Bideshi Pakhi - Neellohit
Indrani DasGupta
Sunil Ganguli-r ei lekha-ta bodhhoy ebaar-er sharodiya Udoyon-e
beriyechhe. Interesting laglo, chhepe dilaam.
Indrani.
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Bideshi Pakhi - Neellohit.
Ingreji mot-e charti rHitu hole-o amader rHitu chho-ti. Ei otiriktu duti
rHitu-r modhdhye borsha-ke probolbhaabe teR paowa gele-o, onyo rHitu-ti
orthat hemonto je kokhon aashe aar kokhon chole jaay, ta thhik bojha jaay
na. Jodio onek kobi-r kobita-y er ullekh thake khub.
Jai hok, calendar onujayi amader sheet matro du mash. Shara bochhor-er
modhdhye ei duti mash-i kolkata shohor-e shobcheye upobhogyo. Load
shedding upekhkhya kora jaay, nana rong-er poshak-er jonyo rasta-y
manush-der besh khushi khushi mon-e hoy, bajar-er tori-torkari besh
shasthyoban thaake. Onek utshob, mela, o prodorshoni hoy ei du-mash juRe.
Boroph-er desh theke hajar hajar pakhi aashe. Aar aashe europe-america
theke probashi bharotiyo-ra.
Du-tin bochhor ontor ontor tara deR mash-er chhuti niye aashe nijer desh
dekhte. Era onek-ei santa klaus-er moton jhuli bhorti kore aane camera,
tape recorder, adhuniktomo gaan-bajna-r cassette, blade, shabaan,
perfume, aar du-ayk botol scotch. Bhagyoban aatMityo o bondhu-bandhob-der
modhdhye sheygulo bilono hoy. Joto shamanyo hok, je kono tukitaki bideshi
jinish pelei aamra khushi. Bideshi drobbyo akhono amader kachhe oti
pobitro.
Bible-er prodigal son-er moton eder protyaborton-e moha dhumdham poRe
jaay baRite baRite. Eder jonyo bajar theke kine aana hoy nobbui taka
keji-r chingri machh, kolkata-r sreshthho dokan-er shondesh. Nijer baRite
erokom elahi bondobosto thaake to bote-i, tachhaRa-o protyekdin-i thaake
kono na kono baRite nemontonno, shey shob jayga-te-o poribeshito hoy aat
dosh rokom-er aaharjyo pod. Edike, onekdin bidesh-e thaka-r phole eder
khadyabhyash bodle gyachhe, bangali bhuribhojon-er era aar obhyosto noy,
shamanyo ekti duti khaabar era khNute mukhe diye haat joR kore bole, aar
parchhina! Kkhoma korun!
Baba-ma-era probashi kriti chhele ba meye-r gorbe nijera-i besh gorbito
hoye aatMiyoshojon-der baRite taader dyakhate niye jaay. Praay bhule
jaowa bridhdho-bridhdha-der shamne ei shob bideshi pakhi-ra bineeto mukh
kore boshe thaake, jotodur shombhob kom ingreji shobdo byabohar kore
ebong rupkotha-r golpo shona-y. Oboshyo du-chaar din-er modhdhye-i tara
ei bhumika-y klanto o birokto hoye poRe, ebong tarpor tara tajmohol
kingba kashmir dekhte chole jaay.
Sheetkaale kono kono adda-y ei rokom bidesh-pherot karur na karur shonge
dyakha hobe-i. Aajkal bidesh jaowa-ta onek-ta jol-bhaat-er moton. Khub
beshi lekhapoRa jana-r-o dorkar hoy na, tobla-y du-akta chNaTi lagate
janle kingba ektu adhtu polli-geeti gayite shikhle kingba khanikta
jog-byayam dyakhate parle-i du-akbaar europe-america ghure asha jaay. Aar
shangbadik hole to odhel shujog. Probashi baharotiyo-ra ekotha jaane tai
deshe phire ei shob adda-y tara chot kore bidesh-er golpo shuru kore na.
Nehat jara budhdhi kom tara chhaRa onnyo-ra ingreji-te kotha-o bole na,
ebong khub beshi poshak-er chakchikkyo-o dyakhay na. Tobe praay alaap-er
prothom-ei tara jaaniye dey, ke koto bochhor bayire achhe. Keu
n'o-bochhor, keu baaro-bochhor, keu shotero-bochhor. Je joto senior, tar
toto shomman. Mon-e korun, manchester theke asha kono probashi-r shonge
alaap hobaar por apni jiggesh korlen, manchester-e amaar ayk bondhu
achhe, omuk dashgupto, taake chenen? Tini bhuru kNuchke khanikhkhon
chinta kore bolben, o hNya, chini, shey to matro du-bochhor dhore achhe.
