Yes Virginia (Erin), there are bad people in the world, and formewr KGB head Valdimir Putin is one of them....
«Pas de deux»
I don't know how to break this to you, oh delicate one, but the sad fact is, not everybody in the world is nice, unlike in in Polyannaville where you live.
>hate for Russians is also very much contrary to the values that our NATO Alliance defends
So is Russia's lack of democracy, its border disputes, its ongoing slaughters in Chechnya, its threats against NATO members (ABltic states).... Need I continue?
>having pro-NATO Russians is a good thing, not a bad thing!
Like, who are they? ANd what do they want from NATO? Russian bases in the Baltics? Partition of Berlin all over again? Yo are so naïve!
>NATO is not "anti-Russian" - but it was anti -Soviet communism!
Wakey wakey. The new "Russia" is just the old "USSR" in disguise. Putin even brought back the antme. Statues of Stalin still stand. The policies are still the same — just not publicly stated anymore (except by Žirinovskij).
>There IS a difference between the Russians as a group of people and Soviet communism!
Ha ha ha! Know any other good ones? First their were the plain old tsari, then the red tsari (Stalin, etc) and know Putin is the 'new look' tsar. But the same beastly imperialist bullying goes on.
>I've met a couple of those leaders, including Jamie Shea, and they do not hate anyone, but would like to see positive, peaceful relations between NATO
>and all nations, including Russia!
And I've met Céline Dion and spoken to her in French.
>Also - NATO and its Treaty were created and defined in positive terms. I
>highly doubt that you have even sat down are read the North Atlantic Treaty.
>I have not only read it - but studied it.
Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect....
>I have researched the foundations of NATO and written about it for several years.
I give you 2 out of 10. Study harder. Smoke less dope.
>I am in touch with people and professors who are involved in NATO and transatlantic affairs.
I touched Céline Dion and gave her a French kiss.
>I have actually attended events with NATO leaders.
I talked to the Pope in Lithuanian. (His mum was Lithuanian — he knows a few words.)
>There is NO ONE involved in NATO that defines Russians, Serbs, Muslims, or anyone else as "the enemy."
But would they buy a used tank from them?
>I know a professor (my mentor) who actually knew Ted Achilles and Clarence Streit - but you probable do not even know who Ted
>Achilles was do you?
Lloyd George knew my father....
*** Tell me who Ted Achilles was? Hummmm?! ***
Well, dum dum, we all know he's the guy who got an arrow in the heel in «Ben Hur».
*** Can you tell me about the "Omaha milkman" and how it related to the
creation of the North Atlantic Treaty?! ***
He's your daddy? Shame on your mum!
>To continue to state that "Russia is the enemy of NATO" is to believe something that is wrong, without foundation, and even offensive to the NATO
>Alliance and the principles and purposes of the North Atlantic Treaty. Your anti-Russian mentality is an insult to our NATO Alliance!
Well you go ahead and report us to Achilles the Heel.
>Now if you want to seriously read about the true purposes of NATO and NATO's new mission in the post-Cold War world, I would be happy to indulge you in
>that reality without insulting you. And that invitation is open to all on these newsgroups. If you want to have an intelligent discussion about NATO
>without insults or racist stereotypes - I can do that!
I think you're lonely and bored.
>I will no long answer posts from posters who engage in stereotypes, laced with bigotry, and who appear to engage in Cold War rehash.
Good! Drop out altogether, even better.
>Those who especially fail to come to the reality that the Cold War has been over for a decade, that Russia is not the enemy of NATO, and that even insult our NATO Alliance by failing to acknowledge that its new mission is countering terrorism and fluid threats of the post Cold War age!
Your last sentence was ungrammatical as well as stupid.
>I will not engage posters who do not follow MODERN and CURRENT policy and activities of our NATO Alliance!
I doubt that you'll ever get engaged.
>You need to first get a life..
I wouldn't trade you yours for mine, that's for bloody sure!
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>Reality is that the Cold War is OVER and our NATO Alliance is a partner with Russia!
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>Reality is that our NATO Alliance has adapted for the new threats of the post Cold War world!
