Brattyo Janer Rudh-dho Sangeet
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
The TITLE of my post is supposed to be a book by famous Rabindra Sangeet
singer Debabrata Biswas. I was/am not able to find or read it. I heard
that Debabrata Biswas was barred to sing Tagore song by Visva Bharati.
Can anyone tell me what was the problem. And also what was Mr Biswas'
argument as he was somewhat defient to Visva Bharati. I personally
can not resist Rabindrasangeet by Debabrata Biswas.
Shafi Khan
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Shafi bhai,
The book should not be difficult to find. Call Shahed at Anannnya at
(718)205-8086.
Without me trying to summarize what the problem was, it is better that
you read the book to get Biswas's version.
Personally, I think there was substance to both sides.
And of course, I love many of the renditions of Rabindranath's song by
Debabrata.
Regards,
Shoumyo.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>
> The TITLE of my post is supposed to be a book by famous Rabindra Sangeet
> singer Debabrata Biswas. I was/am not able to find or read it. I heard
> that Debabrata Biswas was barred to sing Tagore song by Visva Bharati.
> Can anyone tell me what was the problem. And also what was Mr Biswas'
> argument as he was somewhat defient to Visva Bharati. I personally
> can not resist Rabindrasangeet by Debabrata Biswas.
>
> Shafi Khan
>
Neither can I.
But I think at his old age (mainly because of his asthma problem),
George Biswas sang a number of songs which appear somewhat distorted.
But he had a marvellous voice in his youth.Unfortunately, a lot of those
songs have not been recorded.
The cassettes of Debabrata which we now find were mostly recorded when
he was very sick and old.
Also another problem (which I think) was political. Many people in
Viswabharati did not like George Biswas's leftist attitudes.
I think the way the Viswabharati treated him was really bad and out of
taste.
Subho.
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
Thank you for the information. I contacted him, he will be able to
get it for me in two weeks. In fact,I bought some books about ten
days ago from Anannya at the Ekushe Boi Mela, in New York, I did not
ask for it then. Of course, I did not expect them to have it.
Regards,
Shafi Khan
In article <350B7D...@ix.netcom.com>,
sho...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Shafi bhai,
>
> The book should not be difficult to find. Call Shahed at Anannnya at
> (718)205-8086.
>
> Without me trying to summarize what the problem was, it is better that
> you read the book to get Biswas's version.
>
> Personally, I think there was substance to both sides.
>
> And of course, I love many of the renditions of Rabindranath's song by
> Debabrata.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shoumyo.
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
smo...@research.umbc.edu wrote:
> Neither can I.
> But I think at his old age (mainly because of his asthma problem),
> George Biswas sang a number of songs which appear somewhat distorted.
> But he had a marvellous voice in his youth.Unfortunately, a lot of those
> songs have not been recorded.
> The cassettes of Debabrata which we now find were mostly recorded when
> he was very sick and old.
>
> Also another problem (which I think) was political. Many people in
> Viswabharati did not like George Biswas's leftist attitudes.
>
> I think the way the Viswabharati treated him was really bad and out of
> taste.
>
> Subho.
>
Mind naming some of his rendition before and after his sickness? I like
to see if I can feel the difference?
Shafi Khan
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>
> Mind naming some of his rendition before and after his sickness? I like
> to see if I can feel the difference?
>
> Shafi Khan
>
Some of the songs of George Biswas I like most may be as follows:
1. Shokal belar alo'e baaje biday-byathar bhoirobi....
2. E shudhu oloso maya.....
3. Ogo pothero shathi nomi barombar.....
4. Eso go jwele diye jao prodipo khani, namilo srabono shondhya....
5. Shohosa daal-paala tor utola je.....
Among his more famous ones are:
1. Purano sei diner kotha....
2. Klanti amar khoma koro probhu....
3. Bhora thaak smritisudhay hridoyer patrokhani....
4. Akash bhora surjyo tara....
5. Shara jeebon dilo alo surjyo groho chand....
6. Boro asha kore eshechhi go kachhe deke law....
7. Ami jokhon biksha nite jai......
8. Tomar dware keno ashi bhule je jai koto ki chai....
9. Tomar holo shuru amar holo shara.....
10. Tumi robe nirobe hridoye momo.....
11. E monihaar amar nahi saaje....
Apart from these, his collection of songs on "Ritu" (seasons) are
fantastic.
