei, ekebare Bemmo(Brahmo) kayda , tini shob
> bangaleeke kan dhore margo dorshon koriye dyan .Sutorang erokom
> mastermoshai der theke taratari gyanarjon kore sotke porai bhalo .Uni
> Nomoshyo byaktittwo , amader sathe boshe chullu ba bangla khaben eta asha
> kora nirbudhhita .Uni ashben , notun chinta charben , amra shunbo, prosad
> grohon korbo, abar poroborti revelation er opekhsya korbo. Erokom loko
> bhishon dorkar . Bangla shilpokormer ja oboshtha , tate Camus ba kafka
> shobai hole abar amra onke kichui shikbo na .
eta mairi kichhu bujhlam na. Satyajit Ray-ke niye apnar problem ei je
uni chullu kheten na?
Srabani
Partha Chatterjee
> > Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> > > Shoja kore bujhiye de. "Finesse-er obhaab aar
> > > Adha-incompetence-er joga-khichuDi" bola jay?
>
> > finesse-er abhaab purotai ar incompetency-te ordhek? Shesherta jodi hoi
> > taholey ki kichhu competency achhey? :-)
>
> Hisheb bhognangsho na troiraashik, kishe chaan?
>
> Sambit
Ajkalkar chhelera troirashik kakey baley janey naki? Tabey quizer jugey
kichhui bala jaina.
- Partha
Soumitra Bose
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> Partha Chatterjee <parthach...@ies.iec-energy.com> wrote in article
> <34BB11...@ies.iec-energy.com>...
> > Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> > > Shoja kore bujhiye de. "Finesse-er obhaab aar
> > > Adha-incompetence-er joga-khichuDi" bola jay?
>
> > Tai habey bodh hoi! Ardhek finesse'er obhab ar ardhek incompetence? Naki
> > finesse-er abhaab purotai ar incompetency-te ordhek? Shesherta jodi hoi
> > taholey ki kichhu competency achhey? :-)
>
> Hisheb bhognangsho na troiraashik, kishe chaan?
>
Sambit Basu
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> Ritwik-er shomshya-ta deshbhaag na hoye koshthokathinyo holeo ki ek-i
> kotha bolten? eta-o kintu bangalider boRo shomshya.
Bangali-r koshhtho-kathinyo shomoshya-r je "boDo shomoshya" - she
byapar-e kono statistics aachhe?
Sambit
Sambit Basu
Partha Chatterjee <pchatto...@ies-energy.com> wrote:
> Sambit Basu wrote:
> > Hisheb bhognangsho na troiraashik, kishe chaan?
>
> Ajkalkar chhelera troirashik kakey baley janey naki? Tabey quizer jugey
> kichhui bala jaina.
Troiraashik janar ki proyojon? HJBRL poDle-i to hoy.
Sambit
Arindam
Soumitra Bose writes:
>Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
>, odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
>dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
>byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
>portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
>thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
Tomar exact problem-ta ki niye? Tomar motey, "markin muluker dhyasthamo"
(please explain, seriously bujhlam na ki boltey chaichhiley :)..) =
presentation of jewish drishtibhongi in cinema Woody Allen style? Er baire
American cinema hoy na? just curious.
> Jai hok Tumi thiki bolecho , Satyajit bolen , bhogen ba , tini
>MAstermoshai , shob janen, jokhon jeta bolen seta shobar theke beshi
>bojhen o tai bolen, tNar modhye kono dondo-sonkot nei , tini ekta stor
Satyajitbabu'r opor raager (naki abhimaan ;)..) karon ta-o to thik bojha gelo
na. Ektu Bujhiye likhbey?
Arindam
Soumitra Bose
Arindam wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose writes:
>
> >Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
> >, odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> >dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> >byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> >portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> >thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
>
> (please explain, seriously bujhlam na ki boltey chaichhiley :)..) =
> presentation of jewish drishtibhongi in cinema Woody Allen style? Er baire
> American cinema hoy na? just curious.
MArkin muluke Nouvel vaguer ek dhoroner dharamo moton ortho kora hoechilo
, eder liberal ra Nouvel vague er shradhha kore cherechilo.
Onno dhoroner cinema hoi na kothai bollam , Spiker kotha to amii
bollam.Tarpor alternative cinema to majhe majhe hoi , loke dkehte paina
oboshyo karon cinema hall e ashe na .
>
> > Jai hok Tumi thiki bolecho , Satyajit bolen , bhogen ba , tini
> >MAstermoshai , shob janen, jokhon jeta bolen seta shobar theke beshi
> >bojhen o tai bolen, tNar modhye kono dondo-sonkot nei , tini ekta stor
>
> Satyajitbabu'r opor raager (naki abhimaan ;)..) karon ta-o to thik bojha gelo
> na. Ektu Bujhiye likhbey?
Nijoshyo kono dondo sonkot Satyajiter boi er modhye diye prokashito hoina
, uni ekdom assertively shob bole thaken .
>
> Arindam
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> > prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
> > discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
> > dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
> > kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
> > dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
> > er pshyche bujhte .
>
> bolechhilen je tini naki "social content" na thhakley noshyi nyan na..
>
> > , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> > dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> > byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> > portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> > thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
>
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> Arnab.
Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
kaman , shudhu kichu media take liberal bolen bole , loke tai dekhte jai
, rabri na pele loke nordomai khabe . ekhane Goddard jonmai na , tai
dispepsia te bhoga Woody Allen i soi.
Soumitra Bose
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> > Porichaloker artiste hishebe manoshik dwidha dondo ke manusher shamne
> > prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
> > discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
> > dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
> > kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
> > dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
> > er pshyche bujhte . Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
> > , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> > dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> > byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> > portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> > thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
>
> - kintu tai bole Woody Allen-er self-mockery-ke `jor kore duniyar
> shomshya hishebe portary kora' baniye dilen? ektu cinema dhore dhore
> bolun na eta kothay korlen.
Ei boita r age Broadway niye je boita korlen , seta ki chilo . Kothai kon
golite ki hoichhe tai liberalism er name somajer mul somoshya hoie
dNarabe? ke kar bou ke niye bhagchhe tar songye Marx saheber ki jogajog
ke jane , tar songye proletariat consciousness er i ba ki achhe. Ekhon
nijer dottok palita konyake onkosayini koratake uni anti-bourgois
proletariat songram bole challachhen , bojho ....MArx saheb bhagyyish
more bhut hoie tin dozen khanek re-incarnation hoie nirvan labh korechhen
, na hole ki je hoto . Satyajit Roy ke dorkar hoto , MArxer poroborti
Jaismar der niye goppo lekhar jonne ...
>
> Ritwiker eta chilo na
> > .. Tini Somaj ke bujhte cheyechilen , nijer somosya ke somajer somosya r
> > modhye diye dekhechilen ,
>
> Ritwik-er shomshya-ta deshbhaag na hoye koshthokathinyo holeo ki ek-i
> kotha bolten? eta-o kintu bangalider boRo shomshya.
Deshbhaag ar kosthokathinyer modhye kar parthokker modhye elemental
parthokko Ritwik bujhten , tai nijer modyopota ke somoajer somoshya
hishebe dekhan ni , jukti tokke okhanei resh tenechhen.
>
> > Jai hok Tumi thiki bolecho , Satyajit bolen , bhogen ba , tini
> > MAstermoshai , shob janen, jokhon jeta bolen seta shobar theke beshi
> > bojhen o tai bolen, tNar modhye kono dondo-sonkot nei , tini ekta stor
> > theke ar ekta store uttorito hon , majher porjaita electron er ak energy
> > level theke ar ekta energy level er phanker motoi un-defined , not
> > allowed to ask. Onar shudhu bolar adot achhe , dwidha-donder modhye diye
> > unomchito howar adot nei, ekebare Bemmo(Brahmo) kayda , tini shob
> > bangaleeke kan dhore margo dorshon koriye dyan .Sutorang erokom
> > mastermoshai der theke taratari gyanarjon kore sotke porai bhalo .Uni
> > Nomoshyo byaktittwo , amader sathe boshe chullu ba bangla khaben eta asha
> > kora nirbudhhita .Uni ashben , notun chinta charben , amra shunbo, prosad
> > grohon korbo, abar poroborti revelation er opekhsya korbo. Erokom loko
> > bhishon dorkar . Bangla shilpokormer ja oboshtha , tate Camus ba kafka
> > shobai hole abar amra onke kichui shikbo na .
>
> eta mairi kichhu bujhlam na. Satyajit Ray-ke niye apnar problem ei je
> uni chullu kheten na?
Eto sundar bojhar khomota apnar othochho dukher byapar village
schoolmaster er mathar size niye kobi chomokitoi roilen , tarpor ar kono
kobi jonmalo na apnake dekhe murhho hobar moton ...
>
> Srabani
Srabani Banerjee
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
> > Ritwik-er shomshya-ta deshbhaag na hoye koshthokathinyo holeo ki ek-i
> > kotha bolten? eta-o kintu bangalider boRo shomshya.
>
> byapar-e kono statistics aachhe?
>
na bodhoy. thakleo amar kachhe nei. eta purely personal opinion -
charpaasher roga pyangla khitkhite bangalider dekhe monet hoy. ta babu-r
jodi khub gaa-e lege thake tahole nahoy withdraw korlam.
> Sambit
Srabani
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > >
> > > Partha Chatterjee wrote:
> >
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> > > prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
> > > discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
> > > dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
> > > kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
> > > dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
> > > er pshyche bujhte .
> >
> > bolechhilen je tini naki "social content" na thhakley noshyi nyan na..
> >
> > > , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> > > dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> > > byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> > > portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> > > thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
> >
> >
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> > Arnab.
>
> Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> kaman ,
Aar onyera "social content" eneo poisha kamatey paaren na - eTai ki
apnaar raager karon ?
> shudhu kichu media take liberal bolen bole ,
media kaukey "liberal" bollo ki na bollo tNar shonge tNar chhobir
gunagun-er ki shomporko ?
loke tai dekhte jai
> , rabri na pele loke nordomai khabe . ekhane Goddard jonmai na ,
To ? France-e Hollywood jonmiyechhe ? Godard chhara ki cinema hoina ?
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arindam wrote:
> >
..[deleted]..
> > Satyajitbabu'r opor raager (naki abhimaan ;)..) karon ta-o to thik bojha gelo
> > na. Ektu Bujhiye likhbey?
>
> Nijoshyo kono dondo sonkot Satyajiter boi er modhye diye prokashito hoina
> , uni ekdom assertively shob bole thaken .
>
Kirokom ? "generalised statement" na korey kichhu udahoron ditey
paren ?
Arnab.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> kaman , shudhu kichu media take liberal bolen bole , loke tai dekhte jai
> , rabri na pele loke nordomai khabe . ekhane Goddard jonmai na , tai
> dispepsia te bhoga Woody Allen i soi.
Dhyat Soumitra,
Tumi dekhi Woody Allen shomporke kisui zanona. Roshikota bojhoni, omni
ayk haat niye nile...
Shoumyo.
Partha Chatterjee
Ami Buddhadeb Dasgupta'r chhobir dosh-gun bichar kortey jaini. Amar
kachhey maney hoyechhey jodi kono parichalok tar chhobir darshak'er
shangey akta byaktgato jogshutro toiri kortey paren - arthat chhobi ta
dekhtey dekhtey je byakti chhobir porichalok tar personality'ta onubhab
kara jai, sheta chhobir akta attribute (jutshoi bangla mathai ashchhey
na). Eta ami kokhonoi bolchhi na je ei attribute'ta akta chhobir bhalo
haoar aboshyik sharto. Tabey byaktigato bhabey ei dharoner chhobi amar
bhalo lagey - eta niye ami kaukey convince'o kortey chaina, tabey
swabhabik bhabei ja bhalo lagey ta anyo arekjoner shangey bhag korey
nitey bhalo lagey, tai ei post gulo kara. Ei drishtibhongi thekey
Buddhadeb Das Gupta'r chhobi gulo amar maney taamon daag kateni.
> > Satyajiter Gana Shatru, Agantuk'er kshetrey amar maney hoyechhey je
> > kichhu shamajik issue'r politically correct boktobyo bala hoyechhey,
> > byakti Satyajit shekhaney chuRnto bhabey onuposthit athoba Satyajit
> > oibhabei bhebey thaken taholey boltey hoi "Satyajit Rayer shangey
> > Supratik Das'er kono bhed nei" - ontoto chintar shakiawtar dik diye
> > (Rabindranath ebong Satyajit - dujoner kachhei antorik bhabey
> > kshamaprarthi).
>
> Amar Thik ulToTa mone hoyechhilo. Ei prothom Satyajit "direct statement"
> korechhen nijer chhobite (abar boli, ami cholochchitrer gunagun-er
> bicharey jachchhi na) | "Agantuk"-e Satyajit-er shesh boyesher
> drishTibhongir besh bhalo probhab aachhe | OnekTa Ritwik tNar chhobitey
> jyamon direct statement korten, sherokom bhabei shegulo eshechhe.
Amra jakhon kono shilpo karma'key bichar kori takhon shudhu shei kajti
chaRa aro onyo anek kichhu shei bicharer upor prabhab phaley - keu balen
sheta thik keu ba bhinnomat. Tabey shab shomoi dyakha jai je ei bicharer
shomoi ager kaj, onyo madhyom aki bishoier upor kaj - kahinibhittik
chhobi holey mul galpo ba upanyash, ei gulo bicharer modhye eshey paRey.
Ritwick'er chhobitey shei rokom kichhu dwndo, dwidha, shankat'er
dharabahikata paoa jai. Sheta Satyajit'er Ganoshotru ba Agontuk'e paoa
jaina, maney kichhu bishaye Satyajit tNar press statement korchhen hoito
mul dhara'r thekey ektu alada kintu unar dharatao akta chalu dhara
(sheta oboshyo hotei parey) - amar proshno, akta kaj thekey arekta kajey
tar dwidha-dwander dharabahikatar onuposthititi niye.
Satyajit'er chhobitey bishoygato dharabahikata oboshyoi achhey
(Apu-trilogy,Charulata, Mahanagar, Pratidwandi, Jana Aranya), kintu ei
gulor thekey shotyi Satyajit Ray jini ak shomoi Coffe House'e jeten
(oboshyo jatodur shunechhi uni pradhanato fellow traveller chhilen), ba
Keyatala thekey tram choRey office jeten ba jini strir gayna bikri korey
Pather PNachali shuru korechhilen - tNar kono chintar thoi paina. Ei
kathar maney ei noi jey eta na thakatey Satyajit'er chhobigulo bhalo
hotey pareni, knitu amar maney hoyechhey ei rokom kichhu holey mondo
hotona. Amar post'er pradhan boktobyo chhilo je Ritwick'er chhobitey ei
dikta achhey, onyo ar kono Bharatiyo parichaloker chhobitey eta shei
bhabey dekhina. Chhobitey personally communicate anekei bibhinno shomoi
bibhinno bhabey korechhen, kintu amar maney hoyechhey genre hishebey New
Wave porichalokder kajer madhye eta akta attribute hishebey eshechhey.
Ar Ritwick'er shangey New Wave'er tulanata ei arthei kara.
>
> Shakha prasakha dekhechhi kintu bhalo maney kortey
> > parchhi na.
>
> Shakha-Proshakha asholey sheshdiker tinTe chhobir moddhe amar
> "interesting" mone hoyechhilo. Kintu abhinoy (Ajit Banerjee,
> Ranjit Mallik) khub weak, chitranatyo-o GYan-e bharakranto.
>
> > >
> > > Amar kachhey
> > > > Ritwick'iy bangla cinema'r akmatro 'nouvelle vague' -
> > >
> > > `nouvelle vague' naamTa byabohaar kora hoi ayk cholochchitro
> > > andolon-ke bojhatey jaar shob porichalokera kintu style ebong
> > > motadorshe besh onekkhanii sbatantra chhilen ayke oporer thheke |
> > > Shudhu France-er khetrei noi, shottor-er doshoker bharotiyo
> > > "new wave"er porichalokder khetreo ayki kotha projojyo.
> > > Tai ekhetrey ki boltey chaichhen Thik porishkaar holo na |
> >
> > 'New Wave' porichalokder chhobigulo jodi kheyal karen taholey dekhben
> > prai shab chhobitey tader byakti manosh bhishon bhabey eshey paRey (shab
> > cheye beshi bodh hoi - Godard, Truffaut anektai, Alain Renais, Lelouge,
> > Claude Chabrol beshi kam, shab cheye kam bodh hoi Eric Rohmer).
>
> Alan Resnais-ke khubi "personal" mone hoyechhilo ("Hiroshima Mon Amour"
> ba "Last Night at Marienbad). Godard "style"e nijoshyo riti toiri
> korechhilen kintu onar chhobi-ke "personal" ki orthey jai sheTa amar
> kachhe porishkar noi. Ontoto Bresson, Bergman , Tarkovsky ba Woody
Godard'er 'Far from Vietnam', 'Letter to Jane', 'Week End' ba Zdiga
Vertov period'er prai pratyekta chhobi tNar bibbhino shankat'er prakash
ghatiyechhey.
> Allen je orthey "personal" taar dharekachheo Godard ba New Wave-er
> porichalokder chhobi jai na (chhobir gunagun-er bicharey noi).
>
> Truffaut-r "Four Hundred Blows" khub "personal" | OtoTa na holeo
> Satyajit-er "Aparajito"teo kintu personal element aachhe |
>
> New Wave
> > cinemar onyano gunaboli (attributes) bad diye amar kachhey ei dikta
> > bhishon guruttopurno maney hoyechhey, je chalochitrokar dorshokder
> > shangey akta sharashari jogajog'e lipto hochhen, kahinir dwander modhye
> > diye noi, visuals er madhyomey, episodes'er madhyomey shristikartar
> > maner dwidha, anonondo, shukher katha darsaker kachhey pNouchhoi.
> > Pharashi nouvelle vague'er ei choritro'ta amar bhishon chokhey
> > poRechhey.
> >
>
> Ei gungulo ki onyo kono chhobite aashe na ba aashtey paare na ?
> e.g, "Mahanagar"-e Satyajit-er obosthan-Ta kon dikey sheTa bujhtey
> khub oshubidha hoi na | Otoeb tini "communicate" korchhen. Ei
> "communication" kintu Mahanagar-er shurur dikey onekTai aashey chhoTo
> chhoTo drishyer madhyome, jekhaney golper "dramatic element" prai
> onuposthit. Rojkar ghoTona nichhok "dyakhar" guney onek kichhui
> communicate korey dorshoker kaachhe.
