New Propaganda Initiative Unleashed By NFB, Ullah Jamal & Co.
Shakil Sarwar
'cohorts' rather than its usual reference to company.
For the newcomers to usenet, I would like to introduce you to this
hate-mongerer Jamal Hasan. He embarked on a jihadi mission along with
his cohorts (notably Ullah of NFB) to de-islamise, secularise and
de-mystify Bangladesh. While he writes in scb forum under the name of
j_h...@my-deja.com, this same fella writes with other names such as
po...@hotmail.com (in NFB forum), mnkh...@hotmail.com (in eShomabesh)
forum although this account name was used in NFB in 1999/2000 period)
and who knows what else is on the offing (keep your fingers crossed
for new ones coming in the ensuing months; he needs to put on new
masks every season.)! Our Jamal chacha has routed Emperor Akbar
(founder of Din-e-ilahi) in inventing spinoffs of islam -- secular
islam, liberal islam, demystified islam, pakistani islam, etc. Kudos
to you, uncle.
His pal A.H. Jaffor Ullah is known to use user names like
jaf...@netscape.net, jha...@bellsouth.net, chay...@hotmail.com (Abul
Hasanath). Notice the propensity of picking user names like jhankar
and chayanot which should really have been chhayanot. FYI, chhayanot
is the name of cultural wing of Bangladesh Communist Party and their
student wing Bangladesh Chhatra Union. Ullah's, now living in the
comfort of capitalist USA, wrting bear testimony to his leaning to
islam-bashing and secularism -- if not communism. Do your digilence to
remain alert on all forms of propaganda unleashed by this Jamal-Jaffor
duo.
After spewing anti-islamic venom for more than a month by serially
publishing Ausaf Ali gibberish in the feature section of NFB as well
as SCB, a subtle initiative has been undertaken. This was initiated by
Jamal dada with his write-up titled 'For a Western reassessment of
'Islamic fundamentalism' by Jamal Hasan, Washington DC., E mail :
po...@hotmail.com, refer to
http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/jan/11/dv4n450.htm]. This was
followed by NFB editor's decision to serially publish 'The Rubayyat of
Omar Khayyam'. Here the purpose is to earn sympathy from the readers
for the perverted shia mullahs of Iran so that Talibans can be nabbed
using the iranian mullahs ('kanta deye kanta tola' policy). Vist
http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/thisshia.html to find out the true
color of shiaism.
Is there any need to serially publish Rubayyat on NFB when it is
readily available in any community library? And it would have also
suffice to allude to Ausaf Ali's website address rather than
reproducing in its entirety in NFB. It is interesting to note that
despite giving a propaganda title by NFB editor (Emerging Situations
Requiring Responses from Muslims in the Global Village), no readers
came forward to present an objective analysis of Ausaf's gibberish.
Basically, the propaganda purpose wasn't successfully materialised.
That was an absolute fiasco.
tare...@my-deja.com
published in a series under a very deceptive heading in NFB, and of all
the items, that one headline is printed in bold letters. What a plain
hate movement.
The answer to such trash is found in the following website by Dr.
Jeremiah D. McAuliffe Jr. which is conveniently overlooked by our
dugdugi brothers.
http://idt.net/~balboa19/warraq/warraq1a.html
About Chhayanot. Shamefully, I was involved with Chhayanot for a brief
period of time as a kid. Kids were lured into this group for innocent
entertainment and 'community' cultural activities. The parents were
also convinced to send their kids there. But it is only a front
organization of the then Indo-Russian axis of Bangladesh politics. The
people involved there were well known for their pro-Indian bias. CPB
and BCU people were the managers. The only activity Chhayanot did was
to brainwash the kids in the name of music. It was an indoctrination
process. The organizers' activity was not restricted to weekend music
classes only, but they basically started to control the kids' lives all
around the week. Unsuspecting parents felt safe because of some of the
DU teachers' involvement in that. But there were much more than what
people knew from outside. Usually kids of very early age are recruited
there, and indoctrinated. Then those who sell themselves to the pro-
Indian ideas become the new trainers. They monitor the moves of others.
And then there was the old method - use of opposite sex to hook young
people which went on very rampantly in ChhayaKnot.
Interestingly, although they talked about music when they admitted me,
I found out music meant only Rabindra sangeet. Other kind of music were
outcast. The core of the activites was to create a Rabindra cult in the
kids' heads - it was projected as a something our lives would be
worthless without. And any indifference towards Rabindra was not
tolerated - it was like a religion for Chhayanot. I don't know what
condition Chhyanot is now, but they are probably continuing their
'mission' still today. But then they have their progeny "Udichy" who
are doing the same thing with much more open Awami-India agenda so
Chhayanot can rest a bit. The well known Indian agents like Sanjida
Khatun who was one of the gurus of Chhayanot must feel very content.
For those who don't know Sanjida Khatun, she was a Bengali dept.
teacher specializing in Rabindra sangeet (and yes she has the vomiting
voice of Rabindra sangeet and raped 'Amar sonar bangla' pretty badly),
and got a Ph.D from Santiniketon in six months! Talk about being
rewarded a Ph.D rather than awarded.
Basically the duo on hand are so naive that they think Iranians are
going to grab their poison. If there is one thing these anti-Islam
elements should worry about, that is Iran. Because Iran will not
compromise unike the Saudi infidel rulers. And success of Iran is going
to be the ultimate catalyst for the downfall of the people like this
duo and their regiments. Iran means business.
TA
In article <3a5fd16c...@news.por.starwon.com.au>,
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Kulbir Singh
: For those who don't know Sanjida Khatun, she was a Bengali dept.
: teacher specializing in Rabindra sangeet (and yes she has the vomiting
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: voice of Rabindra sangeet and raped 'Amar sonar bangla' pretty badly),
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: and got a Ph.D from Santiniketon in six months! Talk about being
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: rewarded a Ph.D rather than awarded.
Dear Tarek_Ali,
Please note that soc.culture.bengali is an Indian newsgroup.
Try not to post Bengali stuff on this forum.
regards,
Kulbir Singh
: TA
Artho-niti-bid
tare...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
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Good One. I have an improved spelling for that organization :
"Chaya+Knot"
Also 2 New Ideas :
"Jamal Knots" and "Ullah Knots": Knots made by Ullahs and Jamals in
dire attempts to change the mainstream. May be a good surname for him.
From now on he will be : Mr. Knot-Ullah of Chaya Knot. I had Sanjaida
Khatoon as my former cook and Wahidul Haque as my former butler who used
to hum Tagore's music when I was a kid in Dhaka. It is also notable that
after serving as our butler for many years, Wahidul Haque divorced
Sanjida Khatoon and tied a new Knot with our maid Flora Ahmed who used
to sing her Naughty-Knot Rabindra Sangeet at Chaya-Knot. Now Ullah-Knot.
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--
Rekho-na Daash-er-O Mone,
Hey Minoti Kori Paade,
Shaadhi-te Mone-r Shaadh,
Ghaate Jodi Paaromaad,
Modhu-heen Koro-naago,
Taabo Mono Kokonade.
-- Michael Modhushudan Dutttttttt
while begging Iswar Chandra Bidda Sagar
for sending some money to booze and write
sonnets in London.
tare...@my-deja.com
Dear Kulbir:
I apologize. I just replied to a post and the original post had the
other ng entries. Anyway, I hope you do not have anything against the
Bengalis. Because I see a vast section of posts in Indian newsgroup has
nothing to do with India, and I have not not seen you object to those.
Since you have taken the job of cleaning your newsgroup, it would be
plenty appreciated if you could dissuade your guys from posting
material totally irrelevant to us in Bangladesh newsgroup also.
With kindest regards.
TA
Kulbir Singh
: In article <93t2a5$rsb$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca>,
: Kulbir Singh <kbh...@sfu.ca> wrote:
:> In soc.culture.bengali tare...@my-deja.com wrote:
:>
:> Dear Tarek_Ali,
:>
:> Please note that soc.culture.bengali is an Indian newsgroup.
:> Try not to post Bengali stuff on this forum.
: Dear Kulbir:
: I apologize. I just replied to a post and the original post had the
: other ng entries. Anyway, I hope you do not have anything against the
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: Bengalis.
++++++++
I have a lot against Bengalis. I feel
jealous of them. The higher phosphorus
content of the fish they eat make them
more intelligent than everybody else.
I have noticed this firsthand when I talked
to many of them during Durga Puja
festivities. I myself can't eat fish
because of reactive allergy syndrome.
This means that I am destined to be always
inferior to Bengalis. And that really
hurts !!!
regards,
Kulbir Singh
: With kindest regards.
tare...@my-deja.com
WOW, what do we have here. I may have hurt you without understanding
it. Let me apologize again - amar boro oporadh hoye giyechhe. Khoma,
Kulbir khoma!
A.H. Jaffor Ullah
should take note of Dhaka's leading English newspaper Daily Star. Much to
his chagrine this newspaper has also joined the NFB and rest of the
secularists publishing articles favoring the recent banning of 'Fatwas' in
Bangladesh. The DS has published my article "Fatwa, HC Verdict and
Recalcitrant Clerics"
(http://www.dailystarnews.com/200101/06/n1010602.htm#BODY5). Now the same
paper has published Mr. Arshad-uz-Zaman's article on the same subject
matter.
Please read Mr. Arshad-uz-Zaman's article to figure out that Mullah's and
Tarek Ali-CIA Siddiky duo are in deep trouble. Anyone who has sufficient
gray matter can see that heydays of 'Islamic Revivalism in Bangladesh' is
over now. Long gone are Gen. Zia and Gen. Ershad. The spigot of Middle
eastern petro dollars are running dry! Who is going to act as surrogate for
Saudi regime in Bangladesh? This Tarek Ali and Shakil Sarwar (CIA Siddiky)
duo, I suppose? Instead of loitering in the cyber space and spreading
miasma, we will encourage this duo to go to Tongi (located on the sacred
Turah River) for spreading Jihadi Islam in Bangladesh. They are indeed the
disciple of Osama bin Laden! Let this duo open a shop in Ijtema ground.
That would be fine and dandy!
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Feature Section / The Daily Star
January 15, 2001
Fatwa and the High Court
By Arshad-uz-Zaman
Bangladesh has been fortunate to get a lead from the judiciary. It is the
ultimate protector of its citizens. By going as far as they can go, the
judges have shown the way to our nation.
On New Year's Day a Division Bench of the High Court Division of the Supreme
Court of Bangladesh comprising Justice Mohammad Gholam Rabbani and Justice
Najmun Ara Sultana, the first woman judge in the country, declared any fatwa
issued from an unauthorised source is illegal and be made a punishable
offence by the Parliament immediately. Whereas the civil society by and
large welcomed the judgment voices started rising from those who have made
it a practice to pronounce fatwa in season and out of season.
There are some remarkable features of the judgement. The judges issued a suo
moto (of its own volition) rule. This landmark judgment was triggered by a
report in a Bengali daily which reported an incident of illegal fatwa in
Naogaon and the judges demanded from the district authority as to why his
inaction would not be violative of Section 7 of the Muslim Family Laws
Ordinance. According to the report a woman named Shahida, wife of Saiful of
Naogaon was forced to marry her cousin because her marriage was supposed to
have been dissolved on the pronouncement of the word 'talaq' by her husband.
She was forced to undergo a 'hilla' marriage in order to remarry her
husband, with whom she was living all the time. Later Saiful refused to
accept Shahida and sent her to her paternal home.
The famous lawyer Dr Kamal Hossain, appearing on behalf of the intervenor
submitted that fatwa was an open challenge to the fundamental rights whereas
the young lawyer Ms Tania Amir pointed out that instant fatwa is punishable
offence under section 508 of the penal code. Well-known Barrister
Amir-ul-Islam supported the point of view of both.
What is a fatwa? Fatwa is defined as a legal opinion of a lawful authority
and the only authority is the court of law. Thus frequent use of fatwa
especially in the rural areas is prone to great abuse. The judges strongly
recommended enactment of legislation by the Parliament that will penalise
the unauthorised practice of issuing illegal fatwa.
Going a step farther the judges have found that Madrassah education is
defective and as short term measure they recommended the study of Muslim
Family Laws Ordinance in all the schools including the Madrassahs. The
judges have suggested that during Juma prayers the Imams should include
Muslim Family Laws Ordinance and bring out the salient points. In a landmark
decision the judges have recommended a uniform system of education.
This historic judgment is bound to have far-reaching repercussion on the
nation as a whole. It has challenged the civil society to sit up and face
its responsibilities towards the underprivileged, the weak and the
vulnerable. It specially demands of the society that it protects the rights
of women, who are at the bottom end of the scale in economic and social
development. The judges challenged the obscurantists to face the opprobrium
of the civil society.
As events have unfolded the fatwabazs have not hesitated to react. Through
their spokesman Mufti Amini and Sheikhul Hadis they have pronounced the two
judges 'Murtad' They have launched a vicious campaign against the judges. It
is a matter for the authorities to ponder whether the two fatwabazs have
transgressed the limits and criminal proceedings are called for.
By their very important verdict the judges have attempted to banish fatwa,
which is a bane of our rural society. By using the case at Naogaon the
judges have made observations of a most sweeping kind. They have challenged
the politicians to enact legislation to deal with the matter of fatwa. So
far we do not see any movement from the political parties. I would venture
to suggest that it is the ruling party, the Awami League, from whom the
nation is expecting a lead in this matter. If we analyse the judgment we
find that its contents are secular in character. The Awami League has a long
history of struggle for establishing secularism in what is Bangladesh. That
struggle coincides with the history of the Awami League. In the early days
of Pakistan the Awami League fought for joint electorate and won.
Of the four pillars on which the sovereign state of Bangladesh was founded,
secularism was supposed to be the most important one. Since the
assassination of the Father of the Nation Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
and his family and close associates in 1975, successive governments have
mauled the Constitution to a point that it is almost unrecognisable. It is
the same old Pakistani game. The Pakistanis played with the religious
sentiments of the people in order to earn cheap popularity. As history has
proved again and again, the so-called Islamic card fails to produce any
electoral benefit. Why is it that Jamaat-e-Islami and other so-called
Islamist parties fare so poorly at the polls?
It is time to pronounce loud and clear that secularism is an inseparable
part of our existence. Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman had incorporated
secularism as one of the pillars of the state. By so doing he reflected the
national will. If we want to honour our motherland and the role of the
Father of the Nation, we must place secularism where it belongs in our
Constitution.
The two judges have laid great stress on secular education and as a
long-term measure have advocated unified education. The fact that
obscurantists have a free run is mainly because of illiteracy and two
systems of education. I may illustrate my point with the example of Turkey.
Ninety-nine per cent of the Turkish population are Muslims. The Turks are
deeply religious although they abhor any showing off. Following the defeat
and dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire after the First World War, the Turks
under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk fought their war of
independence and drove the enemy away. The proximity of Europe had a
profound influence on Turkey and Ataturk undertook sweeping reforms, which
transformed the society. The main pillar of his reforms was secularism. It
means the state and religion must remain separate. Turks very rightly and
proudly proclaim that they have shed more blood for Islam than any other
Muslim people. Based on their unhappy past riddled with fatwas from
so-called religious zealots, Ataturk totally banned Turbas and similar
religious outfits.