I think the first song is:
Boishakho he mouni taposh....
Most of those songs are very good. The ones I like most are:
1. Bohujuger opar hote ashad elo....
2. Se din amay bolechhile....
3. Choitro pobone....
One of the songs which does not figure in this collection but is a good
one is:
Bojromanik diye gantha asad tomar mala...
I am not exactly sure about the chronological order of these songs, but
from the ones I have mentioned I like most, the first three are from a
very old gramophone record.
I do not know what other people think, but you may notice from the list
I have mentioned above, all the songs are on a fast beat. If you listen
to some of those songs you will notice the richness of Debabrata's voice
and all the presence of Western music. In couple of his songs you may
also hear drums and bands instead of Tabla.
This many people find disturbing.
The ones which I do not like so much are as follows:
1. Purano janiya cheona......
2. Sunilo sagorer....
3. Aji joto tara tobo akashe....
4. Aaj jyotsna raate sobai gechhe bone.... (very distorted)
5. Aro kichhukshon nahoi boshio kachhe....
6. Ondokarer utso hote utsarito alo....
The last two songs may very well be his last songs recorded. They were
recorded when he was very sick and was almost on his death bed.
He sang many more songs. I do not remeber them all.
Many people (like my father) like the ones which he sang when he was an
active member of the IPTA.
Those who have heard him sing the Nazrulgeeti "Karar oi louho kopat...."
do not like to hear the same song from anybody else.
Anyway, so much from a diehard Debabrata fan.
Subho.
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
Thank you so much for taking time to go in such detail about Debabrata's
renditions. As I mentioned, for me, it is not possible to ignore his
songs. But his song was stopped by Viswabharati, otherwise we would
have gotten many more songs with richness, melody and strength that
characterized his voice.
smo...@research.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> Some of the songs of George Biswas I like most may be as follows:
>
> 1. Shokal belar alo'e baaje biday-byathar bhoirobi....
> 2. E shudhu oloso maya.....
> 3. Ogo pothero shathi nomi barombar.....
> 4. Eso go jwele diye jao prodipo khani, namilo srabono shondhya....
> 5. Shohosa daal-paala tor utola je.....
>
I did not hear any other except Shahosa daal-pala, I find it
excellent.
> Among his more famous ones are:
>
> 1. Purano sei diner kotha....
> 2. Klanti amar khoma koro probhu....
> 3. Bhora thaak smritisudhay hridoyer patrokhani....
> 4. Akash bhora surjyo tara....
> 5. Shara jeebon dilo alo surjyo groho chand....
> 6. Boro asha kore eshechhi go kachhe deke law....
> 7. Ami jokhon biksha nite jai......
> 8. Tomar dware keno ashi bhule je jai koto ki chai....
> 9. Tomar holo shuru amar holo shara.....
> 10. Tumi robe nirobe hridoye momo.....
> 11. E monihaar amar nahi saaje....
I do not think, I heard # 3, 5 & 8 of the above, but yes all are very
famous. But # 7 could never leave my memory even when I did not hear his
songs for years. # 1, 9 & 11 had been particularly special to me during my
college years.
> Apart from these, his collection of songs on "Ritu" (seasons) are
> fantastic.
> I think the first song is:
>
> Boishakho he mouni taposh....
Indeed.
> Most of those songs are very good. The ones I like most are:
> 1. Bohujuger opar hote ashad elo....
> 2. Se din amay bolechhile....
> 3. Choitro pobone....
Certainly.
>
> One of the songs which does not figure in this collection but is a good
> one is:
> Bojromanik diye gantha asad tomar mala...
Oh, of course irressistable.
>
> I am not exactly sure about the chronological order of these songs, but
> from the ones I have mentioned I like most, the first three are from a
> very old gramophone record.
