I condemn BNP for rampaging Shahid Minar on 21st February
Rinku Anisuzzaman
>I cannot believe they really did this. Begum Kahleda Zia was present
>there .
why not? this is not hard to belive at all. This type of barbaric
behavior is becoming the norm as ive mentioned before.
>WHile thousands of people were paying homage to the martyrs, thugs and
>hooligans of BNP stormed in and tore off flower garlands on the Shaheed
>Minar.
This type of behavior is a disgrace
>I condemn this dastardly act with all my passion.
I second the condemnation, now lets see if Khalida Zia does the same.
Rinku Anisuzzaman,columbus,ohio
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Please see Calcutta Online news for 22nd February.
I cannot believe they really did this. Begum Kahleda Zia was present
there .
WHile thousands of people were paying homage to the martyrs, thugs and
hooligans of BNP stormed in and tore off flower garlands on the Shaheed
Minar.
I condemn this dastardly act with all my passion.
Shoumyo Dasgupta.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
Achcha Shoumyo'babu apni porlen kothay bolun to?
Ami to koyek gonta dhore chesta kore jachchi Calonline'ke contact korar
kintu kono jobab nei. Oder site down.
Galagali diye chithi'o dilam kintu kono reply nei. E shob lokgulo eto
kandogyanhin je bolar noi. Apnara jodi kichchu korte paren sommilito
bhabe to amay janaben. Eta iyarki noi je betara ekta site thik moton
kore maintain korbe na. Bochchorer modhey ordhek somoy oder site bondho
thakbe.
Jai hok dekhun apnara.
Subho.
Dr. Subho Mozumdar
Jodi eta hoye thake tobe seta sotiyi nindinio.
Kobe je amader Desh'er lokera shobhyota shikbe seta janina.
Political o personal byaparguloke soriye kobe je brihottoro dikgulor
dike amader Desh'er sadhoron jonogon dristipath korbe seta amra keu'i
janina.
Amar mone hoi sadhoron gonotantro noi, kichchu ekta amul poriborton asha
dorkar, tobe ei sob antisocial'der activity gulo ektu kombe.
Subho.
Ihtisham Kabir
Any idea what - if anything - triggered this?
- I.
Kalam
Ihtisham Kabir wrote:
>
> Any idea what - if anything - triggered this?
>
> - I.
Mr. Kabir,
I have been trying my best to make a sense of this news item and try to
find its authenticity. The person who posted the news item quoted
Calcutta on Line as the source. The same person had vented his anger and
hatred based on the news item. This type of news item is nothing but a
deliberate attempt to a smear campaign by blind supporters of certain
kind. Why would a party leader let its own party supporter spoil a
meeting held by the same party? Why is that only one source is reporting
such incident? Let us be aware of people who are trying fool everyone
else for propagating their own views.
Regards.
Kalam
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Dear Mr. Kalam:
I am an Indian citizen and both AL and BNP are irrelevant to my
political ideology.
The question of "venting my hatred", therefore, does not arise.
I happen to be an Indian Bengali with roots in Bangladesh who loves
Bangladesh and its people. It is painful to see such stupid activities
(as reported) tarnish the image of my own people.
Shahid Minar is a holy symbol. A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and
love. Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
vilify it's premises.
Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
have any stake in that.
Again, while it is common knowledge that a certain religious community
has a bias toward AL in Bangladesh, Indians do NOT express any
inclination one way or the other. Speaking logically, if anything,
they'd probably be against AL these days because they lost some of their
(wrongfully) held water from the Ganges!
Regards, and I hope I was able to explain,
Shoumyo Dasgupta.
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <3310B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Dear Mr. Kalam:
>
>I am an Indian citizen and both AL and BNP are irrelevant to my
>political ideology.
** Why are all your posts pro AL..
>
>The question of "venting my hatred", therefore, does not arise.
** As far as I know you are a part of the so called "me, WB brahmin we
know what is good for bangalee.." who usually front for AL and the the
umbrella of secularism .. HAHAHAHA
>
>I happen to be an Indian Bengali with roots in Bangladesh who loves
>Bangladesh and its people.
** You are an indian bangalee not a Bangladeshi. Therefore why is this "
Ma ar thaka mashir dorod bashi '
It is painful to see such stupid activities
>(as reported) tarnish the image of my own people.
** What ever was done by a Bangladeshi to a Bangladeshi, how does it
** tarnish the image of your indian bangalees.... ?????????????
** "painful to see " if it is so painful get some advil and stop freaking
** complaining...
>
>Shahid Minar is a holy symbol.
** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
** it. Ara Dada give me a freaking break..............................
** Shahid Minar is not a holy symbol. It is simply a symbol of bangladesh
** march toward independence which started in 52 and culminated in 71.
** If we want to tample on it with our dirty shoes we will........
** Who the hell are you to say what is right or wrong....
** ( Get the extra strength advil, by will need it)
>A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and love.
** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
** minar premises. Next time I will keep a look out on their activities..
**
>Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
>vilify it's premises. ^^^^^^
** oh really, and how are you going to stop it.
** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
** where only men with bare feets can go..
** I donot know ,you want to try that, maybe look into holy books or
** would be a hell lot better than any expalnation that you gave
previuosly.
>
>Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
>toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
>have any stake in that.
** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
** morons something just like you .. ( ara dada rag korlan, who gives a
** rat's ass) who think they alone know what is right. " Amrada
** Part of their elitist attitude. Elite my foot, calcutta is a sewer
** and west bangalees are 50 years behind us... go figure....
>
>Again, while it is common knowledge that a certain religious community
>has a bias toward AL in Bangladesh, Indians do NOT express any
>inclination one way or the other.
** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
** Hats off to any one who can prove otherwise...
>Speaking logically, if anything,
>they'd probably be against AL these days because they lost some of their
>(wrongfully) held water from the Ganges!
** Please stop , you are making me cry..... all the suffering of the
**indian bangalees for us wreteched ungrateful Bangladeshi ..
** I cannot take it any more take back the damm water we are drowning
** in the tears of WB poor people...
>
>Regards, and I hope I was able to explain,
>
>Shoumyo Dasgupta.
the big bad wolf
wolf's lair
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Khondokar:
Tell me one thing.
Were you born after 1971 ?
Just curious.
Shoumyo.
Snehasis Ganguly
Dr. Subho Mozumdar (smo...@research.umbc.edu) wrote:
: Achcha Shoumyo'babu apni porlen kothay bolun to?
: Subho.
Emon ekta site chai, jeta konodin bhange na
Je site-er dant nei, aashbena kamrate
Emon ekta site chai, jetai ghotona hobar agei news ashbe
Je site-e loke deiana gali, je site makhai n amukhe kaali
Emon ekta site chai, jekhane sobai chat korte paarbe
Je site-ete kotha phurobe na, phurobe na content
Emon ekta site chai, jekhane thakbe java shoundarjyo
Je site-ete matribhumir mati pawaa jabe,je site shonar phosol
Denis Wright
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
> Shahid Minar is a holy symbol. A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and
> love. Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
> vilify it's premises.
Surely the first question here is - what really happened, if anything,
at the Shahid Minar to provoke such a report?
There must have been thousands of witnesses and surely some independent
newspaper reports. If this is a lie, it should be exposed. If it is
true, then everyone is entitled to know the circumstances. If it is
half-true then everyone is entitled to know which half it is that's
true. Right now there must be a lot of people, including me, who are
very confused about it all.
Denis
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Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <3311D9...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Khondokar:
>
>Tell me one thing.
>Were you born after 1971 ?
>
>Just curious.
Actually not just curious, you were trying to connect me to post
liberation bangladeshis who in your eyes are not imbued with the same
sense of identity or value....
>
>Shoumyo.
Look , I donot tell you what is right or wrong when some jack ass pisses
on rabi tagore grave . It occurs in WB is none of my business. I donot
pass comments on it. I basically donot care .....
It is interesting to see after hasina ands AL comes to power how all these
Wbs are suddenly overflowing with bangla emotion and suddenly this talk of
banglas unifying.
This is nothing but grabage, you donot give a shit about bangladesh , if
you would not have left it in the first place. The brahmins donot love
anybody (including the other caste hindu) except themselves.
So stop this crocodile tears !!!!!
Otherwise go fuck a rat or something....
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
Khondakar M Mostafa (kmms...@pitt.edu) wrote:
: >
: >Shoumyo.
: Look , I donot tell you what is right or wrong when some jack ass pisses
: on rabi tagore grave . It occurs in WB is none of my business. I donot
: pass comments on it. I basically donot care .....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Points:
~~~~~~~
1. Rabindranath was cremated. So there is no grave.
2.Please tell us who is or was the jack ass or when did he piss and on what.
It takes one to know one.
3. I can understand that you do not care about
WB, about Bengalis who are not Bangladeshi citizens and about may be 2000
other things. However I find it extremely curious that you tell others
that they should not care about what happened in Shahid Minar.
: It is interesting to see after hasina ands AL comes to power how all these
: Wbs are suddenly overflowing with bangla emotion and suddenly this talk of
: banglas unifying.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The talk of Banglas unifying was always there. I don't see any need/scope
for political unity in near future. I want more cultural exchange, easier
travel arrangement and a more relaxed visa requirement between two
countries. I want to see Bangladeshi magazines on the stalls of Calcutta.
: This is nothing but grabage, you donot give a shit about bangladesh , if
: you would not have left it in the first place. The brahmins donot love
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Partition was a trajedy. So don't make a careless statement about it.
: anybody (including the other caste hindu) except themselves.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is very instructive that how communalists of all hues make the same
statement. Your above statement, mutatis mutandis, is also a
characteristic BJP/RSS posture.
: So stop this crocodile tears !!!!!
: Otherwise go fuck a rat or something....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I applaud your sense of brilliant humour.:))
--
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
Shabbir A. Bashar
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
>toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
>have any stake in that.
>Shoumyo Dasgupta.
Dear Mr Dasgupta,
Your hatred or love for Bangladeshis is of less consequnce to me than the
serious allegations that were suggested by your unquoted refernce to a
news article allegdly published in Calcutta Online.
Before I take a decisive stand for or against your efforts, may I invite
you to be kind enough to post an exact copy of the alleged text from the
WWW site. You see, I'm having some difficulty accessing the site.
Secondly, I have read two Bangladeshi newspapers (dated 21st Feb 1997)
which had, as expected, extensive coverage on the activities of the
the president, the government and opposition on the occassion of our
National Martyrs Day - Amar Ekushey. It may be of interest to you and
others to note that I found no article which reported on any incident
which vaguely corraborate the alleged claim.
I do not regard party politicisation of a National Day or its upstaging
by any party as something light - provided indeed such an incident did
take place. Similarly, posting deliberate and calculated yet
unsubstantiated allegations to precipitate a smear against any individual,
party or movement is nothing but cowardice.
I hope you'll understand my reservations and furnish a plausible
explanation - or at the very least post the quote I asked for earlier.
Many thanks in advance.
--
Shabbir A. Bashar
Centre for Optics & Electronics, King's College London
E-mail : S.Ba...@kcl.ac.uk
http://coe1.eee.kcl.ac.uk/usr/shabbir/banglads.htm
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Actually, much to my surprize, I did not find anything in the BD online
newspapers either. I am wondering why this news made the headline on
22nd February issue of Calcutta Online (and, subsequently, made me and
many others emotionally upset).
Also, after talking to my friends in Dhaka over telephone (Bhorer Kagoj,
and people who support BNP, AL, and BCP), I found out that this is a
REGULAR incident now in Bangladesh: sometimes AL does it, sometimes BNP,
etc. This kind of regularity has lessened the shock-value of the act. I
was told that every year, cadres of all these parties fight to get the
picture of their leader at a higher level in the Minar.
So, since my condemnation appears to be motivated against BNP ONLY, let
me retract and say that if ANY party, be it AL or BNP or JP or whatever,
ever insults the language-martyrs and the Shahid Minar, I will condemn
such activities with all my passion.
It is an abominable act, and I will continue to condemn it.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Saif Ahmed
Absolutely brilliant. Now this is the type of person I want
representing Bangladesh. A blind and loyal supporter of a political
party (of course no one supports Bangladesh, just AL or BNP or
Jamaat). A hater of all religions other than what he believes to be
Islam. Someone not afraid to use whatever language necessary to make
his point.
kmms...@pitt.edu (Khondakar M Mostafa) writes:
> In article <3310B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
> Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Kalam:
> >
> >I am an Indian citizen and both AL and BNP are irrelevant to my
> >political ideology.
> ** Then why the hell are you lurking in this newsgroup.
> ** Why are all your posts pro AL..
>
> >
> >The question of "venting my hatred", therefore, does not arise.
> ** As far as I know you are a part of the so called "me, WB brahmin we
> know what is good for bangalee.." who usually front for AL and the the
> umbrella of secularism .. HAHAHAHA
>
> >
> >I happen to be an Indian Bengali with roots in Bangladesh who loves
> >Bangladesh and its people.
> ** You are an indian bangalee not a Bangladeshi. Therefore why is this "
> Ma ar thaka mashir dorod bashi '
>
>
> It is painful to see such stupid activities
> >(as reported) tarnish the image of my own people.
> ** What ever was done by a Bangladeshi to a Bangladeshi, how does it
> ** tarnish the image of your indian bangalees.... ?????????????
> ** "painful to see " if it is so painful get some advil and stop freaking
> ** complaining...
> >
> >Shahid Minar is a holy symbol.
> ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
> ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
> ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
> ** it. Ara Dada give me a freaking break..............................
> ** Shahid Minar is not a holy symbol. It is simply a symbol of bangladesh
> ** march toward independence which started in 52 and culminated in 71.
> ** If we want to tample on it with our dirty shoes we will........
> ** Who the hell are you to say what is right or wrong....
> ** ( Get the extra strength advil, by will need it)
>
> >A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and love.
> ** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
> ** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
> ** minar premises. Next time I will keep a look out on their activities..
> **
> >Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
> >vilify it's premises. ^^^^^^
> ** oh really, and how are you going to stop it.
> ** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
> ** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
> ** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
> ** where only men with bare feets can go..
> ** I donot know ,you want to try that, maybe look into holy books or
> ** would be a hell lot better than any expalnation that you gave
> previuosly.
> >
> >Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
> >toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
> >have any stake in that.
> ** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
> ** morons something just like you .. ( ara dada rag korlan, who gives a
> ** rat's ass) who think they alone know what is right. " Amrada
> ** Part of their elitist attitude. Elite my foot, calcutta is a sewer
> ** and west bangalees are 50 years behind us... go figure....
> >
> >Again, while it is common knowledge that a certain religious community
> >has a bias toward AL in Bangladesh, Indians do NOT express any
> >inclination one way or the other.
> ** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
> ** Hats off to any one who can prove otherwise...
>
>
>
> >Speaking logically, if anything,
> >they'd probably be against AL these days because they lost some of their
> >(wrongfully) held water from the Ganges!
> ** Please stop , you are making me cry..... all the suffering of the
> **indian bangalees for us wreteched ungrateful Bangladeshi ..
> ** I cannot take it any more take back the damm water we are drowning
> ** in the tears of WB poor people...
> >
> >Regards, and I hope I was able to explain,
> >
> >Shoumyo Dasgupta.
>
>
>
> the big bad wolf
> wolf's lair
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Naeem Mohaiemen
Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
> So, since my condemnation appears to be motivated against BNP ONLY, let
> me retract and say that if ANY party, be it AL or BNP or JP or whatever,
> ever insults the language-martyrs and the Shahid Minar, I will condemn
> such activities with all my passion.
Well said.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Naeem Mohaiemen
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
> ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
> ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
> ** it.
I condemn this anti-Hindu bigotry. Why are other Bangladeshis silent?
Would you find this acceptable if he wrote:
"Another freaking Black thinking with his.."
OR
"Another freaking Muslim thinking with his.."
OR
..
> ** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
> ** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
> ** minar premises.
> ** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
> ** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
> ** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
> ** where only men with bare feets can go..
If others made jokes about our religious figures, we would not find it
acceptable.
Why are anti-Hindu jokes acceptable to us? Why is everyone silent?
> ** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
> ** morons something just like you ..
1) Calcutta Online is a new Web site. As far as I could tell, it has no
print version.
2) Shoumyo & others from West Bengal have written repeatedly in the past
condemning the communal character of Anandabazar
> ** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
Even if they do only support AL, why is anti-Hindu bigotry justified?
> the big bad wolf
No, you're a stupid wolf. With the same bhanga-record of communal,
anti-Hindu, anti-minority venom every time something disagrees with your
political philosophy.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Rinku Anisuzzaman
>Shoumyo Dasgupta wrote:
>Well said.
As ive said before, is this is true, then its disgraceful behavior...but
ive been thinking...how is it that gundas are allowed to get past security
that surly was present during Hasinas speech?....what is the source of the
article about the incident? -----Rinku Anisuzzaman,columbuz,ohio
Rinku Anisuzzaman
>I condemn this anti-Hindu bigotry. Why are other Bangladeshis silent?
I second the comdemnation..ignorance and hate will get us nowhere
>Would you find this acceptable if he wrote:
>"Another freaking Black thinking with his.."
hell no
>"Another freaking Muslim thinking with his.."
>OR
hell no
>If others made jokes about our religious figures, we would not find it
>acceptable.
very true
>Why are anti-Hindu jokes acceptable to us? Why is everyone silent?
what do you mean "us"? They are certainly not acceptable to me.
---Rinku Anisuzzaman,columbuz,ohio
M. Harun uz Zaman
Mr. Mostafa:
I have the following questions for you.
1. Are you a genuine communal bigot or you enjoy acting like one?
2. Why is it wrong for Shoumyo Dasgupta or anyone else from *any*
country to post on some issue about BD if it has some interest
for them?
3. I never saw Shoumyo Dasgupta post anything that was offensive or
disrespectful toward BDesh.
