prem parashuno o banglar torunira
Sramana Mitra
> Rabindranath ebong Tapash Paul ke, iye, banglar ak dhoroner meyeli-purush-er
> protik hishebe ak dole phelechi. Tultule batachele. Amar baktobbo,
> meyeder mone ei manashmurti boshe gele somajer karkhana theke (market
> pressure-e) oi chNacher golpbabu-rai beriye ashbe. Dole dole. Bhabte
> paren er ki phol hote pare?
I have to say your reasoning is rather screwed up! Why is Rabindranath
effeminate? For god's sake, achieve something really big in life before
you can be disrespectful to people like him.
> Shob chele to ar Jhansi-r rani khNujhche na. Tara pasher barir bNete
> meyetakei follow korbe. Prem jinishta kono porikolpito shamorik obhijan
> noy (hoa uchit chilo), ota akta viral infection. Pasher bari, ba high
> school thekei tar shonkromon. Ichcher jore jodi prem atkate parto
> tarunera, tahole to kichu bolari chilo na. Khub-i khushi hotam ami.
Thik bolechhen. Majority of Bengali men aren't men enough to handle the
Jhansi'r rani types. They prefer more tractable kinds - a close
approximation would be Saratchandre'r Parbati.
What you're talking about as prem is romance and it is something
sweet. It is a blessing that something as sweet exists. Paser bari,
high school - "ke kothai dhara pare ke jane"? You must be really dry
and withered to want to eradicate something as pleasant and cute!
> Eishob aanari-ra gurujonder shodupodesher birudhdhota-ta-kei akta
> adorsho challenge hishebe dhore niyeche!
>
> Angule jake nachano jay take bhalobasha jay na, ei kotha kano tullen
> bujhte parlam na. Prem korar shathe bhalobashar ki shomporko?
Aapni'i to dekhchhi contradictory katha bolchhen! Jodi keu khelar chhale
prem kare, tahole bhalobashar katha uthchhe na. Tate gurujander'i ba ato
apotti kisher? Apnar shalika wants to have fun. Who the hell are you to
prevent her???
Aar jodi tar cheye serious issues involved hoi - jatha biye - tahole to
bhalobashar katha uthche khub shabhabik karonei! Apni age monosthir korun
kon premise'ta niye alochana korben, tarpar tarko korun. You're getting
random otherwise!
> be korechi mane ki preme na porar kosom kheyechi. Biyer montre bhat
> kapor jotanor akta protigya korte hoyechilo, shetuku palon korlei to
> holo.
>
> Eta to galo odhikar-er kotha. Tobe, moner kotha jodi jiggesh koren to
> boli: Shokto hate toiri ami. Chelebela thekei premer birudhdhe shavabik
> immunity chilo. College-e thakte loke jetake bhabto prem sheta ashole
> prem chilo na, sheta chilo meyeder monostott-er ekti nibir odhdhoyon.
Ki bolbo bolun? -- eituku'i boli, je you don't know what you have missed!
Meyeder monostatto'r nibir odhyaon kore apni ei conclusion'e elen je biye'ta
bhat kapor jogarer akta protigya chhara bishesh kichhu noi. "Jodidang hridayang
mamo ..." na ki akta mantra chhilo na? (I know it's a farce in most marriages,
but nevertheless, all you remember is that protigya, and not this one...
Interesting!) Apnar odhyayon theke meyeder chahida ba proyojoner apni
akta darun accurate approximation'e arrive korlen. Bravo!
> Mayer kotha uthtei aro boli. Ami kintu akbar-o bolini tNara dignified ba
> virtuous chilen (jodio ...thak ar ghNatabo na). Dignity ba virtue-r moto
> kothin o abstract kotha niye ami bhabi-i na (she shob bhabten Rabi-babu.
> Uni to kothay kothay `bhuma' phuma tene anten. Ki je tar mane ke jane!).
> Nijei jar tol pai na, tarunder kach theke tar asha rakhbo kon mukhe?
She to dekhte'i pachhi, je dignity'r moto shadharon akta concept'er tal
pete'i apni nakal hoye jachhen! Nahole ki aar "biyeta bhat kaporer protigya'r"
jatiyo jukti dekhaten?
> Arranged marriage-er proshonge ami kichui boli ni. Amar shamanno
> protibedon chilo Prem namok virus-jonito roger proti apnader drishti
> akorshon. Mayer juger mohilara prem korar shomy pan ni. Tnader onekei,
> khub doridro, udbastu poribarer modhdhe theke porashona korechen.
> Cinemar nayikader onukoron na kore, cheshta korechen purshder shathe
> palla diye chaakri jogar kora jay ki na. Kajta onek shomoy-i khub
> o-romantic hoto. Ta shotteo mukh buje bochorer por bochor dhore eNra ak
> akti modhdhobitto shongharer hal dhorechen. Bhai bonder dNar koriyechen.
> Nijer shontanke manush korechen opekhkhakrito shochchol poribeshe.
