Where are the Balts? Exterminated?
Barnim
and a few madly screaming Zhyds from one corner or another.
What has happend?
A little Holocaust of the Balts?
disgusted,
Barnim
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
You must be the Lech Kaczyński of Usenet. Are you back to give Poles a
bad name?
Vladimir Makarenko
It is quite an insult to Lech Kazcynsky.
VM.
Barnim
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> Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 4:40 am, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> >> I see here only a bunch of Rooskie Cannibals running around
> >> and a few madly screaming Zhyds from one corner or another.
> >>
> >> What has happend?
> >> A little Holocaust of the Balts?
> >>
> >> disgusted,
> >> Barnim
> >>
> >
> > bad name?
> >
>
> It is quite an insult to Lech Kazcynsky.
>
> VM.
OK, we have one rooskie Cannibal and one screaming Jew.
But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
longing,
Barnim
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> U ytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@nospamgmail.com> napisa w wiadomo cinews:Xv2dnXYuS8vN1qvW...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
> > > On Dec 26, 4:40 am, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> > >> I see here only a bunch of Rooskie Cannibals running around
> > >> and a few madly screaming Zhyds from one corner or another.
>
> > >> What has happend?
> > >> A little Holocaust of the Balts?
>
> > >> disgusted,
> > >> Barnim
>
> > > You must be the Lech Kaczy ski of Usenet. Are you back to give Poles a
> > > bad name?
>
> > It is quite an insult to Lech Kazcynsky.
>
> > VM.
>
> OK, we have one rooskie Cannibal and one screaming Jew.
>
You have a screaming Jew where? In Poland? I doubt it. Younger Jews
have all escaped from your bigoted country, and older Jews like
Stanislaw Lem are dead. What does Poland do these days for arts and
sciences? Well, I guess Jerzy Hoffman is still alive and living in
Poland... Or is he?
>
> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
Turkey is to the east of Greece, but you can find lots of Turkish
soldiers at various NATO bases, I am sure. When you lick your beloved
NATO asses, some of these asses are Turkish.
Tadas Blinda
>
> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
By the way, how's Bailey ?
Vladimir Makarenko
He doesn't have money for it, he slurps samogon.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
Btw where have you been? - for quite a while no sound from you.
VM.
Tadas Blinda
wrote:
What's the point of loitering around graveyards? SBC is a graveyard.
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Dec 27, 10:34 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@nospamgmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Tadas Blinda wrote:
>>> On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>>>> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
>>>> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>>> Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
>>> By the way, how's Bailey ?
>> Btw where have you been? - for quite a while no sound from you.
>>
>> VM.
>
> What's the point of loitering around graveyards? SBC is a graveyard.
You sound like a Russian in 1991. "we are dead dead dead".
Numbers of participants doesn't matter - quality does. It was a
difficult year, we lost Henry and MTRP but new people came and valuable.
And in some strange way the both Henry and MTRP changed my ways I think
about Baltics. Henry in his rude way many years ago explained me that we
Rooskies didn't liberated you ( I thought before we did). MTRP showed
ways I now exercise in my work.
I picked up from you a lot.
So do not get gloomy - it is my turn, I still cannot solve th f***
problem and tomorrow is Monday.
Merry Christmas,
VM.
Barnim
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On Dec 26, 4:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> U ytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@nospamgmail.com> napisa w wiadomo cinews:Xv2dnXYuS8vN1qvW...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
> > > On Dec 26, 4:40 am, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> > >> I see here only a bunch of Rooskie Cannibals running around
> > >> and a few madly screaming Zhyds from one corner or another.
>
> > >> What has happend?
> > >> A little Holocaust of the Balts?
>
> > >> disgusted,
> > >> Barnim
>
> > > You must be the Lech Kaczy ski of Usenet. Are you back to give Poles a
> > > bad name?
>
> > It is quite an insult to Lech Kazcynsky.
>
> > VM.
>
> OK, we have one rooskie Cannibal and one screaming Jew.
>
You have a screaming Jew where? In Poland?
-----------------------
And you think I hold you for whom? Rooskie maybe?
Even if my contempt for Rooskie race and culture is indeed intense,
you are way too short to count as Rooskie.
I doubt it. Younger Jews
have all escaped from your bigoted country, and older Jews like
Stanislaw Lem are dead. What does Poland do these days for arts and
sciences? Well, I guess Jerzy Hoffman is still alive and living in
Poland... Or is he?
-----------------------
I am damn well educated, but never heard those names!
What did they specialize in? Incest, coprophagy, porn, swindle
or any other of your traditional activities, you are renown for?
> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
Turkey is to the east of Greece, but you can find lots of Turkish
soldiers at various NATO bases, I am sure. When you lick your beloved
NATO asses, some of these asses are Turkish.
-----------------------
As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
I tell you one thing, United States, with all its numerous shortcomings,
has one giant advantage. It makes Rooskie to losers.
And that's a Good Thing.
Barnim
PS
Just wondering whether you have your mattress ready, in case
your fellows Americans decide to draw a cheque for economic
collapse, a few bloody wars, fall of the Towers..
But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
good 70% belong to your race. Btw, how is Berezowsky doing?
Still alive?
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas....@lycos.es> napisal w wiadomosci
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On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
----------
Right on tavarishch!
We get in Poland something like 2 millions of gastarbeiters
from former Soviet Union, and they mostly look like that!
I am no mongole myself, sorry you didn't found a brother :-)
By the way, how's Bailey ?
----------
Bailey, Bailey? A little panic here, what the hell, I don't know the guy..
Ok, looked below for your friendly rooskie comment, now I got it :-)
My usual stock is Chivas Regal, Glenfiddich, sometimes Glenmorangie.
I don't know, maybe they are not on the same shelves with Baileys?
Actually recently I started to enjoy more Polish vodka, �ubr�wka and
Sobieski brand. They have a lot to recommend them.
Barnim
PS
You are from Kazakhstan, Ubekistan, Lithauauania or Rooskiestan?
Just curious..
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:2e856fd5-8c1e-45be...@m33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
While the Nazi skinhead camps may have educated you to the art of
marching in goose-step, you really shouldn't have dropped out of
school after you were told to repeat the 1st grade for the 4th time.
There are special schools for mentally challenged people like you, you
know.
And had you ever finished 2nd grade, you surely would have known about
Jerzy Hoffman and especially Stanislaw Lem - one of the famous Poles
of modern times, the man better known to Poles than, say, Stephen King
is known to Americans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem
Stanisław Lem (12 September 1921 – 27 March 2006) was a Polish science
fiction, philosophical and satirical writer. Lem was named a Knight of
the Order of the White Eagle [1]. His books have been translated into
41 languages and have sold over 27 million copies.[2] He is perhaps
best known as the author of Solaris, which has twice been made into a
feature film. In 1976, Theodore Sturgeon claimed that Lem was the most
widely read science-fiction writer in the world.[3]
His works explore philosophical themes; speculation on technology, the
nature of intelligence, the impossibility of mutual communication and
understanding, despair about human limitations and humankind's place
in the universe. They are sometimes presented as fiction, but others
are in the form of essays or philosophical books.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Hoffman
erzy Hoffman (ur. 15 marca 1932 w Krakowie) - polski reżyser i
scenarzysta filmowy żydowskiego pochodzenia[1][2], Honorowy Obywatel
Bydgoszczy i Gorlic.
Pochodzi z rodziny lekarzy. Dzieciństwo spędził w Gorlicach. W wieku
siedmiu lat (1939 r.) został wywieziony wraz z rodziną na Syberię. W
drugiej połowie lat 40. przeniósł się do Bydgoszczy, gdzie podjął
naukę w I Liceum Ogólnokształcącym im. Cypriana Kamila Norwida.
Kontynuował naukę na studiach reżyserskich w Instytucie Filmowym w
Moskwie. Od 1954 realizuje filmy dokumentalne, a od 1962 fabularne. W
1980 został kierownikiem artystycznym Zespołu Filmowego „Zodiak”. Jako
jedyny z pełną odpowiedzialnością podjął się sfilmowania Trylogii
Sienkiewicza.
W ciągu lat swej pracy artystycznej, Jerzy Hoffman został uhonorowany
wieloma nagrodami i odznaczeniami. Jest posiadaczem m.in. tytułu
honorowego "Zasłużony dla kultury narodowej". Jego filmy nagradzano
laurami festiwalowymi i wyróżnieniami, m.in. "Syrenka Warszawska",
Nagroda na MFF w Wenecji, Nagroda I, II, III stopnia Ministra Kultury
i Sztuki, nominacja do Oscara i wiele innych nagród. Honorowe
Obywatelstwo Bydgoszczy otrzymał w roku 2003. Był członkiem komitetu
wyborczego Włodzimierza Cimoszewicza w wyborach prezydenckich w Polsce
2005.
Jerzy Hoffman
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jerzy Hoffman (born 1932 in Kraków, Poland) is a Polish film director
and screenwriter. He is the father of early Mac development team
member Joanna Hoffman.
--------------------------
Here is another name you probably don't know:
Adam Bernard Mickiewicz (pronounced: [mit͡sˈkjɛvit͡ʂ] ( listen); in
Russian Адам Мицкевич, in Belarusian, Адам Міцкевіч; in Lithuanian,
Adomas Bernardas Mickevičius; December 24, 1798 – November 26, 1855)
was a Polish Romantic[1][2] poet. He was one of Poland's Three Bards,
alongside Zygmunt Krasiński and Juliusz Słowacki.
Mickiewicz is also considered by some the greatest Slavic poet,
[citation needed] alongside Alexander Pushkin, and a leading author of
the Romantic school. Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznań, Poland, is
named after him.
Mickiewicz's mother, Barbara Majewska, is reputed to have been a
descendant of a Jewish Frankist family. Records have been found
indicating that among the converts was a Majewski family. As
Mickiewicz himself used the phrase "z matki obcej" ([born] from a
foreign mother) in the title of the autobiographical section of his
drama Dziady (The Forefathers Eve), the Jewish origin of his mother is
quite plausible. Such critics as Janina Maurer of the University of
Kansas and Samuel Scheps of France find further corroboration of this
theory in the fact that Mickiewicz married a woman who was also from a
Frankist family, that he represented Jewish characters in a very
positive light ( e.g. Jankiel, the patriotic Jew, in Mickiewicz's
masterpiece Pan Tadeusz). In his political writings, moreover,
Mickiewicz repeatedly referred to the Bible and compared Poland's
martyrdom and the dispersion of Poles after the November 1830 uprising
to the suffering of the Jews and the Jewish diaspora.
With his friend Armand Levy, a Romanian Jew [1], he set about
organizing a Jewish legion, the Hussars of Israel, comprising Russian
and Palestinian Jews.
>
> What did they specialize in? Incest, coprophagy, porn, swindle
> or any other of your traditional activities, you are renown for?
>
Jews are known primarily for art and science, for example, accounting
for 25% of all Nobel Prizes in sciences. There are probably 100 times
more Jewish Nobel laureates in science than Polish, although there are
3 times more Poles in the World than Jews.
