Stress
Snehasis Ganguly
Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
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> Apratim Sarkar wrote:
> >
> > : Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
> > : >
> > : > Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
>
> [..]
> Tumi to ja dekhchhi
> > : > : Snehasis "O'i mental stress dhorlo re baba!" e'i niyei stressed hoye
> > : > : gele. Ektu jheRe kashbe kothaye tomar eto stress?
> > : >
> > : > : Apratim.
> > : >
> > : > Sei purono Apratim! What-you-see-is-what-you-get!
> > : > Sobcher boro stress holo chakri jabar bhoi aar
> > : > faster pace of life.
> >
> > Chakri'r baire'r pace of life to personal byapar.
Personal life ta to professional life-er
opor dependent hoey porbei|
> Personal byapar nishchoi, but it may not be entirely your own personal
> choice.
>
> Ar chakri'te,
> > skilled professional'der bhoy'e thaka'r kono evidence dite paro?
> > Personal anecdote, statistical evidence, anything?
>
Skills get outdated pretty quickly. I have
many examples, segulo to sobai jane |
> Dekhun Apratimbabu, aei kothata ki manen je pink slip-er bhoi e deshe
> beshi? Snehasis bodh hoi she kothatai bolte cheyechhilo....ekhane aykta
> constant, not-so-invisible pressure aachhe to prove yourself at every
> point, day-in day-out, which almost borders on paranoia;
----taai ki sharmila debi? aamar to mone hoy jaara ektu paranoid taarai
aage etaake paranoia hishebe nebe! aar jaara ektu challenging person
I will not consider paranoia as something negative. Andrew Grove's
book, "Only the Paranoid Survive" is a perfect example.
taara aei challenge ke stepping stone hishebe niye jibone at least
orthonoitik ogrogoti'r dike egiye jaabe! aapni khNoj niye dekhte paaren
Setaa to apni Kolkatai marwari businessman -der moton korte
paren| Deshe kothai "Challenge" kom setaa jante pari ki?
je aeideshe jyamon pink-slip paowa'r adhikkyo onek beshi sheirokomi
enterprising entrepreneur-der shonkhyao onek beshi, aar technology'r
Seisonge jara non-technical managerial position aache(kotha
bole poisa kamai) tader sonkhao kom noi|
ogrogoti'r shaathe shaathe taader shonkhya-o onek beDe jachchhe! SBA-te
Seisonge immigrant-der rokto bhangiye khacche,setao besh
bojha jai|
aeirokom lokeder jhuri jhuri example aachhe! aar jodi bolen je proti
Deshe-je eiyrokom lokeder example nei? % statistics dite parben?
pode pode nijeder upojogita-ta promaan kora'r dorkaar nei, ta'le to
"proti pode nijer upojogita" eta kirokom boloder jiboner
moton hoey gelo| Where is the time for culture, music,
food, literature,friendship,politics etc. which enrich the
holistic life?
hoyei gyalo, aykbar nijeder upojogi promaan kore chaakri-te dhuke,
shaara jibon Thanger opor Thang tule, taai bhaangiye khaan! aaraamer
Govt Jobs in India which employ Engineers are not exactly
this stereotypical portrait. Promotions are highly dependent
on work. However, they do not have the "stress" of loosing
the job.
jibon upovog korun! mondo ki bolun! aar shei shukher chaakri jodi
Keu jodi aaraam eto sostai peye jai, tate mondo ki? Apni etake
moral policy hishebe dhorchen keno? Anyora to bokaa, jara eiy
aram ta upobhog korte parlo na!! Jara sobsomoi mori chikar
pechone douracche|
"gormente'r" poyshaay hoy to aaro bhaalo, kono boss-e chokh raangate
Govt.-eo Boss thake, natun natun challenge sekhaneo aache|
paarbe na, mone mone tokhon bolte paarben je "saala, public-er poyshaay
kachchhi, tor baaper poyshaay ki kachchhi?" ----aeita jaanben sharmila
debi je aeideshe at least nijeke protipode nijer upojogita-ta promaan
Aaar tar side effect ta? What about stress? What about heart
attacks, diabetes etc? What about emotional problems?
I fully understand the need to face new challenges and to
overcome fear. This is needed for survival. However, then
the daily life is a struggle. I do not see it as leading to a
higher quality of mental and physical life.
korte hoy bole bojhaa jaay je shomaaj theke aapni kotota nichchhen aar
taar bodole shomaajke kototaa dichchhen! shetaa aamar mote jibone'r
aykta mosto boDo measurment!
Tahole to sob immigrant-kei eiy proshno korte hoey je tumi
desh theke ki niyecho aar ki diyecho? Eiy proshnota amar tolar
icche chilo na, kintu apni tullen bole ami bolchi|
especially for people who have had the opportunity to work in both the
countries and
> are better able to compare.----sure sharmila debi, better comparisons lead to betterment of life, and that goes without any proof!
>
> Sharmila
>
Daduda,
Conditions in Scandinivia seem to be different.
They seem to be more socialistic. For example, public
transportation is non-existent in USA and survival
without car is impossible. I do drive here, especially
when I have to get to the airport three hours away or the
Mall 30 minutes away(To Office I can walk).
I don't find interstate or small town roads stressful.
However, the thought of a 30+30 minute daily commute in
Boston peak traffic just to earn my living,seems to me
very stressful.
Apratim Sarkar
Snehasis Ganguly (sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu) wrote:
: Personal life ta to professional life-er
: opor dependent hoey porbei|
Ekta exclamation mark sentence'r seshe dile unsubstantiated
generalization'ti aro jordar hoto.
: Skills get outdated pretty quickly. I have
: many examples, segulo to sobai jane |
Ghoti'r jol goRiye feudal age'r jomidar'ra kheten. Unfortunately,
bartoman meritocracy'te brohmottor sampotti'r equivalent kichhu
nei. Tatei ki tomar apotti?
: However, the thought of a 30+30 minute daily commute in
: Boston peak traffic just to earn my living,seems to me
: very stressful.
Snehasis, tumi desh'e firo na. Tomar bhalo chai bole bolchhi.
Dine du ghanta Kolkata'r peak traffic'e Boishanghata-Esplanade
korte hole, private bus'e jhule jhule, tomar shukh'r shorire shoibe
na bhai.
Apratim.
Snehasis Ganguly
Apra likheche:-
Personal life ta to professional life-er
: opor dependent hoey porbei|
Ekta exclamation mark sentence'r seshe dile unsubstantiated
generalization'ti aro jordar hoto.
Tumi rheoteric argument |
Deen-e ghonta 24 aache|Professional life-e beshi
dile personal life kom hoey porbei| Eta khub
sahoj anko|
: Skills get outdated pretty quickly. I have
: many examples, segulo to sobai jane |
Ghoti'r jol goRiye feudal age'r jomidar'ra kheten. Unfortunately,
bartoman meritocracy'te brohmottor sampotti'r equivalent kichhu
Baper poisha|
nei. Tatei ki tomar apotti?
Jai hok meritrocracy-er ekta limit acche| Deshe ja
competition chilo tate khanikta outdated hoey geleo
dibbi chalano jai| Kintu eiykhane outdated skill ke
keu pataa deiyna|
Ta chara meritocracy ta adbhut| American der opor oto
pressure nei joto ta jara baire theke aasche|
Deshe Govt. er chakri jogar korateo to meritrocracy
aache boiki!
: However, the thought of a 30+30 minute daily commute in
: Boston peak traffic just to earn my living,seems to me
: very stressful.
Snehasis, tumi desh'e firo na. Tomar bhalo chai bole bolchhi.