>
> Ami ei karonei tNader pothikrit boli. Kitchener odhikar niye, shotti-i
> kichu bhabi ni takhon.
>
> Amar prosno, taruni obosthay, preme tal khete thaakle ki atota shombhob
> hoto? Amar bhoy hoy, hoyto hoto na. Tai-i.....
Eta sampurna case-specific byapar. Apni apatato je deshe achhen, she deshe
je bangali meyera achhe, kh(n)oj niye dekhun, tara sabai kichhu achieve
korchhe, ebang quite possibly, prem'o korchhe. Apnar achievement'er shanga'i
to achievement'er shesh katha noi, tai na? Apnar mayer juge ja kara proyojon
chhilo, t(n)ara korechhen. Amader juge, we are fighting our own battles. Do
us a favour, and do not compare apples and oranges!
> Bibaho ekti shasthokor shamajik protishthan. Shob bibahoi arranged.
> Erokom ekti guruttopurno bapar jato shuporikolpito bhabe kora jay, tatoi
> bhalo.
> Abar bibaho ekti manusher ottonto bektigoto jiboner ongsho. Shutorang,
> shuporikolpito bibaher niyom kanun bNedhe debar jo nei.
> Tobe, amar bektigato mot: Bibaher shonkolpo korar shomoy shabdhan hoben,
> prem namok poritajjo onubhuti eshe jano apnar drishti-ke mohachchadito
> na kore. Bibaher dike jhNukchen amon jubok jubotider proti onurodh:
> Prem-er aboron chNire phele, bhebechinte biye korun.
> Juktishangoto kono kaj, ekebare bhul hoy na.
> Dorkar hole biyer agei Marriage counsellor-er poramorsho nin. Obhiggo
> ghatok-der shathe kotha bolun. Bondhuder shathe cup cup cha kheye,
> alochona korun. Apnar monomoto jibonshongir ki ki gun thaka chai tar
> akta list tori kore phelun.
>
> Joto bhalo bhabe arrange korben, biyeta tatoi bhalo dNarabe.
Amader deshe je bhabe arranged marriage hoye thake, tate arrangement'ta
age hoi, then the people get to know each other. And oftner than not, it
is an irrevocable process. Amar apotti ei arrangement procedure tate.
Duto manusher modhye personal dynamics bole akta byapar achhe --- to me,
that's what makes or breaks a relationship. Setar'i different stages of
evolution are prem'e para, evolving chemistry, communication, and perhaps
eventually marriage. Ideally, of course. Abar jigesh kori, prem'e para
mane'i ki ei, je buddhi, jukti shab barite rekhe eshe preme porte habe?
Prem kore, at some advanced stage of this evolving chemistry, two people
may evaluate their compatibility, and may or may not decide to get married.
Ei arrangement'ta patro-patri'r opor chere dile, I believe sangsarer anek
jhanjhat chukbe. Ta noi, kushti dekhe, ma-baba'r sange katha bole you
arrange a marriage, where the last bit of concern is personal dynamics.
That's what I object to.
Sramana
ps. Amar akta besh sundar naam achhe. Apnader ei modhur "madam" dakta bandho
korte paren ki? Mone hoi kolkata'r office'er peon cha enechhe bole dakchhe...!
Indranil DasGupta
Sramana Mitra (smi...@HING.LCS.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: Indranil, [I can't find an address that parallels your "madam"]
Sramanadebi,
Ei shambodhanta-te apnar apotti thaakle obilombe janaben. Madam
shambodhone kauke apotti janate prothom shunlaam. Amar kichu ottonto
srodhdheyo gurujon oi name amar kichu onno abong tatodhik srodhdheyo
gurujonke shambodhon karen. Meyeder nam dhore dakata akshomoy shobhan
chilona. Akhon hoyto chole. Ta shotteo ekti debi boshalam, noile amar
nijer ektu ashwasti hoy. Asha kori, pochondo na holeo, shoye nite
parben, kanona, ja chilo ashobhan ta akhon shobhan hoye geleo, ja chilo
shobhan, ta akhono shobhan-i aache.
: > Rabindranath ebong Tapash Paul ke, iye, banglar ak dhoroner meyeli-purush-er
: > protik hishebe ak dole phelechi. Tultule batachele. Amar baktobbo,
: > meyeder mone ei manashmurti boshe gele somajer karkhana theke (market
: > pressure-e) oi chNacher golpbabu-rai beriye ashbe. Dole dole. Bhabte
: > paren er ki phol hote pare?
: I have to say your reasoning is rather screwed up! Why is Rabindranath
: effeminate? For god's sake, achieve something really big in life before
: you can be disrespectful to people like him.
Rabindranath-ke amra keui morodehe dekhini. Tnar kobita o odhikaangsha
godder bhasha amar tutulei mone hoy. Shei jonne-i, tini tultulemir
protik.