College-er first year-er chhatro-der proti third year-er chhatro-der
je-rokom akta obogNya-r bhaab thaake, eNder kotha-teo shey rokom akta
bhaab thaake.
Ei shob bidesh theke shwodesh bhromon korte aasha manush-der shonge alaap
korte amaar bhalo-i laage. ENder chehara-y, poshak-e o kothabarta-y besh
akta tatka batash-er sporsho paowa jaay. Amonki eNra jokhon kolkata-r
nongra rasta, otirikto bheeR, train o plane-er oniyomito chalcholon-er
ninde koren, taate-o rege jaayi na. Erokom-i to shwabhabik. Manush
jekhane dosh-baaro bochhor dhore thaake, shekhankar jeebon jaapon-ei
obhyosto hoye jaay. Gram-er chhele onekdin shohor-e katano-r por abaar
gram-e phire gele commode chaaRa bathroom-e shwosti bodh kore na. ENder
kothabarta-y prochchonno ohonkar phute berule-o ashchorjyo hoyi na.
Manush-er jokhon kono durbolota thaake kingba gopon dukhkho thaake,
tokhon-i tara beshi ohonkar-er bhaab dyakhay.
Tobe akta byapar-e aami eder khub-i opochhondyo kori. Bideshi doshyu-r
moton era amader desh-er shundori meye-der lut kore niye jaay.
Ayk shomoy bharotiyo chhele-ra bilet-america-y chakri korte gele praay
obodharito bhaabe-i bideshi bou niye phirto. ShaaT-er doshok porjontyo
aamra onek mem-bou dekhechhi edesh-e. Kintu akhon mem biye kora-r reowaj
aar nei bollei chole. Shotokara pNachjon-er beshi bharotiyo aar bideshini
biye korena. Shadharonoto bideshe koyek botshor theke khanikta settle
kore tarpor era deshe eshe biye kore jaay. Ekhankar khobor-er kagoj-er
patro-patri column-eo erokom bigNapon praay-ei dyakha jaay: "bideshi
ucchochakuri-roto (mashik aay aaRai hajar dollar ba aatsho pound) patrer
jonnyo shikhkhita, rupoboti, gaan-bajna, ranna jana shodbongshiyo patri
chhayi. Bidesh-e boshobash-er upojukto manoshikota thaaka chaayi."
England-america-y bharotiyo-der dWara prokashito potro-potrika-teo aajkal
erokom bigNapon thakchhe. Kolkata-y onek school-college-e bachha-bachha
shundori meye-der bishesh bhaabe shikhkha deowa hoy probashi-der upojukto
stree hishebe toiri hoye othha-r jonnyo. Tara otirikto jogyota hishebe
igreji chhaRa-o phorashi ba german bhasha-r course ney. Bidesh theke
proti bochhor jhNak jhNak chhele eshe eder niye chole jaay.
Eishob meyeder shonge hoyto konodin-i amader alaap porichoy hotona.
Ekti-o kotha bolar shujog petaam na. Kintu poth-e ghaat-e dekhte to
petaam. Kolkata theke eishob shundori-ra chirokal-er jonnyo chole jaay
bole amaar dukhkho bodhhoy. Edesh theke joto ichchhe brain-drain hok ta
niye aami mathha ghamayi na, kintu erokom shundori nari-der roftani mene
nite paari na.
Je-shob meye-r baba-ra meye-der ei rokom biye debaar jonnyo byasto kingba
chhelemeye-der khub beshi lekhapoRa shekhan tNader onek-er-i shesh
boyesh-er tragedy ami dekhechhi. Onek modhhyobitto baba nijeder
koshtarjito taka-y chhelemeye-der daktar o engineer kore tolen. Tarpor
shei shob chhele meye-ra aaro ucchoshikhkhar jonnyo chakri peye bideshe
chole jaay. Aar phere na. Ayk jNata kol-e aatke poRe. Baba ma-er kachhe
tara niyomito chitthi lekhe o money order pathhay, joto bochhor jaay,
toto-i chitthi-r frequency ebong taka-r poriman komte thaake. Ak shomoy
bridhdho baba-ma niHshongo hoye poRen, tNader oshukh hole paashe
dNaRaba-r jonnyo karuke paowa jaay na. Jokhon tokhon oshukh-er khobor
jaaniye-o tNara otodur-er shontaan-der bibroto korte chaan na. Akmatro
tNader mrityu-r por-i jodi telegram thhik shomoy pNouchhoy kingba
telephone connection paowa jaay, ta hole tNader chhele meye-ra bimaan-e
uRe aashe. Baba kingba ma-er mritodehe-r shonge-o shesh dyakha hoy na.