Then, why is all this renting and raving about "we brahmins know
what is good for you" crap?
4. Is it OK for me to post on soc.culture.canada on some event
that occurred in Canada if the event involved (i) Bangla
and/or (ii) Islam? Is it OK for YOU to do the same?
As far as the incident goes, I think it is part of BDeshi political
culture, and something that needs to be addressed. I do not
think BNP, AL or any political party would intentionally commit
acts of rowdyism on the Shahid Minar. Before I find more info,
I would reserve my comments.
Looking forward to your colorful reply. : - )
Best wishes.
M. Harun uz Zaman, Ph.D.
The Ohio State University
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
> In article <3310B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
> Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Kalam:
> >
> >I am an Indian citizen and both AL and BNP are irrelevant to my
> >political ideology.
> ** Then why the hell are you lurking in this newsgroup.
> ** Why are all your posts pro AL..
>
> >
> >The question of "venting my hatred", therefore, does not arise.
> ** As far as I know you are a part of the so called "me, WB brahmin we
> know what is good for bangalee.." who usually front for AL and the the
> umbrella of secularism .. HAHAHAHA
>
> >
> >I happen to be an Indian Bengali with roots in Bangladesh who loves
> >Bangladesh and its people.
> ** You are an indian bangalee not a Bangladeshi. Therefore why is this "
> Ma ar thaka mashir dorod bashi '
>
> It is painful to see such stupid activities
> >(as reported) tarnish the image of my own people.
> ** What ever was done by a Bangladeshi to a Bangladeshi, how does it
> ** tarnish the image of your indian bangalees.... ?????????????
> ** "painful to see " if it is so painful get some advil and stop freaking
> ** complaining...
> >
> >Shahid Minar is a holy symbol.
> ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
> ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
> ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
> ** it. Ara Dada give me a freaking break..............................
> ** Shahid Minar is not a holy symbol. It is simply a symbol of bangladesh
> ** march toward independence which started in 52 and culminated in 71.
> ** If we want to tample on it with our dirty shoes we will........
> ** Who the hell are you to say what is right or wrong....
> ** ( Get the extra strength advil, by will need it)
>
> >A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and love.
> ** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
> ** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
> ** minar premises. Next time I will keep a look out on their activities..
> **
> >Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
> >vilify it's premises. ^^^^^^
> ** oh really, and how are you going to stop it.
> ** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
> ** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
> ** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
> ** where only men with bare feets can go..
> ** I donot know ,you want to try that, maybe look into holy books or
> ** would be a hell lot better than any expalnation that you gave
> previuosly.
> >
> >Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
> >toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
> >have any stake in that.
> ** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
> ** morons something just like you .. ( ara dada rag korlan, who gives a
> ** rat's ass) who think they alone know what is right. " Amrada
> ** Part of their elitist attitude. Elite my foot, calcutta is a sewer
> ** and west bangalees are 50 years behind us... go figure....
> >
> >Again, while it is common knowledge that a certain religious community
> >has a bias toward AL in Bangladesh, Indians do NOT express any
> >inclination one way or the other.
> ** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
: Most Bangladeshi who have lived, grew up and studied in Bangladesh have a
: wholly different attutude toward life than the so called " elites". At
: least to me and probably to a bunch of others Ershad and Hasina are
: monsters. I still remember those days in college , every few month we
: would be ordered out of our dorms at 3 O'clock at night and stand in
: freezing cold till the next morning to catch a bus home. And of course
: what your friend here does is hob nob with ershad in his poetry festival
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Ever heard of the phrase " Nero fiddles while rome burns".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Who hob-nobbed with Ershad in poetry festival-Shoumya, Soumitra, Naeem-who?
: As for the anti hindu bigotry, I can state this, it is much more anti
: brahmin and anti elitest than it is anti hindu. As for hindus getting
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nevertheless your post used vulgur language against Hindu symbols. You of
course have every right to use vulgur language against Hindu
symbols-after all thats what freedom of speech is all about. I also hope
that you agree that Salman Rushdie has a similar right to name
prostitutes in his novel after the wives of the Prophet.
: offended, you see no matter how much I try I cannot offended them enough,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Freedom of speech is of course about freedom to offend. Just come out and
say so. Also I hope that you accept the corresponding rights of
anti-Muslim bigots to trash Muslim symbols.
: at least not as much as a brahmin who says to a fellow hindu " you are not
: as good as I am becasue I come from a higher caste, so go clean the
: toilets". Can any one tell me how to top that. Than of course "these
: wreteched people cannot pray to the gods themselve, change occupation, or
: even sit with the so called higher caste, any male stupid enough to marry
: a higher caste woman, has his limbs crushed and thrown in the fire and his
: father hacked to death ". Now tell me how I can beat that................
: If I had a heart of ice I still could not do that.....what they do to
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: their fellow men.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am charmed by your concern for the lower castes in the Hindu caste
hierarchy. You must be the proverbial knight in shining armour rushing in
to rescue the poor untouchables and other persecuted members in the Hindu
caste hierarchy. I am also sure that you were not motivated by any
perverse stereotype of Hindus. We need more people like you who would
rise and protest about
a)The dictates of Taliban.
b)The death threat on Salman Rushdie and Taslima.
c)The stoning of Noorjehan.
d)The killing of Algerian women for wanting to study in school.
e)The unilateral dissolution of marriage of Nasr Abu Zeid by busybodies.,
etc.etc, and who would not cease and desist from stereotyping in search
of their most laudable objective.
: the big bad wolf
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: wolf's lair
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From your father's or mother's side?
--
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> And of course what your friend here does is hob nob with ershad in his >poetry festival.Ever heard of the phrase " Nero fiddles while rome >burns".
Exactly who are you talking about ?
If you are interested about my stand about Ershad: well, Presidency
College Students' Association (PCSA), under my leadership, staged a
protest against Ershad's reign of corruption and terror in the
Bangladesh Embassy in 1987. Since the Bangladesh Mission in Park Circus,
Calcutta, is BD Govt property, the authorities had the police come in
and beat us out of the area.
I did attend a poetry-festival in Dhaka in 1988, but I was invited by a
group of young radical poets who were not only against Ershad's regime,
but were known activists. And the program was sponsored by Bishwa
Shahitya Kendra under Abdullah Abu Sayeed, and aided by Sajjad Sharif,
Farid Kabir, Shantanu Choudhury, Tushar Das, and Rudra Muhammad
Shahidullah. Shamsur Rahman presided. I narrated my experience with the
anti-Ershad demonstration in Calcutta before I read my poems.
>
> As for the anti hindu bigotry, I can state this, it is much more anti
> brahmin and anti elitest than it is anti hindu. As for hindus getting
> offended, you see no matter how much I try I cannot offended them >enough,
> at least not as much as a brahmin who says to a fellow hindu " you are >not
> as good as I am becasue I come from a higher caste, so go clean the
> toilets". Can any one tell me how to top that. Than of course "these
> wreteched people cannot pray to the gods themselve, change occupation, >or
> even sit with the so called higher caste, any male stupid enough to >marry
> a higher caste woman, has his limbs crushed and thrown in the fire and >his
> father hacked to death ". Now tell me how I can beat >that................
> If I had a heart of ice I still could not do that.....what they do to
> their fellow men.
I am not a Brahmin, if you understand anything about casteism. NONE of
my friends and associates and people who I grew up with, has or ever had
ANY
positive feelings for casteism. Casteism is virtually out of urban
circles in Calcutta, except in certain matrimonial alliances. My parents
had an inter-caste marriage and so did I.
Places where casteism is still maintained are states in North India
where the literacy level is quite low. I hope you have read Soumitra's
posts about it.
Shoumyo.
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <3312F2...@homebox.com>,
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@homebox.com> wrote:
>Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>> ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
>> ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
>> ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
>> ** it.
>
I will answer the second question first.
Most Bangladeshi who have lived, grew up and studied in Bangladesh have a
wholly different attutude toward life than the so called " elites". At
least to me and probably to a bunch of others Ershad and Hasina are
monsters. I still remember those days in college , every few month we
would be ordered out of our dorms at 3 O'clock at night and stand in
freezing cold till the next morning to catch a bus home. And of course
what your friend here does is hob nob with ershad in his poetry festival
Ever heard of the phrase " Nero fiddles while rome burns".
As for the anti hindu bigotry, I can state this, it is much more anti
brahmin and anti elitest than it is anti hindu. As for hindus getting
offended, you see no matter how much I try I cannot offended them enough,
at least not as much as a brahmin who says to a fellow hindu " you are not
as good as I am becasue I come from a higher caste, so go clean the
toilets". Can any one tell me how to top that. Than of course "these
wreteched people cannot pray to the gods themselve, change occupation, or
even sit with the so called higher caste, any male stupid enough to marry
a higher caste woman, has his limbs crushed and thrown in the fire and his
father hacked to death ". Now tell me how I can beat that................
If I had a heart of ice I still could not do that.....what they do to
their fellow men.
Moazzem Hossain
M. Harun uz Zaman wrote:
>
> Mr. Mostafa:
>
> I have the following questions for you.
>
> 1. Are you a genuine communal bigot or you enjoy acting like one?
>
> 2. Why is it wrong for Shoumyo Dasgupta or anyone else from *any*
> country to post on some issue about BD if it has some interest
> for them?
>
> 3. I never saw Shoumyo Dasgupta post anything that was offensive or
> disrespectful toward BDesh.
>
> Then, why is all this renting and raving about "we brahmins know
> what is good for you" crap?
>
> 4. Is it OK for me to post on soc.culture.canada on some event
> that occurred in Canada if the event involved (i) Bangla
> and/or (ii) Islam? Is it OK for YOU to do the same?
>
> As far as the incident goes, I think it is part of BDeshi political
> culture, and something that needs to be addressed. I do not
> think BNP, AL or any political party would intentionally commit
> acts of rowdyism on the Shahid Minar. Before I find more info,
> I would reserve my comments.
>
> Looking forward to your colorful reply. : - )
You are literally asking for it :-) Given all his prior writings on SCB
exposing him as a pathological communal bigot, he can have some very
colorful words ready for you. It may be a wortheless effort trying to
have some logical discussion with Mr. Mostafa. All we can do on
this net is to condemn his language of bigotry and hope that his views
are not shared by too many in Bangladesh.
Moazzem Hossain
> > ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
> > ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
> > ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
Moazzem Hossain
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>
> Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> > ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
> > ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
> > ** it.
>
I join you to condemn such a pathological communal bigotry by this
person. I am
sure many on the net are quite shocked to see such a nacked bigotry
by Mr. Mostafa in his repeated posting. At the same time, I must admit
that there are few (on the net) who share Mr. Mostafa's views and
I have seen people praised him in the past for his such "nationalistic
patriotic" views.
Moazzem Hossain
>
> Would you find this acceptable if he wrote:
>
> "Another freaking Black thinking with his.."
> OR
> "Another freaking Muslim thinking with his.."
> OR
> ..
>
> > ** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
> > ** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
> > ** minar premises.
>
> > ** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
> > ** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
> > ** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
> > ** where only men with bare feets can go..
>
> If others made jokes about our religious figures, we would not find it
> acceptable.
>
> Why are anti-Hindu jokes acceptable to us? Why is everyone silent?
>
> > ** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
> > ** morons something just like you ..
>
> 1) Calcutta Online is a new Web site. As far as I could tell, it has no
> print version.
> 2) Shoumyo & others from West Bengal have written repeatedly in the past
> condemning the communal character of Anandabazar
>
> > ** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
>
Faiz kabir
*****Kalam wrote:
>
> Ihtisham Kabir wrote:
> >
> > Any idea what - if anything - triggered this?
> >
> > - I.
>
> Mr. Kabir,
>
> I have been trying my best to make a sense of this news item and try to
> find its authenticity. The person who posted the news item quoted
> Calcutta on Line as the source. The same person had vented his anger and
> hatred based on the news item. This type of news item is nothing but a
> deliberate attempt to a smear campaign by blind supporters of certain
> kind. Why would a party leader let its own party supporter spoil a
> meeting held by the same party? Why is that only one source is reporting
> such incident? Let us be aware of people who are trying fool everyone
> else for propagating their own views.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kalam
Dear Mr. Kalam:
I am an Indian citizen and both AL and BNP are irrelevant to my
political ideology.
The question of "venting my hatred", therefore, does not arise.
I happen to be an Indian Bengali with roots in Bangladesh who loves
Bangladesh and its people. It is painful to see such stupid activities
(as reported) tarnish the image of my own people.
Shahid Minar is a holy symbol. A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and
love. Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
vilify it's premises.
Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular
bias
toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does
not
have any stake in that.
Again, while it is common knowledge that a certain religious community
has a bias toward AL in Bangladesh, Indians do NOT express any
inclination one way or the other. Speaking logically, if anything,
they'd probably be against AL these days because they lost some of
their
(wrongfully) held water from the Ganges!
Regards, and I hope I was able to explain,
Shoumyo Dasgupta.*****
Mr. Shoumyo dasgupto,
Your explanation seems untenable.
Read below what the Vice Chancelor of Dhaka University who oversees
the Ekushe Programme of Shahid Minar says about the celebration of
Ekushe February.
VC thanks people for observing Ekushey peacefully
**************************************************
Vice Chancellor of Dhaka University Prof. Abul Kalam Azad Chowdhury on
Saturday expressed hissed gratitude to the people for extending their
full cooperation to observe the `Amar Wekushey' in orderly manner and
with due solemnity,says BSS.
The Vice Chancellor in a statement said it was possible to observe the
`Amar Ekushey ` in a successful way with the soughtful cooperation of
people from all walks of life.
He expressed his gratitude to the members of `Amar
Ekushey Observance Samannya Committee' including its convenor and
joint convenors, teachers , students, employees of Dhaka University,
members of BNCC and Prover Scouts, leaders of different political ,
student and socio-cultural organizations and members of the law
enforcing agencies for their contributions to make the `Amar Ekushey'
observance a success.
(Source Dhaka Bangladesh Web Site.)
What does this mean ??
I haven't heard anything about the alleged incedent except from
you.What does this mean? "Maer cheye mashir darad beshi??" The way you
tried to spread this news and the way some of your fellows tried to
vent their anger against some political parties of Bangladesh being
not Bangladeshi make us alarmed. We need to be on guard against your
motives. We consider all of your explanations as linguistic diplomacy
and ask you to concentrate on your own business.We have enough news
sources of our own in the web.And our media is mature enough. So stop
meddling in Bangladesh affairs no matter whether you try to find your
root in Bangladesh or you think of Bangladeshis as your own people
which is nothing but a simple lie to us.
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <3313B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
>Exactly who are you talking about ?
>
>If you are interested about my stand about Ershad: well, Presidency
>College Students' Association (PCSA), under my leadership, staged a
>protest against Ershad's reign of corruption and terror in the
>Bangladesh Embassy in 1987. Since the Bangladesh Mission in Park Circus,
>Calcutta, is BD Govt property, the authorities had the police come in
>and beat us out of the area.
>
>I did attend a poetry-festival in Dhaka in 1988, but I was invited by a
>group of young radical poets who were not only against Ershad's regime,
>but were known activists. And the program was sponsored by Bishwa
>Shahitya Kendra under Abdullah Abu Sayeed, and aided by Sajjad Sharif,
>Farid Kabir, Shantanu Choudhury, Tushar Das, and Rudra Muhammad
>Shahidullah. Shamsur Rahman presided. I narrated my experience with the
>anti-Ershad demonstration in Calcutta before I read my poems.
** After a critical analysis of your anti ershad activities I am pleased
** to welcome you to the membership of the AL presidium. Then you can
** participate in the grand event of the year by witnessing the freeing of
** ershad .....
** Who are you trying to fool.........?/////
>
>I am not a Brahmin, if you understand anything about casteism.
Donot make me cry, with your sad sob story of not being born into
privelge......
>NONE of
>my friends and associates and people who I grew up with, has or ever had
>ANY positive feelings for casteism. Casteism is virtually out of urban
>circles in Calcutta, except in certain matrimonial alliances. My parents
>had an inter-caste marriage and so did I.
So who is your sister going to marry.... ? a harijan ... Oh yah ...
Of course I forgot that is better than a muslim... right........
>
>Places where casteism is still maintained are states in North India
>where the literacy level is quite low. I hope you have read Soumitra's
>posts about it.
>Shoumyo.
So the literacy level is high in WB.
Well the next time a man lands on the moon I have to keep a watchful
eye it might just be a WB ,, could happen ... nothing is impossible...
Ihtisham Kabir
Of course this kind of behavior is to be condemned,
but often it is flame-bait and making a lot of posts
condemning it simply plays into the hands of the
bigoted poster who more often than not craves attention.
- I
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <5evthk$bd3$1...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya <bha...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>: Ever heard of the phrase " Nero fiddles while rome burns".
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Who hob-nobbed with Ershad in poetry festival-Shoumya, Soumitra, Naeem-who?
Who posted the lies..,
There you go, you see you have a brain after all....
>
>
>: As for the anti hindu bigotry, I can state this, it is much more anti
>: brahmin and anti elitest than it is anti hindu. As for hindus getting
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Nevertheless your post used vulgur language against Hindu symbols.
What is a hindu symbol, elighten me on this one, my knowledge of the veda
is not strong. Is shib linga a symbol of hinduism ?
What does it signify?
Let us say that shib linga is the symbol of hinduism and corner stone of
this religion. Then hindus pray to a symbol that is a erect phyllus for
what .. to have better sex... ?
>You of
>course have every right to use vulgur language against Hindu
>symbols-after all thats what freedom of speech is all about.
Missed the target by a mile... , freedom of speech is to show that there
is always two side of a coin , hinduism is not perfect, it has it's share
of problems..just that it's problems are gigantic....
>I also hope
>that you agree that Salman Rushdie has a similar right to name
>prostitutes in his novel after the wives of the Prophet.
