Dubbed Hindi serial in DD1 etc.
Soumitra Bose
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> Tathagata,
>
> Dejanews'e tomar initation dekhlam. Tarpore khNutiye khNutiye Nalinbabu'r
> post'ti poRe ja bujhlam, kichhu lok'r chakri jabe tai tNara Bangla bhasha
> bNachano'r chhuto kore signature campaign korchhen, darshak ki chai na chai
> sheta gouno, tai she proshonge kichhu bola hoyni original article'ti'te.
>
> Thik bujhlam ki?
>
> BTW, tomar kono idea achhe o'i Bangla'te dub kora Swabhiman ki range'r
> popular ta niye? Nei bolei mone hoy. Bhalo serial'r byapar'e na jaowa'i
> bhalo, ja define kora jai na subjective preference'r baire ta niye faltu
> kotha bole ki labh? Amar nijer bhalo na lagte pare, in fact lage na, kintu
> DD chole lok'r poisa'te, lok'r dekhe bhalo laglei holo, Bangla bhasha
> bNachuk ar moruk. Anyway sheta to main point na, main point holo kichhu
> lok'r chakri jaowa. Sheta tobu bujhi, pet'r dai after all, kintu onyo'ta
> bujhi na.
>
> Aj jodi DD puropuri private hat'e chole jai tahole to Bangla program shref
> uthe jabe, karon darshak'r abhab. Sheta kyano, ta niye alochona korte
> utsahi keu? Agerbare'o e proshno'ti kortei shobai chepe gelen. Kyano
> Kolkata'r cosmopolitan viewer consciously Bangla'ke reject korchhe, e'i
> proshno'ta avoid kore Dilli'r imposition (which is there, but has really
> insignificant effect, karon at best ta lok'e anyway ja chai sheta'i ene
> dei) niye alochona kora reeks of escapism. Particularly for practitioners
> of Bengali art and literature.
>
> Rajniti niye matha ghamiye keu konodin Bangla bhasha'ke bNachiye rakhte
> parbe na Tathagata, barong mon diye sahityo chorcha korle onek beshi labh
> hobe. IMHO.
>
> Regards,
> Apratim.
Mul bhab tar modhye ekta inocuous apato-sarolyo r chNowa thakelo ,
byaparta ektu bhebe dekhle mondo hoi na . Public ke nordoma dile se
nordoma khabe jotkhon na onno kichu dewoa jai , public ke rabri dile,
tNara Nordoma GNHatbe na , eta sotthyi je kolkatar theke bhalo bangla
natok ba goppo brocche na , tai bangla cinemai hoi trash Bombaiya boi ar
na hole tosyo trash bangladesh theke kichu ana hoechhye , kintu bhalo
jinish je hochhye na tao noi, onke hochhye Sambhu mitror ChNad Boniker
Pala durdanto popular hoiechhe , Somproti ekok obhinoyer Meghnad Bodh
kavyo loke du din line diye ticket paini (jodi na kichu mama dada dhora
na thake), BAngla r shomoi komiye diye hindi r shomoi barano shudhui
market forcer whimse noi ota suchotur chenali , Bangla program jNAra
bachen , dosh ta tNAder , Bangla songsckritiro noi, ar shob dosh publicer
ghare chapiye onek otrano jai . Protidin rate Shonagachi te ki hoi ,
protyek ghore giye ekta tothyochitro tulle ta bodhoi bangla sobhyotar
itihase shobchye beshi popular hobe , market force r dohai diye seta
korlei hoi tahole . Shob kichu market fetishism diye hoi na , market
kintu dhup kore opor theke jhore pore na , ba swambhu noi, seta keu na
keu kothao na kothao kono na kono porkriyai gore tole .Proshno ta
sekhanei , ke ba kara gore tulchhe ,Maku juge gore tolar lok nei , JNAra
achhen tader pacha mota hoie giye mathai chepe bosehche (JU te oNder
ekmatro tattik poran ). Sei dosh byapok bangallee ke soite hobe , tar
chaite borong erokom andolon koreo jodi kichuta sombit phire ashe ,setai
shreyo ...
Sambit Basu
asa...@cs.bu.edu (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>Nei bolei mone hoy. Bhalo serial'r byapar'e na jaowa'i
>bhalo, ja define kora jai na subjective preference'r baire ta niye faltu
>kotha bole ki labh? Amar nijer bhalo na lagte pare, in fact lage na, kintu
>DD chole lok'r poisa'te, lok'r dekhe bhalo laglei holo, Bangla bhasha
>bNachuk ar moruk.
Absolutely true. Kintu proshno hochchhe je lok-er bhalo
laage kina, she sommondhe ki konorokom study kore
ei policy-gulo neowa hoy?
Aar tachhaDa lok-er bhalo laga-tao to aar
"dhora nei, chhNowa nei, bhaari shokto" byapar
kichhu noy - sheta-o to culture korte/korate
hoy. DD jodi lok-er poisa-y na cholto, ta'le
kono boktobyo thakto na.
>Aj jodi DD puropuri private hat'e chole jai tahole to Bangla program shref
>uthe jabe, karon darshak'r abhab. Sheta kyano, ta niye alochona korte
>utsahi keu? Agerbare'o e proshno'ti kortei shobai chepe gelen. Kyano
>Kolkata'r cosmopolitan viewer consciously Bangla'ke reject korchhe, e'i
Eta kirokom - "conciously Bangla'ke reject korchhe"?
Sambit
sayan bhattacharyya
Sambit Basu <sam...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>
> Aar tachhaDa lok-er bhalo laga-tao to aar
> "dhora nei, chhNowa nei, bhaari shokto" byapar
> kichhu noy - sheta-o to culture korte/korate
> hoy.
Exactly. Apratim was making the mistake of thinking that popular
taste is something which is pre-existent and that it is a simple
question of demand driving supply.
In reality, however, there is a feedback mechanism. Demand is
driving supply and in turn supply is driving demand as well.
The more you have a certain kind of programming on tv, the more
people get addicted to it and start craving for more of the
same.
Culture and taste are socially constructed, and in our age mass
media plays a very big role in how they are constructed.
Apratim Sarkar
Shoumyo Dasgupta (txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu) wrote:
: Apratim:
: Tomar punorabritto (ebong, jothareeti ->) dhomkani dewa lekhati poRlam.
: Tumi kintu amar proshner uttor daoni.
Proshno'ti je inconsequential so far as Hindi imposition goes, shetai
bojhate cheyechhilam. Parini dekhchhi. Arekta attempt nichchhi.
: Amar ki kora uchit na uchit ei
: niye ami kintu proshno korini.
Amar bishesh onyaya hoye gyachhe Tathagata. Tumi ki amake konodin
khama korte parbe?
: Amar proshno chchilo etai je, jodi Kolkatar kusholira bhalo onushthan-o
: korten, taholeo to dekhchchi Mandi House oder onushthaan prochar korte
: dichchen na.
E'i tathyo'ti Nalinbabu'r post'r kon angsho theke sangroho
korle? Jodi na amra dhore ni je Bangla'te anushthan manei "bhalo"
anusthan, ki locally produced manei "bhalo", tobe kintu bhalo-
kharap'r kono proshno'i o'i post'ti tole na.
: Bhalo korle diten bole mone hoy tomar ?
Bhalo mane thik ki, tar ekta definition debe? Bhalo mane jodi
popular hoy, amae dharona jhot kore ekti popular show MH pull
korben na. Ajkaal DD'keo labh dekhate hoy, advertisement ityadi'r
kotha bhabte hoy.
Achchha, bhalo'r ki kono objective definition hoy? Personal
pachhondo chhelemanush'r moto ekti mass media'r khetre proyog
abashyo'i keu korben na, right?
: Ba, Bangali dorshok
: jodi bhalo laga onushthaan chaiten, tahole ?
Tai to diyechhen. Swabhimaan ityadi.
: Ei bishoye tomar mot ba alochonay ongshogrohon cheyechchilam matro. Er
: beshi noy. Tumi ja likhechcho sheta to amader alochona hoye gyachche,
: tai na ?
SCB'te arekbar hok na, ki balo? Tomar public invitation dekhe mone
holo tumi public discussion'e interested hobe.
: Shoumyo.
Apratim.
Apratim Sarkar
Soumitra likhechhe:
> Mul bhab tar modhye ekta inocuous apato-sarolyo r chNowa thakelo ,
> byaparta ektu bhebe dekhle mondo hoi na . Public ke nordoma dile se
> nordoma khabe jotkhon na onno kichu dewoa jai , public ke rabri dile,
> tNara Nordoma GNHatbe na ,
Shah Rukh Khan'r notun cinema'r ticket je dusho taka'te black hoy,
lok'e je Nandan'e giye Subarnarekha dyakhe na, eta explain karo ki
kore Soumitra?
[Amar personal preference anyjayi ager statement'ti korlam, dharona
Soumitra'r shange ta mile jabe, absolute statement na
bhalo-kharap'r byapare.]
> eta sotthyi je kolkatar theke bhalo bangla
> natok ba goppo brocche na , tai bangla cinemai hoi trash Bombaiya boi ar
> na hole tosyo trash bangladesh theke kichu ana hoechhye , kintu bhalo
> jinish je hochhye na tao noi,
Agreed (amar personal preference anujayi, abar) ebong ta ami ageo
bolechhi.
> onke hochhye Sambhu mitror ChNad Boniker
> Pala durdanto popular hoiechhe , Somproti ekok obhinoyer Meghnad Bodh
> kavyo loke du din line diye ticket paini (jodi na kichu mama dada dhora
> na thake),
Personally ami "bhalo" ebong "popular" e duto'r modhye ekta clear
line tene rakhi (independence'r khatire, mutual exclusion'r noy).
Kintu, very welcome news, erokom aro kichhu production holei
case'ta improve korbe, ebong kendriyo sarkar'r chakranter khNoj
na kore sheta'r chesta karai amar mote onek beshi kajer kaj.
> BAngla r shomoi komiye diye hindi r shomoi barano shudhui
> market forcer whimse noi ota suchotur chenali , Bangla program jNAra
> bachen , dosh ta tNAder , Bangla songsckritiro noi, ar shob dosh publicer
> ghare chapiye onek otrano jai .
Dosh of course tNadero achhe. Kintu at the minimum arekjon Tapan
Sinha'o je ar ashchhen na, for example, sheta'ke'o puropuri avoid
kora basically dishonest. Public'ke to ami kono dosh dichchhi na,
kintu tumi public'r preference'ta ignore korar chesta
korchho. Shetao dishonesty, IMHO.
> Protidin rate Shonagachi te ki hoi ,
> protyek ghore giye ekta tothyochitro tulle ta bodhoi bangla sobhyotar
> itihase shobchye beshi popular hobe , market force r dohai diye seta
> korlei hoi tahole .
