"Desh" potrikar holo ta ki????
Soumitra Bose
Eto bhaba jai na , ebarer Desh e o darun darun shob probondho , koyekti
porar moto kobita .Holo ta ki?? Desh er bikri kome gieychilo , tai
bodhoi abar ektu chagar diey otha ... ebar to dekhi Desh MAkuder thekeo
beshi bamponthi. Ami to puro flat jokhon dekhlam Probashi Anondobajar e
Birat kore "Jolarko" potrikar review beriechhe , tate Shohid kobi AMiyo
Chattopadhayay er sesh obostha r biboron o tar sei bojkhyato kobita
"TUMI MANUSH , SEI HOK TOMAR SUNDOROTOMO BISFORON" .. Eshob ki hochhye
, bhabai jai na , byabshar jonno holeo eta to darun powa .... Ki jani
suryo sei purbo dikei othe to ??????? Ekhon to Desh ritimoto porte
bhalo lagchhe . Amar ek Nettor bondhu to bole eta Sunili HArkoti , Ek
dhoroner chokranto (Kobita chapano niye Sunil Shakti r sei ghorotoro
chapan utor mone achhye to?) Nijer ta chara ar shob bhushi mal chapale
loke shudhu Sunil kei debota bhabbe ...Ja hok shob kemon jeno ektu
beshi bhalo bhalo thekchhe , otai chintai phele ....
Dasgupta
Tothyer karone janano:
1.Desh-er kobita goto char bochchor dhorey Joy (Goswami)
dekhchchey.
2.Shankha Ghosh deergho baro bochchor por (1982-94) pher
uporodhey Desh-e likhchchen. Ekjon Robindro-joyonti
shongkhya ene dilen shedin, taate "Bhinnoruchir Odhikar"
naame ta(n)r oshadharon ekta probondho poRlam.
3.Sibnarayan Ray Jijnasar baire jekhane lekhen sheta Desh.
4.Maku party-r Joydeb Boshu-o Desh-e likhchchey ekhon.
E-shotteo Protishthaan-er kono choritro da(n)rate parena. Posharini posharini-i
theke jay. Tar nana shomoye nana chchol.
Mushkil holo, ar to keu da(n)Rate parchchena biporite. Protishthaan-er
birudhdhey to ar Protishthaan toiri kora jayna. Tobu amar bishwash
brithoth banglar onyotomo sreshtho kobira o godyokar-ra ekhono Desh-er baire
likhchchen. Udahoron: Goutom Boshu, Nirmal Haldar, mridul Dasgupta, Goutom
Choudhuri...
Shoumyo.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Dasgupta <TXD...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Tothyer karone janano:
>
> >E-shotteo Protishthaan-er kono choritro da(n)rate parena.
>
> with a capital "E".
>
Yes.
> I don't understand the meaning of the above sentence you wrote. Of >course
> "protishTHan"-er ekTa nijoswo choritro thake | PratishTHanik choritro |
> "Desh" potrikar-o seirokom sohoje nirniyo choritro aachhe | ekhon sei
> choritro tomar bhalo na lagte pare (amaro lage na) | kintu seTa onyo
> kotha | "choritro nei" ei kotha-Ta orthoheen ebong bhul |
Sayan, amra jokhon ei bakyobondho-ti Banglay byabohar kori, tokhon ki
etai boltey chaina, jey, je-choritro aachchey, sheta amar pochchonder
noy ?
Tumi byakoron-er truti dhorchcho, na baagdhaara-shongshodhon korchcho ?
>
> >Mushkil holo, ar to keu da(n)Rate parchchena biporite.
>
> You cannot force these things to happen.
Who is forcing ?
> These things happen according
> to the laws of history. We are currently living in a period where it
> is the Reaction which is strong. So obviously papers which are >spokespersons
> for Reaction will be stronger in this era. In another historical >period
> when the Reaction is weaker, ei sob kagojera pichhu hoTe jabe | eTa-i niyom.
Thik.
> Culture belongs to a superstructure which is determined historically by the
> economic base. The superstructure can change only when the base changes.
> Major changes in culture are always accompanied by changes in economic systems
> ( a great example of this is the rise of the novel as a literary form : in
> almost every society, the rise of the novel (a superstructural phenomenon)
> is associated with the transition from feudal society to capitalist society
> (a basal transition)).
>
Purota bujhlam na. Aro boRo korey chchaRo.
> Your problem is that you are expecting the superstructure to change >even
> before the base changes. So you are putting the cart before the horse
> when you express this expectation.
>
Tothyo ei je, brihoth Banglar odhikangsho kobi o godyokar, janra naki
"Deshobroti"-der tulonay Dher shoktishali bole ami mone kori, tanra
Little-magazine-e likhchchen.
> >Protishthaan-er
> >birudhdhey to ar Protishthaan toiri kora jayna.
>
> Why not? I think it is possible in many cases. For example, the power
> of corporations (an Establishment) is routinely challenged by trade
> unions (another Establishment). The power of the feudal aristocracy
> (an Establishment) was successfully challenged in history by the
> capitalist nation-state (another Establishment), which made the transition
> from feudalism to capitalism possible. There are many other examples as
> well.
>
Prothomoto, toiri kora jayna boltey ami uchit noy bujhiyechchi. Abar
amar line-ta poRo amake bishshash korey.
TachchaRah, Sayan, Shahityo o shilpo ruchir proshno, ruji-r noy. Tomar
byakhyan aartho-shamajik porikathamor khetre to oboshyoi shotyo.
> What you are saying makes sense only if you add a qualifier : namely that,
> "in the present time that we are living in, the conditions are not ripe
> for creating another Establishment to challenge the current >Establishment".
> But this does not mean that it is impossible _in principle_.
No, I repeat what I am saying:
1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
2. Anandabajar, as an establishment, have NOT been able to maintain a
definite "character". Of course, one could say, "no character" is some
sort of character. But then that will be playing with words.
3. Far from the madding crowd of publicity, a vast majority of poets and
prose-writers are continuing to create. Only time will prove their
mettle.
Regards,
Shoumyo.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> Eta jodi sotyi hoi tobe boli Joy er nirbachoner ruchir opor amar shob
> shrodha chole gelo ...MAtro koyeekta (duto ) Desh e kichu porar jogyo
> kobita pelam ..Ager gulote she ki ghas khachhilo ?
>
Thik-i to.
> >
> > 2.Shankha Ghosh deergho baro bochchor por
> (1982-94) pher
> > uporodhey Desh-e likhchchen. Ekjon
> Robindro-joyonti
> > shongkhya ene dilen shedin, taate "Bhinnoruchir
> Odhikar"
> > naame ta(n)r oshadharon ekta probondho poRlam.
> >
>
> Eta ki kore hostogoto kora jai ???/
>
Tupun-ke pathiyechchi ekta copy. Tomader to adda hoy, or kaachch theke
poRey niyo.
> > 3.Sibnarayan Ray Jijnasar baire jekhane lekhen
> >sheta Desh.
> .....
> Din dini Shibanrayan babu ekjon pati marketing
> reactionary hoie uthchhen . onr oudhottyo Jyoti boshu keo chariye jai,
> Onr Biplob o Biborton proshongye Jijgnasa ti r moto eto reactionary
> ebong baje sonkhya gota Poschim BAnglai beriechhe kina sondheyo ....
"Bhinnoruchir Odhikar" poRar por tomar oporer montobyoguli poriborton
korte chao kina jigyesh korbo.
> E public ke Maku party bhaoli dhorechhe , Joydeb somproti Ganoshokti
> keo besh bhodroshto koreche dekha jachhe ..
Othocho Joydeb amake 1990-teo jorgolay bolechchey (Krishna-nagar kobi
shommelon-e) jey Desh ba Anandabajar-er kono shonkhyay o kokhono
lekheni, likhbena, karon Desh naki "Congressi-der kagoj".
........
Shoumyo.
Naeem Mohaiemen
Soumitra Bose wrote:
>Desh MAkuder thekeo beshi bamponthi.
Nahhh.. a bit blinded by your enthusiasm I think. O hothe deri.
>Nijer ta chara ar shob bhushi mal chapale loke shudhu Sunil kei debota bhabbe
Shunil ekta gobet, debotha noi kokhonoi..
Naeem
sayan bhattacharyya
Dasgupta <TXD...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>Tothyer karone janano:
>E-shotteo Protishthaan-er kono choritro da(n)rate parena.
I take it that you use the word "protisTHan" as a synonym for "Establishment"
with a capital "E".
I don't understand the meaning of the above sentence you wrote. Of course
"protishTHan"-er ekTa nijoswo choritro thake | PratishTHanik choritro |
"Desh" potrikar-o seirokom sohoje nirniyo choritro aachhe | ekhon sei
choritro tomar bhalo na lagte pare (amaro lage na) | kintu seTa onyo
kotha | "choritro nei" ei kotha-Ta orthoheen ebong bhul |
>Mushkil holo, ar to keu da(n)Rate parchchena biporite.
You cannot force these things to happen. These things happen according
to the laws of history. We are currently living in a period where it
is the Reaction which is strong. So obviously papers which are spokespersons
for Reaction will be stronger in this era. In another historical period
when the Reaction is weaker, ei sob kagojera pichhu hoTe jabe | eTa-i niyom.
Culture belongs to a superstructure which is determined historically by the
economic base. The superstructure can change only when the base changes.
Major changes in culture are always accompanied by changes in economic systems
( a great example of this is the rise of the novel as a literary form : in
almost every society, the rise of the novel (a superstructural phenomenon)
is associated with the transition from feudal society to capitalist society
(a basal transition)).
Your problem is that you are expecting the superstructure to change even
before the base changes. So you are putting the cart before the horse
when you express this expectation.
>Protishthaan-er
>birudhdhey to ar Protishthaan toiri kora jayna.
Why not? I think it is possible in many cases. For example, the power
of corporations (an Establishment) is routinely challenged by trade
unions (another Establishment). The power of the feudal aristocracy
(an Establishment) was successfully challenged in history by the
capitalist nation-state (another Establishment), which made the transition
from feudalism to capitalism possible. There are many other examples as
well.
What you are saying makes sense only if you add a qualifier : namely that,
Soumitra Bose
In <96279.183...@psuvm.psu.edu> Dasgupta <TXD...@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:
>Tothyer karone janano:
>
> 1.Desh-er kobita goto char bochchor dhorey Joy
(Goswami)
> dekhchchey.
Eta jodi sotyi hoi tobe boli Joy er nirbachoner ruchir opor amar shob
shrodha chole gelo ...MAtro koyeekta (duto ) Desh e kichu porar jogyo
kobita pelam ..Ager gulote she ki ghas khachhilo ?
>
> 2.Shankha Ghosh deergho baro bochchor por
(1982-94) pher
> uporodhey Desh-e likhchchen. Ekjon
Robindro-joyonti
> shongkhya ene dilen shedin, taate "Bhinnoruchir
Odhikar"
> naame ta(n)r oshadharon ekta probondho poRlam.
>
Eta ki kore hostogoto kora jai ???/
> 3.Sibnarayan Ray Jijnasar baire jekhane lekhen
sheta Desh.
Shibnarayan Royer ullekh kono bhabei kono potrikar shobha beshi bhabe
bordhon kore na . Amar mote Anadondobajar ei muhurte Shibnaryan babau r
theke beshi progressive role play korchhe , mani seta sudhui byaboshar
jonne , tai ba kom ki .Din dini Shibanrayan babu ekjon pati marketing
reactionary hoie uthchhen . onr oudhottyo Jyoti boshu keo chariye jai,
Onr Biplob o Biborton proshongye Jijgnasa ti r moto eto reactionary
ebong baje sonkhya gota Poschim BAnglai beriechhe kina sondheyo ....
> 4.Maku party-r Joydeb Boshu-o Desh-e likhchchey
ekhon.
E public ke Maku party bhaoli dhorechhe , Joydeb somproti Ganoshokti
keo besh bhodroshto koreche dekha jachhe ..
>E-shotteo Protishthaan-er kono choritro da(n)rate parena. Posharini
posharini-i
>theke jay. Tar nana shomoye nana chchol.
Eta to bilokshon sotyi . Moja ta hochhe posharini r interest bajare r
popular bostu ke chiniye dei , tahole ki O-pratishtanic bampontha ekhon
BAnglai kachhe beshi . etai to ashar ar mojar kotha . Anando bajar
Mussalman Modhyobitto o o-pratishtanic bam der niye ektu jeno mtechhe
mone hochhye .
>
>Mushkil holo, ar to keu da(n)Rate parchchena biporite. Protishthaan-er
>birudhdhey to ar Protishthaan toiri kora jayna. Tobu amar bishwash
>brithoth banglar onyotomo sreshtho kobira o godyokar-ra ekhono Desh-er
baire
>likhchchen. Udahoron: Goutom Boshu, Nirmal Haldar, mridul Dasgupta,
Goutom
>Choudhuri...
>
Setai ekmatro ashar kotha . AJO BANGLA PORTISHTAN KE PATTA DEI NA .
Eta tike jaak etai amader obhipsha .
>Shoumyo.
Soumitra Bose
In <537d0l$9...@news.eecs.umich.edu> bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu
>
"Establishment"
>with a capital "E".
>
>I don't understand the meaning of the above sentence you wrote. Of
course
>"protishTHan"-er ekTa nijoswo choritro thake | PratishTHanik choritro
|
>"Desh" potrikar-o seirokom sohoje nirniyo choritro aachhe | ekhon sei
>choritro tomar bhalo na lagte pare (amaro lage na) | kintu seTa onyo
>kotha | "choritro nei" ei kotha-Ta orthoheen ebong bhul |
>
>
>
>>birudhdhey to ar Protishthaan toiri kora jayna.
>
>of corporations (an Establishment) is routinely challenged by trade
>unions (another Establishment). The power of the feudal aristocracy
>(an Establishment) was successfully challenged in history by the
>capitalist nation-state (another Establishment), which made the
transition
>from feudalism to capitalism possible. There are many other examples
as
>well.
>
>What you are saying makes sense only if you add a qualifier : namely
that,
>"in the present time that we are living in, the conditions are not
ripe
>for creating another Establishment to challenge the current
Establishment".
>But this does not mean that it is impossible _in principle_.
>
>
>
>
pathorer moto danriye jai majhe majhe manush diye take jothajotho purge
na korle , Eto gelo ek skholito Tao master er kotha , purbo Europer ek
swalpo jana aro swalpo karjokori Tao master bolechilen "amra protishtan
toiri kori ei jonno je bhobiswate jeno protishtan er kono proyojon na
hoi, protimuhurte amader karjodhara protishtan ke ektu ektu kore
bhange".Mojata hochhye Protishtan ke bridhangushtho dekhiye sat er
doshoker bojro nirghosh kintu birat ek bajar ar andolon toiri
korechilo, ptoishtan kunkre gechilo, "Desh" timi tim kore cholto,
Protisshtan gorar dorkar hoini, ajker little magazine andolon sei
andoloneri folshruti . onek to protisdhtan holo , ebar ektu
swabolilotar , khola howa bohuk !!!!
Soumitra Bose
In <325851...@hbo.com> Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com>
writes:
Mojata okhanei , BAngladeshe Sunil to ekebare Devota r Somman pai ,
okhankar progotisheel bamponthidero dekhechi little magazine poreneni
na ,Tader living room e "Desh" sthan pai , Sunil America e ele
bangldesheerai dekhi matamati kore , ekjon to NY er NAjmul ar arek dol
oi Probahsi r bashi intellectual goshthi ..Sala Birombona ekei bole .
sayan bhattacharyya
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Sayan, amra jokhon ei bakyobondho-ti Banglay byabohar kori, tokhon ki
>etai boltey chaina, jey, je-choritro aachchey, sheta amar pochchonder
>noy ?
Okay, now I understand.
The reason I was too emphatic about it was that "kono choritro nei"
jateeyo kotha bolle onek somoye ekTa tachchhilyer bhab ese jay | The reality
is that the Reaction does have a very distinct and very significant character.
If we are at all to contest and challenge the hegemonic Reaction as represented
by Desh and the like, it is _very_ important that we comprehend and understand
this character very well (the "know your enemy" principle).
>> >Mushkil holo, ar to keu da(n)Rate parchchena biporite.
>>
>> You cannot force these things to happen.
>
>Who is forcing ?
I meant that your _expectation_ was not realistic.
>> Culture belongs to a superstructure which is determined historically by the
>> economic base. The superstructure can change only when the base changes.
>> Major changes in culture are always accompanied by changes in economic systems
>> ( a great example of this is the rise of the novel as a literary form : in
>> almost every society, the rise of the novel (a superstructural phenomenon)
>> is associated with the transition from feudal society to capitalist society
>> (a basal transition)).
>>
>
>Purota bujhlam na. Aro boRo korey chchaRo.
Okay, here's my spiel on this issue.
Cultural production (the writing of essays, novels, poems, ... or making music,
or ...) cannot be dissociated from the conditions in which it is produced.
Because (individual or collective) cultural creators are people living in
society, their production is necessarily influenced by the character of
the society that they live in, and more specifically by the property relations
and production relations existing in that society.
For example, in a feudal society where cultural production is based on
patronage (e.g. Kalidas writing for Vikramaditya), you will see one kind
of production. In an emerging mercantile-capitalist society where cultural
production is based on sale of tickets (Shakespeare writing for the GLobe
Theater) you will get another kind of cultural production. Kalidas cannot
write like Shakespeare, nor the other way round. It is simply impossible.
Thus the dominant mode of cultural production is overdetermined in each
epoch by economics. It is historically inevitable.
This, in a nutshell, is the structuralist-determinist view of cultural
production. (My own view is closer to a somewhat modified view of the
above incorporating suggestions made by Gramsci, but I won't go into
that; for the present purposes, the above simplistic view is sufficient).
How does this relate to the discussion about Desh? My contention is that
in the current epoch that we are living in, economics overdetermines
that the kind of schlock that you get as standard Desh magazine fare _is_
the dominant mode of cultural production. You cannot successfully contest the
hegemonic dominance of this mode of discourse without contesting the
economic substructure that provides the base for this mode of cultural
production.
To put everything in a sound-bite : the bottom line is that you cannot change
culture without changing society.
> Tothyo ei je, brihoth Banglar odhikangsho kobi o godyokar, janra naki
>"Deshobroti"-der tulonay Dher shoktishali bole ami mone kori, tanra
>Little-magazine-e likhchchen.
Ah... but how influential are they? How many read them? Very few. They
are certainly not in a position to successfully mount a challenge to the
hegemonic discourse of the Establishment, and never will be, unless society
changes first. This is what I meant when I said that there was a cart-before
-the-horse situation in what you wrote.
>Prothomoto, toiri kora jayna boltey ami uchit noy bujhiyechchi.
Keno uchit noy? I very much think we should create new Establishments
to contest Establishments we dislike. We can dismantle the new Establishments
later.
The problem is, you cannot mount a challenge to the Establishment without
building a comparable contesting Establishment first.
>TachchaRah, Sayan, Shahityo o shilpo ruchir proshno, ruji-r noy.
Shoumyo, it seems we have a fundamental disagreement here.
I think that
_ruchi_ is completely determined by _ruji_ i.e. by economics (in the sense
that any cultural artifact that one creates or consumes is ipso facto
influenced by the class character of the relations of production which
the said cultural artifact is a product of and inhabits.