Oh sure, a cat may look at the queen, but that doesnot mean that the cat
is the queen.
>
>
>: offended, you see no matter how much I try I cannot offended them enough,
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Freedom of speech is of course about freedom to offend. Just come out and
>say so. Also I hope that you accept the corresponding rights of
>anti-Muslim bigots to trash Muslim symbols.
Any religion worth anything should be able to withstand critical analysis
anti-muslim bigot is that critical analysis. It will withstand it on it's
own merit.
>
>
>: at least not as much as a brahmin who says to a fellow hindu " you are not
>: as good as I am becasue I come from a higher caste, so go clean the
>: toilets". Can any one tell me how to top that. Than of course "these
>: wreteched people cannot pray to the gods themselve, change occupation, or
>: even sit with the so called higher caste, any male stupid enough to marry
>: a higher caste woman, has his limbs crushed and thrown in the fire and his
>: father hacked to death ". Now tell me how I can beat that................
>: If I had a heart of ice I still could not do that.....what they do to
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>: their fellow men.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>I am charmed by your concern for the lower castes in the Hindu caste
>hierarchy.
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH... I am no Gandhi,
>You must be the proverbial knight in shining armour rushing in
>to rescue the poor untouchables and other persecuted members in the Hindu
>caste hierarchy.
Will not allow caste to be practised in BD.
All God's men be he a hindu, buddhist, christian or muslim is born equal.
After birth they shape their own destiny.
>I am also sure that you were not motivated by any
>perverse stereotype of Hindus. We need more people like you who would
>rise and protest about
>
>a)The dictates of Taliban.
What is there to protest, Taliban is ISI, and Pak Army.
I can protest the action of a human being who has some grey matter to
understand what the protest is about, but how can you protest the action
of animals
>b)The death threat on Salman Rushdie and Taslima.
Salman Rushdie, aha the don quixote of the 20 th century,
He doesnot need me, he has MI 15 or is it MI 16
>c)The stoning of Noorjehan.
Punish Golam Azam... it is his fault
>d)The killing of Algerian women for wanting to study in school.
The algerian issue is quite complicated and it is more of fight aganist
french hegamoney as it is a face of islam.
>e)The unilateral dissolution of marriage of Nasr Abu Zeid by busybodies.,
>
>etc.etc, and who would not cease and desist from stereotyping in search
>of their most laudable objective.
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAH.........wink wink.......honk honk.........
>From your father's or mother's side?
* Both, I have my father to thank for giving me the teeth to bite
when I think something is unjust and my mother for showing me never to
stop trying no matter what the odds are.
>
>--
>Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
Tanveer Choudhury
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, M. Harun uz Zaman wrote:
> Mr. Mostafa:
>
> I have the following questions for you.
>
> 1. Are you a genuine communal bigot or you enjoy acting like one?
It seems to me that Mostafa is a genuine wolf. Not "a bad wolf". He is
an ugly wolf. Ugly from the inside. I cant believe this guy is such a
stuck up. ****LIGHTEN UP**** . Also, Get a life. Otherwise soon you will
wind up in a mental assylum.
>
> 2. Why is it wrong for Shoumyo Dasgupta or anyone else from *any*
> country to post on some issue about BD if it has some interest
> for them?
>
> 3. I never saw Shoumyo Dasgupta post anything that was offensive or
> disrespectful toward BDesh.
>
> Then, why is all this renting and raving about "we brahmins know
> what is good for you" crap?
>
> 4. Is it OK for me to post on soc.culture.canada on some event
> that occurred in Canada if the event involved (i) Bangla
> and/or (ii) Islam? Is it OK for YOU to do the same?
>
> As far as the incident goes, I think it is part of BDeshi political
> culture, and something that needs to be addressed. I do not
> think BNP, AL or any political party would intentionally commit
> acts of rowdyism on the Shahid Minar. Before I find more info,
> I would reserve my comments.
>
> Looking forward to your colorful reply. : - )
>
> Best wishes.
>
> M. Harun uz Zaman, Ph.D.
> The Ohio State University
>
>
>
>
> Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> >
> > In article <3310B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
> > Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
> > >Dear Mr. Kalam:
> > >
> > >I am an Indian citizen and both AL and BNP are irrelevant to my
> > >political ideology.
> > ** Then why the hell are you lurking in this newsgroup.
> > ** Why are all your posts pro AL..
> >
> > >
> > >The question of "venting my hatred", therefore, does not arise.
> > ** As far as I know you are a part of the so called "me, WB brahmin we
> > know what is good for bangalee.." who usually front for AL and the the
> > umbrella of secularism .. HAHAHAHA
> >
> > >
> > >I happen to be an Indian Bengali with roots in Bangladesh who loves
> > >Bangladesh and its people.
> > ** You are an indian bangalee not a Bangladeshi. Therefore why is this "
> > Ma ar thaka mashir dorod bashi '
> >
> > It is painful to see such stupid activities
> > >(as reported) tarnish the image of my own people.
> > ** What ever was done by a Bangladeshi to a Bangladeshi, how does it
> > ** tarnish the image of your indian bangalees.... ?????????????
> > ** "painful to see " if it is so painful get some advil and stop freaking
> > ** complaining...
> > >
> > >Shahid Minar is a holy symbol.
> > ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
> > ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
> > ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
> > ** it. Ara Dada give me a freaking break..............................
> > ** Shahid Minar is not a holy symbol. It is simply a symbol of bangladesh
> > ** march toward independence which started in 52 and culminated in 71.
> > ** If we want to tample on it with our dirty shoes we will........
> > ** Who the hell are you to say what is right or wrong....
> > ** ( Get the extra strength advil, by will need it)
> >
> > >A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and love.
> > ** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
> > ** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
> > ** minar premises. Next time I will keep a look out on their activities..
> > **
> > >Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
> > >vilify it's premises. ^^^^^^
> > ** oh really, and how are you going to stop it.
> > ** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
> > ** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
> > ** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
> > ** where only men with bare feets can go..
> > ** I donot know ,you want to try that, maybe look into holy books or
> > ** would be a hell lot better than any expalnation that you gave
> > previuosly.
> > >
> > >Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
> > >toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
> > >have any stake in that.
> > ** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
> > ** morons something just like you .. ( ara dada rag korlan, who gives a
> > ** rat's ass) who think they alone know what is right. " Amrada
> > ** Part of their elitist attitude. Elite my foot, calcutta is a sewer
> > ** and west bangalees are 50 years behind us... go figure....
> > >
> > >Again, while it is common knowledge that a certain religious community
> > >has a bias toward AL in Bangladesh, Indians do NOT express any
> > >inclination one way or the other.
> > ** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
> > ** Hats off to any one who can prove otherwise...
> >
> > >Speaking logically, if anything,
> > >they'd probably be against AL these days because they lost some of their
> > >(wrongfully) held water from the Ganges!
> > ** Please stop , you are making me cry..... all the suffering of the
> > **indian bangalees for us wreteched ungrateful Bangladeshi ..
> > ** I cannot take it any more take back the damm water we are drowning
> > ** in the tears of WB poor people...
> > >
> > >Regards, and I hope I was able to explain,
> > >
> > >Shoumyo Dasgupta.
> >
Mahbubul Chowdhury
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
> In article <3313B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
> Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
> >Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
freeing of
> ** ershad .....
> ** Who are you trying to fool.........?/////
>
> >
> >I am not a Brahmin, if you understand anything about casteism.
> Donot make me cry, with your sad sob story of not being born into
> privelge......
>
> >NONE of
> >my friends and associates and people who I grew up with, has or ever had
> >posts about it.
> >Shoumyo.
>
> So the literacy level is high in WB.
> Well the next time a man lands on the moon I have to keep a watchful
> eye it might just be a WB ,, could happen ... nothing is impossible...
>
> wolf's lair
To Khondakar M,
If you have a point to make, however good or bad, you can
always do so without using filthy words as you've been
doing for some time. I am kind of wondering what your
parents would think of their (great!) son if they happened
to read your postings.
One can always change his action, and you can do that
now by going polite from now on. That would not undermine
your arguments, I can assure you that.
Mahbub
Naeem Mohaiemen
Moazzem Hossain wrote:
> > Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> > > ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick.
> Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
> > I condemn this anti-Hindu bigotry. Why are other Bangladeshis silent?
> I join you to condemn such a pathological communal bigotry by this
> person. I am
> sure many on the net are quite shocked to see such a nacked bigotry
> by Mr. Mostafa in his repeated posting. At the same time, I must admit
> that there are few (on the net) who share Mr. Mostafa's views and
> I have seen people praised him in the past for his such "nationalistic
> patriotic" views.
*sigh*.."nationalist patriotism" is equal to hatred towards Hindus for
these people?
Kado bangali kado, kisher shadhinotha..? 25 bochor por o ey obostha..
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Naeem Mohaiemen
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> >Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> >> ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick.
> Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@homebox.com> wrote:
> >I condemn this anti-Hindu bigotry.
> Most Bangladeshi who have lived, grew up and studied in Bangladesh have a
> wholly different attutude toward life than the so called " elites". At
> least to me and probably to a bunch of others Ershad and Hasina are
> monsters. I still remember those days in college , every few month we
> would be ordered out of our dorms at 3 O'clock at night and stand in
> freezing cold till the next morning to catch a bus home. And of course
> what your friend here does is hob nob with ershad in his poetry festival
Funny. I lived, grew up and studied in Bangladesh; went to Dhaka
University, and yes, even
caught buses home! I don't recall ever attending any "ershad poetry
festivals". To us folks
in DU Econ dept, he was a symbol for every thing wrong with our society.
So. why don't I feel the need to write "Another freaking Hindu"?
> As for the anti hindu bigotry, I can state this, it is much more anti
> brahmin and anti elitest than it is anti hindu.
If it's "anti elitist", why didn't you write
"Another freaking elitist.."
instead of
"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick" ?
> the big bad wolf
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Naeem Mohaiemen
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> Any religion worth anything should be able to withstand critical analysis
> anti-muslim bigot is that critical analysis. It will withstand it on it's
> own merit.
"Critical analysis"?
You wrote:
"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Naeem Mohaiemen
Tanveer Choudhury wrote:
> > 2. Why is it wrong for Shoumyo Dasgupta or anyone else from *any*
> > country to post on some issue about BD if it has some interest
> > for them?
More importantly, Mostafa, if you disagree with him, why don't you post
a rebuttal which points out:
a) Flaw in argument
b) Unreliability of source
c) "Other parties have done it as well"
Why do you feel the need to respond with
"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"?
Question:
*Are you used to thinking Hindu= Indian Agent (or Indian=Hindu)?
*Do you not have any Bangladeshi Hindu friends?
*How would they feel if they heard you say "Another freaking hindu
thinking with his dick"?
*Are you not used to dealing with Hindus (or any religion) as equal
debating partners?
*In all your "debates" (seem more like shouting matches) with people of
a different background, is your common strategy to revert to insults
based on ethnicity/religion? (e.g. "You freaking black", "You freaking
jew", "You freaking white".. etc)
> > 3. I never saw Shoumyo Dasgupta post anything that was offensive or
> > disrespectful toward BDesh.
In fact, he is part of the group that started JUKTHAKKHOR, a magazine
intended to publish pieces from writers of both Bengals, and foster
understanding between "dui Bangla".
> > Then, why is all this renting and raving about "we brahmins know
> > what is good for you" crap?
In fact:
*Shoumyo isn't Brahmin
*Has an inter-caste marriage, the ultimate act of defiance against catse
system
So,
*It would appear that the catse red-flag that Mostafa raised is simply
red herring, designed to get people's attention away from his INITIAL
statement, which is closest to the feelings in his heart.
This thread started with
"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"
All else that followed afterwards:
*What is source of article?
*Fix your own caste-ridden Hindu religion?
..etc.. is trying to cover up the naked communal hatred in the first
post.
M. Harun uz Zaman
Naeem:
I asked the questions that you attribute to Tanveer Chowdhury. Tanveer
Chowdhury was following up to my post, and quoted my questions.
You have done this before with one of my posts (attributed my comments
to Dr. Bilayet Hossain) but I did not bother to point it out. Also,
when editing other people's posts, you sometimes delete the most
relevant parts (the parts you are responding to) from the posts. For
example, in response to my post about the mistreatment of Biharis,
you pointed out that the human rights abuses committed by Pakistanis
and Bengalis were not symmetric, and yet you managed to delete a
sentence
in my post that said exactly the same thing!
Please be a little more careful about editing other people's posts.
I certainly do not want Tanveer Chowdhury take the heat for what I
wrote!
Best wishes.
M. Harun uz Zaman, Ph.D.
The Ohio State University
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>
> Tanveer Choudhury wrote:
>
> > > 2. Why is it wrong for Shoumyo Dasgupta or anyone else from *any*
> > > country to post on some issue about BD if it has some interest
> > > for them?
>
> More importantly, Mostafa, if you disagree with him, why don't you post
> a rebuttal which points out:
>
> a) Flaw in argument
> b) Unreliability of source
> c) "Other parties have done it as well"
>
> Why do you feel the need to respond with
> "Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"?
>
> Question:
>
> *Are you used to thinking Hindu= Indian Agent (or Indian=Hindu)?
> *Do you not have any Bangladeshi Hindu friends?
> *How would they feel if they heard you say "Another freaking hindu
> thinking with his dick"?
> *Are you not used to dealing with Hindus (or any religion) as equal
> debating partners?
> *In all your "debates" (seem more like shouting matches) with people of
> a different background, is your common strategy to revert to insults
> based on ethnicity/religion? (e.g. "You freaking black", "You freaking
> jew", "You freaking white".. etc)
>
> > > 3. I never saw Shoumyo Dasgupta post anything that was offensive or
> > > disrespectful toward BDesh.
>
> In fact, he is part of the group that started JUKTHAKKHOR, a magazine
> intended to publish pieces from writers of both Bengals, and foster
> understanding between "dui Bangla".
>
> > > Then, why is all this renting and raving about "we brahmins know
> > > what is good for you" crap?
>
Naeem Mohaiemen
M. Harun uz Zaman wrote:
> Naeem:
> I asked the questions that you attribute to Tanveer Chowdhury. Tanveer
> Chowdhury was following up to my post, and quoted my questions.
> Please be a little more careful about editing other people's posts.
> I certainly do not want Tanveer Chowdhury take the heat for what I
> wrote!
Apologies.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
M. Zahirul Islam
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
> In article <3310B5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
> wolf's lair
It is a sad day that a scum like that could crawl out of its little hole
and shoot his fealth all over peoples faces like that.
Zahir.
saleh tanveer
Good point. I agree.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Udayan Chattopadhyay wrote:
> Then again, if this is what we can expect from our socio-economic
> elites, a lot of what goes on in India, Pakistan + BD can be more > easily explained I suppose ...
Funny you mention that. From my experience, the so-called "uneducated
mass" or "aam janata" has no headaches about these issues. I asked
around a lot of people I happen to know from different walks of life,
who said that they did not really care about such "political affairs".
> Which is why it is important for those on the net and these newsgroups > to speak out.
>
Absoluetly.
> I am reduced to quoting from one of CP(M)'s "gono" posters from > Calcutta:
> "shatru jakhan sampradayikata, pratibaad na kora-i pradhan aparadh ..."
Not that I am a big fan of CPI(M), but I do support this slogan
whole-heartedly. Please note that the word "pradhan" is probably not
there in the slogan.
Shoumyo.
Soumitra Bose
DRKHALID1 wrote:
>
> It seems to me that most of the "anti Hindu" postings are in response to
> the "anti Muslim" postings, such as defamation of the Prophet and the
> questioning of the Holy Koran. Offcourse the Muslims of Bangladesh are
> going to respond with equal vice, it's only natural. Please question
> these anti Islam postings first, and why are there so many in SCB, I
> thought Bangladesh is overwhelmingly Muslim.
>
> Khlaid
Now , is there some one who maintains a running balance sheet of
anti-either religious posters.When the total is over at the end of the
day there should be a debit or credit balance and the number has to be
balanced by trusted lieutenants??? So , is that the norm now .
How many decades should bengalees walk before they are called Humans ????
The answer my friend is still NOT in the air ....
Udayan Chattopadhyay
In article <5f075r$7...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, ka...@Eng.Sun.COM says...
>
>Of course this kind of behavior is to be condemned,
>but often it is flame-bait and making a lot of posts
>condemning it simply plays into the hands of the
>bigoted poster who more often than not craves attention.
>
>- I
>
>
Alternatively, it can prove that there are rational minded people out there,
and serve as reassurance to those worried about tacit approval of such
views.
I am frequently amazed that people from India, Pakistan + BD who are
studying in the US, Europe (so are either of above average intelligence or
above average income or both) and have access to the internet etc. can come
out with the regular doses of racist, communalist rubbish. Then again, if
this is what we can expect from our socio-economic elites, a lot of what
goes on in India, Pakistan + BD can be more easily explained I suppose ...
Which is why it is important for those on the net and these newsgroups to
speak out.
I am reduced to quoting from one of CP(M)'s "gono" posters from Calcutta:
DRKHALID1
Naeem Mohaiemen
DRKHALID1 wrote:
>
> It seems to me that most of the "anti Hindu" postings are in response to
> the "anti Muslim" postings, such as defamation of the Prophet and the
> questioning of the Holy Koran.
Dear Dr. Khalid1,
1) Shoumyo Dasgupta posted a news-report (May be bogus, may not be-- but
that's not the debate here) about "BNP men "Rampage" at Shahid Minar"
2) Khondokar Mostafa responded with "Another freaking Hindu thinking
with his dick."
3) Instead of condemning the post, you divert into "anti Hindu post" is
in "response" to "anti-Muslim post"
(eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind?)
Question to you:
1) Where was the anti-Muslim post in Shoumyo's original post?