>
> Ritwik "personal" eTa khanikTa mani. Kintu eTa chhara "New Wave"-er
> porichalokder shonge tNaar style-e mil kishey eTa amar kaachhe porishkar
> noi. Borong "intensity"r dik thheke Bunuel-er kachhakachhi aykTa
> obosthan jor korey Tana geleo jetey paare (ebong Ritwik Bunuel-er
> gunomugdho - e kotha besh jorgolatey bolten-o).
Ami style'er arthey bolini. New Wave porichalokder style ak ak joner
alada dharoner, kintu mil jeta paoa jai sheta holo tader kajgulor
choritrey - arthat je tatto thekey New Wave Cinemar shuru (arthat Andre
Bazin'r 'Cinema Auture'), Ritwick'er chhobitey tar kichhu upadan achhey
boley maney hoyechhey amar ar shei jannei Ritwick'ke New Wave bala.
Ei prashongey boley rakhi amar smritishokti khub kharap ar Film
aesthetics shombondhey bishesh paRashona nei, tai beshi tarko korley
raney bhango deoa chaRa upai thakbey na. Ekhaney ja likhchhi shabey amar
byaktigato maney haoar bhittitey.
>
>
> > Onyo dikey tathakathito Mani Kaul ityadider Indian New Wave amar kachhey
> > bhishon nakol legechhey -
>
> Bolen ki ? Ritwik-er shobthheke priyo tin chhatrer dujon holen eNra! :-)
Hotei parey - amar maney hoyechhey shab kichhui bhishon aropito. Mid ba
late twenties'er Russian chhobitey dekhben - shabai prai Eisenstein'er
Film Form thekey copy book khelchhen, kintu dekhey man bharey na, maney
hoi jaano Geoff Boycott century korchhey.
>
> anekta Kolkatai shaat ebong shottor doshoker
> > natokey jor korey Brechtio alienation anar jonye poster byabohar karar
> > mato.
> >
>
> Mani Kaul/Kumar Shahani'r chhobi diye bharotiyo "New Wave"ke maaptey
> gele kintu bhul kora hobey. In fact, oNder chhobi aykebarei onyorokom.
> Pashapashi notun style ebong bishoy niye aro onek porichalok uThey
> eshechhilen.
Jaamon?
>
> > New Wave'er chhobigulo je rokom bhabey nagorik jiboner dwando jotilata
> > eney hajir karey - je khaney kahini upolokhyo matro, shei rokom
> > Ritwick'er chhobiteo kahini upolokhyo matro, akta kal uposthapito hoi
> > Ritwicker prai shab chhobitei tar shomosto jotlata niyei. Ei arthei
> > Nouvelle Vague ene phelechhilam.
>
> Pather pNachali ba Aparajito-ke taholey "New Wave" bola jabe ki ? Golpo
> ki khub gurutwopurno ei duTotei ? Amar to mone hoi visuals-er madhyome
> Manikbabu jebhabey byektimoner joTilota dhorechhen taar dharekachheo
> onek tabor tabor porichalok pouchhotey paarben na | Apni "Four Hundred
> Blows" ebong "Pather PNachali"ke pashapashi rekhey tulona korun. jiboner
> dwondo joTilota duTotei ayki bhabey eshey hajir hoina ki ? Kintu aykTa
> "New Wave", onyoTa poshakibhabey ta noi!
Ami Pather PNachali ebong Four Hundred Blows'er taphat korbo ei jaiga
thekey, 400 Blows'er prodhan choritro hochhey jakey baley 'enfant
terrible' - 400 Blows'er agey Truffaut akta 'Brats' baley short film
korechhilen, bishoi aki tabey shei arthjey kono kendriya choritro
chhilona, ar shab miliye amra dekhi je less than ideal childhood kintu
PP'tey dekhi Apu shato obhab, daridryo shatteo akta ideal chhelebela
eney hajir karey. Ak arthey Pather PNachali anek universal. Apu
trilogy'r (bishesh korey Pather PNachali ebong Aparajito) modhye je
personal elements achhey sheta amaro maney hoi thik bolechhen.
>
> Amar nijer mot, Ritwik ja bolechhilen, taar kachhakachhi. "New Wave"
> tokma-Ta nichhoki oi tokmai. AykTa shomoike bojhabar jonye. Bajhhik
> kichhu mil thhakleo New Wave-er porichalok-ra nijera totoTai alada,
> jotoTa prithibir aro onek porichalok, ayke oporer thheke.
>
> > >
> > > etakey obyshyo ar
> > > > adhunik bodh hoi bala jabena, kaanona ei genre'tao to chollish bochhor
> > > > holo, tahloeo amar kaamon maney hoi Ritwick, Bangla ba Bharotiyo cinemar
> > > > adhuniktamo parichalok.
> > > >
> > >
> > > shilpe jaake "adhunik" bola hoi (jyamon "adhunik" kobita ba "adhunik"
> > > chhobi) shei orthey Ritwik-ke ki Thik "adhunik" bola jai ?
> >
> > Reality'key nijer mato korey dyakha - reality ebong fantasy'r
> > sheemarekha'key ichhey korey miliye deoa, ei shab lokkhon'er thekei
> > Ritwick'er chhobikey ami adhunik bolechhi.
>
> Amar mone hoina ei miliye deoaTa Ritwik khub shilposhommoto bhabey
> korechhen shobshomoi. Dhorun Subarnarekha-te Bijon Bhattacharya (ki
> kharap obhineta!) jokhon kolkatai eshey Eliot auratey shuru koren tokhon
> sheTake mamuli kono Bangla chhobir drishyo mone hoi, fantasy mone hoina.
> Ritwik prai-i "La Dloce Vita"r kotha bolten. Oi drishye taar probhab
> shusposhTo..kintu konobhabei ta Fellini-r chhobir moto "subtle" hoye
> uThtey paare na. Bhalo udahoron oboshyo kichhu aachhe...jyamon
> Subarnarekha-te Bohurupir abhirbhab khubi shilposhommoto mone hoyechhilo
> | Abar "Barik Thheke Paliye"-r fantasy khubi kNacha mone hoyechhilo.
> Apni aro kichhu udahoron diley alochona-Ta jombe |
Boleichhi to amar smritishokti khub kharap ar ami Ritwick Ghataker
chhobi gulo shesh dekhechhi 1978'e, tao maney karar cheshta korchhi -
du-ekdin shomoi lagbey.
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> Thanks,
> Arnab.
- Shubhechhantey,
Partha
Srabani Banerjee
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > ye, manet eta ektu barabaRi hoye gyalo na? apnar biroktikor lagtei paare
> > - kintu tai bole Woody Allen-er self-mockery-ke `jor kore duniyar
> > shomshya hishebe portary kora' baniye dilen? ektu cinema dhore dhore
> > bolun na eta kothay korlen.
>
> Ei boita r age Broadway niye je boita korlen , seta ki chilo . Kothai kon
> golite ki hoichhe tai liberalism er name somajer mul somoshya hoie
> dNarabe?
ei boita, oi boita bolle bojha shokto - ektu naamgulo diye bolun na.
Broadway shunlei to amar Broadway Danny Rose monet hoy - kintu she to
ashi-r doshok-e tola. apni dekhechhen?
ke kar bou ke niye bhagchhe tar songye Marx saheber ki jogajog
> ke jane ,
Marx saheb jodi Groucho Marx hoten tahole nahoy tobu-o bhebe dyakha
jeto, kintu apnara to shob byaparei Karl Marx-ke na ene paren na. mairi
janina ki jogajog, apni-i bolun borong.
> tar songye proletariat consciousness er i ba ki achhe.
`proletariat consciousness' chhaRa cinema hoy na, eta-i ki basic
premise?
Ekhon
> nijer dottok palita konyake onkosayini koratake uni anti-bourgois
> proletariat songram bole challachhen ,
ki kando! tai bolechhen naki? BTW, ekta tothyogoto bhul achhe ekhane -
`nijer dottok....' noy. oi bhodromohilake dottok niyechhilen Mia Farrow
ebong Andre Previn.
kintu er shathe cinema-r shomporkotao jodi ektu bojhan...
bojho ....MArx saheb bhagyyish
> more bhut hoie tin dozen khanek re-incarnation hoie nirvan labh korechhen
> , na hole ki je hoto . Satyajit Roy ke dorkar hoto , MArxer poroborti
> Jaismar der niye goppo lekhar jonne ...
!!!
> > Ritwik-er shomshya-ta deshbhaag na hoye koshthokathinyo holeo ki ek-i
> > kotha bolten? eta-o kintu bangalider boRo shomshya.
>
> Deshbhaag ar kosthokathinyer modhye kar parthokker modhye elemental
> parthokko Ritwik bujhten ,
ki elemental parthokyo khub jante ichchhe korchhilo, tobe kina oi aager
part-ta withdraw korechhi - tai thaak, nahoy.
tai nijer modyopota ke somoajer somoshya
> hishebe dekhan ni , jukti tokke okhanei resh tenechhen.
kintu Woody Allen shob cinemate bole diyechhen je onar problem manet
shomaj-er problem. comedy dekhar ato hyapa ke janto mairi!!
> Eto sundar bojhar khomota apnar
bujhechhi!!! aRe khisti korchhen, tai na?
othochho dukher byapar village
> schoolmaster er mathar size niye kobi chomokitoi roilen , tarpor ar kono
> kobi jonmalo na apnake dekhe murhho hobar moton ...
chondrbindu-r cho, beRaler talobyo-sho, rumaler ma...
Srabani
Sambit Basu
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> Sambit Basu wrote:
> na bodhoy. thakleo amar kachhe nei. eta purely personal opinion -
> charpaasher roga pyangla khitkhite bangalider dekhe monet hoy. ta babu-r
> jodi khub gaa-e lege thake tahole nahoy withdraw korlam.
Shei bhalo, personal opinion diye ki aar eshob ye chole! Charpaasher
boDolok-er aadure motashota nyaka bongo-sonatan dekhe amar "personal
opinion"-ta ulto chhilo!
Sambit
Soumitra Bose
Dondo-sonkot mane jekhane shilpi kono contradiction e bhugchhen, kono
uttor nei , jemon Jukti tokko goppo te naxal guerillader sathe Ritwiker
bartalap e bojhachhen je sei chelera tNAr Bhondamo o modhyobitto bhndamo
dhore phelechhe , kintu Che Guevarake niye atisojye Ritwik onder bhul
dhoriye dichhen ar nikotoborti krishoksongramer sathe kono jogajog na
rekhe lorai chaliye jowar moto bokamo sei chelera korchhe , ei dui er
modhye ritwiker frustration prokash pachhye Camera r muke mod dhele
dewoar modhye kintu kono uttor nei . Ekta samogrik uttor pachhen na .
Satyajit babu Agantuk e post-modern hoie gelen , Jugian hoie gelen kintu
bhishon assertively . MAma ekebare shob uttor jana mastarmoshai .Jodi tar
modhye poriborton hoi to seta nijer modhyei kono kichu sekhar dorkar nei
, karon tini je biswobidalayei porechhen ekebare first hoie beriye
eshechhen.
Ashoni sonket e ek dhoroner cahlcitro powa jai tobe Gramer MAster er
dondo kotota kaj korechhe ma ki kono rokome gondogol ta utre gelei jyano
bNeche jawoa hoi etai dekhano holo . Gramer master tar sundari bou ke
niye gramei roie gelo , kintu Bouer bandhobira ,ar somosto gram jar tar
hat dhore ek mutho bahater ashai ojana sorbonashe jhNap dilo .Sobar
sheshe projapoti kintu thik neche beralo ,bangla abar sonar banglai holo.
Protidondwi te sesh porjonto sei grame giye pakhi kintu thiki daklo ,
sohor theke ragi jubak paliye eshe ekta sukhi chakri ar swastir muffaisl
sohor peye gelo ..Shob jyano "Melaben tini MElaben " gocher , shob jyano
kothao happy ending hoieie jai , shob jyano somadhan hoiei jay. Tai
Agauntuker MAma shob mitiye diye chole gelen , jara roilo tara shukehei
roilo , onekta JohnWayne er shomoier western ba Clint Eastwooder Western
er shesher tar moto. Shob kintu bhalor jonnei hoi ...Bhagowan ja koren
mongoler jonnei ,,,,,,, etai dwhidha-dondo heen assertion .Er biporite
Subarnorekhai Bhai giye beshyabarite boner ghore giye dhuklo o murcha
gelo ....Jokhon proshno kora hoiechhilo Ritwik bolechilen ...Protiti
Udbastu mohilai karo na karo bon , bangaleer ontaratma r bon , ar etai
hoito hobe porishesh ....etai shomajer dwidha-dondo ar byakti-manusher
dwhidha-donder melbondhon , jar kono uttor shilpi r kache nei , tobe
bedonata achhe ...
Soumitra Bose
bhalo ...
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> > Arnab Gupta wrote:
> > >
> > > Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > ..[deleted]..
> > >
> > > > prokash kora ekta sat proyash bote . Ami ekta jinish bhabi , ekta
> > > > discourse .... somajer proshno gulor modhye je dwondo-songkot,
> > > > dwidha-dondo seta kemon kore byaktimononer modhye dwidhar upokrom kore ba
> > > > kibhabe byakti monone probhab phele ebong byakti monone ki dhoroner
> > > > dwidha-dondo toiri kore tar protipholon kintu onek beshi relevant somaj
> > > > er pshyche bujhte .
> > >
> > > bolechhilen je tini naki "social content" na thhakley noshyi nyan na..
> > >
> > > > , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> > > > dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> > > > byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> > > > portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> > > > thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
> > >
> > >
> > > ..[deleted]..
> > >
> > > Arnab.
> >
> > kaman ,
>
> apnaar raager karon ?
Seta ki bola achhe ??? Jeta bolchi setai mean korchi ba bolchi , er mane
to ei noi je shob shomoiei inverse transformation tar inverse uttor hote
hobe .
>
> > shudhu kichu media take liberal bolen bole ,
>
> media kaukey "liberal" bollo ki na bollo tNar shonge tNar chhobir
> gunagun-er ki shomporko ?
American liberalism er institutional example er rup ta dekhate chaichhi.
Chobiir gunagun niye to kothai hochhe . Liberalism er sathe Nouvel vague
er andoloner parthokko niye kotha hochhe .
>
> loke tai dekhte jai
> > , rabri na pele loke nordomai khabe . ekhane Goddard jonmai na ,
>
> To ? France-e Hollywood jonmiyechhe ? Godard chhara ki cinema hoina ?
Goddard er naam eshechhe nouvel vague er alochonai ekjon probortoker
hishebe . Chobii hoi na ki hoi eshob kotha obantor noi ki ???France e to
shobcheye beshi pornographic boi hoi , ta niye to kotha hochhe na .
>
> Arnab.
Soumitra Bose
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> > > ye, manet eta ektu barabaRi hoye gyalo na? apnar biroktikor lagtei paare
> > > - kintu tai bole Woody Allen-er self-mockery-ke `jor kore duniyar
> > > shomshya hishebe portary kora' baniye dilen? ektu cinema dhore dhore
> > > bolun na eta kothay korlen.
> >
> > Ei boita r age Broadway niye je boita korlen , seta ki chilo . Kothai kon
> > golite ki hoichhe tai liberalism er name somajer mul somoshya hoie
> > dNarabe?
Puro naamta mone nei , ki jyano "Shooting in Broadway" na ki ekta .
bodhoi 1994 y hoiechilo.
>
> ei boita, oi boita bolle bojha shokto - ektu naamgulo diye bolun na.
> Broadway shunlei to amar Broadway Danny Rose monet hoy - kintu she to
> ashi-r doshok-e tola. apni dekhechhen?
>
> ke kar bou ke niye bhagchhe tar songye Marx saheber ki jogajog
> > ke jane ,
>
> Marx saheb jodi Groucho Marx hoten tahole nahoy tobu-o bhebe dyakha
> jeto, kintu apnara to shob byaparei Karl Marx-ke na ene paren na. mairi
> janina ki jogajog, apni-i bolun borong.
Woody Karl Dadur kothai bolechilen . Samk bandopadhya alochona sobha
gulote Marx er namer sathe Gruchho naamta bole beraten eta dekhanor jonne
je tini markin muluker byapar shyapar sommondhye obohito thaken .Ei shob
dispesia i bhoga antlamor scope Kolkatar adda khana ba rastar more sthani
petona , e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
>
> > tar songye proletariat consciousness er i ba ki achhe.
>
> `proletariat consciousness' chhaRa cinema hoy na, eta-i ki basic
> premise?Faltu kotha bolen kyano , bakyo take ektu bujhun tarpor na hoi retort
korun . Woody Allen amar purbokothito boitite o poroboti interview te ei
meye mayer somporko o baba meyer somporko ke bourgeois consciousness bole
gal diyechhen ebong bolechhen je proletariat consciousness eguloke naki
bhenge phelbe , ami takei kotaksho korechhi . Er songye ki diye boi hoi
ar ki diye hoi na she alochona kotha theke elo .
Adda r shobchheye biroktikor shomoi ashe johon :kisher modhye ki panta
bhate Ghee " jatio montobbo chNure dewoa hoi . Apnara ki kokhono
kolkdatai adda denni? na ki ekebare sei training er cHNowa panni ?? na
pele ekhon onek deri hoie gechhe , ei markin muluker internet diye se
ghatti puron kora dushkar . Adda ekta art i noi discipline ebong
professionalism o bote .
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
..[deleted]..
> > > > Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
> > > > > , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> > > > > dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> > > > > byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> > > > > portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> > > > > thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
> > > >
> > > > Er biporit-dhormi chhobigulike ki bola jai ? "gonodhorshon" cholbe ?
> > > >
> > > > ..[deleted]..
> > > >
> > > > Arnab.
> > >
> > > Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> > > kaman ,
> >
> > Aar onyera "social content" eneo poisha kamatey paaren na - eTai ki
> > apnaar raager karon ?
>
> Seta ki bola achhe ???
tai ? taholey hoThat chhobir bishoye alochonai director poisha
koren kina ei niye porlen kyano ? Apnii kotha tulechhen, ami noi.
Jeta bolchi setai mean korchi ba bolchi , er mane
> to ei noi je shob shomoiei inverse transformation tar inverse uttor hote
> hobe .
>
> >
> > > shudhu kichu media take liberal bolen bole ,
> >
> > media kaukey "liberal" bollo ki na bollo tNar shonge tNar chhobir
> > gunagun-er ki shomporko ?
>
> American liberalism er institutional example er rup ta dekhate chaichhi.
> Chobiir gunagun niye to kothai hochhe . Liberalism er sathe Nouvel vague
> er andoloner parthokko niye kotha hochhe .
>
eshob chhNedo kotha baad diye chhobir alochona korun na!
> >
> > loke tai dekhte jai
> > > , rabri na pele loke nordomai khabe . ekhane Goddard jonmai na ,
> >
> > To ? France-e Hollywood jonmiyechhe ? Godard chhara ki cinema hoina ?