> I do not know what other people think, but you may notice from the list
> I have mentioned above, all the songs are on a fast beat. If you listen
> to some of those songs you will notice the richness of Debabrata's voice
> and all the presence of Western music. In couple of his songs you may
> also hear drums and bands instead of Tabla.
> This many people find disturbing.
>
> The ones which I do not like so much are as follows:
> 1. Purano janiya cheona......
> 2. Sunilo sagorer....
> 3. Aji joto tara tobo akashe....
> 4. Aaj jyotsna raate sobai gechhe bone.... (very distorted)
> 5. Aro kichhukshon nahoi boshio kachhe....
> 6. Ondokarer utso hote utsarito alo....
I heard the first three, not the rest. May be you are right. I did not
enjoy them as much. When you say *distorted* you mean it did not come
out as it should, but followed swaralipi by the poet anyway, I
suppose.
>
> The last two songs may very well be his last songs recorded. They were
> recorded when he was very sick and was almost on his death bed.
> He sang many more songs. I do not remeber them all.
> Many people (like my father) like the ones which he sang when he was an
> active member of the IPTA.
Forgive me for my ignorance, what is IPTA?
> Those who have heard him sing the Nazrulgeeti "Karar oi louho kopat...."
> do not like to hear the same song from anybody else.
> Anyway, so much from a diehard Debabrata fan.
>
> Subho.
>
Recently, found some songs really beautiful are as follows:
1. Keno cheye aachho go ma
2. Etodin je bosey chhilem
3. Tumi achho kon para, tomar paine je sara
4. Oei je jharer megher koley
5. Phaguner nabin anandey
6. Aaji ki tahar barta pelore
7. Jhoro-jhoro-jhoro-jhoro jhare ranger jharna
When I was in long isolation and homesick, I found the # 1 hard to
resist. But I continue to find it that way, yet it may have been
influenced by my situtation. I heard # 7 once at least 10 years
ago, since then I was not able to hear it. Recently, I got it and
found it somewhat different than I thought. Yet I found it very
rich, perhaps he (Mr. Biswas) added something different, new and
beautifull to it which any one else can not.
Regards,
Ihtisham Kabir
Yes, I remember this ban. As far as I can recall, it was put in
place because of the musical accompaniments which "hampered the
sentiments" of the songs. (I think that the musical accompaniments
were wonderful but VB did not consult me :-)))
My preferred set of recordings were the ones done by Hindustan
records in the early 70s. ("Season's songs" album, the Akash-Bhora
Surjo tara album, the Megh Bolechhey jabo-jabo album, etc.) The
technical quality is poor, but the power of his voice really
shines through. Some of these songs are now available in CDs
at "The Best of Debabrata Biswas". Regrettably the CD quality
is at least as poor, if not poorer, than the LPs.
I also have the soundtrack from a documentary movie on Biswas,
where there are interview snippets. Some interesting comments
about the ban, about his gift of singing, etc.
Truly, he was the greatest singer of Tagore songs.
- Ihtisham Kabir
In article 1F...@research.umbc.edu, "Dr. Subho Mozumdar" <smo...@research.umbc.edu> writes:
> sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
> >
> > The TITLE of my post is supposed to be a book by famous Rabindra Sangeet
> > singer Debabrata Biswas. I was/am not able to find or read it. I heard
> > that Debabrata Biswas was barred to sing Tagore song by Visva Bharati.
> > Can anyone tell me what was the problem. And also what was Mr Biswas'
> > argument as he was somewhat defient to Visva Bharati. I personally
> > can not resist Rabindrasangeet by Debabrata Biswas.
> >
> > Shafi Khan
> >
>
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
In Dr. Subhu Mozumdar's word, another diehard Debabrata fan, me
included. I did not have the season,s songs LP. But heard most
of those songs. Yes, you are right I have seen many CDs quality
are not as great. This is perhaps because they were prerecorded
in other mediums.
But I would like to collect 'Best of Bebrabata Biswas'. Thank
you for the information.