Dine du ghanta Kolkata'r peak traffic'e Boishanghata-Esplanade
Ota tomar soibe na| Amar oto sharirik sukh ekhono
hoeni, barong eiykhankar bibitshyo thandai besh
kastoi hoey|
korte hole, private bus'e jhule jhule, tomar shukh'r shorire shoibe
na bhai.
Eiykhanei tumi bujhcho na | 25 bochor dhore to
deshei chilaam| Kolkatai thakakalin to roj bus tram kore
1+1 hour jawaa hoto| Amar ek bandhu to dosh bochor pore
deshe phire geche, tar kono osubidhe hochhe na|
Jaihok, eiykhane manoshik "stress" aar deshe physical
osubidhe| Physical distress sahjyo kora jabe, ota manusher
soey jai, kintu manoshik "stress" sajhyo koraa besh shakto|
Gari chalate stress ta manoshik hoey, sharirik noey|
Apratim.
Koto lok to phire jaache proti bochor , tomar bandhurao
jaache| Sutorang eiyrokom ekta kotha, "desher theke eiykahne
sobai bhalo aache" eta motei juktisangato noi| Oneker jibon
eiykhanei beshi kasthopurno, bisesh kore jara student aache|
PS:
Deshe private sector otota badlai na ja tumi bhabcho,
Robinbabur lekha pore dekho|
--
India-monsoon and marigold, dung and dust, colors and corpses ,
smoke and ash, snow and endless myth- is a cruel, unrelenting
place of ineffable sweetness. It is the most difficult and most
rewarding of places to travel.
-James O'Reilly
--
India-monsoon and marigold, dung and dust, colors and corpses ,
smoke and ash, snow and endless myth- is a cruel, unrelenting
place of ineffable sweetness. It is the most difficult and most
rewarding of places to travel.
-James O'Reilly
Apratim Sarkar
sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu (Snehasis Ganguly) writes:
>
>Apra likheche:-
>
>Personal life ta to professional life-er
>: opor dependent hoey porbei|
>
> generalization'ti aro jordar hoto.
>
> Tumi rheoteric argument |
Very imaginative, I must say.
> Deen-e ghonta 24 aache|Professional life-e beshi
> dile personal life kom hoey porbei| Eta khub
> sahoj anko|
Professional life'e kichhu'ta ditei hobe, jodi na mukto purush hoye
kaaj kormo chheRe dao. Beshi dite hobe emon kon matha'r dibyi achhe?
>: Skills get outdated pretty quickly. I have
>: many examples, segulo to sobai jane |
>
> Ghoti'r jol goRiye feudal age'r jomidar'ra kheten. Unfortunately,
> bartoman meritocracy'te brohmottor sampotti'r equivalent kichhu
>
> Baper poisha|
>
> nei. Tatei ki tomar apotti?
>
> Jai hok meritrocracy-er ekta limit acche| Deshe ja
> competition chilo tate khanikta outdated hoey geleo
> dibbi chalano jai| Kintu eiykhane outdated skill ke
> keu pataa deiyna|
Purono gaDi tumi ki notun'r daam'e keno, Snehasis?
> Ta chara meritocracy ta adbhut| American der opor oto
> pressure nei joto ta jara baire theke aasche|
Eta ekta notun information. Proman chaite bhoy korchhe, abar
tomar verb'r use guliye na jai.
> Deshe Govt. er chakri jogar korateo to meritrocracy
> aache boiki!
Kintu chakri rakhate nei (ki chhilo na at least), ekhanei ki tomar
apotti? Ekbar chakri peyechhi ebar shara jibon boshiye khaowate
hobe?
>: However, the thought of a 30+30 minute daily commute in
>: Boston peak traffic just to earn my living,seems to me
>: very stressful.
>
> Snehasis, tumi desh'e firo na. Tomar bhalo chai bole bolchhi.
> Dine du ghanta Kolkata'r peak traffic'e Boishanghata-Esplanade
>
> Ota tomar soibe na| Amar oto sharirik sukh ekhono
> hoeni, barong eiykhankar bibitshyo thandai besh
> kastoi hoey|
Na shoile maniye nebo ar ki. Thanda'i kosto holeo ki tomar "stress"
hoy?
> korte hole, private bus'e jhule jhule, tomar shukh'r shorire shoibe
> na bhai.
>
> Eiykhanei tumi bujhcho na | 25 bochor dhore to
> deshei chilaam| Kolkatai thakakalin to roj bus tram kore
> 1+1 hour jawaa hoto| Amar ek bandhu to dosh bochor pore
> deshe phire geche, tar kono osubidhe hochhe na|
Tomar she bondhu'ti'r'o ki Boston'e gaRi chalate "stress" hoto?
> Jaihok, eiykhane manoshik "stress" aar deshe physical
> osubidhe| Physical distress sahjyo kora jabe, ota manusher
> soey jai, kintu manoshik "stress" sajhyo koraa besh shakto|
> Gari chalate stress ta manoshik hoey, sharirik noey|
Deshe tumi katota physical stress korechho Snehasis shei niye
mone ekta proshne jagchhe tomar above statement'ti poRa'r por.
Jak ge. Tobe manbe to je onek'r byapar'ta ulto mone hote pare?
Ta gaRi chalate kibhabe "stress" hoy? Subway nao na kyano? BTW,
tumi Boston'e achho naki ekhon?
> Apratim.
>
> Koto lok to phire jaache proti bochor , tomar bandhurao
> jaache| Sutorang eiyrokom ekta kotha, "desher theke eiykahne
> sobai bhalo aache" eta motei juktisangato noi| Oneker jibon
Eta ami kobe bollam Snehasis? Quote korte paro?
> eiykhanei beshi kasthopurno, bisesh kore jara student aache|
Ami ki sheta deny korechhi? Kotha hochchhilo in general niye. Besides
USA'r koto percent grad student?
>PS:
> Deshe private sector otota badlai na ja tumi bhabcho,
> Robinbabur lekha pore dekho|
Amar prochur bondhu/relative deshe chakri kore, tader kachh theke
ja shunechhi bollam. Tobe hotei pare amar impression bhul. Tobe
maine'r byapar'ta'te je noi sheta ami sure, personal experience thekei.
Apratim.
PS: E'i oshombhob boring thread'ti theke jonogon'r shammoti pele
ami chhuti nebo. Jodi karu'r special ichchhe thake, janaben. Noile
tata.
--
Amai jodi dei tara noukati Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
Ami tabe shatshota dNaR aNati are my own and shouldn't be construed in
Pal tule di charte pNachta chhata any way to represent that of my employer.
Mithye ghure beRai na ko hate|
Sambit Basu
asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
> PS: E'i oshombhob boring thread'ti theke jonogon'r shammoti pele
> ami chhuti nebo. Jodi karu'r special ichchhe thake, janaben. Noile
> tata.
Amar ettu special ichchhe chhilo je tumi ei thread-ta
continue koro. Ta'te cholbe?
Sambit
Apratim Sarkar
sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
Iyarki mero na Sambit amar bhishon stress hoy.
> Sambit
Apratim.
Anindya Ghoshal
Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
: sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
: >asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
: >
: >> PS: E'i oshombhob boring thread'ti theke jonogon'r shammoti pele
: >> ami chhuti nebo. Jodi karu'r special ichchhe thake, janaben. Noile
: >> tata.
: >
: > Amar ettu special ichchhe chhilo je tumi ei thread-ta
: > continue koro. Ta'te cholbe?