>
> > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> Turkey is to the east of Greece, but you can find lots of Turkish
> soldiers at various NATO bases, I am sure. When you lick your beloved
> NATO asses, some of these asses are Turkish.
> -----------------------
> As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
Poland's...
BTW, do Russia, Ukraine and Germany still impose a ban on Polish meat,
because it's so foul? Be careful while eating meat. Keep on grazing
the grass.
>
> I tell you one thing, United States, with all its numerous shortcomings,
> has one giant advantage. It makes Rooskie to losers.
> And that's a Good Thing.
>
I have bad news for you: Bush is no longer US President.
>
> Barnim
>
> PS
> Just wondering whether you have your mattress ready, in case
> your fellows Americans decide to draw a cheque for economic
> collapse, a few bloody wars, fall of the Towers..
>
What does this mean?
>
> But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
> Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
> good 70% belong to your race.
>
My race is white/Caucasian, and 99% of oligarchs belong to my race.
What race do you belong to? The green (with envy) race?
>
> Btw, how is Berezowsky doing?
> Still alive?
>
Very much so. He is as wealthy as ever, healthy, living in London, and
working with MI5/6 and the CIA to make trouble for Putin. You may have
heard of his ass-licker Litvinenko, who got poisoned recently.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> napisal w wiadomoscinews:2ef16830-fc57-41a4...@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
> ----------
> Right on tavarishch!
>
> We get in Poland something like 2 millions of gastarbeiters
> from former Soviet Union, and they mostly look like that!
>
Are there any Poles left in Poland? I hear they have all emigrated to
Ireland and England, working as "garbage engineers".
>
> I am no mongole myself, sorry you didn't found a brother :-)
>
> My usual stock is Chivas Regal, Glenfiddich, sometimes Glenmorangie.
>
Well, I am glad you have sobered long enough to re-visit SCB and
provoke some excitement here.
Try to stay sober for a few more days, before disappearing for another
year. Take mercy on your liver.
>
> I don't know, maybe they are not on the same shelves with Baileys?
>
> Actually recently I started to enjoy more Polish vodka, ¯ubrówka and
> Sobieski brand. They have a lot to recommend them.
>
Finally a subject you know something about, eh?
Anton
> On Dec 27, 3:20 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
+----------+
| PLEASE |
| DO NOT |
| FEED THE |
| TROLLS |
+----------+
| |
| |
.\|.||/..
Do you really need to bite on all the flame bait waved in front of you?
Well it's your own time and your business how you waste it but...
--
Anton
vello
>
> I tell you one thing, United States, with all its numerous shortcomings,
> has one giant advantage. It makes Rooskie to losers.
> And that's a Good Thing.
>
> Barnim
>
Welcome, Barnim, we need guys like you!!! (And of course such guys
from "Russian side", too).
anita
>
> What's the point of loitering around graveyards? SBC is a graveyard.
Only a graveyard if nobody worthwhile posts...
Tadas Blinda
wrote:
Barnim didn't get my reference to "Bailey" – I was referring to the
Barnum & Bailey Circus, because Barnim is a clown. But a very nasty
sort of clown. A sociopath, in fact. Re his poisonous domain
"litwa.pl":
Google Browsing Diagnostic page for litwa.pl
What is the current listing status for litwa.pl?
Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm
your computer.
What happened when Google visited this site?
Of the 13 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 9 page
(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed
without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on
2009-12-22, and the last time suspicious content was found on this
site was on 2009-12-22.
Malicious software includes 10 scripting exploit(s), 7 trojan(s).
Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including
winhex.org/, minikamery.pl/, 1sense.info/.
This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS12824 (HOMEPL).
Dmitry
> Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
>
> > On Dec 27, 3:20 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> +----------+
> | PLEASE |
> | DO NOT |
> | FEED THE |
> | TROLLS |
> +----------+
> | |
> | |
> .\|.||/..
In Newquay (Cornwall), locals display "do not feed seagulls" signs,
but tourists still feed them -)) The birds are now moved from the sea
and settled in town and aren't shy to share the meal with you if you
are eating outside. I suppose it saved lives of many fishes in the
sea -)) Good job that Barnim is not as quantitive as "god" character
-))
Barnim
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----------------------
Why do you call me a Nazi and a skinhead?
I am no Nazi, I am good old Polish Fascist!
Frankly, I haven't had any other choice.
I come namely from fascist family. You can say, it's a family tradition.
The older I get, the more I appreciate it.
And had you ever finished 2nd grade, you surely would have known about
Jerzy Hoffman and especially Stanislaw Lem - one of the famous Poles
of modern times, the man better known to Poles than, say, Stephen King
is known to Americans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem
Stanis�aw Lem (12 September 1921 - 27 March 2006) was a Polish science
fiction, philosophical and satirical writer. Lem was named a Knight of
the Order of the White Eagle [1]. His books have been translated into
41 languages and have sold over 27 million copies.[2] He is perhaps
best known as the author of Solaris, which has twice been made into a
feature film. In 1976, Theodore Sturgeon claimed that Lem was the most
widely read science-fiction writer in the world.[3]
----------------------
Indeed, admittedly, comic books and SF writers are not my domain.
Here is another name you probably don't know:
Adam Bernard Mickiewicz (pronounced: [mit??s'kj?vit???] ( listen); in
Russian ???? ????????, in Belarusian, ???? ????????; in Lithuanian,
Adomas Bernardas Mickevi�ius; December 24, 1798 - November 26, 1855)
was a Polish Romantic[1][2] poet. He was one of Poland's Three Bards,
alongside Zygmunt Krasi�ski and Juliusz S�owacki.
--------------------------
Heh heh, a good one, but still you didn't try your best!
I remeber some of your fellow believers claimed Leonardo da Vinci
had a Jewish roots. One of Italian researcher let it dig further,
and indeed it came out, that Leonardo's mother was a Semite,
but, unfortunately for you, of Arabic descent :-)))))
Tough luck this time!
>
> What did they specialize in? Incest, coprophagy, porn, swindle
> or any other of your traditional activities, you are renown for?
>
Jews are known primarily for art and science, for example, accounting
for 25% of all Nobel Prizes in sciences. There are probably 100 times
more Jewish Nobel laureates in science than Polish, although there are
--------------------------
Because you are simply a chosen folk and we are simply stupid goym!
Or maybe nobel prize committee strives to pay for wrongdoings of their
cousines from the south by improving self esteem of Jewish race?
You didn't like the answer? Sincerity can be painfull, read below:
Is Israel's relatively low average IQ behind it's troubles? by anon |
04.12.2009. author: ... "Are we expecting TOO MUCH from Israel?"
Table: IQ by nation ...
phillyimc.org/en/israels-relatively-low-average-iq-behind... - Cached
Causes of IQ differences
5. The average IQ in Israel of 94 may not be so surprising, on second
look. ... not be surprising for the mixed population in Israel to have
an average IQ of 94. ...
www.sq.4mg.com/IQdifferences.htm - Cached
Calculating IQ's of groups in Israel
... Jews who immigrated to Israel had a lower average IQ then the Jews
who went to America. ... Israel, and the ones that went to America had
lower IQ than the ...
www.sq.4mg.com/IQIsraeli.htm - Cached
3 times more Poles in the World than Jews.
--------------------------
Too good to be true!
Only in Poland we still have like 150,000 - 450,000 of your kind.
Regrettable, as you are no more welcomed here.
It would be difficult to give exact numbers, but I estimate your
ethnos to be around 30-80 mln.
>
> > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> Turkey is to the east of Greece, but you can find lots of Turkish
> soldiers at various NATO bases, I am sure. When you lick your beloved
> NATO asses, some of these asses are Turkish.
> -----------------------
> As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
Poland's...
--------------------------
It isn't bad here. Check EU websites. This year we crossed
statistically half of the French wealth and matched the level
of development with Spain and Greece of late 80's.
Not bad at all. Specially considering starting point, a 1/4 of that,
when we left Rooskie zone of influence 20 years ago.
But the best is yet to come. This year my government spent
something like 2 bln from EU funds to construct our superhighways,
next year it will be 14 bln. And so on for the next 7-10 years.
BTW, do Russia, Ukraine and Germany still impose a ban on Polish meat,
--------------------------
Germania imposing ban on Polish meat? You must be surely joking!
The rest I really couldn't care less, as our export to the former SU
doesn't make even a 1% of our total volume.
You do not exist for Poland. It is as simple as that.
> I tell you one thing, United States, with all its numerous shortcomings,
> has one giant advantage. It makes Rooskie to losers.
> And that's a Good Thing.
>
I have bad news for you: Bush is no longer US President.
--------------------------
It is not about president this or that. It is about might, military power
and yes, civilization as well.
In comparision with America, Russia is simply a dwarf.
> But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
> Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
> good 70% belong to your race.
>
My race is white/Caucasian, and 99% of oligarchs belong to my race.
--------------------------
Caucasian race? What the fuck is this!
Are you perhaps a dog?
Seriously, many people here in Europe, have their own opinion,
which you certainly wouldn't like, random quote from today:
"Wir brauchen als erstes eine kl�rung des juden-problems. Juden sind keine
europ�er, sondern europ�er-heuchelnde orientalen, denen es bei uns besser
gef�llt als im juden-staat Israel."
What race do you belong to? The green (with envy) race?
--------------------------
I belong to the White Race. And I am afraid I wouldn't be able
to spot a single thing I could envy you.
>
> Btw, how is Berezowsky doing?
> Still alive?
>
Very much so. He is as wealthy as ever, healthy, living in London, and
working with MI5/6 and the CIA to make trouble for Putin. You may have
heard of his ass-licker Litvinenko, who got poisoned recently.
--------------------------
I guess, for this very event they will put one day in London a price tag
on Putin's head, when he is no more in power.
Barnim
Barnim
On Dec 27, 10:09 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
> Tadas Blinda wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> >> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> >> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> > Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
>
> > By the way, how's Bailey ?
>
> He doesn't have money for it, he slurps samogon.
>
> VM.
Barnim didn't get my reference to "Bailey" � I was referring to the
Barnum & Bailey Circus, because Barnim is a clown. But a very nasty
sort of clown. A sociopath, in fact. Re his poisonous domain
"litwa.pl":
----------------------
I knew you will love it, old goat!
Mind you, your only other option may well be litva.ru
so I wouldn't be so sour if I were you.
Barnim
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> U¿ytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisa³ w wiadomo¶cinews:f999eb3c-253f-4e45...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
How are you, fascists, treated in modern Poland? Howmuch power do you
wield? Any public officials who share your views?
>
> And had you ever finished 2nd grade, you surely would have known about
> Jerzy Hoffman and especially Stanislaw Lem - one of the famous Poles
> of modern times, the man better known to Poles than, say, Stephen King
> is known to Americans:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem
>
> Stanis³aw Lem (12 September 1921 - 27 March 2006) was a Polish science
> fiction, philosophical and satirical writer. Lem was named a Knight of
> the Order of the White Eagle [1]. His books have been translated into
> 41 languages and have sold over 27 million copies.[2] He is perhaps
> best known as the author of Solaris, which has twice been made into a
> feature film. In 1976, Theodore Sturgeon claimed that Lem was the most
> widely read science-fiction writer in the world.[3]
>>
>> His works explore philosophical themes; speculation on technology,
>> the nature of intelligence, the impossibility of mutual communication
>> and understanding, despair about human limitations and humankind's
>> place in the universe. They are sometimes presented as fiction, but
>> others are in the form of essays or philosophical books.
