Whither Calcutta ? (continuation)
T.H.Sanyal.
I have not been able to reply to Indranil Dasgupta for a while.
Please excuse the delay. I am sorry that I made an unwarranted
comment on the extent of Mr Dasgupta's scholarship on Calcutta.
I accept his following statement:
>Dekhun T.H babu, Kolkata niye ami pNach library bhorti boi porechi,
>chota paper likhechi, shat bochor gobeshona korechi ebong atti shomiti
>gathon korechi. Kintu jehetu alochonata amake niye noy tai ebishoy ar
>kichu kunthaboshoto bola jachche na. Asha kori kichu mone korben na.
Please don't be so modest. I would like to know what you found after
seven years worth of research. Please give references to your papers
or post some summaries. One thing bothers me though. Surely you are
aware, after seven years of research, that one problem Calcutta faces
is the multiplicity of agencies dealing with almost every aspect of
city life? (Example: Hundreds of local government units in CMD;
Several agencies plus hundreds of private bus owners in the transport
sector). Yet YOU founded EIGHT associations?
This is Indranil earlier:
>: >Durbhash bole ki apni radio bojachchen na telephone? C-Dot ashar por to
Seven years of research, and you did not know what Durbhash means?
>Asole akhon chotokhato mofussil shohorgloteo phone -e r babostha
>bhaloi. Kolkatay onno shohor-er tulonay phone akhono kharap. Oi niye
Which cities are you comparing against Calcutta? Look, you claimed that
Telephone system has broken down in Calcutta (I hope I translate you
correctly), now you are saying even small towns have better telephones,
so improvement in Calcutta Telephone doesn't count. Where is it written
that the smaller towns and villages must necessarily have worse phone
system than the big cities? Moreover, note that in your own story, by
which you wanted to establish narrow-mindedness, rudeness etc as
distinguishing traits of Calcuttans, you WERE able to contact your
friend's office by (gasp) Telephone! Doesn't seem to bolster the theory
of broken down telephone system, does it?
>keu garbo korbe asha kori ni. Tobe ei niye kotha bolte gele jodi
>abbhontorin ouponibeshikota eshe pore taholei kheyeche. kolkatar phone
>babosthar oi obostha hoyeche ki shudhu poyshar obhabe?
I simply made a statement that the phone system has improved in Calcutta.
I am not a Calcuttan and don't particularly need to feel pride about
a telephone system that is working better than it used to.
I am sorry that you are allergic to the notion of internal colonialism,
but the decline of Calcutta in the post-1947 period (and non-development
of Eastern India) can, at least in part, be attributed to the phenomenon
that you are allergic to. After seven years of research, surely you are
aware where the headquarters of the following financial institutions
are located?
1. Reserve Bank of India, 2. State Bank of India, 3. Life Insurance
Corporation of India, 4. General Insurance Corporation of India,
5. Industrial Finance Corporation of India, 6. Unit Trust of India,
7. Industrial Credit and Investment Corporation of India.
You got the answers? Good. You are saying you are still clueless about
why Bombay is prospering and Calcutta is declining? OK here is another
clue: When the railways were rezoned, which city saw the area it
commanded (by virtue of having Zonal headquarters situated there)
decrease? Still clueless? OK, start another association, and do one
more year of research.
T.H.Sanyal.
Atanu Basu
Subho engreji naboborsho:
Bhebechilaam bochorer prothom posting-ta ektu onyo rakam likhbo, kintu
er por ar thakte parlamna.
Sei bikhyato uktitai jeta ekhane already ekbaar dekhaa diyeche setai
abar likhte holo,
"He bongo bhandare tobo bibidho raton".
Aamader Hall-e ekta kotha chalu chchilo, "Or mathay aakaash pora ache".
Ekhane je dekhchi mahakaasher sondhaan pelaam.
Ke jaane baabaa, nijer pith baNchate nicher line ta badhyohoei
likhte hochche,
just KIDDING.
^^^^^^^
Osonkho subechcha saho,
Atanu
Debarag Banerjee
>, T.H.Sanyal. <TH...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>
| ..... Where is it written
|>that the smaller towns and villages must necessarily have worse phone
|>system than the big cities?
In several CCITT standards, among other places. There are 5 (or 7) hierarchical categories of communications servers. The ones belonging to the
higher categories ("tall offices" onwards) are located in bigger cities.
...., you WERE able to contact your
|>friend's office by (gasp) Telephone! Doesn't seem to bolster the theory
|>of broken down telephone system, does it?
I flew unharmed from Calcutta to Memphis. By your logic that means
all those bloody hacks writing stuff about airline disasters and air safety
are plain liars -aren't they?
|>I am sorry that you are allergic to the notion of internal colonialism,
|>but the decline of Calcutta in the post-1947 period (and non-development
|>of Eastern India) can, at least in part, be attributed to the phenomenon
|>that you are allergic to. After seven years of research, surely you are
|>aware where the headquarters of the following financial institutions
|>are located?
|>1. Reserve Bank of India, 2. State Bank of India, 3. Life Insurance
|>Corporation of India, 4. General Insurance Corporation of India,
|>5. Industrial Finance Corporation of India, 6. Unit Trust of India,
|>7. Industrial Credit and Investment Corporation of India.
|>
Give me a break! If you run a business will you set up your headquarters
near where most of your clients are, or 1000 miles away?
[Vitriolic stuff cut to maintain proper pH]
--
| Tired of recycling?
Debarag Banerjee |
dban...@bme.utmem.edu | Call 1-800-NIRVANA
Indranil DasGupta
: Old Heading: Kolikata choliache ... kintu kothay?
: I have not been able to reply to Indranil Dasgupta for a while.
: Please excuse the delay. I am sorry that I made an unwarranted
: comment on the extent of Mr Dasgupta's scholarship on Calcutta.
Ja hoye gache hoye gache. Apni abar alochonay eshechen jenei amra anondito.