: Iyarki mero na Sambit amar bhishon stress hoy.
accha tumi ki metallic naa composite?? Tomar stress-strain curve ki linear
naa nonlinear..maane Hooke's Law ki kaatbe tomar belai?? tomar residual stress
aache??? tomar yield stress koto?? MPa -te bolo.. mata ghorom hole
thermo-mechanical stress koto-ta shristhi hoi?? tumi plastic zone-e ki
rokhom behave koro?? computational, analytical ar experimental kaaj jodi
er upor kora hoi tate tomar aapottyi aache?? Experimental stress baar
korar jonye oboshyo tomai tensile testing ar compressive testing machine-e
boste hote paare...tahole bhoja jaabe koto stress ...
Ki raaji??
: > Sambit
: Apratim.
A.
: --
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: Ami tabe shatshota dNaR aNati are my own and shouldn't be construed in
: Pal tule di charte pNachta chhata any way to represent that of my employer.
: Mithye ghure beRai na ko hate|
--
email address: agho...@eng2.uconn.edu
Life is a series of stochastic errors.
Arnab Gupta
Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
>
> Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
> : sam...@eden.rutgers.edu (Sambit Basu) writes:
>
> : >asa...@us.oracle.com (Apratim Sarkar) writes:
> : >
> : >> PS: E'i oshombhob boring thread'ti theke jonogon'r shammoti pele
> : >> ami chhuti nebo. Jodi karu'r special ichchhe thake, janaben. Noile
> : >> tata.
> : >
> : > Amar ettu special ichchhe chhilo je tumi ei thread-ta
> : > continue koro. Ta'te cholbe?
>
> : Iyarki mero na Sambit amar bhishon stress hoy.
>
> accha tumi ki metallic naa composite?? Tomar stress-strain curve ki linear
> naa nonlinear..maane Hooke's Law ki kaatbe tomar belai?? tomar residual stress
> aache??? tomar yield stress koto?? MPa -te bolo.. mata ghorom hole
> thermo-mechanical stress koto-ta shristhi hoi?? tumi plastic zone-e ki
> rokhom behave koro?? computational, analytical ar experimental kaaj jodi
> er upor kora hoi tate tomar aapottyi aache?? Experimental stress baar
> korar jonye oboshyo tomai tensile testing ar compressive testing machine-e
> boste hote paare...tahole bhoja jaabe koto stress ...
>
> Ki raaji??
Anindya onekgulo proshno korechhe Apra. Uttor ditey giye amar
proshnogulo bhuley jeo na.
1. PF kyano bhalo chhobi ?
> : --
> : Amai jodi dei tara noukati Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
> : Ami tabe shatshota dNaR aNati are my own and shouldn't be construed in
> : Pal tule di charte pNachta chhata any way to represent that of my employer.
> : Mithye ghure beRai na ko hate|
2. Ei chartey line tomar ayto bhalo lagey kyano ? Note, aro
aykjon nettor e byaparey agroho dekhiyechhen. Shutorang
eta bojhabar aykta dayitwo tomar achhe.
Arnab.
p.s: Srabani bolchhilo je `Disclaimer'ta jokhon tumi eibhabei
lekho tokhon nishchoi eibhabei likhtey tomar bhalo laage.
Kyano bhalo laage Apra ?
Apratim Sarkar
Arnab Gupta (GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: > : Iyarki mero na Sambit amar bhishon stress hoy.
: >
: > accha tumi ki metallic naa composite?? Tomar stress-strain curve ki linear
: > naa nonlinear..maane Hooke's Law ki kaatbe tomar belai?? tomar residual stress
: > aache??? tomar yield stress koto?? MPa -te bolo.. mata ghorom hole
: > thermo-mechanical stress koto-ta shristhi hoi?? tumi plastic zone-e ki
: > rokhom behave koro?? computational, analytical ar experimental kaaj jodi
: > er upor kora hoi tate tomar aapottyi aache?? Experimental stress baar
: > korar jonye oboshyo tomai tensile testing ar compressive testing machine-e
: > boste hote paare...tahole bhoja jaabe koto stress ...
: >
: > Ki raaji??
Anindya, tumi Snehasis'ke kodin tomar kachhe ene rakho na.
Seriously, ami'i rakhtum, kintu amar kachhe thakle o'r stress baRbe
na kombe she niye amar ektu doubt achhe. Tar opor ami Boston'e
thaki.
: Anindya onekgulo proshno korechhe Apra. Uttor ditey giye amar
: proshnogulo bhuley jeo na.
: 1. PF kyano bhalo chhobi ?
E byapare to agei bolechhi. Ami thoRi jani PF kyano bhalo chhobi,
in fact kishe chhobi bhalo hoy tao jani na. Tumi janle please bole
dao, thanks in advance.
: > : --
: > : Amai jodi dei tara noukati Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are
: > : Ami tabe shatshota dNaR aNati are my own and shouldn't be construed in
: > : Pal tule di charte pNachta chhata any way to represent that of my employer.
: > : Mithye ghure beRai na ko hate|
: 2. Ei chartey line tomar ayto bhalo lagey kyano ? Note, aro
: aykjon nettor e byaparey agroho dekhiyechhen. Shutorang
: eta bojhabar aykta dayitwo tomar achhe.
Bhalo lage janle ki kore? Lage jodiyo. Subjective karone, tomar
jakhon eto jana'r ichche bolchhi. Eta abritti kore amar bhaipo
recitation'e doshe dosh peyechhe, tai.
: Arnab.
: p.s: Srabani bolchhilo je `Disclaimer'ta jokhon tumi eibhabei
: lekho tokhon nishchoi eibhabei likhtey tomar bhalo laage.
: Kyano bhalo laage Apra ?
Arnab, tomar stroinata seshe ondho bishwas'r dike tomake niye
jachchhe. Srabani'r kotha'ta'r kono matha-mundu achhe kina sheta
ekbar bhebe dekhle na, public'e bola'r age?
Apratim.
PS: Dyakho ami tomar etogulo proshner uttor dilum, Juganto kyano
tomar bhalo legechhilo sheta antoto balo? Juganto kyano bhalo
chhobi ar cinema'r rhtyhm kake bole e dutote pore ashchhi.
Emnitei tomar moto "mishti chhele'r" pechhone legechhi bole
baRi'te amar prochur henostha hochchhe.
Snehasis Ganguly
Apratim Sarkar (asa...@bu.edu) wrote:
: Arnab Gupta (GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: : Anindya Ghoshal wrote:
: : >
: : > Apratim Sarkar (asa...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
: : > : Iyarki mero na Sambit amar bhishon stress hoy.
: : >
: : > accha tumi ki metallic naa composite?? Tomar stress-strain curve ki linear
: : > naa nonlinear..maane Hooke's Law ki kaatbe tomar belai?? tomar residual stress
: : > aache??? tomar yield stress koto?? MPa -te bolo.. mata ghorom hole
: : > thermo-mechanical stress koto-ta shristhi hoi?? tumi plastic zone-e ki
: : > rokhom behave koro?? computational, analytical ar experimental kaaj jodi
: : > er upor kora hoi tate tomar aapottyi aache?? Experimental stress baar
: : > korar jonye oboshyo tomai tensile testing ar compressive testing machine-e
: : > boste hote paare...tahole bhoja jaabe koto stress ...
Stress niye khub Garwani iyarkyi hocche. Von Karman,
Von Mises etc. must be turning in their graves.
: : >
: : > Ki raaji??
: Anindya, tumi Snehasis'ke kodin tomar kachhe ene rakho na.
: Seriously, ami'i rakhtum, kintu amar kachhe thakle o'r stress baRbe
: na kombe she niye amar ektu doubt achhe. Tar opor ami Boston'e
: thaki.