Shafi Khan
In article <6fbio3$p8j$1...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>,
Subrata Datta
All the songs you mentioned are not on the fast beat. In fact, most of them
are not.On your first list in 4 you have missed one line
Eso go...khani, bijano gharero konay
In the next list in item 3
its "bidayer" and not hridayer
Similarly in Item 11 its "amay" and not "amar"
Lastly, Debabbrata Biswas had never distorted Rabindra Sangeet in any manner.
He had ofcourse used his own idea to utilise various interesting instrument
But never distorted or changed the Swaralipi.
Subrata & Ruma
S(>sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
S(>
S(>>
S(>> Mind naming some of his rendition before and after his sickness? I like
S(>> to see if I can feel the difference?
S(>>
S(>> Shafi Khan
S(>>
S(>
S(>Some of the songs of George Biswas I like most may be as follows:
S(>
S(>1. Shokal belar alo'e baaje biday-byathar bhoirobi....
S(>2. E shudhu oloso maya.....
S(>3. Ogo pothero shathi nomi barombar.....
S(>4. Eso go jwele diye jao prodipo khani, namilo srabono shondhya....
S(>5. Shohosa daal-paala tor utola je.....
S(>
S(>Among his more famous ones are:
S(>
S(>1. Purano sei diner kotha....
S(>2. Klanti amar khoma koro probhu....
S(>3. Bhora thaak smritisudhay hridoyer patrokhani....
S(>4. Akash bhora surjyo tara....
S(>5. Shara jeebon dilo alo surjyo groho chand....
S(>6. Boro asha kore eshechhi go kachhe deke law....
S(>7. Ami jokhon biksha nite jai......
S(>8. Tomar dware keno ashi bhule je jai koto ki chai....
S(>9. Tomar holo shuru amar holo shara.....
S(>10. Tumi robe nirobe hridoye momo.....
S(>11. E monihaar amar nahi saaje....
S(>
S(>Apart from these, his collection of songs on "Ritu" (seasons) are
S(>fantastic.
S(>I think the first song is:
S(>
S(>Boishakho he mouni taposh....
S(>Most of those songs are very good. The ones I like most are:
S(>1. Bohujuger opar hote ashad elo....
S(>2. Se din amay bolechhile....
S(>3. Choitro pobone....
S(>
S(>One of the songs which does not figure in this collection but is a good
S(>one is:
S(>Bojromanik diye gantha asad tomar mala...
S(>
S(>I am not exactly sure about the chronological order of these songs, but
S(>from the ones I have mentioned I like most, the first three are from a
S(>very old gramophone record.
S(>I do not know what other people think, but you may notice from the list
S(>I have mentioned above, all the songs are on a fast beat. If you listen
S(>to some of those songs you will notice the richness of Debabrata's voice
S(>and all the presence of Western music. In couple of his songs you may
S(>also hear drums and bands instead of Tabla.
S(>This many people find disturbing.
S(>
S(>The ones which I do not like so much are as follows:
S(>1. Purano janiya cheona......
S(>2. Sunilo sagorer....
S(>3. Aji joto tara tobo akashe....
S(>4. Aaj jyotsna raate sobai gechhe bone.... (very distorted)
S(>5. Aro kichhukshon nahoi boshio kachhe....
S(>6. Ondokarer utso hote utsarito alo....
S(>
S(>The last two songs may very well be his last songs recorded. They were
S(>recorded when he was very sick and was almost on his death bed.
S(>He sang many more songs. I do not remeber them all.
S(>Many people (like my father) like the ones which he sang when he was an
S(>active member of the IPTA.
S(>Those who have heard him sing the Nazrulgeeti "Karar oi louho kopat...."
S(>do not like to hear the same song from anybody else.
S(>Anyway, so much from a diehard Debabrata fan.
S(>
S(>Subho.
S(>
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sbk...@bellatlantic.net
Those errors in Subho's posts are inadvertant. I received his email
where he had anglicized them as 'bidayer' etc.
About the distortion, I think he is saying that it happenned due to
his sickness in few cases. Not that he did with any intent.
And, yes, perhaps you are right that he never went beyond swaralipi.