: I accept his following statement:
: >Dekhun T.H babu, Kolkata niye ami pNach library bhorti boi porechi,
: >chota paper likhechi, shat bochor gobeshona korechi ebong atti shomiti
: >gathon korechi. Kintu jehetu alochonata amake niye noy tai ebishoy ar
: >kichu kunthaboshoto bola jachche na. Asha kori kichu mone korben na.
: Please don't be so modest. I would like to know what you found after
: seven years worth of research. Please give references to your papers
UhNu, agei to bolechi o niye kichu bolte ami oparog. Apni jotoi
cheshta korun amake dhorte parben na. Apnar lokhkho mul alochona
theke shore amar pichone dhaboman kano?
: or post some summaries. One thing bothers me though. Surely you are
: aware, after seven years of research, that one problem Calcutta faces
: is the multiplicity of agencies dealing with almost every aspect of
: city life? (Example: Hundreds of local government units in CMD;
: Several agencies plus hundreds of private bus owners in the transport
: sector). Yet YOU founded EIGHT associations?
Ato beshi shonghoton hoyto shotttikarer karjo shiddhir poriponthi.
Kolkatar pichiye thakar arekti karoner upor alokpat korar jonno
dhonnobad.
Amar shomitiguli kolkatay e khobor apnake ke dilo?
: This is Indranil earlier:
: >: >Durbhash bole ki apni radio bojachchen na telephone? C-Dot ashar por to
: Seven years of research, and you did not know what Durbhash means?
Shudhu durbhash kano, ami aro onek technical bangla protishobd-er
mane-i guliye pheli. Madhyomik-e amar bangla-i chilo na.
: >Asole akhon chotokhato mofussil shohorgloteo phone -e r babostha
: >bhaloi. Kolkatay onno shohor-er tulonay phone akhono kharap. Oi niye
: Which cities are you comparing against Calcutta? Look, you claimed that
: Telephone system has broken down in Calcutta (I hope I translate you
: correctly), now you are saying even small towns have better telephones,
: so improvement in Calcutta Telephone doesn't count. Where is it written
: that the smaller towns and villages must necessarily have worse phone
: system than the big cities? Moreover, note that in your own story, by
Na kothao lekha nei je choto shohorer telephone babostha baro shohorer
tulonay kharap hobe. Apni ki mene nichchen je onek choto shoohor-er
ttulonay kolkatar telephone kharap?
: which you wanted to establish narrow-mindedness, rudeness etc as
: distinguishing traits of Calcuttans, you WERE able to contact your
: friend's office by (gasp) Telephone! Doesn't seem to bolster the theory
: of broken down telephone system, does it?
Oi shohorer ekti telephone-o jodi kaj kore taholei jara khushi tara,
T.H babu, onek uchcho marger lok. Ami shadharon.
: >keu garbo korbe asha kori ni. Tobe ei niye kotha bolte gele jodi
: >abbhontorin ouponibeshikota eshe pore taholei kheyeche. kolkatar phone
: >babosthar oi obostha hoyeche ki shudhu poyshar obhabe?
: I simply made a statement that the phone system has improved in Calcutta.
: I am not a Calcuttan and don't particularly need to feel pride about
: a telephone system that is working better than it used to.
: I am sorry that you are allergic to the notion of internal colonialism,
: but the decline of Calcutta in the post-1947 period (and non-development
: of Eastern India) can, at least in part, be attributed to the phenomenon
: that you are allergic to. After seven years of research, surely you are
: aware where the headquarters of the following financial institutions
: are located?
: 1. Reserve Bank of India, 2. State Bank of India, 3. Life Insurance
: Corporation of India, 4. General Insurance Corporation of India,
: 5. Industrial Finance Corporation of India, 6. Unit Trust of India,
: 7. Industrial Credit and Investment Corporation of India.
Apni ojotha utola hoye porchen T.H babu. Abhbhontoreen ouponibeshikotar
kothay amar gatrodaho hobe kano? Ami oi niye kotha barate chaini tthik
shei jinishtir bhoy ja apni uporer shat-ti kaman gorjoner shathe
ghotalen. orthat addar moydane pandityer patton tank ene phela.
Collegegami jubotider porichchod shadhinotar kotha apni ar tulben na
mone hoy. Tai apnar priyo bishoy : Telephone o ouponibeshikota-tei phire
asha jak.
Amar dharona, Kolkatar telephone-er ei doinnodoshar karon orthabhab noy.
Ami akadhik kolkatabashi-ke chini jNader Tlephone deerghokal kaj kore na
ei karone je sthaniyo Telephone apisher kormocharider tNara
ghush dite raji non. Abar akjonke chini jini ghush diyeo kajta korate
parchen na karon kormochariti apishei thake na. Bichchinno ghatona
nihshondehe. Kintu ei ghatonai kolkatar onno jaygay hochche tar kono
proman amar kache nei.
: You got the answers? Good. You are saying you are still clueless about
: why Bombay is prospering and Calcutta is declining? OK here is another
: clue: When the railways were rezoned, which city saw the area it
: commanded (by virtue of having Zonal headquarters situated there)
: decrease? Still clueless? OK, start another association, and do one
: more year of research.
O Bombay-o tahole Delhir dalabhukto hoyeche? Khub-i bhoyer kotha. Er por
shomosto deshtai kolkatake uponibesh baniye dhongsho na kore day!
Chintay phellen T.H babu.
Indranil.
Apratim Sarkar
>
>>, T.H.Sanyal. <TH...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|>
> ...., you WERE able to contact your
>|>friend's office by (gasp) Telephone! Doesn't seem to bolster the theory
>|>of broken down telephone system, does it?
>
> I flew unharmed from Calcutta to Memphis. By your logic that means
>all those bloody hacks writing stuff about airline disasters and air safety
>are plain liars -aren't they?
Debaragbabu has correctly pointed out the inadequacy of single-point
samples in quality analysis. However, the example about the aviation
system, IMHO, is not quite appropriate, rather displays similar wide
generalizations. Aviation industry as a whole hasn't 'broken down',
or become unsafe in general in view of the opinions expressed and
data provided, however truthful, by the above-mentioned 'bloody
hacks'.