>
> Goddard er naam eshechhe nouvel vague er alochonai ekjon probortoker
> hishebe .
Nouvelle Vague na ene Woody Allen-er chhobi alochona kora jai na ?
> Chobii hoi na ki hoi eshob kotha obantor noi ki ???
Apni "obantor" maaneTa Thik janen to ? SposhTo bolun to Woody Allen
bhalo laagar shonge Godard America-te na jonmanor shomporko ki ?
France e to
> shobcheye beshi pornographic boi hoi , ta niye to kotha hochhe na .
>
Bojhen dekhchhi! Taholey aar Godard teney ene dhokaben na alochonai!
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Arindam wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > ..[deleted]..
> >
> > > > Satyajitbabu'r opor raager (naki abhimaan ;)..) karon ta-o to thik bojha gelo
> > > > na. Ektu Bujhiye likhbey?
> > >
> > > Nijoshyo kono dondo sonkot Satyajiter boi er modhye diye prokashito hoina
> > > , uni ekdom assertively shob bole thaken .
> > >
> >
> > Kirokom ? "generalised statement" na korey kichhu udahoron ditey
> > paren ?
> >
> > Arnab.
>
> Dondo-sonkot mane jekhane shilpi kono contradiction e bhugchhen, kono
> uttor nei , jemon Jukti tokko goppo te naxal guerillader sathe Ritwiker
> bartalap e bojhachhen je sei chelera tNAr Bhondamo o modhyobitto bhndamo
> dhore phelechhe , kintu Che Guevarake niye atisojye Ritwik onder bhul
> dhoriye dichhen ar nikotoborti krishoksongramer sathe kono jogajog na
> rekhe lorai chaliye jowar moto bokamo sei chelera korchhe , ei dui er
> modhye ritwiker frustration prokash pachhye Camera r muke mod dhele
> dewoar modhye kintu kono uttor nei . Ekta samogrik uttor pachhen na .
>
Maane ayke oporer oporchalaki dhorey phelchhe ?
> Satyajit babu Agantuk e post-modern hoie gelen , Jugian hoie gelen kintu
> bhishon assertively . MAma ekebare shob uttor jana mastarmoshai .Jodi tar
> modhye poriborton hoi to seta nijer modhyei kono kichu sekhar dorkar nei
> , karon tini je biswobidalayei porechhen ekebare first hoie beriye
> eshechhen.
>
ayk...
> Ashoni sonket e ek dhoroner cahlcitro powa jai tobe Gramer MAster er
> dondo kotota kaj korechhe ma ki kono rokome gondogol ta utre gelei jyano
> bNeche jawoa hoi etai dekhano holo . Gramer master tar sundari bou ke
> niye gramei roie gelo , kintu Bouer bandhobira ,ar somosto gram jar tar
> hat dhore ek mutho bahater ashai ojana sorbonashe jhNap dilo .Sobar
> sheshe projapoti kintu thik neche beralo ,bangla abar sonar banglai holo.
prajapati-r byapare Satyajit-er mot chhilo ei je oi monwontor-e
prokritir kono bhumika chhilona...chhilo manusher. Shei karonei tini
bright colour ebong oi dhoroner drishyo byabohaar korechhilen. ETar
shonge aykmot hotey hobey erokom kono kotha nei kintu Satyajit ekhaney
"assertive" kirokom ta bojha gyalo na.
> Protidondwi te sesh porjonto sei grame giye pakhi kintu thiki daklo ,
> sohor theke ragi jubak paliye eshe ekta sukhi chakri ar swastir muffaisl
> sohor peye gelo ..Shob jyano "Melaben tini MElaben " gocher , shob jyano
> kothao happy ending hoieie jai , shob jyano somadhan hoiei jay.
Apni bodhoi mon diye chhobiTa dyakhenni noiley erokom hashyokor kotha
bolten na. ARale "raam naam satya hyai" shunechhilen ? Aar dwondo-i
jodi bolen tobey "Protidwondi" aykTa interesting udahoron hotey paare.
Satyajit nije bolechhilen je Shiddharto-r bhai-er choritro tNake
"interested" korey toley ni. Shey dedicated nokshal, aykbogga, tar
kono "contradiction" nei. Taar thheke onek interesting Siddhartha-r
choritro. Aar kichhu bojhen na bojhen Siddhartha-r dwondoTuku ontoto
apnaar onubhob korar kotha.
Anyway, Satyajit ekhaney assertive kothai bolen ni kintu.
Tai
> Agauntuker MAma shob mitiye diye chole gelen , jara roilo tara shukehei
> roilo , onekta JohnWayne er shomoier western ba Clint Eastwooder Western
> er shesher tar moto. Shob kintu bhalor jonnei hoi ...Bhagowan ja koren
> mongoler jonnei ,,,,,,, etai dwhidha-dondo heen assertion .
Abar ghurey phire Aguntuk-e.
Er biporite
> Subarnorekhai Bhai giye beshyabarite boner ghore giye dhuklo o murcha
> gelo ....Jokhon proshno kora hoiechhilo Ritwik bolechilen ...Protiti
> Udbastu mohilai karo na karo bon , bangaleer ontaratma r bon , ar etai
> hoito hobe porishesh ....etai shomajer dwidha-dondo ar byakti-manusher
> dwhidha-donder melbondhon , jar kono uttor shilpi r kache nei , tobe
> bedonata achhe ...
Amar mot-e Ritwik-er chhobir khub "weak" point-gulor moddhe aykTa
holo ei dhoroner bosta-pocha melodrama. Gune dekhben - Subarnarekha-i
besh kichhu aachhe. Tollywood-er chhobi holey apnii galagali diten,
kono shondeho nei.
Taholey Satyajiter tirisher upor chhobir thheke guney tinTey udahoron
baar korlen jaar moddhe duTo kibhabey "assertive" ta porishkaar bollen
na. Aar ekTu bhabun.
Arnab.
Srabani Banerjee
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > > Ei boita r age Broadway niye je boita korlen , seta ki chilo . Kothai kon
> > > golite ki hoichhe tai liberalism er name somajer mul somoshya hoie
> > > dNarabe?
>
> Puro naamta mone nei , ki jyano "Shooting in Broadway" na ki ekta .
> bodhoi 1994 y hoiechilo.
`Bullets over Broadway' ki? ami dekhini - tobe du-ekta review poRechhi -
tar bhittite kichhu bola uchit noy. tao, kono Marxist overtones chhilo
bole shunini - apni arektu precisely bolle shubidhe hoy. tobe apni
kolkatay adda merechhen - shei honour-e handwaving diye purotai chaliye
dite paren. kaar ghaRe kota matha je apotti kore?
> Woody Karl Dadur kothai bolechilen .
bolechhilen manet? kothay bolechhilen? cinema-y? interview-te?
Samk bandopadhya alochona sobha
> gulote Marx er namer sathe Gruchho naamta bole beraten eta dekhanor jonne
> je tini markin muluker byapar shyapar sommondhye obohito thaken .
o ma, tai???
Ei shob
> dispesia i bhoga antlamor scope Kolkatar adda khana ba rastar more sthani
> petona ,
baaje boka-ta bhalo-i sthan peto bojha jachchhe.
e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
> bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
> > > tar songye proletariat consciousness er i ba ki achhe.
> >
> > `proletariat consciousness' chhaRa cinema hoy na, eta-i ki basic
> > premise? Faltu kotha bolen kyano , bakyo take ektu bujhun tarpor na hoi retort
> korun . Woody Allen amar purbokothito boitite o poroboti interview te ei
> meye mayer somporko o baba meyer somporko ke bourgeois consciousness bole
> gal diyechhen ebong bolechhen je proletariat consciousness eguloke naki
> bhenge phelbe , ami takei kotaksho korechhi .
eta bodhoy tahole `Bullets over Broadway' noy - tar ja storyline tate to
maa-baba-meye - eshob-er scope khub ekta achhe bole monet hoyna. tao,
interview-ta kothay chhilo monet poRle bolben.
Er songye ki diye boi hoi
> ar ki diye hoi na she alochona kotha theke elo .
>
> Adda r shobchheye biroktikor shomoi ashe johon :kisher modhye ki panta
> bhate Ghee " jatio montobbo chNure dewoa hoi . Apnara ki kokhono
> kolkdatai adda denni? na ki ekebare sei training er cHNowa panni ?? na
> pele ekhon onek deri hoie gechhe , ei markin muluker internet diye se
> ghatti puron kora dushkar . Adda ekta art i noi discipline ebong
> professionalism o bote .
boddo baaje boken, mairi bolchhi.
Srabani
Arnab Gupta
Partha Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > > Buddhabeb Dasgupta shombondhey ami kaano janina khub uchhoshito hotey
> > > prina. Chhobigulo porichhono bhabey banano - ei porjonto, oboshyo ami
> > > bohudin cinema dekhini, tai jor diye kichhu boltey itostato kori,
> > > taholeo
> > > Buddhadeb Dasgupta'r chhobigulo amakey konodiny naRa daini, bisheshato
> > > Nim Annapurna dekhey besh biroktoi legechhilo.
> > >
> >
> > Ami chhobir gunagun-er kotha bolchhina. Aapni cholochchitre porichaloker
> > "byakti shotta" dhora porar je proshongo tulechhilen taari kichhu
> > udahoron dichchhilam.
> >
>
> Ami Buddhadeb Dasgupta'r chhobir dosh-gun bichar kortey jaini. Amar
> kachhey maney hoyechhey jodi kono parichalok tar chhobir darshak'er
> shangey akta byaktgato jogshutro toiri kortey paren - arthat chhobi ta
> dekhtey dekhtey je byakti chhobir porichalok tar personality'ta onubhab
> kara jai, sheta chhobir akta attribute (jutshoi bangla mathai ashchhey
> na).
Satyajiter chhobi thheke Satyajit-ke chena jai na ? Ritwik-er chhobi
thheke jeTa shorashori porishkaar hoi ta holo deshbhag niye onar
"obsession". Kintu eTa chhara Ritwik-er chhobi dekhey Ritwik-er
shommondhe jerokom andaaj kora jai, amar dharona Satyajit-er shomporkeo
sherokom kora jetey paare. EkTu shokto hotey paare oboshyo, karon
Ritwik-er cheye Satyajit onek beshi "subtle".
..[deleted]..
> > Amar Thik ulToTa mone hoyechhilo. Ei prothom Satyajit "direct statement"
> > korechhen nijer chhobite (abar boli, ami cholochchitrer gunagun-er
> > bicharey jachchhi na) | "Agantuk"-e Satyajit-er shesh boyesher
> > drishTibhongir besh bhalo probhab aachhe | OnekTa Ritwik tNar chhobitey
> > jyamon direct statement korten, sherokom bhabei shegulo eshechhe.
>
> Amra jakhon kono shilpo karma'key bichar kori takhon shudhu shei kajti
> chaRa aro onyo anek kichhu shei bicharer upor prabhab phaley - keu balen
> sheta thik keu ba bhinnomat. Tabey shab shomoi dyakha jai je ei bicharer
> shomoi ager kaj, onyo madhyom aki bishoier upor kaj - kahinibhittik
> chhobi holey mul galpo ba upanyash, ei gulo bicharer modhye eshey paRey.
> Ritwick'er chhobitey shei rokom kichhu dwndo, dwidha, shankat'er
> dharabahikata paoa jai.
Udahoron chhara eTa clear hobey na. Jodi choritro o plot-er kotha bolen
tobey Titash/Ajantrik chhara beshirbhag khetrei sheigulike shada-kalo-te
bhag kore phyala jai. Shekhaney dwonder obokaash kothai ?
Sheta Satyajit'er Ganoshotru ba Agontuk'e paoa
> jaina, maney kichhu bishaye Satyajit tNar press statement korchhen hoito
> mul dhara'r thekey ektu alada kintu unar dharatao akta chalu dhara
> (sheta oboshyo hotei parey) - amar proshno, akta kaj thekey arekta kajey
> tar dwidha-dwander dharabahikatar onuposthititi niye.
Amar udahoronTa chhilo apnaar "Ar kono cholochitrokarer
byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina." bakyotar
poriprekshitey. Agontuk-e khub "direct" statement aachhe kono shondeho
nei, kintu apni jodi ei shomoi deoa Satyajit-er interview -gulo poren
(ba dyakhen) taholey dekhben boktobyogulo kachhakachhi (byakti shottar
protipholon).
..[deleted]..
> > Alan Resnais-ke khubi "personal" mone hoyechhilo ("Hiroshima Mon Amour"
> > ba "Last Night at Marienbad). Godard "style"e nijoshyo riti toiri
> > korechhilen kintu onar chhobi-ke "personal" ki orthey jai sheTa amar
> > kachhe porishkar noi. Ontoto Bresson, Bergman , Tarkovsky ba Woody
>
> Godard'er 'Far from Vietnam', 'Letter to Jane', 'Week End' ba Zdiga
> Vertov period'er prai pratyekta chhobi tNar bibbhino shankat'er prakash
> ghatiyechhey.
>
Shudhu "weekend"Tai dekhechhi, kintu kichhu bolar moto nei (ba pai ni).
Amar boktobyo ei je New Wave chharao apni Ritwik-er chhobir je gun-er
kotha bolchhen sheTa oneker chhobitei aro sposhTobhabey aachhe (uporey
jNader udahoron diyechhi). Othocho tNara keu-i "new wave"er non ebong
dujon New Wave-er ekTu age thhekei chhobi toiri shuru korechhilen.
..[deleted]..
> > Ritwik "personal" eTa khanikTa mani. Kintu eTa chhara "New Wave"-er
> > porichalokder shonge tNaar style-e mil kishey eTa amar kaachhe porishkar
> > noi. Borong "intensity"r dik thheke Bunuel-er kachhakachhi aykTa
> > obosthan jor korey Tana geleo jetey paare (ebong Ritwik Bunuel-er
> > gunomugdho - e kotha besh jorgolatey bolten-o).
>
> Ami style'er arthey bolini. New Wave porichalokder style ak ak joner
> alada dharoner, kintu mil jeta paoa jai sheta holo tader kajgulor
> choritrey - arthat je tatto thekey New Wave Cinemar shuru (arthat Andre
> Bazin'r 'Cinema Auture'), Ritwick'er chhobitey tar kichhu upadan achhey
> boley maney hoyechhey amar ar shei jannei Ritwick'ke New Wave bala.
>
"Cinema Auteur" ba khub chhoTo korey director's cinema - bodhoi ageo
chhilo, jodio Bazin theorize koren puro byaparTakey (bodhoi America-r
chhobi bananor "system" tNar pochhonder chhilo na boley).
> > Bolen ki ? Ritwik-er shobthheke priyo tin chhatrer dujon holen eNra! :-)
>
> Hotei parey - amar maney hoyechhey shab kichhui bhishon aropito. Mid ba
> late twenties'er Russian chhobitey dekhben - shabai prai Eisenstein'er
> Film Form thekey copy book khelchhen, kintu dekhey man bharey na, maney
> hoi jaano Geoff Boycott century korchhey.
>
PuroTa shotti noi. Pudovkin, Dovzhenko, Dziga Vertov eNaarao chhobi
korechhen oi shomoi ebong eNra protyekeri film-theory-te nijoshyo
obodaan aachhe.
> >
> > anekta Kolkatai shaat ebong shottor doshoker
> > > natokey jor korey Brechtio alienation anar jonye poster byabohar karar
> > > mato.
> > >
> >
> > Mani Kaul/Kumar Shahani'r chhobi diye bharotiyo "New Wave"ke maaptey
> > gele kintu bhul kora hobey. In fact, oNder chhobi aykebarei onyorokom.
> > Pashapashi notun style ebong bishoy niye aro onek porichalok uThey
> > eshechhilen.
>
> Jaamon?
>
Mrinal Sen (Bhuvan Shome), Basu Chatterjee (Sara Akaash), Pattavi Rama
Reddy (Samskara), Shyam Bengegal (Ankur), M S Sathyu (Garam Hawa), Avtar
Kaul (27 Down), Ravindra Dharmaraj (Chakra), Adoor Gopalakrishnan,
Aravindan, Girish Kasravalli, John Abraham, Syed Akhtar Mirza...list
choltei thhakbey. Bharater chalachchitrer itihaash-er khub bhlao shomoi
sheTa. ENder porey aaro aykTa notun generation eshechhilo jatey
Buddhadev, Aparna, Gautam Ghosh, Govind Nihalani eNra chhilen.
> >
> > > New Wave'er chhobigulo je rokom bhabey nagorik jiboner dwando jotilata
> > > eney hajir karey - je khaney kahini upolokhyo matro, shei rokom
> > > Ritwick'er chhobiteo kahini upolokhyo matro, akta kal uposthapito hoi
> > > Ritwicker prai shab chhobitei tar shomosto jotlata niyei. Ei arthei
> > > Nouvelle Vague ene phelechhilam.
> >
> > Pather pNachali ba Aparajito-ke taholey "New Wave" bola jabe ki ? Golpo
> > ki khub gurutwopurno ei duTotei ? Amar to mone hoi visuals-er madhyome
> > Manikbabu jebhabey byektimoner joTilota dhorechhen taar dharekachheo
> > onek tabor tabor porichalok pouchhotey paarben na | Apni "Four Hundred
> > Blows" ebong "Pather PNachali"ke pashapashi rekhey tulona korun. jiboner
> > dwondo joTilota duTotei ayki bhabey eshey hajir hoina ki ? Kintu aykTa
> > "New Wave", onyoTa poshakibhabey ta noi!
>
> Ami Pather PNachali ebong Four Hundred Blows'er taphat korbo ei jaiga
> thekey, 400 Blows'er prodhan choritro hochhey jakey baley 'enfant
> terrible' - 400 Blows'er agey Truffaut akta 'Brats' baley short film
> korechhilen, bishoi aki tabey shei arthjey kono kendriya choritro
> chhilona, ar shab miliye amra dekhi je less than ideal childhood kintu
> PP'tey dekhi Apu shato obhab, daridryo shatteo akta ideal chhelebela
> eney hajir karey. Ak arthey Pather PNachali anek universal.
ETa bishoygoto parthokyo. Pather Panchali-r shishu Apu'r choritrer
onekTai Bibhutibabur kora....ebong sheTa shilposhommoto-o. Satyajit
golpo kaTa chhNera kortey paaren kintu Apur choritro niye sheTa koraTa
Thik hoto na | Anyway, Durgar choritro-take ki "ideal childhood" bola
jai (apni je orthey byabohaar korechhen)? bodhoi na |
Apu
> trilogy'r (bishesh korey Pather PNachali ebong Aparajito) modhye je
> personal elements achhey sheta amaro maney hoi thik bolechhen.