2) Do anti-Muslim posts (if they occur) make it okay for us to respond
with anti-Hindu posts?
3) Do you find the communalism displayed by "Another freaking hindu"
statement condemnable or not?
4) Why can you not find the space in your heart to condemn BOTH
anti-Muslim AND anti-Hindu posts?
5) How long have you been on USENET? Have you ever paid attention to the
fact that Shoumyo Dasgupta himself has posted in past condemning
anti-Muslim posts by others? Or does the name Dasgupta (a "hindu" name
to you folks) automatically translate to-- "This man must have posted
anti-Muslim post in past, so it's okay for one of OUR team to use
anti-Hindu communalism against him"?
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
M. Harun uz Zaman
DRKHALID1 wrote:
>
> It seems to me that most of the "anti Hindu" postings are in response to
> the "anti Muslim" postings, such as defamation of the Prophet and the
> going to respond with equal vice, it's only natural. Please question
> these anti Islam postings first, and why are there so many in SCB, I
> thought Bangladesh is overwhelmingly Muslim.
>
> Khlaid
Let us get the facts straight.
The anti-Hindu post by Mr. Mostafa was NOT in response to any
anti-Muslim post. There are numerous anti-Muslim posts (as you
have correctly pointed out) in SCI (by bigots and idiots like
Kunal Singh and Gopal Saraswat) to which Mr. Mostafa has NOT
chosen to respond. His anti-Hindu post was in response to a post
about Ekushey February. The original post had nothing to do with
Islam and Hinduism.
I have frequently responded to bigotted anti-Muslim posts, and am
currently on a thread that says BD has a worse record of anti-minority
discrimination than India. Others on SCB who have responded,
and frequently respond, to anti-Muslim posts include Dr. Shakil
Ahmed,
Dr. Saleh Tanveer, Abdullah Faizur Rahman, Akhtar Hossain, Hassan
Alam, Shaad Ahmed and Dr. Bilayet Hossain (please see his recent post
on the issue of "53 year old person marrying a 9 year old girl").
Not all of the above people are committed Muslims, and a few of
them are self-proclaimed agnostics and atheists. But they all have
defended Islam and Muslims on grounds of fairness. I also must
mention that some nonBangladeshi nettors including Soumitra Bose,
Nalinakhkha Bhattacharya, Sayan Bhattacharya, Denis Wright,
Shoumyo Dasgupta and Pradip Mohuri have defended Islam and Muslims
against unfair criticism from time to time although some of their
posts may be perceived as anti-Islamic.
It is particularly unfortunate that Mr. Mostafa chooses to call
Shoumyo Dasgupta "a freaking Hindu thinking with his ...." when
Mr. Dasgupta once wrote that "Islam is the most beautiful religion."
The best way to convey the message of Islam is not through hate-
mongering, but through reason and moral grace. Please read a recent
post by Mohammad Gani under the thread "Hate begets Hate."
Best wishes and Salam.
Zunaid Kazi
In article <19970227035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
DRKHALID1 <drkh...@aol.com> wrote:
>It seems to me that most of the "anti Hindu" postings are in response to
>the "anti Muslim" postings, such as defamation of the Prophet and the
>questioning of the Holy Koran.
>Offcourse the Muslims of Bangladesh are
>going to respond with equal vice, it's only natural.
Offourse? It's not natural, it's pathetic and vile to stoop to bigotry
to counter bigotry. Prejudice and bigotry is *not* the mark of a good
Muslim.
>Please question
>these anti Islam postings first, and why are there so many in SCB,
Bigots abound. If some Hindu's make anti-Islamic postings it is upto
other Hindus to protest them. And being Muslim, if a fellow Muslim
makes hateful remarks about other religions, it is upto is to protest
them.
>I thought Bangladesh is overwhelmingly Muslim.
So?
--
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Pradip Muhuri
To Dr. Hassan uz Zaman:
I congratulate you on your posting with objective analysis.
regards,
Pradip Muhuri, PhD
M. Harun uz Zaman wrote:
>
> DRKHALID1 wrote:
> >
> > It seems to me that most of the "anti Hindu" postings are in response to
> > the "anti Muslim" postings, such as defamation of the Prophet and the
> > questioning of the Holy Koran. Offcourse the Muslims of Bangladesh are
> > going to respond with equal vice, it's only natural. Please question
> > these anti Islam postings first, and why are there so many in SCB, I
> > thought Bangladesh is overwhelmingly Muslim.
> >
Manir
In article <331390...@eng.sun.com>,
Moazzem Hossain <moazzem...@eng.sun.com> wrote:
>> Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>> > ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
>> > ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
>> > ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
>> > ** it.
>>
>
>I join you to condemn such a pathological communal bigotry by this
>person. I am
>sure many on the net are quite shocked to see such a nacked bigotry
Sure, there are many. I wonder why this man cant place his arguments
in nice language and without attacking other religion and belief. Just
shocking.
Thanks
Manir
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <3315D1...@osu.edu>,
M. Harun uz Zaman <harunuz...@osu.edu> wrote:
> Let us get the facts straight.
> The anti-Hindu post by Mr. Mostafa was NOT in response to any
> anti-Muslim post.
If you will read his orginal post it was directed aganist BNP.
Here for those who seems to overlook the obvious the majority of the
Hindu population and that of WB supports AL. Hindus in Bangladesh vote in
mass for AL. Hindus in WB love AL. After AL come to power the first thing
that the PM does is visit India. PM get the netaji award for safegaurding
democrarcy, while every bangladeshi knows that had it not been for KZ's
uncompromising attitude toward HME democracy would only be a pipe dream.
SH is a bed partner of the widely recognized autocrat HME, yet India had
reservation in handing her award.
The point here is that hindus in Bangladesh always support AL no matter
what. They seem to have forgotten that Ershad staged managed the mock
riot and is a and has been a partner of SH and AL. No such occurance under
BNP, yet they seem to be blind followers of AL. All post by hindu posters
in the SCB are also pro AL and anti BNP.
Now tell me what is that automatically equates a hindu to AL and BNP to a
muslim ?
>There are numerous anti-Muslim posts (as you
> have correctly pointed out) in SCI (by bigots and idiots like
> Kunal Singh and Gopal Saraswat) to which Mr. Mostafa has NOT
> chosen to respond.
Most ant muslim post that I have come across are of poor quality, anybody
of minimum intelligence will be able to dig to get to the truth. ......
Therefore harddly worth the wasting precious cyber bandwidth
> His anti-Hindu post was in response to a post
> about Ekushey February. The original post had nothing to do with
> Islam and Hinduism.
Of course, it was in response to Ekushey, but had everything to do with
islam and hindu. the orginal posting was absolutely misleading and
intentionally glossed over. There is yet no proof that such a incidence
actually occured at the shahid minar. He is yet to qoute any source in
defence of his claim. The next thing he automatically deduced that it was
BNP. One could claim that BNP is opposition, but there are many other
parties in opposition, yet he chose only BNP. If he is famailar with BD
and it's politics he is aware that when it comes to DU BCL and JCD are
literally the same in terms of disciple and common sense except that JCD
has probably has more muscle. So it could be BCL or JCD yet he chose BNP
to blame. ( Here one can see the mental reflexes at work ).
Then he goes on to say that it scared and nobody has the right to tample
on it with dirty shoes and BNP is the one guilty of the crime....while
everybody knows that all perties do it.... this year it is SMR picture and
BCL and next year it is Zia and JCD..
One can see very clearly that his main target was BNP and what it
represents the urban and city muslim....
> I have frequently responded to bigotted anti-Muslim posts, and am
> currently on a thread that says BD has a worse record of anti-minority
> discrimination than India. Others on SCB who have responded,
>and frequently respond, to anti-Muslim posts include Dr. Shakil
>Ahmed,
> Dr. Saleh Tanveer, Abdullah Faizur Rahman, Akhtar Hossain, Hassan
> Alam, Shaad Ahmed and Dr. Bilayet Hossain (please see his recent post
> on the issue of "53 year old person marrying a 9 year old girl").
what, blowing your own trumpets....
Please keep the self praise for your private audience....
something like your wife, dog, etc.................
> Not all of the above people are committed Muslims, and a few of
> them are self-proclaimed agnostics and atheists. But they all have
> defended Islam and Muslims on grounds of fairness. I also must
> mention that some nonBangladeshi nettors including Soumitra Bose,
> Nalinakhkha Bhattacharya, Sayan Bhattacharya, Denis Wright,
> Shoumyo Dasgupta and Pradip Mohuri have defended Islam and Muslims
> against unfair criticism from time to time although some of their
> posts may be perceived as anti-Islamic.
> It is particularly unfortunate that Mr. Mostafa chooses to call
> Shoumyo Dasgupta "a freaking Hindu thinking with his ...." when
> Mr. Dasgupta once wrote that "Islam is the most beautiful religion."
I retract none of what I have said, and see no reason for that.
Dasgupta is a hindu, think like a hindu acts on hindu reflexes, and what
ever he was doing when he was typing up that posting he surely was not
using his brain. About the .... part, I may be wrong but I think I am in
the ball park, he could have been using that smoking hashish.
As for dasgupta " Islam....relegion", he is putting on a show. I
donot beleive him. He will stick a knife if he gets a chance.
>
> The best way to convey the message of Islam is not through hate-
> mongering, but through reason and moral grace. Please read a recent
> post by Mohammad Gani under the thread "Hate begets Hate.
> Best wishes and Salam.
> M. Harun uz Zaman, Ph.D.
> The Ohio State University
*****************************************************************************
After the dust settles down, the readers will hopefully see that it is not
in everybody's interest to just merge two distinct different society into
one. Although the people of bengal are homogenious as far as race is
considered culturally and most importantly relgion wise the two bengal
are diameterically opposite, especially in our context where religion is
THE most important factor in the life our society. The suspicion with
which we view eacvh other is very deep rooted and of course based on
happening in the past. It is best to have a hindu WB and a muslim BD.
We keep out of each business and not pass value judgement on happening in
other backyard.
I am saying this after of course weighing the economic value of closer
ties with WB and India. I think what ever benefit that we can derive from
such a cooperation will be greatly overshadowed by the political
instability which our country can ill afford.
I am of the opinion that , a young desh on the streets of dhaka wants a
different identity than a being of the same sub species of the most
backward group of india. We can do better than that and if the WB people
change their mentality they can do much better than India. I haven't the
faintest doubt of their abilities.
As always
Mohammad A. Rahin
In article <199702250...@ppp-045.une.edu.au>, dwr...@metz.une.edu.au
(Denis Wright) wrote:
>Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Shahid Minar is a holy symbol. A symbol of sacrifice, commitment, and
>> love. Under no circumstances can we be quiet when ANYONE attempts to
>> vilify it's premises.
>
>Surely the first question here is - what really happened, if anything,
>at the Shahid Minar to provoke such a report?
>
>There must have been thousands of witnesses and surely some independent
>newspaper reports. If this is a lie, it should be exposed. If it is
>true, then everyone is entitled to know the circumstances. If it is
>half-true then everyone is entitled to know which half it is that's
>true. Right now there must be a lot of people, including me, who are
>very confused about it all.
>
I have just got back from Bangladesh. Many newspapers (Ittefaq and Janakantha
for sure) carried news about the panadamonium (sp?) and mess caused by a
number of BNP supporters at the Sahid Minar. I have brought some BD newspapers
with me. I am not sure if any of those have the above news coverage. I'll look
for it. Hope this settles the veracity of the report from Calcutta Online that
triggered this thread.
- Rahin
>Denis
Naeem Mohaiemen
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> The point here is that hindus in Bangladesh always support AL no matter
> what.
Sounds like the "Blacks always vote Democrat" logic..
Even if it is true, how does it justify:
"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"
Note:
Pro-AL post is not = anti-Muslim post
So, how is your anti-Hindu post justified?
> One can see very clearly that his main target was BNP and what it
> represents the urban and city muslim....
So, AL, Jatiyo Party, Jamaat does not represent "urban/city muslim"?
> I retract none of what I have said, and see no reason for that.
No, of course not.
> Dasgupta is a hindu, think like a hindu acts on hindu reflexes
Which justifies:
"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"?
> As for dasgupta " Islam....relegion", he is putting on a show.
You're a mind-reader as well.
> After the dust settles down, the readers will hopefully see that it is not
> in everybody's interest to just merge two distinct different society into
> one.
Maybe so.
How does that justify your communal post:
"Another freaking Hindu thinking with his dick"?
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
Zeeshan Khan
I doubt the veracity of the claims made by Calcutta Online regarding
BNP's vandalism at the Shahid Minar. I was in Dhaka during the
period(just got back to the US). In fact I was present at the Shahid
Minar premises when Khaleda Zia's entourage arrived there and the
microphone announced her laying of floral wreaths at the Minar. I was on
my way out from there, but if Calcutta Online's claims are true, then at
least I would have heard the resulting hue and cry. Also, the
Awami-League leaning newspapers in Dhaka would pounce on the opportunity
to announce Khaleda's entourage defiling the Shahid Minar. Nothing of
the sort was mentioned as far as I know.
Other tidbits regarding the observance:
IMHO this year's observance didn't have the level of enthusiasm and
deep-felt sentiments as evidenced in previous years. The President and
Prime Minister Sheik Hasina jointly laid floral wreaths at midnight, and
this was televised directly. We live in the Dhaka university area, and
the number of people we saw streaming towards the minar throughout the
night and the morning seemed less than previous years. Also the Boi-Mela
(book fair) held close-by seemed to give the whole event a big festive
aura. There was some talk of Jatiyatabadi Chatro Dol(BNP student arm)
creating problems during Hasina's visit to the Shahid Minar and during
her opening of the Boi Mela. Heavy security measures were undertaken and
no problems occurred. This year there was no mad rush to hang pictures
of the late leaders - no pictures were hung on the minar.
- Zeeshan Khan
(disclaimer: personal opinions only)
Shabbir A. Bashar wrote:
>
> Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Calcutta Online, to my knowledge, has not displayed any particular bias
> >toward any political party or ideology in Bangladesh. It simply does not
> >have any stake in that.
>
> >Shoumyo Dasgupta.
>
> Dear Mr Dasgupta,
>
> Your hatred or love for Bangladeshis is of less consequnce to me than the
> serious allegations that were suggested by your unquoted refernce to a
> news article allegdly published in Calcutta Online.
>
> Before I take a decisive stand for or against your efforts, may I invite
> you to be kind enough to post an exact copy of the alleged text from the
> WWW site. You see, I'm having some difficulty accessing the site.
>
> Secondly, I have read two Bangladeshi newspapers (dated 21st Feb 1997)
> which had, as expected, extensive coverage on the activities of the
> the president, the government and opposition on the occassion of our
> National Martyrs Day - Amar Ekushey. It may be of interest to you and
> others to note that I found no article which reported on any incident
> which vaguely corraborate the alleged claim.
>
> I do not regard party politicisation of a National Day or its upstaging
> by any party as something light - provided indeed such an incident did
> take place. Similarly, posting deliberate and calculated yet
> unsubstantiated allegations to precipitate a smear against any individual,
> party or movement is nothing but cowardice.
>
> I hope you'll understand my reservations and furnish a plausible
> explanation - or at the very least post the quote I asked for earlier.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Shabbir A. Bashar
> Centre for Optics & Electronics, King's College London
> E-mail : S.Ba...@kcl.ac.uk
> http://coe1.eee.kcl.ac.uk/usr/shabbir/banglads.htm
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
> Now comming to the thread of communal posting.
> Your friend has yet to furnish the source on which he made that > outlandish
> remark about BNP. How are we supposed to know that Calcutta online
> actually published such a news. The possiblity that dasgupta fabricated
> the entire thing to tarnish BNP can not be neglected.
Please click on the following html code:
http://133.86.104.22/sourav/calonline/calframe.html
and go to news for 22 February.
I quote Calonline again:
(For unbiased conscientious readers: Please note: Once again I assert
that my post was not motivated by any political agenda. Had it been AL
or JI or JP, I'd have been equally vocal in my protest)
BNP men ransack Dhaka Function
The Bangladesh National Party (BNP) workers were on the rampage on Feb
21 at the Sahid Minar of
Dhaka where the nation was paying homage to the February 1952 martyrs.
The BNP raiders tore of
flowers and Garlands and climbed the martyr's column with their shoes
on. The defiled the sanctity of
the place that is revered in Bangladesh. This vandalism was witnessed by
former Prime Minister
Begum Khaleda Zia and visitors from India. The Vice-Chancellor of Dhaka
University Mr. Abul
Kalam Azad Chowdhury who was conducting the function condemned this act.
Khondakar M Mostafa
Naeem,
Since you are the most vocal of my critics, I guess I must take the time
to unmask you and your view points.
According to your claim, you were a student of economics at DU.
Q. How did you get in. I always dreamed of getting in but never could
What is the magic here, cheated on the exam, your relative was the dean or
maybe the VC was your MAMA, or maybe your dad was one of those powerful
secretarties whoses sense of duty to the nation was best symbolized by Dr.
Alamgir and of course so uncoruptable that he has only a couple of houses
in Gulsun. The other reason could be that DU has awfully poor standards
which is very hard to accept. That bring it back to you. For a guy who
claims to have been a student of DU you have miserable failed to impress
upon your audience an ounce of intelligence.. in all the multitude of post
that you posted on the SCB. Most are tidbits and hardly shows an
understanding of the inner working of society. Maybe your sheltered life
has not given you the intelligence and instinct to understand the dynamics
of human thought and society. Anyway, your lack of experience is one of
the main reasons that I hate posting replys to your postings. Of the
course the other reason is that I donot like you. HAHAAHAHAHAHA.......
Now comming to the thread of communal posting.