Boston gele tomar kache du-teen din rakhbe,
eta ki invitation? Jodi tai hoey to accept korchi|
: : Anindya onekgulo proshno korechhe Apra. Uttor ditey giye amar
: : proshnogulo bhuley jeo na.
: : 1. PF kyano bhalo chhobi ?
: E byapare to agei bolechhi. Ami thoRi jani PF kyano bhalo chhobi,
: in fact kishe chhobi bhalo hoy tao jani na. Tumi janle please bole
: dao, thanks in advance.
This Pulp-fiction thing is out of our discussion
bounds, Apra. But when I saw that movie, I was
horrified by the violence portrayed there.
If people in this society have similar ideas,
then it would be really stress ful for other peace
loving guys :-)
More on this later; I am going to the Canada Border
now.
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim likhechhe
[...]
> Arnab, tomar stroinata seshe ondho bishwas'r dike tomake niye
> jachchhe. Srabani'r kotha'ta'r kono matha-mundu achhe kina sheta
> ekbar bhebe dekhle na, public'e bola'r age?
>
> Apratim.
[...]
Obhimaan korle Apra?
Arnab Gupta
...[deleted]...
> : 1. PF kyano bhalo chhobi ?
>
> E byapare to agei bolechhi. Ami thoRi jani PF kyano bhalo chhobi,
> in fact kishe chhobi bhalo hoy tao jani na. Tumi janle please bole
> dao, thanks in advance.
>
`bhalo' boltey ami ekhaney tomar bhalo lagar kotha bolechhi. Bhalo
tomar khubi legechhilo Apratim, tumi uchhoshito proshongsha korechhiley
chhobitar. Taholey bolo..
Pulp Fiction kyano tomar bhalo legechhilo ?
> : > : --
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> : > : Ami tabe shatshota dNaR aNati are my own and shouldn't be construed in
> : > : Pal tule di charte pNachta chhata any way to represent that of my employer.
> : > : Mithye ghure beRai na ko hate|
>
> : 2. Ei chartey line tomar ayto bhalo lagey kyano ? Note, aro
> : aykjon nettor e byaparey agroho dekhiyechhen. Shutorang
> : eta bojhabar aykta dayitwo tomar achhe.
>
> Bhalo lage janle ki kore? Lage jodiyo. Subjective karone, tomar
> jakhon eto jana'r ichche bolchhi. Eta abritti kore amar bhaipo
> recitation'e doshe dosh peyechhe, tai.
>
Tomar bhaipo to onek kichhui korey. Tumi to shobgulo SCB-te lekhona.
Eta jokhon likhechho tokhon nishchoi bishesh bhabey bhalo laage.
Kyano bishesh bhabe bhalo laage ?
> : Arnab.
>
> : p.s: Srabani bolchhilo je `Disclaimer'ta jokhon tumi eibhabei
> : lekho tokhon nishchoi eibhabei likhtey tomar bhalo laage.
> : Kyano bhalo laage Apra ?
>
> Arnab, tomar stroinata seshe ondho bishwas'r dike tomake niye
> jachchhe.
Stroinota to `ondho bishwash'i. Notun korey abar kirokom `ondho
bishwash' hobe ? Tomar obhigyota achhe naki? Tips nebo taholey.
Srabani'r kotha'ta'r kono matha-mundu achhe kina sheta
> ekbar bhebe dekhle na, public'e bola'r age?
>
Proshno-tar matha-mundu nei kyano ?
> Apratim.
>
> PS: Dyakho ami tomar etogulo proshner uttor dilum, Juganto kyano
> tomar bhalo legechhilo sheta antoto balo?
Eta ami agei bolechhi, ebar tomar pala PF shommondhe lekhar.
Juganto kyano bhalo
> chhobi ar cinema'r rhtyhm kake bole e dutote pore ashchhi.
Tar agey tomar jobabgulo laagbe. Satisfied holey uttor paabe.
> Emnitei tomar moto "mishti chhele'r" pechhone legechhi bole
> baRi'te amar prochur henostha hochchhe.
Tumi etei chintito ????? Stroinotar pothey pa barachho naki Apratim ?
Arnab.
Apratim Sarkar
Arnab Gupta (GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: `bhalo' boltey ami ekhaney tomar bhalo lagar kotha bolechhi. Bhalo
Ekta chhotto point. Amar kyano bhalo legechhilo sheta subjective
point. Kyano bhalo cinema sheta objective. IMHO.
: tomar khubi legechhilo Apratim, tumi uchhoshito proshongsha korechhiley
: chhobitar. Taholey bolo..
Definitely, khubi bhalo legechhilo.
: Pulp Fiction kyano tomar bhalo legechhilo ?
Sense of humor'ta'i jathesto chhilo. Fau hishebe music (very well
blended IMO). Good formatting, editing and acting, tobe American
cinema'te egulo almost given.
: Tomar bhaipo to onek kichhui korey. Tumi to shobgulo SCB-te lekhona.
: Eta jokhon likhechho tokhon nishchoi bishesh bhabey bhalo laage.
: Kyano bishesh bhabe bhalo laage ?
Konodin recitation'e dosh'e dosh peyechho? Pele bujhte.
: Stroinota to `ondho bishwash'i. Notun korey abar kirokom `ondho
: bishwash' hobe ? Tomar obhigyota achhe naki? Tips nebo taholey.
Stroinota ekdharon'r exploitation. Abahomankal dhore meye'ra
chhele'der kore ashchhe. Purushsingho'ra biplober chesta kore.
The rest sell out. Stroinota takhon ondho bishwas'e rupantorito
hoy.
: Proshno-tar matha-mundu nei kyano ?
Achhe bolchho?
: Eta ami agei bolechhi, ebar tomar pala PF shommondhe lekhar.
SCB'te!? Kothay kothay? Prochur moja hobe mone hochchhe.
: Tar agey tomar jobabgulo laagbe. Satisfied holey uttor paabe.
Subjective clause'r modhye ami nei. Ami bolbo, binimoye tumi bolbe.
Ete raji?
: Tumi etei chintito ????? Stroinotar pothey pa barachho naki Apratim ?
Purush manush stroino na hole tar pourush niyei mone proshno jage.
Tobe biplob ashbei, Arnab. Oti ektu swambhu process. Sayan'ke
jigesh korte paro.
: Arnab.
Apratim.
sayan bhattacharyya
Arnab wrote:
>: Stroinota to `ondho bishwash'i.
Off the topic, but...
Achchha, "stroino" kotha-Tir equivalent kono shobdo aachhe ki
mohila-der jonye? i.e., in Bengali, in what do you call a woman
who is overly influenced by her husband as you call "stroino" for
the other-way-round situation?
Jodi emon shobdo na thake, tahole proshno : keno nei?