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sayan bhattacharyya
Indrani DasGupta <id2...@american.edu> wrote:
[by Sunil Gangopadhyay, aka Neellohit]
Indrani should be complimented for taking the trouble to transcibe
the article for our reading pleasure. Thanks, Indrani.
>Jai hok, calendar onujayi amader sheet matro du mash. Shara bochhor-er
>modhdhye ei duti mash-i kolkata shohor-e shobcheye upobhogyo.
Actually, I think shorotkal in Calcutta is more "upobhogyo". Especially,
I miss the brilliant, electric blue of the Bengali shorotkal sky, with
wispy white clouds floating in it.
"Gaan tumi hao bangladesher akash shorotkale..."
-- Suman Chattopadhyay, "Gaan tumi hao"
>Kolkata-y onek school-college-e bachha-bachha
>shundori meye-der bishesh bhaabe shikhkha deowa hoy probashi-der upojukto
>stree hishebe toiri hoye othha-r jonnyo.
Hmm, I find this hard to believe. "Special classes" for schoolgirls
in "How to be a Good Wife to an Expatriate" ? Come on, Sunil G! You
know you are making this up!
>Tara otirikto jogyota hishebe
>igreji chhaRa-o phorashi ba german bhasha-r course ney. Bidesh theke
>proti bochhor jhNak jhNak chhele eshe eder niye chole jaay.
I have been a student in various foreign-language classes in Calcutta over
extended periods of time. As a result I got an opportunity to observe the
kinds of people who are attracted to these classes. It is true that a large
section of the enrollment of these classes consist of young women from
the Bengali upper and upper-middle classes. However, Sunil's idea that
they are there to acquire foreign-language skills to "net" expatriate
husbands, seems rather far-fetched. Most of these rich and privileged young
women join these classes because, in the circles they move in, it is
considered "hip" to be learning (or seen to be learning) an European language.
It is a status symbol for them. In any case, proficiency in French or German
is not likely to have much utilitarian value in the marriage market for
prospective brides as most expatriate Bengalis have English-speaking
countries as their place of domicile anyway.
This was a very interesting and readable article though, full of gentle
irony. Sunil generalizes and exaggerates a lot of course, but the general point
he makes is quite accurate.
Kalpataru Barman
Eta ke net e publish karar janya dhanyabaad.
Mejahe kichu general bhat thaakleo, lekhata "bhaynkar sundar".
Shubu Mukherjee
>>>>> In article <333475...@american.edu>, Indrani DasGupta <id2...@american.edu> writes:
IDG> Sunil Ganguli-r ei lekha-ta bodhhoy ebaar-er sharodiya Udoyon-e
IDG> beriyechhe. Interesting laglo, chhepe dilaam.
IDG> Indrani.
IDG> **************************************
IDG> Bideshi Pakhi - Neellohit.
...
IDG> Je-shob meye-r baba-ra meye-der ei rokom biye debaar jonnyo byasto kingba
IDG> chhelemeye-der khub beshi lekhapoRa shekhan tNader onek-er-i shesh
IDG> boyesh-er tragedy ami dekhechhi. Onek modhhyobitto baba nijeder
IDG> koshtarjito taka-y chhelemeye-der daktar o engineer kore tolen. Tarpor
IDG> shei shob chhele meye-ra aaro ucchoshikhkhar jonnyo chakri peye bideshe
IDG> chole jaay. Aar phere na. Ayk jNata kol-e aatke poRe. Baba ma-er kachhe
IDG> tara niyomito chitthi lekhe o money order pathhay, joto bochhor jaay,
IDG> toto-i chitthi-r frequency ebong taka-r poriman komte thaake. Ak shomoy
IDG> bridhdho baba-ma niHshongo hoye poRen, tNader oshukh hole paashe
IDG> dNaRaba-r jonnyo karuke paowa jaay na. Jokhon tokhon oshukh-er khobor
IDG> jaaniye-o tNara otodur-er shontaan-der bibroto korte chaan na. Akmatro
IDG> tNader mrityu-r por-i jodi telegram thhik shomoy pNouchhoy kingba
IDG> telephone connection paowa jaay, ta hole tNader chhele meye-ra bimaan-e
IDG> uRe aashe. Baba kingba ma-er mritodehe-r shonge-o shesh dyakha hoy na.