Your friend has yet to furnish the source on which he made that outlandish
remark about BNP. How are we supposed to know that Calcutta online
actually published such a news. The possiblity that dasgupta fabricated
the entire thing to tarnish BNP can not be neglected. Then comes the
question how authenticate is the news from calcutta online. Everybody
knows how TN claimed that she never said and statemen claimed what she
said. The Hindu media in WB is always trying to destabilize BD. That
should be obvious to any Bangladeshi.
From posting of other poster it is quite obvious that his posting was
based on erronous information and his intent was to misleed. THe burden of
proof that he indeed had no intention to misleed is upon him. Without any
proof he jumped to the conclusion that it must be BNP.
Why is it BNP. Why can't it be JP, or JI or even AL.
The reason is that he was thinking like a hindu, I wouldnot say communal
but something very close. To me a communal is a person who knows the
truth but suppresses it to make his religion or party appear right. That
is exactly what dasgupta has done, suppressed facts to make it appear that
his AL party was right even though he is aware of the obvious facts.
As for all the heap of condemenation and abuse that you have called upon
and your loyal chamchas have delivered, the fact still remains AL equates
to hindu and BNP equates to muslim, most netters would agree to this.
It is not a situition created by BNP, but by the hindus in BD themselves.
If the hindus were any smarter they would have spread their numbers in
both parties and try to influence the decisions from within. Instead they
have choosen AL , which even if they try to will not be allowed by BNP
which consideres hindus a vote bank of the AL. The hindus in Bangladesh
are following the wrong strategy by hinding behind you and AL.
But people like dasgupta only look at it from their view point not the
view point for a common hindu who has no money to immigrate to WB and
therefore has to live with the muslim and their weird whim like
slaughtering mother cow in thousands on the eid festival, etc. BNP with it
large base of support can make life very difficult with the political
slogans and their agenda for these common poeple who have to live with the
muslims and their political agenda. And things like dasgupta's comments
make it worse. But dasgupta doesnot care, he is a freaking brahmin in his
ivory tower feeling good that all his politically correct friends are
trying to help him get out of mess that he himself started.
The responsiblity of proof that he didnot start it intentionally is on
him. Based on his posting , calling him a "a freaking hindu thinking with
his dick" is not inappropriate. I see no reason to retract what I have
said.
As for you naeem, grow up or is it grow some intelligence, or you could go
to mariam, where she will stick a milk bottle in your mouth and read you a
souped up stupid persian tale that she rewrote by shuffling some names and
has a suble morale that a person needs a cray to decipher.
the big bad wolf
wolf's lair.
In article <3316E6...@homebox.com>,
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@homebox.com> wrote:
>Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
>> The point here is that hindus in Bangladesh always support AL no matter
>> what.
>
>Sounds like the "Blacks always vote Democrat" logic..
>
>Even if it is true, how does it justify:
>
>"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"
>
>Note:
>
>Pro-AL post is not = anti-Muslim post
>
>So, how is your anti-Hindu post justified?
>
>> One can see very clearly that his main target was BNP and what it
>> represents the urban and city muslim....
>
>So, AL, Jatiyo Party, Jamaat does not represent "urban/city muslim"?
>
>> I retract none of what I have said, and see no reason for that.
>
>No, of course not.
>
>> Dasgupta is a hindu, think like a hindu acts on hindu reflexes
>
>Which justifies:
>"Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick"?
>
>> As for dasgupta " Islam....relegion", he is putting on a show.
>
>You're a mind-reader as well.
>
>> After the dust settles down, the readers will hopefully see that it is not
>> in everybody's interest to just merge two distinct different society into
>> one.
>
Mohummad Alauddin
Mr Mostafa:
Re: After AL come to power the first thing
that the PM does is visit India.
I think the PM visited China well before visiting India. You might care
to check.
M Alauddin
In article <5f57rv$g...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, kmms...@pitt.edu
says...
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <5f4bnu$h...@dewey.udel.edu>,
Zunaid Kazi <ka...@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu> wrote:
>Offourse? It's not natural, it's pathetic and vile to stoop to bigotry
>to counter bigotry. Prejudice and bigotry is *not* the mark of a good
>Muslim.
>Zunaid Kazi ka...@asel.udel.edu (or @cis or @strauss)
>AI, HCI and Robotics http://www.asel.udel.edu/~kazi/
>ASEL http://www.asel.udel.edu/~kazi/bangladesh/
Ara Zunaid vazi,
Nice of you to drop by,
So how was your safari through the dark wild jungles of africa.
Have youn been able to track down the elusive G spot or is it like bigfoot
--- you hear but never see !
Any way nice to see you back......:)
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <5f8a78$vak$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
Mohummad Alauddin <alau...@valinor.commerce.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>I think the PM visited China well before visiting India. You might care
>to check.
>M Alauddin
You check it out and let me know.
Can't you see I have my hands full..
I have war on two front. eastern front with pseudo secular AL liars
and the western front with neo unionist keybaord bashing tongue twisting
Wb bengalis suffering from delusion of grandeur of bangla unification...
lots of casulties on both sides, but I think I have a better startegy
I SHALL WIN........foriegn countries have assured me of their support.
If worse comes to worse, I will attack all their intellectuals and
professors.. and cripple them for life, Yahaya khab and Zullifikar Ali
Bhutta has informed me that it work.....
the big bad wolf.
Command Post : wolf lair
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <3317D5...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>Please click on the following html code:
>http://133.86.104.22/sourav/calonline/calframe.html
>and go to news for 22 February.
>I quote Calonline again:
>(For unbiased conscientious readers:
people in the whole of bengal both WB and BD. I will start with zero and
increment it by one when I find one, Ok....counting ...counting .....
counting ......................................................finished
the grand total is " ZERO". There is no such person that fits your
description.. Of course you knew that, but still mput on a show..
Alright i guess I must clapp my hands CLAPP..Clapp.................
Good show.........................................................
>Please note: Once again I assert
> that my post was not motivated by any political agenda. Had it been AL
>or JI or JP, I'd have been equally vocal in my protest)
Ahaaaaaa.... I am getting a little frustrated at your apparent lack of
skills. I expected a little better than this amarteurish logic....
The posting in cal online had no quoyed source. It was just something put
to make their web site look good. It did not quoate any news agnecy.
Bdonline new on the other hand usually quaotes their news source. Quoating
a news without it's source is the same thing as fabrication of lies.
This must have been obvious to you. It was obvious to me the first time I
saw it, and assuming that you have more intelligence than I have you must
have realized that the moment you saw that article. Yet you madew an
outlandish remark to achieve your political end. Again I must say this
that it is you who is communal, becasue you dilberatly suppressed
information and twisted it to make it fit your agenda of destabilization.
Such attempts are to be condemned in the most forceful language.
dasgupta, you will achieve very little by attcking BNP or the BD muslim.
AS they say, it is not wise to leave a tiger out of the equation specially
if the tiger lives next door. You will have to accomodate BNP and what it
represents and such brutish remarks will not get you anywhere.
A good start would be to apologize for the remark. Then we can negiotate
the terms of your reentry to the Bangladeshi society. Otherwise you will
always be an outcast, shouting a lot but never being taken seriously.
Udayan Chattopadhyay
In article <5f8qdf$9...@clarion.carno.net.au>, ma...@ncds.anu.edu.au says...
>
>In article <5f8a78$vak$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
> alau...@valinor.commerce.uq.edu.au (Mohummad Alauddin) wrote:
>>
>>Mr Mostafa:
>>
>>Re: After AL come to power the first thing
>>that the PM does is visit India.
>>
>>
>>I think the PM visited China well before visiting India. You might care
>>to check.
>>
>>M Alauddin
>
>didn't however have any political agenda.
>Thanks
>Manir
Hasina's first trip abroad (with a large delegation of businessmen) was to S
Arabia. This did not stop the usual cacophony when she went to Delhi
shouting about how "Bharot-e keno eto baar jete hoy, amader poradhin kortey
chay etc"
Udayan Chattopadhyay
Naeem Mohaiemen does not need others to speak up for him - his posts on
this newsgroup and on others have consistently been, irrespective of
whether one agrees with his viewpoint, objective, well argued, well
documented, articulate, sensitive, not to mention highly entertaining. All
these demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that Naeem is not only very
knowledgable, but also highly intelligent. That takes a lot of convincing
for people such as myself who have never met him or spoken to him.
(Apologies, Naeem, jodi apnake embarrass korchi).
You can't just randomly come up with insults, fail to back even the
non-personalised ones, and expect to get away with it; having said that,
that is perfectly consistent with your outrageous style.
In article <5f85en$s...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, kmms...@pitt.edu says...
>
>Naeem,
>Since you are the most vocal of my critics, I guess I must take the time
>to unmask you and your view points.
Like I said, Naeem is pretty transparent :) Doesn't need you to unmask him
>According to your claim, you were a student of economics at DU.
>Q. How did you get in. I always dreamed of getting in but never could
>What is the magic here, cheated on the exam, your relative was the dean
or
You dream quite a lot, it seems. On the basis of your posts on this
newsgroup to date, I don't think I would welcome you into any educational
institution I had anything to do with, particularly if, like DU, it had
any intellectual standards (cf objectivity, intellectual curiosity, etc,
your lack of which is well demonstrated by "another freaking *whatever*
thinking with his dick"). Oh, and by the way, you forgot to mention that
Naeem also got into one of the USA's highest ranked institutions, because
of his father, uncle (Sam perhaps?) etc.
>claims to have been a student of DU you have miserable failed to impress
>upon your audience an ounce of intelligence.. in all the multitude of
post
>that you posted on the SCB.
Thank God you don't speak for the majority even though you claim to -
about anything, really.
Of the
>course the other reason is that I donot like you. HAHAAHAHAHAHA.......
>
With every line you write, you further demonstrate your lack of
imagination.
>Now comming to the thread of communal posting.
>Your friend has yet to furnish the source on which he made that
outlandish
>remark about BNP. How are we supposed to know that Calcutta online
>actually published such a news. The possiblity that dasgupta fabricated
>the entire thing to tarnish BNP can not be neglected.
Maybe. Why start personal attacks, communal attacks, etc.? Put that energy
into uncovering evidence.
>Why is it BNP. Why can't it be JP, or JI or even AL.
>The reason is that he was thinking like a hindu,
Excuse me? Ignoring "Hindu" grievances against the AL for the moment, how
many Hindus do you know who would side with Jamaat given a choice between
the BNP?
>As for all the heap of condemenation and abuse that you have called upon
>and your loyal chamchas have delivered, the fact still remains AL equates
>to hindu and BNP equates to muslim, most netters would agree to this.
So, the 33% + of Bangladeshi voters who elected the AL to power, the 33% +
of Bangladeshis who voted for AL in 1991, the 75% + who voted for AL in
1970, etc are Hindus?
>But dasgupta doesnot care, he is a freaking brahmin in his
>ivory tower feeling good that all his politically correct friends are
>trying to help him get out of mess that he himself started.
Cf your very extensive knowledge on the matter, or rather lack of it
(obvious from the quality of your argument and posts) and Naeem having
corrected you on this, and my having posted an (unfortunately jocular -
apologies to those who were offended) article on this, why do you still
refer to Mr Dasgupta as a Brahmin. It's not that it makes any difference
to your argument (does a Brahmin vote for the AL have any different value
for your communal sentiments compared to a non-Brahmin one?)
>Based on his posting , calling him a "a freaking hindu thinking with
>his dick" is not inappropriate.
Again and again ... I am amazed at how publicly you are prepared to
demonstrate your complete lack of any intellectual strength.
>I see no reason to retract what I have said.
>
Doesn't surprise me ...
>As for you naeem, grow up or is it grow some intelligence, or you could
go
>to mariam, where she will stick a milk bottle in your mouth and read you
a
>souped up stupid persian tale that she rewrote by shuffling some names
and
>has a suble morale that a person needs a cray to decipher.
More personalised attacks ... why did you need to bother? Your debating
skills based on your superior knowledge, intellect, etc were winning
massive points for you anyway ... Usually, subtlety does not need a "cray
to decipher", unless ... (ami-o ektu subtle hotey cheshta korlam)
>
>the big bad wolf
>wolf's lair.
>
Udayan Chattopadhyay
Mohommod Khan
I saw some of the anti-hinduism and some anti-islam related talk in this
news group which is really diasgusting. So far I know Islam never
tolarates disrespect to other religion. I am not saying it because just
I ama muslim, What I mean that all of us, whohas the oppertunity to use
this net should have that tollerance. We should look at the histry of
India /Pakistan. Muslims and Hindus stood together to fight for the
independency for the country. So why like it now?
I know the descrimination in India against the Muslims are known to all.
But who is going to change it? Obviously all of us (Muslims+Hindues.).We
should have good solutions for it.
One more thing, this net would do much better if we use it for
Bangladeshi news instead of "kada chora churi..."
Feel free to reply.
***********************************************************
Soumitra Bose
> represents and such brutish remarks will not get you anywhere.
>
> A good start would be to apologize for the remark. Then we can negiotate
> the terms of your reentry to the Bangladeshi society. Otherwise you will
> always be an outcast, shouting a lot but never being taken seriously.
>
>
>
> wolf's lair.
Daarun Somikoron to !!!! BNP=BD muslims . Thik erokomi ekta somikoron
Yahyah korbar prochesta korechilo . Mussalman=Razakar Paki &
Muktijodha=Hindu . Seta kotodur dNaralo???
Syed A. Yousuf
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
> Naeem,
> Since you are the most vocal of my critics, I guess I must take the time
> to unmask you and your view points.
>
> According to your claim, you were a student of economics at DU.
> Q. How did you get in. I always dreamed of getting in but never could
> What is the magic here, cheated on the exam, your relative was the dean or
> maybe the VC was your MAMA, or maybe your dad was one of those powerful
> secretarties whoses sense of duty to the nation was best symbolized by Dr.
> Alamgir and of course so uncoruptable that he has only a couple of houses
> in Gulsun. The other reason could be that DU has awfully poor standards
Why/how did you assume all this? Just wondering! (any/all of the assumed
reasons might be true on the other hand none of them might be) Does
mixing facts with your own ideas/experiences give you more credibility?
Or does this equating evils with your enemy make you feel better?
> which is very hard to accept. That bring it back to you. For a guy who
> claims to have been a student of DU you have miserable failed to impress
> upon your audience an ounce of intelligence.. in all the multitude of post
> that you posted on the SCB. Most are tidbits and hardly shows an
> understanding of the inner working of society. Maybe your sheltered life
> has not given you the intelligence and instinct to understand the dynamics
> of human thought and society. Anyway, your lack of experience is one of
> the main reasons that I hate posting replys to your postings. Of the
> course the other reason is that I donot like you. HAHAAHAHAHAHA.......
>
>
> Now comming to the thread of communal posting.
> Your friend has yet to furnish the source on which he made that outlandish
> remark about BNP. How are we supposed to know that Calcutta online
An inteligent (!) person like you should know how to browse the net.
> actually published such a news. The possiblity that dasgupta fabricated
> the entire thing to tarnish BNP can not be neglected. Then comes the
Cal online published the story, not S. Dasgupta, so the possibility of
the later fabricaitng does not count.
> question how authenticate is the news from calcutta online. Everybody
> knows how TN claimed that she never said and statemen claimed what she
> said. The Hindu media in WB is always trying to destabilize BD. That
> should be obvious to any Bangladeshi.
>
An interesting myth! (not saying it's somewhat true or false)
> From posting of other poster it is quite obvious that his posting was
> based on erronous information and his intent was to misleed. THe burden of
> proof that he indeed had no intention to misleed is upon him. Without any
> proof he jumped to the conclusion that it must be BNP.
>
> Why is it BNP. Why can't it be JP, or JI or even AL.
> The reason is that he was thinking like a hindu, I wouldnot say communal
> but something very close. To me a communal is a person who knows the
> truth but suppresses it to make his religion or party appear right. That
And to many of us, 'communal' are those who hurt others in order to
defend their own faith, religion. (though there are many way to do such,
the macho-sadistics choose to hurt)
> is exactly what dasgupta has done, suppressed facts to make it appear that
> his AL party was right even though he is aware of the obvious facts.
>
If I hear you right, is AL totally opposite of BNP?
> As for all the heap of condemenation and abuse that you have called upon
> and your loyal chamchas have delivered, the fact still remains AL equates
> to hindu and BNP equates to muslim, most netters would agree to this.
Thinking in your way, I can understand what you mean by AL equates to
'Hindu' but I am sorry, I don't agree with the later part. BNP does not
equate to 'muslim'. It has failed miserably to attract all the muslims.
(among whom many are resonably sane) You can comfortably leave JI out of
the question. Again I assume that a person with such profound knowledge
of social dynamics, inner workings and experience can guess why so.
> It is not a situition created by BNP, but by the hindus in BD themselves.
> If the hindus were any smarter they would have spread their numbers in
> both parties and try to influence the decisions from within. Instead they
Again I am surprised that a person with such profound knowledge of
social dynamics and experience like you would make a comment like this.
It all depends on who addresses the concerns. People are motivated by
parties/ideologies. It is BNP who failed to attract
'hindus'.(Considering hindus as people/human beings, it reminds me of
many other exclusive ideologies)
[del]
>
> The responsiblity of proof that he didnot start it intentionally is on
> him. Based on his posting , calling him a "a freaking hindu thinking with
> his dick" is not inappropriate. I see no reason to retract what I have
> said.
>
Just how would you feel if you are labled the same in reverse. (then
again I recall the proverb/phrase 'orronney rodon')
[del]
> the big bad wolf
> wolf's lair.
Syed A. Yousuf
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Thank you very much for your nice and good-hearted call. I am ready to
join you.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
Manir
In article <5f8a78$vak$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
alau...@valinor.commerce.uq.edu.au (Mohummad Alauddin) wrote:
>
>
>Re: After AL come to power the first thing
>that the PM does is visit India.