From personal experience, the communications system in and to Calcutta
has definitely improved from '91 onwards. In last four years, only once
did the telephone lines to my parents place go down in Cal, and that
too was fixed in a matter of days with no bribes involved. I still
remember the horrors of calling Cal in '91, the 'all lines to this
junction are busy ...' which I haven't encountered in the last two
years.
Of course, it may still be worse off than many other places, but still
in a relative scale, things have improved.
>|>I am sorry that you are allergic to the notion of internal colonialism,
>|>but the decline of Calcutta in the post-1947 period (and non-development
>|>of Eastern India) can, at least in part, be attributed to the phenomenon
>|>that you are allergic to. After seven years of research, surely you are
>|>aware where the headquarters of the following financial institutions
>|>are located?
>|>1. Reserve Bank of India, 2. State Bank of India, 3. Life Insurance
>|>Corporation of India, 4. General Insurance Corporation of India,
>|>5. Industrial Finance Corporation of India, 6. Unit Trust of India,
>|>7. Industrial Credit and Investment Corporation of India.
>|>
> Give me a break! If you run a business will you set up your headquarters
>near where most of your clients are, or 1000 miles away?
I think the Govt. of India is not 'running a business', per se.
Decentralization and diversification are, at least in theory, the goals
of any Federal Govt.
>--
> | Tired of recycling?
>Debarag Banerjee |
>dban...@bme.utmem.edu | Call 1-800-NIRVANA
Regards,
Apra.
Apratim Sarkar
>Collegegami jubotider porichchod shadhinotar kotha apni ar tulben na
>mone hoy.
E byapar-e Mr. Sanyal-er kichhu balar na thakte pare, haitoba.
Kintu, Kolkata abar kabe collegegami jubotider porichchod-er
swadhinata kere nilo!? Moon Moon Sen to shudhu ekti T-shirt
pare Jadavpur-e ashten shunechhi. Ar JU-te amari dekha besh
kichhu jubotira to besh ullekhjogya poshakashak parten - ritimoto
darshoniyo!
Tumi ki aro swalpobash kichhur katha bolchho? IITD-te na giye ki
shab mati haye gelo naki he?
>Tai apnar priyo bishoy : Telephone o ouponibeshikota-tei phire
>asha jak.
>
>Amar dharona, Kolkatar telephone-er ei doinnodoshar karon orthabhab noy.
>Ami akadhik kolkatabashi-ke chini jNader Tlephone deerghokal kaj kore na
>ei karone je sthaniyo Telephone apisher kormocharider tNara
>ghush dite raji non. Abar akjonke chini jini ghush diyeo kajta korate
>parchen na karon kormochariti apishei thake na. Bichchinno ghatona
>nihshondehe. Kintu ei ghatonai kolkatar onno jaygay hochche tar kono
>proman amar kache nei.
Tahole ki tomar mane hai Kolkata-r main problem gh(n)ush ar alashata?
>: You got the answers? Good. You are saying you are still clueless about
>: why Bombay is prospering and Calcutta is declining? OK here is another
>: clue: When the railways were rezoned, which city saw the area it
>: commanded (by virtue of having Zonal headquarters situated there)
>: decrease? Still clueless? OK, start another association, and do one
>: more year of research.
>
>O Bombay-o tahole Delhir dalabhukto hoyeche? Khub-i bhoyer kotha. Er por
>shomosto deshtai kolkatake uponibesh baniye dhongsho na kore day!
>Chintay phellen T.H babu.
Iye, mane, Indranil, ek, there was a substantial amount of truth in
Mr. Sanyal's last statement, tumi eriye gele kichhu karar nei, ar dui,
T.H babu-ta bhishon funny shonai, tumi Sanyalbabu balo na keno?
>Indranil.
Regards,
Apra.
Indranil DasGupta
: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
: >Collegegami jubotider porichchod shadhinotar kotha apni ar tulben na
: >mone hoy.
: E byapar-e Mr. Sanyal-er kichhu balar na thakte pare, haitoba.
: Kintu, Kolkata abar kabe collegegami jubotider porichchod-er
: swadhinata kere nilo!? Moon Moon Sen to shudhu ekti T-shirt
: pare Jadavpur-e ashten shunechhi. Ar JU-te amari dekha besh
Shudhu T shirt! Dhat, hotei pare na! Tahole JU theke Nobel Laurate
beroto. IIT faiaiti -te keu ar jeto na.
: kichhu jubotira to besh ullekhjogya poshakashak parten - ritimoto
: darshoniyo!
Miniskirt, tight jeans? Ami to char bochor ageo kolkaatay giye eshob na
dekhte peye aakhkhep korechilaam. Tarpor Oi kon akta College-e
shunlaam meyeder shari pore ashte bola hoyeche (onno kono poshak naki
oshleel!).
Tumi onek bariye bolcho Apra. Delhi, Bombay, Madras-e meyera sharir
bondhon theke kobe mukti diyeche nijeder!
: Tumi ki aro swalpobash kichhur katha bolchho? IITD-te na giye ki
Na, oi je duti poridheyer kotha upore likhechi she duti joti porjapto
porimane dekhe thako tahole Jadabpur-i ba kom kishe?
Ami Delhi-te ki ki dekhechi ta likhe cheleder matha kharap korte chai na.
: >Tai apnar priyo bishoy : Telephone o ouponibeshikota-tei phire
: >asha jak.
: >
: >Amar dharona, Kolkatar telephone-er ei doinnodoshar karon orthabhab noy.
: >Ami akadhik kolkatabashi-ke chini jNader Tlephone deerghokal kaj kore na
: >ei karone je sthaniyo Telephone apisher kormocharider tNara
: >ghush dite raji non. Abar akjonke chini jini ghush diyeo kajta korate
: >parchen na karon kormochariti apishei thake na. Bichchinno ghatona
: >nihshondehe. Kintu ei ghatonai kolkatar onno jaygay hochche tar kono
: >proman amar kache nei.
: Tahole ki tomar mane hai Kolkata-r main problem gh(n)ush ar alashata?
Kolokatar main problem onek. Ami bishesh ektir dike drishti akorshon
korachchilaam : Manusher oshohishnu mejaj.