Tumi ajatha utola hochchho Soumitra. Shanto hao. Bangla culture'r
itihas'e prochur production achhe ja popular kintu pornography noy,
ta tumiyo jano. Ekhon Shambhu Mitrer je khamota achhe ta bakider
nei, tai tara either sarkari protection chaiben noito, "tobe ki
amra pornography tulbo" e bole kNadben, e'i duto'i ki ekmatro
option?
> Shob kichu market fetishism diye hoi na , market
> kintu dhup kore opor theke jhore pore na , ba swambhu noi, seta keu na
> keu kothao na kothao kono na kono porkriyai gore tole .
Marketting to achhei. Kintu public'r ekanto apachhonder jinish
shudhu marketting'e bikoy na. Ekta basic aceptance je achhe,
sheta'ke "shudhu marketting" bole uRiye deowa'ta ... well, khubi
subidhejanak.
> Proshno ta
> sekhanei , ke ba kara gore tulchhe ,Maku juge gore tolar lok nei , JNAra
> achhen tader pacha mota hoie giye mathai chepe bosehche (JU te oNder
> ekmatro tattik poran ). Sei dosh byapok bangallee ke soite hobe , tar
> chaite borong erokom andolon koreo jodi kichuta sombit phire ashe ,setai
> shreyo ...
Kichhu homRa-chomRa experienced lok eshe raBri'ke rabRi ar
nardoma'ke nardoma bole certify kore diye public'r ruchi toiri
korben, e'i elitist stand'ti tomar bishesh artho-shamajik bodh o
sub-altern'premi chetona'r shonge kibhabe adjust koriye nichchho
Soumitra? Paro mairi!
Apratim.
sayan bhattacharyya
> Shah Rukh Khan'r notun cinema'r ticket je dusho taka'te black hoy,
> lok'e je Nandan'e giye Subarnarekha dyakhe na, eta explain karo ki
> kore Soumitra?
Simple.
Bombay movie culture surrounds a person X from an early age. It is beamed
daily through tv, played on loudspeakers, splashed on magazines. People
are exposed to it constantly. This creates addiction.
People are not exposed to the culture that Subarnarekha represents, that
intensely as they are to Bombay culture.
ek aphim-khorer kukurer golpo poRechhilam | kukurer monib hor din aphimer
Dera-y jeto kukur-ke niye aar aaphim sebon korto | er por monib ekdin
mara gelo | edike aaphim-er proti constant exposure-e kukur neshagrosto
hoye gechhe | roj se-o aaphim-er Deray giye chup koret bose thake |
"nesha" byapar-Tir ostitwo mano ki na?
Your comparison would have been valid if after EQUAL amounts and degrees
of exposure to Subarnarekha culture and Shah Ruok culture, people chose
the latter. But in the life of an average person in Calcutta, daily
exposure to Shah Ruok culture is far greater than exposure to Subarnarekha
culture (ask yourself which culture predominates in mass media).
sayan bhattacharyya
In article <5lcs85$m...@news.bu.edu>, Apratim Sarkar <asa...@cs.bu.edu> wrote:
>
> Kichhu homRa-chomRa experienced lok eshe raBri'ke rabRi ar
> nardoma'ke nardoma bole certify kore diye public'r ruchi toiri
> korben, e'i elitist stand'ti tomar bishesh artho-shamajik bodh o
> sub-altern'premi chetona'r shonge kibhabe adjust koriye nichchho
> Soumitra? Paro mairi!
It is not a question of "public-er ruchi toiri kora" from above. It is
a question of leveling the playing field, so that the "public" can get
exposure to all the cultural options available and then make an informed
choice.
Thus, it is not elitist at all.
Apratim Sarkar
Sayan likhechhe:
> It is not a question of "public-er ruchi toiri kora" from above. It is
> a question of leveling the playing field, so that the "public" can get
> exposure to all the cultural options available and then make an informed
> choice.
> Thus, it is not elitist at all.
Aha, _now_ I see! Jatodin na playing field level e'i certificate
pachchhe public'r eto rowab ashe kotha theke je nijer pachhonde
ekta serial dekhe fyale? Age shob option available hok, public
porikkha diye "informed" e'i diploma pak, tarpor Hindi serial
dekha'r odhikar asleo aste pare. In the mean time, playing field
level korar chhuto'te popular serial dekhano (public'r'i poisa'te
chola mass media'te) absolutely baron, onyo je shob "cultural
option"'e informed hobar bindumatro ichchhe darshak'r nei sheta
tader gelano hok. All for the sake of enlightenment, of course,
and hence it is not elitist.
Thanks much for making me "informed", Sayan.
Apratim.
Apratim Sarkar
Mandar likhechhe:
> dupurbelar programme-er pore DD ekta survey gochher dekhato -- kone
> programme
> kotota popular eirokom kichhu akta bishoye. tumi ki tar bhittite bolchho je
> Swabhiman byapok popular, kolkata-r cosmopolitan viewer bangla programme-ke
> reject korechhe, etc.?
Most probably Anandabajar'e, onyo kono kagoj'o hote pare, ekta
report poRechhilam. Ad'r byapar'ta shekhane chhilo.
Ar ki khabor Mandar?
> mandar.
Apratim.
Sambit Basu
Apratim Sarkar writes:
>Sambit likhechhe:
>: Absolutely true. Kintu proshno hochchhe je lok-er bhalo
>: laage kina, she sommondhe ki konorokom study kore
>: ei policy-gulo neowa hoy?
> Jani na, keu janen ki? Ekta advertisement'r poisa'r hisheb thake
> bole shunechhi abashyo.
Jodi advertisement-er poisa (jeta number of viewer-er
shonge directly related) akmatro maapkaathi hoy,
kono regional language hindi-r shonge kono slot-ei
palla dite paarbena sheer population-er jonne.
>: Aar tachhaDa lok-er bhalo laga-tao to aar
>: "dhora nei, chhNowa nei, bhaari shokto" byapar
>: kichhu noy - sheta-o to culture korte/korate
>: hoy.
> Shottor bachhor'r Russian example porishkar dekhiye diyechhe
> Sambit je pachhondo culture kora ato shoja byapar na. Ad agency'r
> lokera magna ato poisa kaman na. Forashi sarkar ato chesta koreo
> parchhen na kyano Mc-culture'r intrusion bandho korte? Hindi
> cinema'te (to take just one example) emon kichhu ekta thik'i achhe
> ja lok'e khai.
Russia, France-e na giye bombay-te jao Apratim. Hindi
chhobi-r trend-ta dyakho. Tirish bochhor aage je chhobi
hit korto shei dhoroner maal aajkaal aar cholena kano
bole tomar mone hoy?
> DD popular show dekhachchhe, lok'r poisa'te chola je kono agency
> e chhaRa ki korte pare?
Popular-er shonge "bhalo" (definition-ta jai hok)
program dekhate paare.
> Ebong kibhabe sheta'ke pachondo culture
> kora bola jete pare sheta'o ami thik bujhlam na. Barong jodi aj
> saptahe ekta documentary dekhiye PBS'r darshak WB'r ghore-ghore
> toiri'r chesta hoy, shetake'i barong pachhondo culture kora bole
> amar mone hobe. Ebong public'r poisa'te chola agency'r sheta kora
> ekantoi anuchit hobe bole amar dharona. [Jodi na lok'e documentary
> dekha prefer kore - haha!]
Eshob shorkaari mass-media-r bhishon lofty principles
aachhe...she jaakge. Tomar kotha mene popularity-i
jodi onushthan bachha-r akmatro parameter bole dhore nite
hoy ta'le soft ebong hard panu-r akta misron-er kono
bikolpo nei; Shwabhimaan-faan puro haowa hoye jaabe.
>: Eta kirokom - "conciously Bangla'ke reject korchhe"?
> E'i je Bangla boi'r bajar monda, Bangla cinema maromaro, Bangla
> natok timtim kore chole ... e'i ar ki. Eta'ke'i rejection
> bolechhilum, ar coercion dekhte pachchhi na jehetu, jyamon'ti na
> hoy TV'r byapare bola jai, byapar'ta concious'i mone hoyechhilo.
Bangla jatra kirokom popular jaano? Bangla chhobi - oi
"Bodhu Ma holo na "type-er, mofoshwol-er dike probol
protaap-e chole (video parlour-e oboshyo naki rambo).
TV-teo "jononi" na ki akta naam-er serial ma-mashi-ra
shunlum re re kore dekhechhen.
Tumi ki kolkata-r culture-kei exhaustive bangla culture
bole dhore nichchho?
Sambit
Arnab Gupta
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> Apratim Sarkar writes:
..[deleted]...
Sambit-er lekha-r koyek-ta ongsho shommondhe montobyo korchhi,
bishoygulo puropuribhabey ei bitorker shonge shomporkito noi.
>
> Eshob shorkaari mass-media-r bhishon lofty principles
> aachhe...she jaakge. Tomar kotha mene popularity-i
> jodi onushthan bachha-r akmatro parameter bole dhore nite
> hoy ta'le soft ebong hard panu-r akta misron-er kono
> bikolpo nei; Shwabhimaan-faan puro haowa hoye jaabe.
>
panu dyakhalei dorshok khabey - ei gochher aykta montobyo er
ageo aykjon korechhen dekhlam. Amar proshno ei assumption-er
bhitti-ta kothai. Tothwo nei amar kachhe, tobey obhigyota
to boley je Europe-America-ta panu ayto shohojlobhyo holeo
lokey "bhalo" jinish chhaReni..tar bajaar to tyamoni achhe.
Bharot-er khetrey ki eta khaniktao projojyo hobey na ?
> >: Eta kirokom - "conciously Bangla'ke reject korchhe"?
>
> > E'i je Bangla boi'r bajar monda, Bangla cinema maromaro, Bangla
> > natok timtim kore chole ... e'i ar ki. Eta'ke'i rejection
> > bolechhilum, ar coercion dekhte pachchhi na jehetu, jyamon'ti na
> > hoy TV'r byapare bola jai, byapar'ta concious'i mone hoyechhilo.
>
> Bangla jatra kirokom popular jaano? Bangla chhobi - oi
> "Bodhu Ma holo na "type-er, mofoshwol-er dike probol
> protaap-e chole (video parlour-e oboshyo naki rambo).
> TV-teo "jononi" na ki akta naam-er serial ma-mashi-ra
> shunlum re re kore dekhechhen.
Bangla serial je khub popular hoyechhe ta Kolkata giye ebar besh
bhalobhabey chokhey porlo. Shey karonei (puro khoborta na peyeo)
Mandi House-er kajkormo shomporke shondigdho hotey hoi. Tobey
Bangla chhobi mofoshwol-e probol protapey cholleo Kolkatar studio-r
obostha to shochoniyo. Tollywood-e tim tim korey aDaikhana studio-tey
kaaj hoi boley shunlam.