The patriotic armed forces of Turkey consider them as the guardians of
Ataturk's reforms. Most importantly they stand vigil over secularism. Since
the armed forces spring from the nation and have a heroic past, they enjoy
unbounded affection and approval by the masses. Thus in 1997 when Necmettin
Erbakan, the Prime Minister of the Islamist party called Welfare Party,
strayed to far away from the secular moorings, he was virtually ousted in a
manner which would appear highhanded. The armed forces moved in order to
defend the state and its secular principles.
There is an institution in Turkey called the National Security Council,
which meets regularly under the President of the Republic and the members
are almost evenly divided between civilians and the military. It is the
highest policy making body and under the prodding of the armed forces, it
adopted a landmark decision by which the students were obliged to attend
secular schools up to the age of 15, thereby virtually abolishing what is
known as the Imam-Hatip (our Madrassah) school. Our two judges by
pronouncing in favour of unified education have in fact given the lead for
secular education. Education is the foundation of all progress and education
of different varieties only leads to confusion within the nation.
Bangladesh has been fortunate to get a lead from the judiciary. It is the
ultimate protector of its citizens. By going as far as they can go, the
judges have shown the way to our nation.
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Shakil Sarwar <shakil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a5fd16c...@news.por.starwon.com.au...
> Note that Co. in the subject header of this post actually stands for
> 'cohorts' rather than its usual reference to company.
> rest deleted for brevity<
tare...@my-deja.com
everybody except Jaffor, Jamal, Shomir and NKDatta in the newsgroup are
same person. Are you happy now, and hope you will be able to treat
people around you a little bit humanly. Get some sound sleep now that
we have 'confessed' :), and you will be able to think clearly in the
morning. Bye.
TA
In article <IqK86.29$ed....@news4.mco>,
Ronin
the problems plaguing not only Bangladesh society, but all of South
Asia. Time passes us so fast. And while nations of South east Asia,
China, and latin America are proudly marching toward a liberal,
technologically advanced society, we are dragging ourselves into the
same old mud field. One hopes that all of Bangladesh will soon be
thinking like you and sharing your dreams of a very different Bangladesh
- where men and women can walk freely, where boys and girls can play
safely in parks, and where nations like Japan and Ireland will be coming
to Bangladesh to learn about freedom, prosperity and the right of the
individual to live without fear of mafia vendettas in the name of
"religion".
In article <IqK86.29$ed....@news4.mco>,
"A.H. Jaffor Ullah" <Jaf...@netscape.net> wrote:
Shomir
> For your psychological therapy (and your friends' too), we say that
> everybody except Jaffor, Jamal, Shomir and NKDatta in the newsgroup are
> same person. Are you happy now, and hope you will be able to treat
> people around you a little bit humanly. Get some sound sleep now that
> we have 'confessed' :), and you will be able to think clearly in the
> morning. Bye.
>
> TA
Just for a clarification, here are the aliases Tarok Mian uses or used to:
1) Shamim Ahmed (When a student in New England)
2) Jhontu (When a student in New England)
3) Prof. Sharif. Islam (Now a CA resident)
4) Tarek Fazle Ali (Used to be a MA, New England account)
5) KGazi (This is his new - a CA account)
6) Traveler (AOL free account, possibly used up, but will not be surprised
to see it resurface again)
7) Laboom (AOL free account, possibly used up, but will not be surprised to
see it resurface again)
You are unique in one respect that the readers of this forum will never
mistake you for any of the individuals listed below, and who visit this
Soc.Culture.Bangladesh forum:
1) CIA Siddiky
2) Sumon Rahaman
3) Coldbk
4) Shabbir Bashar
5) Mahmud Farooque
6) Eauafan/Minilinux
7) K Rahaman
8) Mashiur Rahman
9) Muhammad Kareem
10) Murshed A. Choudhury
11) Saif Ahmed
12) S E Jamil
13) Shaad Mohiuddin Ahmad
14) Shakil Sharwar
15) Abdul Halim
16) Muhammad Ali
17) Mwzaman
18) Zafar Chowdhury
19) Zahid Hussain
20) Zunaid Kazi
21) Nusrat Rizvi
22)N K Datta
23) Sukhomoy Bain
24) Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
25) Jit Dutta
26) Subir Kumar
27) Atanu De
28) Rahul Chakma
29) Keith Stewart
30) Denis Wright
31) myself (Shomir)
Shomir
===========================
Shomir
> For your psychological therapy (and your friends' too), we say that
> everybody except Jaffor, Jamal, Shomir and NKDatta in the newsgroup are
> same person. Are you happy now, and hope you will be able to treat
> people around you a little bit humanly. Get some sound sleep now that
> we have 'confessed' :), and you will be able to think clearly in the
> morning. Bye.
>
> TA
Just for a clarification, here are the aliases razakar Tarok mian uses or
used to:
1) Shamim Ahmed (When a student in New England)
2) Jhontu (When a student in New England)
3) Prof. Sharif. Islam (Now a CA resident)
4) Tarek Fazle Ali (Used to be a MA, New England account)
5) KGazi (This is his new - a CA account)
6) Traveler (AOL free account, possibly used up, but will not be surprised
to see it resurface again)
7) Laboom (AOL free account, possibly used up, but will not be surprised to
see it resurface again)
You are unique in one respect that the readers of this forum will never
mistake you for any of the individuals listed below, and who visit this
soc.culture.bangladesh forum:
1) CIA Siddiky
2) Sumon Rahaman
3) Coldbk
4) Shabbir Bashar
5) Mahmud Farooque
6) Eauafan/Minilinux
7) K Rahaman
8) Mashiur Rahman
9) Muhammad Kareem
10) Murshed A. Choudhury
11) Saif Ahmed
12) S E Jamil
13) Shaad Mohiuddin Ahmad
14) Jamal Hasan
15) Jaffor
16) Shakil Sharwar
17) Abdul Halim
18) Muhammad Ali
19) Mwzaman
20) Zafar Chowdhury
21) Zahid Hussain
22) Zunaid Kazi
23) Nusrat Rizvi
24)N K Datta
25) Sukhomoy Bain
26) Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
27) Jit Dutta
28) Subir Kumar
29) Atanu De
30) Rahul Chakma
31) Keith Stewart
32) Denis Wright
33) myself (Shomir)
Shomir
===========================
tare...@my-deja.com
Shomir <sho...@My-dejanews.com> wrote:
> tare...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > For your psychological therapy (and your friends' too), we say that
> > everybody except Jaffor, Jamal, Shomir and NKDatta in the newsgroup
are
> > same person. Are you happy now, and hope you will be able to treat
> > people around you a little bit humanly. Get some sound sleep now
that
> > we have 'confessed' :), and you will be able to think clearly in the
> > morning. Bye.
> >
> > TA
>
Shomir bhodai:
How can you be such a simpleton? Were you malnourished when growing up
in India? I am having a great time by looking at your ahammoki. What
will make you happy, a return ticket to my city to meet me in person?
Well you are in luck. Visit www.monkeysareus.com and click on the
'fools paradise'. Enter your shoe size in feet and your brain size in
microns, and you will automatically qualify for a free ticket.
TA
j_h...@my-deja.com
> Feature Section / The Daily Star
> January 15, 2001
>
> Fatwa and the High Court
>
> By Arshad-uz-Zaman
> What is a fatwa? Fatwa is defined as a legal opinion of a lawful
authority and the only authority is the court of law. Thus frequent use
of fatwa especially in the rural areas is prone to great abuse. The
judges strongly recommended enactment of legislation by the Parliament
that will penalise the unauthorised practice of issuing illegal fatwa.
========================================================================
I APPOLOGIZE.
By-fatemolla.
fate...@hotmail.com
(Donditer Shathe,Dondo-Data K(n)ade Jobe Shoman Aaghate,
Shorbo-Shreshtho Se Bichaar.) ( Kobiguru).
You are a Muslim-woman. You are a loving daughter of your poor
village-parents, loving doll of your brothers/sisters. Without much
formal education, you are thorough in your devotion to Allah/Prophet
(SA)/Qur’aan, in your Namaz, Roja, Zakat, and other Islami rituals.
Though unsung and unlamented, you continuously work hard for your home
and loving kids. Your husband is an average guy. He works hard for the
family and in last 10/15 years made some properties also. You are happy,
content.
And then the thunder brakes down on your head, for no fault of yours.
For silly reason, your husband gets upset with you and utters “Talaq”
three times in a row. And he gets stunned. He did not really mean to
divorce you, and realises his blunder immediately. But the neighbours
overhear his utterance and reach it to the Chairman of the Union
Porishod. The Chairman feels it necessary to observe the Islamic Law. He
declares that you are divorced. You will have to leave the house after
the Iddat, and observe hijab to your ex-husband, the same person whom
you gifted kids and shared bed/life with.
The Imam does not quite agree with the finality of the divorce because
the utterances were done all at one time. He brings Maolana
Wahiduddin’s Woman in Islamic Shariah and shows from page 109 that
according to a hadis of Abu Daud ( Sahi Sitta), the prophet (SA) took
three utterances at one time as one utterance. He also shows from page
51 of Md Sharif Chaudhry’s Women’s Rights in Islam that a hadis of Nisai
( Sahi Sitta) records the Prophet (SA) got extremely angry with a case
like this and said, "Are you playing with the Book of Almighty and
Glorious Allah while I am ( still) amongst you? The same he shows again
in page 127 in the Bangla translation of the Qur’aan by Maolana
Muhiuddin Khan. (This book he bought from a bookshop by cash money
though at the bottom of the 2nd page it is written that this is only for
free distribution from the Saudi King, and not for sale). But the Imam
was defeated. The Chairman showed from the page 110 of the same book of
Maolana Wahiduddin that latter Khalifa Omar (RA) validated the divorce
with three utterances at one time, though he used to whip the husbands
for this ‘crime’ against the Qur’aan.
So, you are divorced now. What is your fault? You don’t know.
They open the Qur’aan and read the divine instruction from Sura
Al-Bakara (Sura-Cow)-230:- So if he divorces her ( for a third time)
then she shall not be lawful to him until she weds another husband;
and if he (also) divorces her, then there shall be no sin on either of
them if they return to each other... ( translated by molla,- please
double check for distortion. )
So now you must marry somebody else and then get divorced by him to be
re-united with your home, your kids and husband! You stood like a statue
of stone. Your husband stood like a statue of stone, speechless, like a
helpless orphan in front an extremely powerful religious system. There
is a chance of repentance and hope of pardon from Allah for heinous
crimes like killing, rape, theft or robbery. But there is no chance for
you or your husband for his simple slip of tongue. Allah knows, he did
not mean to divorce you. The whole village stood speechless.
You never even thought of marrying anybody else. You feel shocked,
humiliated, finished. But there is no room for feeling in a law. With
ocean of tears you and your husband agree to the marriage. Somebody
comes up. He is a n honest guy. He agrees to marry and then divorce
you, plans in his mind not to touch you, to keep your physical chastity.
But no! It was not that easy! There the Chairman opened the details of
Islami Sharia. He read it out to others:-
Rule No#2536. she becomes haraam for him after the third divorce. But if
she marries another man after the third divorce, she becomes halal for
the first husband on fulfilment of five conditions, that is, only then
he can remarry her:
1. The marriage with the second per should have been of permanent
nature. If he contracts wither a temporary marriage for one month or a
year, and then separates from her, the first husband can not marry her.
2. The second husband should have had sexual intercourse wither,
and the obligatory precaution is that the sexual intercourse should have
taken place in a normal way.
3. The second husband divorces her, or dies.
4. The waiting period (iddah) of divorce or iddah of death of the
second husband should have come to an end.
5. On the basis of obligatory precaution the second husband should
have been Baligh (means adult - fatemolla) at the time of intercourse.
(fatemolla says:- how come a non-Baligh, means non-adult Oh! Forget
it!)
Your husband in a broken voice raises the point that the Sharia Book is
written by Ayatullah al Uzama Syed Ali al-Husaini Seestani, the top
legal authority of 200 plus million Shias, and may not be applicable to
you because you are Sunni. Poor man took a last desperate chance to save
you from taking your cloths off to another man, legally. The Imam again
opens the Bangla-Qur’aan and reads the Tafseer from page 126:- The
condition of their re-marriage is, the wife will marry somebody else
after the Iddat. And if for any reason the second husband divorces her
after the sexual relation , or he dies, then she can re-marry the first
husband after the Iddat. (translated by molla, please double check!).
Then somebody brings Moksudul Momeneen by Alhaz Md. Lutful Alam, and
reads from page 231:- The foremost condition of HILA ( the second
marriage) is a profound sexual intercourse with the second husband. HILA
must be according to Sharia like a common marriage. There must not be
any condition of divorce or anything else. There must not be a divorce
from the second husband by force. He will divorce according to his
will. There is nothing to do if he does not divorce.
Are you listening? Are you hearing anything, seeing anything? Are you
trying to say something? You seem to be deaf, dumb and blind. You
always believed in Keyamat. Keyamat is here, now, for you. A hundred
times you have read the Qur’aan with total devotion, 4:79 Whatever
good befalls you it is from God and whatever evil befalls you it is from
yourself. So you restlessly look for your fault in heaven and earth.
You do not see any. Now you have to perform the same acts in the kitchen
and in the bed you did with your loving husband. You feel a knife on
your throat. Your husband feels a knife on his throat. Your children are
shaking like animals in front of slaughterhouse. They will never recover
from the trauma they are undergoing now. They will never be able to
recover from it, be able to become complete human beings.
THAT IS THE LAW OF ISLAMIC SHARIA, UNDISPUTED BY ALL THE SECTS. They
kill each other even in the mosques for being Shia/Sunni/Ahmadi, but all
of them are quite univocal about the cruel devastating effect of some
Islamic rules/laws/regulations on your life. They don’t realise how
precious your life is. They fail to respect your incredibly complicated
systems of body and mind which nature developed through its incredible
effort and craftsmanship of millions of years with utmost love and care.
I cannot save you, dear sister! I can only scream, and that is exactly
what I am doing. We want Pakistan to apologize to us for the genocide on
us in 1971. In different countries conscience people apologized for the
crimes their ancestors did to others before centuries. For sure one day
you will stand strong against this immense suffering for no fault of
yours. You will say, if any system tortures innocent wo/mankind, it
surely is some devil in disguise of religion. Nobody has the slightest
right to molest your dignity as a human being, if you are innocent. And
you know that you are innocent.
Before that happens, today with ocean of tears I deeply apologize to you
for the torture we did on you for centuries. I cannot do that on behalf
of all men because I am not authorized to do so. But a day will come
when all the men of Islam will realise your pain and will sincerely
apologize to you, my dear sister.