: >: You got the answers? Good. You are saying you are still clueless about
: >: why Bombay is prospering and Calcutta is declining? OK here is another
: >: clue: When the railways were rezoned, which city saw the area it
: >: commanded (by virtue of having Zonal headquarters situated there)
: >: decrease? Still clueless? OK, start another association, and do one
: >: more year of research.
: >
: >O Bombay-o tahole Delhir dalabhukto hoyeche? Khub-i bhoyer kotha. Er por
: >shomosto deshtai kolkatake uponibesh baniye dhongsho na kore day!
: >Chintay phellen T.H babu.
: Iye, mane, Indranil, ek, there was a substantial amount of truth in
: Mr. Sanyal's last statement, tumi eriye gele kichhu karar nei,
ar dui,
Eriye na giye upay ki Apra, kothakar alochona kothay giye dNarabe shesh
porjonto? Uponibeshikota ashche ashuk. Kintu oi durbhasher upor tar
probhab jototuku tototuku porjontoi jabo ami.
: T.H babu-ta bhishon funny shonai, tumi Sanyalbabu balo na keno?
T.H. babu ki bolen? Antorikotar obhab hobe na akta?
Indranil.
Indranil DasGupta
: >: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
: >
: Sharite kam appealing dekhai - ei ki tomar mat?
Shari-r shathe kono ari nei. Onek rokom bhabe shari pora jay, tader
alada alada appeal. Ei niye probondho lekhar moto upadan ache. Amar
boktobyo shari, skirt, jeans poshakta jai hok na kano sheta porar
shadhinota ache na nei. Freedom of choice.
Indranil.
T.H.Sanyal.
Banerjee) says:
>>, T.H.Sanyal. <TH...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|>
>| ..... Where is it written
>|>that the smaller towns and villages must necessarily have worse phone
>|>system than the big cities?
> In several CCITT standards, among other places. There are 5 (or 7)
>hierarchical categories of communications servers. The ones belonging to the
>higher categories ("tall offices" onwards) are located in bigger cities.
I was referring to the users' point of view. I can call from a small
Pennsylvania town with no more trouble or lesser quality of service
than what obtains in a big US city. If in India such uniform standard
of phone service gets established, I have no reason to lament.
> ...., you WERE able to contact your
>|>friend's office by (gasp) Telephone! Doesn't seem to bolster the theory
>|>of broken down telephone system, does it?
> I flew unharmed from Calcutta to Memphis. By your logic that means
>all those bloody hacks writing stuff about airline disasters and air safety
>are plain liars -aren't they?
This has already been addressed by someone else.
> Give me a break! If you run a business will you set up your s
>headquarter
>near where most of your clients are, or 1000 miles away?
Have you ever heard of Imperial Bank of India? In post-1947 period,
the central goverment has systematically downgraded the importance of
Calcutta as a financial centre. What Calcutta lost, Bombay gained.
T.H.Sanyal.
Debarag Banerjee
(Apratim Sarkar) writes:
|>
|>>Tumi onek bariye bolcho Apra. Delhi, Bombay, Madras-e meyera sharir
|>>bondhon theke kobe mukti diyeche nijeder!
|>
|> Sharite kam appealing dekhai - ei ki tomar mat?
|>
only imagining things (too much non-desi beer, some may say)?
:-)
Debarag Banerjee
(Indranil DasGupta) writes:
|>
|>Ami Delhi-te ki ki dekhechi ta likhe cheleder matha kharap korte chai na.
|>
Apratim Sarkar
In article <3erpoj$q...@news.bu.edu>, dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
|> Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
|> : dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
|> : >Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
|> : >: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
|> : >
|>
|>
|> : Sharite kam appealing dekhai - ei ki tomar mat?
|>
|> Shari-r shathe kono ari nei. Onek rokom bhabe shari pora jay, tader
|> alada alada appeal. Ei niye probondho lekhar moto upadan ache. Amar
|> boktobyo shari, skirt, jeans poshakta jai hok na kano sheta porar
|> shadhinota ache na nei. Freedom of choice.
Swadhinata achhe bolei to amar mone hai - shari skirt jeans -
upariukto shab poshakei ami meyeder Kolkatai dekhechhi. Khub
mini skirt-e dekhini jodiyo ... amar porichito meyeder
poshakashak-er swadhinatar abhab, ba 'freedom of choice' (:-)
first night-er abortion niye discussion mone rekhechho dekhchhi
...) niye kono complaint shunini kokhano.
Tumi balechhile BDM-e meyera sharir bandhon theke mukti peye
gechhe, tai bhabchhilam shari-ta ki muktijogya bandhan? E-i ar ki.
|> Indranil.
Tumi ki particularly Kolkata-r meyeder e-i swadhinata-r abhabbodh
karte dekhechho?
Regards,
Apra.
Apratim Sarkar
>Apratim Sarkar (asa...@gatekeeper.us.oracle.com) wrote:
>: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
>: |> Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
>: |> : dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
>: |> : >: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
>: |>
>
>
>: Tumi balechhile BDM-e meyera sharir bandhon theke mukti peye
>: gechhe, tai bhabchhilam shari-ta ki muktijogya bandhan? E-i ar ki.
>
>Sheta nirbhor korche shari porihitati kamon tar upor.
Jhere kasho, Bangali meyeder soundrya niye eta katakkha na
proshongsha?
>: Tumi ki particularly Kolkata-r meyeder e-i swadhinata-r abhabbodh
>: karte dekhechho?
>
>HNa. Kolkatar meyeder jiggesh karo na?
>Oi Doyamoyi Collge-er nirjatita meyeder.
Apinihiti-abhishruti ar jeno ki shab lagiye Jogomaya to Doyamoyi
besh lagiyechho. Nirjatita doyamoyi, besh ekta jhankar dei.
>Indranil.
Regards,
Apra.
Somnath Sen
|>Ami Delhi-te ki ki dekhechi ta likhe cheleder matha kharap korte chai na.