>
Aparajito-te aachhe mone hoyechhe. PP-te mone hoini.
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
> > Tumi dekhi Woody Allen shomporke kisui zanona. Roshikota bojhoni, omni
> > ayk haat niye nile...
> Shoumyo.Or chhobii dulo dekhechhi mairi . nijer poisha diye dekhini ei
bhyagyo
> bhalo ...
Soumitrababu Sholay dekhechhen? Poisa diye na na-diye? Tezaab?
QSQT?
Sambit
Arindam
Soumitra Bose writes:
>> Puro naamta mone nei , ki jyano "Shooting in Broadway" na ki ekta .
>> bodhoi 1994 y hoiechilo.
Soumitra-da:
Woody Allen chheRey din.
Woody Allen-er badey onyo kono American movie monE porchHe na? Ei jemon "Jingle
all the way"?
Ba "Liar liar"? Niden pokhye Rodney Dangerfield-er kichhu ekta? Ba Joe
Peschi'r?
Just curious :),
Arindam
Sambit Basu
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
> > bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
>
> seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
> ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
Soumitrababu-r ei alochona-y aar konot chance-i nei bolet monet
hochchhet.
Aarekta front khulun Soumitrababu.
Sambit
Soumitra Bose
Prokriti to nije nijeke dekhe na !!!! Titash e Ritwik sundar protkriti ke
dekhachhen (sesh scene ta te ) kolponai , prokrito obosthai take dhushar
dekhachhe . Moja ta hochhye Prokriti ar tar modhye kar lalito manushgulo
eke oporer theke bichhinno eta bojhatei hobe , tai manush morche jokhon ,
durer kahbar tar dike haat bariye ar dhrote parlo na karon tar agei
jibonishakti hariye gelo , jokhon kina bubhukkhu shishu mriter mukher
dike takeiye achhe kokhon se morbe ar morar songe songeyi khabar ta
chiniye nebe tokhon kintu kono machi bhon bhon korche na , kono shakun
opore chokkor dichhe na , kintu projapoti neche beracchhe , eta te o tini
shomosto swabolilota bisworjon diye jor kore nijer ideology ba statement
assert korchen na ? ta jotoi oswabhabik mone hok na keno ....
>
> > Protidondwi te sesh porjonto sei grame giye pakhi kintu thiki daklo ,
> > sohor theke ragi jubak paliye eshe ekta sukhi chakri ar swastir muffaisl
> > sohor peye gelo ..Shob jyano "Melaben tini MElaben " gocher , shob jyano
> > kothao happy ending hoieie jai , shob jyano somadhan hoiei jay.
>
> Apni bodhoi mon diye chhobiTa dyakhenni noiley erokom hashyokor kotha
> bolten na. ARale "raam naam satya hyai" shunechhilen ? Aar dwondo-i
> jodi bolen tobey "Protidwondi" aykTa interesting udahoron hotey paare.
Hyan otai assertion . Ram naam sat hai er pashapashi bohu diner hariye
jowa pakhi deke uthlo . purono dukho more jete jetei notun asha jege
uthlo , egulo happy ending epic e ba uponyasher jonne khasha , kintu
manusher asha-nirasha je ekta baro samajik chitrer ongshobukhto jekhane
nijer moddyei uttor kHnojar unmottota seta dekha jaini . Oi je bollam ,
barir buro dadur moto ...jeta Sambhu Mitra tNar "Chand BAniker Pala" e
bolechhen kotaskho kore "Shob kisu to uttorottor bhalor dikei hote
cholese , tai na ChandroDhar , ektu bhebe dekho , shobii to bahloi hosse
"... onekta burider assertion ..."Bhagoban shob bhalor diekei niye jaben
kintu "...
> Satyajit nije bolechhilen je Shiddharto-r bhai-er choritro tNake
> "interested" korey toley ni. Shey dedicated nokshal, aykbogga, tar
> kono "contradiction" nei. Taar thheke onek interesting Siddhartha-r
> choritro. Aar kichhu bojhen na bojhen Siddhartha-r dwondoTuku ontoto
> apnaar onubhob korar kotha.
Dedicated atmotyagi kono contradiction e bhogen na , eshob ekhon Satyajit
er kach theke shikte hobe ......Tini mohan kono sondeho nei , kintu
atmotyager bindumatro tini konodin dekhieyechen kina janina , tobe tini
jene gechhen je dedicated nakshal je morte cholechhe she ekebare ekboggya
, kono contradiction nei , nijer modhye lorai nei ....ba ba ....Erokom
kauke ekbar jiggyesh korei dekhun na ....Somaj theke beriye eshe othochho
physcically sei shomajer modhye thaka ta jodi contradiction na hoi ,
tahole ar ki . Camus'r rebel ba outsider Satyajit panchsho bar porechhen
, eta dhorei newo jai . byaktigoto obhigyota na thakleo secondary
obhigyota diye to manush onek kichu jane ba bojhe , jodi obosyo se jante
chai. Uni age thekei sidhhanto niye phellen ...
>
> Anyway, Satyajit ekhaney assertive kothai bolen ni kintu.
>
> Tai
> > Agauntuker MAma shob mitiye diye chole gelen , jara roilo tara shukehei
> > roilo , onekta JohnWayne er shomoier western ba Clint Eastwooder Western
> > er shesher tar moto. Shob kintu bhalor jonnei hoi ...Bhagowan ja koren
> > mongoler jonnei ,,,,,,, etai dwhidha-dondo heen assertion .
>
> Abar ghurey phire Aguntuk-e.Tate bishoi-protipadyo nostho hoie jai naki .
>
> Er biporite
> > Subarnorekhai Bhai giye beshyabarite boner ghore giye dhuklo o murcha
> > gelo ....Jokhon proshno kora hoiechhilo Ritwik bolechilen ...Protiti
> > Udbastu mohilai karo na karo bon , bangaleer ontaratma r bon , ar etai
> > hoito hobe porishesh ....etai shomajer dwidha-dondo ar byakti-manusher
> > dwhidha-donder melbondhon , jar kono uttor shilpi r kache nei , tobe
> > bedonata achhe ...
>
> Amar mot-e Ritwik-er chhobir khub "weak" point-gulor moddhe aykTa
> holo ei dhoroner bosta-pocha melodrama. Gune dekhben - Subarnarekha-i
> besh kichhu aachhe. Tollywood-er chhobi holey apnii galagali diten,
> kono shondeho nei.
Meldrama apnar bhalo na lagte pare , se niye to kotha hochhe na . Ami to
bolchina je Ritwik Satyajiter chaite onek Unchu MAner porichalok ...kotha
hochhye PArthodar shuru kora inner contradiction er prokash niye ....oi
porjontoi ...
>
> Taholey Satyajiter tirisher upor chhobir thheke guney tinTey udahoron
> baar korlen jaar moddhe duTo kibhabey "assertive" ta porishkaar bollen
> na. Aar ekTu bhabun.
Ekhane ami listi dite boshini . Udaharon manei ekta ki duto tule dhora .
Protyekta boitei ei shob janta assertion khnUje powa jai kom beshi .
>
> Arnab.
Soumitra Bose
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> > > > Ei boita r age Broadway niye je boita korlen , seta ki chilo . Kothai kon
> > > > golite ki hoichhe tai liberalism er name somajer mul somoshya hoie
> > > > dNarabe?
> >
> > bodhoi 1994 y hoiechilo.
>
> tar bhittite kichhu bola uchit noy. tao, kono Marxist overtones chhilo
> bole shunini - apni arektu precisely bolle shubidhe hoy. tobe apni
> kolkatay adda merechhen - shei honour-e handwaving diye purotai chaliye
> dite paren. kaar ghaRe kota matha je apotti kore?
Bolen ki ?? dialog er ekta boro ongshoi to Karl Dadu reference tene ....
>
> > Woody Karl Dadur kothai bolechilen .
>
> bolechhilen manet? kothay bolechhilen? cinema-y? interview-te?
Cinema te , ektu dekhun na videor dokan theke niye .Tini interview te to
prai i bole thaken , obosyo prosongyokromei ...
>
> Samk bandopadhya alochona sobha
> > gulote Marx er namer sathe Gruchho naamta bole beraten eta dekhanor jonne
> > je tini markin muluker byapar shyapar sommondhye obohito thaken .
>
> o ma, tai???
>
> Ei shob
> > dispesia i bhoga antlamor scope Kolkatar adda khana ba rastar more sthani
> > petona ,
>
> baaje boka-ta bhalo-i sthan peto bojha jachchhe.
Boroloker barite liing room e boshe baatkormo jara korten , jara konodin
adda byapartatei sthan korte parlen na , tader kachei puro addatai to
baje boka ar baje somoi nosto kora . Obhigyotar obhab ke mastani bole
chalano...
>
> e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
> > bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
>
> seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
> ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
Serious kora mane , seriously porashuno kora , seriously debate e
ongshogrohon kora , seriously discourse e jukto howa ar tar pore rajniti
ba lorai se to onek porer kotha . Adda oboshyoi khubii serious byapar
..Jnara adda mareni tara adda bolte mayeder hirki dewoa bojhen , karon
tNAder proyojoniyo anatomy ta nei shobar songye alochona korar ba barir
"sukhi griyokone shobhe gramaphone" er safety theke beriye ashar .
>
> > > > tar songye proletariat consciousness er i ba ki achhe.
> > >
> > > `proletariat consciousness' chhaRa cinema hoy na, eta-i ki basic
> > > premise? Faltu kotha bolen kyano , bakyo take ektu bujhun tarpor na hoi retort
> > korun . Woody Allen amar purbokothito boitite o poroboti interview te ei
> > meye mayer somporko o baba meyer somporko ke bourgeois consciousness bole
> > gal diyechhen ebong bolechhen je proletariat consciousness eguloke naki
> > bhenge phelbe , ami takei kotaksho korechhi .
>
> eta bodhoy tahole `Bullets over Broadway' noy - tar ja storyline tate to
> maa-baba-meye - eshob-er scope khub ekta achhe bole monet hoyna. tao,
> interview-ta kothay chhilo monet poRle bolben.
Na eta bortoman situation er opor tNAr BANIR kotha bolechhi . Uni village
voice e gyanogorbho motobbyo shob korechhen.
>
> Er songye ki diye boi hoi
> > ar ki diye hoi na she alochona kotha theke elo .
> >
> > Adda r shobchheye biroktikor shomoi ashe johon :kisher modhye ki panta
> > bhate Ghee " jatio montobbo chNure dewoa hoi . Apnara ki kokhono
> > kolkdatai adda denni? na ki ekebare sei training er cHNowa panni ?? na
> > pele ekhon onek deri hoie gechhe , ei markin muluker internet diye se
> > ghatti puron kora dushkar . Adda ekta art i noi discipline ebong
> > professionalism o bote .
>
> boddo baaje boken, mairi bolchhi.
Ektu adda mara ta na hoi notun kore practice e korun na kyano , deshe
giye . Pitripurusher safety theke ba poribaarer gheratop theke beriye
eshe ektu na hoi khola akashta dekhleni ...better late than never ....
>
> Srabani
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> > Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
>
> > > > > Ei prosongye Ritwik ke amar onke proyojoniyo mone hoi
> > > > > > , odike markin muluker dhyastamo , jemon Woody Allen er typical Jewish
> > > > > > dristibhonghi biroktikor. Judaism er itihaas ei trend ta achhe , nijer
> > > > > > byakti somoshya ba ijeder somoshya ke jor kore duniyar somoshya hishebe
> > > > > > portray kora ekta bodmaishi bolei mone hoi, er baire jyano prithibi nei ,
> > > > > > thakte nei. Seta sahityo ba shilpo noi , atmoroti .
> > > > >
> > > > > Er biporit-dhormi chhobigulike ki bola jai ? "gonodhorshon" cholbe ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ..[deleted]..
> > > > >
> > > > > Arnab.
> > > >
> > > > Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> > > > kaman ,
> > >
> > > Aar onyera "social content" eneo poisha kamatey paaren na - eTai ki
> > > apnaar raager karon ?
> >
> > Seta ki bola achhe ???
>
> tai ? taholey hoThat chhobir bishoye alochonai director poisha
> koren kina ei niye porlen kyano ? Apnii kotha tulechhen, ami noi.
Poisha kora ta bola hoechhe ei jonne je poisha korar jonne ideology r
dohai na diye ar paNchjon je rokom bhabe NAkab na rekhei korchhen seta
onek sat prochesta . Woody Allen er mukhe mukhe proletariat consciousness
ar bourgeois consciousness ke galagal dewoa ar nijer dirty laundry
dekhiye box office hit korar prochesta chilo alochyyo bishoibostu.
>
> Jeta bolchi setai mean korchi ba bolchi , er mane
> > to ei noi je shob shomoiei inverse transformation tar inverse uttor hote
> > hobe .
> >
> > >
> > > > shudhu kichu media take liberal bolen bole ,
> > >
> > > media kaukey "liberal" bollo ki na bollo tNar shonge tNar chhobir
> > > gunagun-er ki shomporko ?
> >
> > American liberalism er institutional example er rup ta dekhate chaichhi.
> > Chobiir gunagun niye to kothai hochhe . Liberalism er sathe Nouvel vague
> > er andoloner parthokko niye kotha hochhe .
> >
>
> eshob chhNedo kotha baad diye chhobir alochona korun na!
Interpretation er pore torko chole na ....
>
> > >
> > > loke tai dekhte jai
> > > > , rabri na pele loke nordomai khabe . ekhane Goddard jonmai na ,
> > >
> > > To ? France-e Hollywood jonmiyechhe ? Godard chhara ki cinema hoina ?
> >
> > Goddard er naam eshechhe nouvel vague er alochonai ekjon probortoker
> > hishebe .
>
> Nouvelle Vague na ene Woody Allen-er chhobi alochona kora jai na ?
Uni je nijeke majhe majhe sei andoloner markin protisthan mone koren....
amar assertion noi ....Unar ...
>
> > Chobii hoi na ki hoi eshob kotha obantor noi ki ???
>
> Apni "obantor" maaneTa Thik janen to ? SposhTo bolun to Woody Allen
> bhalo laagar shonge Godard America-te na jonmanor shomporko ki ?
Woody allen er interview gulo ar alochona gulo ektu dekhun na ....
>
> France e to
> > shobcheye beshi pornographic boi hoi , ta niye to kotha hochhe na .
> >
>
> Bojhen dekhchhi! Taholey aar Godard teney ene dhokaben na alochonai!
Pornography niye alochona hochhilo na , hochhilo Cinema te shomaj o
byakti moner dondo-songhat er je andolon gulo hoichhe tar opor . Nouvel
vague r kotha ami to shuru korini , ami sutra dhorechhi . Proborti cinema
andolone sei naamti khub prasongik ....
>
> Arnab.
Soumitra Bose
Arindam wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose writes:
>
> >> bodhoi 1994 y hoiechilo.
>
>
> Woody Allen chheRey din.
>
> Woody Allen-er badey onyo kono American movie monE porchHe na? Ei jemon "Jingle
> all the way"?
> Ba "Liar liar"? Niden pokhye Rodney Dangerfield-er kichhu ekta? Ba Joe
> Peschi'r?
>
> Just curious :),
> Arindam
MAma, oder birudhhe amar kichu bolar nei , ontoto ei prosongye , karon
onder kono pretension nei , ideology r ohetuk kopchano nei . Poisha korte
eshechhe , poisha korchhe , lokke nachiye KNudiye . bhorong nei . MArx
keo dakeni , Freud ba Jung keo na ....
Soumitra Bose
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
> > Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> > > bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
> >
> > seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
> > ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
>
> hochchhet.
>
> Aarekta front khulun Soumitrababu.
>
> Sambit
Dekte rahho bondhubar....Khanto diyo na ...
Srabani Banerjee
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > > Woody Karl Dadur kothai bolechilen .
> >
> > bolechhilen manet? kothay bolechhilen? cinema-y? interview-te?
>
> Cinema te , ektu dekhun na videor dokan theke niye .
she nahoy dekhbo - cinema-r naam-ta to ekhon-o bole uthte parlen na thik
kore. sheta ektu bolun ebar.
Bullets over Broadway-r onekgulo review poRlam. apni interested thakle
janaben - URL-gulo diye debo.
Tini interview te to
> prai i bole thaken , obosyo prosongyokromei ...
>
> Boroloker barite liing room e boshe baatkormo jara korten , jara konodin
> adda byapartatei sthan korte parlen na , tader kachei puro addatai to
> baje boka ar baje somoi nosto kora . Obhigyotar obhab ke mastani bole
> chalano...
shudhu baaje boka noy - shobhaabgoto incoherence-er dike chole jachchhen
kintu.
> > e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
> > > bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
> >
> > seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
> > ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
>
> Serious kora mane , seriously porashuno kora , seriously debate e
> ongshogrohon kora , seriously discourse e jukto howa ar tar pore rajniti
> ba lorai se to onek porer kotha .
`kichhu'-ta bujhlam, `seriously'-ta bojhan ebar. ota ki, by definition,
apni ja kore thaken tai?
Adda oboshyoi khubii serious byapar
> ..Jnara adda mareni tara adda bolte mayeder hirki dewoa bojhen , karon
> tNAder proyojoniyo anatomy ta nei shobar songye alochona korar ba barir
> "sukhi griyokone shobhe gramaphone" er safety theke beriye ashar .
incoherent rubbish.
> > eta bodhoy tahole `Bullets over Broadway' noy - tar ja storyline tate to
> > maa-baba-meye - eshob-er scope khub ekta achhe bole monet hoyna. tao,
> > interview-ta kothay chhilo monet poRle bolben.
>
> Na eta bortoman situation er opor tNAr BANIR kotha bolechhi .Uni village
> voice e gyanogorbho motobbyo shob korechhen.
o - tai bolun. eta onar cinema shombondhe montobyo noy. cinema niye ja
bolar chhilo bole phelechhen ki? (duto cinema-r bhitti-te apnar pokkheo
er beshi chalano ektu shokto bodhoy)
> > boddo baaje boken, mairi bolchhi.
>
> Ektu adda mara ta na hoi notun kore practice e korun na kyano , deshe
> giye . Pitripurusher safety theke ba poribaarer gheratop theke beriye
> eshe ektu na hoi khola akashta dekhleni ...better late than never ....
exactly, Soumitrababu - better late than never - apni ektu bhodrota
shikhun borong. amar `pitripurush' ebong amar `poribaar' to apnar kono
paka dhaan-e moi dyan ni - tader-ke baad dile ki apnar bolar moto kotha
ekebarei thakbe na kichhu?
Srabani
Sambit Basu
Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Srabani Banerjee wrote:
> > e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
> > > bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
> >
> > seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
> > ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
>
> Serious kora mane , seriously porashuno kora , seriously debate e
> ongshogrohon kora , seriously discourse e jukto howa ar tar pore rajniti
> ba lorai se to onek porer kotha .