Tapash pal-er, porda-uposthiti, amar mote ak-i rokom meyeli. Bola-i
bahulla, bektigoto jibone Tapash Pal ki rokom ami jani na. Ebong, jei
tarunider upor eder probhaber kotha ami bolechi, tarao eNder karo
shathei, lekha ba cinemar pordar baire porichito hobe, amon bhabi ni.
E dutoi amar bektigato motamot. Apnar shathe milbe amon durasha rakhi na
she to agei janiyechilaam. Moter omil apnake jotoi chanchol karuk, amar
ebong apnar modhdhe shoujonner babodhantuku akhkhunno thakbe. Apni amar
bektigato jibon niye kono mantobbo korben na. O niye alochona korar age
amar onumoti na nile shlilotar gondi otikranto hoy.
: > Shob chele to ar Jhansi-r rani khNujhche na. Tara pasher barir bNete
: > meyetakei follow korbe. Prem jinishta kono porikolpito shamorik obhijan
: > noy (hoa uchit chilo), ota akta viral infection. Pasher bari, ba high
: > school thekei tar shonkromon. Ichcher jore jodi prem atkate parto
: > tarunera, tahole to kichu bolari chilo na. Khub-i khushi hotam ami.
: Thik bolechhen. Majority of Bengali men aren't men enough to handle the
: Jhansi'r rani types. They prefer more tractable kinds - a close
: approximation would be Saratchandre'r Parbati.
Na ami kono birangonar kotha bolte chai ni, je kono ekti odditio mohilar
naam bolte cheyechilaam. Suchitra Sen-o bola jeto. Ba Ashapurna Debi.
Apnar montobboti amar mul alochonar shutro theke bibikto, tai oi niye
amar `no comments'.
: What you're talking about as prem is romance and it is something
: sweet. It is a blessing that something as sweet exists. Paser bari,
: high school - "ke kothai dhara pare ke jane"? You must be really dry
: and withered to want to eradicate something as pleasant and cute!
Abar ekti bektigoto jibon niye kotakhkho. Eta ki thatta hishebe nebar kotha?
: > Eishob aanari-ra gurujonder shodupodesher birudhdhota-ta-kei akta
: > adorsho challenge hishebe dhore niyeche!
: >
: > Angule jake nachano jay take bhalobasha jay na, ei kotha kano tullen
: > bujhte parlam na. Prem korar shathe bhalobashar ki shomporko?
: Aapni'i to dekhchhi contradictory katha bolchhen! Jodi keu khelar chhale
: prem kare, tahole bhalobashar katha uthchhe na. Tate gurujander'i ba ato
: apotti kisher? Apnar shalika wants to have fun. Who the hell are you to
: prevent her???
Amar uddeshsho chilo, adady ektu rosher shonchar kora. Apni lekhatake
onnobhabe nileo tar ei mane hoy na ja upore likhlen. Ki kore janlen
apni, je amar shalika `fun' chay? Ar amon hoao to shombhob je jonoiko
`who the hell' ke she poramorsho o shikhkha debar odhikar shechchay
diyeche? Na jene erokom ekti balshobhan kotha kano bollen bhebe uthte
parchi na.
Contradiction-tai ba kothay? Prem-e apotti korata `logical
contradiction' hoy ki kore? Amar jotshamanno onker gyan niye bojha galo
na. Bujhiye bolben?
: Aar jodi tar cheye serious issues involved hoi - jatha biye - tahole to
: bhalobashar katha uthche khub shabhabik karonei! Apni age monosthir korun
: kon premise'ta niye alochana korben, tarpar tarko korun. You're getting
: random otherwise!
Na ei `issue' -ta involved noy. Ei niye akbaro kichu bolechi bole mone
porche na. Apnar mone porle doya kore `quote' korben.
: > be korechi mane ki preme na porar kosom kheyechi. Biyer montre bhat
: > kapor jotanor akta protigya korte hoyechilo, shetuku palon korlei to
: > holo.
: >
: > Eta to galo odhikar-er kotha. Tobe, moner kotha jodi jiggesh koren to
: > boli: Shokto hate toiri ami. Chelebela thekei premer birudhdhe shavabik
: > immunity chilo. College-e thakte loke jetake bhabto prem sheta ashole
: > prem chilo na, sheta chilo meyeder monostott-er ekti nibir odhdhoyon.
: Ki bolbo bolun? -- eituku'i boli, je you don't know what you have missed!
: Meyeder monostatto'r nibir odhyaon kore apni ei conclusion'e elen je biye'ta
: bhat kapor jogarer akta protigya chhara bishesh kichhu noi. "Jodidang hridayang
: mamo ..." na ki akta mantra chhilo na? (I know it's a farce in most marriages,
: but nevertheless, all you remember is that protigya, and not this one...
: Interesting!) Apnar odhyayon theke meyeder chahida ba proyojoner apni
: akta darun accurate approximation'e arrive korlen. Bravo!