Ki dekhechhen amrao shuni. Dilli-te etokal thaklam, kikore je chokhe
porlo na ta bhebe-i matha kharap hoye jachchhe :-)
Somnath
____________________________________________________________________________
O_O Somnath Sen
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Indranil DasGupta
: >: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
: >: |> Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
: >: |> : dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
: >: |> : >Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
: >: |> : >: dgu...@buphy.bu.edu (Indranil DasGupta) writes:
: >: |> : >
: >: |>
: >
: >
: >: Tumi balechhile BDM-e meyera sharir bandhon theke mukti peye
: >: gechhe, tai bhabchhilam shari-ta ki muktijogya bandhan? E-i ar ki.
: >:
: >
: >Sheta nirbhor korche shari porihitati kamon tar upor.
: Jhere kasho, Bangali meyeder soundrya niye eta katakkha na
: proshongsha?
Bangali-Obangalir prosno-i noy.
: >: Tumi ki particularly Kolkata-r meyeder e-i swadhinata-r abhabbodh
: >: karte dekhechho?
: >
: >HNa. Kolkatar meyeder jiggesh karo na?
: >Oi Doyamoyi Collge-er nirjatita meyeder.
: Apinihiti-abhishruti ar jeno ki shab lagiye Jogomaya to Doyamoyi
: besh lagiyechho. Nirjatita doyamoyi, besh ekta jhankar dei.
Oi ak-i holo.
Indranil.
Sambit Basu
Amar byaktigoto obhigNyota holo je kolkata-r college-gami juboti-der
95%-er poshak Salwar-kameez, shonge bahari fulkata kapoD-er folder...
Niyomito shaDi-pore meye-ra college jeto shei shotto-juge. Oboshsho ekhon
prosno uthte paare je Salwar-kameez-tao bondhon kina.
She byapar-e IDG-ke kichhu alokpaat korte onurodh kori.
Regards,
Sambit
Sravasti Gupta
It's kind of interesting to note that the same guys (or atleast one of them) who had earlier bashed up a member for trying to initiate threads on eve teasing and the north/south divide in Cal (albeit most untactfully) which lead to mud slinging/ charecter assssination of the worst kind, are participating with great enthusiasm
in this particular discussion.
Talk of taking PNPC to new heights - I think most guys excel in it when it comes to girls. Kolkatar para culture aar ki. While topics like 'Prem, padashuno aar bangaali Tarunira' generate great interst and endless discussions, the ones on literature,
music, movies and current affairs are few and far between. I, for my part, (in my limited intellectual capacity) have still not been able to figure out what the thread was all about. Prem ... Tarunira ... kader sangey kare bolunto? Tarunder sangey bolei to bodh hai. Then why this emphasis on 'Taruni'? Is it because they are the 'subject'
(or perhaps more aptly 'objects') and hence topics of discussion for the (male)
members? The silence of the female members of the group in these matters (with a few exceptions) is intriguing.
Just one more thing. Why does everything in this group revolve round Calcutta? Is that the be all and end all of Bengali culture? How about Bengalis from other parts of the state/country? And then there was this highly illuminating piece on 'greater baangla'
with a statement like 'the Baangladeshis (the alleged co-conspirators) have nothing to
lose but everything to gain'. I thought this group was also meant for our friends from
'opaar banglaa'. I have a whole lot of friends from Bangladesh and believe me, they
are very proud of their country and have no intention of forming 'a greater baangla'.
Gosh, I am sorry, I guess the correspondent must have meant Begum Zia and not the 'mazority' of Bangladeshis, but then she has also stepped down for the time being till the next election. Anyway, what I mean to say is they are too busy with all those things to be robbing India of W. Bengal (would it really be a great loss for India and a big gain for Bangladesh? :) Just wondering).
BTW, Diguda aajkaal chup keno? Tomar shuru kar kayekta thread er janyei akhono ei
groupe tinke aachi, nayile kabei unsubscribe kortam.
No hurts meant to any individual. However, you are entitled to curse me, my attitude (holier than thou etc.) and everything under the sun. After spending years in Calcutta I have hardly any feelings left for that city. I don't even care if my criticism is constructive or not, it could not mean less to me.
Cheers,
Sravasti
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"In the begining Man created God; and in the image of Man created he Him."
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Sravasti Gupta
How could I make this mistake? The 'Thank You' note!
"Ashesh dhanyabad dadara, Kolkatar nirjatita shari porihita bango bonita (bhagini ??
Hmmm, doubtful) diger karon apnaader nidra byahato hoyay ebang (bohu sahasra yojan duratwer byabadhan hayite) tahader uparyukto bandhon hayite mukti deyoar analash prayasher karon samagro naari jaati aaponadiger proti chiro kritagnya thaakibe."
And to think that there is no equivalent word for chivalry/gallantry in Bengali (that
I know of), I could be mistaken (having studied in Hindi medium)!!
Indranil DasGupta
: Dadara, ekhane akta kotha na bole thakte paarchhi na.
: Regards,
: Sambit
Sharir bondhon theke gurujonra (ei bheer-er bus-er juge) doya kore
jubotider kichuta mukti diyechen. Tobe shei udarotar pichone shaloyar
kamijer koyed-e atok korar porikolpona lukiye nei to?
Indranil.
Indranil DasGupta
: Kolkatar meyeder poshak? Sharir bandhan theke mukti? Hey, what next?
:
: It's kind of interesting to note that the same guys (or atleast one of
them) who had earlier bashed up a member for trying to initiate threads
on eve teasing and the north/south divide in Cal (albeit most
untactfully) which lead to mud slinging/ charecter assssination of the
worst kind, are participating with great enthusiasm
: in this particular discussion.
: Talk of taking PNPC to new heights - I think most guys excel in it
when it comes to girls. Kolkatar para culture aar ki. While topics like
'Prem, padashuno aar bangaali Tarunira' generate great interst and
endless discussions, the ones on literature,
: music, movies and current affairs are few and far between. I, for my
Ja bolechen!