But tell us, if you can what was Viswa Bharati's contention?
Regards,
Shafi
In article <0572...@internet.indiax.com>,
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>
> Those errors in Subho's posts are inadvertant. I received his email
> where he had anglicized them as 'bidayer' etc.
>
> About the distortion, I think he is saying that it happenned due to
> his sickness in few cases. Not that he did with any intent.
>
> And, yes, perhaps you are right that he never went beyond swaralipi.
>
I think he never went overboard with that. But if you listen to a song
"Aaj jyotsna raat'e sobai gechhe bon'e....."
This song has been sung by many such as Sagar Sen and Kanika.
Debabrata also sang it. But if you listen to Debabrata's and Kanika's
version you will definitely find that Debabrata did distort the song a
little bit (as far as the swaralipi goes).
Subho.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
Dr. Subho Mozumdar wrote:
>
> I think he never went overboard with that. But if you listen to a song
> "Aaj jyotsna raat'e sobai gechhe bon'e....."
> This song has been sung by many such as Sagar Sen and Kanika.
> Debabrata also sang it. But if you listen to Debabrata's and Kanika's
> version you will definitely find that Debabrata did distort the song a
> little bit (as far as the swaralipi goes).
>
> Subho.
I was also told that it was incidentally Kanika who at that time was
most vocal about cornering out Debabrata.
It is a pity how talented people can get themselves in this kind of
petty politics and enter into all sorts of mud slinging.
We this in Science everyday, but I guess it is present in all walks of
life.
Subho.
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
> Dr. Subho Mozumdar wrote:
>
> >
> > I think he never went overboard with that. But if you listen to a song
> > "Aaj jyotsna raat'e sobai gechhe bon'e....."
> > This song has been sung by many such as Sagar Sen and Kanika.
> > Debabrata also sang it. But if you listen to Debabrata's and Kanika's
> > version you will definitely find that Debabrata did distort the song a
> > little bit (as far as the swaralipi goes).
> >
> > Subho.
Unfortunately, I did not listen this song by Debabrata but by everyone
else. I hope to have it sometime. Debabrata thought that did not violate
any rules by Rabindranath. What he did was allowed by Kabiguru.
Here comes the problem, if he (kabi) should have allowed deviation from
his Swaralipi. Look what happenned to Nazrul Giti. Maybe the poet
was right in doing that.
A friend of mine was saying that this was done only for monetary reasons
as Viswa Bharati still collects it. He was of opinion that Rabindranath
did not /could not set the best tune, therefore; it should have been open
to others. But I think that if there were others more talented than him
then they are at liberty to compose and set their own tune why change
Tagore Songs.
>
> I was also told that it was incidentally Kanika who at that time was
> most vocal about cornering out Debabrata.
> It is a pity how talented people can get themselves in this kind of
> petty politics and enter into all sorts of mud slinging.
> We this in Science everyday, but I guess it is present in all walks of
> life.
>
> Subho.
>
It is a great loss that such a talented singer of Rabindrasangeet could
not offer all he could have had.
Recently, I was listening to his "Kotha je udha-ou holo more pran udashi".
I got obsessed with this song, could listen all day.
Shafi
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>
> Here comes the problem, if he (kabi) should have allowed deviation from
> his Swaralipi. Look what happenned to Nazrul Giti. Maybe the poet
> was right in doing that.
>
See that is the fun of Rabindrasangeet.
A person can follow Swaralipi completely, yet a careful ear can easily
distinguish between a trained voice and an untrained voice.
A lot has to do with style (Gayaki).
I think more than the tune, it is the lyrics which is the most important
part of Rabindrasangeet. Unfortunately very few people while singing
Rabindrasangeet understand the complete meaning of the words and thus
their song turn out to be pretty artificial.
The thing which I appreciate most about Debabrata (and Suchitra) is his
clear voice and distinct pronounciation of every word. He has always
tried to give the proper emphasis to the proper words and that is what
makes his songs so different.
In my opinion in Rabindrasangeet there is no room for artificiality
(which in Bengali is "Naykami").