Soumitri Mukherjee
sayan babu, aamar baangla bhaashhai gyan olpo bole bolte paarlaam na je
'stroino'-r equivalent kono shobdo, jaa kina mohilader jonnyo projojyo,
aachhe kina| aar taa jodi na thaake taahole taar aykta plausible reason
holo hoyto je aamader baangali shomaaj chirokaal purush-shaashito hoye
chole eshechhe (er bhaalo-monder bichaar onnyo kono thread-a korte
paaren aapni), aar taai shadharonoto: purushraai(aar maajhe maajhe shei
purushder dwara influenced howa mohilaara-o) onnyo kono purushke
'stroino' ba 'meyemukho' aei jaatiyo bole, jodi dyakhe shei purush-er
aachoron kono mohila'r aachorone provabito| kaaron aei purush-shashito
shomaaj shadharonoto: purush-er kono mohila'r dwara probhaabito
aachorn-ke normal behavior bole mone kore na| othocho, taara khubi
aashaa kore je mohilara chirokaal purushder dwara provabito hoye cholbe,
ebong shetaai taader kaachhe normal behavior| kaajei mohilader aei
normal behavior-er jonnyei hoyto kono equivalent shobdo toiree hoy ni,
baa holeo taa'r procholon olpo|
etaa aykta interesting discussion hote paare onnyo kono thread-a je
purushder mohilaa-der proti aei 'second class citizen' shworup aachoron
kyano hoy? etaa ki basic natural instinct? praanijogot-er moddhye er
exception aei lekhaa'r muhurte 'pNipDe' aar 'moumachhi' der moddhye mone
poDchhe| tobe maanush jehetu shobtheke chintaashil praani, aashaa koraa
jaay aykdin she taar aei natural instinct-ke joy korte paarbe| tobe taar
jonnye je aaro koto shoto bochhor opekkhaa korte hobe taa jaana nei| aei
posting taa aapnar aar sharmila'r onnyotro aalochito 'Thoughts'-ke
provaabito korte paare|
aar aykta interesting observation je, 'cloning'-er jonnye, at least
theoretically, purushder proyojoniyota furiye gyachhe!:)
---soumitri
sayan bhattacharyya
Soumitri Mukherjee <smu...@erols.com> wrote:
>sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>>
>> Achchha, "stroino" kotha-Tir equivalent kono shobdo aachhe ki
>> mohila-der jonye? i.e., in Bengali, in what do you call a woman
>> who is overly influenced by her husband as you call "stroino" for
>> the other-way-round situation?
>>
>> Jodi emon shobdo na thake, tahole proshno : keno nei?
>
>aachorn-ke normal behavior bole mone kore na|
>normal behavior-er jonnyei hoyto kono equivalent shobdo toiree hoy ni,
>baa holeo taa'r procholon olpo|
My guess was along the same lines.
>purushder mohilaa-der proti aei 'second class citizen' shworup aachoron
>kyano hoy? etaa ki basic natural instinct?
No, this is not a basic natural instinct in humans (although it may
be so in other hominids). This is borne out by the historical
record of existence of early human societies which were free of
gender-based oppression (one notable example being the Minoan
civilization of ancient Crete). I suggest those following
this thread look at the book "The Chalice and the Blade"
by Riane Eisler for documented examples.
Frederick Engels went into this exact question in detail in his book
"The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State". Engels
purports to show that the rise of gender-based oppression was largely
contemporaneous in human history with the rise of the concept of
private ownership of the means of production (which in early societies
meant: ownership of land) as opposed to social ownership. He analyzes
why and how the institution of private ownership of land led to the
rise of gender oppression.
Both these books should be available in libraries.
My view is that since this is not really a "basic" instinct but
rather a "conditioned" instinct, it is indeed possible to get
rid of gender oppression. I believe that this will be possible
only in a democratic socialist society. However, I also think
that while democratic socialism is a _necessary_ condition for
the elimination of gender oppressions, it is not, in and of
itself, a _sufficient_ condition and gender oppression will not
_automatically_ vanish when a democratic socialist society comes
into being all over the earth. It will vanish only through
education and gradual unlearning of oppressive traditions of
the past, and will take some time to disappear completely.
Apratim Sarkar
Srabani Banerjee (BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Apratim likhechhe
: [...]
: > Arnab, tomar stroinata seshe ondho bishwas'r dike tomake niye
: > jachchhe. Srabani'r kotha'ta'r kono matha-mundu achhe kina sheta
: > ekbar bhebe dekhle na, public'e bola'r age?
: >
: > Apratim.
: [...]
: Obhimaan korle Apra?
Iyarki na, Srabani, mugdho janoni'der sammondhe Kobiguru ki
bole gyachhen sheta kheyal rekho.
Apratim.
Apratim Sarkar
Snehasis Ganguly (sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu) wrote:
: Boston gele tomar kache du-teen din rakhbe,
: eta ki invitation? Jodi tai hoey to accept korchi|
Chole esho.
Apratim.
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim likhechhe:
[...]
> : Obhimaan korle Apra?
>
> Iyarki na, Srabani, mugdho janoni'der sammondhe Kobiguru ki
> bole gyachhen sheta kheyal rekho.
eta kano bolle Apra? tumi manush hoyechho kina ei niye keu shondeho
prokaash korechhe naki? amar kintu kono shondeho nei.
Srabani
p.s. ete hobe na Apra. try harder, noile baaji-ta Chaitali jite beriye
jaabe je!
Arnab Gupta
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> Arnab Gupta (GUP...@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>
> : `bhalo' boltey ami ekhaney tomar bhalo lagar kotha bolechhi. Bhalo
>
> Ekta chhotto point. Amar kyano bhalo legechhilo sheta subjective
> point. Kyano bhalo cinema sheta objective. IMHO.
>
kyano ota subjective...aar kyanoi ba eta objective. Ei byapar
niye aykta debate holey sheta subjective hobey naki objective ?
Tomar ki mone hoi ?
> : tomar khubi legechhilo Apratim, tumi uchhoshito proshongsha korechhiley
> : chhobitar. Taholey bolo..
>
> Definitely, khubi bhalo legechhilo.
>
> : Pulp Fiction kyano tomar bhalo legechhilo ?
>
> Sense of humor'ta'i jathesto chhilo. Fau hishebe music (very well
> blended IMO). Good formatting, editing and acting,
1. Sense of humor jotheshto thhaklei tomar bhalo lagbe ?
2. `Good formatting, editing and acting' udahoron shoho bojhao.
tobe American
> cinema'te egulo almost given.
>
Onekta Bimol Mittir-er consistently best-seller lekhar moto.
> : Tomar bhaipo to onek kichhui korey. Tumi to shobgulo SCB-te lekhona.
> : Eta jokhon likhechho tokhon nishchoi bishesh bhabey bhalo laage.
> : Kyano bishesh bhabe bhalo laage ?
>
> Konodin recitation'e dosh'e dosh peyechho? Pele bujhte.
>
Recitation-e dosh-edosh paoata tomar bhalo laage kyano ? (ei
proshno-ta mone koriye deoar jonye Sambit-ke dhonyobaad).
> : Stroinota to `ondho bishwash'i. Notun korey abar kirokom `ondho
> : bishwash' hobe ? Tomar obhigyota achhe naki? Tips nebo taholey.
>
> Stroinota ekdharon'r exploitation. Abahomankal dhore meye'ra
> chhele'der kore ashchhe. Purushsingho'ra biplober chesta kore.
> The rest sell out. Stroinota takhon ondho bishwas'e rupantorito
> hoy.
>
Uporer statement-takey boigyanik tothwer aloke alochona kortey paaro ?
> : Proshno-tar matha-mundu nei kyano ?
>
> Achhe bolchho?
>
Jani na to! Tumi bolle nei tai bojhatey bollam. Cheshta koro bojhatey.
> : Eta ami agei bolechhi, ebar tomar pala PF shommondhe lekhar.
>
> SCB'te!? Kothay kothay? Prochur moja hobe mone hochchhe.
>
Hotei paare.
> : Tar agey tomar jobabgulo laagbe. Satisfied holey uttor paabe.
>
> Subjective clause'r modhye ami nei. Ami bolbo, binimoye tumi bolbe.
> Ete raji?
>
Sheta porey bhaba jaabe. Ami proshno korle uttor je ditei hobey taar
kono maane nei. Proshno korata besh interesting byapar. Tomar thheke
bhalo eta keu janena SCB-te. :-)
> : Tumi etei chintito ????? Stroinotar pothey pa barachho naki Apratim ?
>
> Purush manush stroino na hole tar pourush niyei mone proshno jage.