>
> Indeed, admittedly, comic books and SF writers are not my domain.
>
Philosophical books are not the same as comic books. I assure you
that, aside from mentally retarded fascists, all Poles know Lem and
take pride in him. He is probably the most famous post-WW2 Polish
prose writer.
>
> > What did they specialize in? Incest, coprophagy, porn, swindle
> > or any other of your traditional activities, you are renown for?
>
> Jews are known primarily for art and science, for example, accounting
> for 25% of all Nobel Prizes in sciences. There are probably 100 times
> more Jewish Nobel laureates in science than Polish, although there are
> --------------------------
>
> Because you are simply a chosen folk and we are simply stupid goym!
>
You are indeed a simplistic stupid goy. But many other Poles aren't.
>
> Or maybe nobel prize committee strives to pay for wrongdoings of their
> cousines from the south by improving self esteem of Jewish race?
>
Then how come the percentage of Jews among Nobel Prize winners
**before** WW2 was even higher than after? Did the Nobel Prize
committee anticipate the Holocaust several decades before it
occurred?
>
> You didn't like the answer? Sincerity can be painfull, read below:
>
I like it fine. What else can I expect from a logic-challenged
simpleton like yourself?
>
> Is Israel's relatively low average IQ behind it's troubles? by anon |
> 04.12.2009. author: ... "Are we expecting TOO MUCH from Israel?"
> Table: IQ by nation ...
>
Who is this "anon"? Your fascist buddy?
But speaking of IQ by nation, Israel's average IQ is reported at 94,
only 33rd in the World. But you have to remember, that European Jews
(Ashkenazi), many of whom are of Polish origin, make up a minority of
population in Israel, and their high IQ is counter-balanced by the
lower IQs of Palestinian Arabs and Jews from Arab countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence
Certain psychometric studies have recorded people of Jewish background
[clarification needed] as scoring higher than average on various tests,
[1][3] with estimates ranging from 3 to 12 points above the mean of
white gentiles, whose score is generally normalized to 100. These
studies (see references) also indicate that this advantage is
primarily in verbal and mathematical performance; spatial and visual-
perceptual performance is average.
Some statistical data on Israel, where up to 38% of its population is
composed of Ashkenazi immigrants from Europe or their descendants,
shows that Israel achieves lower average IQ scores than some of the
countries of Europe or East Asia.[5] Israel, however, is a multiethnic
society (where less than 38% of the national population have any
Ashkenazi descent),[6] with not only Jews of diverse ethnic
backgrounds, but also a sizable (over 20 percent) non-Jewish
population.
Cochran, Gregory; Hardy, Jason; and Harpending, Henry (2006): "Natural
History of Ashkenazi Intelligence" (PDF). Journal of Biosocial Science
38(5):659-693 SEP 2006.
There are several key observations that motivate our hypothesis. The
first is that the
Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group,
combined with an unusual
cognitive profile, while no similar elevation of intelligence was
observed among
Jews in classical times nor is one seen in Sephardic and Oriental Jews
today.
The Psychometric Evidence about Ashkenazi IQ
Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for
which there are
reliable data. They score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the
general European
average, corresponding to an IQ 112-115. This has been seen in many
studies (Backman,
1972; Levinson, 1959; Romanoff, 1976), although a recent review
concludes that the
advantage is slightly less, only half a standard deviation Lynn
(2004). This fact has social
significance because IQ (as measured by IQ tests) is the best
predictor we have of success
in academic subjects and most jobs. Ashkenazi Jews are just as
successful as their tested
IQ would predict, and they are hugely overrepresented in occupations
and fields with the
highest cognitive demands. During the 20th century, they made up about
3% of the US
population but won 27% of the US Nobel science prizes and 25% of the
ACM Turing
awards. They account for more than half of world chess champions.
While the mean IQ difference between Ashkenazim and other northern
Europeans may
not seem large, such a small difference maps to a large difference in
the proportion of the
population with very high IQs (Crow, 2002). For example if the mean
Ashkenazi IQ is
110 and the standard deviation is 15, then the number of northern
Europeans with IQs
greater than 140 should be 4 per thousand while 23 per thousand
Ashkenazim should
exceed the same threshold, a six fold difference.
This high IQ and corresponding high academic ability have been long
known. In 1900 in
London Jews took a disproportionate number of academic prizes and
scholarships in spite
of their poverty (Russell and Lewis, 1900). In the 1920s a survey of
IQ scores in three
London schools (Hughes, 1928) with mixed Jewish and non-Jewish student
bodies
showed that Jewish students had higher IQs than their schoolmates in
each of three
school, one prosperous, one poor, and one very poor. The differences
between Jews and
non-Jews were all slightly less than one standard deviation.
It is noteworthy that non-Ashkenazi Jews do not have high average IQ
test scores (Ortar,
1967), nor are they overrepresented in cognitively demanding fields.
>
> 3 times more Poles in the World than Jews.
> --------------------------
> Too good to be true!
>
Too bad for fascists like you.
You didn't like the answer? Sincerity can be painfull(sic).
>
> Only in Poland we still have like 150,000 - 450,000 of your kind.
>
No, you don't. Most Jews left after the anti-semitic campaign of 1968:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Jews
The vast majority of the 40,000 Jews in Poland by the late 1960s were
completely assimilated into the broader society. However, this didn't
prevent them from becoming victims of a campaign, centrally organized
by the Polish Communist Party, with Soviet backing, which equated
Jewish origins with "Zionism" and disloyalty to a Socialist Poland.
In March 1968 student-led demonstrations in Warsaw (see Polish 1968
political crisis) gave Gomułka's government an excuse to try and
channel public anti-government sentiment into another avenue. Thus his
security chief, Mieczysław Moczar, used the situation as a pretext to
launch an anti-Semitic press campaign (although the expression
"Zionist" was officially used). The state-sponsored "anti-Zionist"
campaign resulted in the removal of Jews from the Polish United
Worker's Party and from teaching positions in schools and
universities. In 1967–1971 under economic, political and secret police
pressure, over 14,000 Polish Jews were forced to leave Poland and
relinquish their Polish citizenship .[136] The leaders of the
communist party tried to stifle the ongoing protests and unrest by
scapegoating the Jews.
During the late 1970s some Jewish activists were engaged in the anti-
communist opposition groups. Most prominent among them, Adam Michnik
(founder of Gazeta Wyborcza) was one of the founders of the Workers'
Defence Committee (KOR). By the time of the fall of communism in
Poland in 1989, only 5,000–10,000 Jews remained in the country, many
of them preferring to conceal their Jewish origin.
>
> Regrettable, as you are no more welcomed here.
>
True: no more welcomed.
>
> It would be difficult to give exact numbers, but I estimate your
> ethnos to be around 30-80 mln.
>
No, it's only 13 million officially, and maybe 20 million counting
fully assimilated Jews. It just seems larger to fascists like you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Total population 13,155,000
>
> > > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> > Turkey is to the east of Greece, but you can find lots of Turkish
> > soldiers at various NATO bases, I am sure. When you lick your beloved
> > NATO asses, some of these asses are Turkish.
> > -----------------------
> > As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> > a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> > smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
> LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
> Poland's...
> --------------------------
> It isn't bad here.
>
I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
>
> Check EU websites. This year we crossed
> statistically half of the French wealth and matched the level
> of development with Spain and Greece of late 80's.
>
Well, Russia's per capita GDP is almost as high:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
55 Poland 17,400 2008 est.
56 Latvia 17,300 2008 est.
57 Russia 16,100 2008 est.
>
> Not bad at all. Specially considering starting point, a 1/4 of that,
> when we left Rooskie zone of influence 20 years ago.
>
Same for Russia.
>
> But the best is yet to come. This year my government spent
> something like 2 bln from EU funds to construct our superhighways,
> next year it will be 14 bln. And so on for the next 7-10 years.
>
> It is not about president this or that. It is about might, military power
> and yes, civilization as well.
> In comparision with America, Russia is simply a dwarf.
>
True. USA spends more money on its military than the rest of the World
combined. That's where our tax money goes: to make defence companies
wealthy. That's why the US government owes $trillions to China, Russia
etc in bond debt, and why the USA economy is in such a mess.
>
> > But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
> > Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
> > good 70% belong to your race.
>
> My race is white/Caucasian, and 99% of oligarchs belong to my race.
> --------------------------
> Caucasian race? What the fuck is this!
> Are you perhaps a dog?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid) has been used to denote the
general physical type of some or all of the indigenous populations of
Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and
South Asia.[1] The term has also sometimes been equated with the
lesser known term Europid, or Europoid,[3] although in classification
europeans were considered a sub-branch of caucasian.[4]
>
> Seriously, many people here in Europe, have their own opinion,
> which you certainly wouldn't like, random quote from today:
>
> "Wir brauchen als erstes eine klärung des juden-problems. Juden sind keine
> europäer, sondern europäer-heuchelnde orientalen, denen es bei uns besser
> gefällt als im juden-staat Israel."
>
> What race do you belong to? The green (with envy) race?
> --------------------------
> I belong to the White Race. And I am afraid I wouldn't be able
> to spot a single thing I could envy you.
>
Our feelings are surprisingly mutual.
>
>
> > Btw, how is Berezowsky doing?
> > Still alive?
>
> Very much so. He is as wealthy as ever, healthy, living in London, and
> working with MI5/6 and the CIA to make trouble for Putin. You may have
> heard of his ass-licker Litvinenko, who got poisoned recently.
> --------------------------
> I guess, for this very event they will put one day in London a price tag
> on Putin's head, when he is no more in power.
>
Maybe. Not because of Litvinenko, but because Putin pursues an
independent foreign policy.
There is zero evidence that Putin had anything to do with Litvinenko's
death.
But why would Putin ever want to go to London? Love for the English
"cuisine" like kidney pie, fish-and-chips, and scones?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
I agree with you and disagree with Anton: People like Barnim bring hot
debates.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Or if people post things that everybody agrees with.
Anton
> On 28 Dec, 06:42, Anton <anton.use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +----------+
>> | PLEASE |
>> | DO NOT |
>> | FEED THE |
>> | TROLLS |
>> +----------+
>> | |
>> | |
>> .\|.||/..