Arnab.
Srabani Banerjee
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
> >...Hindi gan Kishore kumar ,Kumar
> >Panu ekhon NAchiketa,Suman ke jaiga kore dite bahyo hoiechilo .
>
> Kishore Kumar-er gaan jodi Suman ba Nachiketa-ke jayga
> chheDe dite badhyo-o hoto, biplob-er ki hoto janina,
> gaan-er barota beje jeto.
>
leeeh pocha!
Srabani
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
>.Tar karon Rabrir notun edition beroi na , KAlomegher Jol notun packaging
> e beroi . Suman Nocciketa ekhon ghattir bajar e tobe kal aro notun jkeu
> ele seta abar Hindi cinema chariye jete pare , ontoto ekta shomoie Suman
> nachiketa gechhilo.
Gaan-chhobir byapare 'ke kakey chhaRiye gyalo' gochher ghoR-douri anondo
upobhog korar byaparta amar ashena. Hindi gaan jodi bhalo hoi (ebong
goto kuri bochhor-er itihash-e ja shotti) amar ta shuntey bindumatro
apotti nei. Ontoto Suman ba Nachiketa-ke chheRe Kishore Kumar shuntey to
aykebarei apotti nei. Bhagyer ki porihaash...aykshomoi Nachiketa-r
shonge guru Suman-er kotha uthley tNar bohu bhokto-ke teley-beguney hoye
uthtey dekhechhi (oboshyoi er khanikta shongotobhbaey, IMO)..aykhon
gurukei Nachiketar shonge juRi bNadhtey hochhe "market" rakhar jonye.
Aar Snehasis-er post pore-to mone holo aytodiney Suman tNar
Anondo"bajaari" biplob shompurno korlen. Jio guru!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arnab.
NILABJA MUKHERJEE
Kishore Kumar-er sangey bakider kono tulona hoy na,tulona kara uchhit noy
ote Kishore Kumar-er gaan ke apaman kara hobe | Suman gayak hisabe satyi
khoob bhalo kintu Nachiketa ? gaaner madhey shuorer bachha uchcharan
korley ki jiban mukhi gaayak hoya jay ?
NIL MUKHERJEE.
NXM...@RIT.EDU.
Apratim Sarkar
Soumitra Bose (soum...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Arnab Gupta wrote:
: >
: > Soumitra Bose wrote:
: >
: > ..[deleted]..
: >
: > >> Kichhu homRa-chomRa experienced lok eshe raBri'ke rabRi ar
: > >> nardoma'ke nardoma bole certify kore diye public'r ruchi toiri
: > >> korben, e'i elitist stand'ti tomar bishesh artho-shamajik bodh o
: > >Rabri ar nordomar certification lagena , Hindi gan Kishore kumar ,Kumar
: > >Panu ekhon NAchiketa,Suman ke jaiga kore dite bahyo hoiechilo .
: > Kobey ? Kothai ?
: >
: > Manush
: > >Rabri ke Rabri bolei chene , KAlomegher jolke Rabri bole na .
: > >
: >
: > Exactly! Soumitrababu ki khoj korechhen Kolkatai kar cassette
: > beshi bikri hoi ? Kishore Kumar na Suman-Nachiketa'r ? Kono
: > statistics thhakley janaben. Byektigoto obhigyotai janai,
: > pNochanobboi-e desh chhaDar shomoi Suman-er jetuku `popularity'
: > dekhechhilam tar shotangsho-o oboshishto achhe kina sheta deR
: > bochhor por Kolkatai giye ter pelam na. Ektu bhebe dekhben please
: > lokey rabri kheyeo kyano abar kalmegher jol khetey phirey jai.
: >
: > Arnab.
: Tar karon Rabrir notun edition beroi na , KAlomegher Jol notun packaging
: e beroi . Suman Nocciketa ekhon ghattir bajar e tobe kal aro notun jkeu
: ele seta abar Hindi cinema chariye jete pare , ontoto ekta shomoie Suman
: nachiketa gechhilo.
Notun kichhu ele prothom prothom novelty'r jor'e kichhu'ta bajar
pete'i pare. Kintu ekta decade jete na jetei ta jodi bohu purono
Hindi gaan'ke abar bajar chheRe dei, perhaps ta market preferences
sammondhe kichhu ekta bole Soumitra. Kalmegh'r jol'r notun edition
lage na, Guljar-R.D.Burman'r bohu purono shob composition notun
CD'te hoi hoi kore bikri hochchhe. Kintu rabRi'r notun edition
lagchhe, eta kyano? Bajare raBri chollo na bole ki? Lok'e ki chay,
she byapare ar kato chokh buje thakbe mama?
Apratim.
soumitri mukherjee
NILABJA MUKHERJEE wrote:
>
> Kishore Kumar-er sangey bakider kono tulona hoy na,tulona kara uchhit noy
> ote Kishore Kumar-er gaan ke apaman kara hobe | Suman gayak hisabe satyi
> khoob bhalo kintu Nachiketa ? gaaner madhey shuorer bachha uchcharan
> korley ki jiban mukhi gaayak hoya jay ?
orebbas! baangla gaaner lyrics-er opor ki kono Censor Board kholaa
hoyechhe ? aapni ki taar probaashi shodoshshyo?
---soumitri
>
> NIL MUKHERJEE.
> NXM...@RIT.EDU.
>
> On Thu, 15 May 1997, Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> > Sambit Basu wrote:
> > >
> > > Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> > >
> > > >...Hindi gan Kishore kumar ,Kumar
> > > >Panu ekhon NAchiketa,Suman ke jaiga kore dite bahyo hoiechilo .
> > >
> > > Kishore Kumar-er gaan jodi Suman ba Nachiketa-ke jayga
> > > chheDe dite badhyo-o hoto, biplob-er ki hoto janina,
> > > gaan-er barota beje jeto.
> > >
> >
> > leeeh pocha!
> >
> > Srabani
> >
> >
--
The game of life is not so much in holding a good hand
as playing a poor hand well---H.T. Leslie
sayan bhattacharyya
Arnab Gupta <GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>aykshomoi Nachiketa-r
>shonge guru Suman-er kotha uthley tNar bohu bhokto-ke teley-beguney hoye
>uthtey dekhechhi (oboshyoi er khanikta shongotobhbaey, IMO)..aykhon
>gurukei Nachiketar shonge juRi bNadhtey hochhe "market" rakhar jonye.
eTa bujhlam na | Suman-ke ki sob somoye tNaar "bhokto"-der kotha
shune, permission niye sob kaj korte hobe bolte chaichho?
Your logic is completely incoherent here. Essentially, you
are saying:
(1) Some Suman admirers do not like Nachiketa.
(2) Suman is singing with Nachiketa.
(3) Therefore, Suman is an opportunist.
What I don't understand is why Suman should be constrained
by what some of his _fans_ think about Nachiketa.
You would have made sense if there was any evidence that Suman
_himself_ in the past had said that he does not like or disapprove
of Nachiketa or his music. If you have such evidence, please
produce it. Then and only then can you accuse Suman of opportunism.
What some of Suman's _fans_ think about Nachiketa is completely
irrelevant here!
For example, some of Suman's fans (doubtless) may not like
chicken cutlet. Does that mean that Suman should avoid eating
chicken cutlet, and if he ever does, that should be construed
as some kind of "betrayal" ?? As Apratim would say, "paro boTe
mairi" ...
In 1994 I have personally heard Suman say that he totally
respects what Nachiketa was doing and I've heard him publicly
congratulate Nachiketa.
Cynical hoye jachchho Arnab ....
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Achcha ei proshonge jigyesh kori: SHilajit shunechchen keu ? Ebar
Kolkata theke haate eshe pNouchcholo Shilajit-er "Bhumika".
Shekhane Bhumika, Prem jyano oasis, Tumi ja jinish guru, Pother
pNachali, Bajlo Chchutir ghonta - ei gangulo amar dibyi legechche.
Bikele konya-ke kole niye jore ei ganguli chaliye dolai. Sheo ajkal oi
ganguli bajlei shorir dolay (noy mash boyoshei peke gyachche!).
Apnader karo shona thakle kemon laglo janaben ?
SHoumyo.
--
"...Sroter bolkole dhaka prodeepdrishyer pichchu pichchu
Nrityer bhongima matro jege thake, ar thake ophuronto dheu
Bhasha, shudhu bhashai niyoti"
- NODIKOTHA, Goutom Choudhuri
Arnab Gupta
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta <GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
> >aykshomoi Nachiketa-r
> >shonge guru Suman-er kotha uthley tNar bohu bhokto-ke teley-beguney hoye
> >uthtey dekhechhi (oboshyoi er khanikta shongotobhbaey, IMO)..aykhon
> >gurukei Nachiketar shonge juRi bNadhtey hochhe "market" rakhar jonye.
>
> eTa bujhlam na | Suman-ke ki sob somoye tNaar "bhokto"-der kotha
> shune, permission niye sob kaj korte hobe bolte chaichho?
Tumi bhul bujhechho Sayan. "Bhagyer ki porihaash.." boltey ami Suman
bhokto-der refer korechhilam. TNara aykshomoi Nachiketar shonge Suman-er
naam joDaley khepey jeten..aj tNader obosthata bhebe dyakho!!! Suman
aykhon nijey thhekei Nachiketa-r shonge juDi bNadhchhen.
> In 1994 I have personally heard Suman say that he totally
> respects what Nachiketa was doing and I've heard him publicly
> congratulate Nachiketa.
>
Suman-er pocchonder proti sroddha-ta komey gyalo hey..
> Cynical hoye jachchho Arnab ....
>
Tumi Snehasis-er post-ta porechho ? Er poreo bolchho cynical hoye
jabo na ? Ami tomar dhoirjyor tarif kori Sayan.
Arnab.
sayan bhattacharyya
In article <5le8hb$c...@news.bu.edu>, Apratim Sarkar <asa...@cs.bu.edu> wrote:
>
> 60's-70's'e Hindi ebang Bangla cinema'r availability, Kolakata'te
> antoto, ayki range'r chhilo. Hindi cinema survive korlo, Bangla
> korlo na. Kyano? Shudhu supply diye sheta explained hobe ki?
>
I think it had to do with the economics of scale. When you
are mass-producing goods, high-volume production always increases
profit margin more than low-volume production. Because the market for
Hindi films or LPs was larger (being pan-Indian), whereas that
for Bengali ones was smaller (being restricted to WB; trade
with E. Pakistan or Bangladesh was nearly non-existent, another
example of state intervention), naturally the profitability of
Bengali cultural commodoties was lower. This more than anything
else contributed to the decline (I think).
Sambit Basu
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> writes:
>Achcha ei proshonge jigyesh kori: SHilajit shunechchen keu ?
>Apnader karo shona thakle kemon laglo janaben ?
95-e deshe giye shunechhilum. Zoghonyo.