Did you meet George Bush too?
>And the reason why you are stuck in the Cold War could very well be due to
>what appears to be a refusal to READ and LEARN about the CURRENT - post
>1991 - state of NATO security and transatlantic affairs...
More likely to be due to our knowledge of historoy and firsthand experience of Russians.
Gintautas Kaminskas
treasure
railroaded by NATO or the Hague Court or some such, is it not?
I presume the Cubans and Chinese are also our good fuzzy "Uncles" too? And
North Koreans?
The trouble with trying to pretend that NATO is only there to fight 'terror'
or 'terrorists' is that when you have a fuzzy, non-defined (I mean
non-defined, not undefined) enemy is that of the problem of fighting the
Boogeyman. You can never get rid of Him. No matter how many times you look
under the bed, He might still be there next time.
And He is always conveniently available whenever you need to scare the
infants and children. Terrorists are not an Enemy, they are Orwell's
Oceania. A mean's of obtaining or maintaining power through Fear! Fear!
This is not a proper or legitimate use or mission for NATO.
This was the formula that Stalin and Hitler used,
and for NATO to now adopt this Bogeyman of "countering terrorism" is to say
that NATO lost and the Nazis and Soviets won because we have thereby become
the enemy.
(America in, Germany down, Russia Out, it worked to maintain peace for over
50 years -
NO need to abandon a winning formula)
-- Kovas
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"ĢPas de deuxģ" <kamou...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Erin La Porte wrote a whole lot of undergraduate-mentality nonsense.
I don't know how to break this to you, oh delicate one, but the sad fact is,
not everybody in the world is nice, unlike in in Polyannaville where you
live.
>hate for Russians is also very much contrary to the values that our NATO
Alliance defends
So is Russia's lack of democracy, its border disputes, its ongoing
slaughters in Chechnya, its threats against NATO members (ABltic states)....
Need I continue?
>having pro-NATO Russians is a good thing, not a bad thing!
Like, who are they? ANd what do they want from NATO? Russian bases in the
Baltics? Partition of Berlin all over again? Yo are so naīve!
>NATO is not "anti-Russian" - but it was anti -Soviet communism!
Wakey wakey. The new "Russia" is just the old "USSR" in disguise. Putin
even brought back the antme. Statues of Stalin still stand. The policies
are still the same - just not publicly stated anymore (except by
Zirinovskij).
>There IS a difference between the Russians as a group of people and Soviet
communism!
Ha ha ha! Know any other good ones? First their were the plain old tsari,
then the red tsari (Stalin, etc) and know Putin is the 'new look' tsar. But
the same beastly imperialist bullying goes on.
>I've met a couple of those leaders, including Jamie Shea, and they do not
hate anyone, but would like to see positive, peaceful relations between NATO
>and all nations, including Russia!
And I've met Céline Dion and spoken to her in French.
>Also - NATO and its Treaty were created and defined in positive terms. I
>highly doubt that you have even sat down are read the North Atlantic
Treaty.
>I have not only read it - but studied it.
Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect....
>I have researched the foundations of NATO and written about it for several
years.
I give you 2 out of 10. Study harder. Smoke less dope.
>I am in touch with people and professors who are involved in NATO and
transatlantic affairs.
I touched Céline Dion and gave her a French kiss.
>I have actually attended events with NATO leaders.
I talked to the Pope in Lithuanian. (His mum was Lithuanian - he knows a
few words.)
>There is NO ONE involved in NATO that defines Russians, Serbs, Muslims, or
anyone else as "the enemy."
But would they buy a used tank from them?
>I know a professor (my mentor) who actually knew Ted Achilles and Clarence
Streit - but you probable do not even know who Ted
>Achilles was do you?
Lloyd George knew my father....
*** Tell me who Ted Achilles was? Hummmm?! ***
Well, dum dum, we all know he's the guy who got an arrow in the heel in ĢBen
Hurģ.
[crap deleted]
[crap left in]
More likely to be due to our knowledge of history and firsthand experience
of Russians.