(DEAR READERS, fatemolla IS NOT THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE. MILLIONS OF
DEVASTATED SISTERS WROTE IT IN HIS HEART WITH THEIR IMMENSE CRIES OF
PAIN. IF YOU FIND IT WORTH, PLEASE PROPAGATE THIS ARTICLE IN YOUR NAME
OR ANY OTHER NAME. )
…………………………………………………………………
j_h...@my-deja.com
> Feature Section / The Daily Star
> January 15, 2001
>
> Fatwa and the High Court
>
> By Arshad-uz-Zaman
>
Bangladesh has been fortunate to get a lead from the judiciary. It is
the ultimate protector of its citizens. By going as far as they can go,
the judges have shown the way to our nation.
========================================================================
DAWN, Karachi, Pakistan
16 January 2001 Tuesday 20 Shawwal 1421
EDITORIAL
The fatwa issue
THE judicial controversy in Bangladesh over the fatwa issue must be
watched in Pakistan with interest. Like Pakistan, Bangladesh too is a
fatwa-oriented country where it is not uncommon to find nonconformists
declared kafir . In this category fell a woman writer, Taslima Nasreen,
whose novel Lajja (shame) aroused such feelings among a section of the
ulema that she was declared a kafir. To discourage such free-wheeling
and at times improper use of fatwas, the high court of Bangladesh ruled
that issuing fatwas was unauthorized and illegal. Now the Bangladesh
supreme court has stayed the operation of the high court ruling for six
weeks pending its reconsideration by the apex court. The issue is
complex and needs careful study because in most Muslim societies the
ulema occupy a certain position that is all their own. This position
stems from their knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah, and people go to
them for advice on issues offiqh. Specifically, in such matters as
rituals, matrimonial issues, and laws of inheritance people rely on the
ulema for advice and accept it. However, not all those claiming to be
part of the ulema fraternity have the necessary qualification to give a
ruling on sensitive and complex issues.
In fact, an aalim sitting in judgment on sensitive issues must not only
be thorough on Islamic law and jurisprudence; he must also be learned in
modern economic and political thought and be fully conversant with
current international trends not in conflict with Islamic tenets and
values. Unfortunately, many clerics misuse their position for political
or personal reasons. There is no dearth in Pakistan of cases where
people opposing a given point of view different from that of one section
of the ulema or another were labelled kafir. Sometimes, even rival ulema
hurl this epithet at each other for political, sectarian or personal
reasons. There were also cases where family and property disputes
motivated some unscrupulous clerics to issue death sentences. Some of
these sentences were, in fact, carried out by frenzied mobs which killed
the target of the fatwa. In one case, the victim was dragged out of his
quarter in a mosque, killed, and his body dragged along the streets. The
horrifying deed was performed by largely illiterate people, but the
episode serves to emphasize the danger which half-baked and unscrupulous
among the ulema pose to society.
The question the ulema in Bangladesh and in this country must address is
whether Islam authorizes an individual aalim to issue fatwas of this
kind. In Pakistan, we have the Islamic Ideology Council and there are
the Shariat Benches of the superior courts where men learned in Islamic
law sit. Does - in their presence - any individual,aalim or otherwise,
have the right to issue fatwas declaring someone an apostate? It is time
the ulema belonging to different schools of thought paid attention to
the danger which the degeneration of the concept of fatwa poses to
society. Meanwhile, let us watch the judicial developments on the issue
in Bangladesh.
j_h...@my-deja.com
> Feature Section / The Daily Star
> January 15, 2001
>
> Fatwa and the High Court
>
> By Arshad-uz-Zaman
Bangladesh has been fortunate to get a lead from the judiciary. It is
the ultimate protector of its citizens. By going as far as they can go,
the judges have shown the way to our nation.
>
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FRIDAY TIMES of Lahore, Pakistan
Leaf from Bangladesh
Najam Sethi's
E d i t o r i a l
Last week, two courageous judges of the Bangladesh High Court in Dhaka,
a man and a woman, handed down a judgment of great significance to all
Muslim-majority countries that claim democratic statehood. They said
that religious fatwas or edicts purporting to be Islamic law issued by
maulvis, maulanas, muftis or other religo-political leaders are illegal
and should be liable to punishment as any other illegality. The court
had taken notice of the plight of a rural housewife who was verbally
divorced by her husband and then forced to marry another as decreed by a
local mullah.
It held that " fatwa means legal opinion which means legal opinion of a
lawful person or authority. The legal system in Bangladesh empowers
only the courts to decide all questions relating to legal opinion on
Muslim and other laws in force...we therefore hold that any fatwa
including this one is unauthorized and illegal...Giving a fatwa by
unauthorized person or persons, even if it is not executed, must be made
a punishable offence by Parliament immediately..." The court admonished
the District Magistrate who did not take "cognizance of the said offence
under Section 190 of the Code of Criminal Procedure" and hoped that this
would serve "once for all as a warning to the other district
magistrates, magistrates and police officers".
In parting, the court wondered "why a particular group of men, upon
getting education from madrassas or forming a religious group, are
becoming fanatics with wrong views" and suggested that perhaps there
might be a "defect in their education and their attitude". It then went
on to recommend the introduction of the Bangladesh Muslim Family
Ordinance in the curriculums of madrassahs and schools as well as during
Friday prayer sermons. It suggested a "unified education system and an
enactment to control freedom of religion subject to law, public order
and morality within the scope of Article 41(1) of the Bangladesh
constitution. "The state must define and enforce public morality. It
must educate society", held the court.
According to Amnesty International, "dozens of fatwas are issued each
year in Bangladesh by the rural clergy at village gatherings after
receipt of complaints, usually against women who assert themselves in
village family life. They impose flogging and stoning and other
humiliating punishments such as shaving of heads, insults and beatings.
They are also often involved in their execution". The motive, says AI,
is often financial because fatwas can be a source of income for the
fatwabaz (those in the business of issuing fatwas) who justify their
deeds in the name of religion. At least 10 women have committed suicide
or been killed as a result of such fatwas in the last two years.
Fatwa is an old Islamic instrument of expressing religious opinion based
on the "school of thought" of the mufti ( fatwa -giver). The mufti was
once a state officer who gave official state opinion when the state was
represented by an Amirul Momineen. Today, however, the state in most
Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan is represented by a host
of institutions whose scope is defined in a Constitution, among which
parliament is the sole law-maker and giver while the judiciary is the
sole interpreter and opinion-giver of all laws. In modern parlance, if
parliament is the Amirul Momineen, the courts are the grand muftis.
Therefore there is no room for mullahs or anyone else to issue fatwas or
edicts purporting to have the weight of Islamic law behind them.
The practice of issuing fatwas was never altogether abandoned by the
mullahs in most Muslim countries even after they adopted democratic
statehood. In due course, sectarian and "school" differences of opinion
gave rise to various types of fatwas, usually of tafkir (apostasy) of
rival sectarian leaders. In the sub-continent, for example, Sir Syed
Ahmad Khan, the great Muslim modernizer of the 19th century, was
subjected to a number of "united fatwas" of many "Islamic" schools of
thought. Nor was the great 20th century poet Allama Mohammad Iqbal
spared.
In Pakistan, the fatwa has come to mean an opinion, exhortation or
command issued by an individual, group or party whose belief structure
is based on any one of the various sects of Islam. So we have dissenting
fatwas on foreign policy, murderous fatwas against the United States,
threatening fatwas against various women and human rights NGOs, etc. We
can even recall a particularly bullying fatwa against our courageous
colleague, Ardeshir Cowasjee, issued by a mullah in Karachi at the
behest of a former chief minister of Sindh who was annoyed with the
columnist for opposing his land-grabbing schemes. In essence, such
fatwas are attempts to silence dissenting opinion by inciting the public
to violence against the target.
Unfortunately, our courts have rarely demonstrated the same courage vis
a vis such fatwas as the Bangladesh High Court. Nor has the Pakistani
state successfully learnt to cope with the phenomena of fatwas, some of
which have damaged the credibility of the country and served to create a
"negative" image abroad by encouraging violent vigilantist practices and
undermining the writ of the state. Therefore we should take a leaf from
the Bangladesh High Court judgment and set our house in order.
j_h...@my-deja.com
Some of you might be wondering what happened to News from Bangladesh?
Why the funny message popping up each time you click on the address of
the web journal? Did you notice that NFB is not alone in this
predicament. The fate of Daily Independent and Muktokantha is similar.
The reason for this unforeseen circumstances is, there is a temporary
glitch arising from the US based web server. As the latest development
unfolds a serious effort is made to remedy this problem. We hope we will
be able to enjoy viewing the papers within a week or two.
Sincerely yours,
Jamal Hasan
tare...@my-deja.com
Nobody misses you, I mean Jaffor Ullah. Funny is it not? Jaffor Ullah
is the editor of the NFB, but the announcement is being made by Jamal
Hasan!!%#$!#&^ Hmmmmm.
TA
In article <9479lm$g58$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Shakil Sarwar
Unfortunately, the test failed miserably since news-hungry people know
very well as to where to go to find out the sources from where NFB
does its cut/paste. Of special interest is the referring to NFB as a
news journal by ullah's chamcha & assistant propaganda manager jamal
hasan aka Goebbel, the reincarnate. I am surprised to find this
islam-bashing secular fundamentalist bloke speak up with an 'active
mode' message after a long time!!!
I guess, the server serving NFB refused to serve anymore after being
over-laden by propagnada messages or maybe the curse of hindus befell
on it after ullah chided their kumbha mela.
A.H. Jaffor Ullah
Perhaps, Shakil Sarwar is so busy with his C&P (Cutting and Pasting) job
that he hardly notices that Global Amitech, the publisher of NFB, also
produces the Internet version of The Daily Independent and Bangla daily
newspaper "Muktakantha."
All the problem related to Web Hosting is resolved now and all three sites
are now up and running. BTW, NFB mostly takes news items from 'The
Independent," which is a far better newspaper if I may say so than Mainul
Hosein's Yellow Journalistic enterprise! Besides, the web sites of these
three newspapers were off for only 2 days. I have seen both The Daily Star
and The New Nation sometimes fail to update their respective papers for days
without even telling the readers what the problems are. Jamal Hasan, a
regular contributor to NFB, felt it was necessary to tell the readers of
NFB, the Independent, and the Muktakantha the problem Global Amitech was
facing with web hosting. We now live in the days of glasnost, if Shakil
Sarwar and his sidekick Tarek Ali care to know. There is nothing wrong in
telling others what is going on with the on-line publications of not ONE but
THREE daily newspapers of Bangladesh. But Tarek Ali is Tarek Ali and he
sees only the negative aspect of life. He should have thanked Jamal Hasan,
but instead his ire was on Jamal. The reader of this NG is smart. They know
why the miasma maker, Tarek Ali, taunts Jamal. And now Tarek Ali's partner
in misinformation campaign, Mr. Shakil Sarwar, is all agog knowing the
situation of the past two days relating to web hosting problems all the
three newspapers of Bangladesh have had.
It has not escaped my attention that Shakil Sarwar is now up to a different
kind of game to do character assassination of secularists like Jamal and me.
He ventures out to other Cyber forum such as 'Sethubandhan' in search of mud
to spread in this NG. Occasionally, he may find one or two characters who
wouldn't like to read the story coming out of secularists' pen. Both Jamal
and I write original articles for NFB, The Independent, and The Daily Star.
But these critics of secularist writers hardly pen any original article
(come to think of it, none of our detractors such as Tarek Ali, Shakil
Sarwar, Mr. Shamim Ahmed Jhontu, Prof. Shariful Islam, CIA Siddiky ever
write any original article) but they are bent backwards to spread miasma in
the NG to create confusion. A case in point is my article "Monkey
Machinations," which I wrote in the aftermath of hearing a funny story in
the NPR. My article was not directed towards Hindus, but to all
practitioner of "Blind Faith." But Shakil Sarwar hardly reads any article
in its entirety. He saw me writing on Kumbha Mela and hanumans. And that
was it! He was all agog knowing that Jaffor Ullah is now after all the
Hindu fundamentalists. Didn't I took snipe at folks who have joined the
"Akheri Munajaat" (Final Supplication" of 'Bishwa Ejtema' (World
Congregation)? How come it eludes Mr. Shakil Sarwar? My critics at
Setubandahan (some self-declared preservers of Islam in Bangladesh who are
devouring the nectar of secularism in America, isn't that odd, Mr.
Sarwar!!!) didn't appreciate my comments directed towards Muslims of
bangladesh. And that was precisely the reason they became the dour critics
of my article. They were not upholding the pathetic participants of Kumbha
mela, if Shakil Sawrar cares to notice.
Both Mr. Shakil Sarwar and Tarek Ali should take cognizance to the fact that
basically there are 3 kinds of folks in this world. The first kind likes to
discuss or talk about ideas. The second kind loves to discuss the incidence
(history, one might say), and the third kind only likes to dabble in
discussing about personalities or other folks a la Poro-Chorcha and
Poro-Ninda (in the style of National Enquirer). I would leave this up to the
intelligence of this NG readers to figure out in which group Mr. Tarek Ali
and Shakil Sarawar belong.
Shakil Sarwar <shakil...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:3a693417...@news.por.starwon.com.au...
A.H. Jaffor Ullah
articles not to your taste and temperament? Too bad, huh! Why do you bad
mouth NFB so often?
I bet you are compositionally challenged and that is the reason you do
resort to electronic cutting and pasting to favor your views. Just a
reminder, I wrote you an e-mail asking you to submit original articles (no
cutting and pasting -- the art that is your forte!). You didn't reply to my
letter by saying that you cannot access your hotmail.com. You're admitting
though that you've done some grievous mistakes and because of that the MSN
folks have frozen your account. I never wrote to hotmail.com folks
complaining about you. You're admitting that you've broken your promise to
MSN folks by sending hate mails or else how could they possibly froze your
account. Quite an admission of guilt by you! But I wonder whether you've
rectified your past behavior. You still take snipe at Jamal Hasan and me for
no good reason. Keep on foul-mouthing other fellow netters and you will be
ostracized very soon from other network. Not a good track record, huh?
I see you've decided to wage one-man-Jihad against the writers who publish
in NFB. Did you ever try to submit original articles to NFB? When?
Through your recent postings I learned that you are too eager to know the
identity of Mr. Mohammad Nawaz Khan. Mr. Shakil Sarwar, I have all the
reasons to assume that yours is also a fictitious one. Or else you would
have revealed your identity by now. When I started writing in public forum
a long time ago, I said out loud who am I. Likewise, Jamal Hasan,
Fatemolla, Narayan Gupta, Abul Kasem, Mr. Shabbir Ahmed, Prof. Ausaf Ali,
and many more secular writers have come forward with their identity. Do you
have something worthwhile to say about you to the rest of the world? Or,
will you still hide your identity because you are a paranoiac person?
Nothing to worry about, though. No harm would ever come from any of us.
If you want to establish a healthy dialogue with Bangalee secularists
without having to utter a single word of denigration, slender, slur, or
traducement then first tell us who you are. Is it much too much to ask this
favor from a person like you? The Bangla adage - "Brikkhe'r Porichoy Foley"
will hold true if a negative answer comes out of your mouth!