Orthat bolte chaichhen Samik Bando.-r cinema-r poDashuno
chhyablamo, cinema-r debate-e ongshogrohon kora dhaashtamo,
discourse-e jukto howa noshtamo!! Aar jNara odhyapok noy
tNader eshob khub serious - jeebon-moron byapar - jamon apnar!
Mairi aarki!
> Adda oboshyoi khubii serious byapar
> ..Jnara adda mareni tara adda bolte mayeder hirki dewoa bojhen , karon
> tNAder proyojoniyo anatomy ta nei shobar songye alochona korar ba barir
> "sukhi griyokone shobhe gramaphone" er safety theke beriye ashar .
Ato bhulbhal boken kano?
Sambit
Siddhartha Duttagupta
>chondrbindu-r cho, beRaler talobyo-sho, rumaler ma...
Srabani-di, apnar to Sukumar Ray agagora mukhosto. Ta uni hajabarala o
pagla dashu-tey ki dhoroner shomaj chetona dekhiyeychen tai niyey
Soumitra babu key ektu gyan din na. Amra hat-tali debo....oboshyo ektu
dairey jetey hobey, India-r ajker khela dekhey khub koshto-kathinyey
bhugchi.
regards, siddhartha
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
..[deleted]..
> >
> > > Ashoni sonket e ek dhoroner cahlcitro powa jai tobe Gramer MAster er
> > > dondo kotota kaj korechhe ma ki kono rokome gondogol ta utre gelei jyano
> > > bNeche jawoa hoi etai dekhano holo . Gramer master tar sundari bou ke
> > > niye gramei roie gelo , kintu Bouer bandhobira ,ar somosto gram jar tar
> > > hat dhore ek mutho bahater ashai ojana sorbonashe jhNap dilo .Sobar
> > > sheshe projapoti kintu thik neche beralo ,bangla abar sonar banglai holo.
> >
> > prajapati-r byapare Satyajit-er mot chhilo ei je oi monwontor-e
> > prokritir kono bhumika chhilona...chhilo manusher. Shei karonei tini
> > bright colour ebong oi dhoroner drishyo byabohaar korechhilen. ETar
> > shonge aykmot hotey hobey erokom kono kotha nei kintu Satyajit ekhaney
> > "assertive" kirokom ta bojha gyalo na.
>
> Prokriti to nije nijeke dekhe na !!!! Titash e Ritwik sundar protkriti ke
> dekhachhen (sesh scene ta te ) kolponai , prokrito obosthai take dhushar
> dekhachhe .
Apni shob bhuley gyachhen ki, naki jeneshunei obantor bokchhen ?
Titash-e nodi shukiye giyechhilo. Maloder daridre ba obosthar
porinotitey prokritir aykTa sposhTo bhumika chhilo. Oshoni Shongket-e
ta chhilo na. Porishkar ?
Moja ta hochhye Prokriti ar tar modhye kar lalito manushgulo
> eke oporer theke bichhinno eta bojhatei hobe , tai manush morche jokhon ,
> durer kahbar tar dike haat bariye ar dhrote parlo na karon tar agei
> jibonishakti hariye gelo , jokhon kina bubhukkhu shishu mriter mukher
> dike takeiye achhe kokhon se morbe ar morar songe songeyi khabar ta
> chiniye nebe tokhon kintu kono machi bhon bhon korche na , kono shakun
> opore chokkor dichhe na , kintu projapoti neche beracchhe , eta te o tini
> shomosto swabolilota bisworjon diye jor kore nijer ideology ba statement
> assert korchen na ? ta jotoi oswabhabik mone hok na keno ....
>
Ki statement ?
> >
> > > Protidondwi te sesh porjonto sei grame giye pakhi kintu thiki daklo ,
> > > sohor theke ragi jubak paliye eshe ekta sukhi chakri ar swastir muffaisl
> > > sohor peye gelo ..Shob jyano "Melaben tini MElaben " gocher , shob jyano
> > > kothao happy ending hoieie jai , shob jyano somadhan hoiei jay.
> >
> > Apni bodhoi mon diye chhobiTa dyakhenni noiley erokom hashyokor kotha
> > bolten na. ARale "raam naam satya hyai" shunechhilen ? Aar dwondo-i
> > jodi bolen tobey "Protidwondi" aykTa interesting udahoron hotey paare.
>
> Hyan otai assertion . Ram naam sat hai er pashapashi bohu diner hariye
> jowa pakhi deke uthlo . purono dukho more jete jetei notun asha jege
> uthlo ,
Pashapashi noi. Amar jodi ThikThak mone porey taholey erokom chhilo
drishyoTa. Pakhir daak shuney Siddhartha baire ashey...tarpor
raam-naam-satya-hyai shona jai. Siddhartha ghurey jai ebong tokhon "iti
siddhartha" phutey oThey pordai (Keu drishyoTa mone kortey paarle,
janaben ?). Aapni jodi etey "ashar" kichhu dyakhen sheTa apnaar buddhir
doshey bodhoi. Er porer duTo chhobi "Seemaboddho" aar "Jana Aranya"r
shesh-o "negative" tone-e. Aapni bodhoi tateo "asha" dekhechhilen, tai
na ?
egulo happy ending epic e ba uponyasher jonne khasha , kintu
> manusher asha-nirasha je ekta baro samajik chitrer ongshobukhto jekhane
> nijer moddyei uttor kHnojar unmottota seta dekha jaini .
Egulo assertion ? Othocho Ritwik-er chhobi dekhey apnar mone hoi
tatey dwondo aachhe ? Titash-er sheshey bhora maThe shishu dourano,
ajantrik-er sheshey shishur bhNepu bajano, Meghe Dhaka Tara-r sheshey
Anil Chatterjee-r hoThat borolok howa, kimba probability-r shob
theory-ke noshyat korey diye Subarnarekhatey por por "accidental"
ghoTona ghoTey jaoatey assertive kichhu lagena ? Bangla chhobitey
"statement" khub kholakhuli je dujon koreychhen tNara holen Ritwik aar
Mrinal. Aar sheTa onubhob kortey apnaar urbor mostishker
"interpretation"-o laagbe na.
>
> > Satyajit nije bolechhilen je Shiddharto-r bhai-er choritro tNake
> > "interested" korey toley ni. Shey dedicated nokshal, aykbogga, tar
> > kono "contradiction" nei. Taar thheke onek interesting Siddhartha-r
> > choritro. Aar kichhu bojhen na bojhen Siddhartha-r dwondoTuku ontoto
> > apnaar onubhob korar kotha.
>
> Dedicated atmotyagi kono contradiction e bhogen na , eshob ekhon Satyajit
> er kach theke shikte hobe ......
Chhagoler kono contradiction aachhe kina sheTa niye bhabar ki khub
proyojon aachhe ?
Tini mohan kono sondeho nei , kintu
> atmotyager bindumatro tini konodin dekhieyechen kina janina ,
Ki bojhatey chaichhen ? Satyajit kono atmotyag korenni naki tini tNar
chhobitey kono atmotyag dyakhanni ?
tobe tini
> jene gechhen je dedicated nakshal je morte cholechhe she ekebare ekboggya
> , kono contradiction nei , nijer modhye lorai nei ....ba ba ....Erokom
> kauke ekbar jiggyesh korei dekhun na ....Somaj theke beriye eshe othochho
> physcically sei shomajer modhye thaka ta jodi contradiction na hoi ,
> tahole ar ki .
"Commitment" shobdo-Ta bhalo laage apnaar ? CheshTa korun,
"assertive"tao bhalo laagbe.
Camus'r rebel ba outsider Satyajit panchsho bar porechhen
> , eta dhorei newo jai . byaktigoto obhigyota na thakleo secondary
> obhigyota diye to manush onek kichu jane ba bojhe , jodi obosyo se jante
> chai. Uni age thekei sidhhanto niye phellen ...
>
Abar na bujhey bokchhen. Siddharthar bhai aykTa ideoalogy-r proti
committed...tai Satyajit-ke subject hishebe shey nara dyai na.
Siddharthar moddhe contradiction aachhe tai shilpir bishoy hishebe shey
onek akorshoniyo. Apnaar bhalo laagbe na eshob shuntey sheTa ami
khanikTa andaaj kortey paarchhi...
>
> > Amar mot-e Ritwik-er chhobir khub "weak" point-gulor moddhe aykTa
> > holo ei dhoroner bosta-pocha melodrama. Gune dekhben - Subarnarekha-i
> > besh kichhu aachhe. Tollywood-er chhobi holey apnii galagali diten,
> > kono shondeho nei.
>
> Meldrama apnar bhalo na lagte pare , se niye to kotha hochhe na .
SheTa jani. Tobey apni chhNedo melodrama-ke Ritwik-e udhrito korey
"contradiction" hishebe chalatey cheshTa korchhilen kina, tai bollam.
Ami to
> bolchina je Ritwik Satyajiter chaite onek Unchu MAner porichalok ...kotha
> hochhye PArthodar shuru kora inner contradiction er prokash niye ....oi
> porjontoi ...
>
Ritwik-er moddhe contradiction chhilo eTa to oshwikar korchhina
(actually Ritwik-ke "confused" bolle shotti bola hoi). Kintu tNar
cinemai contradiction kothai sheTai porishkar bhabey jantey chaichhi.
Aykhono bolenni. UlTey Satyajit assertive proman kortey giye
chchhorachchhen.
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
..[deleted]..
> > > > > Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> > > > > kaman ,
> > > >
> > > > Aar onyera "social content" eneo poisha kamatey paaren na - eTai ki
> > > > apnaar raager karon ?
> > >
> > > Seta ki bola achhe ???
> >
> > tai ? taholey hoThat chhobir bishoye alochonai director poisha
> > koren kina ei niye porlen kyano ? Apnii kotha tulechhen, ami noi.
>
> Poisha kora ta bola hoechhe ei jonne je poisha korar jonne ideology r
> dohai na diye ar paNchjon je rokom bhabe NAkab na rekhei korchhen seta
> onek sat prochesta . Woody Allen er mukhe mukhe proletariat consciousness
> ar bourgeois consciousness ke galagal dewoa ar nijer dirty laundry
> dekhiye box office hit korar prochesta chilo alochyyo bishoibostu.
>
eTar shongei ba poisha korar ki shomporko ? Poisha korey tNar chhobi,
lokey dyakhey boley. Tatey Woody Allen ki bishwash koren na koren tatey
ki eshey jai ?
BTW, baaje aNtlamo korey porer dikey Godard-o besh poisha tulechhilen. E
byaparey projojok-der khub kachher lok chhilen tini - janen to ?
..[deleted]..
> > > >
> > > > To ? France-e Hollywood jonmiyechhe ? Godard chhara ki cinema hoina ?
> > >
> > > Goddard er naam eshechhe nouvel vague er alochonai ekjon probortoker
> > > hishebe .
> >
> > Nouvelle Vague na ene Woody Allen-er chhobi alochona kora jai na ?
>
> Uni je nijeke majhe majhe sei andoloner markin protisthan mone koren....
> amar assertion noi ....Unar ...
>
Apni bolechhilen: Godard America-te jonmanni boley lokey Woody Allen
dyakhey. Erokom chhelemanushi jukti-ke New Wave ene dNar korano jai ki ?
BTW, opore je thothwo-Ti diyechhen (New Wave o Woody Allen bishoye) taar
aykTa shutro batlatey paaren ?
> >
> > > Chobii hoi na ki hoi eshob kotha obantor noi ki ???
> >
> > Apni "obantor" maaneTa Thik janen to ? SposhTo bolun to Woody Allen
> > bhalo laagar shonge Godard America-te na jonmanor shomporko ki ?
>
> Woody allen er interview gulo ar alochona gulo ektu dekhun na ....
> >
> > France e to
> > > shobcheye beshi pornographic boi hoi , ta niye to kotha hochhe na .
> > >
> >
> > Bojhen dekhchhi! Taholey aar Godard teney ene dhokaben na alochonai!
>
> Pornography niye alochona hochhilo na ,
Apni nijey du line agey bollne, tarporeo...
hochhilo Cinema te shomaj o
> byakti moner dondo-songhat er je andolon gulo hoichhe tar opor .
eTa Woody Allen-er opor hochchhe...jodi bhuley giye thhaken.
..[deleted]..
Arnab.
Srabani Banerjee
Siddhartha Duttagupta wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:10:01 -0500, Srabani Banerjee
> <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
> >chondrbindu-r cho, beRaler talobyo-sho, rumaler ma...
>
> Srabani-di, apnar to Sukumar Ray agagora mukhosto.
naki?
Ta uni hajabarala o
> pagla dashu-tey ki dhoroner shomaj chetona dekhiyeychen tai niyey
> Soumitra babu key ektu gyan din na.
eta amake bollen??? ami kina ek Woody Allen-er shomajchetona bujhte giye
golodghormo hoye gelam... Sukumar Ray-ke quote korar por thekei bhoy-e
bhoy-e chhilam kokhon tNar proletariat consciousness niye bani shunte
hobe. elo na bhebe jei nishchinto holam omni shNako naRa dite shuru
korlen?
> Amra hat-tali debo....
deben? bhebe dekhle parten ektu. after all, kolkatay adda marini - meye
dekhe `hirki' dichchhen bhebe ni jodi?
oboshyo ektu
> dairey jetey hobey, India-r ajker khela dekhey khub koshto-kathinyey
> bhugchi.
no comments - withdraw korechhi. (shonenni, Sambit je bollo adure, nyaka
(aro kishob jano) bongo-shontaan-der oshob hoy na? )
Srabanidi
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> > > > > > Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> > > > > > kaman ,
> > > > >
> > > > > Aar onyera "social content" eneo poisha kamatey paaren na - eTai ki
> > > > > apnaar raager karon ?
> > > >
> > > > Seta ki bola achhe ???
> > >
> > > tai ? taholey hoThat chhobir bishoye alochonai director poisha
> > > koren kina ei niye porlen kyano ? Apnii kotha tulechhen, ami noi.
> >
> > Poisha kora ta bola hoechhe ei jonne je poisha korar jonne ideology r
> > dohai na diye ar paNchjon je rokom bhabe NAkab na rekhei korchhen seta
> > onek sat prochesta . Woody Allen er mukhe mukhe proletariat consciousness
> > ar bourgeois consciousness ke galagal dewoa ar nijer dirty laundry
> > dekhiye box office hit korar prochesta chilo alochyyo bishoibostu.
> >
>
> eTar shongei ba poisha korar ki shomporko ? Poisha korey tNar chhobi,
> lokey dyakhey boley. Tatey Woody Allen ki bishwash koren na koren tatey
> ki eshey jai ?
Hyan shudhu majhe majhe proletariat consciousness er masala ektu makhyie
diley tolar opor er du diker tai kurono jabe .
>
> BTW, baaje aNtlamo korey porer dikey Godard-o besh poisha tulechhilen. E
> byaparey projojok-der khub kachher lok chhilen tini - janen to ?
>
> ..[deleted]..
Hyan tai take ekta producing company khulte hoichhilo ar sesh jibon ta
pray bhikhe korte hoiechilo kina !!!!
>
> > > > >
> > > > > To ? France-e Hollywood jonmiyechhe ? Godard chhara ki cinema hoina ?
> > > >
> > > > Goddard er naam eshechhe nouvel vague er alochonai ekjon probortoker
> > > > hishebe .
> > >
> > > Nouvelle Vague na ene Woody Allen-er chhobi alochona kora jai na ?
> >
> > Uni je nijeke majhe majhe sei andoloner markin protisthan mone koren....
> > amar assertion noi ....Unar ...
> >
>
> Apni bolechhilen: Godard America-te jonmanni boley lokey Woody Allen
> dyakhey. Erokom chhelemanushi jukti-ke New Wave ene dNar korano jai ki ?
Bhalo jinish ekhane toiri hoi na bole loke nordoma beche nei ...
> BTW, opore je thothwo-Ti diyechhen (New Wave o Woody Allen bishoye) taar
> aykTa shutro batlatey paaren ?
>
> > >
> > > > Chobii hoi na ki hoi eshob kotha obantor noi ki ???
> > >
> > > Apni "obantor" maaneTa Thik janen to ? SposhTo bolun to Woody Allen
> > > bhalo laagar shonge Godard America-te na jonmanor shomporko ki ?
Goddard er standard er chobii ba nouvel vague er standard er chobbi
america te utponno hole jNara ekhon Woody Allen dekhe ullosito hon tNara
hoten na .
> >
> > Woody allen er interview gulo ar alochona gulo ektu dekhun na ....
> > >
> > > France e to
> > > > shobcheye beshi pornographic boi hoi , ta niye to kotha hochhe na .
> > > >
> > >
> > > Bojhen dekhchhi! Taholey aar Godard teney ene dhokaben na alochonai!
> >
> > Pornography niye alochona hochhilo na ,
>
> Apni nijey du line agey bollne, tarporeo...
Bollam ei karone je France e bohut rokomer jinish hoi tobe nouvel vague o
hoi ebong erokom cinema andolon intellectual jogote aloron o phele .Amra
focussed alochona korchilam .
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> > Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> > >
> > > > Ashoni sonket e ek dhoroner cahlcitro powa jai tobe Gramer MAster er
> > > > dondo kotota kaj korechhe ma ki kono rokome gondogol ta utre gelei jyano
> > > > bNeche jawoa hoi etai dekhano holo . Gramer master tar sundari bou ke
> > > > niye gramei roie gelo , kintu Bouer bandhobira ,ar somosto gram jar tar
> > > > hat dhore ek mutho bahater ashai ojana sorbonashe jhNap dilo .Sobar
> > > > sheshe projapoti kintu thik neche beralo ,bangla abar sonar banglai holo.
> > >
> > > prajapati-r byapare Satyajit-er mot chhilo ei je oi monwontor-e
> > > prokritir kono bhumika chhilona...chhilo manusher. Shei karonei tini
> > > bright colour ebong oi dhoroner drishyo byabohaar korechhilen. ETar
> > > shonge aykmot hotey hobey erokom kono kotha nei kintu Satyajit ekhaney
> > > "assertive" kirokom ta bojha gyalo na.
> >
> > Prokriti to nije nijeke dekhe na !!!! Titash e Ritwik sundar protkriti ke
> > dekhachhen (sesh scene ta te ) kolponai , prokrito obosthai take dhushar
> > dekhachhe .
>
> Apni shob bhuley gyachhen ki, naki jeneshunei obantor bokchhen ?
Seshe scene ta chilo nayika more jete jete swapno dekche bhora dhan khete
r modhye chotto ulongo shishu khelche ..... ami tar kothai bolchilam .