Ashole shob protiggar modhdhe, oi bhat kaporertai banglay, bujhe,
bolechi. Jodidong hridoyong mamo, oboshsho shohoj shonshkrito, kintu,
hridoy bolte ami bujhi char chamber-er pump. Proyojone ota transplant kore dite
raji aachi. Amon ki ar shokto kaj. Bhat-kaporta-i to shobcheye kothin
(Bahu bangali chelei akmot hobe). Ar mohilara-o sheta janen. Purut bata
jai bolak na kano, stree achar-er shomoy onara ashol kothata boliye nan.
Meyeder chahida ba proyojon shomporke ami kokhon mukh khullam abar?
Quote na korei, arekta bhittihin obhijog korlen to? Jak ge shoye ashche.
Bravo-tao bhalo laagche akhon.
: > Mayer kotha uthtei aro boli. Ami kintu akbar-o bolini tNara dignified ba
: > virtuous chilen (jodio ...thak ar ghNatabo na). Dignity ba virtue-r moto
: > kothin o abstract kotha niye ami bhabi-i na (she shob bhabten Rabi-babu.
: > Uni to kothay kothay `bhuma' phuma tene anten. Ki je tar mane ke jane!).
: > Nijei jar tol pai na, tarunder kach theke tar asha rakhbo kon mukhe?
: She to dekhte'i pachhi, je dignity'r moto shadharon akta concept'er tal
: pete'i apni nakal hoye jachhen! Nahole ki aar "biyeta bhat kaporer protigya'r"
: jatiyo jukti dekhaten?
Bhat kapor-take ato khato korben na Sramana debi. Ami onek-ke chini jara
bhat kaporer jonno chturdosh purusher dignity jolanjoli dite raji.
Shobar jibon dorshon to ak rokom hoy na. Je jerokom poristhiti dekheche
tar sheirokom mullobodh. Ami shotti-i tader dole pori jader kache
`dignity' -r mullo taka ba dollar-e mapa jay. Orthat mota bhashay oi
bhat ar kapore.
: > Arranged marriage-er proshonge ami kichui boli ni. Amar shamanno
: > protibedon chilo Prem namok virus-jonito roger proti apnader drishti
: > akorshon. Mayer juger mohilara prem korar shomy pan ni. Tnader onekei,
: > khub doridro, udbastu poribarer modhdhe theke porashona korechen.
: > Cinemar nayikader onukoron na kore, cheshta korechen purshder shathe
: > palla diye chaakri jogar kora jay ki na. Kajta onek shomoy-i khub
: > o-romantic hoto. Ta shotteo mukh buje bochorer por bochor dhore eNra ak
: > akti modhdhobitto shongharer hal dhorechen. Bhai bonder dNar koriyechen.
: > Nijer shontanke manush korechen opekhkhakrito shochchol poribeshe.
: >
: > Ami ei karonei tNader pothikrit boli. Kitchener odhikar niye, shotti-i
: > kichu bhabi ni takhon.
: >
: > Amar prosno, taruni obosthay, preme tal khete thaakle ki atota shombhob
: > hoto? Amar bhoy hoy, hoyto hoto na. Tai-i.....
: Eta sampurna case-specific byapar. Apni apatato je deshe achhen, she deshe
: je bangali meyera achhe, kh(n)oj niye dekhun, tara sabai kichhu achieve
: korchhe, ebang quite possibly, prem'o korchhe. Apnar achievement'er shanga'i
: to achievement'er shesh katha noi, tai na? Apnar mayer juge ja kara proyojon
: chhilo, t(n)ara korechhen. Amader juge, we are fighting our own battles. Do
: us a favour, and do not compare apples and oranges!
Ami apatoto je deshe achi, shei desher tarunider niye pore (onno shutoi)
kichu likhbo kamon?
Apni nijeke tarunider dole phelchen jene prokrito-i bismoy bodh korlam.
Jai hok, amar ager lekha-gulote ami betikrom-der jonno ki ektu jayga
rakhi ni? Ami shadharon tarunider kothai bolchilaam.
Apel-o-komlalebur udahoronti tobu juktijukto hoyeche. (E niye ami akta
thatta korle apni abar bicholito hoye pache shutotike mul alochona theke
dure niye jan, ei bhoye, biroto hochchi.)
: > Bibaho ekti shasthokor shamajik protishthan. Shob bibahoi arranged.
: > Erokom ekti guruttopurno bapar jato shuporikolpito bhabe kora jay, tatoi
: > bhalo.
: > Abar bibaho ekti manusher ottonto bektigoto jiboner ongsho. Shutorang,
: > shuporikolpito bibaher niyom kanun bNedhe debar jo nei.
: > Tobe, amar bektigato mot: Bibaher shonkolpo korar shomoy shabdhan hoben,
: > prem namok poritajjo onubhuti eshe jano apnar drishti-ke mohachchadito
: > na kore. Bibaher dike jhNukchen amon jubok jubotider proti onurodh:
: > Prem-er aboron chNire phele, bhebechinte biye korun.
: > Juktishangoto kono kaj, ekebare bhul hoy na.