>Tomar
>byakhyan aartho-shamajik porikathamor khetre to oboshyoi shotyo.
My claim is that it is equally valid for cultural production as well.
>1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
>shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
My claim is that even if their numbers marginally increase, their discourse
cannot assume a hegemonic position in society (or displace Ananadabazar and
their likes from their current hegemonic position) unless the property and
production relations within society change first. Otherwise, they will
either die out or be eventually co-opted into Anandabazar-like modes.
>3. Far from the madding crowd of publicity, a vast majority of poets and
>prose-writers are continuing to create.
They are irrelevant.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>
> Ah... but how influential are they? How many read them? Very few. They
> are certainly not in a position to successfully mount a challenge to the
>
Was Jibanananda "influential" in his time ? Is Aloke Sarkar
"influential" now? Did many people read Jibanananda in his time ? Was he
a Sunil/Sakti type popular poet ? Is Aloke Sarkar "popular" ? How many
people read him now ? Does it make his poetry "bad" ? What are your
parameters for measuring good literature ? Is it by the "number" of
people reading it ?
I have reasons to believe that both proved /will prove their mettle in
the test of time.
Why do you have to "influence" "people" ?
>
>
> Shoumyo, it seems we have a fundamental disagreement here.
>
> I think that
> _ruchi_ is completely determined by _ruji_ i.e. by economics (in the >sense
> that any cultural artifact that one creates or consumes is ipso facto
> influenced by the class character of the relations of production which
> the said cultural artifact is a product of and inhabits.
>
I see your point about this one. I was thinking from another
perspective.
>
> >1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
> >shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
>
> My claim is that even if their numbers marginally increase, their >discourse
> cannot assume a hegemonic position in society (or displace Ananadabazar >
Did I say or express any expectation that the Little-Magazine
andolon aims for a hegemonic position in the society? Don't you know
about Little Magazine movement ?
>and
> their likes from their current hegemonic position) unless the property and
> production relations within society change first. Otherwise, they will
> either die out or be eventually co-opted into Anandabazar-like modes.
>
> >3. Far from the madding crowd of publicity, a vast majority of poets and
> >prose-writers are continuing to create.
>
> They are irrelevant.
So was Jibanananda in the 40's. So is ALoke Sarkar even in the 90's.
Irrelevance to you or the "populace" you talk about here does not mean
shambles...
Naeem Mohaiemen
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> Mojata okhanei , BAngladeshe Sunil to ekebare Devota r Somman pai ,
> okhankar progotisheel bamponthidero dekhechi little magazine poreneni
> na ,Tader living room e "Desh" sthan pai
Moteo na. She thomar bondhu-bandhob er majhe hoitho.. :-)
Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
"Shunil er boi lungi r motho
Porthe aram lage
Kinthun eta pore baire jaowa jai na"
[Subbing Shunil for Humayun]
Arnab Gupta
Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
..[deleted]..
>Was Jibanananda "influential" in his time ? Is Aloke Sarkar
>"influential" now? Did many people read Jibanananda in his time ? Was he
>a Sunil/Sakti type popular poet ? Is Aloke Sarkar "popular" ? How many
>people read him now ? Does it make his poetry "bad" ? What are your
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>parameters for measuring good literature ? Is it by the "number" of
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>people reading it ?
What, in your opinion, are those parameters ?
..[deleted]..
>
> >1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
> >shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
>
Taholey, *jNara Anandabajar poren, tNara boka*, eita amra `assume' korey
nebo ? Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
and tasteful' ? Ei buddhiman-boka - r `classification'er bhitti-ta ki,
sheta shommondhhe ektu bistarito jantey chaichhi|
Regards,
Arnab.
T.H.Sanyal.
In article <325860...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>, Shoumyo Dasgupta
<txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> says:
>Othocho Joydeb amake 1990-teo jorgolay bolechchey (Krishna-nagar kobi
>shommelon-e) jey Desh ba Anandabajar-er kono shonkhyay o kokhono
>lekheni, likhbena, karon Desh naki "Congressi-der kagoj".
Do I detect a slight note of disapproval of the said Joydeb here?
[I don't know who this person is]. Even if Desh can be characterized
as a pro-Congress or pro-Establishment outfit, I see no reason not
to try publishing there one's own viewpoint, because that way one can
reach a wider audience. New York Times does not publish views against
the Establishment as a routine matter, but sometimes they might
provide a crack, and if they do, it would be foolish not to take
advantage of that, IMO.
ths.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Arnab Gupta wrote:
>
> Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >parameters for measuring good literature ? Is it by the "number" of
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >people reading it ?
>
> What, in your opinion, are those parameters ?
>
> ..[deleted]..
>
This would ensue a LONG dialogue which I definitely want to, but do not
have the time to, get into -- I am defending my proposal in two weeks.
However, Good literature, in my opinion, does not necessarily have
anything to do with "popularity". Example : Satinath BhaduRi's
"Dho(n)Rai-Chorit-Manosh". How many people have read it ? It is
considered to be a classic by the academia and the serious reader.
Another example is Kamalkumar Mojumdar. Some others are : Amiyobhushon
Mojumdar, Jagadish Gupta.
> >
> > >1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
> > >shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
> >
>
> Taholey, *jNara Anandabajar poren, tNara boka*, eita amra `assume' >korey nebo ?
Na. Ta to bolini. Bolechchi, Anadabajar-er baireo ekta bipul
shahityo-chorcha-r srot boye cholechchey, jeta Anondobajar-er moto
byaboshayik kagoj-er procharer obhabe jonota-r lokhkhey aashchchena,
kintu shahityo-akranto-der chokh eRayna. Serious pathok khunje nyan,
eirokom shob kaaj.
> Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
> and tasteful' ?
Sheta oboshyoi anekangshey thik. Little magazine janra poRchchen,
ta(n)ra rongbahari molaat-er upodrob ograjhjhyo korei khunje niyechchen
mononsheel kagoj.
> Ei buddhiman-boka - r `classification'er bhitti-ta ki,
> sheta shommondhhe ektu bistarito jantey chaichhi|
>
Bhai tumi torko korchcho na bidrup korchcho bujhlamna. Ami kintu kauke
boka bolini. Bolechchi Bajari shahityer baireo budhdhiman lekhok-pathok
aachchen. Kothar khunt na dhorey bishoytake dhorle amader shubidhey hoy.
> Regards,
> Arnab.
Regards,
Shoumyo.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
I am not talking about essays or views, just poetry or fiction. Views
expressed in such prose or poetry are often cryptic, and taking a crack
does not serve any good to anyone, except engulfing the participant to
be identified with the Establishment.
Shoumyo.
Sambit Basu
Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
Kano?
Sambit
Sambit Basu
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> writes:
>However, Good literature, in my opinion, does not necessarily have
>anything to do with "popularity". Example : Satinath BhaduRi's
>"Dho(n)Rai-Chorit-Manosh". How many people have read it ? It is
>considered to be a classic by the academia and the serious reader.
>Another example is Kamalkumar Mojumdar. Some others are : Amiyobhushon
>Mojumdar, Jagadish Gupta.
Taar akta karon ki eta noy je eguli somoy-utteerno?
Amiyobhushan chhaDa jNader naam korle tNara shokole-i
kolom thamiyechhe besh kichhudin holo.
Notun je sahityo-kormi-der kotha tumi bolchho, eNder
kojon she porikkha-y boshechhen?
>Na. Ta to bolini. Bolechchi, Anadabajar-er baireo ekta bipul
>shahityo-chorcha-r srot boye cholechchey, jeta Anondobajar-er moto
>byaboshayik kagoj-er procharer obhabe jonota-r lokhkhey aashchchena,
>kintu shahityo-akranto-der chokh eRayna. Serious pathok khunje nyan,
>eirokom shob kaaj.
Torker khatir-e, sref torke-r khaatir-e jodi ekotha-ta
bola hoy je ei dhushor-shongNya-r "serious pathok" ashole
ekti jonaador-nirbashito goshthi, jNara nijeder ohom
bhashiye rakte ei "seriousness" byaparti srishti korechhe!
Ami bolte chaichhi, bhalo sahityo maane-i je ojonopriyo
hote hobe taar ki kono bishesh karon aachhe? Ba jonopriyo
hole-i sheti shu-sahityo hote paarbena, taar?
Jodi-o amar byaktigoto mot, Desh-er golpo-kobita opathyo
hoye gyachhe.
Sambit
ps. Proposal defence-er jonne shubhechcha.
Arnab Gupta
Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>>
>> Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
>>
>> ..[deleted]..
>>
>> What are your
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >parameters for measuring good literature ? Is it by the "number" of
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >people reading it ?
>>
>> What, in your opinion, are those parameters ?
>>
>> ..[deleted]..
>>
>
>This would ensue a LONG dialogue which I definitely want to, but do not
>have the time to, get into -- I am defending my proposal in two weeks.
>
Amar antorik shubhechha roilo.
>However, Good literature, in my opinion, does not necessarily have
>anything to do with "popularity". Example : Satinath BhaduRi's
>"Dho(n)Rai-Chorit-Manosh". How many people have read it ? It is
>considered to be a classic by the academia and the serious reader.
>Another example is Kamalkumar Mojumdar. Some others are : Amiyobhushon
>Mojumdar, Jagadish Gupta.
>
Ei `bhalo shahityo' byaparta amar kachhe ektu odbhut thyake| `Bhalo'
byaparta to `apekhhik', tai na ?
>> >
>> > >1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
>> > >shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
>> >
>>
>> Taholey, *jNara Anandabajar poren, tNara boka*, eita amra `assume' >korey nebo
>Na. Ta to bolini. Bolechchi, Anadabajar-er baireo ekta bipul
>shahityo-chorcha-r srot boye cholechchey, jeta Anondobajar-er moto
>byaboshayik kagoj-er procharer obhabe jonota-r lokhkhey aashchchena,
>kintu shahityo-akranto-der chokh eRayna. Serious pathok khunje nyan,
>eirokom shob kaaj.
>
>
Tomar kothatai `intelligent and tasteful'er shonge `Anandabajar na
porar' aykta jogajog achhe mone hoyechhilo| Sahityo `ruchir
proshno', dudin agey tumii bolechho, tai bodhoi oi kothata
bhalo lageni| Amar mone hoi ke ki porbe eta nijoshho byapar,
`bhinnoruchir odhikaar'; shekhaney Komol Majumdar porle
ba little magazine porlei `serious pathok' -erokom bhabata
thik na . (Tumi bhabchho ta bolchhina, eta general comment).
>> Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
>> and tasteful' ?
>
>Sheta oboshyoi anekangshey thik. Little magazine janra poRchchen,
>ta(n)ra rongbahari molaat-er upodrob ograjhjhyo korei khunje niyechchen
>mononsheel kagoj.
Tumi taholey bolchho je loker byaktigoto shahityo-ruchi'r erokom
bhalo-kharap stor toiri kora jai ?
>
>> Ei buddhiman-boka - r `classification'er bhitti-ta ki,
>> sheta shommondhhe ektu bistarito jantey chaichhi|
>>
>Bhai tumi torko korchcho na bidrup korchcho bujhlamna. Ami kintu kauke
>boka bolini. Bolechchi Bajari shahityer baireo budhdhiman lekhok-pathok
>aachchen. Kothar khunt na dhorey bishoytake dhorle amader shubidhey hoy.
Bidrup korchhi na, sherokom mone hoye thhakle du:khito| Ki boi
porbo ba porbo na - eta amar kachhe aykebarei byektigoto ruchi-r
proshno| Shekhan thheke dNaDiye onye-r pochhondo-ke chhoto korey
dyakha ba nijertakey `intelligent and tasteful' bhabata amar
kachhe ektu odbhut thyake|
Regards,
Arnab.
sayan bhattacharyya
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>> Do I detect a slight note of disapproval of the said Joydeb here?
>> [I don't know who this person is]. Even if Desh can be characterized
>> as a pro-Congress or pro-Establishment outfit, I see no reason not
>> to try publishing there one's own viewpoint, because that way one can
>> reach a wider audience. New York Times does not publish views against
>> the Establishment as a routine matter, but sometimes they might
>> provide a crack, and if they do, it would be foolish not to take
>> advantage of that, IMO.
>
>I am not talking about essays or views, just poetry or fiction. Views
>expressed in such prose or poetry are often cryptic, and taking a crack
>does not serve any good to anyone,
Shoumyo,
I don't understand you at all. You were complaining earlier (rightly)
that Desh usually publishes second-rate material as literature. Now
Desh does have a wide circulation. So if a crack appears where you
can get some first-rate material in into the pages of Desh, then the
wide readership of Desh will get a chance to be exposed to this
first-rate material. So far from "not serving any good to anyone",
the rare publication of good literature _will_ indeed do good to
this large readership of Desh (insofar as good literature can be
presumed to do good to people).
> except engulfing the participant to
> be identified with the Establishment.
It seems to me that you have got your priorities wrong. The priority
should be to _ not become_ a part of the Establishment; whether one is
_identified_ or not by other people as part of the Establishment should
not be such a big concern. If _you_ know that you are not selling out,
why should you care whether _other people_ think you are selling out
or not, or whether _they_ identify you with the Establishment or not ?
dayboddhota jinish-Ta to orokom lok-dekhani jinish noy (ontoto howa
uchit noy) | nijer "progressive image" bojay roilo kina ei niye jNara
matradhik chintito tNader borabor sondeher chokhe dekhi |
Soumitra Bose
In <325905...@hbo.com> Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com>
writes:
>Soumitra Bose wrote:
>> Mojata okhanei , BAngladeshe Sunil to ekebare Devota r Somman pai ,
>> okhankar progotisheel bamponthidero dekhechi little magazine
poreneni
>> na ,Tader living room e "Desh" sthan pai
>
>Moteo na. She thomar bondhu-bandhob er majhe hoitho.. :-)
>
>
> Porthe aram lage
> Kinthun eta pore baire jaowa jai na"
>
>[Subbing Shunil for Humayun]
anadobajar potrika bole Sunil er boi BAngladeshe beshi bikri hoiecheh..
Apratim Sarkar
Arnab'ke ami bolechhi:
> PS: Dudin age je bolle strip tease kaththak'r theke "bhalo", shetake
> tomar e'i post'r shange reconcile korte ashubidhe hochche.
Oops! "bhalo"'ta "kharap" habe.
Apra.
--
Paramagati, tomar hashi chokhe Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
Hridaye neel dheu balo ke rokhe? are my own and shouldn't be construed in
- Bishnu Dey. any way to represent that of my employer.
Arnab Gupta
Apratim likhechhe
Eshechhe!!! eshechhe!!! Phirey eshechhe!!!
Kotodin badey tomar shonge dyakha holo Apratim ? Dyakho kando ! shesh
ki kotha hoyechhe, tao guliye phelechho| Hobey na ??!! Sheki ajker kotha
re bhai!
Arnab.
Apratim Sarkar
Sambit bolechhe:
>Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>
>>Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>
> Kano?
BaRo hole bujhte parbe Sambit ...
> Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
(Arnab Gupta) writes:
>Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
>
>>Arnab Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>> Shoumya Dasgupta wrote:
>>>
>>> What are your
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >parameters for measuring good literature ? Is it by the "number" of
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >people reading it ?
>>>
>>> What, in your opinion, are those parameters ?
>>Good literature, in my opinion, does not necessarily have
>>anything to do with "popularity". Example : Satinath BhaduRi's
>>"Dho(n)Rai-Chorit-Manosh". How many people have read it ? It is
>>considered to be a classic by the academia and the serious reader.
>>Another example is Kamalkumar Mojumdar. Some others are : Amiyobhushon
>>Mojumdar, Jagadish Gupta.
>>
>
>Ei `bhalo shahityo' byaparta amar kachhe ektu odbhut thyake| `Bhalo'
>byaparta to `apekhhik', tai na ?
Arnab, "in my opinion" bala manei ki apekkhikata shwikar kore neowa
noi?
>>> > >1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
>>> > >shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
>>>
>>> Taholey, *jNara Anandabajar poren, tNara boka*, eita amra `assume' >korey nebo
>
>>Na. Ta to bolini. Bolechchi, Anadabajar-er baireo ekta bipul
>>shahityo-chorcha-r srot boye cholechchey, jeta Anondobajar-er moto
>>byaboshayik kagoj-er procharer obhabe jonota-r lokhkhey aashchchena,
>>kintu shahityo-akranto-der chokh eRayna. Serious pathok khunje nyan,
>>eirokom shob kaaj.
>>
>
>Tomar kothatai `intelligent and tasteful'er shonge `Anandabajar na
>porar' aykta jogajog achhe mone hoyechhilo|
Anandabajar paRa niye deep rooted inferiority complex na thakle
emon'ti mone habar to katha noi!
>>> Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
>>> and tasteful' ?
Little magazine na paRa niye deep-rooted inferiority complex na
thakle emonti'o mone habar to katha noi!
>Regards,
>Arnab.
Regards,
Apratim.
PS: Dudin age je bolle strip tease kaththak'r theke "bhalo", shetake
tomar e'i post'r shange reconcile korte ashubidhe hochche.
PPS: Bujhtei parchho, release over. Ma abar dekha diyechhen.
Arnab Gupta
>>>Good literature, in my opinion, does not necessarily have
>>>anything to do with "popularity". Example : Satinath BhaduRi's
>>>"Dho(n)Rai-Chorit-Manosh". How many people have read it ? It is
>>>considered to be a classic by the academia and the serious reader.
>>>Another example is Kamalkumar Mojumdar. Some others are : Amiyobhushon
>>>Mojumdar, Jagadish Gupta.
>>>
>>
>>Ei `bhalo shahityo' byaparta amar kachhe ektu odbhut thyake| `Bhalo'
>>byaparta to `apekhhik', tai na ?
>
> Arnab, "in my opinion" bala manei ki apekkhikata shwikar kore neowa
> noi?
>
hok kotha! bhul hoye gyachhe|
>>>> > >1. An increasing number of intelligent and tasteful literati have
>>>> > >shunned Anandabajar and are continuing to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Taholey, *jNara Anandabajar poren, tNara boka*, eita amra `assume' >korey ne
>>>Na. Ta to bolini. Bolechchi, Anadabajar-er baireo ekta bipul
>>>shahityo-chorcha-r srot boye cholechchey, jeta Anondobajar-er moto
>>>byaboshayik kagoj-er procharer obhabe jonota-r lokhkhey aashchchena,
>>>kintu shahityo-akranto-der chokh eRayna. Serious pathok khunje nyan,
>>>eirokom shob kaaj.
>>>
>>
>>Tomar kothatai `intelligent and tasteful'er shonge `Anandabajar na
>>porar' aykta jogajog achhe mone hoyechhilo|
>
> Anandabajar paRa niye deep rooted inferiority complex na thakle
> emon'ti mone habar to katha noi!
>
Amar nei|
>>>> Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
>>>> and tasteful' ?
>
> Little magazine na paRa niye deep-rooted inferiority complex na
> thakle emonti'o mone habar to katha noi!
>
Eta amar thik mone hoyechhilo, Shoumya-da'r uttor-ta dekhechho ?
>>Regards,
>>Arnab.
>
> Regards,
> Apratim.
>
> PS: Dudin age je bolle strip tease kaththak'r theke "bhalo", shetake
> tomar e'i post'r shange reconcile korte ashubidhe hochche.