Shakil Sarwar <shakil...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:3a693417...@news.por.starwon.com.au...
A.H. Jaffor Ullah
Shakil Sarwar
<Jaf...@netscape.net> wrote:
>Jaffor Ullah replies as follows to the posting of Shakil Sawrar:
>
>Perhaps, Shakil Sarwar is so busy with his C&P (Cutting and Pasting) job
>that he hardly notices that Global Amitech, the publisher of NFB, also
>produces the Internet version of The Daily Independent and Bangla daily
>newspaper "Muktakantha."
No, there was no lapse on my part in this regard. I have learnt to
read between the lines which you haven't after doctoring 1k+ gibberish
write-ups. Your pal wrote,
>> >In article <9479lm$g58$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> > j_h...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> >> Dear newsgroup viewers:
>> >>
>> >> Some of you might be wondering what happened to News from Bangladesh?
>> >> Why the funny message popping up each time you click on the address of
>> >> the web journal? Did you notice that NFB is not alone in this
>> >> predicament. The fate of Daily Independent and Muktokantha is similar.
Right there it is mentioned about the other two newspapers. An average
reader can't miss it. However, rabble-rousers like you are accustomed
to look down upon anybody who doesn't share your views, and hence, is
your vicious attempt to underestimate my knowledge of Amitech's
coverage. I can clearly recall that back in those days, under the
domain name of bangladesh-web, Amitech used to host NFB along with
Independent, Nation (not daily New Nation) and Adda. ullah, you don't
have to show me High Court!! I could reproduce articles from those
days had the Chernobyl virus not taken care of my hard disk.
>BTW, NFB mostly takes news items from 'The
>Independent," which is a far better newspaper if I may say so than Mainul
>Hosein's Yellow Journalistic enterprise!
You don't have teach us who are involved with yellow/red/blue
journalism. We are very much familiar with the backgrounds of editors
and owners of different newspapers. I was physically present in
Bangladesh to see what situations led Beximco to initiate Muktakantha
publication.
>Jamal Hasan, a regular contributor to NFB,
Perhaps, you meant to say, a regular propaganda disseminator
>There is nothing wrong in telling others what is going on with the
>on-line publications ...
Who said that? Obviously, you failed to get the point Tarek and I were
trying to make.
> But Tarek Ali is Tarek Ali and he sees only the negative aspect of life.
Do humanity a big favor; Know Thyself. Why do you and your cohorts see
only the negative aspect of islam?
>Both Jamal
>and I write original articles for NFB, The Independent, and The Daily Star.
It hardly matters anything whether you pen original articles or not
unless there exist some sound logic and substance in them. Relentless
spewing out of hatred, in the name of secularism, out of vengence,
ignorance and prejudice can hardly add anything to the quality of your
articles no matter how original they are claimed to be. And, remember,
it's not the quantity that matters, but the quality.
>But Shakil Sarwar hardly reads any article
>in its entirety. He saw me writing on Kumbha Mela and hanumans. And that
>was it!
Well, I guess I am not alone in that bandwagon when I see doctor and
doctorate degree holders at Shetubondon forum criticise you rather
bitterly. I am just an ordinary guy. Why don't you write rebuttals
since you are so good at at.
>Both Mr. Shakil Sarwar and Tarek Ali should take cognizance to the fact that
>basically there are 3 kinds of folks in this world. The first kind likes to
>discuss or talk about ideas. The second kind loves to discuss the incidence
>(history, one might say), and the third kind only likes to dabble in
>discussing about personalities or other folks a la Poro-Chorcha and
>Poro-Ninda (in the style of National Enquirer). I would leave this up to the
>intelligence of this NG readers to figure out in which group Mr. Tarek Ali
>and Shakil Sarawar belong.
Let me, as a reader of this NG and accepting the open invitation of
ullah, take this golden opportunity to state that ullah and his pals
fit in the third kind. A quick look at the NFB archives will bear
testimony to my statement. Well, more articles of ullah are in my
treasure trove in case anybody is willing to read them.
Shakil Sarwar
<arthon...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Good One. I have an improved spelling for that organization :
>
> "Chaya+Knot"
>
>Also 2 New Ideas :
> "Jamal Knots" and "Ullah Knots": Knots made by Ullahs and Jamals in
>dire attempts to change the mainstream. May be a good surname for him.
>From now on he will be : Mr. Knot-Ullah of Chaya Knot. I had Sanjaida
>Khatoon as my former cook and Wahidul Haque as my former butler who used
>to hum Tagore's music when I was a kid in Dhaka. It is also notable that
>after serving as our butler for many years, Wahidul Haque divorced
>Sanjida Khatoon and tied a new Knot with our maid Flora Ahmed who used
>to sing her Naughty-Knot Rabindra Sangeet at Chaya-Knot. Now Ullah-Knot.
Another idea:
how about nuts???
j_h...@my-deja.com
[deleted for brevity]
"A.H. Jaffor Ullah" <Jaf...@netscape.net> wrote:
Mr. Shakil Sarwar, I have all the reasons to assume that yours is also
a fictitious one. Or else you would have revealed your identity by now.
When I started writing in public forum a long time ago, I said out loud
who am I. Likewise, Jamal Hasan, Fatemolla, Narayan Gupta, Abul Kasem,
Mr. Shabbir Ahmed, Prof. Ausaf Ali, and many more secular writers have
come forward with their identity.
========================================================================
This incredible Iranian about-face!
By Abul Kasem
There are strange things happening in the Islamic
Republic of Iran where the purest brand of Islam is supposed to be
practiced. Listen to this(1), "It's my interpretation from the Koran
that all people have equal rights. That means men and women, Muslims and
non-Muslims too. And in a society where all people have equal rights,
that means all people should make decisions equally." Who said
those words? It sounds to be the holy words from the secularists/ free
thinkers/ atheists etc.... isn't it? The startling news is that these
are the words from the Grand Ayatollah Yusef Saanei, one of the
most revered clerics in Islamic Iran. Horror of horrors! He even issued
fatwas allowing abortion in the first trimester. The reasons for the
abortion can be other than due to mother's ill health or fetal
abnormalities. He even dictates that women could held any job, including
becoming an Ayatollah (for more details on this please refer to
references). These are stunning, yet unbelievable news from the clerics
who even a few years ago did exactly opposite of what they are
interpreting from the religious scriptures today. One may wonder how
come it took twenty years to discover the new meanings in the Holy
Scriptures?
Here is more by the Ayatollah(1)," But Islam is also a
religion of compassion, and if there are serious problems, God sometimes
doesn’t require his creatures to practice his law. So, under some
conditions such as parent's poverty or overpopulation then abortion is
allowed. ------it just means we are reinterpreting laws according to the
development of science-and the realities of times." Readers, please
think for a moment. Do you remember the immutability of Koran and
Islamic rules as we have been told by our Mullahs. Isn't the Ayatollah
committing an act of blasphemy? Can we not say that the clerics of Iran
were deceiving the people of Iran for the last twenty years?
Remember the US embassy attack by the Islamic fanatics
in which the embassy staff was kept as hostages for 444 days in 1979?
The mastermind of that act, Mohsen Mirdamadi has changed his
tune now-a-days. Listen to what he has to say(1). " We have always
wanted a country that had independence, freedoms and an Islamic
republic, though our emphasis originally was winning independence from
foreign influence and creating an Islamic state. But today our emphasis
is on freedoms. And now we want to be more of a republic. Our tactics
have shifted too. Before, we carried out a revolution. Today we're
trying evolution. The future now depends on what the people want, not
what a few politicians or religious leaders prefer." Does not these
words sound like the words from the politician of a democratic/secular
country like the U.S., U.K. France, etc.?
These recent happenings in Iran will soon spread
throughout the Islamic world and eventually to the entire globe. Many
Islamic countries will definitely condemn Iran for betraying Islam and I
am sure many Mullahs in other Islamic countries will start issuing
fatwas declaring the Iranian Mullahs as apostates and will seek death
sentences for them. Now, the natural question is why this sudden
U-turn by the Iranian Mullahs? There could be as many reasons as there
are Mullahs in Iran (there are 180 000 of them in Iran). I shall just
mention a few that I thought may be more compelling than the others.
Fear of counter revolution:
The bloody revolution in Iran has cost the lives of more
than 100 000 people (this includes many pregnant women and less than 14
years old girls). These people were slaughtered by the Mullahs
themselves in the name of God and religion of Islam. Many of us may
still remember those bloody and tumultuous days in the very late 79's
and early 80's when thousands of people were summarily executed by the
hanging judge Ayatollah Sadeq Khalkali. There were virtually no trials,
no defense, no formal charges. People were simply slaughtered by
accusing them of waging war on God, being the most corrupt on earth,
having connection with the great Satan (the U.S) and atheists (then
Soviet Union). It was a similar situation like Bangladesh genocide by
the Pakistan army. In the case of Iran, the murderers were their own
flesh and blood, the Iranian clerics. If we cannot forget those
bloody days of ours, how can the Iranians erase those nightmarish days
from their lives? These bloodthirsty clerics had slowly poisoned the
mind of the educated and rational thinking Iranians against Islam. Over
a period of twenty years this disdain for Islam is reaching at the grass
root level.
In today's Iran, most urban and educated Iranians
associate Islam with torture, murder, and as an instrument for the
violation of basic human rights. In fact, in an essay, Jamal Hasan(2)
writes succinctly that except for the religious bigots, Islam has become
a caricature and a pathetic word in Iran. I remember a TV interview
where an Iranian lady said that the worst of the criminal or a
murderer is better than a Mullah in Iran. Many Iranians outwardly show
religious adherence for fear of the moral Police of Islam. But in their
private lives they care very little about Islam. Many secular and free
thinking Iranians in exile are well organized now-a- days to fully
exploit the present situation. The time is gradually approaching when
the entire band of murderous Mullahs will be violently overthrown.
Lest we forget, the Mullah's are not stupid. They have a
keen foresight and can imagine the future that awaits them. Just like a
hyena, they can smell the blood in the air. This time the blood will be
theirs. The only way they can save themselves from the inevitable bloody
overthrow of their theocratic regime is to change their skin from wolf's
to sheep's. This is truly happening. News reports suggest that Russian
defense team was in Iran to talk on defense matters(3). These are
unbelievable events. Well, the most unthinkable act, that is, to shake
hands with the Great Satan (the U.S.) is not very far off, I guess. It
won’t surprise me to find the Great Satan and the Mullahs are sleeping
in the same bed soon. History has an uncanny way of repeating itself.
Why do the clerics have to turn to their greatest enemies? The answer is
quite obvious. They are desperate to quell any counter-revolution even
if that means settling old scores and making friends with the old
enemies and dismantling Islam slowly. After tasting the incredible
intoxicating effect of power for 20 years, the Mullah's simply want to
survive in a world that is increasingly turning hostile towards them.
Identification of true enemy:
The clerics of Iran are greatly disturbed and alarmed by
some of the recent developments in some Islamic countries especially in
Pakistan and Afghanistan. A few years ago, the Zia-ul-Haq
government of Pakistan decreed Quadiani Muslim group as non-Muslims.
This has opened the possibility that the Shias too, will one day be
declared as non-Muslims. In fact, the mainstream Islamists, (80%) Sunnis
will simply be too glad to welcome this declaration. The Sunnis will
then have a great opportunity to annihilate these traitors as they wish.
Many readers may recall the murder of Shia Muslims in mosques in
Pakistan. The Iranian clerics are quite aware of the possibility of
these consequences of them in the hands of the Sunnis. They will become
orphans, and with the Islamic bomb not very far away from their borders
they better run for cover. That is why they will surely shake hands with
the atheists and the infidels if need arises, no doubt about that. They
have correctly identified their true enemy; and that is Islam itself !!
They have not forgotten who gave sanctuary to Ayatollah Khomeini when he
was in deep trouble. It was the infidel France! None of the Islamic
brothers came forward to give asylum to Khomeini. Strange, isn't it? How
about the Talibans? The Iranian Mullahs are much smarter than the
Taliban Mullahs are. Why? Simply because they (the Iranian Mullahs) have
20 years of post revolutionary experience They have mustered all the
tricks of how to fool and subjugate people through terror. Yet, from
their previous terrorist activities they have also learned the bitter
truth. The truth is that the world will not condone and tolerate such
despicable actions for too long. The Iranian clerics consider the
Talibans as infantile and a bunch of fledgling gun totting goons who
will ultimately die a natural death in a short period of time. Although
disturbed by the Talibans, the clerics of Iran are not greatly scared of
them. Having said this, the Iranians are also weary of the Taliban virus
to infect them. The best antidote for this virus is to patch up with the
Russians, the greatest enemy of the Talibans. The Iranian clerics have
learned from their seven years of war with Iraq who the real enemy is!
They do not want to take a chance with the Talibans. So, the Taliban's
enemies (Russia and the Great Satan, U.S ) shall have to become their
"new" friends.
International isolation:
The world clearly remembers those days when the Islamic
terrorists from Iran were active in many countries including the West.
The Iranian Mullahs considered it their holy duty to export their
brand of revolution and Islam to every corner of the globe especially to
the Muslim majority countries like, Sudan, Bangladesh, Malaysia,
Indonesia etc., etc. I personally remember receiving many unsolicited
revolutionary letters. I do also remember how many of my female students
were terrorized until they had no choice but to wear kain tudung (hijab
or veil). If a female student dared to attend classes with the normal
every day dress, they would be harassed by these terrorists so much so
that her name will appear in posters and on black boards. She would be
called a slut, a prostitute, an evil woman and what not. What choice
these young women had under those circumstances? They had to surrender
to the threat and tyranny of those Islamic intimidators. I remember
watching posters showing Ayatollah Khomeini and his fiery fatwas which
included the annihilation of all the unbelievers and the forced
imposition of dress codes of Islam on women as well as men (keeping
beards, no tie , no shorts, no half sleeve shirts etc.). The campus
authority felt helpless on these matters and had very little choice but
to keep quiet for fear of either being kidnapped or being tortured by
the terrorists. These mindless acts of the Islamic terrorists enraged
every civilized people on earth to the extent that Iran was completely
isolated from the rest of humanity. The world learned how to live
without Iran and Iran became a pariah country like South Africa. The
clerics of Iran at first, thought that the world couldn't run without
their oil wealth. But they were gravely mistaken. The world could really
do without Iran and it's brand of Islam! Humanity started to associate
Iranian clerics with torture, murder, enslavement of women, violators
of human rights, lacking in human decency and introducing a cruel,
omnipresent, unjust Islamic tyranny. The word Mullah became one of the
most malign word to the world community (the word Taliban is now
included in the list). Many genuine and innocent Mullahs are greatly
disturbed and angered by this. Who is to blame for this? All fingers
point to the Mullahs of Iran. What happened to the great zeal and effort
to Islamise the world through Islamic Jihad and intimidation? Let us
hear from Abdol Karim Soroush(1) another former Khomeini ally. He says
"We have abandoned the export of the revolution, and now we're thinking
about the export of Islamic democracy" Unbelievable words, isn't it?