Ei dekhun na, Apratim-er shathe Rabindranath niye lorte giye himshim
khachchi othocho keu egiye duline shahajjo korche na. Odike Thriller-er
shonga niye Sambit ghum kere nilo - du akjon chara o-line-eo kauke
dekhchi na. Othocho prem niye jodi porittajjo ekti probondho likhi tin
dine tirishti uttor ashbe. Shotti ki hoyeche amader? Ami to aashoishob
bokha, kintu onnora?
part, (in my limited intellectual capacity) have still not been able to
figure out what the thread was all about. Prem ... Tarunira ... kader
sangey kare bolunto? Tarunder sangey bolei to bodh hai. Then why this
emphasis on 'Taruni'? Is it because they are the 'subject'
`Abar tahare kano deke ano, ke hay hridoy khNure ..' bahudin pore ei
proshongo uthlo abar. Tobe tarunder kotha amar prothom lekhatite
chilo. Apnar nojor eriye gache bodhoy. Tarunider ektu beshi ashar chokhe
dekhi bolei bodhoy .. tobe tarko-ki shobshomoy gobhir hoy? Onek shomoy
romoniyo holei chole. O niye duschinta korben na. Tarunira shobar priyo.
Indranil.
Indranil DasGupta
: OOPS!
: How could I make this mistake? The 'Thank You' note!
: "Ashesh dhanyabad dadara, Kolkatar nirjatita shari porihita bango
bonita (bhagini ??
: Hmmm, doubtful) diger karon apnaader nidra byahato hoyay ebang (bohu
sahasra yojan duratwer byabadhan hayite) tahader uparyukto bandhon
hayite mukti deyoar analash prayasher karon samagro naari jaati
aaponadiger proti chiro kritagnya thaakibe."
:
: And to think that there is no equivalent word for chivalry/gallantry
in Bengali (that
: I know of), I could be mistaken (having studied in Hindi medium)!!
"Shabash beer!" bollei hobe.
Indranil.
Ananda M. Kar
>
> It's kind of interesting to note that the same guys (or atleast one of
>them) who had earlier bashed up a member for trying to initiate threads on
>eve teasing and the north/south divide in Cal (albeit most untactfully)
>which lead to mud slinging/ charecter assssination of the worst kind, are
>participating with great enthusiasm > in this particular discussion.
Are you referring to me ?? In case you are, you're mistaken. I haven't
posted a single article on the "Whither Calcutta ?" thread. If you have
a threaded newsreader like "tin" or "trn" installed, you can check the
validity of the above statement.
"Eve Teasing" is a serious societal problem and IMNSHO "meyeder siti
diychen ki" is not an appropriate Subject line to go along with it.
The same holds for "Are North Calcuttan's narrow minded" when discussing
cultural differences (if any) between people who reside in North and
South Calcutta. I was also don't find it funny, if a girl slaps a guy
after a bout of eve-teasing. I would welcome any discussion on the above
two subject, if somebody wants to initiate a serious discussion and not
one in hope of getting some cheap claps.
If you want to know what the word "bashing" really means in Usenet, and
how it's carried on I can send you a list of groups to read.
I'm amazed by your naivete, that you consider my & other's responses to
a *real* stupid post to be the "charecter assssination of the worst
kind".
Regards
Ananda
--
Ananda M. Kar | (H) 458 - 9754 | URL : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~ananda
Rajiv Kumar Shukla
Aisab spicy discussion hocche naki?
Hmmmm!!!!!! porte habe to!!! Ami ato din bhabcchilam kathin banglaye
hifi sab discussion cholcche tai thread ta du line kore pore
beriye jetam, old articles gulo khuje bar korte hocche. :-))
|>
|> It's kind of interesting to note that the same guys (or atleast one of them) who had earlier bashed up a member for trying to initiate threads on eve teasing and the north/south divide in Cal (albeit most untactfully) which lead to mud slinging/ charecter|> assssination of the worst kind, are participating with great enthusiasm
Ufff!!!! Mr. Mukherjee ke aro keu jherecche naki???
Kolkata r kono kharap khabor entertaining nay simply because none of
us will do anything about it so whatever threads you just mentioned
were nothing but craps and not to be discussed among bengalis living
10,000 miles away from Calcutta.
Girls in Calcutta, anywhere for that matter, are free to wear anything
they find comfortable and that's that.
|>
|> Talk of taking PNPC to new heights - I think most guys excel in it when it comes to girls. Kolkatar para culture aar ki. While topics like 'Prem, padashuno aar bangaali Tarunira' generate great interst and endless discussions, the ones on literature,
Kolkata r paraye kono din mishecchen je atto baro baro katha bolcchen???
Kone paraye thakten apni??? Amra keui are akhon paraye mishbar chance
pai na bole ai nay je para r adda ke look down upon korbo.
Akhono amader anek bandhu bandhob okhne roye gacche are tader moddhye
anekei PNPC kare na.
Are jodi kheyal kore thaken to dekhben "Prem Parashuna ... " ai thread ta
anek articles posted holeo participants matro 4-5 jon chilo.
|> music, movies and current affairs are few and far between. I, for my part, (in my limited intellectual capacity) have still not been able to figure out what the thread was all about. Prem ... Tarunira ... kader sangey kare bolunto? Tarunder sangey bolei t|> o bodh hai. Then why this emphasis on 'Taruni'? Is it because they are the 'subject'
|> (or perhaps more aptly 'objects') and hence topics of discussion for the (male)
|> members? The silence of the female members of the group in these matters (with a few exceptions) is intriguing.
|>
|> Just one more thing. Why does everything in this group revolve round Calcutta? Is that the be all and end all of Bengali culture? How about Bengalis from other parts of the state/country? And then there was this highly illuminating piece on 'greater baang|> la'
You have no idea about bangali culture, literature is an integral part
of culture and bengali literature has had a tremendous contributions
from prabashi bangali, so even if SCB is infested with articles on Calcutta
you need not be so naive so as to believe what you said.
Then again most of us here are from Calcutta and the news we get mostly
concerns Calcutta, most of us are interested in Calcutta because all our
relatives and friends are still there, naturally SCB is dominated by
Calcutta. If you can bring fresh air by introducing some other
city/town/village which should concern SCB, you are more than welcome.
Also it's undeniable that our culture these days revolves around Calcutta.