> In Newquay (Cornwall), locals display "do not feed seagulls" signs,
> but tourists still feed them -)) The birds are now moved from the sea
> and settled in town and aren't shy to share the meal with you if you
> are eating outside. I suppose it saved lives of many fishes in the
> sea -))
In F we have this tradition of throwing rice at the bride and groom when
they exit the Church after the wedding ceremony. However in many
weddings guest are advised to replace the rice with something else,
since pigeons eat it but they get constipation from it ;)
Seagulls, crows, pigeons are a familiar sight wherever there is
something to eat, like a market place, or just a grill on the street. A
buddy of mine once saw a horde of rats running on the pavement towards
the Turku market square at 3 AM. In Helsinki they have a large
population of wild rabbits, which has attracted predators such as
Eagle-owls. One of the Eagle-owls lives in the Olympic Stadium and
became a celebrity when he flew above the field in the middle of a
Finland-Germany football game. The Finns dominated that game (a 2-2 tie,
iirc) and the national football team has been called "The Eagle-owls"
ever since :)
> Good job that Barnim is not as quantitive as "god" character
> -))
I have "god" filtered and have not seen a post from him for months.
--
Anton
Anton
"Hot debates", is you (supposedly) grown up people mouth bashing each
other like a bunch of ten year olds. But as I said: it is your business
how you waste your time.
--
Anton
vello
>
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Ostap, your post was too long to read in full for me, but your
"statistics" about IQ suites perfectly nazi ideas about "supremacy2 of
one's own race.
Dmitry
> they exit the Church after the wedding ceremony.
Interesting. Rise is not a traditional Finnish crop, this tradition
must be very new.
> However in many
> weddings guest are advised to replace the rice with something else,
> since pigeons eat it but they get constipation from it ;)
What alternatives do they use?
> Seagulls, crows, pigeons are a familiar sight wherever there is
> something to eat, like a market place, or just a grill on the street.
Seagulls in Newquay are particularly outgoing. They land on your
shoulder and take whatever food you have in your hand. They are also
very large in size, so most people get terrified when the bird lands
next to their face. I camped just 3 miles outside the town and
seagull behavior was different there. They come with sunrise in
unbelievably large quantities. First they cover the sky and then
cover the ground of campsite. They munch on everything they can find,
viciously shaking every empty crisp packet or plastic bag in hope to
find some food. However, this tribe keeps at least 10 meters distance
from humans, even if you hold a biscuit in your hand.
> A
> buddy of mine once saw a horde of rats running on the pavement towards
> the Turku market square at 3 AM.
Such scenes were observed in Riga around market area.
> In Helsinki they have a large
> population of wild rabbits, which has attracted predators such as
> Eagle-owls. One of the Eagle-owls lives in the Olympic Stadium and
> became a celebrity when he flew above the field in the middle of a
> Finland-Germany football game. The Finns dominated that game (a 2-2 tie,
> iirc) and the national football team has been called "The Eagle-owls"
> ever since :)
We have foxes on the streets. They are supposed to be hunters, but in
towns they are scavengers. May be should trade foxes and rabbits with
Helsinki to bring the balance -)) It would nice to have rabbits in
towns, like they have cows in India.
>
> > Good job that Barnim is not as quantitive as "god" character
> > -))
>
> I have "god" filtered and have not seen a post from him for months.
I haven't filtered anything, but don't have "god" appearing on my
screen. He must have found another avenue for dumping his rubbish.
>
> --
> Anton
Dmitry
> screen. He must have found another avenue for dumping his rubbish.
Actually I'm wrong. Just seen 3 of his posts appearing on my screen.
Wouldn't be surprised if there will be 20 tomorrow and 50 the day
after.
Barnim
wiadomo?cinews:f999eb3c-253f-4e45...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
----------------------------------------------------
With all due honours.
My family is actively taking part in fascist veteran clubs here.
We have campfires in the midst of beautiful Polish forests,
sledge rides in snowy winters and so on. And all participants
are antisemites, surprise, surprise.
Howmuch power do you
wield? Any public officials who share your views?
----------------------------------------------------
Be serious man. This is Poland. No one is so open as you would assume.
Hypocrisy rules the land. But you know what's buzzing underneaths.
Currently circa 1/4 of population shows revisionism tendency, and yet
10 years ago it was barely 1/7. There is a constant progress and
I am happy to witness it. Not that I was not taking part in it :-))
> And had you ever finished 2nd grade, you surely would have known about
> Jerzy Hoffman and especially Stanislaw Lem - one of the famous Poles
> of modern times, the man better known to Poles than, say, Stephen King
> is known to Americans:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem
>
> Stanis3aw Lem (12 September 1921 - 27 March 2006) was a Polish science
> fiction, philosophical and satirical writer. Lem was named a Knight of
> the Order of the White Eagle [1]. His books have been translated into
> 41 languages and have sold over 27 million copies.[2] He is perhaps
> best known as the author of Solaris, which has twice been made into a
> feature film. In 1976, Theodore Sturgeon claimed that Lem was the most
> widely read science-fiction writer in the world.[3]
>>
>> His works explore philosophical themes; speculation on technology,
>> the nature of intelligence, the impossibility of mutual communication
>> and understanding, despair about human limitations and humankind's
>> place in the universe. They are sometimes presented as fiction, but
>> others are in the form of essays or philosophical books.
>
> Indeed, admittedly, comic books and SF writers are not my domain.
>
Philosophical books are not the same as comic books.
----------------------------------------------------
I thought you weren't talking about philosophy but SF / comic books?
C'mon, of course I know who was Lem, and I also know his sentence
"I wouldn't know I was a Jew if not for Germans who have told me so"
>
> Or maybe nobel prize committee strives to pay for wrongdoings of their
> cousines from the south by improving self esteem of Jewish race?
>
Then how come the percentage of Jews among Nobel Prize winners
**before** WW2 was even higher than after?
----------------------------------------------------
You would have had a point, if it had been true.
But it isn't.
>
> You didn't like the answer? Sincerity can be painfull, read below:
>
I like it fine. What else can I expect from a logic-challenged
simpleton like yourself?
>
> Is Israel's relatively low average IQ behind it's troubles? by anon |
> 04.12.2009. author: ... "Are we expecting TOO MUCH from Israel?"
> Table: IQ by nation ...
>
Who is this "anon"? Your fascist buddy?
But speaking of IQ by nation, Israel's average IQ is reported at 94,
only 33rd in the World. But you have to remember, that European Jews
(Ashkenazi), many of whom are of Polish origin, make up a minority of
population in Israel, and their high IQ is counter-balanced by the
lower IQs of Palestinian Arabs and Jews from Arab countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence
Certain psychometric studies have recorded people of Jewish background
[clarification needed] as scoring higher than average on various tests,
[1][3] with estimates ranging from 3 to 12 points above the mean of
white gentiles, whose score is generally normalized to 100. These
studies (see references) also indicate that this advantage is
primarily in verbal and mathematical performance;
----------------------------------------------------
What a pity, world doesn't recognize a Jewish School of Mathematics!
>
> 3 times more Poles in the World than Jews.
> --------------------------
> Too good to be true!
>
Too bad for fascists like you.
You didn't like the answer? Sincerity can be painfull(sic).
----------------------------------------------------
I have no problem with number of the Jews in the Universe.
I acknowledge that they are more numerous then Hungarians
or Dutch and maybe as numerous as Italians.
Do you know that if not for Stalin and to a much lesser degree Hitler,
Russians would count 300 millions heads today?
THAT would be a dreadful world to live in, I tell you!
>
> Only in Poland we still have like 150,000 - 450,000 of your kind.
>
No, you don't. Most Jews left after the anti-semitic campaign of 1968:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Jews
----------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately, these are nothing but blatant lies.
I know personaly about 15 Jews, the one living just 100 meter from me
had a grandfather who during stalinist occupation was interrogation officer
in security services and avoid punishment in recent years only by dying
during his criminal process. Most of Polish press and TV concerns are
in hands of Jews, most of them extremely filthy ones.
80% of Polish foreign ministers have been Jews. The current one is not,
but his wife is. At least 1/3 of Polish diplomats are Jews. Sad but true.
Diplomacy is called a last stalinist woods in new Poland.
>
> Regrettable, as you are no more welcomed here.
>
True: no more welcomed.
----------------------------------------------------
And for good reasons.
>
> It would be difficult to give exact numbers, but I estimate your
> ethnos to be around 30-80 mln.
>
No, it's only 13 million officially, and maybe 20 million counting
fully assimilated Jews. It just seems larger to fascists like you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
----------------------------------------------------
It's the same bullshit at wikipedia entry about Polish Jewry,
if one had to trust it, it would mean that I personaly know of,
directly or indirectly, about 25% of all Polish Jews,
what seems rather highly unlikly, would you agree?
> > As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> > a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> > smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
> LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
> Poland's...
> --------------------------
> It isn't bad here.
>
I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
----------------------------------------------------
Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
Look to the map paying special attention to Polish eastern borders
and you will understand why.
Till this is fixed, we will remain mortal enemies.
> Check EU websites. This year we crossed
> statistically half of the French wealth and matched the level
> of development with Spain and Greece of late 80's.
>
Well, Russia's per capita GDP is almost as high:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
55 Poland 17,400 2008 est.
56 Latvia 17,300 2008 est.
57 Russia 16,100 2008 est.
----------------------------------------------------
But now you flatter yourself. High prices of oild and gas in 2008
has surely something to do with this high numbers, right?
And secondly, that hundreed or two hundreed gangster oligarchs
who could collectively probably buy everything what is to buy in Poland,
they don't make for average Russian life style and prosperity, do they?
> It is not about president this or that. It is about might, military power
> and yes, civilization as well.
> In comparision with America, Russia is simply a dwarf.
>
True. USA spends more money on its military than the rest of the World
combined. That's where our tax money goes: to make defence companies
wealthy. That's why the US government owes $trillions to China, Russia
etc in bond debt, and why the USA economy is in such a mess.
----------------------------------------------------
I am glad that you support with your tax money American militarism
and growing American edge over troubled Russian monster dwarf.
What it is now, 50% of your paycheck? Mayor Bloomberg has surely
rised municipal taxes, hasn't he?
>
> > But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
> > Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
> > good 70% belong to your race.
>
> My race is white/Caucasian, and 99% of oligarchs belong to my race.
> --------------------------
> Caucasian race? What the fuck is this!
> Are you perhaps a dog?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
----------------------------------------------------
Sight!
I am just letting you know that as a fascist I do not accept
PC concepts, which like in this case are simply debilitating.
What's the link between Aryan Race and Semites?
Can you show it to me? I know there is some link.
But I can't trace it, and even am not sure whether this link
is any closer than our relationship to Chinese-Mongol Race.
Now, do you feel better when grouped together with Whites?
Don't you find it simply offensive? Are you indeed that stupid?
> > Btw, how is Berezowsky doing?
> > Still alive?
>
> Very much so. He is as wealthy as ever, healthy, living in London, and
> working with MI5/6 and the CIA to make trouble for Putin. You may have
> heard of his ass-licker Litvinenko, who got poisoned recently.
> --------------------------
> I guess, for this very event they will put one day in London a price tag
> on Putin's head, when he is no more in power.
>
Maybe. Not because of Litvinenko, but because Putin pursues an
independent foreign policy.
----------------------------------------------------
Precisely because of Litvinenko case, who was a British subject.
There is zero evidence that Putin had anything to do with Litvinenko's
death.
----------------------------------------------------
So what it was then? Internal Kremlin conspiracy against Putin?