Eta to ekdom below-the-belt punch hoye gelo!
Joking and morals aside, does anyone know if Calcutta has good old
homes or old community apartment complexes like those in the US?
This seems like a good business to me, particularly if they cater to
the needs of NRIs.
-Shubu
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Shubu Mukherjee University of Wisconsin-Madison, Computer Sciences
Snehasis Ganguly
Shubu Mukherjee (sh...@cs.wisc.edu) wrote:
: >>>>> In article <333475...@american.edu>, Indrani DasGupta <id2...@american.edu> writes:
: IDG> Sunil Ganguli-r ei lekha-ta bodhhoy ebaar-er sharodiya Udoyon-e
: IDG> beriyechhe. Interesting laglo, chhepe dilaam.
: IDG> Indrani.
: IDG> **************************************
: IDG> Bideshi Pakhi - Neellohit.
: ...
: IDG> Je-shob meye-r baba-ra meye-der ei rokom biye debaar jonnyo byasto kingba
: IDG> chhelemeye-der khub beshi lekhapoRa shekhan tNader onek-er-i shesh
: IDG> boyesh-er tragedy ami dekhechhi. Onek modhhyobitto baba nijeder
: IDG> koshtarjito taka-y chhelemeye-der daktar o engineer kore tolen. Tarpor
: IDG> shei shob chhele meye-ra aaro ucchoshikhkhar jonnyo chakri peye bideshe
: IDG> chole jaay. Aar phere na. Ayk jNata kol-e aatke poRe. Baba ma-er kachhe
: IDG> tara niyomito chitthi lekhe o money order pathhay, joto bochhor jaay,
: IDG> toto-i chitthi-r frequency ebong taka-r poriman komte thaake. Ak shomoy
: IDG> bridhdho baba-ma niHshongo hoye poRen, tNader oshukh hole paashe
: IDG> dNaRaba-r jonnyo karuke paowa jaay na. Jokhon tokhon oshukh-er khobor
: IDG> jaaniye-o tNara otodur-er shontaan-der bibroto korte chaan na. Akmatro
: IDG> tNader mrityu-r por-i jodi telegram thhik shomoy pNouchhoy kingba
: IDG> telephone connection paowa jaay, ta hole tNader chhele meye-ra bimaan-e
: IDG> uRe aashe. Baba kingba ma-er mritodehe-r shonge-o shesh dyakha hoy na.
:
: Eta to ekdom below-the-belt punch hoye gelo!
: Joking and morals aside, does anyone know if Calcutta has good old
: homes or old community apartment complexes like those in the US?
: This seems like a good business to me, particularly if they cater to
: the needs of NRIs.
: -Shubu
Whatever makes you think that an old home is the best source
of comfort for elderly? What the older people need is the
soothing presence of their loved ones, not the sight of some nurse
every day. According to one "US Today" report, a lot of people
here are moving closer to their parents house to take care
of them.
Of course, many indians here do take care of their parents by
having them migrate here. Some other people send money every month.
However, the majority of people are apathetic to their parents needs.
They come from reasonably well to do families who dont need their
children's money but rather their presence.
S Bhattacharyya
sn...@stress.mie.clarkson.edu (Snehasis Ganguly) writes:
>Shubu Mukherjee (sh...@cs.wisc.edu) wrote:
>: IDG> tNader mrityu-r por-i jodi telegram thhik shomoy pNouchhoy kingba
>: IDG> telephone connection paowa jaay, ta hole tNader chhele meye-ra bimaan-e
>: IDG> uRe aashe. Baba kingba ma-er mritodehe-r shonge-o shesh dyakha hoy na.
>:
>: Eta to ekdom below-the-belt punch hoye gelo!
>: Joking and morals aside, does anyone know if Calcutta has good old
>: homes or old community apartment complexes like those in the US?
>: This seems like a good business to me, particularly if they cater to
>: the needs of NRIs.
>: -Shubu
> Whatever makes you think that an old home is the best source
> of comfort for elderly? What the older people need is the
> soothing presence of their loved ones, not the sight of some nurse
> every day. According to one "US Today" report, a lot of people
> here are moving closer to their parents house to take care
> of them.
I think what they need most is companionship, particularly the
ones who have lost their partners. The presence of others of similar
age allows them to make friends and spend time doing things they like
to enjoy. What are they supposed to do here, uprooted from all things
they have been familiar with all their lifes, and often unable to
converse in the language of the land ? Are they now supposed to play
nursemaid to our kids ? The USA today report you cite goes hand in
hand with a new trend of families moving closer together, primarily
for economic reasons - not because of behavioural change.