Sambit
Soumitra Bose
NILABJA MUKHERJEE wrote:
>
> Kishore Kumar-er sangey bakider kono tulona hoy na,tulona kara uchhit noy
> ote Kishore Kumar-er gaan ke apaman kara hobe | Suman gayak hisabe satyi
> khoob bhalo kintu Nachiketa ? gaaner madhey shuorer bachha uchcharan
> korley ki jiban mukhi gaayak hoya jay ?
>
> NXM...@RIT.EDU.
>
> On Thu, 15 May 1997, Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> > Sambit Basu wrote:
> > >
> > > Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> > >
> > > >...Hindi gan Kishore kumar ,Kumar
> > > >Panu ekhon NAchiketa,Suman ke jaiga kore dite bahyo hoiechilo .
> > >
> > > Kishore Kumar-er gaan jodi Suman ba Nachiketa-ke jayga
> > > chheDe dite badhyo-o hoto, biplob-er ki hoto janina,
> > > gaan-er barota beje jeto.
> > >
> >
> > leeeh pocha!
> >
> > Srabani
> >
bodole rag ta ke ki bole prokash korbe "boraho chuDamoni" kimba " Shukar
nandon " ???? Ajker juge ei dhoroner ChNutmargo niye cholte hobe??
Othocho jeta pelam na ta hochhe Nachiketar Lyric er upojogita ba
jugojontronar obhibyakti sommondh kono montobbo , ba tr shurer mishron o
experimentation niye kono kotha . Bangla gane etodin Omukbabur lekha
Toshuk babur sur ar Domukdadar gola ar Hojukjhethar music direction
cholchilo, ei dhastamor bodole ekta wholistic shilpi r je style eNra
enechhen m seta ki obhinobo noi????
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose wrote:
> >
> > e beroi . Suman Nocciketa ekhon ghattir bajar e tobe kal aro notun jkeu
> > ele seta abar Hindi cinema chariye jete pare , ontoto ekta shomoie Suman
> > nachiketa gechhilo.
>
> upobhog korar byaparta amar ashena. Hindi gaan jodi bhalo hoi (ebong
> goto kuri bochhor-er itihash-e ja shotti) amar ta shuntey bindumatro
> apotti nei. Ontoto Suman ba Nachiketa-ke chheRe Kishore Kumar shuntey to
> shonge guru Suman-er kotha uthley tNar bohu bhokto-ke teley-beguney hoye
> uthtey dekhechhi (oboshyoi er khanikta shongotobhbaey, IMO)..aykhon
> gurukei Nachiketar shonge juRi bNadhtey hochhe "market" rakhar jonye.
>
> Anondo"bajaari" biplob shompurno korlen. Jio guru!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Arnab.
Gaaner dhara jokhon ekii , style ta o jokhon ekii , tokhon eksongye
ekmonche dNaranoi to sorboshreyo byapar , tai noi ki????
Soumitra Bose
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose (soum...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : Arnab Gupta wrote:
> : >
> : > Soumitra Bose wrote:
> : > ..[deleted]..
> : >
> : > >> Kichhu homRa-chomRa experienced lok eshe raBri'ke rabRi ar
> : > >> nardoma'ke nardoma bole certify kore diye public'r ruchi toiri
> : > >> korben, e'i elitist stand'ti tomar bishesh artho-shamajik bodh o
> : > >
> : > >Panu ekhon NAchiketa,Suman ke jaiga kore dite bahyo hoiechilo .
> : > Kobey ? Kothai ?
> : >
> : > Manush
> : > >Rabri ke Rabri bolei chene , KAlomegher jolke Rabri bole na .
> : > >
> : >
> : > Exactly! Soumitrababu ki khoj korechhen Kolkatai kar cassette
> : > beshi bikri hoi ? Kishore Kumar na Suman-Nachiketa'r ? Kono
> : > statistics thhakley janaben. Byektigoto obhigyotai janai,
> : > pNochanobboi-e desh chhaDar shomoi Suman-er jetuku `popularity'
> : > dekhechhilam tar shotangsho-o oboshishto achhe kina sheta deR
> : > bochhor por Kolkatai giye ter pelam na. Ektu bhebe dekhben please
> : > lokey rabri kheyeo kyano abar kalmegher jol khetey phirey jai.
> : >
> : > Arnab.
>
> : e beroi . Suman Nocciketa ekhon ghattir bajar e tobe kal aro notun jkeu
> : ele seta abar Hindi cinema chariye jete pare , ontoto ekta shomoie Suman
> : nachiketa gechhilo.
>
> pete'i pare. Kintu ekta decade jete na jetei ta jodi bohu purono
> Hindi gaan'ke abar bajar chheRe dei, perhaps ta market preferences
> sammondhe kichhu ekta bole Soumitra. Kalmegh'r jol'r notun edition
> lage na, Guljar-R.D.Burman'r bohu purono shob composition notun
> CD'te hoi hoi kore bikri hochchhe. Kintu rabRi'r notun edition
> lagchhe, eta kyano? Bajare raBri chollo na bole ki? Lok'e ki chay,
> she byapare ar kato chokh buje thakbe mama?
>
> Apratim.
Purono diner gaan byaparta ekta sundar sukumar shreyo fad . NAchiketa
Suman ekhono serokom purono hoi ni , ebar boi melai hero chilen Protul da
, Lok sangeet onek popular hochhye o hoyeche , ebar shobcheye beshi naki
bikri hoichhe SWarnojuger gaaner birat ek series. Se gulo bangla gaanito
bote , Hindi gan to du bochor chole , kichu gan chara , serokom bangla
ganor tin char bochor chole , kichu gan chara je gulo kalottirno hoi,
kinut notun shilpi ra ashe , ebar protul da r utthan serokomi byapar .
Gaaner dharata ek . parthokko kothai , er modhyye diye Hindi gaaner Dum
ba Snehobhandar dolanor mahatyo ki sobishheshh beshi prokashito
hocchye???
Sambit Basu
Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
> Achchah, Kishore ki nije kokhono gan likhechchen ba shur diyechchen ? Ei
> tothyo keu janale bhalo hoy.
Kishore oshadharon kichhu shur korechhen. Hindi-te
"Aa chal ke tujhe", "Main hooN jhumrooo" khub popular.
"Koi hamdam na raha"-r sur-ta-o phataphati.
Bangla-y nijer gaan chhada-o Lata-r "Bhalobashar aagun
jwele" aar "Ki likhi tomay" Kishore-er sur deowa. Prothom-tar
sur-ta, IMO, Kishore-er one of the best.
Nijer gaowa "Noyono shoroshi kano" ba "Amar deep-nebhano
raat" Kishore-er-i sur.
Hindi-te gaan likhechhen, bangla-y likhechhen bole shunini.
Sambit
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Suman-er pocchonder proti sroddha-ta komey gyalo hey..
>
Amar kintu besh koyekti gaan bhaloi laage Nachiketar.
(Er porer ongshotukur shobkichchur aage Net-er nyakamo IMHO dhore niye
poRte hobe)
Ebarer ekti notun cassettee "Chol Jabo Toke Niye" te koyekti durdanto
gan aachche Nachiketar. Koyekti lokogeeti-r shure kora. Gola ebong
uchcharoN-e truti nei.
Onyo ekti chomothkar cassette-e lokogeeti geyechchen Indranil: "Dariyay
Ailo Tufaan". Taate kintu uchcharoNguli boRoi 'Calcatian'. Kintu eNr
gola bhari mishti.
Shoumyo.
sayan bhattacharyya
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Suman-er Nachiketa-r gaan bhalo laage? mairi? e baba! Nachiketa-r gaan
>shonar chaite Nachiketa-r posting poDa-o bhalo, IMO.
apnar bhalo lage na, lage na | chuke gelo | kintu bhalo na laga-Ta-ke
chhader theke chitkar kore sokol-ke janabar apnar dorkar ki poRechhe
seTa bujhlam na |
amar-o onek jinish bhalo lage na | jemon dhorun, somoresh mojumdar-er
lekha amar bhalo lage na | kintu tai bole samaresh mojumdar-ke
bolte jai na "ore eto kharap likhis keno re" ! amar bhalo lage na, ami
poRi na | nachiketa-ke apnar koto-Ta kharap lage seTa jahir kore bolar
modhye sarthokota ki eTa bujhlam na | criticism sobsomoy-ei sukhopaTHyo,
kintu "ore omuk-ke amar eto-o-o kharap lage" ei dhoroner lekha poRe aajkal
hai oThe |
oboshyo-i apnar bak-swadhinota aachhe ebong ja khushi tai likhben, kintu
apnar ryajaTe montobyo-Ti-ke thuRe deoar bakswadhinota-o amar ekTu aachhe,
seTi proyog korlam |
Now, back to the regularly scheduled programming.
sayan bhattacharyya
Srabani Banerjee <BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>hai othe, othe| chuke gelo |...
>amar du-line-er uttor-e nijer hai otha janate ek pata? khub raag
>korechhen Sayan?
Suman ba Nachiketa-ke keu (ohetuk) ninde korle ami besh rege jai
ekotha-Ta THik :-)
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
..[deleted]..
Nachiketar dosher modhye shoja kotha shoja kore bola .Suorer bachha r
> bodole rag ta ke ki bole prokash korbe "boraho chuDamoni" kimba " Shukar
> nandon " ???? Ajker juge ei dhoroner ChNutmargo niye cholte hobe??
Apnakey choltey ke baron korechhe ? Tobey onyer choltey bNadha
thhakteo paare hoito. Amar nei, janiye rakhlum. Tobey shey karoney
Nachiketa -r gaan shonar moto paap kortey parbo na mairi!
> Othocho jeta pelam na ta hochhe Nachiketar Lyric er upojogita ba
> jugojontronar obhibyakti sommondh kono montobbo , ba tr shurer mishron o
> experimentation niye kono kotha .
hok kotha! Apnii borong shuru korun. O paap-er bhagidaar
shobaikey (ontoto amakey) na korai bhalo.
Bangla gane etodin Omukbabur lekha
> Toshuk babur sur ar Domukdadar gola ar Hojukjhethar music direction
> cholchilo, ei dhastamor bodole ekta wholistic shilpi r je style eNra
> enechhen m seta ki obhinobo noi????
Ta ja bolechhen! Shob miliye bohumukhi nimno-majhari protibhar aykta
jomati jogojhompo na lagaley obhinobo kichhui kora jai ki ? Ta apnaar
sub-altern'der gaan-er itihaash ki boley e byaparey ?
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> E abar Pap punyo anchhe , ei shob paap-socheton lokeder mone hoi besh
> boro lexicon mene cholte hoi....
>
Ta choltey hoi hoito. Shobaito srenichoritrer scale pocket-e gNuje
ghurey byaranota afford kortey paare na.