That's actually a good defence line for Mr Putin!
Jaruzelski used it successfully in proceedings when charged with
political assassination of Polish priests during his junta rules.
But why would Putin ever want to go to London? Love for the English
"cuisine" like kidney pie, fish-and-chips, and scones?
----------------------------------------------------
Scotland Yard may issue paneuropean arrest warrant for Putin,
and he may become effectively land-locked.
And English breakfast is not that bad. I always enjoy it when in England,
but it tastes much better deep in the country then in London.
Barnim
Barnim
On Dec 27, 3:30 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> napisal w
wiadomoscinews:2ef16830-fc57-41a4...@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
> ----------
> Right on tavarishch!
>
> We get in Poland something like 2 millions of gastarbeiters
> from former Soviet Union, and they mostly look like that!
>
Are there any Poles left in Poland? I hear they have all emigrated to
Ireland and England, working as "garbage engineers".
--------------
And who has left Poland? Not a single member of my family
or anyone from my friends and acquaintances. Hard facts.
Poland has successfully exported her scum and lower classes.
The criminality has dropped since Polish ascension to EU
to 1/3 of the former level.
I would say it makes a huge difference, when country exports its
scum and unqualified workers like Poland did, to a situation where
country exports its best brains and most enlightend classes like
Russia is constantly doing for the last 25 years.
>
> Actually recently I started to enjoy more Polish vodka, �ubr�wka and
> Sobieski brand. They have a lot to recommend them.
>
Finally a subject you know something about, eh?
--------------
Again a mistake on your side.
I am no Russian, thus no alcoholic either, but a connoisseur!
Barnim
Vladimir Makarenko
He is a piece of human garbage and neither such Russian creatures are
welcome. Sorry.
Otherwise we'd have to go through maximum security psychiatric
facilities to populate SCB (Russia of course would win - we would just
on statistical basis proof (so called distribution tale) much more
special exemplars, Russians Always win even when fighting to defeat
themselves, we are Heroes. Ever read Greek Myths?)
After Tadas found out and warned everybody here what this scumbag is up
to with his "website" - there is no interest in him - only for
psychiatrists and police.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
> On Dec 27, 10:09 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@nospamgmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Tadas Blinda wrote:
>>> On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>>>> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
>>>> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>>> Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
>>> By the way, how's Bailey ?
>> He doesn't have money for it, he slurps samogon.
>>
>> VM.
>
> Barnum & Bailey Circus, because Barnim is a clown.
I am sorry and feel funny - to few Euros around me too many American
Irish when "Bailey" I read as "Bailey's". Sorry.
> But a very nasty
> sort of clown. A sociopath, in fact. Re his poisonous domain
> "litwa.pl":
>
> Google Browsing Diagnostic page for litwa.pl
>
> What is the current listing status for litwa.pl?
>
> Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm
> your computer.
>
> What happened when Google visited this site?
>
> Of the 13 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 9 page
> (s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed
> without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on
> 2009-12-22, and the last time suspicious content was found on this
> site was on 2009-12-22.
>
> Malicious software includes 10 scripting exploit(s), 7 trojan(s).
>
> Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including
> winhex.org/, minikamery.pl/, 1sense.info/.
>
> This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS12824 (HOMEPL).
Thanks for your work because there are too many people here who were
unprepared to this kind of the threat and as you say there are
sociopaths who want to assault the very unprepared.
It is was very much a showing - the guy could have challenged people on
professional hackers websites but he keeps his tail between lags
(SUCKER!)- he targets those he knows for sure will probably fell a
victim. But I expected that.
I don't believe Poland and Lithuania are in ANY way enemies- arguments
yes, but schmucks like Barnim are trying to make their living off
creating problems which would make two of your countries to look at each
other as enemies. They want to parasite on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah -
there are arguments up to foam at the mouth. Still you can solve them
and frankly - I do not admit for a moment that any serious politician in
Poland thinks seriously that Lithuania would surrender even a fraction
of inch of its independence.
Well - my favorite phrase about Baltics - just a lazy thoughts.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
And I disagree with with you and Vello and agree with Anton except I
choose much stronger terms - this guy especially after what Tadas found:
he is a piece of human garbage.
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:c6641573-6f25-468c...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 3:30 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:> Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> napisal w
>
> wiadomoscinews:2ef16830-fc57-41a4...@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> > Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
> > ----------
> > Right on tavarishch!
>
> > We get in Poland something like 2 millions of gastarbeiters
> > from former Soviet Union, and they mostly look like that!
>
> Are there any Poles left in Poland? I hear they have all emigrated to
> Ireland and England, working as "garbage engineers".
> --------------
> And who has left Poland? Not a single member of my family
> or anyone from my friends and acquaintances. Hard facts.
>
> Poland has successfully exported her scum and lower classes.
> The criminality has dropped since Polish ascension to EU
> to 1/3 of the former level.
>
> I would say it makes a huge difference, when country exports its
> scum and unqualified workers like Poland did, to a situation where
> country exports its best brains and most enlightend classes like
> Russia is constantly doing for the last 25 years.
>
>
>
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:c6641573-6f25-468c...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 3:30 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:> Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> napisal w
>
> wiadomoscinews:2ef16830-fc57-41a4...@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> > Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
> > ----------
> > Right on tavarishch!
>
> > We get in Poland something like 2 millions of gastarbeiters
> > from former Soviet Union, and they mostly look like that!
>
> Are there any Poles left in Poland? I hear they have all emigrated to
> Ireland and England, working as "garbage engineers".
> --------------
> And who has left Poland? Not a single member of my family
> or anyone from my friends and acquaintances. Hard facts.
>
> Poland has successfully exported her scum and lower classes.
> The criminality has dropped since Polish ascension to EU
> to 1/3 of the former level.
>
> I would say it makes a huge difference, when country exports its
> scum and unqualified workers like Poland did, to a situation where
> country exports its best brains and most enlightend classes like
> Russia is constantly doing for the last 25 years.
>
Well, there are quite a few Polish managers and mathematicians (some
very famous ones) working on Wall Street, the City in London, and even
in Moscow's investment banks. E.g.:
Dr Piotr Karasinski
Piotr Karasinski is Managing Director and Global Head of Quantitative
Development at HSBC. He has over 20 years of experience in derivative
product modelling across all asset classes. He started his finance
career in 1984, in New York, after obtaining a physics PhD from Yale.
During his 7 years at Goldman Sachs in New York he developed the
[famous] Black-Karasinski interest rate model with the late Fischer
Black. Before joining HSBC in 2005 he spent 8 years at Citigroup in
London where he headed the Interest Rates and Hybrids quant team.
---------------------
Here in Silicon Valley, the number of Polish engineers and computer
scientists is miniscule compared to the number of Russians, but still
non-zero. So, I am sure that in terms of percentages, just as large a
percentage of Polish experts work abroad as Russians.
What is there to do in Poland for good computer scientists? Can you
name a successful high-tech company in Poland, like Skype in Estonia?
I doubt it.
In all countries, those, who work abroad, tend to be more enterprising
than those who stay behind.
Given that you haven't even heard of Stanislaw Lem, it is you who is
the bottom of the barrel, not those who work abroad.
>
>
> > Actually recently I started to enjoy more Polish vodka, ¯ubrówka and
> > Sobieski brand. They have a lot to recommend them.
>
> Finally a subject you know something about, eh?
> --------------
> Again a mistake on your side.
> I am no Russian, thus no alcoholic either, but a connoisseur!
>
No, a "connoisseur" is an alcoholic who gets drunk on Cognac or
vintage wine. Those, who, like you, get drunk on a pure 40% solution
of ethyl alcohol (i.e., good pure wodka), are just "drunks".
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
I am just quoting other people's papers to spite Barnim and his anti-
semitism. These IQ studies are quite bogus, as I told Johnny several
years ago.
In reality, this has little to do with genetics. Take, for example, my
identical twin daughters. They have diametrically opposed
personalities. One is warm, loving and out-going; the other -
introvert and reserved. IDENTICAL twins!
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> U¿ytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisa³ w wiadomo¶cinews:93beafc3-1cd2-405d...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
I would suspect that given that there are no Jews left in Poland, anti-
semitism would no longer be a major topic among Polish fascists. Don't
you guys spend most of your time these days hating Muslims and
Russians and dreaming of subjugating the Belarusans and Ukrainians
again?
In fact, don't you love all these American Jewish Neo-Con politicians
behind George W. Bush, who preach the American imperialism/
supremacism and russophobia and islamophobia?
>
> How much power do you
> wield? Any public officials who share your views?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Be serious man. This is Poland. No one is so open as you would assume.
> Hypocrisy rules the land. But you know what's buzzing underneaths.
> Currently circa 1/4 of population shows revisionism tendency, and yet
> 10 years ago it was barely 1/7. There is a constant progress and
> I am happy to witness it. Not that I was not taking part in it :-))
>
What do you mean by "revisionism"? Revision of what? What do you guys
want? What do you miss?
>
> > And had you ever finished 2nd grade, you surely would have known about
> > Jerzy Hoffman and especially Stanislaw Lem - one of the famous Poles
> > of modern times, the man better known to Poles than, say, Stephen King
> > is known to Americans:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem
>
> > Stanis3aw Lem (12 September 1921 - 27 March 2006) was a Polish science
> > fiction, philosophical and satirical writer. Lem was named a Knight of
> > the Order of the White Eagle [1]. His books have been translated into
> > 41 languages and have sold over 27 million copies.[2] He is perhaps
> > best known as the author of Solaris, which has twice been made into a
> > feature film. In 1976, Theodore Sturgeon claimed that Lem was the most
> > widely read science-fiction writer in the world.[3]
>
> >> His works explore philosophical themes; speculation on technology,
> >> the nature of intelligence, the impossibility of mutual communication
> >> and understanding, despair about human limitations and humankind's
> >> place in the universe. They are sometimes presented as fiction, but
> >> others are in the form of essays or philosophical books.
>
> > Indeed, admittedly, comic books and SF writers are not my domain.
>
> Philosophical books are not the same as comic books.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I thought you weren't talking about philosophy but SF / comic books?
>
Read the above quote from Wiki.
>
> C'mon, of course I know who was Lem, and I also know his sentence
> "I wouldn't know I was a Jew if not for Germans who have told me so"
>
Exactly. And wouldn't know I was a Jew if not for you and other anti-
semites who have told me so.
It's like the quote from Lev Kassil's childhood memoir novel "Conduit
and Schwmbrania":
"Mom, our cat - is she Jewish too?"
>
> > Or maybe nobel prize committee strives to pay for wrongdoings of their
> > cousines from the south by improving self esteem of Jewish race?
>
> Then how come the percentage of Jews among Nobel Prize winners
> **before** WW2 was even higher than after?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> You would have had a point, if it had been true.
> But it isn't.