>
> Titash-e nodi shukiye giyechhilo. Maloder daridre ba obosthar
> porinotitey prokritir aykTa sposhTo bhumika chhilo. Oshoni Shongket-e
> ta chhilo na. Porishkar ?
Eta to ami oswikar korini je Satyajit babu faminer man-made aspect ta ke
jor dite cheyechilen , kintu oi pattern ta ektu jor kore tanatani bole
amar kache mone hoechhe ebong assertive commentearing bole mone hoechhe.
>
> Moja ta hochhye Prokriti ar tar modhye kar lalito manushgulo
> > eke oporer theke bichhinno eta bojhatei hobe , tai manush morche jokhon ,
> > durer kahbar tar dike haat bariye ar dhrote parlo na karon tar agei
> > jibonishakti hariye gelo , jokhon kina bubhukkhu shishu mriter mukher
> > dike takeiye achhe kokhon se morbe ar morar songe songeyi khabar ta
> > chiniye nebe tokhon kintu kono machi bhon bhon korche na , kono shakun
> > opore chokkor dichhe na , kintu projapoti neche beracchhe , eta te o tini
> > shomosto swabolilota bisworjon diye jor kore nijer ideology ba statement
> > assert korchen na ? ta jotoi oswabhabik mone hok na keno ....
> >
>
> Ki statement ?
Je sundar o annapurna prtithibite manush ekta famine korte pare tobe
prokritir opor tar konoi probhab pore na . MAnush o prokritir modhye
erokom uncorrelated inter-relationship ekta mental construct er
assertion.
>
> > >
> > > > Protidondwi te sesh porjonto sei grame giye pakhi kintu thiki daklo ,
> > > > sohor theke ragi jubak paliye eshe ekta sukhi chakri ar swastir muffaisl
> > > > sohor peye gelo ..Shob jyano "Melaben tini MElaben " gocher , shob jyano
> > > > kothao happy ending hoieie jai , shob jyano somadhan hoiei jay.
> > >
> > > Apni bodhoi mon diye chhobiTa dyakhenni noiley erokom hashyokor kotha
> > > bolten na. ARale "raam naam satya hyai" shunechhilen ? Aar dwondo-i
> > > jodi bolen tobey "Protidwondi" aykTa interesting udahoron hotey paare.
> >
> > Hyan otai assertion . Ram naam sat hai er pashapashi bohu diner hariye
> > jowa pakhi deke uthlo . purono dukho more jete jetei notun asha jege
> > uthlo ,
>
> Pashapashi noi. Amar jodi ThikThak mone porey taholey erokom chhilo
> drishyoTa. Pakhir daak shuney Siddhartha baire ashey...tarpor
> raam-naam-satya-hyai shona jai. Siddhartha ghurey jai ebong tokhon "iti
> siddhartha" phutey oThey pordai (Keu drishyoTa mone kortey paarle,
> janaben ?). Aapni jodi etey "ashar" kichhu dyakhen sheTa apnaar buddhir
> doshey bodhoi. Er porer duTo chhobi "Seemaboddho" aar "Jana Aranya"r
> shesh-o "negative" tone-e. Aapni bodhoi tateo "asha" dekhechhilen, tai
> na ?
Hyan buddhir doshe i je amra ek safe chakuriroto jubaker immediate
itihaas bhule jowar scope dekhte pelam kina . To interpretation to shob
shomoiei nijosho, jotokhon lekhok ba shilpi probondho likhe shob
porishkar na kore dyan totokhon onno shobar dharonatai to tader budhir
dosh thekei ashe ....Ar pakhi daka ar Ram nam sat hai er modhye fraction
of a second er parthikyo chilo kina sei aspect ta bhebe dekhte hobe eta
bujhte parini , erpor cinema te dhukle stop-watch niye boshbo.
>
> egulo happy ending epic e ba uponyasher jonne khasha , kintu
> > manusher asha-nirasha je ekta baro samajik chitrer ongshobukhto jekhane
> > nijer moddyei uttor kHnojar unmottota seta dekha jaini .
>
> Egulo assertion ? Othocho Ritwik-er chhobi dekhey apnar mone hoi
> tatey dwondo aachhe ? Titash-er sheshey bhora maThe shishu dourano,
> ajantrik-er sheshey shishur bhNepu bajano, Meghe Dhaka Tara-r sheshey
> Anil Chatterjee-r hoThat borolok howa, kimba probability-r shob
> theory-ke noshyat korey diye Subarnarekhatey por por "accidental"
> ghoTona ghoTey jaoatey assertive kichhu lagena ? Bangla chhobitey
> "statement" khub kholakhuli je dujon koreychhen tNara holen Ritwik aar
> Mrinal. Aar sheTa onubhob kortey apnaar urbor mostishker
> "interpretation"-o laagbe na.
Protyakti shishu r scene er songye songye roieche koral bortoman , jemon
Jukti tokke sontaner mathai angul chalano hochye bonduker dogar thik
samne , serokom titasher shishur ullomphoner sathe satheyi protagonist
nayika mrityur kole hariye jachhe , eguloi dondo-sonkot er prokash .
Subarnorekha assertive , et thik , tar uttor o Ritwik diyechhen "Somosto
udbastu nari amader karo na karo bon" . eta assertive statement oboshyoi.
Mrinal Sen er ideological assertion ar Ritwiker inner contradiction
essentially alada.
>
> >
> > > Satyajit nije bolechhilen je Shiddharto-r bhai-er choritro tNake
> > > "interested" korey toley ni. Shey dedicated nokshal, aykbogga, tar
> > > kono "contradiction" nei. Taar thheke onek interesting Siddhartha-r
> > > choritro. Aar kichhu bojhen na bojhen Siddhartha-r dwondoTuku ontoto
> > > apnaar onubhob korar kotha.
> >
> > Dedicated atmotyagi kono contradiction e bhogen na , eshob ekhon Satyajit
> > er kach theke shikte hobe ......
>
> Chhagoler kono contradiction aachhe kina sheTa niye bhabar ki khub
> proyojon aachhe ?
Ekhon jar dedicated , atmotyagi tara je chagolsomo seta apnar kach theke
shikchhi . JAra baper ENyar dhore boro hoi ar mayer ebong pore strir
anchol dhore jibonjapon kore tara buddhidiggoch etao janlam .Eta to
khubii swabhabik je BAaper ondokosh obolombone sukhi jibon bechhe newoar
budhhi dedicated chagol der nei .
>
> Tini mohan kono sondeho nei , kintu
> > atmotyager bindumatro tini konodin dekhieyechen kina janina ,
>
> Ki bojhatey chaichhen ? Satyajit kono atmotyag korenni naki tini tNar
> chhobitey kono atmotyag dyakhanni ?
Dutoi .Oboshyo atmotyagider bhetorer mono tini jene gechhen.
>
> tobe tini
> > jene gechhen je dedicated nakshal je morte cholechhe she ekebare ekboggya
> > , kono contradiction nei , nijer modhye lorai nei ....ba ba ....Erokom
> > kauke ekbar jiggyesh korei dekhun na ....Somaj theke beriye eshe othochho
> > physcically sei shomajer modhye thaka ta jodi contradiction na hoi ,
> > tahole ar ki .
>
> "Commitment" shobdo-Ta bhalo laage apnaar ? CheshTa korun,
> "assertive"tao bhalo laagbe.
> Commitment thakle inner contradiction thake na bujhi?? Antonym e
commitment er biporite to inner conflict khNuje pai ni....
> Camus'r rebel ba outsider Satyajit panchsho bar porechhen
> > , eta dhorei newo jai . byaktigoto obhigyota na thakleo secondary
> > obhigyota diye to manush onek kichu jane ba bojhe , jodi obosyo se jante
> > chai. Uni age thekei sidhhanto niye phellen ...
> >
>
> Abar na bujhey bokchhen. Siddharthar bhai aykTa ideoalogy-r proti
> committed...tai Satyajit-ke subject hishebe shey nara dyai na.Oi jonnoi Camus r kotha bolechilam jake Camus proshno koren "Etes vous
pouvoir de mourir pour une ideé" se je protimuhurte kotorokomer
conflicter modhye diye andolito hochhye seta uni dekhiyechilen .Andre
Gide e byapare to treatise likhechilen mone hoi .Satyjit ra dhorei nilen
commited lok kono contradiction er modhye diye boro hoi na , ba nijeder
bikoshito kore tole na . Ei hochhye simpleton assertion.
> Siddharthar moddhe contradiction aachhe tai shilpir bishoy hishebe shey
> onek akorshoniyo. Apnaar bhalo laagbe na eshob shuntey sheTa ami
> khanikTa andaaj kortey paarchhi...
>
> >
> > > Amar mot-e Ritwik-er chhobir khub "weak" point-gulor moddhe aykTa
> > > holo ei dhoroner bosta-pocha melodrama. Gune dekhben - Subarnarekha-i
> > > besh kichhu aachhe. Tollywood-er chhobi holey apnii galagali diten,
> > > kono shondeho nei.
> >
> > Meldrama apnar bhalo na lagte pare , se niye to kotha hochhe na .
>
> SheTa jani. Tobey apni chhNedo melodrama-ke Ritwik-e udhrito korey
> "contradiction" hishebe chalatey cheshTa korchhilen kina, tai bollam.
Contradiction niye kotha hochhye , seta melodrama hoteo pare , nao pare ,
tobe melodrama labelling ekta interpretation to botei.
>
> Ami to
> > bolchina je Ritwik Satyajiter chaite onek Unchu MAner porichalok ...kotha
> > hochhye PArthodar shuru kora inner contradiction er prokash niye ....oi
> > porjontoi ...
> >
>
> Ritwik-er moddhe contradiction chhilo eTa to oshwikar korchhina
> (actually Ritwik-ke "confused" bolle shotti bola hoi).
Kono manush jodi prokrito orthe confused na hoi ta hole to tar monuswatto
bikashe gondogol achhe , karon tahole pre-destined ebong pre-programmed
robot hoie jai se.
Kintu tNar
> cinemai contradiction kothai sheTai porishkar bhabey jantey chaichhi.
> Aykhono bolenni. UlTey Satyajit assertive proman kortey giye
> chchhorachchhen.
Ei ke etogulo example dilam ektu age .
>
> Arnab.
Soumitra Bose
homonymer chomok dewoata chapolota .Tini borong duto porospor mot ba
chintar tulona korte parten , ota onek serious hoto karon lokjon kichuta
shikte parto tNAr ogadh gyanobhandar theke.
Soumitra Bose
Ei ongshota Srabani Devi r lekhar protyuttore .....
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> > > > Woody Karl Dadur kothai bolechilen .
> > >
> > > bolechhilen manet? kothay bolechhilen? cinema-y? interview-te?
> >
> > Cinema te , ektu dekhun na videor dokan theke niye .
>
> she nahoy dekhbo - cinema-r naam-ta to ekhon-o bole uthte parlen na thik
> kore. sheta ektu bolun ebar.
> Bullets over Broadway-r onekgulo review poRlam. apni interested thakle
> janaben - URL-gulo diye debo.
Apnii to bollen , cinema ta dekhun na , ami to dekhechilam , review porar
proyojon to tai kome jai .
>
> Tini interview te to
> > prai i bole thaken , obosyo prosongyokromei ...
> >
>
> > Boroloker barite liing room e boshe baatkormo jara korten , jara konodin
> > adda byapartatei sthan korte parlen na , tader kachei puro addatai to
> > baje boka ar baje somoi nosto kora . Obhigyotar obhab ke mastani bole
> > chalano...
>
> shudhu baaje boka noy - shobhaabgoto incoherence-er dike chole jachchhen
Dhonyobaad, thik ei dhoroner kotha bolei add ke nasika kunchon kore
onekei kolkatai living roome er uttap niten .
> kintu.
>
> > > e gulo ingriji r odhyapok mohole jara kichu seriously kortei
> > > > bhoi paan tnara chorbito chorbon kore thaken .
> > >
> > > seriously kichhu kora manet ki? onyer dakkhinye dukhana cinema dekhe
> > > ekjon director-er cinema-ke `art noy, atmoroti' bole uRiye deoa?
> >
> > Serious kora mane , seriously porashuno kora , seriously debate e
> > ongshogrohon kora , seriously discourse e jukto howa ar tar pore rajniti
> > ba lorai se to onek porer kotha .
>
> `kichhu'-ta bujhlam, `seriously'-ta bojhan ebar. ota ki, by definition,
> apni ja kore thaken tai?
>
Kono byapare torko korte gele se gulo niye porashuno kora ebong ta niye
"instant wisdom" er bodole tothyobohul alochona kora ta seriousness , jat
e nije ebong onnanno interlocutor ra onek kichu jante paren . Eta to add
e na jog dile bojhano mushkil ...
>
> Adda oboshyoi khubii serious byapar
> > ..Jnara adda mareni tara adda bolte mayeder hirki dewoa bojhen , karon
> > tNAder proyojoniyo anatomy ta nei shobar songye alochona korar ba barir
> > "sukhi griyokone shobhe gramaphone" er safety theke beriye ashar .
>
> incoherent rubbish.
Swabhabik , sudur uNchu minare boshe thakle nicher poth ta "incoherent
rubbish" i mone hoi . Jeta dekhchi na ta hochhye je jinish ta niye kono
experience nei setar sommondhye experience korar kono resolution ba
prochesta .Shudhu boroloker byata/biti r moto fatwa jari kore dewoa .
>
> > > eta bodhoy tahole `Bullets over Broadway' noy - tar ja storyline tate to
> > > maa-baba-meye - eshob-er scope khub ekta achhe bole monet hoyna. tao,
> > > interview-ta kothay chhilo monet poRle bolben.
> >
> > Na eta bortoman situation er opor tNAr BANIR kotha bolechhi .Uni village
> > voice e gyanogorbho motobbyo shob korechhen.
>
> o - tai bolun. eta onar cinema shombondhe montobyo noy. cinema niye ja
> bolar chhilo bole phelechhen ki? (duto cinema-r bhitti-te apnar pokkheo
> er beshi chalano ektu shokto bodhoy)
> "Bola to Woody ALlen ne , maine to sirf Dauraiya " Mirza Ghalib mone
achhe ????
> > > boddo baaje boken, mairi bolchhi.
> >
> > Ektu adda mara ta na hoi notun kore practice e korun na kyano , deshe
> > giye . Pitripurusher safety theke ba poribaarer gheratop theke beriye
> > eshe ektu na hoi khola akashta dekhleni ...better late than never ....
>
> exactly, Soumitrababu - better late than never - apni ektu bhodrota
> shikhun borong. amar `pitripurush' ebong amar `poribaar' to apnar kono
> paka dhaan-e moi dyan ni - tader-ke baad dile ki apnar bolar moto kotha
> ekebarei thakbe na kichhu?
Er theke etoboro bokamo ar ki hote paare .Adda r 101 law i hochhye je je
kono samajik alochonake noibyaktik store rakha . Byaktibisheshhe r songye
setake juthe dewoa (sottyi bolte ki ) kono ojo-jo kore na . Dekhlen na
Partha Chatterji ekti golpo bole phelechilo (tao o nijeke niye noi) ,
songye songye i noibyaktik na howar jonne kshoma cheye nilo .
Alochonate boshe jodi noibyaktik i na hote parlen , nijeke jodi je kono
ekta stream er personified image er sathe melate na parlen ta hole seta
ki byaktigoto chorbito chorbon hoi na .
Ami kothai nirdishto bhabe apnaar byaktisottake tule enechhi , amar ki i
ba eshe jai apni byaktigoto bhabe ke na ke , keu keta holei ba ki ...Ta i
to bolechilam ektu pothe neme adda ta porokh kore dekhun na jekhane apnar
byakti porichoi ba bongsho porichoy keu jane na ba keu patta dei na .
Tai jonnei Adda kokhono karo barite hoi na ba jome na , hote hoi rastai
jekhane opore shudhu khola akash .
Ami khubii disgusted je emon akjone er sathe alochone e phNeshe gelam je
du to chithi chapati r porei byakti sotta ke tene enechhen . Ete ami
kshoma chaibo na ba lojjito hobo na , nijeke dhikkar dii je erokom
public er sathe deal korte hochhye , Bhagyissh kolkatar addate ei
disgusting obhyigyota hoi ni , ontoto amar jiboner oi ongshota te kono
kalima chilo na . Lokjon ugroatmosocheton chilo na , chilo somaj o
manushwo o manobotar socheton ....
Kiser modhye ki Pante bhate ebar to Gochona ......Kotha hochye
somajrajnoitik cinema niye , ekjon nijer class position bhule giye
personal position e bheshe gelen ....ETa bujhte etotai kosto hochhye je
ami ar apni sei ekii class ba store r modye pori jader heriditorily
sekhano hoi je adda mara ta nongra kaaj ar barite boshe chorbito chorbon
kora ta bhadroloker kaaj ???? Ami swapneo bhabi ni keu ei imagery take
byaktigoto bhabe dekhte paare !!!! Jesus Christ ,,,HA krishna Rokshe koro
!!! etai bodhoi norok jontrona je dekhte hochhye kolkatar bangaleeder
modhye emon element o exist kore ,,,era kon groher lok ??????
>
> Srabani
Srabani Banerjee
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> Ei ongshota Srabani Devi r lekhar protyuttore .....
[...]
> > `kichhu'-ta bujhlam, `seriously'-ta bojhan ebar. ota ki, by definition,
> > apni ja kore thaken tai?
> >
>
> Kono byapare torko korte gele se gulo niye porashuno kora ebong ta niye
> "instant wisdom" er bodole tothyobohul alochona kora ta seriousness ,
tothyobohul? ekta cinema-r naam e kodin-e thik kore bolte parlen na -
apni ar tothyer kotha nai ba tullen...
> > incoherent rubbish.
>
> Swabhabik , sudur uNchu minare boshe thakle nicher poth ta "incoherent
> rubbish" i mone hoi . Jeta dekhchi na ta hochhye je jinish ta niye kono
> experience nei setar sommondhye experience korar kono resolution ba
> prochesta .
ei aager sentence-ta coherent na incoherent ta niye ekta bhot hoye jaak?
> > o - tai bolun. eta onar cinema shombondhe montobyo noy. cinema niye ja
> > bolar chhilo bole phelechhen ki? (duto cinema-r bhitti-te apnar pokkheo
> > er beshi chalano ektu shokto bodhoy)
> > "Bola to Woody ALlen ne , maine to sirf Dauraiya " Mirza Ghalib mone
> achhe ????
!!!!
> > exactly, Soumitrababu - better late than never - apni ektu bhodrota
> > shikhun borong. amar `pitripurush' ebong amar `poribaar' to apnar kono
> > paka dhaan-e moi dyan ni - tader-ke baad dile ki apnar bolar moto kotha
> > ekebarei thakbe na kichhu?