>
>
>I think the PM visited China well before visiting India. You might care
>to check.
>
>M Alauddin
Sharad Chandra
I think the bitch went to India first to get laid; then went to Mecca to
repent the oral stuff .....
Manir <ma...@ncds.anu.edu.au> wrote in article
<5f8qdf$9...@clarion.carno.net.au>...
> In article <5f8a78$vak$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
> alau...@valinor.commerce.uq.edu.au (Mohummad Alauddin) wrote:
> >
> >Mr Mostafa:
> >
> >Re: After AL come to power the first thing
> >that the PM does is visit India.
>
Naeem Mohaiemen
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>Then we can negiotate the terms of your reentry to the Bangladeshi society.
"We"?
he's welcome in my house, don't think he wants to to yours.
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
_____________________________________________________
Everyone's your friend in New York City
And everything looks beautiful when you're young and pretty
The streets are paved with diamond and there's just so much to see
-They Might Be Giants
______________________________________________________
Naeem Mohaiemen
Manir wrote:
> So far I remember her first foreign travel was to Mecca for Omrah. This
> didn't however have any political agenda.
Omrah was before election.
Official trip to S Arabia after election was when where Fahd said
"Saudi, Bangladeshi are one nation."
[indeed... sure the laborers in SA feel that way :-) ]
DR KAMAL HASAN
Naeem,
Why are you propagating so much anti-saudi slander on the SCB (although I
myself am not a pro-saudi myself)?
Saudia Arabia is not a perfect country, however, one cannot deny the aid
Bangladesh receives from them. Therefore, I suggest you show a little
gratitude for what little good it does.
Atleast these 'labourers' have a job thanks to them (Saudia's and for
your bit of information a great many are doing well financially as a
result.
Fahd ibn AbdulAziz may have said "Saudi and Bangladesh are one nation" on
the grounds of religion, i.e. all Muslims are a brother/sister of one
another, If this was his reason then I also agree.
--------------
DR KAMAL HASAN
Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
PSAHA
You cry, cry and cry.......
(Sorry can't resist myself, tried to stay away from this filthy debate)
rchow...@aspensys.com
Wolf,
You have sever shortage of braincells. And your lack of knowledge allows
you to make assumptions and conclusions like....
>I donot like you. HAHAAHAHAHAHA.......
I don't think he(Naeem) was trying to impress you. And if you are not his
friend, what would it matter to him if you liked him of hated him...he
ain't your freind.
> The reason is that he was thinking like a hindu, I wouldnot say communal
> but something very close.
Your lack of knowledge about Hinduism or Hindus is not surprising. You
should read more before you make comments like this. Only ignorent
people would make comment like this.
> As for all the heap of condemenation and abuse that you have called upon
> and your loyal chamchas have delivered, the fact still remains AL equates
> to hindu and BNP equates to muslim, most netters would agree to this.
How did you conclude this. And which netters are agreeing with you. This
only shows how STUPIDITY plays a big role in your life!
> If the hindus were any smarter .......The hindus in Bangladesh
> are following the wrong strategy by hinding behind you and AL.
Now you are trying to tell Hindus in BD what to do after saying all these
rude things about them. YOU MUST BE STUPID!!!
In conclusion, you make stupid assumptions and it does not serve any
constructive purpose other than satisfying your hallow self. Gain more
knowledge, and you may feel different about yourself and the world.
Rashad Chowdhury
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M. Harun uz Zaman
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
> In article <3315D1...@osu.edu>,
> M. Harun uz Zaman <harunuz...@osu.edu> wrote:
> > Let us get the facts straight.
> > The anti-Hindu post by Mr. Mostafa was NOT in response to any
> > anti-Muslim post.
> Since you put forward your facts let me put forward my.
> If you will read his orginal post it was directed aganist BNP.
It was. And it was wrong of Mr. Dasgupta to attack a political party
without
more substantiation, and more verification of his information.
> Here for those who seems to overlook the obvious the majority of the
> Hindu population and that of WB supports AL. Hindus in Bangladesh vote in
> mass for AL. Hindus in WB love AL.
I know Hindus support AL, for reasons some of which may be right and
some of
which may be wrong. Minorities in every country tend to choose a
political
party which is perceived to be their ally. Muslims in India
overwhelmingly
support Congress, and blacks in the U.S. overwhelmingly support the
Democratic
Party.
> After AL come to power the first thing
> that the PM does is visit India.
She also visited China and Saudi Arabia. I am not sure she visited
India first.
Anyway the sequence does not make any difference. If you think she is
batting
for India, she could do it without visiting India. You are like
Soumitra Bose
who criticized Sheikh Hasina for visiting Saudi Arabia. Meeting the
leaders of
other countries is a part of the job of a leader.
> PM get the netaji award for safegaurding
> democrarcy,
I would not give SH that award if I had any say in who gets the award.
>
> The point here is that hindus in Bangladesh always support AL no matter
> what. They seem to have forgotten that Ershad staged managed the mock
> riot and is a and has been a partner of SH and AL. No such occurance under
> BNP, yet they seem to be blind followers of AL. All post by hindu posters
> in the SCB are also pro AL and anti BNP.
Have you ever heard the expression, "politics makes strange
bedfellows?"
As for Hindus supporting AL, see my comments above. They have every
right
to do that, and can also be criticized for doing that. But that does
not justify
attacking and ridiculing their religious faith.
>>
> > His anti-Hindu post was in response to a post
> > about Ekushey February. The original post had nothing to do with
> > Islam and Hinduism.
> Of course, it was in response to Ekushey, but had everything to do with
> islam and hindu.
No, it did not.
> the orginal posting was absolutely misleading and
> intentionally glossed over. There is yet no proof that such a incidence
> actually occured at the shahid minar. He is yet to qoute any source in
> defence of his claim.
That makes it an unsubstantiated claim, not an anti-Muslim post.
> The next thing he automatically deduced that it was
> BNP. One could claim that BNP is opposition, but there are many other
> parties in opposition, yet he chose only BNP.
Nobody stopped you or anybody else from pointing out his bias, without
attacking a religious faith.
>
> > I have frequently responded to bigotted anti-Muslim posts, and am
> > currently on a thread that says BD has a worse record of anti-minority
> > discrimination than India. Others on SCB who have responded,
> >and frequently respond, to anti-Muslim posts include Dr. Shakil
> >Ahmed,
> > Dr. Saleh Tanveer, Abdullah Faizur Rahman, Akhtar Hossain, Hassan
> > Alam, Shaad Ahmed and Dr. Bilayet Hossain (please see his recent post
> > on the issue of "53 year old person marrying a 9 year old girl").
>
> what, blowing your own trumpets....
> Please keep the self praise for your private audience....
> something like your wife, dog, etc.................
I can get into serious trouble praising myself to my wife. I do not
have a dog.
I tried to sing self-praise to a dog once. You do not want to hear
what happened
next. I thought I would try the same thing on an wolf but no better
luck there.
> > It is particularly unfortunate that Mr. Mostafa chooses to call
> > Shoumyo Dasgupta "a freaking Hindu thinking with his ...." when
> > Mr. Dasgupta once wrote that "Islam is the most beautiful religion."
> I retract none of what I have said, and see no reason for that.
> Dasgupta is a hindu, think like a hindu acts on hindu reflexes,
If you mean nobody can overcome their inbred biases, you are right.
That is
true of you and me too. That does not mean we cannot sincerely hold
opinions
that are contrary to biases we are born with, or are conditioned into
absorbing.
> As for dasgupta " Islam....relegion", he is putting on a show. I
> donot beleive him. He will stick a knife if he gets a chance.
Unless you convince me you are an expert mind reader, I have to
dismiss your
opinion as another expression of bigotry.
> After the dust settles down, the readers will hopefully see that it is not
> in everybody's interest to just merge two distinct different society into
> one.
I do not support unification of two Bengals, as I have indicated in
many of
my previous posts.
> Although the people of bengal are homogenious as far as race is
> considered culturally and most importantly relgion wise the two bengal
> are diameterically opposite, especially in our context where religion is
> THE most important factor in the life our society. The suspicion with
> which we view eacvh other is very deep rooted and of course based on
> happening in the past. It is best to have a hindu WB and a muslim BD.
My reasons for opposing unification are slightly different than yours
but that
is something we can discuss later.
> We keep out of each business and not pass value judgement on happening in
> other backyard.
That is generally a good idea. But we should not restrict the passing
of opinions
that cut across political boundaries in this day and age.
> I am saying this after of course weighing the economic value of closer
> ties with WB and India.
Assessing the economic value of closer ties is something that requires
more complex analysis than we can do on the SCB. Closer ties with
India may bring both economic
gains and losses. One cannot claim that such ties will bring unmixed
economic blessings.
> I think what ever benefit that we can derive from
> such a cooperation will be greatly overshadowed by the political
> instability which our country can ill afford.
It all depends on the form and the extent of the cooperation. No
general statements,
such as those you made, are likely to be valid.
>
> I am of the opinion that , a young desh on the streets of dhaka wants a
> different identity than a being of the same sub species of the most
> backward group of india. We can do better than that and if the WB people
> change their mentality they can do much better than India. I haven't the
> faintest doubt of their abilities.
You are making a bigotted statement ("backward people") and then
complimenting
the people of WB on "their abilities." Brings me back to the original
question:
Are you a bigot or are you putting on an act?
> As always
> the big bad wolf
> wolf's lair
Would you also like to be the brainy wolf who keeps his foot out of
his mouth?
Best wishes.
Khan...@khank.wrc.xerox.com
In Article<331721...@us.oracle.com>, <zrk...@us.oracle.com> writes:
> Path: rocksanne!parc!nntp-hub.barrnet.net!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news
> From: Zeeshan Khan <zrk...@us.oracle.com>
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
> Subject: BNP rampage at Shahid Minar
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:17:48 -0800
>
> I doubt the veracity of the claims made by Calcutta Online regarding
> BNP's vandalism at the Shahid Minar. I was in Dhaka during the
> period(just got back to the US). In fact I was present at the Shahid
> Minar premises when Khaleda Zia's entourage arrived there and the
> microphone announced her laying of floral wreaths at the Minar. I was on
> my way out from there, but if Calcutta Online's claims are true, then at
> least I would have heard the resulting hue and cry. Also, the
> Awami-League leaning newspapers in Dhaka would pounce on the opportunity
> to announce Khaleda's entourage defiling the Shahid Minar. Nothing of
> the sort was mentioned as far as I know.
>
> - Zeeshan Khan
> (disclaimer: personal opinions only)
Exactly!. While I wasn't in Dhaka, I requested confirmation of this incident
from a Bangladesh embassy official, quoting the Calcutta paper news. This
person informed me that, per official info sent to the embassies, there was no
mention of such an incident, and nothing related was brought up for discussion
in the Sangsad. Now, with a not-so-friendly relationship between AL and BNP, I
would have expected a HUGE uproar in the Sangsad against BNP by AL govt. and
its members, JP members etc!
Thus, this posting plus what I learnt makes me conclude the Calcutta news as
being unsubstantiated, unproven and baseless. Now it is possible that while KZ
was at the Minar, some disorderly group(s) of people for unrelated reasons got
into a melee there. Some reporter/wire service etc could take the story and
put a spin to it without regards to its authenticity.
I'd be highly disturbed to hear that any political/non political party group
or org would by design or even accident, carry out such a desecration
publicly, given that the Language Movement is one of the very few unifying &
revered events in the history of Bangladesh! Even if there is no en masse
display strong emotions and sentiments, as I've personally experienced in the
past!
Regards
Khan Kabir
Soumitra Bose
I never remember criticisizing HAsina for visiting Saudi Arabia ...
I expressed my utter disgust to the fact that before the election HAsina
could not find a place in BAngladesh for the meeting of the central
decision making plenum , she had to arrange it in Saudi Arabia , the
MAyor of Chattogram went there to meet her and it was in Saudi (I guess
in Mecca ) that she organized to hold the AL plenum .First of all this
was very unethical for at least a believing muslim to use MECCA as a
place to undertake political activities during the HAjj time and then it
was not right to hold a plenum meeting of AL when she was given the
honour of a state guest of Saudi Govt and all her collegues and comrades
were not given that opportunity .
Secondly the concept of sovereignty of a country , I guess is most hurt
when the whole incumbent party chooses a different country as a meeting
spot of the highest authority.
Of Course after this Khaleda made so many trips at the drop of the hat ,
with and without her coteries .So Saudi has now become a sort of second
capital for Bangladesh's internal politics ,that is what I opposed ...
How Would i Feel , if any political party of India chooses any foreign
country as the spot for their plenary session????
How many times Pakistan's political parties do such things ,even in the
face of life-threats ??????
Doesn't this special BAngladeshee phenomenon is a bit un-usual??????
Shabbir A. Bashar
ra...@scs.leeds.ac.uk (Mohammad A. Rahin) wrote:
>I have just got back from Bangladesh. Many newspapers (Ittefaq and Janakantha
>for sure) carried news about the panadamonium (sp?) and mess caused by a
>number of BNP supporters at the Sahid Minar. I have brought some BD newspapers
>with me. I am not sure if any of those have the above news coverage. I'll look
>for it. Hope this settles the veracity of the report from Calcutta Online that
>triggered this thread.
>
>- Rahin
Dear Dr. Rahin,
Thank you for your post on SCB. Unfortunately, your observations contradict
those made by Zeeshan Khan (now in CA) who states that not only does he live
nearby the Shahid Minaar, but also that he was present when the leader of the
opposition was paying her respect to the Martyrs; please read his post to
SCB.
There is another post suggesting that Bangladesh Embassy (in US ?) did not
confirm any such report. I myself have been in touch with our mission in
London and they have not confirmed the allegations made by Calcutta Online.
As I said before, having read two Bangladeshi newspapers with extensive
reportage on the events of 21st February 1997 (one in Bangla and the other
in English), I found no reference to such an event.
Also, one would expect at the very least some sort of outcry in Sangsad if
there had been any such despotic action at the revered Shahid Minaar. Some
12 days later, I have seen none - neither on online news servers desiminating
from Bangladesh nor on the UK based Bangla newspapers.
To be honest, the balance of probability suggests that either no such
pandemonium took place or even if it did, it is hard to link it with an
endorsement from the leader of the opposition as many reactionary posts
on SCB sought to indicate. Therefore, the finger of malicious intent points
elsewhere. I stand by my condemnation of any attempt of subbotage of one
of our most revered national days and also extend that condemnation to
those who have willfully sought to launch a smear campaign without a sound
basis.
I await a clarification from yourself and Zeeshan.
Shabbir A. Bashar
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Dear SCBites,<p>
In my attempts at trying to find the truth behind the "pandemonium"
at the Shahid Minaar on the 21st February 1997, I have been sent the
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Shoumyo Dasgupta
From Dr. Bashar's research (thanks to his unbiased inquiry and report -
no rabid supporter would ever do such a thing), two things are clear:
1. There was SOME disturbance in Shahid Minar, caused by BNP.
2. Bangladeshi newspapers DO CALL the Shahid Minar "POBITRO", or holy.
Well, Mostafa-bhai, is the newspaper acting on a "hindu" reflex ?
Once again, let me re-emphasize that my post was NOT intended to "smear"
the image of BNP due to any pre-conceived bias; had this been AL or any
other party, I'd have equally protested and condemned, as I continue to
do, with all my passion.
Regards,
Shoumyo Dasgupta
naeem.m...@homebox.com
In article <
5f85en$s...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
kmms...@pitt.edu (Khondakar M
Mostafa) wrote:
>
> Naeem,
> According to your claim, you were a student of economics at DU.
> Q. How did you get in.
Entrance exam.
>For a guy who
> claims to have been a student of DU you have miserable failed to impress
> upon your audience an ounce of intelligence.. in all the multitude of post
> that you posted on the SCB.
I am sure DU will snatch away any
affiliation once the word reaches them. :-)
>Most are tidbits and hardly shows an
> understanding of the inner working of society.
Yes. To understand the inner working, I
would have to say: "another freaking hindu
thinking with his dick"
>Maybe your sheltered life
> has not given you the intelligence and instinct to understand the dynamics
> of human thought and society.
Pretty sheltered. I was taught to respect all
my Hindu, Christian, Buddhist friends, and
not to call them "freaking". Chakma
friends came later, but again no phallic
references.
>Anyway, your lack of experience is one of
> the main reasons that I hate posting replys to your postings.
My loss.
>Of the
> course the other reason is that I donot like you. HAHAAHAHAHAHA.......
That's ok. You don't have to.
> Your friend has yet to furnish the source on which he made that outlandish
> remark about BNP.
The URL for Calcutta Online was actually
in the original post.
>How are we supposed to know that Calcutta online
> actually published such a news.
By reading the post, carefully.
>The possiblity that dasgupta fabricated
> the entire thing to tarnish BNP can not be neglected.
Possible that CO fabricated, but not
Dasgupta.
>Then comes the
> question how authenticate is the news from calcutta online.
Yes. So you should write a letter to CO.
Why are you saying to Shoumyo:
"another freaking hindu thinking with his
dick"?
> From posting of other poster it is quite obvious that his posting was
> based on erronous information and his intent was to misleed.
Untrue. I just posted a JANAKANTHA
report which confirms that incident. CO
may have exaggerated, but it did happen.
> Why is it BNP. Why can't it be JP, or JI or even AL.
Can be, has been (in other years). Usually a
function of who's in opposition.
> The reason is that he was thinking like a hindu
Because he posted something from CO?
>To me a communal is a person who knows the
> truth but suppresses it to make his religion or party appear right.