After all, now-a-days, there is the Islamic version of anything (like
Islamic food, Islamic dress, Islamic laws, Islamic marriage, Islamic
divorce, Islamic slaughter, Islamic terror, Islamic science, Islamic
technology, Islamic republic, Islamic bomb, Islamic constitution,
Islamic health , Islamic bank........you just name it, there will be a
Islamic version of it). So why not Islamic democracy? It will be
interesting to see how the Mullahs version of Islamic democracy will
look like.
Is it believable that the Mullahs have really changed
their true color so abruptly? These demagogues should never fool the
humanity. Their crocodile tears expose only one thing, their
desperation. They are simply desperate for the world community to accept
them. Most of the talented and progressive minded people of Iran have
either been killed or have left the country. Now-a-days, Iran has a
critical need for them. The Mullahs have reduced the once vibrant, rich
and fairly developed nation of 70 million Persians to to-days Iran of
fear, poverty and a Third World status. What a great achievement by the
Islamic revolution in twenty years! Twenty years is a fairly lengthy
period. During this 20 years I have seen how a tiny natural
resource-less state like Singapore transform it's status from a Third
World to the developed. However, I am yet to see any of the so called
Islamic countries been able to improve the living standard of it's
people even by a millimeter. What is the reason? Singapore is a
staunchly secular country. The Islamic countries are not. Many Muslims
including the Iranians surely have this question in their mind. Why the
immutable Islam which is supposed to be the best system on matters of
any thing and every thing have failed so miserably to deliver any
beneficial result to it's adherents? This question is more appropriate
when one realizes that Iran was really a very rich country before the
Islamic revolution, certainly richer than Singapore. Why is it a poor
country now? What answers the Mullahs have for this. They are very very
nervous. They found that while the world can manage without Iran and
it's brand of Islam, they (the Mullahs) cannot manage Iran without the
infidel world. They are in desperate need for the infidels and the
kaffirs. Now a day's they (the clerics) have very little need for Islam
and the Islamic brothers who bear no fruits!
I wonder what Ayatollah Khomeini is thinking in heaven
(he should surely be in heaven, isn’t it? Any doubt about that?) If only
could he be alive again I am certain that he will declare all these new
breed of Mullahs as apostates and possibly hang them in public square.
But I doubt that Khomeini is very much interested in Iran any more. He
must be too busy with 72 most pretty houris, and beautiful boys and with
the most exquisite drink that is reserved for people like him and for
all other Jihadis (who dies in Jihad operation) Khomeini deserves those
indulgence (haram in life on earth but halal after death) after a long
and hard struggle for the Iranians!
In 1944, George Orwell(4) wrote a book entitled 'Animal
Farm.' In that satire he exposed the true nature of revolutionary and
totalitarian leaders. The animals of a farm in England overthrew the
tyranny and exploitation of the animals by the humans through a bloody
revolution. However within a short period of time the leaders of the
revolution made friends with the human beings again to continue the
totalitarianism. Although it was a satire, this kind of unholy alliance
did really happened during the Second World War when the totalitarian
leader Stalin met with Churchill and Roosevelt in Teheran to plan the
destruction of Germany. How correct Orwell is! Shall we see the
similar alliance between the infidels and the Mullahs of Iran soon?
It is hard to believe that the days of Islamic tyranny
are about to be over in Iran? The clerics will employ any and every
trick possible to perpetuate their power base and to continue their
plunder on Iranians. They will continue interpreting Islam in any way
that suits their purposes even if that means completely reverse
meanings. One should never underestimate the shrewdness, the
cunningness, the hypocrisy, the mercilessness, the art of falsification
and the power to deceive people of these clerics. They are as ferocious
as lions, as savage as hyenas, as cunning as foxes, as poisonous as
vipers and as treacherous as chameleons are. The only language these
clerics will take heed of is the language of force and a declaration of
total war against them.
What lesson do we learn from Iran? The lesson is that a
theocratic state (purely based on religion) is a great tragedy for its
population. An Islamic state will be a sure recipe of disaster and
untold sufferings for a poverty-stricken country like Bangladesh. Let us
not be blind to this fact. We had suffered enough with the Pakistani
Islam. Let us not increase our suffering with the Bangladeshi brand of
Islam. We must accept secularism as our foundation for development,
progress and happiness.
References:
1.Robin Wright, Times staff writer; "Iran Now a
Hotbed of Islamic Reforms"; LA times, December 29,2000.
2.Jamal Hasan, "Pakistan Islam’s global ploy and
suppression of Bengali genocide tragedy"; NFB, December 15,2000.
3.Jamal Hasan; " Is it prudent for America to leave
Iran in the enemy Camp?"; NFB January 03,2001
4.George Orwell, Animal farm, Penguin classic
publication, London, UK
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Abul Kasem teaches Civil Engineering in Sidney,
Australia. His e-mail address is - abu...@hotmail.com. This essay was
published as a Feature Article in NEWS FROM BANGLADESH on January 22,
2001.
j_h...@my-deja.com
> This incredible Iranian about-face!
>
> By Abul Kasem
>
> There are strange things happening in the Islamic
> Republic of Iran where the purest brand of Islam is supposed to be
> practiced. Listen to this(1), "It's my interpretation from the Koran
> that all people have equal rights. That means men and women, Muslims
and non-Muslims too. And in a society where all people have equal
rights, that means all people should make decisions equally." Who said
> those words? It sounds to be the holy words from the secularists/ free
> thinkers/ atheists etc.... isn't it?
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ABUL KASEM COMMENTS:
Dear netters:
Did you notice that a new breed of Mullahs are developing? These
intellectual Mullahs are Western educated, are really ashamed of their
religious bigotry, tyranny, cruelty and unjust practices but have no
courage to admit and fight the religion. They are inventing a new brand
of Islam by hiding or disregarding those verses of holy scriptures which
they really know are unconscionable in light with the Western system of
freedom of expression. They want to give the impression that Islam is
very much in sympathy with the Western/secular philosophy. They are too
afraid to become a social outcast in the event that they criticise
Islam. I have seen many of these types of Mullahs in Australia. To my
mind they are the kings of hypocrates, absolutey dishonest and
intelectual frauds.
I totally agree with Ibn Warraq when he says that it is far better to
deal with the fundamentilsts than to to deal with the intellectual
Islamic hypocrates. The fundamentalists are very honest and are quite
ready to admit their mission of forced conversion to Islam with any and
all means even if that means oppression, suppression, killing
.......etc. To dealwith the fundamentalists is far simpler than to deal
with the intellecual frauds.
Best regards
Abul Kasem
j_h...@my-deja.com
Bangladesh who are devouring the nectar of secularism in America, isn't
that odd, Mr. Sarwar!!!) didn't appreciate my comments directed towards
Muslims of bangladesh. And that was precisely the reason they became
the dour critics of my article. They were not upholding the pathetic
participants of Kumbha mela, if Shakil Sawrar cares to notice.
Politics of Religious Identity
Salma Sobhan*
Executive Director
Ain O Salish Kendra, Dhaka
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"Using religion as an excuse, men have tried to dominate women. Thus, I
was obliged to enter into the fray." Rokeya Sakhawat
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If identity is defined as an awareness of self, national identity would
appear to imply the awareness of self within a defined national context.
It could also mean the use for political purposes -for exemple,
mobilization for votes- of groups of people who identify themselves in a
particular way. Identity, however, is not merely an internal awareness
of self; it also has to do with an assertion of this self to those who
are perceived as being outside this self. One aspect of this assertion
is obviously to gather to oneself those whom one sees as being part of
the corporate identity. The perception of belonging to the same can
relate to any common factor; caste, class, religion, ethnicity, and
gender are only the most obvious categories. However, there is not
necessarily homogeneity within such groups. In this context gender is of
particular interest. It is often found that those societies which most
vigorously separate themselves externally from others on any one ground
are also those in which, internally, gender segregation is likely to be
present.
There are two manifestations of religious fundamentalism in Bangladesh
-on the one hand, an orthodox or mainstream fundamentalism and a sort of
syncretic fundamentalism on the other. There is also the issue of the
politicization of religion which will need analysis. The historical
origins of all three manifestations need to be traced briefly, as well
as that of Bangladesh itself.
Historical background
While Bangladesh itself came into existence as a sovereign, independent
state only in 1971, we can trace in its various historical incarnations
the surfacing and submerging of different perceptions relating to its
identity. As part of the unpartitioned sub-continent, the area that is
now Bangladesh and was once East Pakistan was originally the eastern
wing of a large province of eastern India -Bengal. Pakistan came into
existence in 1947 when the British pulled out of India and the
sub-continent became independent and was partitioned. The national
struggle for independence from the British had originally united the
sub-continent's Hindus and Muslims, but this common goal had not proved
sufficient to keep the two communities together. Eventually a large
section of the Muslim population in India, having struggled for autonomy
within the context of an undivided India and having failed to reach
agreement with the Hindu majority on this issue, had opted to form a
separate state -Pakistan.
The formula for the creation of Pakistan, Muslim majority contiguous
areas, meant, in practice, that the state of Pakistan consisted of two
wings to the east and west of India but separated by several hundred
miles of another country. The two wings of Pakistan soon found,
therefore, that apart from religion they shared little in common.
Further, for a number of reasons the west wing of Pakistan began to
acquire dominance over the east wing. As a result the disaffected
inhabitants of the east wing were soon asserting their ethnic Bengali
identity against the predominantly Punjabi West Pakistanis where,
earlier, they had asserted their religious identity against the Bengali
Hindus. Pakistan broke up in 1971 after a bloody and bitter civil war.
The west wing retained the name Pakistan, the east wing became
Bangladesh.
The advent of Islam in Bengal
In undivided India, Islam was a newcomer. The first Muslims came to
India in the eighth century and reached Bengal in the thirteenth
century. They came to a country that had already absorbed a variety of
different beliefs and settlers.
In his study of religion and development in Bangladesh, Abecassis
reckons that in Bengal the first cultivators came from South Asia,
bringing with them not only their skills, crop cultivation and their
cattle (buffalo), but also their religious beliefs which emphasized the
cult of the dead and grove worship. In 1000 BC, when people from the
Gangetic plain began to spread into Bengal bringing with them, inter
alia, Hindu beliefs and culture, these beliefs were subsumed rather than
eradicated by them. The same happened to Buddhism nearly 1,000 years
later when it reached Bengal. Abecassis quotes Ramkrishna Mukherjee:
"Buddhism contended itself with superimposing a new religion upon the
existing tribal societiesÉ from which it did not uproot animistic
practices." Abecassis goes on to quote Maloney and others: "Thus
Brahminical Hinduism, Vajrayana Buddhism and Mahayana Buddhism from
north India and Theravada Buddhism from Burma, all mingledÉ under the
aegis of various kingdoms, while the peasant reverence for bamboo groves
and ghosts of the dead continued at the village level." He adds, "The
world view of the people at the time of the first coming of Islam was,
therefore, the result of a continuous process of conflict and
assimilation over the preceding millennia."
Various Muslim' conquistadors' slowly established their rule in India.
At the same time the religion of the conquerors was being spread by the
traders and sufis who brought Islam with them. The peculiar
configuration of Pakistan into its eastern and western wings on the east
and west coasts of northern India in testimony that Islam spread over
India less by conquest than by conversion. The Muslim rulers brought
with them an administrative system and a language, but apart from the
isolated zeal of some, for most of them it was not part of the policy to
convert the indigenous population.
The Islam that was preached by the Sufis was not orthodox. It emphasized
a spiritual union with God and did not require its newest adherents to
jettison their traditional beliefs and practice totally. Thus, in its
early days, Islam in Bengal became part of the syncretic tradition of
the area. It was only in the wake of the Islamic revivalist or reformist
movements, which started in India from the sixteenth century and spread
to Bengal in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, that the conflict
between religion and custom arose for the Bengali Muslims. And this
conflict has been truly resolved.
Gunga-Jamuna is the name given to a particular type of silverware in
Bengal. One side of the object is goldwashed, giving a lustre to the
silver and providing a pleasing contrast. The name derives from the two
mighty rivers of Bengal, the Ganges and the Jamuna. Where these two
converge it is said that the different confluences have identifiably
different colors, hence the name of the gold washed silver. The Muslim
Bengali psyche, too, can be likened to this phenomenon, for within it
Islam and customs converge and flow together like the intermingled
streams of the Ganges and the Jamuna. While these two streams contribute
to the richness of the culture, they are also the source of an
ambivalence which can, in its worst manifestations, be likened to a sort
of schizophrenia. The malaise started with the reformist movements in
Islam.
The Muslim reformist movement in Bengal
While the reformist movement in Bengal in the eighteenth century was
aimed at cleansing from the body politic of Islam the syncretic
practices it had absorbed, at the same time it had developed a very
strong class bias which contributed to the organization of the peasantry
against both the tyranny of the Hindu zamindar (landlord) and the
British colonial power. The reformers preached a return to the pristine
and austere doctrines of Islam. But while the reformers called upon
people to discard those practices and superstitions they regarded as
pagan, they did not feel it necessary (nor even desirable) to try to cut
off the masses from their ethnic roots. Haji Shariatullah (1781 to 1840)
-one of the most dynamic of these reformers- even translated the Koran
into Bengali.
The reformists tied the tenets of religious reformation to confrontation
with the Hindu zamindars whose exaction of feudal dues relating to Hindu
festivals were seen as un-Islamic by the reformers and more simply as
onerous by the Muslim peasantry. Confrontation with the British colonial
power was also part of the reformist platform, not least because it was
they who, in the interest of the regular collection of revenue had,
through legislation which turned ertswhile revenue collectors into
landlords, created this zamindar class. Thus religious identity was
strongly reinforced among Muslim Bengalis by a consciousness of their
class oppression. These two identities coexisted with and contradicted
each other, not even fusing in the later independence movement. The
momentum of the reformist movement was felt even behind the veil.
Emancipation of the Bengali Muslim Women
By the time the British had established themselves firmly in India and
had begun to allow the inhabitants of the country a voice in running it,
the Indian Muslims had dropped into second place in the race. This was
because, after the abortive war of independence in 1857, there had been
a conscious policy of discrimination against them, and also because they
remained outside the mainstream education that was necessary to join the
services of the Raj. Despite this marginalization, however, there was a
sense of complacency about the status of Muslim women. Writers like
Katherine Mayo (author of Mother India) had fostered such feelings.
Whatever might have been the theoretical basis for this complacency, it
has long been subsumed by reality.
The history of the emancipation of the Bengali Muslim women is
inadequately recorded, not only in accounts of Indian women generally
but also those of Bengali women. Reading some of these one might well
suppose that the phenomenon had bypassed Bengali Muslim women
altogether. That it did not owes not a little to the pioneering work of
a handful of remarkable women, only some of whose names are known, such
as those of Faizunessa Chowdhurani and Karimunessa Khan. There were
others whose names have not survived, such as the Muslim woman who
accompanied Miss Cook, an English social worker, on her rounds to bring
Muslim girls to school. Even among these women, Rokeya Sakhawat
Hossain's contribution is outstanding.
