Zyuganov: Communists will get another whack at it in Russia
Eugene Holman
Russians, not to mention their neighbirs, want to see is the communists
back in charge of the Kremlin.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Source: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-36782520081129
<quote>
Crisis will help us regain power - Russia's Communists
Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:56pm IST
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's Communists expect the global financial crisis
will cause social unrest and help them challenge for power, the party's
leader said on Saturday.
Gennady Zyuganov told the party's annual congress the Communists should
make maximum use of the growing public discontent caused by the economic
downturn to try to restore their political strength.
"The wind of history is blowing in our sails again ... At this time of
crisis the world of imperialism is starting to die. We are standing on the
threshold of political and social shifts," Zyuganov said in a 2-hour
speech opening the congress.
Russia's Communists ruled the Soviet Union for eight decades and remained
a major opposition force for several years after the collapse of the
Soviet Union at the end of 1991.
But the party has since lost much of its authority and many analysts say
it is too weak to seriously challenge for power.
The Russian authorities are trying to minimise the impact of the financial
crisis by promising billions of dollars of state aid. Prime Minister
Vladimir Putin has pledged higher social payments to the needy and lower
taxes for business.
"The authorities are clearly not coping with managing the country ... A
mass social protest is brewing and it is hard to predict now when and in
what shape it will explode," Zyuganov said.
The Kremlin has acknowledged the crisis will lead to a rise in popular
discontent, challenging the massive popularity that Putin secured in eight
years as president and handed on to his successor, Dmitry Medvedev.
Medvedev has ordered police to stamp out any social unrest arising from
the crisis and Interior Minister Rashid Nurgaliyev has said higher
unemployment could lead to a rise in crime.
"We should secure the support of society well before the political crisis
comes ... We have to squeeze everything we can from this situation,"
Zyuganov said.
Zyuganov trailed far behind Medvedev at the presidential election in March
and his party's contingent in parliament is dwarfed by the pro-Kremlin
majority.
Many Russians associate Communist rule with empty shelves in the shops and
endless queues.
Russia has been among the biggest losers from the global financial crisis.
The benchmark RTS stock exchange has fallen about 70 percent since peaks
in May, and the rouble has been hit by tumbling prices for oil, Russia's
main export.
The impact on ordinary people so far has been limited, partly because
share ownership is not widespread and few people have private pensions.
But firms in some sectors have started laying off staff.
Russia's liberal opposition movement, Solidarity, also predicts that the
fallout from the economic crisis will force Putin and Medvedev from power
by 2012.
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Andrius
Dmitry
> will cause social unrest and help them challenge for power, the party's
Will they try to re-capture Winter Palace or go straight for Kremlin?
>
> Gennady Zyuganov told the party's annual congress the Communists should
> make maximum use of the growing public discontent caused by the economic
> downturn to try to restore their political strength.
>
> "The wind of history is blowing in our sails again ... At this time of
> crisis the world of imperialism is starting to die. We are standing on the
> threshold of political and social shifts," Zyuganov said in a 2-hour
> speech opening the congress.
And if he spoke even slower he could meet the length standard set by
Brezhnev Leonid Iljich.
What he fails to (or pretends not to) understand is that Putin has
already secured the support of the majority of pro-Sovoks. Ziuganov
won’t gain more than an extra boiled baby potato for his lunch.
Munching on economic crises is a popular and easy strategy, but I
don’t think this will bring him to Kremlin’s throne.
ostap_be...@hotmail.com
Well, if the energy prices tank further and for long, Putin and
Medvedev will lose their popularity....
Peter
Dmitry wrote;
<<Ziuganov won't gain more than an extra boiled baby potato for his
lunch. Munching on economic crises is a popular and easy strategy, but I
don't think this will bring him to Kremlin's throne.>>
Czar of Russia probably thought exactly the same back in 1913. Look what
happened.
Remember Zyuganov nearly won Russian presidency back in 1996.
P.
Dmitry
Do you really think that Russian people are so pragmatic? Besides,
has Ziuganov a plan that can turn Russian economy to a success?