>
Tomar shonge kotha! Kobey! Kothai! DNarao, deja-news khuley dekhchhi.
> PPS: Bujhtei parchho, release over. Ma abar dekha diyechhen.
>
>--
>Paramagati, tomar hashi chokhe Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
>Hridaye neel dheu balo ke rokhe? are my own and shouldn't be construed in
> - Bishnu Dey. any way to represent that of my employer.
Arnab.
Arnab Gupta
Apratim likhechhe:
..[deleted]..
>
> PPS: Bujhtei parchho, release over. Ma abar dekha diyechhen.
>
Ami uttor debo Apratim, tumi likhe jao...
>--
>Paramagati, tomar hashi chokhe Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
>Hridaye neel dheu balo ke rokhe? are my own and shouldn't be construed in
> - Bishnu Dey. any way to represent that of my employer
Arnab.
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim writes:
>Arnab'ke ami bolechhi:
>
>> PS: Dudin age je bolle strip tease kaththak'r theke "bhalo", shetake
>> tomar e'i post'r shange reconcile korte ashubidhe hochche.
>
> Oops! "bhalo"'ta "kharap" habe.
Baaje kotha chhaDo - tumi je bolle RFD post korbe, tar ki holo?
Srabani
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
>
> Taar akta karon ki eta noy je eguli somoy-utteerno?
> Amiyobhushan chhaDa jNader naam korle tNara shokole-i
> kolom thamiyechhe besh kichhudin holo.
>
Shey to botei. [ BTW, Amiyabhushan ki ekhono likhchchen, Babul ? Ekta
shakhkhatkar poRechchilam gotobochchor-er ekta Juktakhkhar-e money
poRchchey...kintu notun lekhar porikolpona aachchey kina mone
poRchchena]
Kintu eta ki proshonge bolchchish ?
> Notun je sahityo-kormi-der kotha tumi bolchho, eNder
> kojon she porikkha-y boshechhen?
>
Porikhkhay boshchchen shokolei, utteerNo howar jonyo opekhkha kora.
Kintu ekta lekha poRe tar seriousness of purpose ar richness of content
and style bujhtey ki jekono shikhkhito loker oshubidhey howar katha ?
Amar boktobyo to pathoker bodh-budhdhir dike totota noy, jotota tar
obodhanota/onobodhanota bishoyok.
Gotobochchor Bango-shommelon-e Joy kintu shobhatei bolechchilo (boltey
badhyo hoyechchilo) jey Anondobajar-er bairey ekta shoktishali shahityo
chorchaa cholchchey...
> >Na. Ta to bolini. Bolechchi, Anadabajar-er baireo ekta bipul
> >shahityo-chorcha-r srot boye cholechchey, jeta Anondobajar-er moto
> >byaboshayik kagoj-er procharer obhabe jonota-r lokhkhey aashchchena,
> >kintu shahityo-akranto-der chokh eRayna. Serious pathok khunje nyan,
> >eirokom shob kaaj.
>
> Torker khatir-e, sref torke-r khaatir-e jodi ekotha-ta
> bola hoy je ei dhushor-shongNya-r "serious pathok" ashole
> ekti jonaador-nirbashito goshthi, jNara nijeder ohom
> bhashiye rakte ei "seriousness" byaparti srishti korechhe!
Eta tui kintu paye pa diye....
>
> Ami bolte chaichhi, bhalo sahityo maane-i je ojonopriyo
> hote hobe taar ki kono bishesh karon aachhe? Ba jonopriyo
> hole-i sheti shu-sahityo hote paarbena, taar?
>
Amake ektu quote kore dyakha to , ei katha-ta kothay bollam...
> Jodi-o amar byaktigoto mot, Desh-er golpo-kobita opathyo
> hoye gyachhe.
Shetai to...
>
> Sambit
>
> ps. Proposal defence-er jonne shubhechcha.
Dhonyobad.
Shoumyo.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>
> dayboddhota jinish-Ta to orokom lok-dekhani jinish noy (ontoto howa
> uchit noy) | nijer "progressive image" bojay roilo kina ei niye jNara
> matradhik chintito tNader borabor sondeher chokhe dekhi |
>
>
Sayan:
I don't think you are interested in arguing about what we are discussing
here...it seems you have a different agenda.
Amar kon "progressive image" bojay rakhar cheshta tomar ushmar karon
holo, bujhlamna.
Shoumyo.
Apratim Sarkar
GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) writes:
>>>>> Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
>>>>> and tasteful' ?
>>
>> Little magazine na paRa niye deep-rooted inferiority complex na
>> thakle emonti'o mone habar to katha noi!
>
>Eta amar thik mone hoyechhilo, Shoumya-da'r uttor-ta dekhechho ?
Thik bujhlam na ki bolchho.
Dekhi ni. Well, in fact, amar last post'e ekta option present kara
hoini. Little magazine paRa niye deep-rooted superiority
complex thakleo emon mone hote pare bate. Shetao besh boka boka,
I must agree, jodi tumi shei jaiga theke eshe thako.
Ami jotuku poRechhi, WB'r 80% little magazine amar ja hate eshechhe
ta Desh'r thekeo kharap. 20% abashyo anek better standard'r. IMHO.
Anubartan paRen keu?
>> PS: Dudin age je bolle strip tease kaththak'r theke "bhalo", shetake
>> tomar e'i post'r shange reconcile korte ashubidhe hochche.
>>
>
>Tomar shonge kotha! Kobey! Kothai! DNarao, deja-news khuley dekhchhi.
>
Fer dhapachchho!? Last weekend'e Columbus downtown'e. Govt.'r
kaththak'ke strip tease'r respect'e preferential patronage deowa
uchit kina ta niye kato katha holo ... bhule mere dile? Tomar
sMirtibhrangsho hochchhe, brahmishaak khao!
--
Paramagati, tomar hashi chokhe Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
Hridaye neel dheu balo ke rokhe? are my own and shouldn't be construed in
- Bishnu Dey. any way to represent that of my employer.
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim likhechhe:
> Fer dhapachchho!? Last weekend'e Columbus downtown'e. Govt.'r
> kaththak'ke strip tease'r respect'e preferential patronage deowa
> uchit kina ta niye kato katha holo ... bhule mere dile? Tomar
> sMirtibhrangsho hochchhe, brahmishaak khao!
Apratim, tumi Columbus-e eshechhile? Kobe? Dyakha korle na kano?????
Srabani
Arnab Gupta
Apratim likhechhe...
>GUP...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Arnab Gupta) writes:
>
>>>>>> Naki, jNara `little magazine' poren tNara `intelligent
>>>>>> and tasteful' ?
>>>
>>> Little magazine na paRa niye deep-rooted inferiority complex na
>>> thakle emonti'o mone habar to katha noi!
>>
>>Eta amar thik mone hoyechhilo, Shoumya-da'r uttor-ta dekhechho ?
>
> Thik bujhlam na ki bolchho.
Amar upore kora proshnotar aykta shommotishuchok uttor peyechhilam.
IMHO.
>
> Dekhi ni. Well, in fact, amar last post'e ekta option present kara
> hoini. Little magazine paRa niye deep-rooted superiority
> complex thakleo emon mone hote pare bate. Shetao besh boka boka,
> I must agree, jodi tumi shei jaiga theke eshe thako.
>
And so do I. Abar shei ayk kotha - shahityo `ruchi'-r byapar| Ekhaney
bishesh kono dhoroner lekha porar karoney kauke beshi buddhiman bhabar
karon nei|
IMHO.
> Ami jotuku poRechhi, WB'r 80% little magazine amar ja hate eshechhe
> ta Desh'r thekeo kharap. 20% abashyo anek better standard'r. IMHO.
>
> Anubartan paRen keu?
>
Shomotot ar Choturongo porechhi pray niyomito ekhaney ashar agey| Besh
bhaloi, bisheshoto `shomotot'|
IMHO.
>>> PS: Dudin age je bolle strip tease kaththak'r theke "bhalo", shetake
>>> tomar e'i post'r shange reconcile korte ashubidhe hochche.
>>>
>>
>>Tomar shonge kotha! Kobey! Kothai! DNarao, deja-news khuley dekhchhi.
>>
> Fer dhapachchho!? Last weekend'e Columbus downtown'e. Govt.'r
> kaththak'ke strip tease'r respect'e preferential patronage deowa
> uchit kina ta niye kato katha holo ... bhule mere dile? Tomar
> sMirtibhrangsho hochchhe, brahmishaak khao!
>
Apratim, Boston-eo thek baar korey phelechho ? DhNoa-ta taholey
Boston-e bhaloi paoa jai|
IMHO.
>--
>Paramagati, tomar hashi chokhe Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
>Hridaye neel dheu balo ke rokhe? are my own and shouldn't be construed in
> - Bishnu Dey. any way to represent that of my employer.
Tumi to Bishnu Dey ar Disclaimer-er nichey IMHO diley na ?
Arnab.
Sambit Basu
Apratim khNuchiyechhe:
>Sambit bolechhe:
>>Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>>
>>>Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>>
>> Kano?
> BaRo hole bujhte parbe Sambit ...
Nijeke ta'le, shesh obdi, publicly, prodigy hishebe-i
ghoshona korle!!
Sambit
Sambit Basu
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> writes:
>Sambit Basu wrote:
>> Taar akta karon ki eta noy je eguli somoy-utteerno?
>[ BTW, Amiyabhushan ki ekhono likhchchen, Babul ? Ekta
>shakhkhatkar poRechchilam gotobochchor-er ekta Juktakhkhar-e money
>poRchchey...kintu notun lekhar porikolpona aachchey kina mone
>poRchchena]
[Ami koyekdin aage onar akta probondho poDlum -
kothay-ki-brittanto kichchhu mone nei - dhore nichchhi
nijeke shudhu probondho-tei seemaboddho rakhenni uni!]
>Kintu eta ki proshonge bolchchish ?
Tin bondo. ba Satinath-er shonge ak-i prekkhite kono
sahityo-kormi-r alochona korte jabar shorto hishebe.
Tomar lekha-ta poDe mone hoyechhilo, tumi shomokaleen
je sahityo-kormi-der kotha bolechho, tNara jano Satinath
et al in making.
>Kintu ekta lekha poRe tar seriousness of purpose ar richness of content
>and style bujhtey ki jekono shikhkhito loker oshubidhey howar katha ?
>Amar boktobyo to pathoker bodh-budhdhir dike totota noy, jotota tar
>obodhanota/onobodhanota bishoyok.
Sahitye ki "survival of the fittest" chole na?
>> Torker khatir-e, sref torke-r khaatir-e jodi ekotha-ta
>> bola hoy je ei dhushor-shongNya-r "serious pathok" ashole
>> ekti jonaador-nirbashito goshthi, jNara nijeder ohom
>> bhashiye rakte ei "seriousness" byaparti srishti korechhe!
>Eta tui kintu paye pa diye....
Ta' thik noy. Sahitye, shongeet-e, cinema-y akta
tothakothito "serious" clientele toiri hoyechhe
jader unnashikota akashsporshi. Shudhu unnashikota-i
noy, insularity-o. Copybook stereotyping-o.
Aar akta kotha holo Desh kintu nijeke sahityo-potrika
bole ghoshona kore na.
>> Ami bolte chaichhi, bhalo sahityo maane-i je ojonopriyo
>> hote hobe taar ki kono bishesh karon aachhe? Ba jonopriyo
>> hole-i sheti shu-sahityo hote paarbena, taar?
>>
>Amake ektu quote kore dyakha to , ei katha-ta kothay bollam...
Explicitly noy, tobe erokom akta deduction tomar
lekha theke obochetone toiri hoye gechhilo.
Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
Sambit palta chulkonono'r taal'e bolechhe:
She bayesh ki ar achhe re dada!? Ekhon bhaloi bhaloi tomar biye'ta diye
tarpar jete parlei bNachi.
Apra.
Sambit Basu
Apratim ebar lyang maarchhe:
>Sambit palta chulkonono'r taal'e bolechhe:
>>Apratim khNuchiyechhe:
>>
>>>Sambit bolechhe:
>>
>>>>Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>>>>
>>>>>Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>>>>
>>>> Kano?
>>
>>> BaRo hole bujhte parbe Sambit ...
>>
>>
>> Nijeke ta'le, shesh obdi, publicly, prodigy hishebe-i
>> ghoshona korle!!
> She bayesh ki ar achhe re dada!? Ekhon bhaloi bhaloi tomar biye'ta diye
> tarpar jete parlei bNachi.
Apratim, shala, kill-file koriye debo.
Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
> Tin bondo. ba Satinath-er shonge ak-i prekkhite kono
> sahityo-kormi-r alochona korte jabar shorto hishebe.
> Tomar lekha-ta poDe mone hoyechhilo, tumi shomokaleen
> je sahityo-kormi-der kotha bolechho, tNara jano Satinath
> et al in making.
Jaddur mone poRe Tathagata bolechhilo jader naam, tara shabai kobi.
Shutarang Satinath hobar proshnoi othe na. Ekhon, proshno uthte pare
<apnar pryo kobi'r naam ekhane boshiye nin> habar shambhabana achhe
kina. E proshno'ti ekkathai hashyakar, jemon Jibananada paRa'r
pre-condition, 1940's'e, ekti pathakgoshthi'r kachhe e'i chhilo, je
tini Rabindranath hote jachchhen kina. (Hashyakar, IMHO, statutary
warning'r dabee'te.)
Kono sahityik'r creativity kimba lekha'r jor ager (ba parer) onyo
kono sahityik'r dwara determined hoye jai na bolei amar mone hoi.
Tar ekmatra maapkathi tNar nijer lekha. Comparative analysis'r jaiga'ta
ashe shamaihinata'r karane. Hate jehetu afuranto shomoi pathak'r nei,
sehetu pathak shab sahitya'ke patronize kore uthte pare na, motamuti
bhabe critique poRe (kimba bijNapan dekhe) patronize kara'i ajkalkar
creativity overloaded sahityer bajare dostur. Tate dosh-gun'r kono
byapar nei IMHO, age bhagei bole rakhi faltu takko eRate. Kintu shei
kore powerful (subjectively) lekha chokh eRiye jabar sambhabana thake.
Jemon DhNoRai. Amar ekanta well-read bondhu bandhab'ke ami bolte
shunechhi je DhNoRai paRa hoye otheni. Kintu Sirshendu-Samaresh
hoyechhe. E'i jaiga theke, Goutam Basu Sudhin Datta in the making ki
non she proshno na tulei bala jai, IMSO, Goutamda'r lekha jara paRen ni
tara powerful kichhu Bangla kobita harachchhen.
E'i bhabei ami Tathagata'r statement'ti bujhechhilam.
> Sahitye ki "survival of the fittest" chole na?
Proshno'ta, Sambit, pathak'r poriprekkhite. Sahityik'r noi. MS
Windows survive korleo general user'r loss hote pare, jodi Mac
superior GUI hoi.
> Ta' thik noy. Sahitye, shongeet-e, cinema-y akta
> tothakothito "serious" clientele toiri hoyechhe
> jader unnashikota akashsporshi. Shudhu unnashikota-i
> noy, insularity-o. Copybook stereotyping-o.
Manchhi. Kintu tar backlash hishebe, "buddhimaan" pathak
jodi little magazine'r dik theke ekebarei chokh firiye nen
tabe loss'ta tar nijer. Chorer opor raag kore matite bhat khaowa
shamil.
> Aar akta kotha holo Desh kintu nijeke sahityo-potrika
> bole ghoshona kore na.
Prashangika bujhte ashubidhe hochchhe.
> Explicitly noy, tobe erokom akta deduction tomar
> lekha theke obochetone toiri hoye gechhilo.
Karan mone paap ... :-)
> Sambit
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>> Tomar lekha-ta poDe mone hoyechhilo, tumi shomokaleen
>> je sahityo-kormi-der kotha bolechho, tNara jano Satinath
>> et al in making.
> Jaddur mone poRe Tathagata bolechhilo jader naam, tara shabai kobi.
> Shutarang Satinath hobar proshnoi othe na.
Shudhu jNader naam noy, jNaader kotha bolechhilo ami tNader kotha
bolchhilum. Tathagata likhechhe, "Tobu amar bishwash brithoth
banglar onyotomo sreshtho kobira o godyokar-ra ekhono Desh-er
baire likhchchen." 'godyokaar' shobdo-ta or lekha-y aachhe. Aar
amar lekha-y 'et al' kotha-ti-o. Anyway, ei sophistry-ta muul
alochonar shonge somporko-rohit. ;)
> Kono sahityik'r creativity kimba lekha'r jor ager (ba parer) onyo
> kono sahityik'r dwara determined hoye jai na bolei amar mone hoi.
Sahityik-er PoV theke hoy kina janina, pathok-er PoV theke hoy
bole-i amar dharona. Tin Bondo-r poroborti-te je
toto-shoktimaan-noy-othocho-besh-bhalo sahityik eshechhen
tNara-i jodi tin-bondo.-r aage ashten ta'le perspective-tai
bodle jeto, IMO.
> Tar ekmatra maapkathi tNar nijer lekha. Comparative analysis'r jaiga'ta
> ashe shamaihinata'r karane.
Eta bujhini.
> Hate jehetu afuranto shomoi pathak'r nei,
> sehetu pathak shab sahitya'ke patronize kore uthte pare na, motamuti
> bhabe critique poRe (kimba bijNapan dekhe) patronize kara'i ajkalkar
> creativity overloaded sahityer bajare dostur. Tate dosh-gun'r kono
> byapar nei IMHO, age bhagei bole rakhi faltu takko eRate. Kintu shei
> kore powerful (subjectively) lekha chokh eRiye jabar sambhabana thake.
She to shobsomoy-ei hote paare. Kono pathok-er pokkhei
to aar bangla-bhasha-y jekhane joto lekha berochchhe
ta' poDa shombhob noy, kaajei bhalo lekha chokh eDiye
jabar finite akta posiibility thekei jachchhe.
Ta'le sadharon pathok-er kachhe she jinish-ta pNouchhobe
ki kore? Jodi sahityo bhalo hoy tahole sadharon pathok
sheta poDte pochhondo korbe, erokom akta assumption korle
Ananda-r moton business house-er shei sahityo promote
na korar kono apato-grajhyo karon thakte paarena. Jodi
na judgemental mistake hoy. Sheta to ubhoy pokkher-i
hote paare.
Establishment-er baire akta birat sahityo-srishti
je hoye cholechhe, eta to ghotona. Kintu shekhane-i shudhu
bhalo sahityo, aar to shob-i bhushi - ei statement-ta-ke
ami contest korchhilum.
> Jemon DhNoRai. Amar ekanta well-read bondhu bandhab'ke ami bolte
> shunechhi je DhNoRai paRa hoye otheni. Kintu Sirshendu-Samaresh
> hoyechhe. E'i jaiga theke, Goutam Basu Sudhin Datta in the making ki
> non she proshno na tulei bala jai, IMSO, Goutamda'r lekha jara paRen ni
> tara powerful kichhu Bangla kobita harachchhen.
Jini kobita-r akonishtho pathok, tNaar hote paare.
Sadharon sahityo-pathok-er kaachhe noy. Bangla-bhasha-r
tabot pawerful (subjective, IMO) kobita poDechhen, e kotha
ke bolchhen, bhai ektu haat tulben?
Aar tomra aachho ki korte Apratim? Tumi, Tathagata - eNra-i
to janabe bangla sahitye akhon ke kothay ki bhalo
likhchhen!