> A friend of mine was saying that this was done only for monetary reasons
> as Viswa Bharati still collects it.
Yes a total business house.
He was of opinion that Rabindranath
> did not /could not set the best tune, therefore; it should have been open
> to others.
I cannot comment on that.
But I think that if there were others more talented than him
> then they are at liberty to compose and set their own tune why change
> Tagore Songs.
> >
>
> It is a great loss that such a talented singer of Rabindrasangeet could
> not offer all he could have had.
>
Whatever he has left for us is enough.
I would be happy if some new singers come and pick up from where he has
left.
Moreover, I feel that somebody should start collecting all the good
pieces which Debabrata has sung and come out with a collection.
> Recently, I was listening to his "Kotha je udha-ou holo more pran udashi".
> I got obsessed with this song, could listen all day.
>
> Shafi
I have heard this song sung by Kanika (I think it is one of the songs in
HMV's "Rupantari" CD). I like Kanika's version more.
Anup Ghosal has also done a good job it in "Barshamangal".
I have not heard Debabrata's version, so I cannot comment on that.
But I would be glad to listen to that.
Subho.
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
smo...@research.umbc.edu wrote:
> See that is the fun of Rabindrasangeet.
> A person can follow Swaralipi completely, yet a careful ear can easily
> distinguish between a trained voice and an untrained voice.
> A lot has to do with style (Gayaki).
Sure.
> I think more than the tune, it is the lyrics which is the most important
> part of Rabindrasangeet. Unfortunately very few people while singing
> Rabindrasangeet understand the complete meaning of the words and thus
> their song turn out to be pretty artificial.
> The thing which I appreciate most about Debabrata (and Suchitra) is his
> clear voice and distinct pronounciation of every word. He has always
> tried to give the proper emphasis to the proper words and that is what
> makes his songs so different.
I think this is a problem for some Bangladeshi Tagore song singer although
there are some promising singers. Iffat Ara Khan is one.
I can see that in those two great Tagore song singer. I have seen in
*Chhayanot* a music school in Dhaka to emphasize in understanding
the meaning of the lyrics. Also emphasize in memorizing it while
singing because many found singing from the book.
> Whatever he has left for us is enough.
> I would be happy if some new singers come and pick up from where he has
> left.
> Moreover, I feel that somebody should start collecting all the good
> pieces which Debabrata has sung and come out with a collection.
That would be great, I did not think of that.
I like another singer's rendition a lot, he is Subinoy Roy. I listened
some of his recent songs which I did not enjoy as much. Influence of
aging is clear.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>
> smo...@research.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> > See that is the fun of Rabindrasangeet.
> > A person can follow Swaralipi completely, yet a careful ear can easily
> > distinguish between a trained voice and an untrained voice.
> > A lot has to do with style (Gayaki).
>
> Sure.
>
> > I think more than the tune, it is the lyrics which is the most important
> > part of Rabindrasangeet. Unfortunately very few people while singing
> > Rabindrasangeet understand the complete meaning of the words and thus
> > their song turn out to be pretty artificial.
> > The thing which I appreciate most about Debabrata (and Suchitra) is his
> > clear voice and distinct pronounciation of every word. He has always
> > tried to give the proper emphasis to the proper words and that is what
> > makes his songs so different.
>
> I think this is a problem for some Bangladeshi Tagore song singer although
> there are some promising singers. Iffat Ara Khan is one.
>
I have not really heard that many Rabindrasangeet from Bangladeshi
singers.
I do like some songs of Bonya, although at times I feel the accompanying
music is too much and annoying.
Apart from that I have a cassette which was presented to the Indian
governement by the Bangladesh government on the 125th Birth anniverssary
of Tagore.
In that I have heard some wonderful songs. One of them is
"Bela gelo tomar potho cheye...."
I really like it.
> I can see that in those two great Tagore song singer. I have seen in
> *Chhayanot* a music school in Dhaka to emphasize in understanding
> the meaning of the lyrics. Also emphasize in memorizing it while
> singing because many found singing from the book.
>
I do not like this idea of memorizing. If a person knows the meaning of
the song then the song should come spontaneously.