: > Dorkar hole biyer agei Marriage counsellor-er poramorsho nin. Obhiggo
: > ghatok-der shathe kotha bolun. Bondhuder shathe cup cup cha kheye,
: > alochona korun. Apnar monomoto jibonshongir ki ki gun thaka chai tar
: > akta list tori kore phelun.
: >
: > Joto bhalo bhabe arrange korben, biyeta tatoi bhalo dNarabe.
: Amader deshe je bhabe arranged marriage hoye thake, tate arrangement'ta
: age hoi, then the people get to know each other. And oftner than not, it
: is an irrevocable process. Amar apotti ei arrangement procedure tate.
Apnar apotti ottonto juktishongato. Ei niye ekti alada alochona amra
nischoi korbo akdin.
: Duto manusher modhye personal dynamics bole akta byapar achhe --- to me,
: that's what makes or breaks a relationship. Setar'i different stages of
: evolution are prem'e para, evolving chemistry, communication, and perhaps
: eventually marriage. Ideally, of course. Abar jigesh kori, prem'e para
: mane'i ki ei, je buddhi, jukti shab barite rekhe eshe preme porte habe?
: Prem kore, at some advanced stage of this evolving chemistry, two people
: may evaluate their compatibility, and may or may not decide to get married.
: Ei arrangement'ta patro-patri'r opor chere dile, I believe sangsarer anek
: jhanjhat chukbe. Ta noi, kushti dekhe, ma-baba'r sange katha bole you
: arrange a marriage, where the last bit of concern is personal dynamics.
: That's what I object to.
Apnar objection-ta ami bujhechi. Kintu, mul shutre, ei proshongo-i
uththapon kora hoy ni sheta apni bujhte perechen ki?
Prem-e drishti mohachchadito hoy bole bishshash kori she to agei
bolechi. Betikrom bad debar poreo, ei moter shathe apnar chinta millo
na?
Ki ar kora jabe. Jato matha tato mot. Shobar bishshash kei ami salute
kori.
: Sramana
: ps. Amar akta besh sundar naam achhe. Apnader ei modhur "madam" dakta bandho
: korte paren ki? Mone hoi kolkata'r office'er peon cha enechhe bole dakchhe...!
Ami onekrokom kaj korechi jibone, jar ekta khanikta peon-der moto.
Obhbhesh jabe kothai. Sorry madam! Illll.......
Debarag Banerjee
|>
|> Duto manusher modhye personal dynamics bole akta byapar achhe --- to me,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aha! At last somebody is trying to develop a consistent theoretical background for discussing this much maligned phenomenon called 'prem'. I like the concept of defining a dynamical system to explain it.
Here are some questions about "personal dynamics" that may eventually lead us to something like a "Field theory of Prem".
i) Does it follow inverse square law? (Birahe prem bare na kame, ebong katata?)
ii) Can a potential function (Jatha sex appeal) be defined?
In other words:
Is it path-independent? ("Hazar bachhar dhare ami path haNtitechhi...")
iii) Is it causal or non-causal? (Purbarag ?)
iv) Should the participating bodies be considered rigid, undeformable and non-intersecting -or otherwise? (Eta ar nai ba explain korlam.)
v) Is the system conservative? (Or liberal?)
vi) Does it act locally or globally? ("Premer fand pata bhubane"?)
vii) Is it necessary to define a 'prem' field? (Or can it be done anywhere else as well?)
I hope somebody has the answers.
Debarag Banerjee
Arindam Basu
atta girl Sramana!!!!!!
Arindam Basu
Swagato Basumallick
Tomar article ta - ek kothai opoorbo !!!
Porte porte prochondo heshechi !!
Taratari "Tomar Unified Field Theory of Prem" chapiye phelo -
Aamader univ theke honorary doctorate deoar byabostha
korchi :-)
Aha - ei na hole bangali channel !!!
Snehasis Ganguly
>> protik hishebe ak dole phelechi. Tultule batachele. Amar baktobbo,
Tapas pal er cheye amar prasenjit ke beshi tultule(effeminate) money
hoi.Ekebarey jeno hersley choclate!! tobu chiranjeev kichuta macho
image rekechey.Biplab(villain) bodhai sob theke macho.
Tobe hindi cinemar dike dekhoon na-- amir khan, sha rukh khan sob holo
giye tultule chele.But hindi films currently are a reaction to
violence in 80's(amitabh era)...
>> meyeder mone ei manashmurti boshe gele somajer karkhana theke (market
>> pressure-e) oi chNacher golpbabu-rai beriye ashbe. Dole dole. Bhabte
>> paren er ki phol hote pare?
>
>I have to say your reasoning is rather screwed up! Why is Rabindranath
>effeminate? For god's sake, achieve something really big in life before
>you can be disrespectful to people like him.
Rabindranath in the context of taruni/juboti is a verbal similitude
of Mills and Boons, albeit at a far sophisticated level and one to
which easy access is there ghore ghore. that is why he is so endearing.
I can understand why the girls like him while some khete khawa struggling
people have no meaning in their lives from him..