>> Sahitye ki "survival of the fittest" chole na?
> Proshno'ta, Sambit, pathak'r poriprekkhite. Sahityik'r noi.
Absolutely. Je competition-er bajare tNiklo, she bhalo,
pathok taar-tai poDbe. Sahityik morlo ki bNachlo, ki
eshe jay?
>> Ta' thik noy. Sahitye, shongeet-e, cinema-y akta
>> tothakothito "serious" clientele toiri hoyechhe
>> jader unnashikota akashsporshi. Shudhu unnashikota-i
>> noy, insularity-o. Copybook stereotyping-o.
> Manchhi. Kintu tar backlash hishebe, "buddhimaan" pathak
> jodi little magazine'r dik theke ekebarei chokh firiye nen
> tabe loss'ta tar nijer. Chorer opor raag kore matite bhat khaowa
> shamil.
Kintu pathok to Lit. Mag-er bNash bon-e shompurno kana.
Tumi-i to bolechho 80% bhushimaal, baaki 20% khNoja-r
mehonot ki poshabe. Taar cheye kichhudin opekkha kori,
bhalo likhle Establishment tader grash korbe, tokhon
tader notun lekha-o poDbo - aar tNara bikhyato hoye
gyachhen bole, tNader purono lekha jhokjhoke print-e
berobe, she-o poDe phelbo. Noile sahityo poDa-r jonne oto
khatakhatni kano bapu? Share-er daam ta'te baaDbe ki?
>> Aar akta kotha holo Desh kintu nijeke sahityo-potrika
>> bole ghoshona kore na.
> Prashangika bujhte ashubidhe hochchhe.
Maane Desh to shobaikar priyo bashing paper. UlubeDiya-y
kobi-josh-prarthi train-e kata poDechhen, dhor shala Desh-ke,
kobi-ke kano gaaDi kine dayni! Desh jano bangla sahityo
ebong sahityik-der nirongkush theka niyechhe! Ekhane theke-i
kotha-ta bola.
>> Explicitly noy, tobe erokom akta deduction tomar
>> lekha theke obochetone toiri hoye gechhilo.
> Karan mone paap ... :-)
:)
Sambit
Rishi Bhattacharjee
Yes, shetar ki holo, acchaa shetar ki holo?
Rishi
Ankur Saha
In article <325B05...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu writes:
>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>
>>
>> Taar akta karon ki eta noy je eguli somoy-utteerno?
>> kolom thamiyechhe besh kichhudin holo.
>>
>
>shakhkhatkar poRechchilam gotobochchor-er ekta Juktakhkhar-e money
>poRchchey...kintu notun lekhar porikolpona aachchey kina mone
>poRchchena]
>
Ami Babul noi :-), tobey Amiya Bhushan amar priyo lekhok, tai apnader
alochanai matha goliye phellam. Amar param bandhab Beetoshok
Bhattacharjo "Amiya Bhushan-er Shreshtha Galpo" sampadana korechhilo
80-r dashaker prathamer dikey: shei sutrey onek shunechhi ona'r
katha.
Jatadur jani Amiya Bhusan ekhono likhchhen 78 bachhar boyese:
1. 1992-te Desh-e ekti BaDogalpa poDechhilam Nov/Dec-e. Namta money
nei- ekti darogar bishoye galpa. Je sankhyay Joy Goswami'r prathom
upanyas-ti chhilo (Manoramer Upanyas), tar parer sankhyay.
2. 1993'r april-e "Chand Bene" namey ekti dirgha (~500 pata) upanyas
beriyachhilo Granthalay theke. Eto bajey chhapa o bandhai, je poDte
bhishon asubidhey hoi.
3. 1996-er boi-melai ekti notun boi prakash koreychhen Dey's
Publishing: "Nirbas". Upanyas ki galpa-sankalan jani na.
Dhonyobad!
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Ankur Saha
Manager, Ada WorkShop e-mail: an...@Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Developer Products voice: (415) 786-9110
Samir Bhattacharya
ApratimBabu likhechhen:
...
> Ami jotuku poRechhi, WB'r 80% little magazine amar ja hate eshechhe
> ta Desh'r thekeo kharap. 20% abashyo anek better standard'r. IMHO.
Ei 20%-er opore aro ektu kichhu bolle bhalo hoy -- jamon kothay paowa
jay, ki naam (in some order of preference) ityadi. Golpo, kobita
chhaDao probondho-bohul kono L.M. aachhe ki?
> Anubartan paRen keu?
Na. Ota oporer oi list-e thaakbe to?
Shubhechha-
Samir
Naeem Mohaiemen
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>
> >Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>
>
> Kano?
Baje lekhe thai.
Plus Taslima fiasco ta the agun dieche she..
Naeem
Naeem Mohaiemen
Soumitra Bose wrote:
> anadobajar potrika bole Sunil er boi BAngladeshe beshi bikri hoiecheh..
Proof for this statement?
Sambit Basu
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>
>> Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>>
>> >Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>>
>>
>> Kano?
>Baje lekhe thai.
Tai?
>Plus Taslima fiasco ta the agun dieche she..
E golpo-ta ki?
Sambit
Naeem Mohaiemen
>Naeem Mohaiemen:
>Taslima fiasco & Sunil's role
>>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>E golpo-ta ki? (What's the story?)
SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
(Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
[documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
BD.
2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
3)Bangla Academy rejects award on stated/unstated grounds:
*Anandabazar's communal past
*Anandabazar doesn't have stature to give an ward to Bangladesh's
national institution [although often sceptical of nationalist
saber-rattling, in this case I agree]
4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
*Award that Bangla Academy turns down is then given as consolation to
Taslima [even if it was given to anyone else: Nasrin Jahan. Subrata
Augustine Gomes, etc; perceived insult would be same]
*Bangla Academy book fair was site of huge fiasco the previous year
with Taslima's last collection of feminist literature. BA had to have a
showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
way]
5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
"West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
6)Long standing grievances over West-Bengal neo-coloization of
Bangladesh book market, with low price WB books driving less competitive
Bangladeshi book-sellers, now rise to surface. Taslima controversy
becomes lightning rod for a whoe slew of issues surrouding un-even
cultural/book trade between the 2 Bengals.
7)Ananda Puroshkar controversy attracts govt attention, further
solidifying their resolve to ban LAJJA.
8)The infamous fatwa follows the ban, focusing international
commmunity's attention
9)BJP gets into the act by distributing translations of LAJJA,
fulfilling Ahmod Sofa's dire prediction a month before the award:
"I pray to Allah this book does not get to West Bengal, because it has
the power to fan hatred and cause riots."
Rest is known history..
Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
between West Bengal and Bangladesh.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
HBO Interactive Media
Srabani Banerjee
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
>
>1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
>(Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
>[documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
>Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
>BD.
[...]
Ei je bollen Sunil-ke patta dyan na!
Mr. Mohaiemen, if I give you a mole-hill, will you make a mountain out of it
for me? :)
Srabani
Kaushik Nag
The questions still remain:
1] Anandabajar patrika group represents the extreme right and oppurtunist
viewpoint of West Bengal. Their reports and viewpoints do not represent
the intellectuals of bengal/calcutta. Ananda puraskar is basically a pujar
sankha "farce" in calcutta.
2] What about the statistics quoted by Taslima in Lojja? Were hindu
temples and life destroyed in Bangladesh or not? This question has to be
answered clearly to the west bengalis (by probably the intellegesia) of
bangladesh, otherwise BJP or Jamaat is going to use this, to fan up
communal sentiments/ It is indeed shocking that after 1992/Ayodhya
situation the "binsfora" bangladeshi hindus suffered in the hands of
Jammat was never condoned by majority of the progressive section of the
bangladeshi intelectuals or by Awami League? Their was reports that Awami
league "progressive section" and the Bangladesh Communist Party cadres had
tucked their tails under the threat of Jammati vandalism. Is this true???
Naeem Mohaiemen
Srabani Banerjee wrote:
>
> Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>
> >SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
> >
> >1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
> >(Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
> >[documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
> >Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
> >BD.
> Ei je bollen Sunil-ke patta dyan na!
Patta dei na means thar lekha pochondo kori na, thar politics suspect
kori, thar pronouncements gulo ignore kori.
The post was about the damage he did.
> Mr. Mohaiemen, if I give you a mole-hill, will you make a mountain out of it
> for me? :)
Dhaka-iyya bhasha-e:" Jomlo na, joma-bar chesta byartho"
Palta proman thakle post korun, ar nahoi chepe jan.... :-)
-- "Mr." Mohaiemen
Sambit Basu
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
>1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
>(Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
>[documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
>Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
>BD.
Erokom akta jugantokaari statement korar por-o apnara
Sunil-ke patta dyan na?
>2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
Sunil ekhane bajaare ashchhen ki kore?
>3)Bangla Academy rejects award on stated/unstated grounds:
> *Anandabazar's communal past
> *Anandabazar doesn't have stature to give an ward to Bangladesh's
>national institution [although often sceptical of nationalist
>saber-rattling, in this case I agree]
Sunil ekhane bajare ashchhen ki kore?
>4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
>Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
Sunil-er recommendation-er information-er source-ta
ki apnar? Grapevine noy to?
> *Award that Bangla Academy turns down is then given as consolation to
>Taslima [even if it was given to anyone else: Nasrin Jahan. Subrata
>Augustine Gomes, etc; perceived insult would be same]
> *Bangla Academy book fair was site of huge fiasco the previous year
>with Taslima's last collection of feminist literature. BA had to have a
>showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
>was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
>way]
Sunil???
>5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
>to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
>rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
>high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
> "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
"rightly or wrongly" chheDe "slap on entire Bangladesh
intellectual community's face" - ei byapar-tai to
bujhchhi na!! "Bangladesh intellectual community"-r
oboshor binodon ki dukkho-bilash?
>6)Long standing grievances over West-Bengal neo-coloization of
>Bangladesh book market, with low price WB books driving less competitive
>Bangladeshi book-sellers, now rise to surface. Taslima controversy
>becomes lightning rod for a whoe slew of issues surrouding un-even
>cultural/book trade between the 2 Bengals.
Sunil???
>7)Ananda Puroshkar controversy attracts govt attention, further
>solidifying their resolve to ban LAJJA.
Sunil???
>8)The infamous fatwa follows the ban, focusing international
>commmunity's attention
Sunil???
>9)BJP gets into the act by distributing translations of LAJJA,
>fulfilling Ahmod Sofa's dire prediction a month before the award:
> "I pray to Allah this book does not get to West Bengal, because it has
>the power to fan hatred and cause riots."
Sunil???
"progotishilota" ki bangladeshe paranoia, conspiracy theory
ebong mud-slinging-er somarthok hoye poDechhe?
Sambit
Naeem Mohaiemen
Sambit Basu wrote:
>
> > Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
> >2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
>
> Sunil ekhane bajaare ashchhen ki kore?
What is the connection between the award and your question?
> >4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
> >Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
>
> Sunil-er recommendation-er information-er source-ta
> ki apnar? Grapevine noy to?
>
Nice try, but sorry-- matter of public record.
Shunil was not/is not embarrassed by his clout over ANANDO puroshkar.
> BA had to have a
> >showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
> >was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
> >way]
>
> Sunil???
Didn't say it was.
Pointing out that award instigated by Shunil snowballed into following
effects.
> >5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
> >to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
> >rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
> >high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
> > "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
> "rightly or wrongly" chheDe "slap on entire Bangladesh
> intellectual community's face" - ei byapar-tai to
> bujhchhi na!! "Bangladesh intellectual community"-r
> oboshor binodon ki dukkho-bilash?
Ki korbo, apnader motho ekhono hoe uth-the pari ni.
> "progotishilota" ki bangladeshe paranoia, conspiracy theory
> ebong mud-slinging-er somarthok hoye poDechhe?
1)Paranoia/Conspiracy theory:
You deleted my last para, which shows that I do not think this was a
conspiracy on Shunil's part. here it is:
" Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
between West Bengal and Bangladesh. "
2)mud-slinging:
Show me where I maligned Shunil's character.
--Naeem Mohaiemen
Srabani Banerjee
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>> >SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
>> >
>> >1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
>> >(Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
>> >[documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
>> >Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
>> >BD.
>
>> Ei je bollen Sunil-ke patta dyan na!
>
>Patta dei na means thar lekha pochondo kori na, thar politics suspect
>kori, thar pronouncements gulo ignore kori.
O.
Ta e-khetre `pronouncement'-ta ignore kora gyalo na keno?
>The post was about the damage he did.
>
>> Mr. Mohaiemen, if I give you a mole-hill, will you make a mountain out of it
>> for me? :)
>
>
>Dhaka-iyya bhasha-e:" Jomlo na, joma-bar chesta byartho"
Eta Dhakaiya? Kolkata-y to alada kichhu boli na amra.
>Palta proman thakle post korun, ar nahoi chepe jan.... :-)
Kisher palta proman? Apnar puro post-e Sunil-er reference dubaar -
tar modhye ekta proman shapekkho. Emniteo duto khetrei onar dosh-ta
thik ki - sheta bhalo korey bojha gyalo na. Tao jodi monet koren je
onar `high-handedness'-er karon-e BD ar WB-r shomporko kharap hoye gyalo,
tahole kintu patta-ta ektu beshi-i dichchhen.
Chepe jete bolchhen keno? Apnar shubidhe hobe, tai? :)
>-- "Mr." Mohaiemen
Bhul hoyechhe? Naeem-babu cholbe?
Srabani
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
Naeem Mohaiemen (naeem.m...@hbo.com) wrote:
: SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
: 1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
: (Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
: [documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
: Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: BD.
~~~~~
I have not read this piece (Jabo Na Keno Jabo). However, I fail to see
how Sunil's advice/suggestion/request to Taslima can be seen as a
"driving wedge" between WB and BD.
: 2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Did they declare the award? Or did they send some feelers to Bangla
Academy expressing their (i.e Anandabazar's) willingness to award Ananda
Puroshkar to Bangla Academy?
: 3)Bangla Academy rejects award on stated/unstated grounds:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Again, was this "rejection" AFTER or BEFORE the official declaration of
the award.
: *Anandabazar's communal past
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't know about this. References please. However, I do know that
Anandabazar did publish articles condemning Babri masjid incident. Also
there are pieces by Sunil where he has
a)Praised the Bhasha Andolan.
b)Lamented the partition of Bengal
c)Expressed an opinion that Bangladesh will be the only flag bearer of
the Bengali culture.
None of these show a communal or (as alleged elsewhere), a Talukdari
mentality.
: *Anandabazar doesn't have stature to give an ward to Bangladesh's
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: national institution [although often sceptical of nationalist
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: saber-rattling, in this case I agree]
Okay. If it be so then why feel insulted that the award went subsequently
to Taslima. Firstly, you state that a particular award is beneath your
stature and therefore you would not accept it. But then you feel mighty
insulted if the same award is given to another person.
: 4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
: Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How is it a slap? Bangla Academy considered beneath their stature.
: *Award that Bangla Academy turns down is then given as consolation to
: Taslima [even if it was given to anyone else: Nasrin Jahan. Subrata
: Augustine Gomes, etc; perceived insult would be same]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Isn't it called the dog in the manger attitude.
: *Bangla Academy book fair was site of huge fiasco the previous year
: with Taslima's last collection of feminist literature. BA had to have a
: showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
: was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
: way]
Taslima wrote that she was physically threatened in the book fair. By
this type of argument one can allege that the famous death threat was
also issued by Taslima's pet mullah. Taslima also wrote that some youth
paraded in the book fair threatening her physically. Surely as organisers
of the book fair, Bangla Academy is responsible for physical intimidation
of authors.
: 5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Ananda Purashkar was for Nirbachito Column and not Lajja. Lajja was
published later.
: to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
: rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
: high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
: "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So let us see what happened. Ananda Pursashkar is awarded to Bangla
Academy. Bangla Academy declines the award because it is below their
stature. The award goes to Taslima. Bangladeshi Intellectuals feel that
it is a slap on their face. What kind of intelectuals will get worked up
over an award which they themselves felt was below their stature. If
anyone should at all feel insulted in the whole episode (assuming it to
be true) it should be Taslima, because she was the second choice.
: 6)Long standing grievances over West-Bengal neo-coloization of
: Bangladesh book market, with low price WB books driving less competitive
: Bangladeshi book-sellers, now rise to surface. Taslima controversy
: becomes lightning rod for a whoe slew of issues surrouding un-even
: cultural/book trade between the 2 Bengals.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Books are not potatos or Illish Mach. People read books for satisfaction
of their intellectual, emotional urge. The freeer the book trade the more
is the exchange of ideas and better the intellectual climate. I suspect
that Bangladeshi publishers engineered the outcry because their monopoly
profits were being affected.
: 7)Ananda Puroshkar controversy attracts govt attention, further
: solidifying their resolve to ban LAJJA.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As mentioned before the prize was for Nirbachito column and not Lajja.
: 8)The infamous fatwa follows the ban, focusing international
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: commmunity's attention.
And pray what has happened to the fatwa givers? Taslima had to live the
life in exile away from her family and country.
: 9)BJP gets into the act by distributing translations of LAJJA,
: fulfilling Ahmod Sofa's dire prediction a month before the award:
: "I pray to Allah this book does not get to West Bengal, because it has
: the power to fan hatred and cause riots."
BJP used Lajja to further their own nefarious design. Incidentally, BJP
edited those parts of Lajja which were critical of BJP.
: Rest is known history..
: Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
: But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
: between West Bengal and Bangladesh.
You took quite a leap of logic here.
--
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
Sambit Basu
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>Sambit Basu wrote:
>> > Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>> >2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
>> Sunil ekhane bajaare ashchhen ki kore?
>What is the connection between the award and your question?
In the first place, what is the connection between
Sunil Ganguly and your statement?
>> >4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
>> >Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
>> Sunil-er recommendation-er information-er source-ta
>> ki apnar? Grapevine noy to?
>Nice try, but sorry-- matter of public record.
Kon record? Kothay paabo? Please be specific.
>> BA had to have a
>> >showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
>> >was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
>> >way]
>>
>> Sunil???
>Didn't say it was.
>Pointing out that award instigated by Shunil snowballed into following
>effects.
1. Recommendation and instigation, as far as I know, are
not synonymous.
2. According to you, all Sunil did was to _recommend_
LOJJA (should be "Nirbachito Colunm)for Ananda
Puroshkar, which is awardedf by a Business house.
If that has so much effect on "progotisheel" bangladeshis,
then you must have been miles away from truth while
commenting "Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...".
3. And if a mere recommendation by Sunil has so much
effect, I think you will be better off giving him
some more "pattha".
>> >5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
>> >to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
>> >rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
>> >high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
>> > "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
>> "rightly or wrongly" chheDe "slap on entire Bangladesh
>> intellectual community's face" - ei byapar-tai to
>> bujhchhi na!! "Bangladesh intellectual community"-r
>> oboshor binodon ki dukkho-bilash?
>Ki korbo, apnader motho ekhono hoe uth-the pari ni.
Shosta sentu hoye gyalo na? Taar theke oi "slap...face'-ta
ektu bujhiye din na.
>> "progotishilota" ki bangladeshe paranoia, conspiracy theory
>> ebong mud-slinging-er somarthok hoye poDechhe?