Dmitry
> Dmitry wrote;
> <<Ziuganov won't gain more than an extra boiled baby potato for his
> lunch. Munching on economic crises is a popular and easy strategy, but I
> don't think this will bring him to Kremlin's throne.>>
>
> Czar of Russia probably thought exactly the same back in 1913. Look what
> happened.
Well, it was a different time and different circumstances. Poverty
then isn't comparable to poverty today. Education was on a very low
level and the regime was far more brutal than Putin's. WWI played a
crucial role too.
> Remember Zyuganov nearly won Russian presidency back in 1996.
At that time it was only 5 years since USSR collapsed. Under Yestsin
the economy wasn't doing well and many people thought that they were
better off under communists. Today it is much harder to make a case
by simply employing nostalgia.
>
> P.
Vladimir Makarenko
I doubt that - right now economy is holding fast there. There is more
than enough money for soft landing to be stretched over a half or a
whole year. By the time quite a few countries will go titanic and just
looking at and comparing the Russians will feel lucky.
Again - some civil unrest in the countries doomed by the incoming Super
Crisis is inevitable: looks like there will be blood.
Real music will start in January-March across the world. Russians have
enough time and money to get prepared if they have any brains. And so
far they proved they do.
VM.
vienal...@hotmail.com
"...Russians have
enough time and money to get prepared if they have any brains. And so
far they proved they do."
No they haven't. Never in their history. After all the centuries in
which Europe advanced, the Russians stayed African.
Simple extortion from the peasantry, back then, and simple extortion
from business, now. There was never any other Idea.
R.
(The Reds? All the slogans, chants & demos required for popular
support to allow continued extortion of the workers.)
Andrius
What is your education, boy? Even the worst Rusofob Henry accept
Russians history deed.
Regards,
http://labaslietuva.blogspot.com
Vladimir Makarenko
Why so upset, - a bigger baboon took your banana?
And yes - viva Africa!
VM.
vienal...@hotmail.com
..."...accept Russians history deed."
Sure. What does "Russians history deed" mean?
R.
vienal...@hotmail.com
> vienalga_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 3:46 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "...Russians have
> > enough time and money to get prepared if they have any brains. And so
> > far they proved they do."
>
> > No they haven't. Never in their history. After all the centuries in
> > which Europe advanced, the Russians stayed African.
> Why so upset, - a bigger baboon took your banana?
>
> And yes - viva Africa!
You clearly like their diseases. Cholera should follow the others as
the Oil Prices pack up.
So, when does the Russian Empire resume?
R.
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Dec 4, 9:01 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> vienalga_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Dec 3, 3:46 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "...Russians have
>>> enough time and money to get prepared if they have any brains. And so
>>> far they proved they do."
>>> No they haven't. Never in their history. After all the centuries in
>>> which Europe advanced, the Russians stayed African.
> ...
>> Why so upset, - a bigger baboon took your banana?
>>
>> And yes - viva Africa!
>
> You clearly like their diseases.
That is not true - that is exactly what I don't like about Africa: the
Glossina fly and exotic diseases. My ancestors left the old continent
quite a while ago and the body dropped some defenses since then. Isn't
it much nicer to suffer and die from such cozy and white, civilized Euro
diseases as Alzheimer, heart attack, cancer, emphysema, etc. Zyclon B is
of course is a king of Euro civilization products. Dengue fever on the
other hand is very uncivilized.
> Cholera should follow the others as
> the Oil Prices pack up.
That is a revelation - that Cholera and the others are correlated with
fall of the Oil prices - you should inform about your finding the NYT or
maybe even PNAS.
> So, when does the Russian Empire resume?
Resume what? I haven't seen its cheerful parade of joy being
interrupted. If you have any bad news for me - hurry on - break my heart.
VM.
> R.
Andrius
ostap_be...@hotmail.com
Of course. As Clinton's campaign manager James? Carwell? said in 1992,
"It (elections) is about the economy, stupid!"
>
> Besides, has Ziuganov a plan that can turn Russian economy to a success?-
>
Of course not. Zyuganov has a 0.1% chance to be elected. But somebody
else other than Medvedev and Putin might.
ostap_be...@hotmail.com
I hate to spoil your parade of ignorance, but historically, Russia has
suffered from epidemics like cholera or the plague to a lesser degree
than the rest of Europe:.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
The Black Death, or the Black Plague, was one of the deadliest
pandemics in human history, widely thought to have been caused by a
bacterium named Yersinia pestis (Plague),[1] but recently attributed
by some to other diseases.