>
>> Shob chele to ar Jhansi-r rani khNujhche na. Tara pasher barir bNete
>> meyetakei follow korbe. Prem jinishta kono porikolpito shamorik obhijan
>> noy (hoa uchit chilo), ota akta viral infection. Pasher bari, ba highj
>> school thekei tar shonkromon. Ichcher jore jodi prem atkate parto
>> tarunera, tahole to kichu bolari chilo na. Khub-i khushi hotam ami.
>
>Thik bolechhen. Majority of Bengali men aren't men enough to handle the
>Jhansi'r rani types. They prefer more tractable kinds - a close
>approximation would be Saratchandre'r Parbati.
Jhansi er rani baloon aar parbati baloon chintadhara sob ekirokom.
Sob kichur pechonei saartho royeche ebong cool level headed long term
qualities in a partner-er khonj choleche.
Ebong hard approach niley kaida korey nijer idea take partner -er
gharer opor chapabar chesta.Ebong emotional o sentimental blackmailing.
>
>What you're talking about as prem is romance and it is something
>sweet. It is a blessing that something as sweet exists. Paser bari,
>high school - "ke kothai dhara pare ke jane"? You must be really dry
>and withered to want to eradicate something as pleasant and cute!
I agree with you, but tahole puropuri western style -e sob chalook.
Adh khamcha keno?
>
>> Eishob aanari-ra gurujonder shodupodesher birudhdhota-ta-kei akta
>> adorsho challenge hishebe dhore niyeche!
Sudhu tai noi, kichu kichu gurojon abar liberal...taanra support koren.
>>
>> Angule jake nachano jay take bhalobasha jay na, ei kotha kano tullen
>> bujhte parlam na. Prem korar shathe bhalobashar ki shomporko?
>
>Aapni'i to dekhchhi contradictory katha bolchhen! Jodi keu khelar chhale
>prem kare, tahole bhalobashar katha uthchhe na. Tate gurujander'i ba ato
>apotti kisher? Apnar shalika wants to have fun. Who the hell are you to
>prevent her???
>
>Aar jodi tar cheye serious issues involved hoi - jatha biye - tahole to
>bhalobashar katha uthche khub shabhabik karonei! Apni age monosthir korun
>kon premise'ta niye alochana korben, tarpar tarko korun. You're getting
>random otherwiseyer
Biyer por ki bhalobaste paara jai na!!! prem to dudin porey ube jai!
>
>> be korechi mane ki preme na porar kosom kheyechi. Biyer montre bhat
>> kapor jotanor akta protigya korte hoyechilo, shetuku palon korlei to
>> holo.
>>
>> Eta to galo odhikar-er kotha. Tobe, moner kotha jodi jiggesh koren to
>> boli: Shokto hate toiri ami. Chelebela thekei premer birudhdhe shavabik
>> immunity chilo. College-e thakte loke jetake bhabto prem sheta ashole
>> prem chilo na, sheta chilo meyeder monostott-er ekti nibir odhdhoyon.
>
>Ki bolbo bolun? -- eituku'i boli, je you don't know what you have missed!
>Meyeder monostatto'r nibir odhyaon kore apni ei conclusion'e elen je biye'ta
>bhat kapor jogarer akta protigya chhara bishesh kichhu noi. "Jodidang hridayang
>mamo ..." na ki akta mantra chhilo na? (I know it's a farce in most marriages,
>but nevertheless, all you remember is that protigya, and not this one...
>Interesting!) Apnar odhyayon theke meyeder chahida ba proyojoner apni
>akta darun accurate approximation'e arrive korlen. Bravo!
Purush der chahida ebong tader emotional satisafaction er byaparta niyeo
bhaba uchit. aar uni bhat kapor deben boley eta to bolen ni je mon ta
deben na. sobcheyer dukher bishoy ei mon ton er byaparta tey kono stability
nei. Prochondo cholona.
However I must tell you that you are not alone. There are many others
who think like you.In atransitional society much influenced by western
liberalism and feminism(adopted by Tagore and Ray in their own
original ways and influenced by people like aparna sen), things have
become complicated and twisted.You cant adopt only some liberal values
of the west leaving out others. While the search for romance is ever continuing,much has to be said about happiness and stability in a life which is fought
struggling most of the time like perhaps most immegrants to this country.
As far as bekaar jubok/taruni etc in calcutta are concerned they neglect
the basic issues of american life like working to earn money since
adolescence... so it is unfair on them to launch into shallow
emotional issues like romance especially which causes depression most of the
time rather than happiness . In some indian towns like pune, bombay etc,
increasingly platonic part is getting dispensed which may have some
forerunning of events in bengal.
In present context you are right though. Onek eiy aache je eiy transitioner
somaey ekta liberal adorsho-er mot dhore prem kore c jaache, kintoo
sadly romance er chey head eiy beshi use hoichey.Sutorang prem ta britha.