Memorizing a song can simply add to artificiality.
> > Whatever he has left for us is enough.
> > I would be happy if some new singers come and pick up from where he has
> > left.
> > Moreover, I feel that somebody should start collecting all the good
> > pieces which Debabrata has sung and come out with a collection.
>
> That would be great, I did not think of that.
>
> I like another singer's rendition a lot, he is Subinoy Roy. I listened
> some of his recent songs which I did not enjoy as much. Influence of
> aging is clear.
>
> Shafi
I completely agree with you. I really like his "Puja porjay'er gaan". He
has a softness as well as a depth in his voice which makes his songs so
nice.
Subho.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Dr. Subho Mozumdar wrote:
>I have a cassette which was presented to the Indian
> governement by the Bangladesh government on the 125th Birth anniverssary
> of Tagore.
> In that I have heard some wonderful songs. One of them is
> "Bela gelo tomar potho cheye...."
> I really like it.
Fahmida Khatun ki ?
Janiyo to.
Shoumyo.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
Sorry, could not get back earlier.
A very "responsible" friend of mine has whacked that cassette recently.
So could not check it. I think the singer is Iffat Ara Khan. Someone
kindly check that for me.
I have another cassette where Suchitra has sung the same song. Although,
I am a big fan of Suchitra too, I think she stands no where near Iffat
Ara Khan.
I first listened to that song while driving down the hills of
Pennsylvania. It was twilight, Susquehena river was flowing by our side.
I think the setting was ideal for that song.
Both me and my wife think that she has a kind of innocence in her voice
which makes the song so wonderful. Besides the absence of any major
accompanying instrument, adds to the quality and purity of that song.
I have not heard any more songs from that lady but I think she has a
great voice.
Subho.
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
> I do like some songs of Bonya, although at times I feel the accompanying
> music is too much and annoying.
Shukanthi, but lacked depth, I am talking about 10 years back, maybe she
sings now even better.
> Apart from that I have a cassette which was presented to the Indian
> governement by the Bangladesh government on the 125th Birth anniverssary
> of Tagore.
> In that I have heard some wonderful songs. One of them is
> "Bela gelo tomar potho cheye...."
> I really like it.
I really like to collect if possible. Please give some info.
> > I can see that in those two great Tagore song singer. I have seen in
> > *Chhayanot* a music school in Dhaka to emphasize in understanding
> > the meaning of the lyrics. Also emphasize in memorizing it while
> > singing because many found singing from the book.
>
> I do not like this idea of memorizing. If a person knows the meaning of
> the song then the song should come spontaneously.
> Memorizing a song can simply add to artificiality.
It would be unjust for me attribute this on "Chayanot". I am wrong in
my estimate for two reasons, one is my inarticulation and the other
is my misperception. People like Wahidul Huq or Sanjida Khatun are
great Rabibdra Sangeet literate. Some BDeshi good singers are Chayanot
product.
I can see how memorizing can bring artificiality.
> > I like another singer's rendition a lot, he is Subinoy Roy. I listened
> > some of his recent songs which I did not enjoy as much. Influence of
> > aging is clear.
> I completely agree with you. I really like his "Puja porjay'er gaan". He
> has a softness as well as a depth in his voice which makes his songs so
> nice.
Very appropriate description of Roy.
I have a CD titled Amar Apan Gaan, I liked almost every songs in this set.
His 'nidrahara Rater e'gaan', 'oder sathe melao jara charai tomar dhenu',
'sada thako anande', 'tumi dak diyecho kone sakale' are excellent.
A line from Nidrahara rater goes like, 'nam-na-jana trino kusum sheurechilo
shishir jale, is fantastic in his voice.
I do not hear songs from BDeshi singers for about ten years. Singers
I liked then were Fahmida Khautun, Sanjida Khatun, Milia Ali, Kalim Sharafi
and Hamida Huq.
Shafi
sbk...@bellatlantic.net
Shafi
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Dr. Subho Mozumdar
sbk...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>
> > I do like some songs of Bonya, although at times I feel the accompanying
> > music is too much and annoying.