Once upon a time lots of educated and cultured bengalis used to go
to Paschim(West) i.e Bihar and East UP mainly, bala hoto okhaner
jal haoway sharir bhalo hay, also once upon a time cultural development
of whole of India was dominated by bengalis, Calcutta used to the capital
of India, literature,education,philosophy, civil service, politics sab
kicchutei we used to the most progressive and that's precisely why
educated middle class bengalis dared to venture out of Calcutta and
that's why we had an enormous contributions from prabashi bangali s
in our culture, but now we go out only if we are forced to.
We stick to Calcutta as long as we can and lots of us venture out of
our country. Also there has been a wide spread deterioration as far
our culture is concerned, name a few fresh and competent author, actor,
dancer, academician, politician from any part of India, I bet you won't
get even a handful.
So any discussion concerning culture ultimately degenerates into
meaningless discussions concerning a major city and its inhabitats.
The values have changed and so has the progress of culture, we are
all too much concerned about ourselves and we are scared.
How long can you talk about Rabindranath, we ought to give him a break
someday.
|> with a statement like 'the Baangladeshis (the alleged co-conspirators) have nothing to
|> lose but everything to gain'. I thought this group was also meant for our friends from
|> 'opaar banglaa'. I have a whole lot of friends from Bangladesh and believe me, they
|> are very proud of their country and have no intention of forming 'a greater baangla'.
All of us are proud of our own country and very few of have illusions
of a greater bangla, mind you India was partitioned on the basis
of religion and one of them is the most ferociously conservative
of all religions we have seen, how can you expect that you'll be
together once again, I don't think and I don't want.
Bangladesh is a country where you win an election by campaigning against
India and I hardly find them similar to people from West Bengal.
It's a damn pity that India made a mistake of giving them their
independence , they don't deserve it, they still find Pakistan to
be more pallatable.
Greater bangla will be a great loss for Westbengal, that much I can tell
you.
|> BTW, Diguda aajkaal chup keno? Tomar shuru kar kayekta thread er janyei akhono ei
|> groupe tinke aachi, nayile kabei unsubscribe kortam.
Digu da parashuna korcchen nishchoy, disturb korcchen kano :-))))
Unsubscribe kore felun, bhay dekhacchen naki?
Banglay akta katha acche HARIDAS PAL, apnake exactly tai mone hocche.
|>
|> No hurts meant to any individual. However, you are entitled to curse me, my attitude (holier than thou etc.) and everything under the sun. After spending years in Calcutta I have hardly any feelings left for that city. I don't even care if my criticism is|> constructive or not, it could not mean less to me.
Hmmmmmm, great!!!!!! akjon sangi paowa galo mone hocche :-)))))))
I assure you individuals are not hurt, nobody is cursing you, it's been
an amusing reading and all that. You certainly have the right to say
whatever your views are, it doesn't matter to Calcutta and Calcuttans.
After all it's them who suffers but its them who can enjoy DurgaPuja,
Saraswati Puja, College street, JU, Academy, Rabindrasadan, Kail Puja,
East Bengal-Mohun Bagan, its them who will ask you if you are in trouble,
its them who will come out to help you, if I or you don't care, doesn't
matter, they can do without us.
|>
|> Cheers,
|>
|> Sravasti
|>
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|> "In the begining Man created God; and in the image of Man created he Him."
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
Rajiv
Sravasti Gupta
> Kolkata r kono kharap khabor entertaining nay simply because none of
> us will do anything about it so whatever threads you just mentioned
> were nothing but craps and not to be discussed among bengalis living
> 10,000 miles away from Calcutta.
Rest assured Mr. Shukla, I happen to share exactly the same sentiments about those postings (sigh... I was trying to be sarcastic when I said he brought up the issues
(I used some euphemism for the subjects) most untactfully. Unfortunately, looks like
the sarcasm got lost on ...). My whole contention was, if those were deplorable, then
so are the ones discussing what Moonmoon Sen wore in JU campus.
> Girls in Calcutta, anywhere for that matter, are free to wear anything
> they find comfortable and that's that.
Precisely. Hence my addendum. Meyeder poshak, ebong annanya byapar tader opar chere
deyatai bodh hai banchoniya.
>
> Kolkata r paraye kono din mishecchen je atto baro baro katha bolcchen???
> Kone paraye thakten apni??? Amra keui are akhon paraye mishbar chance
> pai na bole ai nay je para r adda ke look down upon korbo.
> Akhono amader anek bandhu bandhob okhne roye gacche are tader moddhye
> anekei PNPC kare na.
:) Yes. I was fully aware of what kind of response this particular expression (para culture) was going to evoke. I know what you and most guys have to say about it - kolkatar parar adda is unmatched, ki na alochana hay shekhane, sahitya, rajneeti, worldcup, Nelson Mandela, ak kathaey sanskritir angan o pithasthan holo kolkatar parar adda. Kintu aswikar korte parben ki je tar arekta dik o aachche? Aar ta holo meye shankranto alochana o meyeder proti mantabya/katakhkho? Jiggyes kore dekhben aapnar porichito meyeder whether or not they had to face this kind of rude or boorish remark in their para or other paras. Meyeder poshak niye alochana hochche, jeans ba skirt porle ki dharaner mantabyer sammukhin hote hai ei parar chelederi kaachche beshir bhag kolkatar meyeder i ta jana aachche nischoy.
BTW, aamar kono paraye meshar i soubhagya hayeni. Keno janen, karon aami meye. Antato aami jekhane thaktam (parar naam nai ba bollam, khub ekta tarotmya habe na kothao) sekhane paraye meyeder prabeshadhikar chilo na. Tara shekhane shudhui alochya bostu, and an outsider. Kub bhul hoye geche Rajiv babu, bhule gechilam je baro baro katha balar adhikar shudhu apnader (cheleder) i aachche. Koop manduk hoye bado hayi aamra meyera, bairer jagater sangsparshe ashar odhikar simito University/college canteen er chouhaddir madhdhey. Para culture er marmo aami/aamra ki bujhbo?