Rokeya Sakhawat Hossain was born in 1980, in Rangpur, a province of
North Bengal, to a middle-class Muslim family. Her father was interested
in his daughter's education, and had encouraged Rokeya in her reading.
She was fortunate in being married to an equally forward looking man,
Sakhawat Hossain, who not only encouraged her to read and to think for
herself but also encouraged her to write. Rokaya was eventually to focus
her energies on education, but she began by recounting a series of
anecdotes designed among other things to highlight the absurdity to
which observance of the institution of purdah was carried. There was a
great furor and Rokeya was, predictably, accused of being un-Islamic, of
selling out, and, of course, of being influenced by outsiders. What was
unforgivable was that all the stories she wrote were true, and drawn
from life. Rokeya, however, persevered with her writing but saw very
soon that it was the younger generation to whom she could most
successfully address herself. Accordingly she set herself the task of
founding a school for Muslim girls.
Rokeya Sakhawat never 'came out' of purdah. Widowed young, she devoted
her life to education and had a profound influence on a whole generation
of women. She remains the prototype of a devout Muslim who saw clearly
the dangers of obscurantism. About religion she said, "Using religion as
an excuse, men have tried to dominate women. Thus I was obliged to enter
into the fray." This statement remains valid today.
Once the mental breakthrough was made about education, Muslim women all
over the sub-continent were as eager as women anywhere to avail
themselves of educational opportunities which were available to them.
What died harder were social taboos. These, however, were rationalized,
and swept away by the momentum of the independence movement only to
return, unfortunately, once the game was won.
At that stage, it should be realized, both Hindus and Muslims had gone
on the defensive on the issue of the status of women. The uninhibited
social intercourse between the British men and women gave a misleading
impression about the degree to which the British woman was emancipated,
while the unequal social status of Indian women reconciled liberal
British consciences to their own presence in India. Consequently, the
women's struggle was strengthened in the wake of the national movement
for independence.
Politicization of Islam
The consciousness of the vast Muslim peasantry of Bengali had originally
been awakened by the reformists against the landlord or zamindar. This
consciousness was turned towards the cause of political liberation from
the British. The battle was fought on two fronts -not only for freedom
from the British, which as time went on became a foregone conclusion,
but also for freedom from Hindu domination. Muslim peasant against Hindu
landlord became the basis of a mobilization that merged class and
religion. Thus, during the struggle for independence from the British,
much of Muslim Bengal asserted its religious identity very strongly.
Part of this assertion was the acceptance by such Bengalis that their
language belonged to the Hindus of Bengal, though spoken by both Muslim
and Hindu Bengalis. Similarly Urdu, the vernacular of Delhi and Lucknow,
(the political and cultural center of the Mughal dynasty overthrown by
the British) was spoken both by the Hindus and Muslims of that region,
but Urdu for a variety of political reasons was espoused as the language
of the Muslims of north India. Pockets of Urdu-speaking Muslims all over
India, even south India at Hyderabad and Mysore especially tended to
reinforce this perception.
In the heyday of the Mughal Empire, Persian, the language of governance,
was used by the upper class, Hindus and Muslims alike as later English
was to be. Urdu (basically a mixture of Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian, and
Turkish) began to be seen as a survival from the days of Muslim
supremacy in India and politically sponsored as the language of Indian
Muslims. Greetings and salutations became consciously Muslim. This view
of the language was not appreciated in East Pakistan, where Bangla was
in common use. It soon became clear that keeping Urdu as the sole
national language would give powerful groups in West Pakistan an
advantage, as it was more widely spoken there. It also alienated the
Bengalis, whose mother tongue was Bangla.
Despite these efforts to bridge regional and linguistic dissimilarities,
it was not a homogeneous movement for all. The call for an independent
Muslim state, for example, was opposed by the fundamentalists on the
grounds that nationalism was un-Islamic. It is not without significance
that there was also a call for a United Bengal that would be a part of
neither India nor Pakistan.
Throughout the period between 1947 and 1971, East Pakistan was strongly
pulled by its ethnic and linguistic roots. The language movement, which
reached its culmination just five years after the creation of Pakistan,
was the most dramatic manifestation of these forces.
Notes:
1. D. Abecassis, Identity, Islam and Human Development, Dhaka,
University Press Ltd., 1990.
* Salma Sobhan, a Barrister, is currently executive director of Ain O
Salish Kendra, Dhaka.
Shomir
>
> Another idea:
>
> how about nuts???
Indeed that is a good choice! Jafforullah and Jamal Hasan are indeed driving
your burqua clad Islamic fanatic Razakars... NUTS.
Shomir
=====================
Artho-niti-bid
Shakil Sarwar:
The above pseudo named hacker is on a top ten list of the MOST
WANTED CYBER CRIMINALS by Bangladesh Intelligence. A Reward has been
posted for clues leading to his arrest and conviction (i.e. extradition
to Bangladesh) Please check the archives to learn more about this felow
who is a well known Hindooo fugitive since 1970. This individual is
responsible for spewing Anti-Bangladesh garbage for last 3 years.
> =====================
>
>
--
Ananda Lok-e, Mongol-o Aalok-e,
Ri-Doy-A, Satya Sundar-o.
-- Sir Rabindranath Tagore in "Gitanjali"
"Beauty is Truth and Truth Beauty --
That's All, Ye know on earth, and
All Ye need to know."
-- John Keats in "Ode on a Grecian Urn".
j_h...@my-deja.com
Shomir <sho...@My-dejanews.com> wrote:
Indeed that is a good choice! Jafforullah and Jamal Hasan are indeed
driving your burqua clad Islamic fanatic Razakars... NUTS.
Shomir
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RAZAKAR ETC.
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Hello there!
On January 1st,2001, I launched a new Bangladeshi site on the Internet.
That is http://www.razakar.com This site is dedicated to 1971.
If you are a Bangladeshi then, I hope you probably know who are
Razakar's. Razakar.com is a non profitable, non political effort to
make a database of all Razakar and as well as all Pakistani armies who
were against us in the great liberation war of Bangladesh in 1971.
Our previous generation did a very great job. They brought the
independence. They also prepared a list of freedom fighters. To me, this
was a mistake. In fact they should prepare a list of Razakar and punish
them. Here I tried to make a list of these animals.
I cordially invite you to visit the site at http://www.razakar.com and
contribute to build a database of Razakar's.
If you are a non Bangladeshi and not interested about Razakar's then I
apologize for the inconvenience that this mail made. This is a one time
mail. You don't need to unsubscribe.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Regards
webmaster
http://www.razakar.com
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From: "fatemolla fatemolla" <fate...@hotmail.com
To: The1971...@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [The1971Genocide] http://www.razakar.com
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:59:38 -0700
IF YOU SAW IT, TELL THEM THE NAMES BEFORE YOU DIE.
A great site, a greater effort.
fatemolla.
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From: "Prof. Shahariar Huda" <shud...@ksu.edu.sa
To: The1971...@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [The1971Genocide] http://www.razakar.com
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:03:53 +0300
Dear Friend,
As a Freedom Fighter (an officer commissioned (during Liberation War)
in 1st S.S. who served in 9 East Bengal Regiment in Kashba, K- Brigade,
No.2 Sector) I welcome your decision to create a website about Razakars.
I also agree with your view that instead of listing Freedom Fighters the
Government should have listed the Collaborators. The current exposures
in "Janakantha" is a welcome development just as your website will be. I
look forward to visiting the website.
Regards,
Shahriar Huda
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From: Rashedul C <rc...@yahoo.com
To: The1971...@egroups.com
Sent: 26/شوال/1421 08:51 م
Subject: [The1971Genocide] http://www.razakar.com
Friends,
Great site. We all should take the initiative to make this database
rich.
Regards,
Rashedul C
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From: "Fowzul Azim" <azimf...@yahoo.com
To: The1971...@egroups.com
Subject: [The1971Genocide] News item from Independent(Dhaka)-20/01/01.
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 07:12:52 -0000
Nirmul body wants trial of war criminals
by Staff Reporter
Leaders of the Ekatturer Ghatak Dalal Nirmul Committee (the committee
for annihilation of the killers and collaborators of 1971) yesterday
urged the pro-independence forces loyal to democracy, secularism to take
a fresh vow to try the war criminals.
Speaking at a rally at the foot of the sculpture, 'Swaparjita
Swadhinata' in front of the Teachers-Students Centre (TSC) of Dhaka
University, they also criticised the Awami League government for its
failure to hold trial of the war criminals, who were responsible for
slaying three million people and outraging the chastity of two lakh
mothers and sisters in 1971, even after the expiry of 30 years.
The Nirmul Committee organised the rally in observance of its ninth
founding anniversary with its president poet Shamsur Rahman in the
chair.
The rally was addressed, among others, by Barrister Shawkat Ali Khan,
Syed Hasan Imam, Golam Kuddus, Shyamali Nasreen Chowdhury and the
committee's General Secretary Kazi Mulkul, while Afzal Hossain conducted
the meeting.
Poet Shamsur Rahman said, "We are passing through a time of transition.
We hoped that the war criminals would be tried, but those on whom we
depended on for the realisation of our hope, failed to honour their
commitment".
He was optimistic that the new generation would carry forward the
movement launched nine years back by Shaheed Janani Jahanara Imam as the
movement is sure to achieve success.
Syed Hasan Imam said that those who don't want trial of the war
criminals including Golam Azam and those who organise meetings at the
same platform with him are `Razakars' (collaborators).
Barrister Shawkat Ali Khan called for imposing a ban on the fanatic
politics being pursued by the Jamaat-Shibir clique.
Deploring the recent remarks by Jamaat-e-Islami leader Maulana Delwar
Hossain Saidee that those who branded them as war criminals were
bastards, the General Secretary of Sammilito Sangskritik Jote Golam
Kuddus expressed frustration over the government's silence over the
remarks of Saidee.
Expressing deep respect to Shaheed Janani Jahanara Imam, Shyamali
Nasreen Chowdhury hoped that the torch that was lit by the great lady
would to be carried further by the new generation for making the
movement a success.
Later, a big colourful procession was brought out from the rally. The
marchers carried a big national flag, festoons and banners and marched
through Shahbagh crossing, High Court Crossing, Kadam Fountain crossing
and ended up at the central Shahid Minar.
Earlier in the morning, leaders of the Nirmul Committee laid wreaths at
the grave of Shahid Janani Jahanara Imam at the Martyred Intellectuals
Memorial (Graveyard) at Mirpur. The day's programme was followed by a
cultural show and screening of a film at the TSC in the evening.
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j_h...@my-deja.com
[deleted for brevity]
"A.H. Jaffor Ullah" <Jaf...@netscape.net> wrote:
Anyone who has sufficient gray matter can see that heydays of 'Islamic
Revivalism in Bangladesh' is over now. Long gone are Gen. Zia and Gen.
Ershad. The spigot of Middle eastern petro dollars are running dry! Who
is going to act as surrogate for Saudi regime in Bangladesh? This Tarek
Ali and Shakil Sarwar (CIA Siddiky) duo, I suppose? Instead of
loitering in the cyber space and spreading miasma, we will encourage
this duo to go to Tongi (located on the sacred Turah River) for
spreading Jihadi Islam in Bangladesh. They are indeed the disciple of
Osama bin Laden! Let this duo open a shop in Ijtema ground. That would
be fine and dandy!
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Understanding Afghanistan under the Taliban
By Kaiser Bengali
THE new UN sanctions imposed on Afghanistan show how
little the world understands the unfortunate war-ravaged country. Much
as anyone would like to think otherwise, the Taliban are firmly
entrenched and do command the support of the people.
The Afghan leadership today may consist largely of 14th
century-minded tribals, but there are significant elements within it
which are conscious of the need to reform and to be accepted by the
world.
Sanctions and missile attacks only serve to compromise
the moderates and strengthen the hardliners. It is in the interest of
Pakistan, the region and the world that Afghanistan be helped to be
integrated into the world socio-political order. The alternative is
frightening.
Afghanistan has, for over two decades now, not only
been front page news, but has been a subject of everyday household
discussion in Pakistan. The long drawn-out war in the neighbouring
country has affected almost every section of our society. On the
positive side, there is the mushrooming of Afghan restaurants and
handicraft shops; while on the negative side, there is the economic
burden, the gun and heroin culture, and the deforestation and
environmental degradation in areas inhabited by Afghan refugees.
There have also been very significant and far-reaching
domestic political impacts as well. Yet, for most of the people outside
the NWFP and northern Balochistan, Afghanistan remains a distant
country. This is true of Islamabad as well. There is little factual
information, let alone understanding, of the political processes being
played out in that country. And the educated elite has tended to
unquestioningly accept and adopt whatever stereotyping of the Afghans
and the Taliban the West has chosen to portray.
A visit to Afghanistan serves to clear, to some extent,
the misconceptions and the illusions. Landing at Kabul or any airport in
Afghanistan conveys the message, loud and clear, that one has arrived in
a war zone. Off the runway, the grounds are littered with debris of
anti-aircraft guns and planes, some burnt and charred, some partly
blown off, and others lying in various angles. Airport buildings are
pock-marked, interior furniture and furnishings have apparently been
looted, and the few international passengers are dealt with at
improvized immigration desks by officers wearing crumpled shalwar-kameez
and slippers, who make entries in registers bought in Peshawar
bookshops.
The drive from the airport to the city shows more signs
of war damage. Charred and twisted tanks, armoured cars, trucks, etc.,
litter both sides of the highway. Entering Kabul reveals the full horror
of the war. About two-thirds of the city is completely destroyed, with
about a dozen or at most two dozen buildings standing in the centre.
One can drive for miles in the city and all one can see is rubble.
Imagine driving in Rawalpindi along Murree Road and onwards to Raja
Bazaar, or in Lahore around the Assembly area along Mall Road, or in
Karachi along M.A. Jinnah Road or University Road, or in Quetta along
Jinnah Road, or in Peshawar through Chowk Yadgar or Hayatabad and every
building on either side as far as the eyes can see is a pile of
rubble. That is Kabul today.
The economy is operating in a low-level equilibrium.
One Pakistani rupee fetches over one thousand Afghanis, the Afghan
currency, and one US dollar fetches 60,000 Afghanis. Public utilities
are rudimentary. The only vehicles on the streets are taxis and
UN jeeps. The few private cars are mostly owned by Taliban officials.
Ninety per cent of shops are either boarded up or empty, apparently
looted. The Palace built by King Amanullah is also in ruins. Standing
there, one can make out where fountains and other garden adornments must
have been. Otherwise too, one can make out that Kabul was once a
beautiful city, with broad two-way roads lined by trees and green belts
and with several gardens and parks. But that is the Kabul that was.
Standing amidst the physical destruction leaves one
numb and speechless. Most painful, however, is the human destruction so
plainly visible. The number of deaths and missing run into hundreds of
thousands. But those who have survived are paying a continuing price.