> Tobe biplob ashbei, Arnab. Oti ektu swambhu process. Sayan'ke
> jigesh korte paro.
>
Boloto dejanews thheke shei postgulo paari. Abar shuru korey dao.
Arnab.
Apratim Sarkar
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: Achchha, "stroino" kotha-Tir equivalent kono shobdo aachhe ki
: mohila-der jonye? i.e., in Bengali, in what do you call a woman
: who is overly influenced by her husband as you call "stroino" for
: the other-way-round situation?
Age aykta example jogaR karo tobe na term.
: Jodi emon shobdo na thake, tahole proshno : keno nei?
Faltu aykta shabdo nashto kore ki labh?
Apratim.
Soumitri Mukherjee
> >>
> >> Achchha, "stroino" kotha-Tir equivalent kono shobdo aachhe ki
> >> mohila-der jonye? i.e., in Bengali, in what do you call a woman
> >> who is overly influenced by her husband as you call "stroino" for
> >> the other-way-round situation?
> >>
> >
> >aachorn-ke normal behavior bole mone kore na|
> >kaajei mohilader aei
> >normal behavior-er jonnyei hoyto kono equivalent shobdo toiree hoy ni,
> >baa holeo taa'r procholon olpo|
>
> My guess was along the same lines.
:), at least we agreed on something.
>
> >purushder mohilaa-der proti aei 'second class citizen' shworup aachoron
> >kyano hoy? etaa ki basic natural instinct?
>
> No, this is not a basic natural instinct in humans (although it may
> be so in other hominids).
If you may agree with the fact that male dominance may be present among
other hominids as a natural instinct, why that would be then an
exception for the humans? any genetical reason? I thought that is
otherway around, that such a feeling is a natural instinct for men
because of their physical strength (and that may be because they don't
bear children)and social conditioning eventually will wipe such
instincts away, but unfortunately the society is reinforcing that.
This is borne out by the historical
> record of existence of early human societies which were free of
> gender-based oppression (one notable example being the Minoan
> civilization of ancient Crete).
You mean to say that gender based oppression was not present when humans
were at the 'hunter-gatherer' stage? Though the concept of a society
might not had been present then but that oppression could have been
present in the family unit itself.
I suggest those following this thread look at the book "The Chalice and
the Blade"
> by Riane Eisler for documented examples.
>
> Frederick Engels went into this exact question in detail in his book
> "The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State". Engels
> purports to show that the rise of gender-based oppression was largely
> contemporaneous in human history with the rise of the concept of
> private ownership of the means of production (which in early societies
> meant: ownership of land) as opposed to social ownership. He analyzes
> why and how the institution of private ownership of land led to the
> rise of gender oppression.
>
---could very well be a plausible reason, I agree.
>
Both these books should be available in libraries.
>
> My view is that since this is not really a "basic" instinct but
> rather a "conditioned" instinct, it is indeed possible to get
> rid of gender oppression.
I believe that this will be possible
> only in a democratic socialist society.
I totally disagree with that. It need not be a socialistic society.
However, I also think
> that while democratic socialism is a _necessary_ condition for
> the elimination of gender oppressions, it is not, in and of
> itself, a _sufficient_ condition and gender oppression will not
> _automatically_ vanish when a democratic socialist society comes
> into being all over the earth.
I do not agree with this at all(the necessary condition). Absence of
oppression against women in the society does not imply democratic
socialism (as you have defined in another thread), unless you redefine
your democratic socialism in that way.
Also you agreed that it is not a sufficient condition.
It will vanish only through
> education and gradual unlearning of oppressive traditions of
> the past, and will take some time to disappear completely.
Now, you made 100% sense. A gradual unlearning of oppressive traditions
against women is a sufficient condition. Also in present society there
are some relegious dogmas, which if not in their sacred books, but at
least in their social interpretation and implementation, reinforce that
oppression against women. Example, current situation in Afganisthan.
Also the social evils that were raised by sharmila in her posting
'Thoughts', are present not just in India, but also in this country and
perhaps almost everywhere in the world. It is surprising to note that at
least such reportable incidents are almost negligible in islamic
countries, perhaps because of the severe punishments available for the
guilty. Note that, I said reportable ones, since we don't know how many
unreportable such incidents are happening to women in their own family,
particularly in islamic countries and as well as elsewhere. I hope in
some way the process of unlearning of oppressive traditions can be made
faster, and perhaps sharmila was looking for such answers in her
posting. But as you know not all questions have easy answers.:)
---soumitri
Apratim Sarkar
I sincerely apologize to all SCB netizens for having started this thread.
Apratim.
Soumitri Mukherjee (smu...@erols.com) wrote:
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim likhechhe:
> : Achchha, "stroino" kotha-Tir equivalent kono shobdo aachhe ki
> : mohila-der jonye? i.e., in Bengali, in what do you call a woman
> : who is overly influenced by her husband as you call "stroino" for
> : the other-way-round situation?
>
> Age aykta example jogaR karo tobe na term.
>
> : Jodi emon shobdo na thake, tahole proshno : keno nei?
>
> Faltu aykta shabdo nashto kore ki labh?
achchha Apra, shob bibahito purush-i jokhon tomar mot-e`stroino', tahole
`atroino' kotha-tai redundant noy? manet tomake `bibahito' bollei jodi
kaaj chole jay tahole khamoka `stroino' bolte jaabo kano?
Srabani
Apratim Sarkar
: > : > Arnab, tomar stroinata seshe ondho bishwas'r dike tomake niye
: > : > jachchhe. Srabani'r kotha'ta'r kono matha-mundu achhe kina sheta
: > : > ekbar bhebe dekhle na, public'e bola'r age?
: > : Obhimaan korle Apra?
: >
: > Iyarki na, Srabani, mugdho janoni'der sammondhe Kobiguru ki
: > bole gyachhen sheta kheyal rekho.
: eta kano bolle Apra?
Khub onyaya korechhi, Sudeshna khub bokechhe. Ar bolbo na.
: tumi manush hoyechho kina ei niye keu shondeho
: prokaash korechhe naki? amar kintu kono shondeho nei.
Haat'e khNaRa niye shotyi tumi nijeke Jogojjononi bhabte shuru
korle naki Debi'r moto?
: p.s. ete hobe na Apra. try harder, noile baaji-ta Chaitali jite beriye
: jaabe je!
Na e hopta'te ektu kaj'r chaap poRechhe. Next week'e dyakha jabe.
Tobe shomoy afuronto. Tomake diye ami 'Apratim ekti imbecile!'
e bolaboi bolabo, koddin ar on your guard thakbe?
Apratim.
Apratim Sarkar
Srabani Banerjee (BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: achchha Apra, shob bibahito purush-i jokhon tomar mot-e`stroino', tahole
: `atroino' kotha-tai redundant noy? manet tomake `bibahito' bollei jodi
: kaaj chole jay tahole khamoka `stroino' bolte jaabo kano?
Purushsingho'der khub conveniently bhule gele dekhchhi. Naturally.
Kintu e kore ki tumi biplob thekiye rakhte parbe bhebechho, Srabani?
: Srabani
Apratim.
c0ba...@capella.physics.louisville.edu
In article <5gmedc$m...@news.bu.edu>,
asa...@bu.edu (Apratim Sarkar) wrote:
> Srabani Banerjee (BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> : p.s. ete hobe na Apra. try harder, noile baaji-ta Chaitali jite beriye
> : jaabe je!
>
> Na e hopta'te ektu kaj'r chaap poRechhe. Next week'e dyakha jabe.
> Tobe shomoy afuronto. Tomake diye ami 'Apratim ekti imbecile!'