The pandemic is thought to have begun in Central Asia, and spread to
Europe during the 1340s.[2][3] The total number of deaths worldwide is
estimated at 75 million people,[4] approximately 25–50 million of
which occurred in Europe.[5][6] The Black Death is estimated to have
killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population.[7][8][9] It may have reduced
the world's population from an estimated 450 million to between 350
and 375 million in 1400.[10]
The plague is thought to have returned every generation with varying
virulence and mortalities until the 1700s.[11] During this period,
more than 100 plague epidemics swept across Europe.[12] On its return
in 1603, the plague killed 38,000 Londoners.[13] Other notable 17th
century outbreaks were the Italian Plague of 1629–1631, and the Great
Plague of Seville (1647–1652), the Great Plague of London (1665–1666),
[14] and the Great Plague of Vienna (1679). There is some controversy
over the identity of the disease, but in its virulent form, after the
Great Plague of Marseille in 1720–1722,[15] the Great Plague of 1738
(which hit eastern Europe), and the 1771 plague in Moscow, it seems to
have disappeared from Europe in the 19th century.
ch....@hotmail.com
Zyuganov actually won in 1996, through no fault of his own, which
scared him completely. Fortunately for him the situation was fixed in
Yeltsin's favor.
regards,
BM
vienal...@hotmail.com
... After all the centuries in
which Europe advanced, the Russians stayed African.
> >> And yes - viva Africa!
>
> > You clearly like their diseases.
> > So, when does the Russian Empire resume?
>
> Resume what? I haven't seen its cheerful parade of joy being
> interrupted. If you have any bad news for me - hurry on - break my heart.
>
> VM.
Who wants any hearts broken? History shows the Russians produce
nothing but misery for anyone they deal with. Especially themselves.
So it's important to keep them out of World Affairs. The Balts, Poles
and most of Eastern Europe will do that.
R.
Dmitry
> nothing but misery for anyone they deal with.
Russia also produces gas, oil, weapons and billionaires.
> Especially themselves.
> So it's important to keep them out of World Affairs. The Balts, Poles
> and most of Eastern Europe will do that.
The Balts&Poles won't be able to do that, even with Bulgarian help.
>
> R.
Vladimir Makarenko
If you don't want misery. You want what? A road to success is lying
through misery. Blood and battle. And Death. And Heroism. Burned tanks,
sunk ships, widows and orphans. Cities on fire. The whole countries
wiped out. And Then Memorials. And Victory. And books in libraries. And
jobs for hundreds of guys who claim to be historians.
Per Aspera ad Astra.
Africa? Africa's in My Heart.
Blood Diamonds.
Riches.Blood.
Money.Blood.
Sweet.
You are weak. Leave or rise up to the cause.
VM.
vienal...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
vienal...@hotmail.com
"... Leave or rise up to the cause."
>
I've got my cause and it requires no apocalyptic hyperbole.
The cause is Civilisation, a condition that took centuries of effort
and has nothing to do with current overheated Noise.
Most of the Noise being Lefty Lying.
But more on that later.
R.
(So where does the 'Per Aspera Ad Astra' come from? Moscow Boys High?)
vienal...@hotmail.com
It should have been "..will help to do that". As much as possible, if
there's voting on membership of anything.
That's all.
They say the dollar price of oil could sink to the Twenties. It's
entertaining to watch how every buck less progressively dampens the
noise from the Russian Empire.
R.
Vladimir Makarenko
Yeah, yeah. Right to me only a Wall.
Now let's cut the crap - you came and murdered 27 mln of My people. You
were killing Everybody in sight. Women, Children, Oldies. You PERVERTS
Enjoined that. Try to blame it on Germans - make my day.
After we hit back we were VERY MERCIFUL: We SPARED YOUR pow, YOUR women
and children.
WE ARE NOT TO BE THAT STUPID NEXT TIME. Period.
Talk to me about the Name of the Rose.
VM.
PS. about civilization - which YOUR bandit adventures you have on your
mind - those before AD or after?