> Kobita o Ganke ak jaigai
Ke kobita lekhe ? Nachiketa ? O.
...[deleted]..
Arnab.
Apratim Sarkar
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
Doesn't make sense. While the market sizes were indeed smaller for
Bengali movies, the production cost was also lower in Tollywood
than in Bollyoowd - there was a magnitude of difference in actors'
compensations, for example. In any case, the movie industry is
not like the s/w industry for example, and the law of increasing
returns does not apply, distribution costs add up pretty fast.
Finally, the market size was _not_ sufficiently smaller in the
beginning of the 60's (when Bengali movies were still very popular)
for the issue of high-vs-low-volume production to be meaningful. At
best it was a fight between high-and-higher volume production,
which happens in the business world every day and as long as the
relatively lower volume production organization continues to enjoy
customer loyalty it continues to be in good shape.
Bengali movies simply lost their audience to Hindi movies. After
that whatever Sayan said above started to become true. But that was
the effect, not the cause, as Sayan would have us believe, thus
conveniently side-tracking the issue of why Bengali movies lost
their audience to start with.
Apratim.
sayan bhattacharyya
Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>>
>> Ke kobita lekhe ? Nachiketa ? O.
>>
Yes, I am intrigued too. Arnab, please state your definition. Then
please explain why Nachiketa's lyrics are not-poetry according to
your definition.
Samir
MPs to protest DD move on Bengali slot
The Telegraph, 16 May 1997
Senior West Bengal MPs, led by Mr Somnath Chatterjee and Mr Rupchand pal of
the CPI(M), and Bengali filmstars Prasenjit and Tapas Pal will meet the
information and broadcasting minister, Mr S. Jaipal Reddy, tomorrow to
protest Doordarshan's decision to stop late-morning Bengali-language
programming.
Doordarshan stopped the one-hour Bengali language slot on DD1 on Monday and
is likely to move the slot to 4 pm. More importantly, it is planning to
show Hindi programmes dubbed in Bengali during the hour.
This has stirred a hornet's nest in Tollygunge since it means fewer
programmes will be produced in Bengal, bringing less work to the
already-depressed industry. Leading entertainment personalities have
organised protest meetings in Calcutta. "Are Bengali programmes so inferior
that Hindi ones have to be dubbed to fill the slot," asked one MP.
Arnab Gupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta wrote:
> >
> > Soumitra Bose wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > E abar Pap punyo anchhe , ei shob paap-socheton lokeder mone hoi besh
> > > boro lexicon mene cholte hoi....
> > >
> >
> > Ta choltey hoi hoito. Shobaito srenichoritrer scale pocket-e gNuje
> > ghurey byaranota afford kortey paare na.
>
> shanti moto gaNJa khete dewote te ato apotti keno , se to kauke akhono
> harikathi korche na ...take ba bhabotarini ke jury te niye asha keno ,
> tao jokhon tokhon ....
Eta ki horokorokomba gochher kichhu ?
> >
> > > Kobita o Ganke ak jaigai
> >
> > Ke kobita lekhe ? Nachiketa ? O.
> >
> > ...[deleted]..
> >
> > Arnab.
>
> to O gulo ke kobita bola jabe na ????BTW kobita r songya ki shuni ...
Albaat jabey! Apni bollei jabey. Ami oboshyo ontye mil ola chutki
bhebechhilam.
Kobitar shongya amar jana nei, bhasha bhasha aykta dharona achhe matro,
ja lekhar moto khomota nei. Ontye melaley jodi kobita toiri hoi taholey
Nachiketar "kobita" nishchoi kobita, tobey baaje kobita. IMO.
Arnab.
para...@austx.tandem.com
In article <5lfss5$9...@er6.rutgers.edu>,
sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) wrote:
>
> Kishore oshadharon kichhu shur korechhen. Hindi-te
> "Aa chal ke tujhe", "Main hooN jhumrooo" khub popular.
> "Koi hamdam na raha"-r sur-ta-o phataphati.
>
"Aa chal ke tujhe"-r lyricist-o Kishore.
- Paramita
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> : >
> : > Soumitra likhechhe:
> : >
> : > > Mul bhab tar modhye ekta inocuous apato-sarolyo r chNowa thakelo ,
> : > > byaparta ektu bhebe dekhle mondo hoi na . Public ke nordoma dile se
> : > > nordoma khabe jotkhon na onno kichu dewoa jai , public ke rabri dile,
> : > > tNara Nordoma GNHatbe na ,
> : >
> : > Shah Rukh Khan'r notun cinema'r ticket je dusho taka'te black hoy,
> : > lok'e je Nandan'e giye Subarnarekha dyakhe na, eta explain karo ki
> : > kore Soumitra?
> : >
> : > [Amar personal preference anyjayi ager statement'ti korlam, dharona
> : > Soumitra'r shange ta mile jabe, absolute statement na
> : > bhalo-kharap'r byapare.]
>
> : Er uttor to diyechii bohubar , ekta shomoie to banglar chelepelera hindi
> : cinemar gaan chara kichu shunto na , tarpor to saraswati pujoi Suman
> : NAchiketa chare , poriborton hoi na , ta to na , Oi sei rabri dile ,
> : rabri khabe , na hole nordoma KHNujbe , vacuam to thake na ,
>
> Soumitra tomar kono idea nei Hindi gaan'r bikri ar Suman-Nachi'r
> gaan'r bikri - er relative scale nei. Ka bacchor deshe jao ni?
>
> : Tobe bangla boi bhaloo besh hochhye , tar udahorono diyechhi , segulo
> : besh bhir hoi, onadi ononto kal dhore to ar loke Subornorekha dekhbe na ,
> : ekta shomoie dekhto , ekhon seta tirish bochor hoie gechhe .Ar
>
> Fine. To contemporary director'der kotha'i dhora jaak?
>
> : advertisement er kotha bolchhe, ad agency te gele dekhbe ad hoi muloto
> : prime time er opore , jodi kono bangla program na hoi prime time e
> : company gulo ad niye dim parar jonne boshe thakbe na , tara prime time
> : chai , ebar ami prime time e bangla hotiye hindi rakhlam , company gulo
> : diyei jabe .
Dekho Apra , Amar kono idea thakar kono proyojon nei , Kono jinish ke
dekhar byaparta age ekta standpoint theke thik hoi. Tumi dekhcho
BIKASHOTO SOTTO ke , amar mote orokom kore bastob ke dekhle pessimist
howa chara kono gottyontor nei , AMi dekhi BIKOSHITO SOTTO KE , ajke
choto holeo tar rate of development ta ki , setai amar kache onek beshi
gurutwopurno bikoshito sotto . Hindi ganer to sara bharoter bajar achhe ,
hini ganer to sostar mike bhara r dokan gulor kache bine poishar
cassetter bajar o achhe , eta bojho to je jokhon saraswati ba kali pujote
mike bhara nite hoi tokhon kichu free cassette powa jai , onek shomoie
(beshir bhag kota erokom freebies powa gelo ar ki ki powa gelo tar dwara
nirdharito hoi kar mal bikbe , meropatti, railpotti ar beshyabajar e to
ar suman nochikota cholbe na okhane kumar banu chai , oi bajarguloto
suman NAchiketa kokhono pabe na , Bus gumti r pujoi jekhane
ratrijagoroner khoroch purjor khorocher theke beshi bole sogorbe prokash
hoi , sekhane to kumar panu ba Kishor chara cholbe na , devil lies in the
detail, bhango onek bad jabe , dekho panch bochor age koto hindi record
bikri hoto compared to bangla record ar ekhon koto hoi . Etai BIKOSHITO
SOTTO.
>
> Chamatkar cause-effect guliye dile! Ami kintu poRechhilam prime
> time'e Bangla program rakhle (eddin rakha hoto) ad company'gulo'r
> poisa othe na, tai tara change chaichhe.
>
pRIME TIME e bangla program rakhle loke office theke eshe , bachader
homework sere easy-chair e boshe ki BHAJAN shunbe ?????? Idiot boxer
jonmo ar lallu panju sukhi-grihokon-sobhe-cell-phone marka flat-bostui re
thaka durbol bangalee modhyobittor ki ar kono kaj ache TV dekha chara ,
tara to ar uponyash poren na ekhon , adda o bondho kore diyechen (otate
naki jothesto saheb thaka jai na ) Tokhon ja dei tai khai ...
> : FM radio durdaanto popular hoiechhye , Radio abar phire
> : eshechhe , BAngla channel o ad er jonne popular hoichhe , egulo ajkal
> : Bhaskar ghosh er moto nobyo-hindustani-bangaleera bhaloi govern korte
> : shikhechhe, ekjon Bongojoke diye banglar baNSh dewao r moto kaj Bharot
> : sarkar 47 theke kore ashchhe.eta notun kichu noi .
>
> FM radio'r byapar'ta bhalo jani na, tomar lekha poRe'o kichhu
> bujhlam na. Sentence complete karo na kyano thik kore? Shobar
> shomoy nashto.
Ete ar notun kore ar complete korar ki achhe , FM radio notun kore
bangalee ke bangla program e agrohannito koreche .??? Achha tomake
jiggesh kori , tumi ki ekhono school er bangla shiskhok er style "kobi
bolechhen " marka bhab somprosharon er juge pore achho naki ???? Shob
kichu eto mohabharot kore bolte hobe keno??? Eta ki bojha jai ni je FM
radio ekta similar form of media jeta r etodin pore popularity barar
ekmatro karon hochhye je manush bangla program grohonjogyo hole seta
jotoi serious hoi tate abar akorshito hoi,talk show popular hochhye ,etao
bhalo lokhon , ei kothatar sajujyo ki aro bhenge bolte hobe , mairi er
por to shob kothai rochona likhte bolbe , made easy gulo pray bish bochor
er opore dekhi ni , oi style tao bhule gechi "with reference to the
context " bakhya oi HS er banglai korechilam , tar pore ar konodin
sphriha hoi ni . Banglar teacher ra bolten je emon bhabe likhte hobe jeno
porikshok ekta gandu , take dudghoposhyo bhebe sobishesh bakhya kore
likhte hobe ....
>
> Sutorang sheta'r opor shob concentration diye sarkari protection
> chaowa hok. Popularity kyano komlo sheta ignore kara hok. Ami mone
> kori na Dilli'r kono say thaka uchit DD'te ki dyakhano hobe tar
> opor, kintu Mahakaran'r kono say thaka'ta'r'o mane dekhi na. Kore
> dao private, tarpor dyakho lok'e ki dekhay. Tara to simply poisa
> korte program korbe, Hindi-Bangla kono prem thekei noy. takhon ki
> hobe bole tomar dharona?
Delhi r ulto Mohakoron noi, ke eshob kotha bole private kore dile kumar
panu chara kichu hobe na , FM radio to sompurno onno dhara dekhiyechhe ,
ota to MArk Tully r .