> e bolaboi bolabo, koddin ar on your guard thakbe?
Srabani, ami jano bet-e na hari.
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Snehasis Ganguly
Snehasis Ganguly wrote:
>
> Daduda likhechen:
>
> Snehasis,
>
>
No. I got bored, and wanted to go some where- to escape from being
another stereotype. I could've gone to the 'Eldorado' much earlier of my
life...
Which "Eldorado"? USA? I guess you have a great Wander-lust.
probably you feel more of lonely than being stressed. I do call home
atleast 3 times a week; and its much more costly from here (about
4$/min).
Loneliness is a big issue here with a lot of people, married
unmarried, divorced everyone. It is a complicated pshycologoical
and social phenomenon which we need to explore. A lot of new Indian
Students here suffer from loneliness. For some reason, such
feelings never happen to people in India. MAybe it is too crowded,
you always are near evryone else..
>
> me, I stuck to India till the time I felt, I'm getting too rusted and
> old to do anything. That was another stress!
>
> I know someone who published 400 papers in India. Many
> others have shown promise in business, entrepreneurship,
> stock markets whatever...
You didn't understand. Its not publishing papers. To my understanding,
90% of the 'paper technology' is simply junk. When I for the first time
I agree with you on the paper thing. But in the hallowed
circles of academics, publishing papers is a big big deal.
planned to elope with a girl, I planned to putup a tea business with a
Not elope=antilope :-)
guy; he is haivng a battery business now; and earning more money per
My brother wanted to start a similar business. I think
battery industry has high potential.
If you are interested we can start thinking about this process.
month in the subburb, than what I earn in a year. Another my friends at
that time believed, there was no family planning in China- now one of
the most reputed sergeons in Calcutta. Both he and his wife looks like
'chal-kumDo' sitting on mounds of money, and having nice heart
troubles...Another my frined and his wife are doing softwares, and chids
me what I'm doing sitting in the far corner of the World.
I know all these things. The issue is, I may be good for opnly some
thing, or even nothing! But, surely, I have a definite thought about my
own life. Whatever I do, should fit to this narrow idea about my own
life. This is true for everybody I guess.
It is important to satisfy the inner voice.
But there always two conflicting voices inside.
One is scared of taking risks and the other
is adventurous.
>
> It is upto you...
That's exactly I mean! Let's imagine some body who commands his own
life, an anarch of his own rights. I'd be happy even vaguely resemble
him. Everything is upto you- no commitments, no contracts, no
compulsions.....
...Upto you....
Well like Jonathan Seagull.. Freedom also brings
responsibilities.
Sorry to be so personal. And you'll see, things are changed- they won't
relate to high stress deseases, blocked hearts etc.
They have a commendable +ve attitude towards life.
>
Oho, I forgot to tell you, t'was a completely dull fortnight here;
cloudy, slushy snow and what not! Last Friday was the first day with
some sunshine! I went for biking (though it was still -5 degree cent.)
the whole day. Stopped for couple of beers at a friend's place, and
started sleeping there.
Was this a male or female friend ;-)
I envy you. I can't swim, but I'd love to. In '94 I was in Florida keys;
I couldn't go for scuba diving; the captain thrown me out of the boat
when he knew I can't swim.
I'm not an expert swimmer myself.
>
> What if someone's wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend refuse?
Somebody else will agree. And if you're trying somebody else's wife/girl
friend, I don't know. and if you're trying some body's boy friend, I
don't know either!
I was trying to be more generalistic. I shouldn't have
bothered. Women can handle stress much better than men.
>
> You know how the surname Chakraborty came? It came from "Charbak borti"-
> followers of Charbak- jaboT jiibeT- sukhong jiibeT....
>
> Apnake janina, tobe Guru "Commando" aar "Disco Dancer"
> -e heavy diyechilo|
I missed them. In fact, I could see only 3 or 4 Indian movies in the
last 8 years. And after Big B retired, i thought its a sin to go to
Bollywood movies.
His next movie is "Mrityudata", not fully retired yet..
Do you see some British movies there? I got very much
excited by seeing some movies by Alan Rickman,
Saskia Reeves etc. They are so different from Hollywood
movies..
sayan bhattacharyya
Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>I sincerely apologize to all SCB netizens for having started this thread.
>
>Apratim.
Dear Apratim,
There is no need to apologize -- don't worry about it. It is not your
own fault -- it is the result of your social conditioning.
-Sayan.
<insert smiley for sarcasm-impaired, here> :-)
Snehasis Ganguly
sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu (Snehasis Ganguly) writes:
>
>Apra likheche:-
>
>Personal life ta to professional life-er
>: opor dependent hoey porbei|
>
> Ekta exclamation mark sentence'r seshe dile unsubstantiated
> generalization'ti aro jordar hoto.
>
> Tumi rheoteric argument |
Very imaginative, I must say.
Ekta typo niye cheNchamechi sobha deina,
tomar argument ta rheoteric, ke jane
tomake dekhthe kemon!
> Deen-e ghonta 24 aache|Professional life-e beshi
> dile personal life kom hoey porbei| Eta khub
> sahoj anko|
Professional life'e kichhu'ta ditei hobe, jodi na mukto purush hoye
kaaj kormo chheRe dao. Beshi dite hobe emon kon matha'r dibyi achhe?
Kaaj behsi porle to ditei hobe, noito chakri
jaabe|
>: Skills get outdated pretty quickly. I have
>: many examples, segulo to sobai jane |
>
> Ghoti'r jol goRiye feudal age'r jomidar'ra kheten. Unfortunately,
> bartoman meritocracy'te brohmottor sampotti'r equivalent kichhu
>
> Baper poisha|
>
> nei. Tatei ki tomar apotti?
>
> Jai hok meritrocracy-er ekta limit acche| Deshe ja
> competition chilo tate khanikta outdated hoey geleo
> dibbi chalano jai| Kintu eiykhane outdated skill ke
> keu pataa deiyna|
Purono gaDi tumi ki notun'r daam'e keno, Snehasis?
gaDi ta phele to aar diyina|
> Ta chara meritocracy ta adbhut| American der opor oto
> pressure nei joto ta jara baire theke aasche|
Eta ekta notun information. Proman chaite bhoy korchhe, abar
tomar verb'r use guliye na jai.
Immigrant-ra beshi insecurity te bhoge tai
beshi kaaj kore bhoi bhoi|
> Deshe Govt. er chakri jogar korateo to meritrocracy
> aache boiki!
Kintu chakri rakhate nei (ki chhilo na at least), ekhanei ki tomar
apotti? Ekbar chakri peyechhi ebar shara jibon boshiye khaowate
hobe?
Boshe boshe noi, tobe oto stressful kaaj na kore,
dhire dhire kaaj kore..
>: However, the thought of a 30+30 minute daily commute in
>: Boston peak traffic just to earn my living,seems to me
>: very stressful.
>
> Snehasis, tumi desh'e firo na. Tomar bhalo chai bole bolchhi.
> Dine du ghanta Kolkata'r peak traffic'e Boishanghata-Esplanade
>
> Ota tomar soibe na| Amar oto sharirik sukh ekhono
> hoeni, barong eiykhankar bibitshyo thandai besh
> kastoi hoey|
Na shoile maniye nebo ar ki. Thanda'i kosto holeo ki tomar "stress"
hoy?
Motei na|sharirik osubidhete stress amar
hoena|
> korte hole, private bus'e jhule jhule, tomar shukh'r shorire shoibe
> na bhai.