Arya Raychaudhuri
>Indranil, [I can't find an address that parallels your "madam"]
>> Rabindranath ebong Tapash Paul ke, iye, banglar ak dhoroner meyeli-purush-er
>> protik hishebe ak dole phelechi. Tultule batachele. Amar baktobbo,
>> meyeder mone ei manashmurti boshe gele somajer karkhana theke (market
>> pressure-e) oi chNacher golpbabu-rai beriye ashbe. Dole dole. Bhabte
>> paren er ki phol hote pare?
>I have to say your reasoning is rather screwed up! Why is Rabindranath
>effeminate? For god's sake, achieve something really big in life before
>you can be disrespectful to people like him.
>> Shob chele to ar Jhansi-r rani khNujhche na. Tara pasher barir bNete
>> meyetakei follow korbe. Prem jinishta kono porikolpito shamorik obhijan
>> noy (hoa uchit chilo), ota akta viral infection. Pasher bari, ba high
>> school thekei tar shonkromon. Ichcher jore jodi prem atkate parto
>> tarunera, tahole to kichu bolari chilo na. Khub-i khushi hotam ami.
>Thik bolechhen. Majority of Bengali men aren't men enough to handle the
>Jhansi'r rani types. They prefer more tractable kinds - a close
>approximation would be Saratchandre'r Parbati.
Apnar lekha upabhog korchhi. Kintu, ekhane eshe ektu hochat khelam. Na,
Rabindranath effeminate ki na, e byapare amar kono matamot nei. Je byapar-ta
adbhut lagchhe, ta holo apnar double standard. Arthat, kono purush-ke
meyeli bala hole, apni shetake tar proti asamman dekhano holo bhabchhen,
athacho purushali meyeder (jemon Jhansi-r rani) sambandhe apnar kono
abhijog nei.
Arya
Sramana Mitra
> Apnar lekha upabhog korchhi. Kintu, ekhane eshe ektu hochat khelam. Na,
> Rabindranath effeminate ki na, e byapare amar kono matamot nei. Je byapar-ta
> adbhut lagchhe, ta holo apnar double standard. Arthat, kono purush-ke
> meyeli bala hole, apni shetake tar proti asamman dekhano holo bhabchhen,
> athacho purushali meyeder (jemon Jhansi-r rani) sambandhe apnar kono
> abhijog nei.
>
> Arya
:-) Jhansi'r rani'r sange apnar alap chhilo bujhi? Apni ki kore janlen
je tini purushali chhilen? Tnar kirti so-called purushali, kintu ami
to sei stereotype'ta manchhina. Tahole amar premise'e inconsistency
kothai? Indranil'er "tultule, meyeli purushmanush" - eta ki derogatory
usage noi? Kobita likhe, gaan likhe, nari-shadhinata shammandhe bangali
samaj'ke aware kore Rabindranath "tultule" holen kano eta amar mathai
dhukchhe na. Lekhar style shammandhe preference thaktei pare, kintu
I don't like the idea of being disrespectful towards Tagore - the man
had a lot of vision, and bangali meye hishebe bhadrolok'er kachhe ami
antato kritagya. Tai montobyo'ta gaye legechhe.
Apni ki bolte chaichhen ami bujhechhi. Amar apotti'ta kothai apni
bujhechhen to?
Snehasis likhechhen:
> Jhansi er rani baloon aar parbati baloon chintadhara sob ekirokom.
> Sob kichur pechonei saartho royeche ebong cool level headed long term
> qualities in a partner-er khonj choleche.
> Ebong hard approach niley kaida korey nijer idea take partner -er
> gharer opor chapabar chesta.Ebong emotional o sentimental blackmailing.
> [stuff deleted]
> Biyer por ki bhalobaste paara jai na!!! prem to dudin porey ube jai!
Ato bitterness aar cynicism'er utshota kothai jante ichhe korchhe. Kata
datapoint niye apni amon akta generalization kore phellen?
> liberalism and feminism(adopted by Tagore and Ray in their own
> original ways and influenced by people like aparna sen), things have
> become complicated and twisted.You cant adopt only some liberal values
> of the west leaving out others. While the search for romance is ever continuing,much has to be said about happiness and stability in a life which is fought
> struggling most of the time like perhaps most immegrants to this country.
> As far as bekaar jubok/taruni etc in calcutta are concerned they neglect
> the basic issues of american life like working to earn money since
> adolescence... so it is unfair on them to launch into shallow
> emotional issues like romance especially which causes depression most of the
> time rather than happiness . In some indian towns like pune, bombay etc,
> increasingly platonic part is getting dispensed which may have some
> forerunning of events in bengal.
> In present context you are right though. Onek eiy aache je eiy transitioner
> somaey ekta liberal adorsho-er mot dhore prem kore c jaache, kintoo
> sadly romance er chey head eiy beshi use hoichey.Sutorang prem ta britha.
Transition comes in many forms. Liberation also comes through different
paths. The most effective entry into a liberated thought process is the
desire to explore - both emotions and experiences. That's where breaking
conventions, etc. come in. If you're arguing that this exploration process
should stop because there is a possibility of degeneration, I can't agree.