Also someone who says:
"another freaking hindu thinking with his
dick"
> As for all the heap of condemenation and abuse that you have called upon
> and your loyal chamchas have delivered,
Yes, all is my invisible kalo-hath. :-)
Many of the netters who bashed you have
also bashed me on other ocassions. They
would be amused to hear themselves called
"Naeem er chamcha" :-)
>the fact still remains AL equates
> to hindu and BNP equates to muslim, most netters would agree to this.
> It is not a situition created by BNP, but by the hindus in BD themselves.
Perhaps because of BNP's past policy?
> If the hindus were any smarter they would have spread their numbers in
> both parties and try to influence the decisions from within.
Perhaps. That is their loss.
How does that justify:
"another freaking hindu thinking with his
dick"
>BNP with it
> large base of support can make life very difficult with the political
> slogans and their agenda for these common poeple who have to live with the
> muslims and their political agenda.
Is that a threat?
And you wonder why Hindus don't vote
BNP?
>And things like dasgupta's comments
> make it worse.
Things like:"another freaking hindu
thinking with his dick"
make it better?
>Based on his posting , calling him a "a freaking hindu thinking with
> his dick" is not inappropriate. I see no reason to retract what I have
> said.
Indeed.
> As for you naeem, grow up or is it grow some intelligence
If it means being communal Hindu-hater
like you, no thanks.
--Naeem Mohaiemen
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <331BC2...@ix.netcom.com>,
Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I never remember criticisizing HAsina for visiting Saudi Arabia ...
will.
>
>I expressed my utter disgust to the fact that before the election HAsina
>could not find a place in BAngladesh for the meeting of the central
>decision making plenum , she had to arrange it in Saudi Arabia , the
>MAyor of Chattogram went there to meet her and it was in Saudi (I guess
>in Mecca ) that she organized to hold the AL plenum .First of all this
>was very unethical for at least a believing muslim to use MECCA as a
>place to undertake political activities during the HAjj time and then it
>was not right to hold a plenum meeting of AL when she was given the
>honour of a state guest of Saudi Govt and all her collegues and comrades
>were not given that opportunity .
What is your problem. You are not a BDis so, what is your freaking
problem if she conducts it in SA or the freaking moon. This is crux of my
anger, foreign citizens donot have the right to pass judgement on the
political affairs of a soverign nation. Stick to your fraking knittting
Your intention are transparaent to everybody -- distabilization of BD and
your employeer is RAW.
>Secondly the concept of sovereignty of a country , I guess is most hurt
>when the whole incumbent party chooses a different country as a meeting
>spot of the highest authority.
Again what the hell is your problem. I donot tell critize your jyoti bose
going to a cat house in Thailand. What the political party of one country
does is internal to that country and only subject to discussion and
criticism by it's citizen.
>
>Of Course after this Khaleda made so many trips at the drop of the hat ,
>with and without her coteries .So Saudi has now become a sort of second
>capital for Bangladesh's internal politics ,that is what I opposed ...
Better than than calcutta that for sure..., better civic amenities...
>
>How Would i Feel , if any political party of India chooses any foreign
>country as the spot for their plenary session????
Feel whatever way you want to feel, feel fucked , feel screwed, feel doped
feel like a bastard , take your pick...
anyway why are you sharing this
with us, we have no interest in this and your stupid freaking feelings.
>
>How many times Pakistan's political parties do such things ,even in the
>face of life-threats ??????
And the connection here is .........
Ohopsssss I forget soumitra doesnot need a connection he can randomly
peice thing together and make it a master piece that we at SCB are forced
to swoLlow.
>
>Doesn't this special BAngladeshee phenomenon is a bit un-usual??????
So, it is a BDis phenomena, WHat is your problem..........
Soumitra , just pissing in the wind ha....
Keep it up.
The Big bad wolf
wolf's lair
Nasirul I Chowdhury
Biman Board's ground rules grounded
All is not well with Biman, Bangladesh Airlines. In these days of
decentralization and autonomy,the governmental noose is tightening
around its neck, as if to mock at the policy of liberalization
and market economy. Its operational autonomy is minimal, almost
non-existent. At a time when government-controlled or owned airlines are
being privatized or their control is being loosened and domestic skies
are being increasingly opened to private airlines, the country's
national airline is steadily coming under the control of the government.
Such control manifested itself in the most crude form on February 25
when a new record was set by promoting four general managers as
directors in one go disregarding the unani mous recommendation of a high
powered committee,throwing to the wind the promotion policy approved
earlier and turning a blind eye to seniority and service record of the
nominees.
To make things worse, the authorities issued notification of the new
appointments the floowing day post haste in violation of the time
honoured practice and the Corporation's own rules that
promotions approved by the minutes are approved at the next meeting. The
whole promotion case is a saga of breach of rules, pulling of strings
from behind saying goodbye to transparency and notreorganising hard
work, honesty and competence. The story as it unfolded in a slow motion,
will make interesting reading. At the 212th meeting of the Board
presided over by the Prime Minister in her capacity as the then Aviation
Minister a promotion policy formulated earlier was approved.
A four member committee was formed with the secretary, Establishment
Division, as the Chairman. The Secretary, Civil Aviation and Tourism
Secretary, IRD and the Managing Director of Biman were made members. The
Committee after due deliverations and scrutinizing the service
records and performance of each candidate found four General Managers
suitable for promotion as directors. But the Board kept on postponing
consideration of the committee's recommendations. meanwhile, for some
unknown reasons the list was expanded from the original four to nine,
but the committee did not waver and stuck to its own recommendations.
But if the national carrier is run at the direction of one man from the
secretariat, the new building will stand sadly as a monument to
the government's stranglehold. (The Independent)
Hassan Alam
I hear there is another airline in the works in BD? Maybe that
will shake Biman up.
Nasirul I Chowdhury (chow...@er4.eng.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Biman Board's ground rules grounded
--
Hassan Alam
Moo
On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> Naeem,
> Why are you propagating so much anti-saudi slander on the SCB (although I
> myself am not a pro-saudi myself)?
> Saudia Arabia is not a perfect country, however, one cannot deny the aid
> Bangladesh receives from them. Therefore, I suggest you show a little
> gratitude for what little good it does.
Perhaps you should keep in mind what Saudi Arabia gets in return -
cheap labour that it can't do without.
> Atleast these 'labourers' have a job thanks to them (Saudia's and for
> your bit of information a great many are doing well financially as a
> result.
That may be true, but their treatment leaves a lot to be desired.
Providing an opportunity to work does not give someone the right to
mistreat another.
> Fahd ibn AbdulAziz may have said "Saudi and Bangladesh are one nation" on
> the grounds of religion, i.e. all Muslims are a brother/sister of one
> another, If this was his reason then I also agree.
Yes, yes, we've all heard that line before. Now how about seeing
it in practice? Anything less would be hypocrisy, wouldn't it?
Jay A. Rahman,
Zeeshan Khan
>>Dear Zeeshan,
>> After reading your post on SCB, I found this contradictory post by Dr Rahin
>>from Leeds University in UK. I have posted my reply on SCB, sent him a copy
>>and am now sending an attachment for your information. Please comment.
>>Thanks again,
>>Shabbir.
After reading the Jonokontho articles posted on SCB which I had
previously
missed, I stand corrected. But in my SCB mail, I gave my reasoning: I
did not
hear a big hue and cry, and I did not see any immediate media reaction(I
left
on the 22nd). There was a big festive group of students(chanting Khaleda
Zia!
Khaleda Zia!) preceding Khaleda's motor-cade, and also the Shahid Minar
area
was very crowded. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the students, in
their
typical exhilaration and in their effort to get their leader to preempt
others, stepped on the edge of the minar, but I would doubt it was a
deliberate attempt to defile the minar. Please remember, I am not trying
to
defend these students, but just defining the scale of the event. The
generally
festive atmosphere prevalent would explain no immediate backlash from
other
groups.
Hope this explains my opinion.
Thanks,
Zeeshan
(Shabbir, my email reply to your address bounced back)
Khondakar M Mostafa
>> In article <3315D1...@osu.edu>,
>> M. Harun uz Zaman <harunuz...@osu.edu> wrote:
>> Since you put forward your facts let me put forward my.
>> If you will read his orginal post it was directed aganist BNP.
> It was. And it was wrong of Mr. Dasgupta to attack a political party
>without more substantiation, and more verification of his information.
** So it is agreed that dasgupta acted with bias and malicious intent
** directed toward a particular political party, which he claims not to,
** thereby exposing himself as a liar.
>> Here for those who seems to overlook the obvious the majority of the
>> Hindu population and that of WB supports AL. Hindus in Bangladesh vote in
>> mass for AL. Hindus in WB love AL.
> I know Hindus support AL, for reasons some of which may be right and
>some of which may be wrong. Minorities in every country tend to choose a
>political party which is perceived to be their ally. Muslims in India
>overwhelmingly support Congress, and blacks in the U.S. overwhelmingly
>support the Democratic Party.
** let us assume you are right. minorities support one party in mass. But
** dasgupta is not a minority he is citizen of an entirely different
** country that can be considered to be hostile to BD.
** I would not have bothered to write anything if dasgupta was a BD.
** But dasgupta is not a BD. This is the crux of my earlier post. He is
** not a BD and yet he passes judgement on the political party of a
** country in rather vile terms. Can I as a citizen pass judgement on the
** action of a political party in US. Is that appropriate..... ?
>> After AL come to power the first thing
>> that the PM does is visit India.
> She also visited China and Saudi Arabia. I am not sure she visited
>India first. Anyway the sequence does not make any difference. If you
>think she is batting for India, she could do it without visiting India.
>You are like Soumitra Bose who criticized Sheikh Hasina for visiting
>Saudi Arabia. Meeting the leaders of other countries is a part of the
>job of a leader.
** If you are trying to insult me,you are doing a pretty decent job
** comparing me with soumitra. That hurts a lot. OOOCCCCCHhhhhhhhhh !
>
>> PM get the netaji award for safegaurding
>> democrarcy,
> I would not give SH that award if I had any say in who gets the award.
** Exactly, no sane person would give her that award for democracy.
** Hindus in WB and the WB have their own agenda that they are not
** telling the public. Is this paranoia, most readers will agree it is
** not.
> Have you ever heard the expression, "politics makes strange
>bedfellows?" As for Hindus supporting AL, see my comments above. They
>have every right to do that, and can also be criticized for doing that.
>But that does not justify attacking and ridiculing their religious faith.
** again I maintain, if it was a Bangladeshi hindu saying the same thing
** I would have dismissed it as purely party affiliation of minority BD.
** But the truth is that this is not BDis meddling in the political affair
** of BD. I would have not ridiculed his faith had he not mentioned that
** shahid minar is holy. He offered no explanation why it is holy. I was
** merely helping him out by exploring some probable causes that it could
** be holy and anything that is holy has to have some diety in it.
>> > His anti-Hindu post was in response to a post
>> > about Ekushey February. The original post had nothing to do with
>> > Islam and Hinduism.
>> Of course, it was in response to Ekushey, but had everything to do with
>> islam and hindu.
> No, it did not.
** You are contradicting yourself. You agreed that he acted on hindu
** reflex which is by it's very nature anti muslim
>
>> the orginal posting was absolutely misleading and
>> intentionally glossed over. There is yet no proof that such a incidence
>> actually occured at the shahid minar. He is yet to qoute any source in
>> defence of his claim.
> That makes it an unsubstantiated claim, not an anti-Muslim post.
It makes a grossly misleeding anti BNP post. You are aware that BNP claims
to represent what ....
>
>> The next thing he automatically deduced that it was
>> BNP. One could claim that BNP is opposition, but there are many other
>> parties in opposition, yet he chose only BNP.
>
> Nobody stopped you or anybody else from pointing out his bias, without
> attacking a religious faith.
** THAT is what I did.
>> what, blowing your own trumpets....
>> Please keep the self praise for your private audience....
>> something like your wife, dog, etc.................
> I can get into serious trouble praising myself to my wife. I do not
>have a dog. I tried to sing self-praise to a dog once. You do not want
>to hear what happened next. I thought I would try the same thing on an
>wolf but no better luck there.
** Cool... I like you style, very cool under stress, ideal candidate for
** garbage disposal manager. Just curious, how did you get rid of the
** all that testesterone that usually flows in healthy male. Any way good
** for you and bad for your wife. Old boy keep up the impressive footwork!
**
>> I retract none of what I have said, and see no reason for that.
>> Dasgupta is a hindu, think like a hindu acts on hindu reflexes,
>
> If you mean nobody can overcome their inbred biases, you are right.
>That is
> true of you and me too. That does not mean we cannot sincerely hold
>opinions
>that are contrary to biases we are born with, or are conditioned into
>absorbing.
Lucky you, you got that testesterone filter in you. Me I donot.
I am as biased as can be, as bigoted as can be , but that is me.
I donot change, no matter what.
>
>> As for dasgupta " Islam....relegion", he is putting on a show. I
>> donot beleive him. He will stick a knife if he gets a chance.
>
> Unless you convince me you are an expert mind reader, I have to
>dismiss your opinion as another expression of bigotry.
** I donot have to proof that I am a mind reader but I will refer you to a
** quoate that the indian foring secretary Indranil gujril made. He said
** that the indian goveremnet nutured SH and her family after 74 and that
** he expects her to be very cooperative in solving bilateral issues.
** Diplomatic rambo jumbo for " look bitch, it is pay back time"
>
>> After the dust settles down, the readers will hopefully see that it is not
>> in everybody's interest to just merge two distinct different society into
>> one.
>
> I do not support unification of two Bengals, as I have indicated in
> many of my previous posts.
** I expected that , after all one of the very few of my most vocal
** critics that has some intelligence. From you I would expect nothing
** less.
>
>> Although the people of bengal are homogenious as far as race is
>> considered culturally and most importantly relgion wise the two bengal
>> are diameterically opposite, especially in our context where religion is
>> THE most important factor in the life our society. The suspicion with
>> which we view eacvh other is very deep rooted and of course based on
>> happening in the past. It is best to have a hindu WB and a muslim BD.
>
> My reasons for opposing unification are slightly different than yours
>but that
> is something we can discuss later.
** GOOD
>
>> We keep out of each business and not pass value judgement on happening in
>> other backyard.
>
> That is generally a good idea. But we should not restrict the passing
>of opinions
> that cut across political boundaries in this day and age.
** Good.
>
>> I am saying this after of course weighing the economic value of closer
>> ties with WB and India.
>
> Assessing the economic value of closer ties is something that requires
>more complex analysis than we can do on the SCB. Closer ties with
>India may bring both economic
> gains and losses. One cannot claim that such ties will bring unmixed
>economic blessings.
>
>> I think what ever benefit that we can derive from
>> such a cooperation will be greatly overshadowed by the political
>> instability which our country can ill afford.
>
> It all depends on the form and the extent of the cooperation. No
>general statements,
> such as those you made, are likely to be valid.
I am not a economic major or a political one. So go a head explain why I
am wrong. If you can make a point I will expect it but no bullshit. !
>
>>
>> I am of the opinion that , a young desh on the streets of dhaka wants a
>> different identity than a being of the same sub species of the most
>> backward group of india. We can do better than that and if the WB people
>> change their mentality they can do much better than India. I haven't the
>> faintest doubt of their abilities.
>
> You are making a bigotted statement ("backward people") and then
>complimenting
> the people of WB on "their abilities." Brings me back to the original
>question:
> Are you a bigot or are you putting on an act?
** Hahha.... This is on of the tricks I learned from my culturally
** superior elites on one of the few occasions that they let me in in
their charmed circle of bigots and no gooders. " slap the guy on his
cheek as hard as you can and before you he can react pat him on the back.
the first ackomplished the the mission and the second part is damage
control. I thought it was pretty neat... What do you think.....
> Would you also like to be the brainy wolf who keeps his foot out of
>his mouth?
Displaying intelligence, what will that get me. If you have a beautiful
daughter like cleopetra or something I will consider my position....
Naaaaa..... not even cleopetra is worth it..........!
> M. Harun uz Zaman, Ph.D.
> The Ohio State University
as always
Manir
In article <331B5F...@WESTMINSTER.AC.UK>,
DR KAMAL HASAN <DRHA...@WESTMINSTER.AC.UK> wrote:
>Naeem,
>Why are you propagating so much anti-saudi slander on the SCB (although I
>myself am not a pro-saudi myself)?
>Saudia Arabia is not a perfect country, however, one cannot deny the aid
>Bangladesh receives from them. Therefore, I suggest you show a little
>gratitude for what little good it does.
Saudi Arabian aid to bangladesh up to 1994 is US$804 million, less
than 3 per cent of total for Bangladesh. It ranks 11th among all
donors and 1st among Muslim nations. On the other hand, Japan and US, both
being non-muslim countries disbursed US$3.9 billion and US$2.8 billion
which are more than 14 and 10 per cent respectively of total for Bangladesh
during the same period.
Thanks
Manir
DR KAMAL HASAN
Moo wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
(stuff deleted)
> Perhaps you should keep in mind what Saudi Arabia gets in
> return -
> cheap labour that it can't do without.
Not true, Bangladesh is in more need of Saudia Arabia then vice versa.
There are many from all part of developing world who are looking for the
opportunity to work there.
> That may be true, but their treatment leaves a lot to be desired.
> Providing an opportunity to work does not give someone the right to
> mistreat another.
Mistreating anyone, whether Bangladeshi or not, even Muslim or
non-Muslims is a crime.
But you sound as if the only occupation the Saudi's have is to mistreat
people.
(stuff deleted)
> Yes, yes, we've all heard that line before. Now how about > seeing
> it in practice? Anything less would be hypocrisy, wouldn't it?
That would go for you to.
>
> Jay A. Rahman,
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DR KAMAL HASAN
DR KAMAL HASAN
Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>
> In article <331BC2...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Soumitra Bose <soum...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >place to undertake political activities during the HAjj time and then
> >it
> >was not right to hold a plenum meeting of AL when she was given the
> >honour of a state guest of Saudi Govt and all her collegues and
> >comrades
> >were not given that opportunity .