>
Well, maybe "before WW2" was not as high as "after" but still quite a
few before and during WW2:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/nobels.html
Physics
* 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
* 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
* 1921 - Albert Einstein
* 1922 - Niels Bohr
* 1925 - James Franck & Gustav Hertz
* 1943 - Otto Stern
* 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
* 1945 - Wolfgang Pauli
Chemistry
* 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
* 1906 - Henri Moissan
* 1910 - Otto Wallach
* 1915 - Richard Willstaetter
* 1918 - Fritz Haber
* 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
Medicine
* 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff & Paul Ehrlich
* 1914 - Robert Barany
* 1922 - Otto Meyerhof
* 1930 - Karl Landsteiner
* 1931 - Otto Warburg
* 1936 - Otto Loewi
* 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
* 1944 - Joseph Erlanger
* 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
That's certainly more than Polish Nobel prizes in sciences, which
consist of two for Maria Sklodowska-Curie and what else? Let's see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Polish_Nobel_laureates
Category:Polish Nobel laureates
Marie Skłodowska Curie (7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934) was a physicist
and chemist of Polish upbringing and, subsequently, French
citizenship. She was a pioneer in the field of radioactivity, the
first person honored with two Nobel Prizes,[1] receiving one in
physics and later, one in chemistry.
Roald Hoffmann (born July 18, 1937)[1] is a Polish-American
theoretical chemist who won the 1981 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Hoffmann was born in Złoczów, Poland (now Ukraine) to a Jewish family.
He and his mother were among the only members of his immediate family
to survive the Holocaust with the help from his Ukrainian neighbors.
Isidor Isaac Rabi (pronounced /rɑːbi/; 29 July 1898 – 11 January 1988)
was a Galician-born American physicist and Nobel laureate recognised
in 1944 for his discovery of nuclear magnetic resonance. Rabi was born
into a traditional Jewish family in Rymanów, Galicia , Austrian Empire
(now Poland), and was brought to the United States as a child the
following year.
Tadeusz Reichstein (July 20, 1897 – August 1, 1996) was a Polish-born
Swiss chemist and Nobel laureate. Reichstein was born into a Jewish
family at Włocławek, Congress Poland, and spent his early childhood at
Kiev, where his father was an engineer.
Andrzej "Andrew" Viktor Schally (born November 30, 1926) is a Polish-
born American endocrinologist and Nobel Prize laureate (1977) in
medicine. Schally was born in Wilno, Second Polish Republic (now
Vilnius, Lithuania), as the son of Gen. Brigadier Kazimierz Schally
who was Chief of the Cabinet of President Ignacy Mościcki of Poland.
During World War II, Schally survived the Holocaust while living among
the Jewish-Polish Community in Roumania.
So, that's Maria Sklodowska and 4 Jews.
>
> What a pity, world doesn't recognize a Jewish School of Mathematics!
>
Mathematics is the same for everybody. Jews don't go to separate
schools. Great Russian Jewish mathematicians are part of the Russian
School of Mathematics, American Jews - of American School, Hungarian
- ..., French - ..., etc.
>
> I have no problem with number of the Jews in the Universe.
> I acknowledge that they are more numerous then Hungarians
> or Dutch and maybe as numerous as Italians.
>
When you are scared, you grossly over-estimate the number of your
enemies. Plus, if you admitted that there are fewer than 10,000 Jews
in all of Poland and fewer than 15,000,000 in the World - your own pre-
occupation with Jews would look idiotic.
>
> Do you know that if not for Stalin and to a much lesser degree Hitler,
> Russians would count 300 millions heads today?
> THAT would be a dreadful world to live in, I tell you!
>
Well, your fellow Pole Feliks Dzierzinski, as a child, dremt that he
were invisible, so that he could kill Russians with impunity. As an
adult, he founded CheKa/NKVD and fulfilled his childhood dreams.
>
>
> > Only in Poland we still have like 150,000 - 450,000 of your kind.
>
> No, you don't. Most Jews left after the anti-semitic campaign of 1968:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Jews
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Unfortunately, these are nothing but blatant lies.
>
> I know personaly about 15 Jews, the one living just 100 meter from me
> had a grandfather who during stalinist occupation was interrogation officer
> in security services and avoid punishment in recent years only by dying
> during his criminal process. Most of Polish press and TV concerns are
> in hands of Jews, most of them extremely filthy ones.
> 80% of Polish foreign ministers have been Jews. The current one is not,
> but his wife is. At least 1/3 of Polish diplomats are Jews. Sad but true.
> Diplomacy is called a last stalinist woods in new Poland.
>
Yes, the Polish foreign policy is indeed abhorrent. Especially its
virulent russophobia.
>
> > Regrettable, as you are no more welcomed here.
>
> True: no more welcomed.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> And for good reasons.
>
That reminds me of a joke by a New York comedian:
My wife's brother visited us from Germany. He said:
- I want to buy some bagels. We don't get good bagels in Germany.
And I said:
- And whose fault is that?
-----------------------------
Look, if you think that Poland is better of without Jews - that's your
problem. Luckily, Polish Jews have left for USA, Israel, Russia and
France and have made a well-appreciated contributions to all these
countries.
Now in terms of Jews, Poland is way below even Mexico. And so is its
science.
>
> > It would be difficult to give exact numbers, but I estimate your
> > ethnos to be around 30-80 mln.
>
> No, it's only 13 million officially, and maybe 20 million counting
> fully assimilated Jews. It just seems larger to fascists like you.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> It's the same bullshit at wikipedia entry about Polish Jewry,
> if one had to trust it, it would mean that I personaly know of,
> directly or indirectly, about 25% of all Polish Jews,
> what seems rather highly unlikly, would you agree?
>
Why? If many Jews are successful diplomats or journalists, then
everybody, including you, knows them. I would imagine that journalists
would be likelier to stay in Poland than engineers, scientists,
musicians, bankers, tailors or shoemakers.
>
> > > As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> > > a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> > > smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
> > LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
> > Poland's...
> > --------------------------
> > It isn't bad here.
>
> I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
>
No, it won't. Time will heal all wounds. Latvians used to hate
Germans, but no longer. Ukrainians held incredible hate for Poles, but
not these days.
>
> Look to the map paying special attention to Polish eastern borders
> and you will understand why.
>
Paranoia about Kaliningrad?
>
> Till this is fixed, we will remain mortal enemies.
>
What fixed? You want Kalinigrad to return to Germany? Why do you
care?
>
> > Check EU websites. This year we crossed
> > statistically half of the French wealth and matched the level
> > of development with Spain and Greece of late 80's.
>
> Well, Russia's per capita GDP is almost as high:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_c...
>
> 55 Poland 17,400 2008 est.
> 56 Latvia 17,300 2008 est.
> 57 Russia 16,100 2008 est.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> But now you flatter yourself. High prices of oild and gas in 2008
> has surely something to do with this high numbers, right?
>
Yes. And Poland too benefits from these high prices via profits from
the gas pipe. That's why you guy refer to the plans of shipping
Russian gas directly to Germany and Netherlands, without paying
tribute to Poland, as "the new Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact".
>
> And secondly, that hundreed or two hundreed gangster oligarchs
> who could collectively probably buy everything what is to buy in Poland,
> they don't make for average Russian life style and prosperity, do they?
>
Well, the gap between the rich and the poor in Russia is high, but not
as high as in USA and many other countries.
>
> > It is not about president this or that. It is about might, military power
> > and yes, civilization as well.
> > In comparision with America, Russia is simply a dwarf.
>
> True. USA spends more money on its military than the rest of the World
> combined. That's where our tax money goes: to make defence companies
> wealthy. That's why the US government owes $trillions to China, Russia
> etc in bond debt, and why the USA economy is in such a mess.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I am glad that you support with your tax money American militarism
> and growing American edge over troubled Russian monster dwarf.
>
Would you care to share my tax bill? :-)
>
> What it is now, 50% of your paycheck?
>
Federal taxes are about 30%.
>
> Mayor Bloomberg has surely
> rised municipal taxes, hasn't he?
>
I live in California. Our fearless leader is Termniator.
>
> > > But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
> > > Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
> > > good 70% belong to your race.
>
> > My race is white/Caucasian, and 99% of oligarchs belong to my race.
> > --------------------------
> > Caucasian race? What the fuck is this!
> > Are you perhaps a dog?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Sight!
> I am just letting you know that as a fascist I do not accept
> PC concepts, which like in this case are simply debilitating.
>
Ask me if I care.
>
> What's the link between Aryan Race and Semites?
>
The term "Aryan" properly refers to a ruling caste in India. The new
use was coined by Hitler to mean Germanic people. Poles and other
Slavs were not included, and viewed as inferior. But you are free to
imitate Hitler and make up your own definition of "Aryan", which would
be less demeaning to Poles than Hitler's.
Look, you Polish fascists are totally harmless, and your entire role
is to be the lapdogs of the Jewish-American Noe-Cons and of other
Americans supremacists, a swell as of Israel. That's why you are so
happy that we Americans spend so much on our military: more bones for
you from your owner's table as a reward for your barking and helping
us in Iraq, Afghanistan and with the anti-Russian missile defences
(almost).
>
> Can you show it to me? I know there is some link.
> But I can't trace it, and even am not sure whether this link
> is any closer than our relationship to Chinese-Mongol Race.
>
> Now, do you feel better when grouped together with Whites?
> Don't you find it simply offensive? Are you indeed that stupid?
>
Why would it be offensive? I don't care much, but given that I and all
my children have big light-green eyes and am often mistaken for a
Belgian or Frenchman, I suspect that I may have more European heredity
and indeed less Chinese-Mongol heredity than you. My last name is
German. My greatgrandparents come from Belarus, Latvia and Lithuania.
However, I can't tell how much of my ancestry is Hebrew, how much is
German, how much is Spanish, how much is Polish and how much is
Latvian.
>
> > > Btw, how is Berezowsky doing?
> > > Still alive?
>
> > Very much so. He is as wealthy as ever, healthy, living in London, and
> > working with MI5/6 and the CIA to make trouble for Putin. You may have
> > heard of his ass-licker Litvinenko, who got poisoned recently.
> > --------------------------
> > I guess, for this very event they will put one day in London a price tag
> > on Putin's head, when he is no more in power.
>
> Maybe. Not because of Litvinenko, but because Putin pursues an
> independent foreign policy.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Precisely because of Litvinenko case, who was a British subject.
>
> There is zero evidence that Putin had anything to do with Litvinenko's
> death.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> So what it was then? Internal Kremlin conspiracy against Putin?
>
Nobody knows. The Brits claim it was Lugovoi but they have no evidence
concerning who sent him. Common sense suspicion that it was Putin -
yes. Legal evidence - none. Zero. Zilch.
Given that Kovtun had smeared Polonium all over Hamburg several days
before Litvinenko's death, and that Scamarella was soon convicted in
Italy for precious metal smuggling, I personally suspect that all four
- Lugovoi, Litvinenko, Kovtun and Scamarella - were involved in
Polonium smuggling.
>
> That's actually a good defence line for Mr Putin!
>
If Putin is ever indicted in EU, it will be for some sort of money
laundering or possibly for something in the second Chechen War.
>
> Jaruzelski used it successfully in proceedings when charged with
> political assassination of Polish priests during his junta rules.