>
> Cable TV'te Bold and the Beautiful'r hindi-dubbed version'r
> popularity'r kotha jano to?
Se to shunlam BAy watch magi dekhbar jonne chaprar grame mukhiya sondhye
theke eshe boshe thake , oboshyo bole "e bohua . bachowa ke tuhar ghor le
jao "
>
> : > > BAngla r shomoi komiye diye hindi r shomoi barano shudhui
> : > > market forcer whimse noi ota suchotur chenali , Bangla program jNAra
> : > > bachen , dosh ta tNAder , Bangla songsckritiro noi, ar shob dosh publicer
> : > > ghare chapiye onek otrano jai .
> : >
> : > Dosh of course tNadero achhe. Kintu at the minimum arekjon Tapan
> : > Sinha'o je ar ashchhen na, for example, sheta'ke'o puropuri avoid
> : > kora basically dishonest. Public'ke to ami kono dosh dichchhi na,
> : > kintu tumi public'r preference'ta ignore korar chesta
> : > korchho. Shetao dishonesty, IMHO.
> : >
>
> : Public preferencer byapare to boleichi , ota kichu fetish noi , ota gore
> : tulte hoi,
>
> Ayato sub-altern, sub-altern karo, sub-altern'r nijer byaboshtha
> nije korate ekdom bishwas rakhte paro na, tai na? Achchha Soumitra,
> sub-altern ki ghashe mukh diye chole?
Jeta jano na seta niye balbhashitom koro keno ?????
sub-altern nijer byobostha nije kore nei mane ??? e shob balarko tomai ke
bole??? Hain ??? sub-altern bay-watch pochondo kore ar lok songeet kore
na , elite ra Lalon fakir shone ar sub-altern Puja bhater poyodh dekhbar
jonne pagol hoi , byaparta eto sohoj ar eto cut and dry eshob dum kore
bole diyecho , abar o ottonto rurho bahabe proshno kori ,,, bangalee
sub-altern pratokriyar shomoi ki gan gungun kore konodini jante parbe na
sei lok je khoger kathi ar garu niye mathe kriya share ni konodino???
>
> : ta besh kichu din gorte parchhi na bole shonagachi dekhabo eta
> : ki jukti .
>
> Kyano, sub-altern bujheshune refuse korbe na shonagachhi dile?
Sub-altern jemon gandu noi abar iswar o noi, ami dirghodin shonagachi
chara kichui debo na , sub-altern ki chilekothar korikath gunbe boshe
boshe ????
>
> : Ekhon parai parai classical songeet sommelon hocchey , eta
> : amar kache Rashid-effect bole mone hoi , jemopn banglai ek shomoie Suman
> : effect chilo , jai hok Classical songeet jodi besh bahlo rokom popular
> : hote pare tobei bojha jai je sryeo jinisho preyo hote pare ...setai amar
> : boktobyo.
>
> Besh bhalo rakom popular'r ekta numeric hisheb debe? Hindi gaan'r
> popularity'r shonge compare korte shubidhe hobe.
Abar bolchi numeric hisheb hochhe pessimist dristibhongi , bikashoman
sottyi ta ki , dhoro jodi panch bochor age ekta hoto ekhon bochore ekti
kore bare , setai bikashomon(tar onek beshii hochhye ).
>
> : > > Protidin rate Shonagachi te ki hoi ,
> : > > protyek ghore giye ekta tothyochitro tulle ta bodhoi bangla sobhyotar
> : > > itihase shobchye beshi popular hobe , market force r dohai diye seta
> : > > korlei hoi tahole .
> : >
> : > Tumi ajatha utola hochchho Soumitra. Shanto hao. Bangla culture'r
> : > itihas'e prochur production achhe ja popular kintu pornography noy,
> : > ta tumiyo jano. Ekhon Shambhu Mitrer je khamota achhe ta bakider
> : > nei, tai tara either sarkari protection chaiben noito, "tobe ki
> : > amra pornography tulbo" e bole kNadben, e'i duto'i ki ekmatro
> : > option?
>
> : Pronography r kotha ami bolechi dristanto hishebe , Sarkarer ba
> : protisthaner pokshe hut kore bangla komiye dewao sombhonb kintu ektu
> : infrastructure toiri kore notun kichu shristir chesta kora sombhob na ,
> : eta ami mani na .
>
> Shob central planning kore opor theke "toiri" korte hobe, na?
>
> : MAku ra ekhon Budho Bahattacharyer moton hotat bar
> : kheye majhe majhe bhalo kichu kaj kore pheleche. Somproti Bangla ganer
> : mela korechilo , daarun populara hoiechhe,GAndu Subhas Chakroborti ,
> : Sridevir dum duliye popular hote cheyechilo ekhon bajar otota hille dilo
> : na bole Zakir HUssain ke niye institute gore tulchhe , edike
> : Shrutinodndorn hocchhye ,e gulor popularityr to obhah dekhi na , egulo
> : hochhye ki kore , ekhon Monisha Koirala ke ante hoi na , ontoto Mithun ke
> : Dhuti porate hoi ba take Loksongeeter Bishwa sommelon korte hoi , etai
> : kintu songskritir falgudharata dekhiye dei ..etai shreyo eta preyo o
> : hoiee jachhe .
>
> Ami ekdom khei hariye felechhi, keu bujhe thakle amake ektu bujhiye
> deben?
>
> : > > Shob kichu market fetishism diye hoi na , market
> : > > kintu dhup kore opor theke jhore pore na , ba swambhu noi, seta keu na
> : > > keu kothao na kothao kono na kono porkriyai gore tole .
> : >
> : > Marketting to achhei. Kintu public'r ekanto apachhonder jinish
> : > shudhu marketting'e bikoy na. Ekta basic aceptance je achhe,
> : > sheta'ke "shudhu marketting" bole uRiye deowa'ta ... well, khubi
> : > subidhejanak.
>
> : ekanto opochondo r kotha to ami dekhai ni , Ekhon loke poisha diye
> : Akhtari bai kene ,iffat ara kene ,nilufar Yasmin kene , kintu ar keuii
> : Juthika Roy kene na . Pochhondo ke oshwikar ki amar lekhate peyechho ,
> : ami bolchi , pochhondosoi othocho sukumar bishoi guloke marketing korata
> : bibechyo bishoi.
>
> Kumar Shanu'o kene. Aro besh kene. Onek beshi. Sukumar'r
> certificate tumi nijei debe na tomar secretary? Ar ki bibechyo ki
> noy, etar'i ba ke debe? Sub-altern'r bibechana'r opor tomar astha
> dekhe buk bhore jai Soumitra.
Eta sottyi, ami ektake sukumar boli , onno ar ekjon arekti ke bole ,
karon shobdo ti subjective , kintu ami jetake sukumar boli , seta jodi
uttorottor barte thake tobe bolte hobe ami jetake sukumar boli setake
onekei sukumar bolte shuru korechhe . Ete abar certificate ashchhe kota
theke . Tumi dekhi Ashok Mitro r thekeo ba trotskyite der thekeo beshi
instritutional , institutional certification byapartao mathai ashatai to
ekta oporadh, shob kothai certification er juju dekhar bhoi dkeho keno ,
eta to ek dhoroner sales , ami eta ke sell korchi , kumar panu o sell
korche , ami dekhchi amar ta dhir gotite holeo barchhe i ami mone
korchii amar market barche , kumar panu mone korchhe tar ta besh bhaloi
achhe , tob kal take bhabte hobe je tar market e tan porte shuru korchhe
....
>
> : > > Proshno ta
> : > > sekhanei , ke ba kara gore tulchhe ,Maku juge gore tolar lok nei , JNAra
> : > > achhen tader pacha mota hoie giye mathai chepe bosehche (JU te oNder
> : > > ekmatro tattik poran ). Sei dosh byapok bangallee ke soite hobe , tar
> : > > chaite borong erokom andolon koreo jodi kichuta sombit phire ashe ,setai
> : > > shreyo ...
> : >
> : > Kichhu homRa-chomRa experienced lok eshe raBri'ke rabRi ar
> : > nardoma'ke nardoma bole certify kore diye public'r ruchi toiri
> : > korben, e'i elitist stand'ti tomar bishesh artho-shamajik bodh o
>
> : Rabri ar nordomar certification lagena , Hindi gan Kishore kumar ,Kumar
> : Panu ekhon NAchiketa,Suman ke jaiga kore dite bahyo hoiechilo . Manush
> : Rabri ke Rabri bolei chene , KAlomegher jolke Rabri bole na .
>
> : > sub-altern'premi chetona'r shonge kibhabe adjust koriye nichchho
> : > Soumitra? Paro mairi!
>
> : Kon horidas tomai bolechhe je sub-altern ta Nordoma pochondo kore??? Tumi
> : ki jano na loksongeeter recent popularity jeta sub-altern dheu er ekta
> : protifol seta ekhon elite der bhashachhe??? Sub-altern Nirmolendu
> : ,Hemango r gola byobohar kore nijeder ostityo dekhiyechilo, Sub =-altern
> : chirojibonii shresto-sondourjyo ke shristi korechhe , konodini take
> : Nordoma dite hoi ni , ....Sub-altern culture shonagachir culture noi,
> : seta decadent feudal der culture .
>
> Dyakho Soumitra kotha ghuriyo na. Tomar o'i sub-altern rate'e Kumar
> Shanu'o shone o Madhuri'r cinema niye'o laphalaphi kore. Ami tomake
> ekta atraight proshno korchhi, kotha na ghuriye uttor'ta debe? Sub-
> altern ki ghashe mukh diye chole? Tomar moto sub-altern premi to hNyan
> boltei pare na, ar na jodi hoy, tobe sub-altern'r e'i conscious
> choice'ta accept korte tomar eto problem hochchhe kyano? Tomar
> sukumar bibechana'r shonge tar mil pachchho na bole? Tai ki kichhu
> "toiri" kora'r kotha bolchho, opor theke preference cultivate
> kora'r kotha?
>
> Rakte rakte elitism, bhek dhorlei holo!?
Nishchoi shone , noschoi shube , tobe tara lok songeeto onek beshi
matratei shone , Matla nodite bhati r shomoi majhi ra kolkata radio te
kichu na pele khulna radio te Farida Parveen er lalon geeti shone , ekhon
se radiogulo hindi gan charai eNra muloto sirf Bhajano shone ba bhanga
golai ektar diye bhatiyali gaowar chesta kore . Sub-altern kintu
Rail-bosti r ba khidderporer lokii shudhu noi , tara shudhu ekta onghsho
, choto ongsho .....reality r name pessimism ekta feudal-eltist er
atmoroti marka fad ...
>
> Apratim.