THE FEELING IS STILL THERE, THAT OF BEING AN INTRUDER AND AN OUTSIDER IN A PREDOMINANTLY MALE FORUM.
> |> Talk of taking PNPC to new heights - I think most guys excel in it when it comes to (discussing) girls.
PNPC bolte aami eitai mean korechilam.
> |> music, movies and current affairs are few and far between. I, for my part, (in my limited intellectual capacity) have still not been able to figure out what the thread was all about. Prem ... Tarunira ... kader sangey kare bolunto? Tarunder sangey bolei t|> o bodh hai. Then why this emphasis on 'Taruni'? Is it because they are the 'subject'
> |> (or perhaps more aptly 'objects') and hence topics of discussion for the (male)
> |> members? The silence of the female members of the group in these matters (with a few exceptions) is intriguing.
My qustions remain unanswered.
> |> Just one more thing. Why does everything in this group revolve round Calcutta? Is that the be all and end all of Bengali culture? How about Bengalis from other parts of the state/country? And then there was this highly illuminating piece on 'greater baang|> la'
>
> You have no idea about bangali culture, literature is an integral part
> of culture and bengali literature has had a tremendous contributions
> from prabashi bangali, so even if SCB is infested with articles on Calcutta
> you need not be so naive so as to believe what you said.
No, I don't believe it and that's precisely why I put forward this question. It doesn't take much intelligence on any one's part to understand that.
> So any discussion concerning culture ultimately degenerates into
> meaningless discussions concerning a major city and its inhabitats.
> The values have changed and so has the progress of culture, we are
> all too much concerned about ourselves and we are scared.
> How long can you talk about Rabindranath, we ought to give him a break
> someday.
Right. But there is a whole lot to discuss about the contemporary authors etc. and we do have some such discuscussions occassionally.
> It's a damn pity that India made a mistake of giving them their
> independence , they don't deserve it, they still find Pakistan to
> be more pallatable.
Once again, depends on who you are talking about, the politicians, the fundamentalist leaders and the religious bigots, the common people, the middle class, the intelligentsia ....?
>
> Greater bangla will be a great loss for Westbengal, that much I can tell
> you.
You can only presume and make surmises about a hypothetical situation, you can not TELL. Anyway, the situation is too absurd to even merit a discussion.
> Digu da parashuna korcchen nishchoy, disturb korcchen kano :-))))
> Unsubscribe kore felun, bhay dekhacchen naki?
> Banglay akta katha acche HARIDAS PAL, apnake exactly tai mone hocche.
Bhay dekhabo? SCB'r harta karta bidhata aapnader mato keshto bishtu der? Matha kharap naki? Tabe ekta katha ki janen, amader mato hajar hajar Haridas(i?) Pal rai kintu democracy run kare, tai janyei Jyoti babur theke shuru kore Lallu Prasad babura porjonto tader ke ato patta diye thaken. Incidentally, that was just a personal note to Diguda who happens to be my brother's friend. But guess I shouldn't have used this forum for that (though I have seen others doing it). :)
> |>
> |> No hurts meant to any individual. However, you are entitled to curse me, my attitude (holier than thou etc.) and everything under the sun. After spending years in Calcutta I have hardly any feelings left for that city. I don't even care if my criticism is|> constructive or not, it could not mean less to me.
>
> Hmmmmmm, great!!!!!! akjon sangi paowa galo mone hocche :-)))))))
> I assure you individuals are not hurt, nobody is cursing you, it's been
> an amusing reading and all that. You certainly have the right to say
> whatever your views are, it doesn't matter to Calcutta and Calcuttans.
> After all it's them who suffers but its them who can enjoy DurgaPuja,
> Saraswati Puja, College street, JU, Academy, Rabindrasadan, Kail Puja,
> East Bengal-Mohun Bagan, its them who will ask you if you are in trouble,
> its them who will come out to help you, if I or you don't care, doesn't
> matter, they can do without us.
I don't doubt it. I don't have any problems with that. :)
> Rajiv
Just a personal note to you Rajiv (that's why I am not calling you 'Mr. Shukla' or 'Rajiv babu'), going by your earlier postings I thought you would be the last person to misunderstand what I was trying to say. I definitely did not expect you to react the way you did. Perhaps I know what your response to this is going to be, but I said what I felt.
A note to all concerned: I was really out of job after the semester and hence resorted to this utterly inane action of sending a posting which seems to have stirred a hornet's nest. I am going to be extremely busy from tomorrow onwards and hence you guys are more than welcome to tear me into pieces, for I won't be responding. Have fun. :)
partha
!Jodi notun lekhok/pathokra scb aro upobhoggyo kore tulte pare
!tahole tate Sambit, Apratim, Partho-babu-ra to khushi-i hobe/hoben.
Amar dik theke bolchi, nischoi, eksho bar.
--partho
Apratim Sarkar
>
>Dinkal aboshyo palatabe. scb kar? scb-te je lekhe, scb ke je bhalobashe
>scb tar. Jodi notun lekhok/pathokra scb aro upobhoggyo kore tulte pare
>tahole tate Sambit, Apratim, Partho-babu-ra to khushi-i hobe/hoben.
Absolutely! Antato, personally speaking ami to batei.
>Khub-i ashar kotha je puronoder lekha notunder ar bhalo lagche na. Tobe
>kina, sharakhkhon `bhalo lagche na, bhalo lagche na' kore gele ki ar
>bhalo lagbe? Oboshad eshe jete pare. Barong ja bhalo lagbe tai korar
>cheshta korlei to hoy?
Very well said.
>Indranil.
Regards,
Apra.
Sambit Basu
>Dinkal aboshyo palatabe. scb kar? scb-te je lekhe, scb ke je bhalobashe
>scb tar. Jodi notun lekhok/pathokra scb aro upobhoggyo kore tulte pare
>tahole tate Sambit, Apratim, Partho-babu-ra to khushi-i hobe/hoben.
Akshobar. Amar dik diye, bolai bahulyo.
Regards,
Sambit
ps. Jodi karur chokh eDiye giye thake, ami Jayanta Mukherjee-r
article-er suggestion-er dike dristi akorshon korchhi.