Santanu
Snehasis Ganguly
san...@glibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (S Bhattacharyya) writes :-
I think what they need most is companionship, particularly the
ones who have lost their partners. The presence of others of similar
In a crowded and interactive society like India it is
hardly difficult to find other old people in the
neighbourhood "para". So, meeting other old people
is certainly not the best option.
age allows them to make friends and spend time doing things they like
to enjoy. What are they supposed to do here, uprooted from all things
I myself do not like this idea of bringing old people
here to settle down. In Canada for example, their has been
reported cases of abuse of older parents by their older
children.
However, perhaps this approach was better than doing nothing.
they have been familiar with all their lifes, and often unable to
converse in the language of the land ? Are they now supposed to play
nursemaid to our kids ? The USA today report you cite goes hand in
Certainly not. But so many families here do bring in Parents
for a short visit, especially during child birth. Don't
you remember meeting such elderly people on you flight
back from India, the last time you went there? I am told
that there is a place in New Jersey, where the elderly
visitors from India meet daily.
hand with a new trend of families moving closer together, primarily
for economic reasons - not because of behavioural change.
Santanu
Did you read the report? It specifically said for taking
care of the parents.This problem however does remain for
people back in India who are working in a city far from
their hometown.
John W. Wilson
Please check out an article on Old Age Homes at
http://www.calonline.com
Specifically, look for ShatoRupa Vol1,No4, for the article
entitled "Isolation-Old Age Home" by Malay Ghosh.
S Bhattacharyya
I don't get it! This theme that these writers (Sunil Ganguly
and then this chap Malay) keep harping on regarding kids moving abroad
and severing all connections with their parents is utter nonsense!
I am not saying it does not happen but I am
saying that it happens pretty damn rarely!! Most people I know go home
at least once every two years or so. Those from needy families also
financially help their parents. If it is a question of getting to
their sick beds when they need us, I would take long odds that I could
make it quicker to India from here than the time it would take me to
go to Calcutta, say from Bombay. If these people are trying to somehow
make us feel guilty for being here, then they are not likely to
succeed to any great extent. Perhaps these articles make those living
in India feel good about themselves in so far as it makes them feel they
are standing by their parents more than those of us who have chosen to
come here. I think this is utter baloney, hearkening back to 20 or 30
years ago when only the down and out ran away from India and went
abroad. Where financially helping the folks is concerned, the sheer
fact that we live in more developed economies give us more leverage in
this respect, personally speaking I know most graduate from the lower
middle class help out their folks and being here, do a damn good job
of it. Personally, I could never provide as well for my folks had I
even had an excellent job in India because that would probably have
paid less than a 5 th of what I make here as a graduate
student.
Sorry about this outburst, but a spate of articles in the same
vein in the past few days have been making my blood boil. I
cannot understand why a humanist like Sunil Ganguly would persist in
making this kind of inane statements long after the age in which
they were valid has passed.
Santanu
Ihtisham Kabir
This is a very touchy issue and goes a lot deeper than
the financial leverage afforded by living abroad.
For example, why do people rear children? What happens
to those reasons when their children spend over 90% of
their time not seeing them? What happens to those reasons
when their grandchildren are, for all intents and purposes,
lost in a different nation and culture? There is no right
or wrong answer, but there is room for reflection.
- I.
Shoumyo Dasgupta
S Bhattacharyya wrote:
> Sorry about this outburst, but a spate of articles in the same
> vein in the past few days have been making my blood boil. I
> cannot understand why a humanist like Sunil Ganguly would persist in
> making this kind of inane statements long after the age in which
> they were valid has passed.
>
> Santanu
Well, Sunil Ganguly's son is a Bideshi Pakhi and Sunil himself visits
the USA very frequently. This is just information. How you interpret
this is another matter.
Shoumyo
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"...Sroter bolkole dhaka prodeepdrishyer pichchu pichchu
Nrityer bhongima matro jege thake, ar thake ophuronto dheu
Bhasha, shudhu bhashai niyoti"
- NODIKOTHA, Goutom Choudhuri
S Bhattacharyya
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> writes:
>S Bhattacharyya wrote:
>> Sorry about this outburst, but a spate of articles in the same
>> vein in the past few days have been making my blood boil. I
>> cannot understand why a humanist like Sunil Ganguly would persist in
>> making this kind of inane statements long after the age in which
>> they were valid has passed.