>
> Eiykhanei tumi bujhcho na | 25 bochor dhore to
> deshei chilaam| Kolkatai thakakalin to roj bus tram kore
> 1+1 hour jawaa hoto| Amar ek bandhu to dosh bochor pore
> deshe phire geche, tar kono osubidhe hochhe na|
Tomar she bondhu'ti'r'o ki Boston'e gaRi chalate "stress" hoto?
She Columbus'e chilo, tar pherot jabar karon
anyo, cultural and emotional reasons.
> Jaihok, eiykhane manoshik "stress" aar deshe physical
> osubidhe| Physical distress sahjyo kora jabe, ota manusher
> soey jai, kintu manoshik "stress" sajhyo koraa besh shakto|
> Gari chalate stress ta manoshik hoey, sharirik noey|
Deshe tumi katota physical stress korechho Snehasis shei niye
mone ekta proshne jagchhe tomar above statement'ti poRa'r por.
Jak ge. Tobe manbe to je onek'r byapar'ta ulto mone hote pare?
Jader ulto mone hoey tara dekhi America-te
gadhar khatuni khate| Tader bujhte na parleo,
amar mone hoey ami lucky je deshe'o kichu khunje
peyechi?
Ta gaRi chalate kibhabe "stress" hoy? Subway nao na kyano? BTW,
tumi Boston'e achho naki ekhon?
Tension| Lane cholar somoi, lane change korar
somoi|Speed.
> Apratim.
>
> Koto lok to phire jaache proti bochor , tomar bandhurao
> jaache| Sutorang eiyrokom ekta kotha, "desher theke eiykahne
> sobai bhalo aache" eta motei juktisangato noi| Oneker jibon
Eta ami kobe bollam Snehasis? Quote korte paro?
Ja Baba, eiytya niyei to shuru holo..
> eiykhanei beshi kasthopurno, bisesh kore jara student aache|
Ami ki sheta deny korechhi? Kotha hochchhilo in general niye. Besides
USA'r koto percent grad student?
Ta chakri korle ki byapar ta alada hoey pore naaki?
>PS:
> Deshe private sector otota badlai na ja tumi bhabcho,
> Robinbabur lekha pore dekho|
Amar prochur bondhu/relative deshe chakri kore, tader kachh theke
ja shunechhi bollam. Tobe hotei pare amar impression bhul. Tobe
maine'r byapar'ta'te je noi sheta ami sure, personal experience thekei.
Deshe maine to kom , setaa to manchi|
Apratim.
PS: E'i oshombhob boring thread'ti theke jonogon'r shammoti pele
ami chhuti nebo. Jodi karu'r special ichchhe thake, janaben. Noile
Tata|
Tomar khusi|
Snehasis
Srabani Banerjee
Apratim likhechhe:
> Srabani Banerjee (BANE...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>
> : achchha Apra, shob bibahito purush-i jokhon tomar mot-e`stroino', tahole
> : `atroino' kotha-tai redundant noy? manet tomake `bibahito' bollei jodi
> : kaaj chole jay tahole khamoka `stroino' bolte jaabo kano?
>
> Purushsingho'der khub conveniently bhule gele dekhchhi. Naturally.
Naturally, tomar kotha shunei to monet holo je tNara exist koren na.
`shob purush stroino' gochher ekta kichhu tumi-i likhechhile na?
> Kintu e kore ki tumi biplob thekiye rakhte parbe bhebechho, Srabani?
ei korei ki ar tumi amake diye boliye nite parbe bhebechho, Apra?
Srabani
asi...@atrmail2.attmail.com
Namashkar! MishTobhashi Naari-der mukhe boibahik jiboner prarombhe
"ogo,kemon achho go ?" theke kromobordhomane (Khyantomoni'r moto) "Jhama
Ghoshe Debo Na!" ba "JhNata Pitiye Mukhpora-ke Shayesta Korbo!" ityadi
monohoroni premalaap shunle jekono Purush-Shingher shingho-gorjon meeiye
giye "mNao mNao" berote thake.
Oi dhaapti-te pouNchhole pore shwami-ra "Bibahito" theke "Stroino" stor-e
unnito hoi bolei amaar bishwas ;)
-Apurba Krishna Sircar
"I can resist everything but Temptation" -Oscar Wilde
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In article <333129F9...@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu>,
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soumitri mukherjee
sayan bhattacharyya wrote:
>
> Apratim Sarkar wrote:
>
> >I sincerely apologize to all SCB netizens for having started this thread.
> >
> >Apratim.
>
>
> There is no need to apologize -- don't worry about it. It is not your
> own fault -- it is the result of your social conditioning.
>
> -Sayan.
>
> <insert smiley for sarcasm-impaired, here> :-)
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:):):)....., bhaaloi bolechhen sayanbabu|
aeibaar, jodi keu thaaken ekhaane 'purushshingho',
din ayk 'shinghonaad', na theke niriho;
bolun aei 'stroiner dol', purushjaati'r kolonko,
gunomugdhe kore onushoron taara, naari'r podaanko|
obola jeeb naari, purusher aashritaa,
'taaderi onushoron?', stroinoder ki nirbuddhitaa|
'shokter vokto naari, shunibe she purush-er kothaa'
aei stroino-der jonnye venge poDe, shomaajer chironton prothaa|
ki motivrome holo je aei stroinoder podoskholon,
naarijaati jodi na shone aar purushshingher ashfalon?
:):):)....., ki hobe tokhon?
----soumitri
--
The game of life is not so much in holding a good hand
as playing a poor hand well---H.T. Leslie
sayan bhattacharyya
> Age aykta example jogaR karo tobe na term.
Interesting. I have seen many (most?) Bengali women change their
last name to their husband's last name after marriage. So far,
I am yet to see a single Bengali man who changed his last name
to his wife's last name on marrying her.
Indranil
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
Ete gobhir totwo-ta kothay? Ekta shadharon law of nature. Tumi biyer por
nam paltabe naki? Babar hater thappor kheyechho konodin, Sayan?
IDG
sayan bhattacharyya
You misunderstood the point completely. My own position is that neither
spouse should need to change their last names on marriage.
I was contesting Apratim's position by providing an example. Apratim
claimed that most Bengali men were "stroino" (controlled by their wives),
and that the necessity for a corresponding term for Bengali women who were
controlled by their husbands did not exist because few such women existed.
I showed the falsity of this claim by providing the example of name-changing
after marriage in Bengali society. Name-changing, like the branding of
animals, is a form of control. A newly acquired animal or object
is usually branded/inscribed with the name of the owner. Similarly,
a wife in our society is branded with the last name of the husband's
family upon marriage. This is, in effect, an announcement of the husband of
his property rights over the wife.
There is nothing about this practice which is a "shadharon law of
nature" as you suggested. Tobe hNya, "shadharon law of patriarchy" bolte
paren. The process has its origin in the days when women were considered
chattel. Not much has changed since those days, unfortunately.
Apratim Sarkar
sayan bhattacharyya (bhat...@skynet.eecs.umich.edu) wrote:
: In article <5gi0c2$c...@news.bu.edu>, Apratim Sarkar <asa...@bu.edu> wrote:
: > Age aykta example jogaR karo tobe na term.
: Interesting. I have seen many (most?) Bengali women change their
: last name to their husband's last name after marriage. So far,
: I am yet to see a single Bengali man who changed his last name
: to his wife's last name on marrying her.
Amar bou o'r paycheck'ta amake paowa matro dhoriye dile (ami
doinik hat khorchha ja prapyo ta debo, abahomaankal Bangali modhyo
bittwo tradition mene, jodiyo ulto angle theke) kalkei ami podobi
palte felte raaji. Kintu meyeder Sayan banano ki ar ato shoja?
Apratim.