>1)Paranoia/Conspiracy theory:
>You deleted my last para, which shows that I do not think this was a
>conspiracy on Shunil's part. here it is:
Apnar post-e akguchchho point-e matro duti-te Sunil-er
ullekh chhilo, bakiguli-te nishchoi Sunil ganguly-r
"odrishyo kaalo haat" apni dekhechhen, noile sheguli
ei thread-e lekhar kono proyojon chhilo na.
Paranoia/Conspiracy Theory-r ullekh-er karon ei.
>" Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
>But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
>fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
>between West Bengal and Bangladesh. "
>2)mud-slinging:
>Show me where I maligned Shunil's character.
Without enough factual substantiation, you are accusing
Sunil Ganguly of planning a rift between WB and Bangladesh!
Isn't that enough?
Sambit
Naeem Mohaiemen
> > Naeem Mohaiemen
> >> >2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
>
> >> Sunil ekhane bajaare ashchhen ki kore?
>
> >What is the connection between the award and your question?
>
> In the first place, what is the connection between
> Sunil Ganguly and your statement?
ANANDA puroshkar
> >> >4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
>
> >> Sunil-er recommendation-er information-er source-ta
> >> ki apnar? Grapevine noy to?
>
> >Nice try, but sorry-- matter of public record.
>
> Kon record? Kothay paabo? Please be specific.
Ok, will get it for you.
> >Pointing out that award instigated by Shunil snowballed into following
> >effects.
>
> 1. Recommendation and instigation, as far as I know, are
> not synonymous.
Didn't say it was.
> 2. According to you, all Sunil did was to _recommend_
> LOJJA (should be "Nirbachito Colunm)for Ananda
> Puroshkar, which is awarded by a Business house.
> If that has so much effect on "progotisheel" bangladeshis,
> then you must have been miles away from truth while
> commenting "Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...".
It had "so much effect" not because of Shunil.
But because award rejected by Bangla Academy was SUBSEQUENTLY given to
Taslima Nasrin.
> 3. And if a mere recommendation by Sunil has so much
> effect, I think you will be better off giving him
> some more "pattha".
Of course recommendation by Shunil has huge impact on ANandabazar
decisions.
What does that have to do w Bangladesh giving him pattha?
> >> >5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
> >> >to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
> >> >rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
> >> >high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
> >> > "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
> Shosta sentu hoye gyalo na? Taar theke oi "slap...face'-ta
> ektu bujhiye din na.
SLAP ON FACE:
Because Bangla Academy is our NATIONAL institution.
It is the highest [in spite of its flaws] institution carrying out
Bangla cultural activities in Bangladesh.
Slap #1: A commercial magazine [one that many Bangladeshis associate w
its role in 1948 and later communal ill-feelings; ergo cartoon on
Bhashani, etc] from West Bengal was giving an award to Bangladesh's
HIGHEST NATIONAL cultural institution. Reverse the situation, would
BICHITRA magazine think to give their yearly award to WB's highest
cultural institution? No. Because it would be seen as
oudhotthyo/arrogance
Slap #2: BA rejects the award. AB then turns around and gives it to
Taslima Nasrin. This action was seen as, to quote one newspaper article
"Taslima & Bangla Academy were brought to same level. Was Taslima
raised, or Bangla Academy lowered?}
> >> "progotishilota" ki bangladeshe paranoia, conspiracy theory
> >> ebong mud-slinging-er somarthok hoye poDechhe?
>
> >1)Paranoia/Conspiracy theory:
>
> >You deleted my last para, which shows that I do not think this was a
> >conspiracy on Shunil's part. here it is:
>
> Apnar post-e akguchchho point-e matro duti-te Sunil-er
> ullekh chhilo, bakiguli-te nishchoi Sunil ganguly-r
> "odrishyo kaalo haat" apni dekhechhen, noile sheguli
> ei thread-e lekhar kono proyojon chhilo na.
>
> Paranoia/Conspiracy Theory-r ullekh-er karon ei.
No, Idid not say his "invisble hand" in events such fatwa, BJP, etc.
I described snowballing effect of his ANANDA award efforts.
> >" Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
>
> >But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
> >fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
> >between West Bengal and Bangladesh. "
>
> >2)mud-slinging:
>
> >Show me where I maligned Shunil's character.
>
> Without enough factual substantiation, you are accusing
> Sunil Ganguly of planning a rift between WB and Bangladesh!
> Isn't that enough?
Read my last paragraph:
"Perhaps Sunil had good intentions. But result of his.."
Result is NOT EQUAL to "planning a rift".
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Naeem Mohaiemen
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Naeem Mohaiemen (naeem.m...@hbo.com) wrote:
>
> : SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
> : 1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
> : (Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
> I have not read this piece (Jabo Na Keno Jabo). However, I fail to see
> how Sunil's advice/suggestion/request to Taslima can be seen as a
> "driving wedge" between WB and BD.
Not this by itself. "opening salvo". Subsequent actions.
> : 2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Did they declare the award?
Announced. But I will confirm from written source.
[If I do not w/in a week, please prod me via e-mail]
> : 3)Bangla Academy rejects award on stated/unstated grounds:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Again, was this "rejection" AFTER or BEFORE the official declaration of
> the award.
-do-
> : *Anandabazar's communal past
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I don't know about this. References please.
Ok. Will do. Same comment as above.
> Anandabazar did publish articles condemning Babri masjid incident.
Yes, read it.
But but Babri is extreme incident. Would not expect AB to praise.
AB's role is subtle, patronizing, "dadagiri".
> there are pieces by Sunil where he has
> a)Praised the Bhasha Andolan.
> b)Lamented the partition of Bengal
> c)Expressed an opinion that Bangladesh will be the only flag bearer of
> the Bengali culture.
> None of these show a communal or (as alleged elsewhere)
Yes, agreed doesn't show he is communal. [I didn't allege that eiether]
>a Talukdari mentality.
No. Disagree.
Because you would mourn the passing of your taluk.
> : *Anandabazar doesn't have stature to give an ward to Bangladesh's
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : national
> Okay. If it be so then why feel insulted that the award went subsequently
> to Taslima.
See my response to Sambit_Basu.
In a word: placing Taslima & BA on same level.
> : 4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
> : Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> How is it a slap? Bangla Academy considered beneath their stature.
See above.
> : *Award that Bangla Academy turns down is then given as consolation to
> : Taslima [even if it was given to anyone else: Nasrin Jahan. Subrata
> : Augustine Gomes, etc; perceived insult would be same]
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Isn't it called the dog in the manger attitude.
No.
> : *Bangla Academy book fair was site of huge fiasco the previous year
> : with Taslima's last collection of feminist literature. BA had to have a
> : showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
> : was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
> : way]
> Taslima wrote that she was physically threatened in the book fair. By
> this type of argument one can allege that the famous death threat was
> also issued by Taslima's pet mullah.
Note, I wrote: "never proven either way".
>Bangla Academy is responsible for physical intimidation
> of authors.
Yes. How does this go against gist of my point?
Which was: BA had stormy relationship w Taslima
> : 5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Ananda Purashkar was for Nirbachito Column and not Lajja. Lajja was
> published later.
Correct.
My mistake.
> So let us see what happened. Ananda Pursashkar is awarded to Bangla
> Academy. Bangla Academy declines the award because it is below their
> stature. The award goes to Taslima. Bangladeshi Intellectuals feel that
> it is a slap on their face. What kind of intelectuals will get worked up
> over an award which they themselves felt was below their stature. If
> anyone should at all feel insulted in the whole episode (assuming it to
> be true) it should be Taslima, because she was the second choice.
Agreed. She should have rejected it. :-)
> Books are not potatos or Illish Mach. People read books for satisfaction
> of their intellectual, emotional urge. The freeer the book trade the more
> is the exchange of ideas and better the intellectual climate. I suspect
> that Bangladeshi publishers engineered the outcry because their monopoly
> profits were being affected.
It is not a free book trade.
It is one sided. Bangladesh takes and takes. WB market has barriers.
> And pray what has happened to the fatwa givers? Taslima had to live the
> life in exile away from her family and country.
-Govt should have taken action against illegal "fatwa"
-Govt should not have banned LAJJA
But this does not go against my comments on WB's role.
> : Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
>
> : But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
> : fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
> : between West Bengal and Bangladesh.
> You took quite a leap of logic here.
Don't think so.
Pavel
Naeem,
Are we missing something here?
1. Sunilkey asoley or lekha diye judge kora uchit.. Even Taslimakeo.
Suniler upponas amar kharap lagey na.. kichu kichu beshvalo lagey. kintu
onekdin suniler kono lekha porhi na...Or kobita khub kom porechi.
2. Jodio anadobazar kolkatay khub nami potrika, etar style amar valo
lageni.. ki jani onovasey kina...So if Bnagla academy did not consider
anandobazar-pusorkar, its ok i think...
3. If Taslima accepts that rejected prize then its not at all an insult
for bangla academy and not even to bangali atel(intellectual) somaj.
4. Bangla academy is a government institution. It is tough to lead the
cuture and literature of a society under government policies and
pressure. Kintu bangla-academy is still performing very well. Kintu eta
goverment institution, kajei kono kono kobi shittiker sathey er 'ganjam'
lagbei.. So Bangla academy alone does not represent 'bangladeshi atel
somaj'.
5. We really did not handle the Taslima issue in a proper way. Somajey
Taslima-hatred dhukiye dewa hoyechey odvut vabey. Even jara jiboney or
lekha porheni tarao okey ghrina korey... Its amazing.
6. Bangladesher culturey bichitra, robbar eder bazar sotti besh komey
gachey. Jay jay din ban hobar por Khoborer kagoj, bichinta esob potrika
bazarta dhorar chesta korto. Taslima sei somoy esob potrikay likhto. Or
lekhar style amar valoi lagto. Kintu onek kichutei puro ekmot hotey
partam na. (bodhoy purus bolei). Kintu or jukti dewar khomota ar lekhoni
amar valo lagto. Kintu sotti boltey ki, or upponnasgulo ekebari silly
chilo.. kebol 'columgulo' chilo valo. Conservvative lokhjon thik eta
hojom kortey pareni. Tai they hit taslima at the first chance. I mean
taslima was not hit because she attacked religion, she was hit because
she hit the society.
7. May be she was wrong in some of her views. Kintu er jonno takey
deshchara korar kono many nei. Tobey taslima duniajorha nam peyegelo.
Janina etoborho _sahittik_ o chilo na.
8. Still we cry ' Why AB gave her the prize?'.. Amar vabtey lojja hoy
amader somajey sohonsilota eto kom jey sahittikra je kono bishoye
likhtay paren na. Humnayun ahmed was attacked by judges and doctors for
silly reason... Tumi ekta daktar chorittrokey silly dekhatey parbey na,
tumi ekjon darhiola lokkey kharap dekhatey parbey na.. tumi kono
professioner lokkey kharap dekhatey parbey na.. O taholey rupkothar
golpo lekho..
9. Eta kono kono onshey sotti je WB vabey tara amader cheye sahittey
egiye achey. Etakei ki tumi dadagiri bolcho? Etar ekmattro jobab
hochchey bangadeshey valo sahitto shriti kora. Amader natok, kobita
khubi valo. Amar money hoy amra oder cheye edutotei egiye achi.. kintu
amader upponas nei.. amader somajey adhunik sahitto astey somoy lagbey.
amader manuser pete vat nei.. tara natok dekhbey kemon korey. Tachachra
amader somaj conservative.. ekhaney nutun kotha bolley seta sohojvabey
newar lok kom.. fawta diley tar basobayan korar loker songkha kom nei...
10. I m expecting flames...:)..
'Echara nutun kichu petey holey somoyer par hoye choley jete hobey'
-Pavel
Apratim Sarkar
Kichhu proshno:
1. Tumi ki Sunil'ke patta dao? [yes/no]
1.a. Dile, keno?
1.b. Na dile, keno na?
2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
2.a. Hole, keno?
2.b. Na hole, keno na?
3. Tomar mate, Sunil'ke patta na deowa ki be-aini kore deowa uchit? [yes/no]
<Repeat questions 2.a and 2.b.>
Uttor'r protikkhai,
Apratim.
--
Shei nimesh'r ashesh uttoriyo Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
Shab ramoni'ke mone hoto ramoniyo are my own and shouldn't be construed in
Jadukarder mela boshe jeto swapane| any way to represent that of my employer.
- Arun Kumar Sarkar.
Apratim Sarkar
While response from the general reader is most welcome, the following
questions were addressed, in particular, to Sambit.
Apratim Sarkar
sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>
>>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>Baje lekhe thai.
>
> Tai?
'O.' kintu ekhane aro suprojukto hoto Sambit.
> Sambit
Apra.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
> Shei nimesh'r ashesh uttoriyo
> Shab ramoni'ke mone hoto ramoniyo
> Jadukarder mela boshe jeto swapane|
> - Arun Kumar Sarkar.
Eta money poRchchey. Oshadharon kobita. Purota post korbey, APra ?
Ar, tar shongey, " Shinduk nei, ShworNo anini,/ enechchi bhikhkhalobdho
dhanyo/Oduti chokher taathkhoniker/ pabo ki porosh/ jothshamanyo ? "
-- oita ?
Shoumyo.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Samir Bhattacharya wrote:
> Ei 20%-er opore aro ektu kichhu bolle bhalo hoy -- jamon kothay paowa
> jay, ki naam (in some order of preference) ityadi. Golpo, kobita
> chhaDao probondho-bohul kono L.M. aachhe ki?
Ekhkhuni amar ja money poRchchey janachchi. Konta bhalo ar konta kharap,
konta thikthak little magazine ar konta noy, sheta oboshyo byektigoto
ruchir byapar:
1. Porichoy
2. Baromash
3. Ekhkhon
4. Proma
5. Onushtup
6. Choturongo
7. Shomotot
8. Nouko
9. Dorga Road
10. KobitaKatha
11. Bibhab
12.Korok
13. Kourob
14. Jigyasha
15. Obhimaan
16.Roktomangsho
17. Punorboshu
18.Mohadigonto
19. Shongbed
20. Kobiteertho
21. Onuborton
Ekti ononto Mohashagorer ayk-bindu pani dekhalam. Oi 80-20 bibhajon-ti
nijerai korey nin. Little magazine shomporke ekta procholito probaad
holo jey tara khonojeebi. Tar ekta karon hoyto ei jey Little magazine
lokey pocketer poyshay ber korey thake. Anek kagoj chchilo jara ar nei,
thakley amar nijoshwo prithibita arektu shondor hoto. Jemon Shotobhisha.
Mrinal Dutta-ke bohu onurodh koreo oti ar b(n)achiye rakha jayni.
Apratim, Sambit, Arnab, (ebong Bharote boshey thaka Ranjan-da
(Ghoshal)),tomra aro jog korbey, ei list-e ?
Shoumyo.
Apekhkhay,
Asif Saleh
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Naeem Mohaiemen (naeem.m...@hbo.com) wrote:
>
> : SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
>
> : 1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
> : (Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
> : [documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
> : Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : BD.
> ~~~~~
> I have not read this piece (Jabo Na Keno Jabo). However, I fail to see
> how Sunil's advice/suggestion/request to Taslima can be seen as a
> "driving wedge" between WB and BD.
I agree with Nalinaksha here that a mere suggestion by Sunil to Taslima
can/should not be seen as an act of "driving wedge" between the two
Bengals.
>
> : 2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Did they declare the award? Or did they send some feelers to Bangla
> Academy expressing their (i.e Anandabazar's) willingness to award Ananda
> Puroshkar to Bangla Academy?
>
They declared the award thru news release and Bangla Academi after
some deliberation decided to reject the award because of the reasons
mentioned above.
> : 3)Bangla Academy rejects award on stated/unstated grounds:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Again, was this "rejection" AFTER or BEFORE the official declaration of
> the award.
After, of course.
>
> : *Anandabazar's communal past
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I don't know about this. References please. However, I do know that
> Anandabazar did publish articles condemning Babri masjid incident.
Anandabajar is one of the topmost reactionary newspapers of the two
Bengals.
The fact that Anandabajar has progressive facade makes it even more
dangerous
than papers who are known to be communal. I can give you one particular
reference of their communal attitude. I had the misfortune of being in
Calcutta when the Babri riot broke out. The very next day of the riot
when tensions were running extremely high in the city with rumors
floating
everywhere and curfew being imposed, Anandabajar comes out with a
headline
saying "Dhakeshwari Mandir in Dhaka destroyed". Result -- A worsened
and more volatile situation and worse Hindu-Muslim riot in Calcutta.
Now
was this news true? No. It was totally biased. I can only see their
communal desires behind publishing this false story. There are many
records like this.
> Also
> there are pieces by Sunil where he has
> a)Praised the Bhasha Andolan.
> b)Lamented the partition of Bengal
> c)Expressed an opinion that Bangladesh will be the only flag bearer of
> the Bengali culture.
> None of these show a communal or (as alleged elsewhere), a Talukdari
> mentality.
I agree with you here too. To accuse Sunil of creating a rift between
WB and Bangladesh is like saying Gandhi wanted a Pakistan. :-)
Sunil's track record in championing Bangladesh's cause is proven.
Those who are accusing Sunil should just go to the library and
start reading "purbo-Poshchim" once again to refresh their memories.
>
> : *Anandabazar doesn't have stature to give an ward to Bangladesh's
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : national institution [although often sceptical of nationalist
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : saber-rattling, in this case I agree]
>
> Okay. If it be so then why feel insulted that the award went subsequently
> to Taslima. Firstly, you state that a particular award is beneath your
> stature and therefore you would not accept it. But then you feel mighty
> insulted if the same award is given to another person.
Maybe insult is not the correct word here, rather Anandabajar Potrika
wanted to "slap" Bangla Academy's "arrogance" by giving the award
to Taslima, who was extremely controversial at that time in Bangladesh
and
was in no way in good terms with the establishment like Bangla Academy.
Here I would like to point a factual mistake made by Naeem. Taslima was
awarded the Ananda Puroshkar not for Lojja but for her infamous
"nirbachito
column" which was written more to champion her feministic cause
rather than the anti-religion ones.
>
> : 4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
> : Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> How is it a slap? Bangla Academy considered beneath their stature.
>
See above. Although I fail to see why Sunil is solely to be blamed for
this
politics.
> : *Award that Bangla Academy turns down is then given as consolation to
> : Taslima [even if it was given to anyone else: Nasrin Jahan. Subrata
> : Augustine Gomes, etc; perceived insult would be same]
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Isn't it called the dog in the manger attitude.
>
> : *Bangla Academy book fair was site of huge fiasco the previous year
> : with Taslima's last collection of feminist literature. BA had to have a
> : showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
> : was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
> : way]
> Taslima wrote that she was physically threatened in the book fair. By
> this type of argument one can allege that the famous death threat was
> also issued by Taslima's pet mullah. Taslima also wrote that some youth
> paraded in the book fair threatening her physically. Surely as organisers
> of the book fair, Bangla Academy is responsible for physical intimidation
> of authors.
>
> : 5)Taslima accepts award for LAJJA. Intended slap on BA's face is taken
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Ananda Purashkar was for Nirbachito Column and not Lajja. Lajja was
> published later.
Oops...coming down this far I see you have already caught the mistake.
Oh well.
But yes, Lojja was published at the Boimela of 1993 and Taslima got her
award in
1992. At that fair some young hoodlums brought out a procession saying
"taslima-r phashi chai" in "protest" of her feministic writings. The
Mullahs
were not really in action at that time.