>>
>> Santanu
>Well, Sunil Ganguly's son is a Bideshi Pakhi and Sunil himself visits
>the USA very frequently. This is just information. How you interpret
>this is another matter.
The fact that he comes here often also comes across in his
writings. I used to be and perhaps still am a fan of his. So I can
only conclude that in making these statements he is either pandering
to India-side audiences or .... I just feel that a man of his
stature need not stoop to this to sell his material.
Of course if I am reading you wrong and you are in fact
implying that he has had a first hand taste of this neglect he
talks about then his stand becomes clearer.
Santanu
Prantik Mazumder
In article <33400F...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu>,
Shoumyo Dasgupta <txd...@silmaril.smeal.psu.edu> wrote:
>S Bhattacharyya wrote:
>
>> Sorry about this outburst, but a spate of articles in the same
>> vein in the past few days have been making my blood boil. I
>> cannot understand why a humanist like Sunil Ganguly would persist in
>> making this kind of inane statements long after the age in which
>> they were valid has passed.
>>
>> Santanu
>
>
>Well, Sunil Ganguly's son is a Bideshi Pakhi and Sunil himself visits
>the USA very frequently. This is just information. How you interpret
>this is another matter.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
I must say I agree with Santanu here. Oi lekha-ta por-e amaro
mone hoi je okhane Sunil "bideshi pakhi" der proti jothesto
sarcastic. Sunil-er moto ekjon obhiggyo lekhok-er kaach theke
orokom stereotype expect kori ni.
Prantik
--
Prantik Mazumder
pra...@iastate.edu
http://www.iastate.edu/~prantik
Snehasis Ganguly
S Bhattacharyya (san...@glibm5.cen.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: > Please check out an article on Old Age Homes at
: > http://www.calonline.com
: > Specifically, look for ShatoRupa Vol1,No4, for the article
: > entitled "Isolation-Old Age Home" by Malay Ghosh.
: I don't get it! This theme that these writers (Sunil Ganguly
: and then this chap Malay) keep harping on regarding kids moving abroad
: and severing all connections with their parents is utter nonsense!
I don't think they said severing, but rather weakening,
which would have been much stronger if they had remained
in India.
: I am not saying it does not happen but I am
: saying that it happens pretty damn rarely!! Most people I know go home
: at least once every two years or so. Those from needy families also
But if they had been in India, they could visit 3/4 times every year
and same for parents.
: financially help their parents. If it is a question of getting to
: their sick beds when they need us, I would take long odds that I could
: make it quicker to India from here than the time it would take me to
: go to Calcutta, say from Bombay. If these people are trying to somehow
What makes you think so? Bombay to Calcutta is 150$=6000Rs approx.
If it is emergency, I thought people in India cna spend that much
although incomes are less. Also thorugh a travel agent in Bombay
it wont take that long to get a ticket.
: make us feel guilty for being here, then they are not likely to
: succeed to any great extent. Perhaps these articles make those living
: in India feel good about themselves in so far as it makes them feel they
Living in India has its unique advantages,and I don't think
they would need to feel like that.
: are standing by their parents more than those of us who have chosen to
: come here. I think this is utter baloney, hearkening back to 20 or 30
: years ago when only the down and out ran away from India and went
Naxal andolaan-er kotha bolchen?
: abroad. Where financially helping the folks is concerned, the sheer
: fact that we live in more developed economies give us more leverage in
: this respect, personally speaking I know most graduate from the lower
: middle class help out their folks and being here, do a damn good job
Here I fully agree with you. There can be no grudge against people
who send money home, sometimes even compromising their own
lifestyle. In this respect, I wonder what the followers of
Ayan Rand have to say.
: of it. Personally, I could never provide as well for my folks had I
: even had an excellent job in India because that would probably have
: paid less than a 5 th of what I make here as a graduate
: student.
Just a small question. Why is that most people I ask here tell
me that they are in debt? Aren't they forced to spend a lot also?
Is it really true that you make more money here?
: Sorry about this outburst, but a spate of articles in the same
: vein in the past few days have been making my blood boil. I
: cannot understand why a humanist like Sunil Ganguly would persist in
I don't like this humanist movement because of their ridiculing
religion.
: making this kind of inane statements long after the age in which
: they were valid has passed.
: Santanu
--
India-monsoon and marigold, dung and dust, colors and corpses ,
smoke and ash, snow and endless myth- is a cruel, unrelenting
place of ineffable sweetness. It is the most difficult and most
rewarding of places to travel.