The war has shattered families and destroyed lives. More than once, I
encountered old women who asked me to find sons who had been taken away
by armed men and had never returned. More than once, I had to deal with
old men who held my hand and wept because their sons had died. Standing
on a corner of the city, I lost count of the number of disabled adults
and children - some without arms, others without legs, some blind in one
eye, others blind altogether. The sight of children without both legs
crawling before you or children with one arm asking for alms is most
heart breaking.
One family of five consists of a man and four minor
children. The man is crippled on account of war wounds and cannot work.
His wife was killed. The four minor children are the bread earners of
the family. In the words of the man, sometimes they eat and sometimes
they don't. Hunger is endemic. A survey in a northern city revealed that
onefifth of households subsist largely on bread, onion soup and tea.
Over threefourths of households do not consume any meat, milk or fruits.
During the survey, enumerators reported that respondents wept when asked
how much of mutton, chicken, eggs, milk or fruit they consumed. Several
said that their children did not know what these items tasted like.
It is also common to come across mentally disturbed
people. One relatively well-dressed man blocked the way of our vehicle
and began to make a speech, as if in a public meeting. The driver had to
get out and gently nudge him out of the way. Another man was found
sitting motionless, face cradled in his right palm and legs crossed, on
a pile of rubble on a street where houses on both sides had been bombed
out. On inquiry, I was told that the house besides which he was sitting
was where he used to live with his family. While he was away, the house
had received a direct hit and the entire family had been killed. He
arrived there every morning and left at sunset.
One teenager works as a tea boy in a donor office. His
father is a professor at the Kabul University, but has not been paid the
meagre salary for months. His elder brother is an engineer, but sells
old things on the street. His sister was a final year student at the
university, but could not complete her education because of the Taliban
edict. She just sits at home, doing nothing. He himself is the major
bread earner of the family and cannot afford to go to school. He knows
that without education his future is bleak, but surviving the present
has to take precedence over the future.
The irony of the two decades of conflict in Afghanistan
is that the city of Kabul was largely intact by the time the Russians
left in 1989. The destruction was wrought on the Afghan people by the
Mujahideen commanders, the blue-eyed boys of the American CIA and the
Pakistani ISI. Driving along a road in Kabul, one is told of Hikmatyar's
control on the left side and Masood's control on the right.
Further along, there is the area under Hizb-e-Wahdat
control and so on. Different commanders controlled different areas of
Kabul, shelled each other with the heaviest weapons available, and
turned Kabul into rubble - murdering families and destroying lives. The
Mujahideen period from 1989 to 1996 is remembered by the Afghans for its
anarchy and lawlessness. Groups of armed men barging into homes, taking
away any young men or older boys with them, looting whatever caught
their fancy, and raping women was a common occurrence.
The Taliban may be the bad boys in the eyes of the West
and the drawing room liberals in Pakistan, but they have to be credited
with imposing absolute peace in the parts of the country under their
control. One may not agree with Taliban laws, but they have to be
acknowledged for instituting the rule of law. Despite widespread hunger,
robberies and hold-ups are rare. Truckers can drive from one end of the
country to another without anyone accosting them for money or any
favours. Most of all, women are safe. They can walk alone on the
streets, albeit in a burqa, without any fear of being harassed. None of
these claims can be made for the territory controlled by
non-Taliban forces. And, none of these claims can be made for any part
of Pakistan either.
For comparison again, the writ of the Taliban regime in
Afghanistan is stronger than the writ of the Pakistani state. Partly,
this is on account of the fear of the Taliban's repressive control
apparatus. Partly, however, this can also be attributed to the fact
that, unlike in the case of the Pakistani ruling elite, the Taliban
leadership is not perceived to be corrupt and living off the sweat of
the people. Their simple lifestyles and low material need threshold have
also enabled them to stand up to international sanctions and uphold what
they perceive as their national interests. Such a response is
unthinkable in Pakistan, where it is inconceivable for the ruling elite
to suffer material discomforts and where the ruling elite has routinely
compromised national interests to preserve its first-world lifestyle.
The Islamic regime imposed by the Taliban is harsh
indeed, particularly for women. In reality, however, what appears to
have occurred in Afghanistan is not Islamization but tribalization.
Prior to the war, whatever semblance of modernization there existed was
limited to the city centres of Kabul and some other big cities. The
modernized elite, who wore western dresses and sent their daughters to
universities, was narrowly centred around the royal family and the
military officer class. Outside of this island of relative modernity,
Afghanistan existed in the medieval age.
Mountain tribes had had no electricity or telephones or
known education or health facilities. In the world that they knew of,
girls never went to school and women never went to hospitals because
there never ever had been any school or clinic in their village
or in any of the villages that they knew of. When these mountain
tribesmen gained the reins of power in Kabul, they could not but impose
a social and political order that they were aware of and familiar with.
What really happened was that the Afghan hinterland arrived in and took
over Kabul. For want of an ideological platform, however, they chose the
banner of Islam.
The Taliban regime is also egalitarian in some
respects. Ministers' offices are modest and they sit on the floor and
eat like anybody else. The head of the Kabul airport commutes to work on
a bicycle, and so on. However, the egalitarianism appears to be
borne out of sheer poverty rather than conviction. This is indicated by
the fact that the Taliban have reversed the land reforms of the
'communist' era and the lands distributed to poor peasants have been
reverted to the feudal lords and tribal chiefs. For a war ravaged
country, where one in seven households does not have any adult male or
an able-bodied male, the ban on women's work amounts to condemning these
families to starvation and only betrays the Taliban's callousness
regarding the plight of the under-privileged.
The lessons for Pakistan from the Afghan experience are
profound. Afghanistan was a dual society. The elite lived comfortably
and even luxuriously. The mass of the people merely eked out a living
without any of the trappings of modern civilization. There was
a rising urban bourgeoisie, which was progressive enough to clamour for
egalitarian change; but their efforts amounted to too little, too late.
The pressures of duality fractured the society, leading to political
upheavals and war, and the consequential deaths and destruction on a
vast scale. The criminal role of the two superpowers in using
Afghanistan as their cold war battle ground and destroying at least two
generations of a part of humanity cannot be overlooked, but the internal
conditions for such a situation were provided by the Afghan ruling
classes themselves.
Pakistan is no less a dual society, with sub-layers
within each layer. Societal fault lines have primarily been created
through parallel education systems. At one end are the westernized
English-medium educated propertied class, whose lifestyles would be the
envy of any upper class family in any developed country.
This class classifies itself as 'modernized' and
encompasses the military, the civil bureaucracy, the judiciary, the
major political parties, professionals, and even the nascent NGO-cracy.
At the other end are the non-propertied Urdu-medium or
Madrassah-educated class. Both have a totally different and conflicting
world view.
While the upper elite subscribe to liberal values such
as individual rights, gender equality, etc., the Madrassah graduates
reject such liberal values and do not even subscribe to notions of
democracy or human rights.
Pakistan is not Afghanistan by any stretch of
imagination. Unlike Afghanistan, even the remotest village in Pakistan
has been exposed to elements of modernity - electricity, telephones,
schools, dispensaries, etc. The danger of a takeover by 14th
century-minded tribals is non-existent.
However, it cannot be ignored that Pakistan is also a
society fractured along multiple fault lines. The 'modernized' upper
elite is limited to E and F sectors in Islamabad and the Defence
Societies in Lahore, Karachi and Peshawar.
The 'modernized' upper elite has assured for itself the
best housing, education, health and recreation facilities. It bears only
about 15 per cent of the tax burden, which will be reduced further now
that Wealth Tax has been abolished. It has turned a blind eye
to the fact that the mass of people live in slums, suffer morbidity and
mortality on account of poor nutrition and health facilities, send their
children to worthless schools and madrassahs, if at all, and yet bear
over 85 per cent of the tax burden. That the vast hinterland of the
dispossessed Urdu-medium and madrassah-educated cadres will one day take
over the capital cities is inevitable. And one can only pray that
Pakistan never suffers the nightmare of Afghanistan.
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DAWN Essay : January 23, 2001
Shomir
Thanks for introducing the site to the people frequenting this forum.
Curiously, some very familiar names are missing. The creators of this web
site should consider listing these cyber Razakars in their master database.
These bastards are no less dangerous to the people of Bangladesh, as can be
seen from their vicious postings here and in other forums.
Shomir
==================
j_h...@my-deja.com
Shomir <sho...@My-dejanews.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Jamal Hasan
Thanks for introducing the site to the people frequenting this forum.
Curiously, some very familiar names are missing. The creators of this
web site should consider listing these cyber Razakars in their master
database. These bastards are no less dangerous to the people of
Bangladesh, as can be seen from their vicious postings here and in other
forums.
Shomir
========================================================================
[SOME POSTINGS REGARDING THE RAZAKAR WEBSITE]
From:
saleem noor <nighti...@juno.com
Reply-To:
The1971...@egroups.com
Dear Friends:
I just visited your great site and really overwhelmed. But I think along
with the name, place and present status (Alive) information it will be
worthy to get some description of the concerning Razakar's evil deeds of
past and his present position.
This great database will be useful to compile the real history of
Bangladesh and arouse consciousness to our coming generations; so, we
need to depict the real picture of Razakars and their vicious deeds of
1971. To our new and coming generations without projecting their sin and
crime no one can fathom the real meaning of Razakar! Suppose,
without projecting Abdur Rahman Bishwas' role and activity against our
country and people in 1971, his Razakar identity would not carry that
much weight. When one sees Razakar like Bishwas succeeded in Bangladesh
after his vicious role in '71 certainly that mind will feel sorry for
the country and himself and will certainly try to find out who are
responsible for this Re-Birth of Razakars in Bangladesh and become more
concern and conscious against Nobbo Razakars, who are the life force of
the original Razakars in Swadhin Bangladesh.
Regards,
Saleem Noor
^^^^^^^^^^^
Dear Friends:
In an epoch making national movement or national war whole nation gets
involve to that event directly or indirectly. The support of mass people
always recognize them as the participant of that event. In a Freedom
Fight total population do not take arms to become freedom fighter; there
are elderly people, children, women, disable etc., who can not go for
direct confrontations; but they can help Freedom Fighters by giving them
shelter, food, and information and many other ways. In our freedom fight
our total population did the same thing, and only because of that we got
our independence so quickly. So, those who were sympathized to our cause
and Freedom Fight were no less than Freedom Fighter; in their respective
areas each and every Bangali did something for his or her motherland. My
father gave shelters, money and information to FF's in Dhaka; which
enabled the FF's to accomplish their operations with perfection and
ensured their safe return; our neighbor's five college and school going
daughters supplied sweaters to FF's in early winter by knitting
themselves! Without this kind of help from silent majority a nation can
not achieve it's goal. In that sense Nation as a whole turns to Freedom
Fighter. So, there is no need to enlist Freedom Fighters separately;
rather nation, present and future generation, needs to know and
identify the real Dalaals and Traitors through a proper documentation
and listings. If we could do that in time then today most of the
Razakars, Dalaals could not wipe out their sin so easily and put a new
face to beguile us.
Most of the Razakars and Dalaals are now rejecting our charges against
them and we are failing to prove that due to lack of documentation. A
cautious leadership should distinguish Dalaals and Traitors from the
rest of the nation by listing them with the description of their sin and
crime against humanity and motherland. Traitors were very few, so, it
was easy to track down them but we did not do that.
Freedom Fighters should lauded for their great services and achievements
but it did not need to certify them in the way we did. Our one official
Gazette publication with the listings of FFs was enough to serve that
purpose.
I appreciate your initiative to launch a movement to identify and enlist
Traitors Ghatok Dalaals Rakakar Al Badars and their inhuman deeds
against Bangali nation and Humanity. It was long due but no one did it
yet. Though late but it is better "Late than Never." We need it badly
for the safeguard of our precious motherland.
Regards,
Saleem Noor
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dear Friends:
Though it is not scientific one but your Razakar poll is alarming! It
shows 50% believe that 'Razkars did the right thing!' It means this
generation does not know the real activities of Razakars in 1971 rather
what they know is totally distorted history. That's why I urged in my
previous mail to identify Razakars along with their vicious act; only
publishing or putting any name without their inhuman act can not change
the wrong impression of our new generation.
Do not make any mistake that the 50% respondent in favor of Razakars are
themselves Razakars or descendent of Razakars; rather they are our flesh
and blood; their parents were actively involved in our Mukti Judho and
were willing to destroy Khan Shena along with Razakars Al Badars in
1971! This misconception of foe and friend of '71 is very alive in our
society. Nation is evenly divided now - it is evident in today's
Bangladesh from Jatyo Shangshod to every where; that only means our
failure in projecting our cause and sufferings. In 1971 95% Bangali
believed in Joy Bangla; now almost half of the population feel comfort
with Zindabad - it's a great deviation and set back for Mukti JudDher
Chetona. Your web site can help a lot to change this direction by
depicting Razakars' real Satanic faces through reveling their crime and
inhuman acts of 1971. Golam Azam's Nurani face and Islamic utterances
are enough to beguile new generation, to them there is nothing wrong in
him. It is our Herculean task now to change that impression of 50%
Razakar sympathizers by putting his real evil face of '71 activities;
then they can understand the "Bhondami" of these traitors.
Regards,
Saleem Noor
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From:
"beady" <be...@dircon.co.uk
Reply-To:
The1971...@egroups.com
Date:
Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:06:46 -0000
It has to be considered that web polls are extremely easy to subvert.
Specially given the low level of responses, the % level can appear
alarming. I would not worry about polls at all.
I do wholeheartedly agree with the details of the case as well as some
kind of documented/referenced witnessed cross reference
Sincerely
bd
Shakil Sarwar
When I see messages like this where the coments of Abul Kasem, an
entity replete with internet/usenet/islam ignorance and communal
bigotry, are posted on the usenet through his ilk-minded proxy jamal
chacha, I feel more confident to reiterate my previous position on the
multiple fake identities of a homo sapien character named jamal hasan.
jamal chacha, you are caught in the booby trap again. I know, you like
to live in the comfort of booby trap; after all, they are soft, warm,
...
naray...@my-deja.com
again how to use properly any English word or phrase. You would be
better-off using your vernacular language, Bangla, if you are not so
sure of your command in English.
You've used the term Homo sapien in your posting that is shown down
below. In English, there is no such term call "Homo sapien." However,
there is such an entry call Homo sapiens. It is a Latin originated
word, by the way. Therefore, learn, learn, and learn.
Shakil Sarwar, you're but a very Chidra-Onneshi Bengali whose knowledge
is incomplete at best. You've abused English language far too often.
You've no right to decimate English language. Either write in
Romanized Bangla or not write at all!
Readers of this forum, please note that this pathetic character by the
name Shakil Sarwar (whose e-mail account had been frozen by the MSN
folks – this is by his own admission!!!) and his ilk are now going
overboard to create disharmony in this popular newsgroup forum. The
basic idea of this forum is to exchange information about a region.
Shakil Sarwar with his very limited knowledge in English can hardly pen
any essay. The same goes for his friends. Therefore, these fellows
have started a campaign of both misinformation and disinformation.