I acknowledge your fear, but evolution always complicates things - that's
the law of nature. Modern human beings are far more complex products of
this evolutionary process than their predecessors. I don't see any
alternative. Do you?
Indranil'er message'ta ignore korlum. Ota logic'er pathe hnatchhe na.
Bangali'der sange exchange'e ei obhigyata amar age'o hoyehche... if
I treat myself as their equal, and not call them "dada" ba "kaku" -
tahole jei alochana ektu garom hoye othe, tokkhuni t(n)ara bayesh
dekhiye respect demand karen. Debate kortum. Indranil'er rashobodh
jonito montobyo guloke "sexist joke" bole mone hoyechhilo, tai sei
spirit'ei respond korechhilum. Adda'r spirit'e thik noi - rather,
besh birokto hoye. Bangali adda'i akhono porjonto sexist jokes freely
chale, tai na? Political correctness niye jatoi katakkho kori na kano,
America kintu ei sab byapare besh progressive and sensitive social
norms establish korechhe/korchhe. Amra'o ektu adhtu cheshta kore dekhle
pari na?
Sramana
Apratim Sarkar
>Kobita likhe, gaan likhe, nari-shadhinata shammandhe bangali
>samaj'ke aware kore Rabindranath "tultule" holen kano eta amar mathai
>dhukchhe na.
Sramanadebi,
Apni ki Rabibabu-ke niye ekti bishuddha sahityik alochana-i utsahi haben?
Apnar 'Kobita likhe, gaan likhe' ukti-tir poriprekkhit-e e-i abatarana.
Bisheshata, e-i duti boshtu ki bhabe pourush-er janma dei, ta amar thik
bodhogamya hai ni, tabe jante utsahi.
'Nari-swadhinata' - e-i byapar-ti ke ami eriye jete chai. Sahityik alochanai
antoto. Jadiyo, e bishaye-o amar bishmai, ki bhabe ta pourush sanchar kare!?
>Lekhar style shammandhe preference thaktei pare, kintu
>I don't like the idea of being disrespectful towards Tagore
Absolutely. Respectfully criticize kara allowed to? Note, also, that with all
respect towards your self-proclaimed 'sharpness', I don't like the idea of
being disrespectful towards anyone.
Mane holo, e-i katha guli age agei parishkar kare nile debate-e shubidhe habe.
If you are interested, that is.
>- the man
>had a lot of vision, and bangali meye hishebe bhadrolok'er kachhe ami
>antato kritagya. Tai montobyo'ta gaye legechhe.
I respect that feeling. Now, in the debate, will you respect my opinions
as well, criticize them objectively, and not get personal? Looking forward to
a very good debate.
>Sramana
Regards,
Apra.
Arya Raychaudhuri
>> Apnar lekha upabhog korchhi. Kintu, ekhane eshe ektu hochat khelam. Na,
>> Rabindranath effeminate ki na, e byapare amar kono matamot nei. Je byapar-ta
>> adbhut lagchhe, ta holo apnar double standard. Arthat, kono purush-ke
>> meyeli bala hole, apni shetake tar proti asamman dekhano holo bhabchhen,
>> athacho purushali meyeder (jemon Jhansi-r rani) sambandhe apnar kono
>> abhijog nei.
>>
>> Arya
>:-) Jhansi'r rani'r sange apnar alap chhilo bujhi? Apni ki kore janlen
>je tini purushali chhilen? Tnar kirti so-called purushali, kintu ami
>to sei stereotype'ta manchhina. Tahole amar premise'e inconsistency
>kothai? Indranil'er "tultule, meyeli purushmanush" - eta ki derogatory
>usage noi? Kobita likhe, gaan likhe, nari-shadhinata shammandhe bangali
>samaj'ke aware kore Rabindranath "tultule" holen kano eta amar mathai
>dhukchhe na. Lekhar style shammandhe preference thaktei pare, kintu
>I don't like the idea of being disrespectful towards Tagore - the man
>had a lot of vision, and bangali meye hishebe bhadrolok'er kachhe ami
>antato kritagya. Tai montobyo'ta gaye legechhe.
>Apni ki bolte chaichhen ami bujhechhi. Amar apotti'ta kothai apni
>bujhechhen to?
Na, Jhansi-r rani-r sange amar alap chhilo na. T(n)ar kirtir katha bad
dile-o, apnar lekha pore mone holo, apni pourush o meyeli-ta ke alkali
o acid-er mato ekta ph scale-e b(n)adhte chaichhen. Ebong, shei scale-e
Jhansi-r rani-r ph 7-er kachhakachhi. Eta-o kintu ekta stereotype.
Aar, shei stereotype-er sapekhye kono chhele ke meyeli bala to
kichhuta derogatory botei. ph scale-e kam number deoa.
Arthat, jeta bolte chaichhi, ta holo ekta stereotype-ke diye arektake
thekano ektu golmele. Jai hok, ekhon kete porchhi, Rabindranath aar
Jhansi-r rani-ke sroddha janiye.
Arya