Gintautas Kaminskas
Uno Hu
> This is the same Erin that believes the peaceful fun loving Serbs were
> railroaded by NATO or the Hague Court or some such, is it not?
>
> I presume the Cubans and Chinese are also our good fuzzy "Uncles" too? And
> North Koreans?
Both of you are correct.
Erin sips badly aged slovovitz and the Chinese are rubbing Manchurian
sleeves together plotting our downfall... written right there in their
russkie-chinese strategic treaty of 2002.
> The trouble with trying to pretend that NATO is only there to fight 'terror'
> or 'terrorists' is that when you have a fuzzy, non-defined (I mean
> non-defined, not undefined) enemy is that of the problem of fighting the
> Boogeyman. You can never get rid of Him. No matter how many times you look
> under the bed, He might still be there next time.
To be sure.
It is hard (impossible) to fight an adjective. But it does provide
cover for business profits, and other transfers of wealth. 'Vive les
boogeymens'.
> This is not a proper or legitimate use or mission for NATO.
It isn't. It isn't even in the NATO charter. Extra-curricular
activities can, of course be had - but they cost extra and require
private deals.
> This was the formula that Stalin and Hitler used,
> and for NATO to now adopt this Bogeyman of "countering terrorism" is to say
> that NATO lost and the Nazis and Soviets won because we have thereby become
> the enemy.
Especially as that boogeyman was first introduced to the world by
Putin eg; Elmer Fudd: 'Wascally Wahhabies".
> (America in, Germany down, Russia Out, it worked to maintain peace for over
> 50 years - NO need to abandon a winning formula)
> -- Kovas
Exactly!
> >hate for Russians is also very much contrary to the values that our NATO
> Alliance defends
>
> So is Russia's lack of democracy, its border disputes, its ongoing
> slaughters in Chechnya, its threats against NATO members (ABltic states)....
> Need I continue?
Need I add here that NATO only exists to counter russian adventurism?
The new NATO seems to want to ensure this by using various pinkish
'political glues' rather than anti-tank missiles... but the purpose
hasn't changed. Erin simply huffs too much glue.
> >having pro-NATO Russians is a good thing, not a bad thing!
>
> Like, who are they? ANd what do they want from NATO? Russian bases in the
> Baltics? Partition of Berlin all over again? Yo are so naļve!
Erin obviously believes that daily anti-NATO-Baltic rants from the
russian foreign ministry must be be abberations from the russian norm.
The sad part of it is that they have been abbe[rant] for at least 800
years and show no signs of even slowing down.
> >NATO is not "anti-Russian" - but it was anti -Soviet communism!
> Wakey wakey. The new "Russia" is just the old "USSR" in disguise. Putin
> even brought back the antme. Statues of Stalin still stand. The policies
> are still the same - just not publicly stated anymore (except by
> Zirinovskij).
Oh, I wouldn't say that. Russkie Defensive minister Ivanov does a
fairly good imitation.
> >There IS a difference between the Russians as a group of people and Soviet
> communism!
>
> Ha ha ha! Know any other good ones? First their were the plain old tsari,
> then the red tsari (Stalin, etc) and know Putin is the 'new look' tsar. But
> the same beastly imperialist bullying goes on.
KGBists are now staffing the russian government's (some 60%) high
level positions. This is *worse* than the status of Gorbie sovietism -
where the majority of high level offices were occupied by mere
self-serving flunkies wearing red pins on their lapels.
> >I've met a couple of those leaders, including Jamie Shea, and they do not
> hate anyone, but would like to see positive, peaceful relations between NATO
> >and all nations, including Russia!
>
> And I've met Céline Dion and spoken to her in French.
>
> >Also - NATO and its Treaty were created and defined in positive terms. I
> >highly doubt that you have even sat down are read the North Atlantic
> Treaty.
> >I have not only read it - but studied it.
> Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect....
Hey I been studying it too.
It sez; 'Keep them russkies outta Europe."
> >I have researched the foundations of NATO and written about it for several
> years.
>
> I give you 2 out of 10. Study harder. Smoke less dope.
Hahha..
Boo,
Uno Hu