>
> But why would Putin ever want to go to London? Love for the English
> "cuisine" like kidney pie, fish-and-chips, and scones?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Scotland Yard may issue paneuropean arrest warrant for Putin,
> and he may become effectively land-locked.
>
But not for Litvinenko's death, where Scotland Yard has zero evidence
against Putin.
>
> And English breakfast is not that bad. I always enjoy it when in England,
> but it tastes much better deep in the country then in London.
>
I am not a big lover of English breakfasts, but when living in London,
I greatly enjoy cooking delicacies that I buy at Selfridges and
Harrods, especially all kinds of game birds, venison, and
langoustines; as well as imported delicacies from Italy, Holland and
France.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
wrote:
Don't you think that he is exaggerating his positions in order to
evoke response? I myself often do this. It's more fun. Polite
conversations are often boring. I am Jewish: I like arguing. Just
today I was listening in my car to the World program made by PRI/PBS/
BBC. They had a Geo Quiz today:
http://www.theworld.org/2009/12/29/i-do/
We have to answer our Geo Quiz. We were looking for a Middle Eastern
country where arguing is kind of a way of life... Israel is the answer
we’re looking for.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
wrote:
Do you mean his words:
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"Barnim is a clown. But a very nasty
sort of clown. A sociopath, in fact. Re his poisonous domain
"litwa.pl": "
Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm
your computer.
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But how is this "litwa.pl" site related to Barnim?
>
> there is no interest in him - only for
> psychiatrists and police.
>
Of course ultra-nationalists, especially in an ethnically-homogeneous
place like Poland, are mental freaks.
But isn't it interesting and even important to find out what your
enemies think and why?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 3:58 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> > becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
> > and you will understand why.
>
> Paranoia about Kaliningrad?
>
> > Till this is fixed, we will remain mortal enemies.
>
> What fixed? You want Kalinigrad to return to Germany? Why do you
> care?
>
Now I see that you also wrote:
>
> Tadas Pinda, you old goat, welcome on Polish soil!
>
So, your problem with the "Polish eastern borders" is that Wilno/
Vilnius and some other lands, that you consider Polish, are
Lithuanian? OK, it was indeed Comrade Stalin who gave/returned these
lands to Lithuania in 1939. But now Lithuania is part of your own EU
and NATO. So, Russia no longer has any say in the Polish-Lithuanian
land disputes. Address all your grievances and anger towards
Lithuania, EU and NATO, not towards Russia.
Vladimir Makarenko
I have a great respect for Poland - not for freaks like Barnims - the
way they stood up to Nazis and Soviets. You know what Soviets said to
their troops? DO NOT FIGHT THEM.
I still do not understand the country, - I take a step back, they are
very special - they think special, they ARE special.
Leave them there - they are special, strange but special.Let them be.
I just do not like moron Barnim.
VM.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
wrote:
I agree.
>
> I just do not like moron Barnim.
>
Agree squared.
Tadas Blinda
Creeps like Barnim have no complaints about Stalin's gift to Poland of
lots of German land in the West. And stop this nonsense about Vilnius
once and for all. The ONLY time it was ever "part of" Poland was
during the illegal occupation (recognised by no one, not even Togo) of
1922-1940. Furthermore, it's a fact that there was NEVER any
significant migration of Poles to Lithuania, therefore the tutejszi
(speakers of polsczyzna) in the Vilnius region are 99% just polonised
Lithuanians. Therefore it will be no tragedy when the locals start
returning to their Lithuanian roots, as they are gradually doing.
Interesting that you can count on your fingers the number of Russkies
or Poles that emigrate from Lithuania annually to Russia and Poland.
Oleg Smirnov
news:0609182c-b7eb-4ce3...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com }
> and his anti-semitism. These IQ studies are quite bogus,
> as I told Johnny several years ago.
>
> In reality, this has little to do with genetics. Take,
> for example, my identical twin daughters. They have
> diametrically opposed personalities. One is warm, loving
> and out-going; the other - introvert and reserved.
> IDENTICAL twins!
When two similar persons beside, they aspire to choose
different roles. Everyone wishes to be individual, not
similar to another. Twins might appear to be more similar
if they (from the very beginning) lived separately from
each other (in identical environment).
But that just would be inhumane experiment.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Thanks. A great explanation.
But it also illustrates my point that the environment is as important
as the heredity.
>
> But that just would be inhumane experiment.
>
Sometimes I wonder if twins would have developed in a more social way
if they had spent less time with each other.
Vidas
Even though it pains me to some degree - Karla actually has the
synopsis right. Gintas - just flames on...
>
> Creeps like Barnim have no complaints about Stalin's gift to Poland of
> lots of German land in the West. And stop this nonsense about Vilnius
> once and for all. The ONLY time it was ever "part of" Poland was
> during the illegal occupation (recognised by no one, not even Togo) of
> 1922-1940.
Vilnius was part of the Commonwealth which was a union with Poland.
Vilnius has undeniable Polish and Lithuanian heritage Gintai. Do some
reading of history maybe and less endless ignorant prattling..
Furthermore, it's a fact that there was NEVER any
> significant migration of Poles to Lithuania, therefore the tutejszi
> (speakers of polsczyzna) in the Vilnius region are 99% just polonised
> Lithuanians.
Even President Smetona, who literally waged war with Poland during his
Presidency, recognized time and time again that Lithuanias greatest
obstacle to international recognition of Vilnius as Lithuanian
territory was the Vilnius regions substantial Polish population.
Stalin offered Vilnius' return in context with Lithuanias existing
treaties and boundary agreements from 1920 and 1922 - but that has
nothing to do with the fact that most of the Vilnius region back then
was populated by primary Polish speakers.
Your incessant blathering about polonised Lithuanians exists in what
context ? Prior to the Liublin Union ?
I assume that makes you a polonised Lithuanian by surname too Pan
Kaminski ?
Therefore it will be no tragedy when the locals start
> returning to their Lithuanian roots, as they are gradually doing.
Lithuanian language instruction support is decreasing in the Vilnius/
Salcininkai regions Gintuks.
> Interesting that you can count on your fingers the number of Russkies
> or Poles that emigrate from Lithuania annually to Russia and Poland.
But you can count on many many fingers the number of Lithuanians who
are emigrating to pretty much anywhere these days Gintuks. Now, I
admit that your dead end ethnocentric wet dreams are not relevant to
the emigration issue - but come on !
Is there anyone who actually buys your goofy worldview at this point ?
How many times do your statements have to be debunked and
redebunked ?
Grow up already !
Vidas
Tadas Blinda
Nothing of interest or substance.
"WOOF!" barked the junkyard dog. And nobody cared at all.
Vidas
The only response I expected from you Gintuks. Your arguments do
remain weak and unsupportable though. Really really weak.
But the fact remains that Vlad and Karla make alot more sense in SCB
now than you do. I have to wonder what motivated you to risk this new
return. 12th or 13th return is it ?
What's changed Gintuk ?
Vidas
Tadas Blinda
"WOOF!" barked the junkyard dog. (Again!)
And nobody noticed or paid any attention.
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas....@lycos.es> napisal w wiadomosci
news:de77c397-12af-4a99...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
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Wrong. Stalin gave us those lands in temporary administration only,
its Germans themselves who in 1990 or 1991 acknowledged their
definite loss of this area and thus legally settled the things finally.
Sometimes I say cynically that it is a price Germany had to pay
for voiding Poland of good 3/4 of its Jewry (if not more) .
Cynically, as Polish human losses to Germans has been too small
to validate such huge land claims (official propaganda notwithstanding).
A nice coincidence is that this new Polish western border agrees
with our original Polish-German border from 1000 years ago.
And stop this nonsense about Vilnius once and for all.
-------------------------------------
It is not about Wilno this time, it is about all of Lithuania.
{ utterly pathetic ruskie-mongol bullshit mercilessly deleted }
Interesting that you can count on your fingers the number of Russkies
or Poles that emigrate from Lithuania annually to Russia and Poland.
-------------------------------------
Poles living currently in Lithuania have a very special role Kaminskas,
they have to carry over tradition and uninterrupted continuation of our
culture in that part of our beloved fatherland. We have as a nation big
experience and trained endurance performing this kind of Kulturkampf
against German and Russian dominance of the past.
That would be a betrayal if those people decided to leave, even if
contemporary Poland is so much better of economically then Lithuania.
Barnim
Barnim
>
> How are you, fascists, treated in modern Poland?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> With all due honours.
> My family is actively taking part in fascist veteran clubs here.
> We have campfires in the midst of beautiful Polish forests,
> sledge rides in snowy winters and so on. And all participants
> are antisemites, surprise, surprise.
>
I would suspect that given that there are no Jews left in Poland, anti-
semitism would no longer be a major topic among Polish fascists. Don't
you guys spend most of your time these days hating Muslims and
Russians and dreaming of subjugating the Belarusans and Ukrainians
again?
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Hating Muslims? Are you crazy? Why the heck should we hate them?
There are of course some prejudices against foreigners in Poland,
but nonetheless there is no hate but only against Zhyds and Russians,
sometimes Gypsies are included too and this last case is truly truly
deplorable and makes me feel ashamed.
In fact, don't you love all these American Jewish Neo-Con politicians
behind George W. Bush, who preach the American imperialism/
supremacism and russophobia and islamophobia?
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No, we consider them enemies of the humanity. Every Jewish attempt
to conflict more our word with Islamic one is perceived with hostility
here, as it turns American spear away from Russkie monster dwarf,
which should stay a prime target all the time. Positioning Islamic World
as a main challenge for America it not in our interest.
>
> > Or maybe nobel prize committee strives to pay for wrongdoings of their
> > cousines from the south by improving self esteem of Jewish race?
>
> What a pity, world doesn't recognize a Jewish School of Mathematics!
>
Mathematics is the same for everybody. Jews don't go to separate
schools. Great Russian Jewish mathematicians are part of the Russian
School of Mathematics, American Jews - of American School, Hungarian
- ..., French - ..., etc.
------------------------------------------
Phee :-))
I would assume even average educated man should have heard about
Polish School of Mathematics.
This term is itself unique, there is no French School of Mathematics etc.
Are you sure you have 'matura' ?
> I have no problem with number of the Jews in the Universe.
> I acknowledge that they are more numerous then Hungarians
> or Dutch and maybe as numerous as Italians.
>
When you are scared, you grossly over-estimate the number of your
enemies.
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Scared of the Zhyds? But you must masturbate yourself now!
We can be scared of Russian monsters, eventually German zombies,
but Zhyds? Zhyds might be disliked, hold in utmost contempt, spit
upon or mocked, but feared? No, never :-)
>
> Do you know that if not for Stalin and to a much lesser degree Hitler,
> Russians would count 300 millions heads today?
> THAT would be a dreadful world to live in, I tell you!
>
Well, your fellow Pole Feliks Dzierzinski, as a child, dremt that he
were invisible, so that he could kill Russians with impunity. As an
adult, he founded CheKa/NKVD and fulfilled his childhood dreams.
------------------------------------------
Somehow I feel certain sympathy to this noble Polish gentleman.