>
> Shukanthi, but lacked depth, I am talking about 10 years back, maybe she
> sings now even better.
>
I really do not know. But I know that some of my friends from Cal. are
really great fans of her.
> > Apart from that I have a cassette which was presented to the Indian
> > governement by the Bangladesh government on the 125th Birth anniverssary
> > of Tagore.
> > In that I have heard some wonderful songs. One of them is
> > "Bela gelo tomar potho cheye...."
> > I really like it.
>
> I really like to collect if possible. Please give some info.
>
I think to me it is one of the "dushprapyo" cassette. I recorded it from
Shomyo Dasgupta in Buffalo.
But as I had mentioned in my earlier post, one of my "very responsible"
friend has kept it in his safe custody.
So I am sorry I cannot give you all the info you want right now.
> > > I can see that in those two great Tagore song singer. I have seen in
> > > *Chhayanot* a music school in Dhaka to emphasize in understanding
> > > the meaning of the lyrics. Also emphasize in memorizing it while
> > > singing because many found singing from the book.
> >
> > I do not like this idea of memorizing. If a person knows the meaning of
> > the song then the song should come spontaneously.
> > Memorizing a song can simply add to artificiality.
>
> It would be unjust for me attribute this on "Chayanot". I am wrong in
> my estimate for two reasons, one is my inarticulation and the other
> is my misperception. People like Wahidul Huq or Sanjida Khatun are
> great Rabibdra Sangeet literate. Some BDeshi good singers are Chayanot
> product.
>
> I can see how memorizing can bring artificiality.
>
In India (I am sure also in Bangladesh) sometimes Rabindrasangeet is
taught in a very bad way.
People start learning Rabindrasangeet even before they develop a strong
classical base. This I think is absolutely wrong.
Moreover, there is a cultural aspect to it too.
I have heard many children singing some Rabindrasangeet which have some
deeper meaning. It is not possible for them to understand the full
meaning of the song. Anyway, they can be excused since they are children
and sometimes they do sing very spontaneously.
What I find most disturbing is parents forcing their adolescent kids to
sing Puja "porjay'er gaan" when they should be singng Prem "porjay'er
gaan". All this leads to tremendous amount of artificiality not only
then but probably for the rest of their lives.
> > > I like another singer's rendition a lot, he is Subinoy Roy. I listened
> > > some of his recent songs which I did not enjoy as much. Influence of
> > > aging is clear.
>
> > I completely agree with you. I really like his "Puja porjay'er gaan". He
> > has a softness as well as a depth in his voice which makes his songs so
> > nice.
>
> Very appropriate description of Roy.
>
> I have a CD titled Amar Apan Gaan, I liked almost every songs in this set.
> His 'nidrahara Rater e'gaan', 'oder sathe melao jara charai tomar dhenu',
> 'sada thako anande', 'tumi dak diyecho kone sakale' are excellent.
>
> A line from Nidrahara rater goes like, 'nam-na-jana trino kusum sheurechilo
> shishir jale, is fantastic in his voice.
>
True.
But you should also listen to Sanghamitra Gupta. Her version of
"Nidrahara Rat'er e Gaan..." is equally good.
I like both the songs "Oder sathe melao...." and "Sada thako anonde...."
I have made a personal collection of Subinoy Roy's songs and both the
songs feature in that collection.
About the song "Oder sathe melao...." After listening to that song I
felt, someday I should learn Sitar and should play that song on it. It
has a wonderful "Chhondo" in it.
But about "Tumi dak diyechho kon sokale...."
Sorry, I like K.L. Saigal's version more. You can brand me any way you
like.
> I do not hear songs from BDeshi singers for about ten years. Singers
> I liked then were Fahmida Khautun, Sanjida Khatun, Milia Ali, Kalim Sharafi
> and Hamida Huq.
>
> Shafi
> Shafi
Thanks for telling us about so many Bangladeshi Rabindrasangeet singers.
I have heard the names of Fahmida Khatun and Sanjida Khatun. I
definitely want to listen to more of their songs.
Subho.