>
> Er theke etoboro bokamo ar ki hote paare .Adda r 101 law i hochhye je je
> kono samajik alochonake noibyaktik store rakha . Byaktibisheshhe r songye
> setake juthe dewoa (sottyi bolte ki ) kono ojo-jo kore na .
tahole apni korlen kano Soumitrababu? apnar theke adda-r niyom kanun
shikhbo bole ha pityesh kore boshe chhilam je.
Dekhlen na
> Partha Chatterji ekti golpo bole phelechilo (tao o nijeke niye noi) ,
> songye songye i noibyaktik na howar jonne kshoma cheye nilo .
> Alochonate boshe jodi noibyaktik i na hote parlen , nijeke jodi je kono
> ekta stream er personified image er sathe melate na parlen ta hole seta
> ki byaktigoto chorbito chorbon hoi na .
egulo ki shogotokti??
> Ami kothai nirdishto bhabe apnaar byaktisottake tule enechhi , amar ki i
> ba eshe jai apni byaktigoto bhabe ke na ke , keu keta holei ba ki
kichhu-i na. kintu ei je likhechhilen, `Pitripurusher safety theke ba
poribaarer gheratop theke beriye eshe ektu na hoi khola akashta
dekhleni' - eta ki amake na bole o paRar ponchu-ke bolechhilen? ar koto
hNashaben mairi?
...Ta i
> to bolechilam ektu pothe neme adda ta porokh kore dekhun na jekhane apnar
> byakti porichoi ba bongsho porichoy keu jane na ba keu patta dei na .
ekhane bujhi shobai jane ebong patta dyay?
shedin theke rasta, rasta ki kore jachchhen mairi? net-e boshe raja ujir
maren ar kothay kothay rasta dekhan kano?
> Tai jonnei Adda kokhono karo barite hoi na ba jome na , hote hoi rastai
> jekhane opore shudhu khola akash .
e to poetry!!
> Ami khubii disgusted je emon akjone er sathe alochone e phNeshe gelam je
> du to chithi chapati r porei byakti sotta ke tene enechhen .
jah! shob guliye gyalo apnar!
Ete ami
> kshoma chaibo na ba lojjito hobo na , nijeke dhikkar dii je erokom
> public er sathe deal korte hochhye , Bhagyissh kolkatar addate ei
> disgusting obhyigyota hoi ni , ontoto amar jiboner oi ongshota te kono
> kalima chilo na .
ish! tao shei kolkatar rastar adda chheRe SCB-te poRe thakte hochchhe.
ki hobe bolun to?
Lokjon ugroatmosocheton chilo na , chilo somaj o
> manushwo o manobotar socheton ....
kolkatar rastar moRer adda ar proletariat consciousness ke ek kore dilen
je! Woody Allen-er ar dosh ki tahole?
> Kiser modhye ki Pante bhate ebar to Gochona ......Kotha hochye
> somajrajnoitik cinema niye , ekjon nijer class position bhule giye
> personal position e bheshe gelen ....ETa bujhte etotai kosto hochhye je
> ami ar apni sei ekii class ba store r modye pori jader heriditorily
> sekhano hoi je adda mara ta nongra kaaj ar barite boshe chorbito chorbon
> kora ta bhadroloker kaaj ???? Ami swapneo bhabi ni keu ei imagery take
> byaktigoto bhabe dekhte paare !!!! Jesus Christ ,,,HA krishna Rokshe koro
> !!! etai bodhoi norok jontrona je dekhte hochhye kolkatar bangaleeder
> modhye emon element o exist kore ,,,era kon groher lok ??????
This isn't incoherence - this is sheer lunacy! apni chaliye jan
Soumitrababu, amay khyama din ebar.
Srabani
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
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> > > Prokriti to nije nijeke dekhe na !!!! Titash e Ritwik sundar protkriti ke
> > > dekhachhen (sesh scene ta te ) kolponai , prokrito obosthai take dhushar
> > > dekhachhe .
> >
> > Apni shob bhuley gyachhen ki, naki jeneshunei obantor bokchhen ?
>
> Seshe scene ta chilo nayika more jete jete swapno dekche bhora dhan khete
> r modhye chotto ulongo shishu khelche ..... ami tar kothai bolchilam .
>
Kyano bolchhilen ? Ashani Shongket-er shonge tulona Tenei to ? SheTa
tNekena, karon prokritir obostha duTo khetrey ayk noi. Shutorang apnaar
oi tulona obantor.
> >
> > Titash-e nodi shukiye giyechhilo. Maloder daridre ba obosthar
> > porinotitey prokritir aykTa sposhTo bhumika chhilo. Oshoni Shongket-e
> > ta chhilo na. Porishkar ?
>
> Eta to ami oswikar korini je Satyajit babu faminer man-made aspect ta ke
> jor dite cheyechilen , kintu oi pattern ta ektu jor kore tanatani bole
> amar kache mone hoechhe ebong assertive commentearing bole mone hoechhe.
>
Kotha ghoraben na. Style niye kotha hochchhena ekhaney. Satyajit ki
assert korechhilen, sheTa jiggesh korechhi.
> >
> > Moja ta hochhye Prokriti ar tar modhye kar lalito manushgulo
> > > eke oporer theke bichhinno eta bojhatei hobe , tai manush morche jokhon ,
> > > durer kahbar tar dike haat bariye ar dhrote parlo na karon tar agei
> > > jibonishakti hariye gelo , jokhon kina bubhukkhu shishu mriter mukher
> > > dike takeiye achhe kokhon se morbe ar morar songe songeyi khabar ta
> > > chiniye nebe tokhon kintu kono machi bhon bhon korche na , kono shakun
> > > opore chokkor dichhe na , kintu projapoti neche beracchhe , eta te o tini
> > > shomosto swabolilota bisworjon diye jor kore nijer ideology ba statement
> > > assert korchen na ? ta jotoi oswabhabik mone hok na keno ....
> > >
> >
> > Ki statement ?
>
> Je sundar o annapurna prtithibite manush ekta famine korte pare tobe
> prokritir opor tar konoi probhab pore na .
Ba manusheri je srishTi oi durbhikhho sheTa aaro bhalo korey bojhanor
cheshTar jonye oi drishyo dyakhano. Anyway, eTa amar interpretation
noi..Satyajit-er comment thheke dhar kora interpretation.
To interpretation to shob
> shomoiei nijosho, jotokhon lekhok ba shilpi probondho likhe shob
> porishkar na kore dyan totokhon onno shobar dharonatai to tader budhir
> dosh thekei ashe ....
Good. Taholey Satyajit-er nije ja bolechhen Ashani Shongket-er projapoti
drishyer byapare tatey "assertive" ki sheTa bolun.
>>Pashapashi noi. Amar jodi ThikThak mone porey taholey erokom chhilo
>> drishyoTa. Pakhir daak shuney Siddhartha baire ashey...tarpor
>> raam-naam-satya-hyai shona jai. Siddhartha ghurey jai ebong tokhon "iti
>> siddhartha" phutey oThey pordai (Keu drishyoTa mone kortey paarle,
>> janaben ?). Aapni jodi etey "ashar" kichhu dyakhen sheTa apnaar buddhir
>> doshey bodhoi. Er porer duTo chhobi "Seemaboddho" aar "Jana Aranya"r
>> shesh-o "negative" tone-e. Aapni bodhoi tateo "asha" dekhechhilen, tai
>> na ?
Ar pakhi daka ar Ram nam sat hai er modhye fraction
> of a second er parthikyo chilo kina sei aspect ta bhebe dekhte hobe eta
> bujhte parini , erpor cinema te dhukle stop-watch niye boshbo.
>
Agey-porey bojhar jonye stopwatch lagey na. Bojhen ?
Aar agey-porey byaparTa important. Editing byaparTa to chhelemanushi
khyala noi. Apni abar phire jaan ja likhechhi tatey. Tarpor
interpretation-Ta korun.
> >
> > egulo happy ending epic e ba uponyasher jonne khasha , kintu
> > > manusher asha-nirasha je ekta baro samajik chitrer ongshobukhto jekhane
> > > nijer moddyei uttor kHnojar unmottota seta dekha jaini .
> >
> > Egulo assertion ? Othocho Ritwik-er chhobi dekhey apnar mone hoi
> > tatey dwondo aachhe ? Titash-er sheshey bhora maThe shishu dourano,
> > ajantrik-er sheshey shishur bhNepu bajano, Meghe Dhaka Tara-r sheshey
> > Anil Chatterjee-r hoThat borolok howa, kimba probability-r shob
> > theory-ke noshyat korey diye Subarnarekhatey por por "accidental"
> > ghoTona ghoTey jaoatey assertive kichhu lagena ? Bangla chhobitey
> > "statement" khub kholakhuli je dujon koreychhen tNara holen Ritwik aar
> > Mrinal. Aar sheTa onubhob kortey apnaar urbor mostishker
> > "interpretation"-o laagbe na.
>
> Protyakti shishu r scene er songye songye roieche koral bortoman , jemon
> Jukti tokke sontaner mathai angul chalano hochye bonduker dogar thik
> samne , serokom titasher shishur ullomphoner sathe satheyi protagonist
> nayika mrityur kole hariye jachhe , eguloi dondo-sonkot er prokash .
Orthat nirasha thhakchhe kintu taar shonge ashao aachhe -eTai
"contradiction", tai to ? Satyajit-e erokom udahoron nei bolchhen ?
Taholey pakhir daak (asha)-er shonge "raam naam satya hyai"(nirasha)
kyano contradiction noi ?
Mahanagar-e Aratir ashonno daridrer kotha bhebe chintito thhekeo aykTa
jhNoker mathai chakri chhere dyai...apshosh-o hoi taar (hotasha)..tobu
tar shwami aar shey asha korey je biraT kolkatai tader karur aykTAa
chakri hoye jabey (asha). Contradiction hishebe kyamon ?
Ba durbhikhho (hotasha) aar Parajapati (asha, apnaar kotha onujayi),
Ashoni Shongket-e ?
Aaro laagbe ?
In fact fantasy ebong shesh diker aar koyekTa chhobi baad diley
Satyajit-er chhobitey Ritwik-er moto "asha" diye shesh kora ami komi
dekhechhi. Apnaar mone porey ? Por por chhobigulor alochona korben ?
Ami raji.
> Subarnorekha assertive , et thik , tar uttor o Ritwik diyechhen "Somosto
> udbastu nari amader karo na karo bon" . eta assertive statement oboshyoi.
Titash-o tai, Ajantrik-o tai. Apni na manleo. Ritwik nijey ki bolechhen
shunun Titash shommondhe:
"adwoitababur pakshe jaa shabhabik chhilo tai tini korechhen, shesh
korechhen aykTa obokshoy-er moddhe, shamasta kichhu bhenge churmar hoye
jachchhe | shekhaney amar rajnoitik baktabya, shekhaney aami shompurno
praner pokshe notun jIboner ingite chhobi shesh korechhi | eke Marxism
bola jai, Humanism bola jai, raajnIti bola jai, abar nao bola jai |"
Apni Satyajit-er chhobitey pakhir daak shunley bolen Satyajit-er
boktobyo "jini melabar tini melaben" gochher. Ekhetrey ki bolben ?
> Mrinal Sen er ideological assertion ar Ritwiker inner contradiction
> essentially alada.
>
"assertion" aar "contradiction"er tulona to korini! Shudhu bolechhi je
dujonei "statement" korechhen tNar chhobitey, khub sposhTo bhashai, jeTa
Satyajit-er chhobitey nei.
> >
> > >
> > > > Satyajit nije bolechhilen je Shiddharto-r bhai-er choritro tNake
> > > > "interested" korey toley ni. Shey dedicated nokshal, aykbogga, tar
> > > > kono "contradiction" nei. Taar thheke onek interesting Siddhartha-r
> > > > choritro. Aar kichhu bojhen na bojhen Siddhartha-r dwondoTuku ontoto
> > > > apnaar onubhob korar kotha.
> > >
> > > Dedicated atmotyagi kono contradiction e bhogen na , eshob ekhon Satyajit
> > > er kach theke shikte hobe ......
> >
> > Chhagoler kono contradiction aachhe kina sheTa niye bhabar ki khub
> > proyojon aachhe ?
>
> Ekhon jar dedicated , atmotyagi tara je chagolsomo seta apnar kach theke
> shikchhi . JAra baper ENyar dhore boro hoi ar mayer ebong pore strir
> anchol dhore jibonjapon kore tara buddhidiggoch etao janlam .Eta to
> khubii swabhabik je BAaper ondokosh obolombone sukhi jibon bechhe newoar
> budhhi dedicated chagol der nei .
>
Byektigoto storey niye jaoar proyojon nei. Apnar ki nijeke chhagol mone
hochche amar lekhaTa porey, taholey sorry. Jakgey, nokshal-o chhagol,
RSS/BJP-o chhagol - ebarey khushi to ?
Boktobyo aykTai: Satyajit committed rajnoitik kormir moddhe
contradiction aachhe bole mone koren na. Ekhetrey Satyajit ki mone koren
sheTai joruri (sheTa shotti ki mithye, apnaar mot-e sheTa noi), kyanona
sheTa proman korey je tini contradiction aachhe erokom choritre beshi
interested chhilen. Apnar subjective motamot diye sheTakey orano jai na
(apni bhinnomot oboshyoi hotey paaren).
> >
> > Tini mohan kono sondeho nei , kintu
> > > atmotyager bindumatro tini konodin dekhieyechen kina janina ,
> >
> > Ki bojhatey chaichhen ? Satyajit kono atmotyag korenni naki tini tNar
> > chhobitey kono atmotyag dyakhanni ?
>
> Dutoi .Oboshyo atmotyagider bhetorer mono tini jene gechhen.
> >
> > tobe tini
> > > jene gechhen je dedicated nakshal je morte cholechhe she ekebare ekboggya
> > > , kono contradiction nei , nijer modhye lorai nei ....ba ba ....Erokom
> > > kauke ekbar jiggyesh korei dekhun na ....Somaj theke beriye eshe othochho
> > > physcically sei shomajer modhye thaka ta jodi contradiction na hoi ,
> > > tahole ar ki .
> >
> > "Commitment" shobdo-Ta bhalo laage apnaar ? CheshTa korun,
> > "assertive"tao bhalo laagbe.
> > Commitment thakle inner contradiction thake na bujhi?? Antonym e
> commitment er biporite to inner conflict khNuje pai ni....
>
Thhaktey paare: jyamon committed nokshal coffee house-e giye infusion na
coffee ki khaben sheTa niye conflict-e bhugte paaren. Kintu tNar
chintadharar aykTa dik "commitment"er basic definition onujayi, aykTa
nirdishTo pothey ba lokshey "fixed" hoye jai. Shekhaney proshno uThley
sheTa aar "commitment" thakey na.
> > Camus'r rebel ba outsider Satyajit panchsho bar porechhen
> > > , eta dhorei newo jai . byaktigoto obhigyota na thakleo secondary
> > > obhigyota diye to manush onek kichu jane ba bojhe , jodi obosyo se jante
> > > chai. Uni age thekei sidhhanto niye phellen ...
> > >
> >
> > Abar na bujhey bokchhen. Siddharthar bhai aykTa ideoalogy-r proti
> > committed...tai Satyajit-ke subject hishebe shey nara dyai na.Oi jonnoi Camus r kotha bolechilam jake Camus proshno koren "Etes vous
> pouvoir de mourir pour une ideé" se je protimuhurte kotorokomer
> conflicter modhye diye andolito hochhye seta uni dekhiyechilen .Andre
> Gide e byapare to treatise likhechilen mone hoi .Satyjit ra dhorei nilen
> commited lok kono contradiction er modhye diye boro hoi na , ba nijeder
> bikoshito kore tole na . Ei hochhye simpleton assertion.
Gide ba Camus mone korlei shob shotti hoye jai na. ETa byektigoto
"perception"er byapar. Satyajit mone korenni, sheTai ki ei alochonar
jonye jotheshTo noi ? Thik ki bhul sheTa niye lecture nahoi onyo
thread-e deben.
>
> > Siddharthar moddhe contradiction aachhe tai shilpir bishoy hishebe shey
> > onek akorshoniyo. Apnaar bhalo laagbe na eshob shuntey sheTa ami
> > khanikTa andaaj kortey paarchhi...
> >
> > >
> > > > Amar mot-e Ritwik-er chhobir khub "weak" point-gulor moddhe aykTa
> > > > holo ei dhoroner bosta-pocha melodrama. Gune dekhben - Subarnarekha-i
> > > > besh kichhu aachhe. Tollywood-er chhobi holey apnii galagali diten,
> > > > kono shondeho nei.
> > >
> > > Meldrama apnar bhalo na lagte pare , se niye to kotha hochhe na .
> >
> > SheTa jani. Tobey apni chhNedo melodrama-ke Ritwik-e udhrito korey
> > "contradiction" hishebe chalatey cheshTa korchhilen kina, tai bollam.
>
> Contradiction niye kotha hochhye , seta melodrama hoteo pare , nao pare ,
> tobe melodrama labelling ekta interpretation to botei.
>
Taholey melodramar kotha tolatey apotti korlen kyano agey ? Jabbabah!
> >
> > Ami to
> > > bolchina je Ritwik Satyajiter chaite onek Unchu MAner porichalok ...kotha
> > > hochhye PArthodar shuru kora inner contradiction er prokash niye ....oi
> > > porjontoi ...
> > >
> >
> > Ritwik-er moddhe contradiction chhilo eTa to oshwikar korchhina
> > (actually Ritwik-ke "confused" bolle shotti bola hoi).
>
> Kono manush jodi prokrito orthe confused na hoi ta hole to tar monuswatto
> bikashe gondogol achhe , karon tahole pre-destined ebong pre-programmed
> robot hoie jai se.
>
contradiction aar confused-er tophat-Ta kheyal korun. Ami robot-er kotha
tuli ni.
> Kintu tNar
> > cinemai contradiction kothai sheTai porishkar bhabey jantey chaichhi.
> > Aykhono bolenni. UlTey Satyajit assertive proman kortey giye
> > chchhorachchhen.
>
> Ei ke etogulo example dilam ektu age .
Shudhu bolechhen asha-nirasha pashapashi ashto tai contradiction. SheTA
jodi hoi taholey Satyajit-er moddheo ta aachhe. Thik kina ?
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Gonodhroshon kina janina , tobe woody allen nijer jangiya dkehie poisha
> > > > > > > kaman ,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aar onyera "social content" eneo poisha kamatey paaren na - eTai ki
> > > > > > apnaar raager karon ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Seta ki bola achhe ???
> > > >
> > > > tai ? taholey hoThat chhobir bishoye alochonai director poisha
> > > > koren kina ei niye porlen kyano ? Apnii kotha tulechhen, ami noi.