>
> : to be slap on entire Bangladesh intellectual community's face [whether
> : rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
> : high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
> : "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> So let us see what happened. Ananda Pursashkar is awarded to Bangla
> Academy. Bangla Academy declines the award because it is below their
> stature. The award goes to Taslima. Bangladeshi Intellectuals feel that
> it is a slap on their face. What kind of intelectuals will get worked up
> over an award which they themselves felt was below their stature. If
> anyone should at all feel insulted in the whole episode (assuming it to
> be true) it should be Taslima, because she was the second choice.
>
The only reason I can see Bangladeshi intellectuals feel insulted is
becuase
of the fact that all those years before 1992 Anandabaja Prokashona
just ignored the likes Shamsur Rahman, Syed Shamsul Haque and Abul Hasan
and all on a sudden they went ga ga over Taslima because of her
anti-Islam attitude. However, quoting Ahmad Sofa as the representative
of Bangladeshi intelleetuals is not wise since he is only considered
to be an extremist in Bangladeshi circle. Besides, he had
personal conflict with Taslima as well.
mmmmmmmmm ....Naeem is totally out of line there. No comment.
> --
> Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
--
Asif Saleh
Samir Bhattacharya
ApratimBabu likhechhen:
....
> ashe shamaihinata'r karane. Hate jehetu afuranto shomoi pathak'r nei,
> sehetu pathak shab sahitya'ke patronize kore uthte pare na, motamuti
> bhabe critique poRe (kimba bijNapan dekhe) patronize kara'i ajkalkar
> creativity overloaded sahityer bajare dostur. Tate dosh-gun'r kono
> byapar nei IMHO, age bhagei bole rakhi faltu takko eRate. Kintu shei
> kore powerful (subjectively) lekha chokh eRiye jabar sambhabana thake.
Thik kotha. Eijonyei to kichhu reco. chaichhi oi 20%-sample theke.
Seriously. Jodi kono boi thaake ja 'bhalo bhalo' LM-e purbo-prokashito
lekha niye songkolito, tahole aro bhalo hoy.
Akmatro Ankur-Babu'r chiThi theke akta boi-er hodish paowa gyalo.
Amon kono lekhok aachhen, jNara Desh o LM, dutotei lekhen? Likhten?
ONra ki kono bishesh type-er lekha bishesh magazine-er jonye paThaan?
Ami nitantoi LM-er byapaare oNgyo -- kintu bhalo lekha miss korte
chaina. Tai kichhu recommendation chaichhi.
DhNoRai poRechhi. Shudhu-matro chaal-kumDoy Ganhi-Bawa'r mukher chhaap
phute oTha'r bornona'r jonyei ami jor golay boita shobaike recommend
korte paari. Karur poRe bhalo na laagle aajkal mon kharap kori-na. Aap
ruchi poRna! Akhon Shirshendu-Samaresh-er du-akta recommendation pele
bhalo hoy amaar.
Subjectivity baad diye to aar sahityer alochona hotei paarena (jotoi
pomo-tic hok-na montyobyo-ta!). Kajei je recommend koren aar tini ja
recommend koren dutoi graajhyo korte hoi. Byatikrom-o aachhe oboshyo.
Tini Wisconsin-e thaaken :)
Samir
> Apra.
Samir Bhattacharya
Sambit likhechhe:
..
> Aar tomra aachho ki korte Apratim? Tumi, Tathagata - eNra-i
> to janabe bangla sahitye akhon ke kothay ki bhalo
> likhchhen!
Thik kotha. Kintu tumio nirdhwidhay jaaniye jeyo tomar
pochhondo-opochhondo gulo. Dayitwo, shesh-porjyonto, jekaale je
poRchhe taar.
Samir
> Sambit
Kalpataru Barman
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>
> >Naeem Mohaiemen:
> >Taslima fiasco & Sunil's role
>
> >>Sambit Basu wrote:
> >>E golpo-ta ki? (What's the story?)
>
>
> 1) Sunil said to Taslima "Taslima thui Bangladesh e ki firbi, ekhanei
> (Calcutta) theke ja!" (why would you go back, stay here in Calcutta)
> [documented in Taslima's "JABO NA KENO JABO"].
> Opening salvo of Sunil adoration of Taslima driving wedge between WB &
>
> 2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
>
> *Anandabazar doesn't have stature to give an ward to Bangladesh's
>
> Reason of course is to deliver a slap in Bangla Academy's face since:
> Taslima [even if it was given to anyone else: Nasrin Jahan. Subrata
> Augustine Gomes, etc; perceived insult would be same]
> with Taslima's last collection of feminist literature. BA had to have a
> showdown w Taslima after it was alleged that harrassment of her stall
> was actually orchestrated by Talsima supporters [never proven either
> way]
>
> rightly or wrongly]. Newspapers blow up over the news of WB's
> high-handedness. Genesis of Ahmod Sofa's famous statement:
> "West Bengal still thinks Bangladesh is their own private thaluk"
>
> Bangladesh book market, with low price WB books driving less competitive
> Bangladeshi book-sellers, now rise to surface. Taslima controversy
> becomes lightning rod for a whoe slew of issues surrouding un-even
> cultural/book trade between the 2 Bengals.
>
> solidifying their resolve to ban LAJJA.
>
>
> 9)BJP gets into the act by distributing translations of LAJJA,
> fulfilling Ahmod Sofa's dire prediction a month before the award:
> "I pray to Allah this book does not get to West Bengal, because it has
> the power to fan hatred and cause riots."
>
>
> Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
>
> But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
> between West Bengal and Bangladesh.
>
> Naeem Mohaiemen
> HBO Interactive Media
Ei thread ta thekey Bangladesh-er samprotik kaaler sahity-charcha
niye khanik-ta jana gelo. Kintu jodi WB Bangali-der samrotik-kaaler
Bangladeshi lekhok/lekhika der madhhye Taslima-ke baad diye karo naam
kortey boltey hoi, tabe kintu anekei bhaabtey bosben. Hoito prasno
korben je, apnaara Bangladesher sahitya poren, je jaanben ?
Kintu Sangeet-er khetrey taa thik noi. Aamra je Dhaka radio
sab-samaya suni ta noi, kintu Rejwana Banya Chowdhury baa Runa
Laila baa Lok-sangeet shilpi-ra kintu WB e besh janapriya.
Aar Ahmed Sofa-r baktabya thik bujhlaam naa. WB e jara riot
korey thaaken, tara kotojon Lajja porey ekaaje nemechhen jaani naa.
Pavel
Asif Saleh wrote:
>
> >
>
I agree with you & nalik at most of the points.. Still there are some
points where
i would love to add something (faltu pachal )
> Oops...coming down this far I see you have already caught the mistake.
> Oh well.
>
> But yes, Lojja was published at the Boimela of 1993 and Taslima got her
> award in
> 1992. At that fair some young hoodlums brought out a procession saying
> "taslima-r phashi chai" in "protest" of her feministic writings. The
> Mullahs
> were not really in action at that time.
>
Ok here we go.. Who were the taslima haters? Mollahs? I doubt how many
of them
read her writing or books before 1993. Mostly we are grown up in
maledominant
society (i m not saying its bad :) because i m male ). So her aggressive
feminism could not be tolerated in our culture.. Thats why we have so
many
Taslima-haters. But i found it amazing that most of the girls had some
sympathy for her even most of them do not agree with her at some points.
Even in SCB we discuss 'how is islamic inheritance law?' or something
like
this. Some of us do not even agree with that law. they were never hated
in
SCB. But Taslima came with sheer feminism. I am pretty sure that if
somebody
starts to writes with agressive feminism in SCB, she must be hated even
in
SCB.
> The only reason I can see Bangladeshi intellectuals feel insulted is
> becuase
> of the fact that all those years before 1992 Anandabaja Prokashona
> just ignored the likes Shamsur Rahman, Syed Shamsul Haque and Abul Hasan
> and all on a sudden they went ga ga over Taslima because of her
> anti-Islam attitude. However, quoting Ahmad Sofa as the representative
> of Bangladeshi intelleetuals is not wise since he is only considered
> to be an extremist in Bangladeshi circle. Besides, he had
> personal conflict with Taslima as well.
1. Its seems funny to me that Shamsur Rahman, Syed Shamsul Haque etc
would
like to compete with Taslima for anando purusker (where Sunil
recommands).
Are u saying shamsur rahman needs a recommandation from sunil?
2. If anandobazar is communal why would shamsur rahman or shamsul hoque
be aspirant for this prize? Why do we all spend so much time on it?
3. These papers like 'jay jay din', 'bichinta', 'ajker kagoj' and
'desbondhu'
created a new style in bengali literature (even culture). All the
writers in
that brand were new. Taslima was also saying something new. They got the
market.
That may be a reason the some of the old intellectuals may like those
uprising
writers. In some cases the new columnist groups were trying to create
stunt or
controversy to catch the people's attention...
4. I mean most of these intellectuals are not even that much islamic.
And taslima
got it for 'nirbachito colum' (before publishing 'lojja'). At that time
she was
famous for her extremist feminist attitude not anti-islamic attitude.
Its not
an exception the a columnist will criticise his society, poletics of his
country,
even current (social, religious) establishment. Taslima was just a bit
more
agressive and aggressive feminism was something that we could not
tolerate...
>
> Asif Saleh
(portions deleted in fear of saying too much ' i agree')
-Pavel
Sayan Bhattacharyya
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Samir Bhattacharya wrote:
>
>> Ei 20%-er opore aro ektu kichhu bolle bhalo hoy -- jamon kothay paowa
>> jay,
If you are in Calcutta, check out Patiram's (does it still exist?)
in College Street. In South Calcutta, a good place that stocks a
good inventory of little magazines, including most of the ones on
Shoumyo's list, is an unnamed magazine store on the north-east corner
of the Rashbehari Avenue - Shyamaprasad Mukherjee Road crossing, just
in front of the metro station.
>> ki naam (in some order of preference) ityadi. Golpo, kobita
>> chhaDao probondho-bohul kono L.M. aachhe ki?
For theater, check out the little magazine "Epic Theater" (it is in
Bengali, in spite of the English name), which is published by People's
Little Theatre (PLT), the group founded by the late Utpal Dutt. I have
found this magazine to contain thoughtful articles on various aspects
of the theory and practice of good theater.
>Ekhkhuni amar ja money poRchchey janachchi. Konta bhalo ar konta kharap,
>konta thikthak little magazine ar konta noy, sheta oboshyo byektigoto
>ruchir byapar:
>
>1. Porichoy
>2. Baromash
>3. Ekhkhon
...
etc.
Perhaps out of modesty, Shoumyo has not mentioned "Juktakshor", a magazine
with which he himself is associated. It is a joint effort (hence
the name "Juktakshor", presumably ) by some people from West Bengal, some
from Bangladesh and some expatriate Bengali/Bangladeshis living abroad.
I have found this magazine to be quite good.
The U.S. representative of this little magazine can be contacted at
(814)-862-8443. They also have an email address in India,
san...@juktakar.uunet.in, at which the editor, Sanjit Ghosh, can be reached.
Mahmud Husain
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> wrote:
>>Naeem Mohaiemen:
>>Taslima fiasco & Sunil's role
>
>>>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>>E golpo-ta ki? (What's the story?)
>
>SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
>
Aei Naeem chaoyal-ta borDo bipake falaya dae...aare baap tomar ki kaam babujan aar
didimoshai-go loge takko korar! Bangal chaoyal, u(n)hara hoilen giya amago bap dada
choiddo-gusthir shikkhok...amago aaji jayi dakho shob khaniktai-e ta(n)go kirpa-ey.
Kadachit bhuliyo na jadu. Aalpo boyosh to, g(h)ar taera mi aakhono rakte-r majhe
uthal pathal kore.
Be-akkal, bet-tamij ta-re aapnara maaf koira diyen nijer kiripay:)
Saarbo bangal-er pakkhey,
Mahmud Husain.
sayan bhattacharyya
I am interested in knowing Apratim's own answers to the questions as
well. I request him to submit his own answers, as I am curious about
his own stand on the issue.
-Sayan.
Apratim Sarkar <asa...@us.oracle.com> wrote:
>While response from the general reader is most welcome, the following
>questions were addressed, in particular, to Sambit.
>
>I wrote:
>
>>Kichhu proshno:
>>
>>1. Tumi ki Sunil'ke patta dao? [yes/no]
>>
>>1.a. Dile, keno?
>>
>>1.b. Na dile, keno na?
>>
>>2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
>>
>>2.a. Hole, keno?
>>
>>2.b. Na hole, keno na?
>>
>>3. Tomar mate, Sunil'ke patta na deowa ki be-aini kore deowa uchit? [yes/no]
>>
>><Repeat questions 2.a and 2.b.>
>>
>>Uttor'r protikkhai,
>>Apratim.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Shei nimesh'r ashesh uttoriyo Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
>>Shab ramoni'ke mone hoto ramoniyo are my own and shouldn't be construed in
>>Jadukarder mela boshe jeto swapane| any way to represent that of my employer.
>> - Arun Kumar Sarkar.
>
>
>--
>Shei nimesh'r ashesh uttoriyo Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
>Shab ramoni'ke mone hoto ramoniyo are my own and shouldn't be construed in
>Jadukarder mela boshe jeto swapane| any way to represent that of my employer.
> - Arun Kumar Sarkar.
sayan bhattacharyya
>Mostly we are grown up in
>maledominant
>society. So her aggressive
>feminism could not be tolerated in our culture.
If that is true, then I say that it is time that we changed our culture
(and I am saying this for both Bengals, not just for Bangladesh or West
Bengal).
Come guys, let us give a big push and throw this culture of ours
which does not respect women, into the nearest sea (which would be the Bay of
Bengal, I presume). We can do it if we have enough hands. Heave-ho ...
-Sayan.
P.S. Fatwas and/or manusmriti/vedic indictments will be redirected
to /dev/null.
sayan bhattacharyya
Samir Bhattacharya <s...@hogpa.att.com> wrote:
>Seriously. Jodi kono boi thaake ja 'bhalo bhalo' LM-e purbo-prokashito
>lekha niye songkolito, tahole aro bhalo hoy.
You should get in contact with Anushtup, which is a publishing house
in addition to being an excellent Little Magazine. It is incidentally
one of the rare magazines which has set a precedent for longevity (it is
still going strong after nearly 30-odd years). Anushtup (the publishing
house) often publishes collections of important articles that were first
published in the pages of Anushtup (the magazine).
You should send email to Soumitra Bose (soum...@ix.netcom.com) who can
give you the address of Anushtup and the phone number of its editor, Anil
Acharya. I used to have Mr. Acharya's phone number but can't find it at the
moment. You should definitely get in touch with them and ask them to send
you a catalog of both their book publications and of available back issues.
In particular, the special issue on Shonkho Ghosh Anushtup brought out
some time ago really stands out in my memory as a fine exampel of literary-
critical scholarship.
szm...@alpha.cc.oberlin.edu
In article <325CFB...@hbo.com>, Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
I can believe that, because of the sheer number of people in Bangladesh
compared with people in west bengal. I don't think that everyone in WB even
reads bengali!
zaed----------------------------------Oberlin
>Soumitra Bose wrote:
>
>> anadobajar potrika bole Sunil er boi BAngladeshe beshi bikri hoiecheh..
>
>Proof for this statement?
Kalpataru Barman
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
> Kichhu proshno:
>
> 1. Tumi ki Sunil'ke patta dao? [yes/no]
> 2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
*** No. Kenona taholey Sunil matahi uthey bosbey. Aar bhalo lekhaar
kono tagid thaakbey naa.
>
> 3. Tomar mate, Sunil'ke patta na deowa ki be-aini kore deowa uchit? [yes/no]
*** No. See Ans 2.
Naeem Mohaiemen
Pavel wrote:
>
> Naeem,
> Are we missing something here?
You are adding some of the missing parts into the debate. Dhonnyobad.
> 1. Sunilkey asoley or lekha diye judge kora uchit.. Even Taslimakeo.
> Suniler upponas amar kharap lagey na.. kichu kichu beshvalo lagey. kintu
> onekdin suniler kono lekha porhi na...Or kobita khub kom porechi.
His writing should be judged to evaluate him as a writer.
I was describing the social phenomenon of Sunil's interaction w BD, some
very good [as when he said future of Bangla was in BD] and some not so
positive.
My thread was never intended as a critique of his writing.
Even my infamous {and deliberately inflammatory, and in retrospect
foolish] comment that "Shunil is a GOBET" was purely reflective of my
frustration w his role/misguided attempts to help which actually hurt
progressives by giving Jamaat a mega-weapon.
GOBET was little too much. Me being my usual hot-headed self.
But my later comments should be discussed w/out shadow of GOBET comment
over our heads.
> 2. Jodio anadobazar kolkatay khub nami potrika, etar style amar valo
> lageni.. ki jani onovasey kina...So if Bnagla academy did not consider
> anandobazar-pusorkar, its ok i think...
The issue was not it's style. But it's perceived past role.
> 3. If Taslima accepts that rejected prize then its not at all an insult
> for bangla academy and not even to bangali atel(intellectual) somaj.
Perhaps not in your eyes, but BANGLA ACADEMY and some parts of BD
society, esp Dhaka society, considered it so.
> 4. Bangla academy is a government institution. It is tough to lead the
> cuture and literature of a society under government policies and
> pressure. Kintu bangla-academy is still performing very well. Kintu eta
> goverment institution, kajei kono kono kobi shittiker sathey er 'ganjam'
> lagbei.. So Bangla academy alone does not represent 'bangladeshi atel
> somaj'.
No, but it is our highest OFFICIAL cultural body.
> 6. Bangladesher culturey bichitra, robbar eder bazar sotti besh komey
> gachey. Jay jay din ban hobar por Khoborer kagoj, bichinta esob potrika
> bazarta dhorar chesta korto. Taslima sei somoy esob potrikay likhto. Or
> lekhar style amar valoi lagto. Kintu onek kichutei puro ekmot hotey
> partam na. (bodhoy purus bolei). Kintu or jukti dewar khomota ar lekhoni
> amar valo lagto. Kintu sotti boltey ki, or upponnasgulo ekebari silly
> chilo.. kebol 'columgulo' chilo valo. Conservvative lokhjon thik eta
> hojom kortey pareni. Tai they hit taslima at the first chance. I mean
> taslima was not hit because she attacked religion, she was hit because
> she hit the society.
I agree.
That's why we should be more angry at her. She had the opportunity to
be a revolutionizing impact in Bangladesh. Can you imagine mofossol er
mey rag/bishad/ghrina nie likhche, about men infecting their middle
class wives with the germs they pick up from their prostitutes, all the
while maintaining the facade of "shob kichu thik thak" that we prize so
much? That was Taslima.
SHe had the opportunity to do so much for us. And she threw it all
away. Threw it away with the comment to Calcutta journalist that Koran
needed full revision. In one moment completely gave all her enemies in
BNP, AL, Jamaat, Bangladesh rokkhonshil shomaj, all the ammunition they
needed to bury her.
And they did..
> 7. May be she was wrong in some of her views. Kintu er jonno takey
> deshchara korar kono many nei. Tobey taslima duniajorha nam peyegelo.
> Janina etoborho _sahittik_ o chilo na.
Absolutely, BNP govt did a shameful thing by banning LAJJA and, by not
condemning the death threats, created an environment where she could be
hounded out of the country.