ANSWER: Who said anything about anoyone in AL being politicians. They are
there just to scrape of whatever there may have remained in the treasury.
If they were true politicians, then Bangladesh would not be in the state
it is at present.
> >when the whole incumbent party chooses a different country as a meeting
> >spot of the highest authority.
ANSWER: They were there to raise funds off the Saudia regime (so-called
Islamic state).
> >Of Course after this Khaleda made so many trips at the drop of the hat
> >with and without her coteries .So Saudi has now become a sort of second
> >capital for Bangladesh's internal politics,
ANSWER: Off course, they all go there with their begging bowl.
> >Doesn't this special BAngladeshee phenomenon is a bit un-usual??????
ANSWER: True, when, all the Bangaldeshi's in SCB seem to do is send
anti-Saudia messages, whenever the country is mentioned.
> The Big bad wolf
> wolf's lair
ANSWER: Finally, this Big bad wolf is certainly Bad!!
Easy with your liberal expressions old chap, ot it may become a habit.
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DR KAMAL HASAN
Dr Zahid Hussain
Naeem,
You apper to find conspiracy everywhere you look. The truth is
probably much more simple. Khondakar's extremist views are well know.
Only 3/4 months back we had long arguments with him regarding his
views on non-Bangladeshis participating in SCB. I suspect most people
ignore posting when they see it is from Khondakar. He is in my kill
file, and I suspect he is also in the kill files of many others.
Regards,
Zahid
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.m...@homebox.com> wrote:
>Khondakar M Mostafa wrote:
>> ** Another freaking hindu thinking with his dick. What do you think any
>> ** -thing that is tall and slender is " shib linga " and every man
>> ** has to pay respect to it by licking it and every woman by carassing
>> ** it.
>
>I condemn this anti-Hindu bigotry. Why are other Bangladeshis silent?
>
>Would you find this acceptable if he wrote:
>
>"Another freaking Black thinking with his.."
>OR
>"Another freaking Muslim thinking with his.."
>OR
>..
>
>
>> ** I thought that was Radha making out with krishna ...
>> ** I did not know that they enjoyed practicing kama sutra on the shahid
>> ** minar premises.
>
>> ** Maybe we could declare that krishna accidentally spilled
>> ** some of his seeds while making out with radha and thereby
>> ** annoiting the premises with the holy seeds making it sacred
>> ** where only men with bare feets can go..
>
>If others made jokes about our religious figures, we would not find it
>acceptable.
>
>Why are anti-Hindu jokes acceptable to us? Why is everyone silent?
>
>> ** Calcutta online and annada bazaar are run by a bunch of no good brahmin
>> ** morons something just like you ..
>
>1) Calcutta Online is a new Web site. As far as I could tell, it has no
>print version.
>2) Shoumyo & others from West Bengal have written repeatedly in the past
>condemning the communal character of Anandabazar
>
>> ** Indian bangalees are a bunch of rat shit, who support only AL.
>
>Even if they do only support AL, why is anti-Hindu bigotry justified?
>
>> the big bad wolf
>
>No, you're a stupid wolf. With the same bhanga-record of communal,
>anti-Hindu, anti-minority venom every time something disagrees with your
>political philosophy.
>
>
>--
>Naeem Mohaiemen
Dr Zahid Hussain, BSc, PhD (Lond) E-Mail: za...@rajshahi.demon.co.uk
z.hu...@ieee.org
URL: http://www.rajshahi.demon.co.uk/
// if (absolute power) -> absolute corruption;
Dr Zahid Hussain
While, i agree with your sentiments, the maltreatment of cheap foreign
workers is not limited to the Middle East. Countries such as Britain
(from Indian subcontinent, West Indies), France (from North Africa)
and Germany (from Turkey) welcomed foreign workers because they were
cheaper and would do work that the indeginous population considered
beneath them. We are seeing this pattern now in SE Asia. In the
60's-70's, most junior doctors in UK were foreign doctors. Pay was
poor and hours long. Conditions have changed greatly as more English
doctors have moved into this profession.
Regards,
Zahid
Moo <rah...@pantheon.yale.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
>
>> Naeem,
>> Why are you propagating so much anti-saudi slander on the SCB (although I
>> myself am not a pro-saudi myself)?
>> Saudia Arabia is not a perfect country, however, one cannot deny the aid
>> Bangladesh receives from them. Therefore, I suggest you show a little
>> gratitude for what little good it does.
>
> Perhaps you should keep in mind what Saudi Arabia gets in return -
>cheap labour that it can't do without.
>
>> Atleast these 'labourers' have a job thanks to them (Saudia's and for
>> your bit of information a great many are doing well financially as a
>> result.
>
> That may be true, but their treatment leaves a lot to be desired.
>Providing an opportunity to work does not give someone the right to
>mistreat another.
>
>> Fahd ibn AbdulAziz may have said "Saudi and Bangladesh are one nation" on
>> the grounds of religion, i.e. all Muslims are a brother/sister of one
>> another, If this was his reason then I also agree.
>
> Yes, yes, we've all heard that line before. Now how about seeing
>it in practice? Anything less would be hypocrisy, wouldn't it?
>
> Jay A. Rahman,
Moo
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> Moo wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
>
> (stuff deleted)
>
> > Perhaps you should keep in mind what Saudi Arabia gets in
> > return -
> > cheap labour that it can't do without.
>
> Not true, Bangladesh is in more need of Saudia Arabia then vice versa.
> There are many from all part of developing world who are looking for the
> opportunity to work there.
Reread the sentence - Saudi Arabia can't do without cheap labour,
not necessarily Bangladeshi cheap labour. You should remember that its
treatment of labourers from other South Asian countries isn't any better.
> > That may be true, but their treatment leaves a lot to be desired.
> > Providing an opportunity to work does not give someone the right to
> > mistreat another.
>
> Mistreating anyone, whether Bangladeshi or not, even Muslim or
> non-Muslims is a crime.
> But you sound as if the only occupation the Saudi's have is to mistreat
> people.
My response was directed at your "why criticize the Saudis?" post.
Was I also suppossed to write about their role in the oil industry? Or
would you like to know about Saudi investment in EuroDisney?
> > Yes, yes, we've all heard that line before. Now how about > seeing
> > it in practice? Anything less would be hypocrisy, wouldn't it?
>
> That would go for you to.
I do seem to be missing the point you're trying to make. What
have I preached/stated that I do not practice? I look forward to your reply
on this. Perhaps you could also comment on the discrepancy in Saudi
expressions of brotherhood with Bangladeshis and the reality of
Saudi-Bangladeshi "brotherhood".
Jay A. Rahman.
K.M. Maniruzzaman
In article <331721...@us.oracle.com>, Zeeshan Khan
<zrk...@us.oracle.com> wrote:
>no problems occurred. This year there was no mad rush to hang pictures
>of the late leaders - no pictures were hung on the minar.
>
The short-lived practice of hanging pictures of Bangabondhu Mujib,
Shaheed Zia and Colonel Taher by Mujib Senas, Zia Sainiks and
JSD-Chhatra League activists ceased towards the end of the Ershad
regime.
--
Manir
ma...@okabe.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
ma...@asami.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
URL: http://okabe.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/okabelab/manir/manir.html
=====================================================================
"The rich get richer, the poor get children" -- G.B. Shaw
DR KAMAL HASAN
Moo wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
>
> > Moo wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> >
> > (stuff deleted)
> >
> > > Yes, yes, we've all heard that line before. Now how about
> seeing
> > > it in practice? Anything less would be hypocrisy, wouldn't it?
> >
> > That would go for you to.
>
> I do seem to be missing the point you're trying to make. What
> have I preached/stated that I do not practice? I look forward to your reply
> on this. Perhaps you could also comment on the discrepancy in Saudi
> expressions of brotherhood with Bangladeshis and the reality of
> Saudi-Bangladeshi "brotherhood".
Yes, you seem to have missed the essence of my reply on that particular
matter on 'practising which one preached.' It is probably because I made
my self very unclear.
What I meant was that if one calls for collaboration and tolerence from
another party, then one should also be prepared to act in the same
manner. So if we the Bangali's wish to be treated with respect and
Brotherly (Muslim) love then we should be prepared to do the same.
But I must admit, there is one thing which is really bothering me. I was
going through the Saudi home page on the net, and on article one they
mention Saudi Arabia as the Islamic State of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What i fail to understand is how can it be a republic with defined
boundaries and nationalistic ties and still be an Islamic State?
And by the way, those Saudi's who parctice Islam as was practiced by the
Salaf Us-Salih dont make discrepancies between Saudi's and Bangladeshi's,
trust me I know! It is only those who have been engulfed by the
Nationalistic mentality created by the West, who are quick at spotting
differences.
The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) in his final sermon said that there are no
differences between Arabs and non-Arabs, and between White and Black.
Islamic creates brotherly love unmatched by any other ideologies.
That is why when Bilal(R) (who has an Ethiopian) went to Syria after the
death of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) and after Umar al-farouq (R)
became Khalif, Umar al-farouq sent a letter to Bilal(R) in Syria asking
him to return to Medina. This is how he addressed Bilal(R).
"FROM UMAR BIN AL-KHATTAB SERVENT OF ALLAH, TO BILAL THE LEADER
OF THE MUSLIMS."
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DR KAMAL HASAN
Moazzem Hossain
DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
>
> Naeem,
> Why are you propagating so much anti-saudi slander on the SCB (although I
> myself am not a pro-saudi myself)?
> Saudia Arabia is not a perfect country, however, one cannot deny the aid
> Bangladesh receives from them. Therefore, I suggest you show a little
> gratitude for what little good it does.
Sometime ago, someone posted a partial list of donor countries to
Bangladesh. I remember Saudi Arabia was not in top three. Maybe someone
can post the recent top donor of Bangladesh. In any case, we should
acknowledge the aid by Saudi Arabia. But if one talks about the
foreign currency that Bangladesh earning through the labors in
Saudi Arabia, then, in my opinion, Saudi Arabia is getting more
than what they are giving and Saudi Arabia should also show
some gratitude for that. And from the conditions of those laborers
I saw in Saudi Arabia, they have a long way to go. I had a chance to
go to a jail in Riyadh (luckily, not as an inmate!), where all the
people are so called illegal foreign workers. The sight was a nightmare
for me. It would not be an exagaration to call it a mini concentration
camp!!
>
> Atleast these 'labourers' have a job thanks to them (Saudia's and for
> your bit of information a great many are doing well financially as a
> result.
I don't think I agree with you at all here. From my information and
knowledge, very few 'laborers' are doing well financially. Most of
the laborers now make 200-500 riyals/mo. And I know for the fact
that one cannot live well by himself with that kind of money, let
alone sending money home.
>
> Fahd ibn AbdulAziz may have said "Saudi and Bangladesh are one nation" on
> the grounds of religion, i.e. all Muslims are a brother/sister of one
> another, If this was his reason then I also agree.
I guess, Saudi Arabia is treating Bangladesh as it's poor half-brother!!
Moazzem Hossain
DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
>
> Moo wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> >
> > > Moo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> > >
>
>
> And by the way, those Saudi's who parctice Islam as was practiced by the
> Salaf Us-Salih dont make discrepancies between Saudi's and Bangladeshi's,
> trust me I know! It is only those who have been engulfed by the
> Nationalistic mentality created by the West, who are quick at spotting
> differences.
Seems like I missed many articles on this thread. Hope I am jumping in
the middle.
Until and unless I see any specific percentage of Saudis that are
following Islam by Salaf Us-Salih, I would say, if there is any kind
of Saudis that do not discriminate between Saudis and
Bangladeshis then it must be very very small. And with all due respect,
I think it is a very common text book statement - "Blame the West for
all
the evil." I think if we go by the amount of aid by the foreign
countries
to show our gratitude, then we should not blame the West!!
> --------------
> DR KAMAL HASAN
Khondakar M Mostafa
In article <331C5C...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>From Dr. Bashar's research (thanks to his unbiased inquiry and report -
>no rabid supporter would ever do such a thing), two things are clear:
>
>1. There was SOME disturbance in Shahid Minar, caused by BNP.
disturbance at the shahid minar. It was telecast live did any body see
BNP goon going around and showing a disrespect as you claim.
>2. Bangladeshi newspapers DO CALL the Shahid Minar "POBITRO", or holy.
Bangladesh newspaper call it probitro. Bangladesh newspaper also call
Ershad a murderer do you see him hang. ......
Again, for the last time. Shahid minar is not a holy site. There is no
religious significance to it unless you agree with my previous concepts of
holy shahid minar. Otherwise it is just a symbol where people go to
remember and pay respect. No religious rites are administered and NO
miilk bottles have been found under neth the monumemt, at least for now,
what happens in the future is still up in the air. So nobody can
attribute or associate the term holy with shahid minar, except maybe naeem
but he is a clown. You may equate it to holiness because of the laying of
floral reeds which is a hindu form of religious worship and the hindu
reflex may have taken over. If you are not famailar with pavlov works
let me enlighten you on that. Pavlov had does dogs and he rang a bell
before he feed them. AFter some time he found out that just the ringing of
bell cause the dogs to produce saliva in their mouth. It is called
conditioned reflex. You were conditioned in beleiveing that when ever
somebody is offering some flowers he worshipping, so you automatically
deduced that a holy site had been defiled. This is not the case. Shahid
minar is a symbol. People fight over it, people kill each other in
gunbattles near it and on 364 days of the year goats graze on it which of
course includes covering the so called holy shahid minar in goat droppings
So the question of holiness of the shahid minar does not arise.
>
> Well, Mostafa-bhai, is the newspaper acting on a "hindu" reflex ?
Lets keep the "bhai" out of it, I am not in charitable mood and I donot
want courtesy to get in the way of the task in hand.
>
>Once again, let me re-emphasize that my post was NOT intended to "smear"
>the image of BNP due to any pre-conceived bias; had this been AL or any
>other party, I'd have equally protested and condemned, as I continue to
>do, with all my passion.
>Regards,
>Shoumyo Dasgupta
Your a liar. Your intention was to smear. Being a WB your support lies
with AL and you grabbed your first chance to drive home your smearing of
AL's arch enemy. You hate BNP and what it represents. Yet you repeatedly
say that you have no preconcived bias. Again I say you are a lair and you
want to wiggle yourself out of the situition that you created due to your
hatred of BNP, by saying the same phrase over and over again. The question
is who beleives you ?. Are you successful in convincing anyone ?
Mr. harunuzaman, who everybody will admit is no fan of mine already agrees
with me that you were wrong in doing that. I think there are more who will
agree with what I have said. My words may have been hard but readers will
admit that it was the effect to a cause created by your attempts of
propagating lies and half truth on the SCB. If you are wrong I was right
in condemning you , the language does not matter. If you are right then I
was wrong and I will dully apologize to you as many times as you want.
The bottom line is eighter you are right or I am right, we both cannot be
right and we both cannot be wrong.
So far, the SCB has condemned the flavour of my medicine but has yet to
come up with reason why the should not have been medicine was administered
in the first place. Was it a cases of pre mediated attempt at castirating
a poor innocent lamb or a attempt at stopping a disease that could be
fatal. I beleive that it is the latter.
Hope this shreads some light into the dark corner of your twisted skull.
the big bad wolf
wolf's lair
sayan bhattacharyya
Khondakar M Mostafa <kmms...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>Your a liar. Your intention was to smear. Being a WB your support lies
>with AL
Being from WB = "support lies with AL" ?
What kind of unfounded generalization is this???
Well, I am from WB, and I don't like election-contesting political
parties of any sort. Not AL, not BNP. Not Congress, not BJP, not
CPI(M). Nor any other election-mongering party.
How will you sort, categorize and pigeonhole me, o wise Khondakar ?
Curious,
-Sayan.
Shabbir A. Bashar
Shuru holo arek dofa paglami SCB te !!
Zahid Hussain
Shabbir A. Bashar wrote:
>
> Shuru holo arek dofa paglami SCB te !!
>
from my jet lag. You'll have to explain the above to me :-)
Best regards,
Zahid
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DR KAMAL HASAN
Moazzem Hossain wrote:
>
> DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> >
> > Moo wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
> > >
> > > > Moo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, DR KAMAL HASAN wrote:
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> Seems like I missed many articles on this thread. Hope I am jumping in
> the middle.
You have not missed alot.
> And with all due respect,
> I think it is a very common text book statement - "Blame the West for
> all
> the evil.
What text? The West is to blame for the creating the situation most of
the developing countries are in. It exploited all their resources, now
does it really beleive that it can compensate for the irreversible damage
it has caused?
Do you know how the Uthamni (Ottoman) Khalifate was destroyed? Do you
know what Lawrence of Arabia said concerning the Muslims?
" I think if we go by the amount of aid by the foreign
> countries
> to show our gratitude, then we should not blame the West!!
You call it aid, I call it bribe. Even to this day most of the Western
nations dictates the affairs of developing countries. Why is it that
after the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) won the Elections in Algeria
through a democratic process France steped in with its military?
The problem is, the West is trying to create an image in the our minds,
for the following reason.
According to one of the leading Orientalists, Professor Halloway of
School of Oriental and African Studies, For the first time in 400 years
the power is shifting from the West to the East, and the west are
frightened of its consequences.
Here I'll Qoute from one of the brightest young talents in the Islamic
world, A.H.M Mosroor, who said "The West are now loosing with the Islamic
world in every field, intellectually and in academics, soon will come a
day when they will face military defeat and on that day they shall beg
for forgiveness for all that they have done and on the that WE SHALL
FORGIVE THEM, WE SHALL FORGIVE THEM BECAUSE WE ARE MUSLIMS".
I have 30 mins before the beginning of Jumu'ah. So I shall end here.
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DR KAMAL HASAN