>
>
>
>
Soumitra Bose
oto KNacha ajkal class 7 er chelepelo kore na ...
sayan bhattacharyya
>Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>> kori na Dilli'r kono say thaka uchit DD'te ki dyakhano hobe tar
>> opor, kintu Mahakaran'r kono say thaka'ta'r'o mane dekhi na. Kore
>> dao private, tarpor dyakho lok'e ki dekhay. Tara to simply poisa
>> korte program korbe, Hindi-Bangla kono prem thekei noy. takhon ki
>> hobe bole tomar dharona?
Another possible model is the model in which the BBC is run. BBC is
autonomous (not under government control), but is funded by taxpayers'
money. Decisions are taken by an independent board of directors who
are appointed by the government but do not have to obey the dictates of
the government in day-to-day functioning.
In many ways, I think this is the best model for the present circumstances.
The problem with running it as a private corporation is that programming
content will then be determined according to the taste of people who have
more money, as advertisers will naturally want programming to attract those
consumers who have the money to spend on products they advertise. The taste
of people who do not have money will then be ignored. I don't think that is
a desirable state of affairs.
The problem with running it as a government-owned and government-operated
system is obvious : media then becomes a mouthpiece of the ruling party.
These are the reasons why I think that the BBC model is the best model.
My understanding was that the Prasar Bharati Bill was aiming at something
like this for TV and radio. Does anyone know what happened to it?
sayan bhattacharyya
Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> said to Apratim:
>Tumi dekhi Ashok Mitro r thekeo ba trotskyite der thekeo beshi
>instritutional ,
Soumitro,
eTa kichhu bujhlam na; hoTHat trotskyist-der institutional bolchho
keno? Stalinist-ra-i borong chirokal statist ebong institutionalist
position niye esechhe -- Trotskyist-ra (ebong 4th International) borabor
principled stand niyechhe bole-i amar dharona |
tachhaRa poschimbonge totha bharotborshe serokom trotskyist formation
ekhon kothay je institutional hobar kotha uTHchhe? Institution-i
jodi na thake tahole institutional opobad aaschhe kotha theke?
kolkata-y ekmatro Kunal Chattopadhyay-er ICS chhaRa aar kono
trotskyist group-er ki ostitwo adow aachhe? ebong ICS-o
organizationally khub strong bole mone hoy na -- kajei
"institutionalism"-er doshe trotskyist-der doshi sabyosto korar kono jukti
nei bole-i amar monet hoy |
Apratim Sarkar
Haa...haa...haa!!
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> said to Apratim:
: >Tumi dekhi Ashok Mitro r thekeo ba trotskyite der thekeo beshi
: >instritutional ,
: Soumitro,
Apratim Sarkar
Soumitra likhechhe:
: Purono diner gaan byaparta ekta sundar sukumar shreyo fad . NAchiketa
: Suman ekhono serokom purono hoi ni , ebar boi melai hero chilen Protul da
: , Lok sangeet onek popular hochhye o hoyeche , ebar shobcheye beshi naki
: bikri hoichhe SWarnojuger gaaner birat ek series. Se gulo bangla gaanito
: bote , Hindi gan to du bochor chole , kichu gan chara , serokom bangla
: ganor tin char bochor chole , kichu gan chara je gulo kalottirno hoi,
: kinut notun shilpi ra ashe , ebar protul da r utthan serokomi byapar .
: Gaaner dharata ek . parthokko kothai , er modhyye diye Hindi gaaner Dum
: ba Snehobhandar dolanor mahatyo ki sobishheshh beshi prokashito
: hocchye???
Soumitra,
Faltu jhogRa kore labh nei, chalo amra Kolkata'r average cassette'r
dokan'e ekta survey kori konta beshi bikri hochchhe ta niye?
Ar ami Hindi gan'r soukumarjo niye kichhu bolchhilam na, popularity
niye bolchhilam. Sutorang kotha ghuriyo na.
Apratim.
sn...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
In article <337B7F...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu wrote:
>
> Achcha ei proshonge jigyesh kori: SHilajit shunechchen keu ? Ebar
Bhalo legeche| Onar ekta casette gotobochor amar hate
aashey| Tar modhye "Hansha Bolaka" aar "tumi chile"
eiy duti gaan khub bhalo legechilo|
Palligeeti style-e gawaa "jhumur gayen"
tao bhalo hoeche|
> Apnader karo shona thakle kemon laglo janaben ?
>
> SHoumyo.
sayan bhattacharyya
>: Jodi advertisement-er poisa (jeta number of viewer-er
>: shonge directly related) akmatro maapkaathi hoy,
>: kono regional language hindi-r shonge kono slot-ei
>: palla dite paarbena sheer population-er jonne.
Agreed. Further, I think we should also distinguish between "intrinsic
popularity" and "advertisement-induced popularity". It must be remembered
that Suman and Nachiketa had no institutional backing. The major mass media
were in fact hostile to them and the newspaper establishment opposed them
right from the start. No glossy magazines extolled their virtues as they
routinely do for the filmi playback singers.
In short, Suman (and others who followed their success) achieved their
popularity _in spite of_ the Establishment, whereas the filmi playback
singers they are being compared with, achieved their popularity fully
aided by the Establishment.
If you take as an index "ratio of popularity to money spent on promotion".
Suman and Nachiketa far outstrip the filmi playback singers. (In the same
way that Ralph Nader was the real victor in last year's presidential
election (his ratio of votes to campaign money spent was orders of magnitude
higher than that of Bush or Clinton).
Soumitra Bose
Arnab Gupta
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> >: Jodi advertisement-er poisa (jeta number of viewer-er
> >: shonge directly related) akmatro maapkaathi hoy,
> >: kono regional language hindi-r shonge kono slot-ei
> >: palla dite paarbena sheer population-er jonne.
>
> Agreed. Further, I think we should also distinguish between "intrinsic
> popularity" and "advertisement-induced popularity". It must be remembered
> that Suman and Nachiketa had no institutional backing. The major mass media
> were in fact hostile to them and the newspaper establishment opposed them
> right from the start. No glossy magazines extolled their virtues as they
> routinely do for the filmi playback singers.
>
Amar nijer obhigyota kintu aykdom onyo kotha boley. Suman prochur
coverage peyechhen "glossy" magazine-gulor thheke including
Anandabajaar. Tomar ki egulo chokh eriye gyachhe Sayan ? Tumi
tokhon deshey chhiley kina janina, tobey Kanoria-r andolon-er
shomoi dharabahik bhabey Telegraph-e chhobi-shoho positive
coverage hoyechhilo (Suman-er). Kichhukal ageo Sananda-tey
dharabahik bhabey Suman-er lekha beriyechhe. Aajkaal thheke
Suman-er besh koti boi chhapa hoyechhe. Apatoto desh thheke anano
shombhob noi, tobey net-e paoa Sudipto Chatterjee-r lekha thheke
udhriti dichhi:
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Tomake Căi (Want You), his first solo album, was released by HMV (His
MastersU Voice) in 1992. It was an instant hit. Suman's number of stage
concerts grew exponentially. Journalists were suddenly running after
him. Business Standard, an English daily from Calcutta, cried in an
elated headline as early as 1991: "The City Finds Its Chansonnier."
Loud speakers in neighborhood social gatherings played his songs in
loops. T-shirts, carrying lines from his songs, were up for sale. Songs
excerpts were cited like proverbs. Suman's second and third albums did
not belie the expectations of the first and he continued to top
popularity charts. Very soon Suman had bagged a Golden Disc for record
sales figures.
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Ki mone hochhe ? Major mass media ebong establishment puropuri
eNder biruddhe chhilo ? Kyano ebong ki karoney tomar ta mone
hoi tohwo shoho janabey ?
> In short, Suman (and others who followed their success) achieved their
> popularity _in spite of_ the Establishment, whereas the filmi playback
> singers they are being compared with, achieved their popularity fully
> aided by the Establishment.
>
Baaje kotha! Suman-er prothom cassette HMV thheke, tarporey Suman-er
naam hoi (byapok-orthey). Shutorang establishment-ke dingiye Suman
shapholyo motei panni. Oboshyoi onar shapholyer mul-e chhilo oshadharon
kichhu gaan, ja bohu oshadharon hindi/bangla chhobir gayok/surokar-dero
bikhyato korar karon. Ebong protibhar dik thheke tNader koyekjoner
dharekachheo Suman ashenna, IMO. Shutorang establishment-er dohai
diye tNader shapholyo-ke Suman-er pashey chhoto korar cheshta-ta
hashyokor. Suman-er gaan-er cassette-er bikri-o je komey gyachhe etar
karon-o kono establishment noi. Sur o kothar biroktikor aykgheyemi-i
boshoi taar jonye dayi.
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>>: Jodi advertisement-er poisa (jeta number of viewer-er
>>: shonge directly related) akmatro maapkaathi hoy,
>>: kono regional language hindi-r shonge kono slot-ei
>>: palla dite paarbena sheer population-er jonne.
>Agreed. Further, I think we should also distinguish between "intrinsic
>popularity" and "advertisement-induced popularity". It must be remembered
>that Suman and Nachiketa had no institutional backing. The major mass media
>were in fact hostile to them and the newspaper establishment opposed them
>right from the start. No glossy magazines extolled their virtues as they
>routinely do for the filmi playback singers.
Tomar ei kotha-y kotha-y, udo-r moton, Suman-proshongo
tene ana, tomar biplobi-kNaduni-r theke-o irritating.
Tar opor hoy dhop maarcho, noile na jene chNyachachchho.
"...the newspaper etablishment opposed them right from
the start" bole dile-i holo, na? Suman-er prothom cassette
berono-r aage, "Desh" potrika-y Suman-er gaan-er jolsha-r
somalochona-y bola hoyechhilo, "Salil Chowdhury-r pore,
bangla gaane Suman-er agomon, sombhoboto shobcheye
boDo ghotona..." (ba ei dhoroner kichhu). Aajkaal aar
Desh-e prokashito duti stuti-bakyo to prothom cassette-er
cover-ei aachhe.
Erokom aaro udahoron dite paari, tobe Suman-er byapar-e
tomake data diye jukti-r kotha shonano to bondhyagomon.
>In short, Suman (and others who followed their success) achieved their
>popularity _in spite of_ the Establishment, whereas the filmi playback
>singers they are being compared with, achieved their popularity fully
>aided by the Establishment.
Eshob gombhir gombhir kotha je bolchho, sheta jene bolchho
naki na jene-i? (Sorry for the redundant question).
>If you take as an index "ratio of popularity to money spent on promotion".
>Suman and Nachiketa far outstrip the filmi playback singers.
Data dao. Noile publicly "The major mass media
...the newspaper establishment"-er kaachhe apology
chaowa uchit tomar, IMO.
Sambit
Kalpataru Barman
Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>
> NILABJA MUKHERJEE wrote:
> >
> > Kishore Kumar-er sangey bakider kono tulona hoy na,tulona kara uchhit noy
> > ote Kishore Kumar-er gaan ke apaman kara hobe | Suman gayak hisabe
>
> tothyo keu janale bhalo hoy.