> > >
> > > Poisha kora ta bola hoechhe ei jonne je poisha korar jonne ideology r
> > > dohai na diye ar paNchjon je rokom bhabe NAkab na rekhei korchhen seta
> > > onek sat prochesta . Woody Allen er mukhe mukhe proletariat consciousness
> > > ar bourgeois consciousness ke galagal dewoa ar nijer dirty laundry
> > > dekhiye box office hit korar prochesta chilo alochyyo bishoibostu.
> > >
> >
> > eTar shongei ba poisha korar ki shomporko ? Poisha korey tNar chhobi,
> > lokey dyakhey boley. Tatey Woody Allen ki bishwash koren na koren tatey
> > ki eshey jai ?
>
> Hyan shudhu majhe majhe proletariat consciousness er masala ektu makhyie
> diley tolar opor er du diker tai kurono jabe .
>
Apni koTa chhobi dekhechhen Woody Allen-er ? Udahoron diye bolun to
kothai aachhe "proletariat consciousness"er kotha. Naame deben kintu,
ayk-dui korey.
Ami nichergulor aykTateo dekhini:
1. Broadway Danny Rose.
2. Hannah and her Sisters.
3. Crimes and Misdemeanors.
4. Husbands and Wives.
5. Manhattan.
6. Love and Death.
7. Purple Rose of Cairo.
8. All you Wanted to know about Sex.
9. Another Woman.
10. The Mighty Aphrodite.
11. New York Stories (aykTa part).
12. Annie Hall.
> > Apni bolechhilen: Godard America-te jonmanni boley lokey Woody Allen
> > dyakhey. Erokom chhelemanushi jukti-ke New Wave ene dNar korano jai ki ?
>
> Bhalo jinish ekhane toiri hoi na bole loke nordoma beche nei ...
>
Baje bokben na. Godard-er shob chhobii ekhaney dyakhano hoyechhe, choley
na sheTa onyo kotha.
> > BTW, opore je thothwo-Ti diyechhen (New Wave o Woody Allen bishoye) taar
> > aykTa shutro batlatey paaren ?
> >
Bollen na to ? Dhop marlen naki ?
> > > >
> > > > > Chobii hoi na ki hoi eshob kotha obantor noi ki ???
> > > >
> > > > Apni "obantor" maaneTa Thik janen to ? SposhTo bolun to Woody Allen
> > > > bhalo laagar shonge Godard America-te na jonmanor shomporko ki ?
>
> Goddard er standard er chobii ba nouvel vague er standard er chobbi
> america te utponno hole jNara ekhon Woody Allen dekhe ullosito hon tNara
> hoten na .
>
Art jinishTakey to subjective bolei jantaam, apnio tai bollen ager
thread-e. Eshob baajey chhelemanushi jukti khara korchhen kyano ?
Godard bharotey jonmaley lokey Ritwik/Satyajit chhNueo dekhto na - eTA
maanben ?
> > >
> > > Woody allen er interview gulo ar alochona gulo ektu dekhun na ....
> > > >
> > > > France e to
> > > > > shobcheye beshi pornographic boi hoi , ta niye to kotha hochhe na .
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bojhen dekhchhi! Taholey aar Godard teney ene dhokaben na alochonai!
> > >
> > > Pornography niye alochona hochhilo na ,
> >
> > Apni nijey du line agey bollne, tarporeo...
>
> Bollam ei karone je France e bohut rokomer jinish hoi tobe nouvel vague o
> hoi ebong erokom cinema andolon intellectual jogote aloron o phele .Amra
> focussed alochona korchilam .
>
"intellectual jogot" - eshob bhebey besh anondo paan "ki honu" bhebey,
tai na ? :-) Jara Hollywood dyakhey tara bhari non-intellectual, tai to
?
Arnab.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> > Ei ongshota Srabani Devi r lekhar protyuttore .....
>
>
> > rubbish" i mone hoi . Jeta dekhchi na ta hochhye je jinish ta niye kono
> > experience nei setar sommondhye experience korar kono resolution ba
>
> ei aager sentence-ta coherent na incoherent ta niye ekta bhot hoye jaak?
Srabani, tumi ki Byakoron-goto "incoherence"-er kotha tulchcho ? Tahole
amar ektu bujhte oshubidhe hochche ei oporer bakyangshe incoherence-ta
kothay dekhle. Ami oporer bakyo-ta ektu refine korar cheshta korchchi:
Swabhabik-er por ekta semicolon ba dNaRi dao. Kintu tachchaRah to
incoherence dekhlam na...
> > Er theke etoboro bokamo ar ki hote paare .Adda r 101 law i hochhye je je
> > kono samajik alochonake noibyaktik store rakha . Byaktibisheshhe r songye
> > setake juthe dewoa (sottyi bolte ki ) kono ojo-jo kore na .
Soumitra: Ekhane "bokamo", "ojo-jo" shobdoguli to aro baan deke anchche
noirbyektikota-take hoThiye dewar. Tumi-o jano, ami-o jani, Arnab besh
chinta-bhabna poRashona kore jukti diyei lekhe. TachchaRah "noirbyektik"
adda ba bitorko adou hoy ki ? Personal prejudice chcharah amra ki keu
kono bishoy approach korte pari naki ? Torker shonghorsher madhyomei to
shetar aykta noirbyektik matra toiri hoy, tai na ?
> Ete ami
> > kshoma chaibo na ba lojjito hobo na , nijeke dhikkar dii je erokom
> > public er sathe deal korte hochhye , Bhagyissh kolkatar addate ei
> > disgusting obhyigyota hoi ni , ontoto amar jiboner oi ongshota te kono
> > kalima chilo na .
Abar...
> This isn't incoherence - this is sheer lunacy! apni chaliye jan
> Soumitrababu, amay khyama din ebar.
Kotha hochchilo Rabindranath, Satyajit, Ritwick, commitment, shilpo --
bhablam scb-te shworNojug phire elo.
Otyonto lojjito bhabe,
Shoumyo.
Abhijit Mitra
Shoumyo Dasgupta <sho...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>bhablam scb-te shworNojug phire elo.
another saffron conspiracy, perhaps?;)
Perryban
balo shabey "srabani bibi ki joy!" poora kaley gargi bakyo juddho
korechhilen jagbalkya rishir shathe, ebong jite-chhilen. amra shei
jugey phirey eshechhi. srabani bibi ekhon shobai- ke bakyo
baley dhwanso korey dichhen.
eta hoy ghor koli-yug othoba aabar styao juger uday.
om shanti! om shanti! om!!!
jewel of bangladesh
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Na, ta noy. Saffron theke bohu durer kichchu bichokhkhon manush-er
shamoyik bhul. Themeo gyachchen tNara, safrron-der moto chaliye jan-ni.
Dekhun, pher apni shuru korlen. Apni-i bolechchilen ar Rajneeti
tanben-na.
Shoumyo.
Partha Chatterjee
Ektu byasto chhilam uttorta lekha hoye uthchhilo na. Jai hok -
Prothomey akta byapar ami porishkar korey nitey chai je ami ei alochani
kono pro-Ritwick ba anti-Satyajit obosthan nichhi na. Ami chhobir akta
attribute'er katha bolechhilam, jeta amar maney hoyechhey Ritwick'er
chhobitey dyakha jai onyo Bharotiyo chalochtrokarder kajer modhye shei
bhabey dyakha jai na. Amar maney hochhilo je ei alochanata akta
Ritwick-Satyajit jhogRai porjoboshito hotey cholechhey sheta kono
shuthotar lokkhon noi.
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
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>
> Satyajiter chhobi thheke Satyajit-ke chena jai na ? Ritwik-er chhobi
> thheke jeTa shorashori porishkaar hoi ta holo deshbhag niye onar
> "obsession". Kintu eTa chhara Ritwik-er chhobi dekhey Ritwik-er
> shommondhe jerokom andaaj kora jai, amar dharona Satyajit-er shomporkeo
> sherokom kora jetey paare. EkTu shokto hotey paare oboshyo, karon
> Ritwik-er cheye Satyajit onek beshi "subtle".
>
Apni jetakey obsession bolchhen shetai amar kachhey maney hoyechhey
Ritwick'er byaktishotta - tabey shudhu deshbhag kyano, Ritwick'er
chhobitey 'Ma' byaparta anekbari eshechhey - anekey er shangey archetype
ba Jung-tung eney phelben, ami shei shaber modhye jachhi na. EchaRao
kheyal koreley dekhben lok shilpo, gano sanskriti byapargulo ghurey
phirey uNki marey Ritwick'er chhobitey. Anekey bolben Ritwick'er chhobir
ei dik gulo prokkhipto - Ritwick'er incompetence'er lokkhon - amar
kachhey maney hoyechhey Ritwick'er intellectual bohemianism ba tNar
sub-conscious chhap phelechhey tNar chhobitey. Egulo karur bhalo lagtey
parey nao parey - kono kono boddhar map kathitey ei gulo shilpo karmer
khNut. Amar proshno Ritwickke jodi alochanar joggo porichalok maney hoi,
ebang agey ullekhito lokkhon gulo shhotteo Ritwick'er chhobi jodi amader
kachhey kono abedon rakhey, taholey ei lokkhon gulokei ba kaano amara
khotiye dekhbo na as valid cinematic elements.
Satyajit'er proshongey asha jak ebarey - Satyajit nana shomoye tNar
chhobitey kichhu statements korechhen (direct ba subtle), kintu apni
jodi Satyajiter chhobigulo khNutiye dyakhen taholey kakhono ki onudhabon
kortey perechhen je manush Satyajit Ray kono akta byaparey shotyi ki
bhabchhen - ontoto tNar chhobir bishoi bostu ba style thekey (bhul
bujhben na, etatey ami maney korina kono dosh achhey). Jaamon amar maney
hoyechhey Satyajit'er maner modhye kothao akta jijnasha chhilo
purush-nari shamporko niye. Satyajit'er bibhinno chhobitey tar shudhu
ingit paoa jai kintu eta niye tini kokhono khub sposhto honna. Amar
boktobyo je Satyajit'er chhobitey tNar sub-conscious'er chhap paRey na,
ba kokhono eshey poRleo porishilito Satyajit Ray shetakey beshi baRtey
dyan na.
> ..[deleted]..
>
> > > Amar Thik ulToTa mone hoyechhilo. Ei prothom Satyajit "direct statement"
> > > korechhen nijer chhobite (abar boli, ami cholochchitrer gunagun-er
> > > bicharey jachchhi na) | "Agantuk"-e Satyajit-er shesh boyesher
> > > drishTibhongir besh bhalo probhab aachhe | OnekTa Ritwik tNar chhobitey
> > > jyamon direct statement korten, sherokom bhabei shegulo eshechhe.
> >
> > Amra jakhon kono shilpo karma'key bichar kori takhon shudhu shei kajti
> > chaRa aro onyo anek kichhu shei bicharer upor prabhab phaley - keu balen
> > sheta thik keu ba bhinnomat. Tabey shab shomoi dyakha jai je ei bicharer
> > shomoi ager kaj, onyo madhyom aki bishoier upor kaj - kahinibhittik
> > chhobi holey mul galpo ba upanyash, ei gulo bicharer modhye eshey paRey.
> > Ritwick'er chhobitey shei rokom kichhu dwndo, dwidha, shankat'er
> > dharabahikata paoa jai.
>
> Udahoron chhara eTa clear hobey na. Jodi choritro o plot-er kotha bolen
> tobey Titash/Ajantrik chhara beshirbhag khetrei sheigulike shada-kalo-te
> bhag kore phyala jai. Shekhaney dwonder obokaash kothai ?
>
> Sheta Satyajit'er Ganoshotru ba Agontuk'e paoa
> > jaina, maney kichhu bishaye Satyajit tNar press statement korchhen hoito
> > mul dhara'r thekey ektu alada kintu unar dharatao akta chalu dhara
> > (sheta oboshyo hotei parey) - amar proshno, akta kaj thekey arekta kajey
> > tar dwidha-dwander dharabahikatar onuposthititi niye.
>
> Amar udahoronTa chhilo apnaar "Ar kono cholochitrokarer
> byakti shotta to tader kajer modhye prokash hotey dekhina." bakyotar
> poriprekshitey. Agontuk-e khub "direct" statement aachhe kono shondeho
> nei, kintu apni jodi ei shomoi deoa Satyajit-er interview -gulo poren
> (ba dyakhen) taholey dekhben boktobyogulo kachhakachhi (byakti shottar
> protipholon).
>
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>
Amar boktobyo-ta dekhley kheyal korben je ami akta dharabahikatar katha
bolechhilam, arthat akta period jurey kayekta kajer modhye akta manoshik
obosthar protiphalan (shudhu matro bishoy bostu noi, angikeo chhap
thakey) - sherakam kichhu Satyajiter chhobitey amar chokhey paReni, uni
akta chhobir parey onyo chhobi korechhen, kintu eigulo thekey amar maney
hoini je unar kono personal concern, confusion ba contradiction uni
chhobitey antey cheyechhen - in retrospect maney hoi je stree-purusher
shomporko niye uni majhey majhei bhabito hoyechhen kintu bypartakey
beshidur egutey dyanni ba obodamon (?) korechhen. Jodio etakey dosh
boley kintu ami adou maney korchhina.
> > > Alan Resnais-ke khubi "personal" mone hoyechhilo ("Hiroshima Mon Amour"
> > > ba "Last Night at Marienbad). Godard "style"e nijoshyo riti toiri
> > > korechhilen kintu onar chhobi-ke "personal" ki orthey jai sheTa amar
> > > kachhe porishkar noi. Ontoto Bresson, Bergman , Tarkovsky ba Woody
> >
> > Godard'er 'Far from Vietnam', 'Letter to Jane', 'Week End' ba Zdiga
> > Vertov period'er prai pratyekta chhobi tNar bibbhino shankat'er prakash
> > ghatiyechhey.
> >
>
> Shudhu "weekend"Tai dekhechhi, kintu kichhu bolar moto nei (ba pai ni).
> Amar boktobyo ei je New Wave chharao apni Ritwik-er chhobir je gun-er
> kotha bolchhen sheTa oneker chhobitei aro sposhTobhabey aachhe (uporey
> jNader udahoron diyechhi). Othocho tNara keu-i "new wave"er non ebong
> dujon New Wave-er ekTu age thhekei chhobi toiri shuru korechhilen.
Jodio ei thread'ta New Wave niye alochanar jaiga noi, taholeo New Wave
chhobir shangey Bergman ba Felinir chhobir taphat akta jaigai je
shadharon bhabey unara chhobi toirir chalu byakoron bhangeni. New Wave
porichalokder byaktishotta tader chhobi toirir byakaroney probhab
phelechhey (eta amar katha noi - James Monaco'r How to Read a Film (?)
boitatey jatodur maney paRey erakom classification kara hoyechhey - bhul
haley dhoriye deben kichhu maney korbo na kanona shudhumatro smritshokti
nirbhor karey likhchhi - amaro ei classification'ta thik maney hoi).
Shei rakom amar maney hoyechhey Ritwick'er byakti choritro, tNar chintar
bohemianism tNar chhobir form'er upor chhap phelechhey - keu hoito
boltey paren etey tNar chhobir khoti hoyechhe kintu sheta anyo alochana.
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> > >[deleted]
> >
> > Hotei parey - amar maney hoyechhey shab kichhui bhishon aropito. Mid ba
> > late twenties'er Russian chhobitey dekhben - shabai prai Eisenstein'er
> > Film Form thekey copy book khelchhen, kintu dekhey man bharey na, maney
> > hoi jaano Geoff Boycott century korchhey.
> >
>
> PuroTa shotti noi. Pudovkin, Dovzhenko, Dziga Vertov eNaarao chhobi
> korechhen oi shomoi ebong eNra protyekeri film-theory-te nijoshyo
> obodaan aachhe.
Kintu eNra chaRao prochur porichalok chhilen, aamonki Eisenstein nijeo
ei dosh thekey mukto non, 'General Line' ba Alexander Nevsky dekhey
shei rakomi maney hoyechhey amar je Eisenstein jor korey nijer tatto
proman karar cheshta korchhen.
>
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> > >
> > > Mani Kaul/Kumar Shahani'r chhobi diye bharotiyo "New Wave"ke maaptey
> > > gele kintu bhul kora hobey. In fact, oNder chhobi aykebarei onyorokom.
> > > Pashapashi notun style ebong bishoy niye aro onek porichalok uThey
> > > eshechhilen.
> >
> > Jaamon?
> >
>
> Mrinal Sen (Bhuvan Shome), Basu Chatterjee (Sara Akaash), Pattavi Rama
> Reddy (Samskara), Shyam Bengegal (Ankur), M S Sathyu (Garam Hawa), Avtar
> Kaul (27 Down), Ravindra Dharmaraj (Chakra), Adoor Gopalakrishnan,
> Aravindan, Girish Kasravalli, John Abraham, Syed Akhtar Mirza...list
> choltei thhakbey. Bharater chalachchitrer itihaash-er khub bhlao shomoi
> sheTa. ENder porey aaro aykTa notun generation eshechhilo jatey
> Buddhadev, Aparna, Gautam Ghosh, Govind Nihalani eNra chhilen.
Ami Adoor Gopalkrishnan, Aravindan, John Abraham'er chhobi dekhini. Syed
Akhtar Mirza ki jini
'Albert Pinto.. ' baniye chhilen? Girish Kasravalli'r shudhu
Ghatasradhha dekhechhi - Bhuvan Shome badey baki shab kata cinema amar
khub boring legechhilo.
Kshama cheye niye akta galpo boleni - galpota Kolkatai bus stand'e
dNariye shona :
Ak jon arekjon ke bolchhey: Jabi naki ajkey matineetey?
Dwitiyo byakti: ....'tey ki boi cholchhey?
Prothom : ......, Nasiruddin Shah achhey.
Dwitiyo : Oto shudhu artificial film karey.
Kathopokathon'ta shotyi, hall'er nam ar cinema'r nam bhuley gechhi,
tabey je cinema'tey 'Oye, Oye..' ganta chhilo.
Kathopokathon'ta shuney amar ei art film'key artificial film balata besh
majar legechhilo. Apni je cinem'gulor udaharon diyechhen tar anekgulokei
bodh hoi 'artificial film' bala jai. Aboshyoi ami generalize korchhina -
jamon Aparna Sen'ke ei daley phyala jaina. Gautam Ghosh'er Ma Bhumi
ebong Dakhol chaRa kichhu dekhini, besh bjaey tabey shuney maney
hoyechhey pare unar kajey anek poribartan hoyechhey.
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Alochanata bhalo lahchhey, chaliye jan, tabey amar smriti bibhrom ar
galpo balar jhNoktakey ektu kshama-ghennya karey.
- Shubhechha saha,
Partha