-James O'Reilly
Joydeep Bhattacharya
In article <5hu247$g...@news.clarkson.edu>, Snehasis Ganguly says...
>: I don't get it! This theme that these writers (Sunil Ganguly
>: and then this chap Malay) keep harping on regarding kids moving abroad
>: and severing all connections with their parents is utter nonsense!
>: If these people are trying to somehow
>: make us feel guilty for being here, then they are not likely to
>: succeed to any great extent.
Santanu babu's outrage at these articles probably reveals a deeper sense of
guilt, the very existence of which he is vehemently denying. That's my 2-cent
unwarranted and uncalled-for pop psychology!
(...]
>
> Just a small question. Why is that most people I ask here tell
> me that they are in debt? Aren't they forced to spend a lot also?
> Is it really true that you make more money here?
Most graduate students here earn less than the median income and less than
what a minimum- wage earning person in the US earns per month. Given the
promise of a high expected future income, their consumption far exceeds
their income during the grad-school years. Three $2000 trips to India in 5
years doesn't help matters much either. In short, they don't make more
money in US terms; but then, given the ridiculous exchange-rate, their $
10,000 income looks like 3.5 lakhs in Indian terms. This gives them the illusion
of being "rich". They forget that they are paying Rs 45 for a cup of Starbucks
coffee here; the same is available, to those who stayed back in India, for Rs. 5.
Joydeep
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Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it!
Joydeep Bhattacharya
Marshall School of Business, USC
Los Angeles CA 90025
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Apratim Sarkar
TachaRa, wrinang kritwa gheetang peebet, e to prachin bharotiyo tradition.
Apratim.
Joydeep Bhattacharya (joyd...@rcf.usc.edu) wrote:
: In article <5hu247$g...@news.clarkson.edu>, Snehasis Ganguly says...
Indrani DasGupta
Eta chhapa-r por prochur mail pelaam. Shobai-ke dhonyobaad...
Oboshyo Shoumyo amake janiyechhe je ei lekha-ti praay tin bochhor aage
onyo ekti kagoj-e (kon kagoj, Shoumyo, mon-e poRe?) beriyechhilo. Aami
sheta tokhon dekhini o jantam na. Jai hok, eta dekhe amaar ma-er besh raag
hoy (jodi-o besh thhanda mathha-r manush, unlike her daughter, I guess!)
ebong besh khanikta shadhyo-shadhona-r por, amake ei uttor-ti
pathhiyechhen. Sheta-o chhepe dilaam.
**************************
Neellohit-er "Bideshi Pakhi" alekhyo-ti-te bideshi pakhi-r shathe
bidesh-bashi bharotiyo-der upoma-ti besh juktishongoto. Shotyi-i eder to
pakhi-r moto-i uRe jete hoy! Hajar hajar mile paRi debar onyo kono druto
byabosthya to aar boigNyanik-era chalu korte paren ni!
Mon-e hoy kusholi lekhok bidesh-bashi bharotiyo-der proti besh birup, ta
na hole atMiyoshwojon-era jodi tNader bohudin pore kachhe peye ektu
beshi-i aador apyayon koren, tNar gatrodaho kano? Ekotha ki tini bhule
gyachhen je bharot-er shonaton dhormo otithi apyayon? Puran-er koto
shotishadhWi nijeder onahare rekhe-o otithi sheba korechhen. Bortoman
jug-eo nikot ki dur theke otithi shomagom-e grihini-ra shushWadu
ahaarjyo-i pribeshon koren. Tobe kano bechari "bideshi pakhi"
bharot-bashi-der oporadh holo? Lekhok bochhor-sheshe eder Santa Klaus-er
moto jhulibhora upohar niye desh-e jaowa-te koutuk bodh koren. Kintu ei
koutuk kano? Santa Klaus-er moton-i bhalobasha-y bhora upohar-er jhuli
niye priyojon-der ektu hNashimukh dekhbar bashona ki khub-i onyaay? Ete
daami bideshi jinish diye atMiyoshWojon-ke chomokito kora-r ichchhe
kothay? Aar baba-ma ba nikot atMiye-ra jodi tNader deshe beRate asha
atMiyoshWojon-der niye porichito kono poribaare beRate jaan taate dosh
kothay? Naki atMiyo biborjito hoye akla ghore boshe doinondin
jeebon-jatra-r kotha bhebe din katano-i uchit? Oboshyo lekhon ekotha-o
likhechhen je kichhudin por-i era "monorom" shob jayga-y beRiye poRen.
Shotyi-i desh-er obishworoniyo sthan-guli dorshon kora to moha paap.