PSS. Russkies are deadly serious about going to Mars - I just saw on TV
a prototype of their landing module - no parachute.
vienal...@hotmail.com
> Yeah, yeah. Right to me only a Wall.
> Now let's cut the crap - you came and murdered 27 mln of My people. You
> were killing Everybody in sight. Women, Children, Oldies. You PERVERTS
> Enjoined that. Try to blame it on Germans - make my day.
> After we hit back we were VERY MERCIFUL: We SPARED YOUR pow, YOUR women
> and children.
Your Tribe have traditionally been Clowns.
To the Chinese, Turks, Mongols, Scandinavians, Germans,Japanese or
anyone else you dealt with, at any point in history. Drunken buffoons.
Lots of dumb swearing and farting. And illiterate posts like the one
above.
R.
Maris
<vma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>vienal...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 11, 2:21 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "... Leave or rise up to the cause."
>>
>> I've got my cause and it requires no apocalyptic hyperbole.
>> The cause is Civilisation, a condition that took centuries of effort
>> and has nothing to do with current overheated Noise.
>> Most of the Noise being Lefty Lying.
>> But more on that later.
>> R.
>> (So where does the 'Per Aspera Ad Astra' come from? Moscow Boys High?)
>
>Yeah, yeah. Right to me only a Wall.
>Now let's cut the crap - you came and murdered 27 mln of My people. You
>were killing Everybody in sight. Women, Children, Oldies. You PERVERTS
>Enjoined that. Try to blame it on Germans - make my day.
>After we hit back we were VERY MERCIFUL: We SPARED YOUR pow, YOUR women
>and children.
>
You really are hallucinating! Who are you blaming for your 27m (or
whatever the latest escalated figure mught be). How many of those were
killed by the KGB executioners specially placed to pick of any
retreating Soviet troops (including illegally conscripted Balts
probably). As for sparing anybody - do us a favour!
Anyway, surprised that nobody has mentioned the current BBC series
'Behind Closed Doors' detailing the war crimes of the Soviets and all
of what went on out of sight. This weeks episode dwelt on the mass
Soviet rape of Hungarian women on 'liberating' Budapest. Next week is
the sixth and last episode but the series can still be viewed online -
just go to the BBC website (BBC2).
>WE ARE NOT TO BE THAT STUPID NEXT TIME. Period.
>
>Talk to me about the Name of the Rose.
>
>VM.
>
>PS. about civilization - which YOUR bandit adventures you have on your
>mind - those before AD or after?
>
>PSS. Russkies are deadly serious about going to Mars - I just saw on TV
>a prototype of their landing module - no parachute.
>
Perhaps it could be arranged for the whole Stalin-loving population to
migrate to there.
Maris
Vladimir Makarenko
Whatever you say. The bottom line is - we win, you lose.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Is BBC making series "Behind Open Doors"? about British adventures in
colonies in 50-ties?
It'll be a hit in Europe to learn how British
"herded more than 300,000 Kenyans into gulags to be whipped, castrated
and raped. Many had their eardrums burst with knives, others were doused
in paraffin and burned alive. The soldiers were told they could kill
anyone they wanted “so long as he is black”
I can only repeat - the Soviets never really learned how to run colonies.
> detailing the war crimes of the Soviets and all
> of what went on out of sight. This weeks episode dwelt on the mass
> Soviet rape of Hungarian women on 'liberating' Budapest. Next week is
> the sixth and last episode but the series can still be viewed online -
> just go to the BBC website (BBC2).
>
>> WE ARE NOT TO BE THAT STUPID NEXT TIME. Period.
>>
>> Talk to me about the Name of the Rose.
>>
>> VM.
>>
>> PS. about civilization - which YOUR bandit adventures you have on your
>> mind - those before AD or after?
>>
>> PSS. Russkies are deadly serious about going to Mars - I just saw on TV
>> a prototype of their landing module - no parachute.
>>
> Perhaps it could be arranged for the whole Stalin-loving population to
> migrate to there.
>
> Maris
Hm, I don't think Georgians are such funs of Stalin. I mean - they love
him, sure, but not to that degree.
VM.
Andrius
The most mysterious and non-uderstandable situation for me how and why
that has happened.
Regards,
http://labaslietuva.blogspot.com