The sad truth? AL is just as oppportunistic and will not let her in
either.
And while we are on the subject: let's not lie about the Bangladesh
Hindu temple smashing after Babri incident.
-It happened
-Jamaat was NOT only party that did it
-BNP, AL goons also did it and stood by in many areas
> 8. Still we cry ' Why AB gave her the prize?'.. Amar vabtey lojja hoy
> amader somajey sohonsilota eto kom jey sahittikra je kono bishoye
> likhtay paren na. Humnayun ahmed was attacked by judges and doctors for
> silly reason... Tumi ekta daktar chorittrokey silly dekhatey parbey na,
> tumi ekjon darhiola lokkey kharap dekhatey parbey na.. tumi kono
> professioner lokkey kharap dekhatey parbey na.. O taholey rupkothar
> golpo lekho..
Your critique of BD society's unwillingness to hear any critique is spot
on.
But should keep that separate from AB award.
AB has history in this and it not simply, OH Bangladesh e amra boro
sporshokathor..there is more going on there
Naeem Mohaiemen
Sambit Basu
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>Sambit Basu wrote:
>> >> >2)Anandabazar gives ANANDA puroshkar to Dhaka's Bangla Academy
>>
>> >> Sunil ekhane bajaare ashchhen ki kore?
>>
>> >What is the connection between the award and your question?
>>
>> In the first place, what is the connection between
>> Sunil Ganguly and your statement?
>ANANDA puroshkar
Tahole shudhu Sunil Ganguly kano? Ananda ebong Ananda
Puroshkar-er shonge shonglishto aro n-jon lok non kano?
>> >> >4)Sunil recommends that AB give the rejected award to Taslima Nasrin.
>>
>> >> Sunil-er recommendation-er information-er source-ta
>> >> ki apnar? Grapevine noy to?
>>
>> >Nice try, but sorry-- matter of public record.
>>
>> Kon record? Kothay paabo? Please be specific.
>Ok, will get it for you.
Dhonyobaad.
>> >Pointing out that award instigated by Shunil snowballed into following
>> >effects.
>>
>> 1. Recommendation and instigation, as far as I know, are
>> not synonymous.
>Didn't say it was.
No, but implied the same. Once you said that Ananda puroshkar
was awarded as *recommended* by Sunil, and then you said
the award was *instigated* by Sunil. Do you see the parallel?
>> 2. According to you, all Sunil did was to _recommend_
>> LOJJA (should be "Nirbachito Colunm)for Ananda
>> Puroshkar, which is awarded by a Business house.
>> If that has so much effect on "progotisheel" bangladeshis,
>> then you must have been miles away from truth while
>> commenting "Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...".
>It had "so much effect" not because of Shunil.
Then why are you accusing Sunil?
>But because award rejected by Bangla Academy was SUBSEQUENTLY given to
>Taslima Nasrin.
>
>> 3. And if a mere recommendation by Sunil has so much
>> effect, I think you will be better off giving him
>> some more "pattha".
>Of course recommendation by Shunil has huge impact on ANandabazar
>decisions.
>What does that have to do w Bangladesh giving him pattha?
Jodi karur "recommendation"-er phol "Bangladesh-er
progotisheel"-der opor amon sudur-proshari atMo-biDombona-r
srishti kore, tobe shei lok-tir karjokolaap-ke patta
deowa "progotisheelota-r" shasthyer pokkhe bhalo.
Bangladesh-er patta-r kotha ami bolini, Bangladesh-er
"progotisheel"-er patta-r kotha bolechhi.
>SLAP ON FACE:
>Because Bangla Academy is our NATIONAL institution.
>It is the highest [in spite of its flaws] institution carrying out
>Bangla cultural activities in Bangladesh.
>Slap #1: A commercial magazine [one that many Bangladeshis associate w
>its role in 1948 and later communal ill-feelings; ergo cartoon on
>Bhashani, etc] from West Bengal was giving an award to Bangladesh's
>HIGHEST NATIONAL cultural institution. Reverse the situation, would
>BICHITRA magazine think to give their yearly award to WB's highest
>cultural institution? No. Because it would be seen as
>oudhotthyo/arrogance
That's BICHITRA's prerogative.
Bangla Academy jodi mone kore je Ananda goshthi tader ANanda
puroshkar debar jogyo noy, shei puroshkar protyakhyan korar
purno odhikar tader royechhe, amonki sheta-ke ouddhotyo bole
bhabte paare. Kintu, er pechhone kono bishesh byakti-r
chokranto aachhe - (promaan chhaDa) amon mone kora, amar
mote, heenomonyota ebong oshomeecheen.
>Slap #2: BA rejects the award. AB then turns around and gives it to
>Taslima Nasrin. This action was seen as, to quote one newspaper article
>"Taslima & Bangla Academy were brought to same level. Was Taslima
>raised, or Bangla Academy lowered?}
E duto-r akta hote-i hobe?
>> >> "progotishilota" ki bangladeshe paranoia, conspiracy theory
>> >> ebong mud-slinging-er somarthok hoye poDechhe?
>>
>> >1)Paranoia/Conspiracy theory:
>>
>> >You deleted my last para, which shows that I do not think this was a
>> >conspiracy on Shunil's part. here it is:
>>
>> Apnar post-e akguchchho point-e matro duti-te Sunil-er
>> ullekh chhilo, bakiguli-te nishchoi Sunil ganguly-r
>> "odrishyo kaalo haat" apni dekhechhen, noile sheguli
>> ei thread-e lekhar kono proyojon chhilo na.
>>
>> Paranoia/Conspiracy Theory-r ullekh-er karon ei.
>No, Idid not say his "invisble hand" in events such fatwa, BJP, etc.
>I described snowballing effect of his ANANDA award efforts.
If one wishes, this particular snowball can be traced back
to any event, remotely connected to this. All one needs
to have is a wild imagination!
>> >" Perhaps Sunil had good intentions.
>>
>> >But result of his patronizing, high-handed, "I know what's good for you"
>> >fumbling has been a controversy that did great damage to relations
>> >between West Bengal and Bangladesh. "
>>
>> >2)mud-slinging:
>>
>> >Show me where I maligned Shunil's character.
>>
>> Without enough factual substantiation, you are accusing
>> Sunil Ganguly of planning a rift between WB and Bangladesh!
>> Isn't that enough?
>Read my last paragraph:
>"Perhaps Sunil had good intentions. But result of his.."
^^^^^^^
>Result is NOT EQUAL to "planning a rift".
Naeembabu, conjectures - positive or negetive - are not
good sources for making allegations, IMO. Especially, when
you cannot establish a rational and logical cause-and-effect
relationship between your conjecture and the result.
Sambit
ps. Ei thread-e amar shesh post. "Anandabazar vs Bangladesh"
- ei shironaam diye amar kono boktobyo nei, tachhaDa alochona-r
muul proshongo onyo chhilo bole-i amar dharona.
Naeem Mohaiemen
Asif Saleh wrote:
> Sunil's track record in championing Bangladesh's cause is proven.
> Those who are accusing Sunil should just go to the library and
> start reading "Purbo-Poshchim" once again to refresh their memories.
I've read PURBO POSHCHIM.
Again I wrote, "His intentions may have been godd, but result.."
> See above. Although I fail to see why Sunil is solely to be blamed for
> this politics.
He is not to be blamed solely for it.
> The only reason I can see Bangladeshi intellectuals feel insulted is
> becuase of the fact that all those years before 1992 Anandabaja Prokashona
> just ignored the likes Shamsur Rahman, Syed Shamsul Haque and Abul Hasan
> and all on a sudden they went ga ga over Taslima because of her
> anti-Islam attitude.
You don't even have to go that far.
What about
Rudro Mohammed Shahidullah
Nasrin Jahan
Humayun Ajad
Farhad Mazhar ["Suddenly Ready For Export Woman Production Machine",
etc]
Shahid Kadri
Nirmolendu Goon?
etc.. etc
Where was AB then?
> However, quoting Ahmad Sofa as the representative
> of Bangladeshi intelleetuals is not wise since he is only considered
> to be an extremist in Bangladeshi circle. Besides, he had
> personal conflict with Taslima as well.
I didn't say he was representative.
Thing I like about him is, thar mukhe kono lagam nai. Onnyora jeta
rekhe dheke rakhe, for rpopriety, he just blurts out. Which is not to
say he is not often wrong. But at least he soeaks HIS mind, and doesn't
try to be polite.
Personal conflicts yes. But if you ACTUALLY read him, you will see he
mentions that upfront and says, in spite of our conflicts
--
Naeem "Jodi thor jukthi/chithkar keu mane na, thobe ekla cholo he"
Mohaiemen
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>>Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>>
>>>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>>>>
>>>> >Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>>>>
>>>> Kano?
>>
>>>Baje lekhe thai.
>>
>> Tai?
> 'O.' kintu ekhane aro suprojukto hoto Sambit.
O.
Sambit
Naeem Mohaiemen
Mone hoi successfully various threads [Taliban, Sunil, Anandabazar, etc]
er maddhyome successfully antagonized ALL possible factions in the
world.
AT this point, factions jaderke khepiechei include:
leftist
rightist
calcutta
dhaka
shokol dhormio gothro
shokol lingo [purush, sthri, klib--meaning table/chair, etc]
shokol generation
shokol educational discipline
Mone hoi ey season e elections ar nambo na.. :-)
Teknaf theke Thethulia
Shobai bole... Naeemke pita
Ankur Saha
In article <53s5v4$e...@news.cc.oberlin.edu> szm...@alpha.cc.oberlin.edu writes:
>In article <325CFB...@hbo.com>, Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>I can believe that, because of the sheer number of people in Bangladesh
>compared with people in west bengal. I don't think that everyone in WB even
>reads bengali!
>
>
>zaed----------------------------------Oberlin
>
Sesh kathati hoq katha!
Ek to TV'r kalyane ekti nirokkhor projonme'r srishthi hotey cholechhey
Poschim Bongey. Amra chhotobelai je samai-ta galper boi paDtam, ekhon
kishor-kishorira TV dekhey katai.
Ar Ingreji-medium-school-->IIT-or-equivalent-->Bhalo-chakri: ei
padakkhep gulo-r moddhey ar Bangla bhalo shekhar abakash kothai!
Deshe gele lakkho kari: chenashona bangali-ra Ingreji bhul likhley ba
bolley lajja pai. Bangla'r khhetre reaction-ta thik ulto. "Janen to,
Bangla-ta amar thik ashey na!".
Disgusted! Asha korbo BD-te abosthata er cheye bhalo.
>
>
>>Soumitra Bose wrote:
>>
>>> anadobajar potrika bole Sunil er boi BAngladeshe beshi bikri hoiecheh..
>>
>>Proof for this statement?
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Ankur Saha
Manager, Ada WorkShop e-mail: an...@Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Developer Products voice: (415) 786-9110
Naeem Mohaiemen
Ankur Saha wrote:
> Deshe gele lakkho kari: chenashona bangali-ra Ingreji bhul likhley ba
> bolley lajja pai. Bangla'r khhetre reaction-ta thik ulto. "Janen to,
> Bangla-ta amar thik ashey na!".
Fisrt came face to face w this in college here where I wopuld run into
Calcattaya s, of the 90s generation, none of whom could speak Bangla.
Also shopkeeper is bangali, he knows I am a bangal, ohtocho jor korei
amake hindi bollo..
Apratim Sarkar
Ekhetre, jodiyo, 'Tai?''i aro suprojukto hoto. IMHO.
>
>
> Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
In article <53tktq$q...@er6.rutgers.edu> sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>
>>questions were addressed, in particular, to Sambit.
>
>
>>>Kichhu proshno:
>>>
>>>1. Tumi ki Sunil'ke patta dao? [yes/no]
>
>
>
>>>1.a. Dile, keno?
>
> Adhunik ebong shochchho-chinta-r lok. Oshadharon godyo
> lekhen.
>
>>>1.b. Na dile, keno na?
>
>
>
>>>2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
>
>
>
>>>2.a. Hole, keno?
>
> N/A.
>
>
>>>2.b. Na hole, keno na?
>
Eki mairi! Naeem'r shange eto ashfalon-bishfolon'r par seshe 'personal
preference'!?
>>>3. Tomar mate, Sunil'ke patta na deowa ki be-aini kore deowa uchit? [yes/no]
>
> Na.
>
>
>>><Repeat questions 2.a and 2.b.>
>
> Same as above.
>
>
> Sambit
Pavel
Naeem
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>
:> Pavel wrote:
:> >
:> > Naeem,
:> > Are we missing something here?
:>
:> You are adding some of the missing parts into the debate.
Dhonnyobad.
I really donot get enuogh chance to say anything against you.. but this
time
I got u :)
:> > 1. Sunilkey asoley or lekha diye judge kora uchit.. Even
Taslimakeo.
:> > Suniler upponas amar kharap lagey na.. kichu kichu beshvalo lagey.
kintu
:> > onekdin suniler kono lekha porhi na...Or kobita khub kom porechi.
:>
:> His writing should be judged to evaluate him as a writer.
:>
:> I was describing the social phenomenon of Sunil's interaction w BD,
some
:> very good [as when he said future of Bangla was in BD] and some not
so
:> positive.
:>
:> My thread was never intended as a critique of his writing.
:>
:> Even my infamous {and deliberately inflammatory, and in retrospect
:> foolish] comment that "Shunil is a GOBET" was purely reflective of my
:> frustration w his role/misguided attempts to help which actually hurt
:> progressives by giving Jamaat a mega-weapon.
:>
:> GOBET was little too much. Me being my usual hot-headed self.
yeah thats what i figured out.. you were hot-headed..
:> But my later comments should be discussed w/out shadow of GOBET
comment
:> over our heads.
:>
:> > 2. Jodio anadobazar kolkatay khub nami potrika, etar style amar
valo
:> > lageni.. ki jani onovasey kina...So if Bnagla academy did not
consider
:> > anandobazar-pusorkar, its ok i think...
:>
:> The issue was not it's style. But it's perceived past role.
Thats where i have not that much information. But i read some indian for
only some weeks.
:> > 3. If Taslima accepts that rejected prize then its not at all an
insult
:> > for bangla academy and not even to bangali atel(intellectual)
somaj.
:>
:> Perhaps not in your eyes, but BANGLA ACADEMY and some parts of BD
:> society, esp Dhaka society, considered it so.
But its not logical. If u get a prize and refuse it. If i m offered it
after your
rejection. If i accpet it, then how i m insulting you? Even it was given
to Nasrin Jahan or somebody else , some people would be jealous... Its
just the nature of
professional jealousy.. Whats why should we stop awarding anyone?
:> > 4. Bangla academy is a government institution. It is tough to lead
the
:> > cuture and literature of a society under government policies and
:> > pressure. Kintu bangla-academy is still performing very well. Kintu
eta
:> > goverment institution, kajei kono kono kobi shittiker sathey er
'ganjam'
:> > lagbei.. So Bangla academy alone does not represent 'bangladeshi
atel
:> > somaj'.
:>
:> No, but it is our highest OFFICIAL cultural body.
The way BA and some other intellectual bahaved it seems they did not
want
Taslima to be awarded. I donot think AB should have taken BA's consent
before
awarding Taslima...
:> > 6. Bangladesher culturey bichitra, robbar eder bazar sotti besh
You know what ? Nobody is perfect. So not everything Taslima was writing
was depicting our society. We could criticize her. Thats not the way she
was treated. The statement for which Taslima was _convicted_ was not at
all
matured one. But i think more offensive comments even went through
without any protest. Some newspapers just picked it up to hit her. She
denied that she
said it and its even possible that 'newspapers can use some
_creativity_'.
:> SHe had the opportunity to do so much for us. And she threw it all
:> away. Threw it away with the comment to Calcutta journalist that
Koran
:> needed full revision.
Its silly comment. How she can make it is not understandable to me. I
wrote
about it before...
:> In one moment completely gave all her enemies in
:> BNP, AL, Jamaat, Bangladesh rokkhonshil shomaj, all the ammunition
they
:> needed to bury her.
Yeah what ever you do some of those guys will find faults in you.
Humayun Ahmed
niriho manus.. Takeo ki kom somalochona kora hoyechey?
:> And they did..
>
:> > 7. May be she was wrong in some of her views. Kintu er jonno takey
:> > deshchara korar kono many nei. Tobey taslima duniajorha nam
peyegelo.
:> > Janina etoborho _sahittik_ o chilo na.
:>
:> Absolutely, BNP govt did a shameful thing by banning LAJJA and, by
not
:> condemning the death threats, created an environment where she could
be
:> hounded out of the country.
As matter of fact she got more fame she was due. now she became so
controversial
that everybody will read whatever she writes and noboy is going to take
her
seriously.. nobody is going to praise her...But i think she had some
real potential.
:> The sad truth? AL is just as oppportunistic and will not let her in
:> either.
Yeah they are so...Thats poletics...
:> And while we are on the subject: let's not lie about the Bangladesh
:> Hindu temple smashing after Babri incident.
>
:> -It happened
:> -Jamaat was NOT only party that did it
:> -BNP, AL goons also did it and stood by in many areas
Yes they did...
I like her in a way that she was trying to depict something that others
were afraid to touch.. But her xecellence was as a columnist not as
a novelist
:> > 8. Still we cry ' Why AB gave her the prize?'.. Amar vabtey lojja
hoy
:> > amader somajey sohonsilota eto kom jey sahittikra je kono bishoye
:> > likhtay paren na. Humnayun ahmed was attacked by judges and doctors
for
:> > silly reason... Tumi ekta daktar chorittrokey silly dekhatey parbey
na,
:> > tumi ekjon darhiola lokkey kharap dekhatey parbey na.. tumi kono
:> > professioner lokkey kharap dekhatey parbey na.. O taholey
rupkothar
:> > golpo lekho..
:>
:> Your critique of BD society's unwillingness to hear any critique is
spot
:> on.
:>
:> But should keep that separate from AB award.
Yeah you might want to make it a separate point. But to me there is a
relation
between awards and contemporary literature. I was bored to read 'imdadul
hoque'er
panpanani premer golpo.. Humayun Ahmedo jeno eki golpo barbar likhey
cholchilen.
Tader lekha valo.. kintu jiboner somossa chilo. It was time to create
some new
subject. And the guys like Anisul hoque, Taslima Nasrin, Nasrin Jahan
they were
really creating something new. I was happy to know that somebody of new
generation
goit awarded. Some of the puronoatel did not like it.
Believe me i tried to ask people about 'humayun azad''s nari. I found no
girl
who liked it. I still believe Taslima did a better job than him. I liked
some
of Humayun azad's writing. But really Taslima's nari-bisoyok lekhagulo
Humayun
Azader cheye better chilo. She was extreme in some cases, but she went
to real
points.
I saw the guys you proposed for anando Award. I guess Taslima started to
write
ahead of Nasrin Jahan. She was a little more famous than Nasrin. Both
have
different kind of capability and lack. But the way i appreciate Taslima
she
started the trend.
Even if they awarded Nasrin Jahan. the problem would not be solved. May
be
Nasrin Jahan would be Taslima Nasrin. You probably know that Nasrin
Jahan
signed the campaign supporting Rushdie's freedom of speech. (Taslima
signed
it and the retreated). So she would be hit if she were as famous as
Taslima.