Bishesh kore "bideshi pakhi"-der pokhye. Taar bodol-e bidesh-er
itihaash-khyato dorshonio sthan-e kano tara beRate jaan na? Shobaar sheshe
shottyi-i nidarun laglo jokhon lekhok likhechhen baba-ma-r mrityushongbad
peye konorokom-e shastrachaar shere nijeder HRinmukto mon-e koren ei shob
"bideshi pakhi"-der kotha. Sunil Ganguli-r nijer "bideshi pakhi-tto"-ti
jodi ograhyo-o kori - tahole-o bolte hobe je tini nishchoyi bhule gyachhen
shei shob ojosro chhele-meye-der kotha jara baba-ma, atMiyo-der
shwachhondye-r jonyo, tNader mukhe hNashi phNotano-r jonyo ortho rojgar-e
broti, jara bochhor sheshe chhuti-r abedon monjur hole-i desh-er pothe
pari dyan. Ei shob desh-er pakhi-der mon ki ektu-o kNadena, Sunil
bhebechhen?
Dohai shWonam-dhonnyo Neellohit. Apni apnar shoktishaali lekhoni shomaj-er
oti proyojoniyo kaaj-e lagan. Dui desh-er bhougolik byabodhan bhougolik-i
achhe chirokal thakbe. Doya kore bikrito onubhuti-r shikaar hoye dui
desh-er ayk-i, hNya ayk-i, bharotiyo-der mon-e byabodhan baRano-y britha-i
proyashi hoben na.
Krishna DasGupta (posting through Indrani's account).
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Shoumyo Dasgupta
Indrani DasGupta wrote:
>
> Eta chhapa-r por prochur mail pelaam. Shobai-ke dhonyobaad...
>
> Oboshyo Shoumyo amake janiyechhe je ei lekha-ti praay tin bochhor aage
> onyo ekti kagoj-e (kon kagoj, Shoumyo, mon-e poRe?)
Na. Mon-e poRchchena.
Shoumyo.
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S Bhattacharyya
Indrani DasGupta <id2...@american.edu> writes:
>Eta chhapa-r por prochur mail pelaam. Shobai-ke dhonyobaad...
>Oboshyo Shoumyo amake janiyechhe je ei lekha-ti praay tin bochhor aage
>onyo ekti kagoj-e (kon kagoj, Shoumyo, mon-e poRe?) beriyechhilo. Aami
>sheta tokhon dekhini o jantam na. Jai hok, eta dekhe amaar ma-er besh raag
>hoy (jodi-o besh thhanda mathha-r manush, unlike her daughter, I guess!)
>ebong besh khanikta shadhyo-shadhona-r por, amake ei uttor-ti
>pathhiyechhen. Sheta-o chhepe dilaam.
> **************************
>Neellohit-er "Bideshi Pakhi" alekhyo-ti-te bideshi pakhi-r shathe
>bidesh-bashi bharotiyo-der upoma-ti besh juktishongoto. Shotyi-i eder to
>pakhi-r moto-i uRe jete hoy! Hajar hajar mile paRi debar onyo kono druto
>byabosthya to aar boigNyanik-era chalu korte paren ni!
[............]
>Dohai shWonam-dhonnyo Neellohit. Apni apnar shoktishaali lekhoni shomaj-er
>oti proyojoniyo kaaj-e lagan. Dui desh-er bhougolik byabodhan bhougolik-i
>achhe chirokal thakbe. Doya kore bikrito onubhuti-r shikaar hoye dui
>desh-er ayk-i, hNya ayk-i, bharotiyo-der mon-e byabodhan baRano-y britha-i
>proyashi hoben na.
Excellent letter. Mothers always seem to get things right :-)
Santanu
Shubu Mukherjee
>> Neellohit-er "Bideshi Pakhi" alekhyo-ti-te bideshi pakhi-r shathe
>> bidesh-bashi bharotiyo-der upoma-ti besh juktishongoto. Shotyi-i eder to
>> pakhi-r moto-i uRe jete hoy! Hajar hajar mile paRi debar onyo kono druto
>> byabosthya to aar boigNyanik-era chalu korte paren ni!
From what I have heard, the technology exists today to travel between
India and the US in a couple of hours. Basically, the idea is to fly
out into space from the US and fly back into the atmosphere and
directly land in India. This technology has come out of Regan's Star
Wars program.
Currently, however, this technology is neither cost-effective nor safe
"enough" to be made commercial. However, 25 years from now we could
envision living in India and working in the US!!