>
> --
Bangla gaan ( jegulo money porchhey ):
1. Ei je nodi jai saagor-e....
2. Nayano sarasi keno bhorechhey joley...
3. Amar moner mayur mahal-e....
4. Chalo jai choley jai, dur bahudur....
5. Ami nei , bhabtei bathyai mon...
6. Amaar dip nevano raat...
7. Chari dike paaper adhaar, neiko kothao alo..
8. E Jeevan premer ek pata bahar kabita...
9. He pryiatama, tumi to amai...
Hindi...
Dur Gagan Ki Chaaon Mein
Aa chal ke tujhey mai lekey chalu...
Koi lauta de mere bitey huye din...
Rahi tu maat rukjana...
Jhumroo
Koi humdum naa raha....
Thandi hawoa hai chandni suhaani...
Dur K Rahi
Bekaraar dil tu jo gaye jaa..
Panchhi hu mai...
....
....
Kalpataru Barman
Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>
> Achcha ei proshonge jigyesh kori: SHilajit shunechchen keu ? Ebar
>
> Shekhane Bhumika, Prem jyano oasis, Tumi ja jinish guru, Pother
> pNachali, Bajlo Chchutir ghonta - ei gangulo amar dibyi legechche.
>
> Bikele konya-ke kole niye jore ei ganguli chaliye dolai. Sheo ajkal oi
> ganguli bajlei shorir dolay (noy mash boyoshei peke gyachche!).
>
> Apnader karo shona thakle kemon laglo janaben ?
>
> SHoumyo.
>
Apni Anjan Datta-r gaan sunechhen. Oi "Tumi naa thaakley...."
gaan tar sur-ta bhari sundar.
sayan bhattacharyya
Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Trotskyists kimba Stalinists , era shobai institutional . Institutional
>mane jara institutionke bhangar prochesta korena . Bourgois institution
>ke public institution diye replace kora ta o institutionalisation.
>Public
>institution ke people's institution diye bhanga o poroborti porjaye
>people diye ta time to time purge kora o puro byaparta participatory and
>people's flexible managaementer modhye niye asha hochyye
>non-institutionalisation.
"Public institution" aar "people's institution" -er modhye parthokyo
konkhane? "public institution" bolte ki "state institution" bojhate
chaichho?
se-kshetre amar songshoy aachhe, karon ami joto-Tuku bujhi (khub olpo-i
bijhi hoyto) tate state wither away eventually korbe kintu seTa ekebare
sesh porjaye | Transitional period-e to state thakbe-i, ebong state
thakle state-er institution gulo-o thakbe | kaje-i state-er obolupti
eventual goal hole-o, seTa-ke _immediate_ goal hisebe dekha-Ta bheeshon
premature bole mone hoy |
>
>> kolkata-y ekmatro Kunal Chattopadhyay-er ICS chhaRa aar kono
>> trotskyist group-er ki ostitwo adow aachhe? ebong ICS-o
>> organizationally khub strong bole mone hoy na -- kajei
>> "institutionalism"-er doshe trotskyist-der doshi sabyosto korar kono jukti
>> nei bole-i amar monet hoy |
>
>Kunal ekhon abar ekta I lagate perechhe , erpor mairi ekti parar panch
>jonke niye shuru korlei All India level hoye jabe ...
>Jara self-sacrifice take bhoi pai , jara swapno dekhate pare na , prochur
>boi pore ar bideshi magazine bitoron korle ontooto bharotborshe songothon
>hoi na .
ami kunal-babu-r sombondhe bishesh kichhu jani na, kintu amar dharona
chhilo je onar ICS, trade union front-e kichhu kichhu kaj kore thake |
aar bortomane ontoto poschimbonge "self-sacrifice" korchhe kara aar
"swopno dekhachhe"-i ba kara?
amar majhe majhe tomar lekha poRe monet hoy je tumi sob kichhu jeno
boDDo beshi romanticize kore phelo | "swopno-dekhane-wala"-der chaite
hard-headed realist-der amar onek beshi pochhondo |
sayan bhattacharyya
Arnab Gupta <GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>Ki mone hochhe ? Major mass media ebong establishment puropuri
>eNder biruddhe chhilo ? Kyano ebong ki karoney tomar ta mone
>hoi tohwo shoho janabey ?
Anandabazar-er hostility ami nije-i dekhechhi (robibarer kagoje
puro pata dhore byangochitro somet biroop montobyo; NEGATIVE
somalochona hote-i pare tate kono apotti nei, kintu je shilpi-ke
somalochona kora hochchhe tNar byangochitro aaNka-ta suruchir
seema longhon kore bole monet hoy amar -- seTa-ke hostility chhaRa
kichhu bolte pari na |
Suman-er coverage jeTa tumi ullekh korechho seTa shuru hoyechhe
Suman nijeke protishTHito korar por -- when he became too big to
ignore.
In any case, my point was somewhat different. When a new playback
singer arrives and starts singing in the established mode, he is
not creating a new territory. He is finding his own place in an
already well-established territory which is well-covered and
well-advertised, has institutional backing by big-label recording
industries, etc. In a sense, the new arrival in an established field
can cash in on the already-established nature of the terrain. But
in Suman's case, he was doing something new -- he was starting a new
style -- which, because it was new, did not have prior institutional
support. For example: there are magazines in the film world which
regularly report and cover playback singers old and new. kintu
"jeebonmukhi gaan"-er to aar existing "jeebonmukhi magazine" chhilo
na filmi duniyar jerokom hajarTa magazine aachhe | sei kotha-Ta
bolchhilam |
Apratim Sarkar
Srabani Banerjee (BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: khub raag korechhen Sayan?
A-bhoye hoshshoi-moye aakar-dontyonna ...
Apratim.
sayan bhattacharyya
In article <5lq14o$p...@news.bu.edu>, Apratim Sarkar <asa...@cs.bu.edu> wrote:
>
> Ekbar amar post'ta theke quote kore dekhabe kothay ami one
> dollar-one vote'r kotha bolechhi? Jukti na thaklei onyer mukhe
> kotha boshate hobe?
Simple. Your solution _leads to_ one dollar-one vote. If there are
100 people each willing to spend $1 each on the product advertised
by the sponsor, and if there are 25 people willing to spend $2 each
on the product advertised by the sponsor, then the sponsor will
favor the program that corresponds to that of the first group. The
aggregate dollar decides the programming outcome. The second group
will be ignored, because it is money which is doing the talking.
But in a one-person one vote system, there will be public discussion
as each side airs its views, and this will lead to a healthier
situation because each side will be able to see the other side's
point of view and compromises will be worked out.
The individual income of the viewership is irrelevant here and is
a red herring.
> Eder kar kato poisa she kotha'i
> to uthchhe na, jodi parallely running duti program'r ekta onek
> beshi lok shone shetai'i ki public radio'te broadcast kora uchit
> noy tomar one person-one vote logic anujayi? Yes or no?
Yes, of course, other things being equal. But the other things may
not always be equal, because the viewers did not all have equal opportunity
for self-advancement and education.
> Sayan tumi ki tomar pachhond'r baire'r shob
> kichhu'ke'i kitsch bole brand kore thako, tomar mot'r shonge lok'r
> mot na millei tader uneducated bole dismiss kore dao?
Not so. For example, I don't particularly enjoy classical music, but
I don't dismiss it as kitsch.
Soumitra Bose
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Trotskyists kimba Stalinists , era shobai institutional . Institutional
> >mane jara institutionke bhangar prochesta korena . Bourgois institution
> >ke public institution diye replace kora ta o institutionalisation.
>
> >Public
> >institution ke people's institution diye bhanga o poroborti porjaye
> >people diye ta time to time purge kora o puro byaparta participatory and
> >people's flexible managaementer modhye niye asha hochyye
> >non-institutionalisation.
>
> "Public institution" aar "people's institution" -er modhye parthokyo
> konkhane? "public institution" bolte ki "state institution" bojhate
> chaichho?
Thikii dhorechho, public institution hochhe state initiated institution
jeta state laws dwara governed hoi , shudhu people er participation korar
khomota achhe , peoples' institution people's laws dwara nirdharito hoi ,
jemon krishok ponchayat hochhye public institution , kintu krishok somity
ba biplobi krishok committe peoples' institution,
>
> se-kshetre amar songshoy aachhe, karon ami joto-Tuku bujhi (khub olpo-i
> bijhi hoyto) tate state wither away eventually korbe kintu seTa ekebare
> sesh porjaye | Transitional period-e to state thakbe-i, ebong state
> thakle state-er institution gulo-o thakbe | kaje-i state-er obolupti
> eventual goal hole-o, seTa-ke _immediate_ goal hisebe dekha-Ta bheeshon
> premature bole mone hoy |
O gulo to totter utopia , wither koruk ki annihilated hok tate kichhu
palte jai na , byaparta hochhye ke kon law er opor dNariye institution ta
gore tole , ekhane kono particular ideology ba motobad der ongibuto
planer modhyye eta pore na .
>
> >
> >> kolkata-y ekmatro Kunal Chattopadhyay-er ICS chhaRa aar kono
> >> trotskyist group-er ki ostitwo adow aachhe? ebong ICS-o
> >> organizationally khub strong bole mone hoy na -- kajei
> >> "institutionalism"-er doshe trotskyist-der doshi sabyosto korar kono jukti
> >> nei bole-i amar monet hoy |
> >
> >Kunal ekhon abar ekta I lagate perechhe , erpor mairi ekti parar panch
> >jonke niye shuru korlei All India level hoye jabe ...
> >Jara self-sacrifice take bhoi pai , jara swapno dekhate pare na , prochur
> >boi pore ar bideshi magazine bitoron korle ontooto bharotborshe songothon
> >hoi na .
>
> ami kunal-babu-r sombondhe bishesh kichhu jani na, kintu amar dharona
> chhilo je onar ICS, trade union front-e kichhu kichhu kaj kore thake |
>
> aar bortomane ontoto poschimbonge "self-sacrifice" korchhe kara aar
> "swopno dekhachhe"-i ba kara?
Je kono kormi , je kono doleri hok na keno , se jokhon grame whole timer
hoie jai , se sei kajtai kore , tate maku ,CPM ba onnannorao pore .
>
> amar majhe majhe tomar lekha poRe monet hoy je tumi sob kichhu jeno
> boDDo beshi romanticize kore phelo | "swopno-dekhane-wala"-der chaite
> hard-headed realist-der amar onek beshi pochhondo |
Okhanei to kono creation hoi na , Swapno i reality ke bodlai , 67 theke
74 keu keu swapno dekhechilo bole aj Bhojpur,KArbi
Anglong,Jharkhand,PAlamou hote perechhe .Swapno chara reality hochhye
existing system er podolehon kora .