Humayun Azad himself is also controversial in that sense. But he got the
award we would have solved the problem. Becuase his nari was more
charming to
sexist guys than weman.. Thats Taliban peacefulness... Some of us donot
like it
Some of us like wars more than Taliban peacefulness...
Farhad Mazhar, Goon, Kadri kaukei award diley sobaikey khusi kora jeto
na. Ebong
tader keui oi trend ta toiri koreni.. SAid nothing new at the
contemporary time.
I liked some of Farhad Mazhar writing. Goon was great. But Lets take an
example howabout awarding on a poem
"amar kobitay ami jeno sheikh mujiber kotha boli"...
No.. its not the realy problem of the society.. Farhad Mazhar was also
interested
with silly poletical issues.. "BNP kharap AL kharap" eisob kotha jemon
amra ekhaney torkatorki kori.. esob bishoy award ditey holey dewa uchit
safiq rehmankey... (My personal choice is Anisul
Hoque[Desbondhu/Purbavas]) Even Minar Mahmud.. But I guess that
was not way too different... We were criticizing poleticians for over a
long time.
Rudro was a potential poet, but he was a spoiled guy..HE never utilized
his full
potential. Shahid Kadri was great.. (I read very few of his poems)
But the Taslima was different. She took a new subject that really
effects the society. She hit the society.. May be some of her critcisism
were not at all
justified.. but weman really started to read her. Some sexist people
started to
hate her.. Her effort was continuosly directed to an aim.. So i did not
find it
unjustified
:> AB has history in this and it not simply, OH Bangladesh e amra boro
:> sporshokathor..there is more going on there
:>
About AB you may be correct.. but i donot find anything wrong with
recommending
Taslima Nasrin for AB award..
:> Naeem Mohaiemen
Regards
-Pavel
Indranil DasGupta
Mahmud Husain (mhu...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> wrote:
: >>Naeem Mohaiemen:
: >>Taslima fiasco & Sunil's role
: >
: >>>Sambit Basu wrote:
: >>>E golpo-ta ki? (What's the story?)
: >
: >SUNIL & TASLIMA: A TALE OF 2 CITIES
: >
: [deleted to enhance understanding]
: Aei Naeem chaoyal-ta borDo bipake falaya dae...aare baap tomar ki kaam babujan aar
: didimoshai-go loge takko korar! Bangal chaoyal, u(n)hara hoilen giya amago bap dada
: choiddo-gusthir shikkhok...amago aaji jayi dakho shob khaniktai-e ta(n)go kirpa-ey.
: Kadachit bhuliyo na jadu. Aalpo boyosh to, g(h)ar taera mi aakhono rakte-r majhe
: uthal pathal kore.
: Be-akkal, bet-tamij ta-re aapnara maaf koira diyen nijer kiripay:)
: Saarbo bangal-er pakkhey,
: Mahmud Husain.
Darun diyechhen! Amar-i du-kan lal hoye galo (bangal-er chhele bole).
Ar Naeem-er ja korlen tar kachhe Taslima-r boi-melar obhigyota-o dNaDay
na bodh-hoy.
IDG.
Naeem Mohaiemen
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> In article <325F32...@cs.purdue.edu>, Pavel <n...@cs.purdue.edu> wrote:
>
> >Mostly we are grown up in
> >maledominant
> >society. So her aggressive
> >feminism could not be tolerated in our culture.
>
> If that is true, then I say that it is time that we changed our culture
> (and I am saying this for both Bengals, not just for Bangladesh or West
> Bengal).
>
> Come guys, let us give a big push and throw this culture of ours
> which does not respect women, into the nearest sea (which would be the Bay of
> Bengal, I presume). We can do it if we have enough hands. Heave-ho ...
This is an oversimplification, BUT:
It's a MALE problem more than a CULTURAL problem.
The problem is US, and we invent cultural artifacts that help us justify
our sexism.
That's why, woman hating comes up in various forms in all cultures.
Some society's have gone through reform to change, we have a long way to
go.
Perhaps push all the men [myself included] into the sea..? :-)
Completely multi-culti quote here from a John Lennon song:
"Woman is the NIGGER of the world
Yes she is
We make her paint her face and dance
And when she tries to be free
We accuse her of trying to be a MAN.."
[words a bit hodge podge]
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>While response from the general reader is most welcome, the following
>questions were addressed, in particular, to Sambit.
>I wrote:
>>Kichhu proshno:
>>
>>1. Tumi ki Sunil'ke patta dao? [yes/no]
Yes.
>>1.a. Dile, keno?
Adhunik ebong shochchho-chinta-r lok. Oshadharon godyo
lekhen.
>>1.b. Na dile, keno na?
N/A.
>>2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
No.
>>2.a. Hole, keno?
N/A.
>>2.b. Na hole, keno na?
Personal preference.
Mahmud Husain
bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
>Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> wrote:
>
>>amake hindi bollo..
>
>and English is nowadays the language of choice of many of the sons and
>daughters of the elite class in Calcutta.
>
I haven't lived in Dhaka for a while, curious if the same holds true for the upper
classes there.
The ethnic makeup of the place is also important, does it have to do with the fact
that the financial and cultural elite of Calcutta is largely non-bengali and
all-indian and Calcutta has ceased to be a bengali city!
btw, diversity has to be celebrated and not resisted, if anything bengali language
and culture will be enriched in the long run by contributions from various
ethnicities that inhabit Calcutta.
Mahmud Husain.
sayan bhattacharyya
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> wrote:
>Also shopkeeper is bangali, he knows I am a bangal, ohtocho jor korei
>amake hindi bollo..
I've noticed this too. Apparently a strange dialect of mixed Hindi
and English is nowadays the language of choice of many of the sons and
daughters of the elite class in Calcutta.
sotyo seleucus bichitro bichitro ei desh (ebong bichitrotoro tahar
uchcho shreni) ...
Fortunately, the culture of the parasitic elite class does not constitute
the culture of a nation. Never has, never will. It is the common people
who nurture, and in turn are nurtured by, the language.
"So long as life can breathe or eyes can see,
You live in this, and this gives life to thee."
-- William Shakespeare.
Ankur Saha
In article <53rn5m$n...@news.eecs.umich.edu> bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>Samir Bhattacharya <s...@hogpa.att.com> wrote:
>
>>Seriously. Jodi kono boi thaake ja 'bhalo bhalo' LM-e purbo-prokashito
>>lekha niye songkolito, tahole aro bhalo hoy.
>
>You should get in contact with Anushtup, which is a publishing house
>in addition to being an excellent Little Magazine. It is incidentally
>one of the rare magazines which has set a precedent for longevity (it is
>still going strong after nearly 30-odd years). Anushtup (the publishing
>house) often publishes collections of important articles that were first
>published in the pages of Anushtup (the magazine).
>
Anushtup-er thikana:
Anushtup
Anil Acharya, Editor
2E Nabin Kundu Lane
Calcutta 700009
India.
Sayan is right. IIRC, eta Anushtup-er 31 bachhar chalchhey.
>You should send email to Soumitra Bose (soum...@ix.netcom.com) who can
>give you the address of Anushtup and the phone number of its editor, Anil
>Acharya. I used to have Mr. Acharya's phone number but can't find it at the
>moment. You should definitely get in touch with them and ask them to send
>you a catalog of both their book publications and of available back issues.
>In particular, the special issue on Shonkho Ghosh Anushtup brought out
>some time ago really stands out in my memory as a fine exampel of literary-
>critical scholarship.
>
I agree 100%. Anushtup has also published collected works of Birendra
Chattopadhyay: I have seen the 1st 2 volumes.
sayan bhattacharyya
Mahmud Husain <mhu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>btw, diversity has to be celebrated and not resisted, if anything bengali language
>and culture will be enriched in the long run by contributions from various
>ethnicities that inhabit Calcutta.
True, and indeed the different ethnic communities living in Calcutta have
enriched Calcutta's cultural life (the vibrant Hindi-language theater of
Calcutta, such as Usha Ganguli's theater group "Rongokormee" and Shyamanand
Jalan's Calcutta-based Hindi-language theater unit, is a good example of this).
What I lamented was not the diffusion of cultural diversity
or heterogeneity (which is always welcome) but homogenization of a bland
non-culture, which is what the elites are professing more and more. Now
I couldn't care less what the elites do -- they could go to hell on a
handbasket as far as I am concerned. My concern is because, just because
they have a lot of money and control of the media, the elite have the
power to disseminate and even impose their non-culture on the people. I
am certain, however, that the people will resist it, and certain developments
in the past few years (such as the popularity of Suman Chattopadhyay)
indicates to me that good culture will definitely survive.
Apratim Sarkar
txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu writes:
>Samir Bhattacharya wrote:
>
>> Ei 20%-er opore aro ektu kichhu bolle bhalo hoy -- jamon kothay paowa
>> chhaDao probondho-bohul kono L.M. aachhe ki?
>
>konta thikthak little magazine ar konta noy, sheta oboshyo byektigoto
>ruchir byapar:
Tathagata to prai shab naam'i bolechhe, ar amar ja naam mone poRchhe
Kobita Pakkkhik, Haowa 41, Uttorsuri (ar bodhai beroi na), Ei
Dashak (ar beroi na, Ramanath Ray okhan theke shuru korchhilen) ...
>1. Porichoy
>2. Baromash
>3. Ekhkhon
>4. Proma
>5. Onushtup
>6. Choturongo
>7. Shomotot
>8. Nouko
>9. Dorga Road
>10. KobitaKatha
>11. Bibhab
>12.Korok
>13. Kourob
>14. Jigyasha
>15. Obhimaan
>16.Roktomangsho
>17. Punorboshu
>18.Mohadigonto
>19. Shongbed
>20. Kobiteertho
>21. Onuborton
Er modhye Anubartan o Kourab, e duti'ke ami jorgalai recommend
korbo.
Anubartan, prochur bhalo probondho ebang anubad, Eliot'r religion
o sahityer opor lekha ekti probondho'r anubad poRlam, also
Keats o Blake'r opor par par duti shankhya'i duti lekha beriyechhilo.
Purono Bangla Kobita ebang gaan'r ekti section thake, interested
lok'der kachhe gold mine. Golpo kobita - Goutam Basu (IMHO Shottor'r
anyatamo most powerful kobider modhye ekjan), Apabrita'r lekhaguli ...
[Shamit Mandal'r kobita paRen keu?]
Kamal Kumar Majumdar jakhan jibito, jakhan 'baRo baRo' potrika
tar lekha chhapto na, takhan tar kichhu lekha Kourab'e thekei poRechhi.
Bishesh droshtobyo, "Khela'r Protibha' naam'e ekti ashadharan chhoto
galpo. Kamal Chakrabarty'r prothom tinti upanyash okhane poRechhi.
Khub bhalo legechhilo, "Amar Paap" ityadi ...
Bibhab bhaloi lagto ek shomoi, bohudin poRi na. Khub bhalo
kichhu contemporary cinema'r script beruto, ekhono beroi kina jani
na. Uttorsuri jakhan beruto amar khub priyo chhilo. Prochur godye
bhara thakto, prochur probondho. Darga Road'r
shange jehetu amar bishesh priyo (o shroddheyo) kajan kobi jukto,
perhaps ami biased DR'r byapare, tabe DR'o amar besh bhalo lage.
Kobita Pakkhik'o. Nouko ek-duto issue hate eshechhilo, opinion
form kara'r moto jaiga'i ashini. Same for Samatat o Korak. Haowa 41
ekti shankhya poRechhi, khub interesting kichhu probondho chhilo
Bangla sahitye po-mo niye, aro kichhu probondh'r anubad chhilo. [Tar
baire abashyo bhalo lageni.] Future issues deshe giye hate ele poRbo
definitely.
>Ekti ononto Mohashagorer ayk-bindu pani dekhalam. Oi 80-20 bibhajon-ti
>nijerai korey nin. Little magazine shomporke ekta procholito probaad
>holo jey tara khonojeebi. Tar ekta karon hoyto ei jey Little magazine
>lokey pocketer poyshay ber korey thake.
E proshonge, Anubartan shampadakmadali'r anyatamo Gautam Sengupta
amake probashi utshuk pathakder drishti akarshan korte bolechhilen.
anubartan'r ekti editorial'e'o e katha bala hoyechhe. KhNuje ber kore
sheti post korbo. [Na, ami Anubartan'e likhi na, shudhu'i poRi.
Connection shudhu o'i tukui.]
>Anek kagoj chchilo jara ar nei,
>thakley amar nijoshwo prithibita arektu shondor hoto. Jemon Shotobhisha.
>Mrinal Dutta-ke bohu onurodh koreo oti ar b(n)achiye rakha jayni.
Byapar't thik ta noi kintu, Tathagata. Arthik dik diye antoto
Satabhisha'r (antoto ekjan) patronizer'r abhab nei. Satabhisha
bandho hoye jaowa'r onyo karan achhe.
Tabe bhaloi hoyechhe ekdik theke je Satabhisha ar beroi na.
Choritrogata dik theke je Satabhisha Dipankar Dasgupta, Tarun
Mitra o Alok Sarkar ber korten, Surajit Ghosh o Abhirup Sarkar
sampadito Satabhisha tar theke alda, Mrinal Dutta o Kalikrishna
Guha'r ber kara Satabhisha to ekebarei onyo ekti potrika.
Shab kichhuri ekta natural death achhe. Satabhisha niye ekhan CU'te,
Bardhaman University'te, North Bengal'e lok'e Bengali Literature'e
PhD thesis lekhe. Notun potrika'de gracefully jaiga chheRe deba'r
shomoi ekhan. [Eti'i Alok Sarkar'r mat.]
>Shoumyo.
>Apekhkhay,
Apratim.
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>In article <53tqar$l...@er6.rutgers.edu> sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>>
>>>sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>>
>>>>Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kano?
>>>>
>>>>>Baje lekhe thai.
>>>>
>>>> Tai?
>>
>>> 'O.' kintu ekhane aro suprojukto hoto Sambit.
>>
>>
>>
>> O.
> Ekhetre, jodiyo, 'Tai?''i aro suprojukto hoto. IMHO.
O, tai?
Sambit
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>In article <53tktq$q...@er6.rutgers.edu> sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>>>While response from the general reader is most welcome, the following
>>>questions were addressed, in particular, to Sambit.
>>
>>>I wrote:
>>
>>>>Kichhu proshno:
>>>>
>>>>1. Tumi ki Sunil'ke patta dao? [yes/no]
>>
>> Yes.
[...]
>>>>2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
>>
>> No.
[...]
>>>>2.b. Na hole, keno na?
>>
>> Personal preference.
> Eki mairi! Naeem'r shange eto ashfalon-bishfolon'r par seshe 'personal
> preference'!?
Ami to bhai, patta-na-deowa sommondhe kichhu bolini,
patta na debar karon-ta-ke contest korchhilum!
Sambit
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim Sarkar writes:
[...]
> Kamal Kumar Majumdar jakhan jibito, jakhan 'baRo baRo' potrika
> tar lekha chhapto na, takhan tar kichhu lekha Kourab'e thekei poRechhi.
BeDe paka chhile to!!!
[...]
Srabani
Arnab Gupta
Sayan Bhattacharya wrote:
..[deleted]..
>True, and indeed the different ethnic communities living in Calcutta have
>enriched Calcutta's cultural life (the vibrant Hindi-language theater of
>Calcutta, such as Usha Ganguli's theater group "Rongokormee" and Shyamanand
>Jalan's Calcutta-based Hindi-language theater unit, is a good example of this).
>
>What I lamented was not the diffusion of cultural diversity
>or heterogeneity (which is always welcome) but homogenization of a bland
>non-culture, which is what the elites are professing more and more. Now
Aykta udahoron paoa jaabe ei `non-culture'-er ?
>I couldn't care less what the elites do -- they could go to hell on a
>handbasket as far as I am concerned. My concern is because, just because
>they have a lot of money and control of the media, the elite have the
>power to disseminate and even impose their non-culture on the people. I
>am certain, however, that the people will resist it, and certain developments
>in the past few years (such as the popularity of Suman Chattopadhyay)
>indicates to me that good culture will definitely survive.
Achha ei `elite' kara ? Uporer lekha porley mone hoi `poishaola' sreni|
Taholey ki eta dhorey nebo je `gorib' srenir lokera ei `non-culture'er
prishthoposhokota korey na ?
Arnab.
Rabbul H. Mirza
Great Title! It's one of those that reflects the attitude or to be
more precist 'the mind set' of a SCB reader/contributor.. Ha..Ha.
Let's see how many people I can get mad with this comment....
Ciou
Rabbul H. Mirza
--
^^^^^^^^
o | o
|
\___/
Mahmud Husain
bhat...@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) wrote:
>Mahmud Husain <mhu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>btw, diversity has to be celebrated and not resisted, if anything bengali language
>>and culture will be enriched in the long run by contributions from various
>>ethnicities that inhabit Calcutta.
>
>enriched Calcutta's cultural life (the vibrant Hindi-language theater of
>Calcutta, such as Usha Ganguli's theater group "Rongokormee" and Shyamanand
>Jalan's Calcutta-based Hindi-language theater unit, is a good example of this).
>
>What I lamented was not the diffusion of cultural diversity
>or heterogeneity (which is always welcome) but homogenization of a bland
>non-culture, which is what the elites are professing more and more. Now
>handbasket as far as I am concerned. My concern is because, just because
>they have a lot of money and control of the media, the elite have the
>power to disseminate and even impose their non-culture on the people. I
>am certain, however, that the people will resist it, and certain developments
>in the past few years (such as the popularity of Suman Chattopadhyay)
>indicates to me that good culture will definitely survive.
>
>
The elites historically, in bengal at least, subscribed to and promoted a norm of
cultural discourse which was alien to the larger populace. The cultural rejuvenation
of bengal in the nineteenth century was as foreign to the peasents of lower bengal
as the antasarsunnyo non-culture is to the slum dwellers of Calcutta or Dhaka. Their
descendents, us, benefit now from the cultural artifacts which may have seemed to be
irrelevant to the life and times then.
I do agree, however, that a non-culture with no local roots has to be combated since
we may not have the benefit of hindsight a hundred years hence.
Mahmud Husain.
Apratim Sarkar
sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>
>>sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>
>>>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>
>
>>>>2. Tomar mate, shabar'i ki Sunil'ke patta deowa uchit? [yes/no]
>>>
>>> No.
>
>>>>>2.b. Na hole, keno na?
>>>
>>> Personal preference.
>
>> Eki mairi! Naeem'r shange eto ashfalon-bishfolon'r par seshe 'personal
>> preference'!?
>
> Ami to bhai, patta-na-deowa sommondhe kichhu bolini,
> patta na debar karon-ta-ke contest korchhilum!
Keno, personal preference!
> Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>
>>sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>>
>>>asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
>>>
>>>>sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>>>
>>>>>Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@hbo.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sambit Basu wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sunil Ganguly sommondhe Naeem Mohaiemen likhechhen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Amra tho Shunil ke pattha-i dei na...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kano?
>>>>>
>>>>>>Baje lekhe thai.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tai?
>>>
>>>> 'O.' kintu ekhane aro suprojukto hoto Sambit.
>>>
>>> O.
>
>> Ekhetre, jodiyo, 'Tai?''i aro suprojukto hoto. IMHO.
>
> O, tai?
Je kono ekta dilei, jodiyo, ekhane cholto. Duto ektu beshi beshi mone
hochche.