Fighting a war with the secular minded writers from Bangladesh in this
forum will be of no use. They should sit calmly and write articles
glorifying Islam in Bangladesh. They ought to campaign for
establishing Shariat Law in Bangladesh and to repeal the recent anti-
Fatwa verdict of HC of Bangladesh. There is so much they could do for
their cause.
Sadly, though, they won't do such a thing. They will sit next to their
PC daylong and spew venomous short paragraph here and a line or two
elsewhere in a combative manner to go after the writers who would not
conform to their lowly standard.
Shakil Sarwar is going mad because he couldn't figure out who is this
Abul Kasem. As long as Kasem is writing some good stuff, why should
one care whether he lives in Sydney or in Sylhet? Get it, Mr. Shakil
Sarwar?
An afterthought: Who would name their kid Shakil Sarwar. Go ask a
morpho-phonologist (a branch of linguistics) how difficult it is to
say -- Shhhakkil Saarwaar! The tongue has to do several twisting and
turning just to utter the name. Try this my good readers and let me
know whether I am making this up!
I hope Shakil will not kill (it even rhymes!) me for writing this.
In article <3a727968...@news.por.starwon.com.au>,
vigil...@my-deja.com
What is your secret?
You seem to be suggesting that people have to be English major for
posting in this news group. And you also think that your frinds write
only correct English. I don't think anybody needs to answer to your
humor. What is clear now is that you and your cohorts can not answer to
the subject matter of the posts here. And all you can do is to point
out to 'bad' English. I have seen another person obsessed with his
English in the newsgroups. I think the readers can judge a lot by that.
Back to the original question - what are you hiding (gupta)? Who are
you? Which of the two J's is hiding behind you? I can easily tell by
the writings, but I don't want to spoil the fun. I knew it for long
time from NFB writings. Let the readers figure out.
-Shamim Ahmed (Jhontu)
In article <94vftd$ebj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Artho-niti-bid
vigil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Back to the original question - what are you hiding (gupta)? Who are
> you? Which of the two J's is hiding behind you? I can easily tell by
> the writings, but I don't want to spoil the fun. I knew it for long
> time from NFB writings. Let the readers figure out.
>
> -Shamim Ahmed (Jhontu)
************************************************************************
Jhontu:
Let me risk a guess here. Please let the readers know at least if my
guess is wrong. I think this is our Old Pal Manic sneaking from the back
or it could be his clone Rashiduzzaman. At least that's what it seems.
-- Arthonitibid.
jaf...@my-deja.com
Jhontus of the NG is befuddled. They are saying: Wow! Who’s is this
guy? What in the world is he doing here? They should keep on
pondering till the day of Keyamat comes to figure out the mystery
behind Narayan Gupta.
The other prolific poster Mr. Shakil Sarwar is a denizen of this
newsgroup. And he knows how to answer to Narayan Gupta’s queries.
Does he really need Jhontus of the world to come forward and act as a
proxy for him?
Shakil Sarwer asked: "Who is this Abul Kasem? I am losing my sleep. I
got to know who this fella is?" Narayan Gupta says: "Don’t worry about
who he is. Pay more attention to the message leaving aside the
messenger." But that won’t do in this forum. This pseudo-Islamists
all of who attended secular schools all their life love to know in gory
details all about the personal life of their antagonists. Why? So that
they can malign a person with theirs personal vendetta. In the past
years, we have seen how the bloodletting took place in this forum in
public. CIA Siddiky started this with Wahiduzzaman. Next Harunuzzaman
became the victim. Mahmood Farooque also was mutilated by the same
abuser. Well, the buck has to stop somewhere. Siddiky’s days are on
the wane. He now hides behind some aliases. Ortho-niti-tibid? Or is
it Onortho-niti-bid? The same vile group who hardly can pen any essays
now have recruited some lieutenants by the name Shakil Sarwar, Tarek
Ali, and new comes a new dunce by the name Asif Hasan. Did the readers
see his blitzkrieg, lately? Wow! A dozen or so posting within 24
hours? That ought to be a record! Naeem Mohaiemen will be very
jealous hearing this news. I swear!!! Shall we now pass the hat. We
have to give Asif Hasan not one, but two gifts. One for being the
maniacal poster of the decade with his lightning speed. The second one
for being the most obnoxious poster. This newsgroup has not seen
anything like this before. Asif Hasan has to his credit both the speed
and mean-spiritedness. A deadly combination, I daresay! But this
could also be a sure formula for self-annihilation.
Mr. Shamim Ahmed Jhonto, a gentle reminder for you. Don’t even try to
figure out the whereabouts of Narayan Gupta. This much I can tell you
that by age he is a lot older than me, but he is young at heart. He is
one of the prolific writers of NFB. Have you read some of his funny
lampoons? Dhaka’s Daily Star has an eye on him. Just the other day
the DS published one of his articles. Narayan Gupta should be our role
model. And I’m serious now. Tell your friends to write some good
articles propounding their pet theory or ideas. Give up this art of
figuring out who is who. Leave out the personal biography of a person
and pay more attention to his message unless the person enmeshes with
the message. But you won’t find person of that stature in this
newsgroup, I swear. However, if you are desperate to know your
adversaries then open up by telling others who you are and what you do
to make ends meet. Only then others will open up. But, you see,
communication is a two-way street. You can’t ask someone to tell us
every bit about them while hiding your identity under a nom de plume.
That seldom works.
In article <94vhhg$flr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
vigil...@my-deja.com wrote:
asad...@my-deja.com
I found the following definitions of Hypocrisy from Shetubondhon. I
thought these appropiately depict the Mir Jafforian Hypocrisy:
Subj: [Shetubondhon] Order of the Day: I am a Hypocrite!
Date: 1/28/01 9:33:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: ah...@fk.um.edu.my
Reply-to: Shetub...@yahoogroups.com
To: Shetub...@yahoogroups.com (Management)
Hai People!
Who can afford to declare oneself "hypocrite"? I dare to brand me using
this "lovely" word.
Actually, I:
# pretend to be a very good democrat, but cannot tolerate any
opposition.
# pretend to be a humanist, but don't care to order killing anybody on
my way.
# pretend to be a good religionist but happy to cheat anybody.
# pretend to be a good secularist but cannot tolerate any religious
people.
# pretend to do everything for common people, but intend to suck the
last drop of their blood.
Thanks guys. You can see me everywhere.
shamsuddin ahmed
In article <9503ao$t90$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Shakil Sarwar
>RAZAKAR ETC.
> Hello there!
>
>On January 1st,2001, I launched a new Bangladeshi site on the Internet.
>That is http://www.razakar.com This site is dedicated to 1971.
>
>If you are a Bangladeshi then, I hope you probably know who are
>Razakar's. Razakar.com is a non profitable, non political effort to
>make a database of all Razakar and as well as all Pakistani armies who
>were against us in the great liberation war of Bangladesh in 1971.
>
>contribute to build a database of Razakar's.
>
> http://www.razakar.com
web master (is that my dear and near jamal chacha?) how are you? long
time, no see.
chacha, it sounds kinda weird that razakar.com is being hosted by
non-razakars! Even adu bhai-type common sense dictates that proud
razakars will host a website with that kinda domain name to express
their views on the cyberspace, build a database of their own and
promote their agenda. chahca, what's the scoop here?
Shakil Sarwar
wrote:
>Just for a clarification, here are the aliases razakar Tarok mian uses or
>used to:
>
>1) Shamim Ahmed (When a student in New England)
>2) Jhontu (When a student in New England)
>3) Prof. Sharif. Islam (Now a CA resident)
>4) Tarek Fazle Ali (Used to be a MA, New England account)
>5) KGazi (This is his new - a CA account)
>6) Traveler (AOL free account, possibly used up, but will not be surprised
>to see it resurface again)
>7) Laboom (AOL free account, possibly used up, but will not be surprised to
>see it resurface again)
Where is the proof? ip addresses, please?
Shakil Sarwar
<Jaf...@netscape.net> wrote:
>Mr. Shakil Sarwar, are you very much perturbed because both Jamal and I pen
>articles not to your taste and temperament? Too bad, huh! Why do you bad
>mouth NFB so often?
Why are you disturbed so much when you are criticised for your
'original', 'full-length' and 'mind-boggling' articles? Is it because
the criticisms are not to your liking? Too, bad; you have grown old,
but still haven't mutured enough to behave like an adult. It is my
right to criticise anybody and anytime I want -- be it nfb or
hypocrites like you. Thinking about defamation lawsuit for that? You
have my blessing. Make sure, you save this post. This will come handy.
I already stated in another thread as to why I loathe nfb:
In article <3a56b21b...@news.por.starwon.com.au>,
shakil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Unlike most other news media on the internet, NFB is not just an
electronic news outlet -- it is a views outlet too -- openning the
floodgate for dissemination of propaganda primarily by its editors and
their ilks which had been their original game plan. News coverage is
basically used as a camouflage. The real intention is to promote their
vested interest/agenda and make enough money to pay for the cost of
hosting (through setting up of a commercial company by the name
Amitech) the website. At present, money seems to be coming from
hosting Muktakantha and Independent, and the ads appearing on its
website. Despite tall claims, NFB is yet to attract any ad of
international reqpute. That tells a volume about its popularity or
acceptance among the international community. ...
Here is what tarek ali had to add to that:
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:46:29 GMT, tare...@my-deja.com wrote:
Thanks for the post Shakil. And Asif Hasan deserves credit for his
excellent article. But I think Asif just wasted his time on this fella
Ullah. He does not deserve such attention. Nobody but the Haffor
himself thinks of him as a scholar. All he writes are third class
articles with a very biased viewpoint, and resorts to all kind of
lying and misquotaion. Educated Bangladeshis know fully well who and
what this Jaffor guy is. Failing to make any contribution in his own
field, he is now out to prove his 'value' by writing garbages through
his pet forum NFB. He and his cohort pal Jamal Hasan have selected
Islam as their main target and their mission is to detach the
Bangladeshis from Islamic values. Ironically, the result is just
getting opposite - the more they write their hate articles against
Islam, the more the Bangladeshis are clinging to Islam. In fact the
Hamal guy actually is so frustrated that he is cursing the expatriate
Bangladeshis for becoming more devout Muslims in his recent articles.
These articles almost read like an outburst of a mental patient who
can not make people behave in his way.
People by now know very well about the Jamal and Jaffor duo (and their
innumerable ghost identities) in the cyberworld. They just do the
right thing - ignore them. I wrote some time ago that NFB is a bogus
forum with cut-paste news from other e-papers on the net. Mainly they
focus on anti-Islam propaganda there like some other Indian Hindu
websites (example JaiMaharaj). And people have stopped visiting the
site for long time now. It is now reduced to a private forum for
people like Jaffor and Jamal and some of their comrades only to write
lies and misinformation about Islam and Bangladesh. They might as well
introduce password for enetring the site, nobody would feel the
difference. Tanvir Chowdhury, who is probably coughing the bills for
this website, is a lazy person who is snoozing (or who knows what
else) and gave a psycho like Jaffor the charge of the NFB. He does not
even bother to check what goes on there. I doubt if he ever reads the
NFB himself. Bangladeshis on the net fortunately have recognized the
true face of Jaffor-Jamal duo and have rejected NFB altogether. ...
TA
>You didn't reply to my
>letter by saying that you cannot access your hotmail.com. You're admitting
>though that you've done some grievous mistakes and because of that the MSN
>folks have frozen your account. I never wrote to hotmail.com folks
>complaining about you. You're admitting that you've broken your promise to
>MSN folks by sending hate mails or else how could they possibly froze your
>account.
Look, bozo, it hardly matters to me whether I can access my hotmail
account or not. I saved all the messages before they made it
inaccessible. I neglected to read their usage policy in its entirety.
As such, I don't have any complaints against them. I have integrity in
my character which you and your cohorts lack. As such, before changing
my user-id in this forum, I cared to let others know so that shrewd
people like you don't start accusing me of assuming multiple
identities of which hypocrites like you are notorious for. Even after
I stripped you off your chameleon characters, you continue to roam in
scb shamelessly. How low can you come down to? It doesn't surprise me
that shameless chaps like you won't care about dignity or humility.
Hotmail's action did not cost me anything. I can create hundreds of
virtual accounts by re-visiting hotmail website; they can't prevent me
from creating hundreds of accounts. Besides, there are hundreds, if
not thousands, of websites in the internet today that let anybody open
web-based email accounts for free.
>You still take snipe at Jamal Hasan and me for
>no good reason. Keep on foul-mouthing other fellow netters and you will be
>ostracized very soon from other network. Not a good track record, huh?
Readers of this newsgroup have already come to know about the vile
characters like you and jamal. I have already propounded tons of
documented evidence to substantiate my allegations. Readers are
well-aware that I take jabs against any hypocrites for good reasons.
What kind of records has been set by you after I exposed two of you in
front of the netters. And I haven't finished doing what I want to do
finally. Keep your fingers crossed.
>I see you've decided to wage one-man-Jihad against the writers who publish
>in NFB. Did you ever try to submit original articles to NFB? When?
Don't you feel ashamed to ask that kind of question? Since when nfb
instituted a policy that articles have to be original in order to
merit publication in nfb? When I submitted an excerpt from sri, how
come it was published in nfb despite the fact that it was not written
by me. When I submitted the following article, why wasn't it published
in nfb - touted to be the bastion of free speech?
In article <3a56b21b...@news.por.starwon.com.au>,
shakil...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I am sending this mail to NFB as well to see if it gets published. Another
>> litmus test for NFB. Keep your fingers crossed for update.
Just to update the readers, my article has not been published in NFB
(claimed as 'the most sought after news daily in the cyber space' by
Ullah) as of today. And I don't expect that it would be published any
time soon. Yet it was Ullah who boasted in scb that NFB is the bastion
of free speech, and tried to pull our legs to quit scb and join his
bandwagon. Hypocracy at its best!!!
>Through your recent postings I learned that you are too eager to know the
>identity of Mr. Mohammad Nawaz Khan. Mr. Shakil Sarwar, I have all the
>reasons to assume that yours is also a fictitious one. Or else you would
>have revealed your identity by now.
Show me proofs with ip addresses.
>If you want to establish a healthy dialogue with Bangalee secularists
>without having to utter a single word of denigration, slender, slur, or
>traducement then first tell us who you are. Is it much too much to ask this
>favor from a person like you?
hey, you don't have to beg like that and stoop yourself down to my
knees for my identity. I have to question the well-being of your
mental health should you are still in doubt as to my identity. From
shakil...@hotmail.com I reincarnated myself as
shakil...@my-deja.com. But you single-handedly managed multiple
virtual fake identities like, abul hasanath, narayan gupta, etc. Quite
a feat but utterly deplorable, to say the least. Is it too much of a
asking to ask you to stick to one identity -- the one and only ullah?
>The Bangla adage - "Brikkhe'r Porichoy Foley"
>will hold true if a negative answer comes out of your mouth!
I have already shown what kind of fruit you are. Aren't you ashamed of
now? Time for a deep dip in the chilly waters of the ganges to wash
away the sins? Hypocrite Dalai Lama was *hit-scared of chilly waters.
Are you too? Say, yes.