>
>
> > Only in Poland we still have like 150,000 - 450,000 of your kind.
>
> No, you don't. Most Jews left after the anti-semitic campaign of 1968:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Jews
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Unfortunately, these are nothing but blatant lies.
>
> I know personaly about 15 Jews, the one living just 100 meter from me
> had a grandfather who during stalinist occupation was interrogation officer
> in security services and avoid punishment in recent years only by dying
> during his criminal process. Most of Polish press and TV concerns are
> in hands of Jews, most of them extremely filthy ones.
> 80% of Polish foreign ministers have been Jews. The current one is not,
> but his wife is. At least 1/3 of Polish diplomats are Jews. Sad but true.
> Diplomacy is called a last stalinist woods in new Poland.
>
Yes, the Polish foreign policy is indeed abhorrent. Especially its
virulent russophobia.
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It is far from being ideal, but russophobia is actually a right thing.
Look, if you think that Poland is better of without Jews - that's your
problem.
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No, it is not my problem. Its Jews problem that they are massively
disliked. In fact, they seldomly wear yarmulkas here, knowing well
what negative connotations Jewishness has for the Poles.
>
> > It would be difficult to give exact numbers, but I estimate your
> > ethnos to be around 30-80 mln.
>
> No, it's only 13 million officially, and maybe 20 million counting
> fully assimilated Jews. It just seems larger to fascists like you.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> It's the same bullshit at wikipedia entry about Polish Jewry,
> if one had to trust it, it would mean that I personaly know of,
> directly or indirectly, about 25% of all Polish Jews,
> what seems rather highly unlikly, would you agree?
>
Why? If many Jews are successful diplomats or journalists, then
everybody, including you, knows them.
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That's a kind of discussion one can have with a Jew.
Arguments and logic simply doesn't matter at all.
Yes, I know directly or indirectly every one in four Jews in Poland :-)
You won :-)))))))
>
> > > As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> > > a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> > > smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
> > LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
> > Poland's...
> > --------------------------
> > It isn't bad here.
>
> I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
>
No, it won't. Time will heal all wounds. Latvians used to hate
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You seem not to understand human psychology at all. The more wealthy
we get, the more secure we feel, the more trust we have in our strength,
the more we will hate Russia and what she did to us. 20 years ago when
we were barely standing on all our fours, the negative emotions against
Russia has been at least twice smaller then nowadays.
Germans, but no longer. Ukrainians held incredible hate for Poles, but
not these days.
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It is wise policy to build positive relationship, when you expect
to incorporate 8 millions Galicians in the future, don't you think?
We have a lot of Ukrainian festivals all over Poland, I can say
model relationship building at its botttom.
>
> > Check EU websites. This year we crossed
> > statistically half of the French wealth and matched the level
> > of development with Spain and Greece of late 80's.
>
> Well, Russia's per capita GDP is almost as high:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_c...
>
> 55 Poland 17,400 2008 est.
> 56 Latvia 17,300 2008 est.
> 57 Russia 16,100 2008 est.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> But now you flatter yourself. High prices of oild and gas in 2008
> has surely something to do with this high numbers, right?
>
Yes. And Poland too benefits from these high prices via profits from
the gas pipe. That's why you guy refer to the plans of shipping
Russian gas directly to Germany and Netherlands, without paying
tribute to Poland, as "the new Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact".
------------------------------------------
You are wrong again. In fact I can not find a time you were right :-)
The Polish-Russian company which operates pipes is non-for-profit
organization. We do not make any income on Russkie gas transit at all.
Had it been up to me, I would dismantle pipes to Russia alltogether
and ban any rail or car through traffic to the east as well.
Russkiestan can always construct undersee highways and rails tracks,
I couldn't give less a shit.
>
> And secondly, that hundreed or two hundreed gangster oligarchs
> who could collectively probably buy everything what is to buy in Poland,
> they don't make for average Russian life style and prosperity, do they?
>
Well, the gap between the rich and the poor in Russia is high, but not
as high as in USA and many other countries.
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You must be joking!
Only Brazil and Mexico can match Russia in social inequality.
Yes right, actually Brazil and Mexico, this is a model which Russia
follows with her raw materials export, massive emigration, broken
infrastructure, non functioning law and failed political system. Bravo!
>
> > It is not about president this or that. It is about might, military power
> > and yes, civilization as well.
> > In comparision with America, Russia is simply a dwarf.
>
> True. USA spends more money on its military than the rest of the World
> combined. That's where our tax money goes: to make defence companies
> wealthy. That's why the US government owes $trillions to China, Russia
> etc in bond debt, and why the USA economy is in such a mess.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I am glad that you support with your tax money American militarism
> and growing American edge over troubled Russian monster dwarf.
>
Would you care to share my tax bill? :-)
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It is enough that you support American miliarism.
I can meantime stay appart and applaud.
>
> > > But somehow I think Rooskiestan won't be a safe haven either.
> > > Just come to think about all these gangster oligarchs of whom
> > > good 70% belong to your race.
>
> > My race is white/Caucasian, and 99% of oligarchs belong to my race.
> > --------------------------
> > Caucasian race? What the fuck is this!
> > Are you perhaps a dog?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Sight!
> I am just letting you know that as a fascist I do not accept
> PC concepts, which like in this case are simply debilitating.
>
Ask me if I care.
>
> What's the link between Aryan Race and Semites?
>
The term "Aryan" properly refers to a ruling caste in India. The new
use was coined by Hitler to mean Germanic people. Poles and other
Slavs were not included, and viewed as inferior. But you are free to
imitate Hitler and make up your own definition of "Aryan", which would
be less demeaning to Poles than Hitler's.
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You are wrong again (off course you know it), Aryan concept doesn't
have Hitler origins at all, random quote: http://smoter.com/aryans.htm
Even if the term Aryan is maybe not the most fortunate, as it denotes
rather Iranian/Sarmathian tribes and thus is more relevant for Slavs
then Germans, we have no better one.
Indo-european substitute is about as accurate as Caucasian Race :-)
Beside that, I like the word ARYAN as its melody sounds nice to me,
and because from the word ARYA, comes our word ARISTOCRAT.
The last one must be really painfull discovery for you.
Look, you Polish fascists are totally harmless, and your entire role
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Tell it to our friend Tandas Pinda. He seems to be overly frustrated.
I really do not plan to roll Polish tanks into Wilno.
That role is reserved for Russians this time.
>
> Now, do you feel better when grouped together with Whites?
> Don't you find it simply offensive? Are you indeed that stupid?
>
Why would it be offensive?
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Because it credits a Jewish Race with might and glory of the Race
to which it clearly does not belong, only to improve a self esteem
of Jewish people after not so successful for them XX century?
Pretty denigrating.
If Putin is ever indicted in EU, it will be for some sort of money
laundering or possibly for something in the second Chechen War.
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Chechen War crimes are fit rather for the Hague.
Scotland Yard task would be to capture and bring to Justice
a mastermind behind the murder of British subject.
Barnim
Barnim
On Dec 29, 11:29 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 3:58 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> > becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
> > Look to the map paying special attention to Polish eastern borders
> > and you will understand why.
>
> Paranoia about Kaliningrad?
>
> > Till this is fixed, we will remain mortal enemies.
>
> What fixed? You want Kalinigrad to return to Germany? Why do you
> care?
>
I would rather rejoin Kaliningrad (proper name is Kr�lewiec/K�nigsberg)
with the rest of Prussia, which is for most part again the province of Poland,
like it has been centuries ago.
Now I see that you also wrote:
>
> Tadas Pinda, you old goat, welcome on Polish soil!
>
So, your problem with the "Polish eastern borders" is that Wilno/
Vilnius and some other lands, that you consider Polish, are
Lithuanian? OK, it was indeed Comrade Stalin who gave/returned these
lands to Lithuania in 1939.
-----------------------------------------
How can you driving out the original population from the city and granting
it to the ethnic group who never ever in history scored more then 4% of its
inhabitants, call a 'return' ?
The 1916 census conducted by German occupying forces concluded
that 1.5 % Wilno inhabitans were Lithuanian speakers. Hard facts.
But now Lithuania is part of your own EU
and NATO. So, Russia no longer has any say in the Polish-Lithuanian
land disputes. Address all your grievances and anger towards
Lithuania, EU and NATO, not towards Russia.
-----------------------------------------
You are wrong again. Within corridors of power throughout NATO
edifices there is an open talk about undefendable status of Baltic
States. No one is able and willing to protect them in case of real
danger from Russian side. I am aware that the same would be true
of Poland if not for our size and simple fact that we can raze Kreml
within circa 60 minutes, something not achievable for tiny countries.
Thus the right party to discuss and decide future status of Lithuania
(and Klaipeda en route to Kaliningrad Oblast) is undeniably Russia.
Barnim
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas....@lycos.es> napisal w wiadomosci
news:de77c397-12af-4a99...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
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Wrong. Stalin gave us those lands in temporary administration only,
its Germans themselves who in 1990 or 1991 acknowledged their
definite loss of this area and thus legally settled the things finally.
Sometimes I say cynically that it is a price Germany had to pay
for voiding Poland of good 3/4 of its Jewry (if not more) .
Cynically, as Polish human losses to Germans has been too small
to validate such huge land claims (official propaganda notwithstanding).
A nice coincidence is that this new Polish western border agrees
with our original Polish-German border from 1000 years ago.
And stop this nonsense about Vilnius once and for all.
-------------------------------------
It is not about Wilno this time, it is about all of Lithuania.
{ utterly pathetic ruskie-mongol bullshit mercilessly deleted }
Interesting that you can count on your fingers the number of Russkies
or Poles that emigrate from Lithuania annually to Russia and Poland.
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:cO-dnfVtDZe3IafW...@giganews.com...
> vello wrote:
> > On Dec 28, 1:20 am, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> >
> >> I tell you one thing, United States, with all its numerous shortcomings,
> >> has one giant advantage. It makes Rooskie to losers.
> >> And that's a Good Thing.
> >>
> >> Barnim
> >>
> >
> > Welcome, Barnim, we need guys like you!!! (And of course such guys
> > from "Russian side", too).
> >
>
> He is a piece of human garbage and neither such Russian creatures are
> welcome. Sorry.
> Otherwise we'd have to go through maximum security psychiatric
> facilities to populate SCB (Russia of course would win - we would just
> on statistical basis proof (so called distribution tale) much more
> special exemplars, Russians Always win even when fighting to defeat
> themselves, we are Heroes. Ever read Greek Myths?)
Russkie Heroes? Uehe heh :-)))
Oxymoron!
Greeks can be heroes, Poles can be, Finns can be, even Germans,
but Russkie? NEVER. Whip's bloody children are you, poor bastards.
Cannon fodder whiped heavily into cannons' jaws, nothing specifically
heroic about it. In old times when a man fought against a man it usually
took 5 Russkie for 1 Pole to make chances even. Russkie Heroes, my ass!
Bueehee :-))
Barnim
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:V4WdnfkbeM2VXKfW...@giganews.com...
> Tadas Blinda wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 10:09 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@nospamgmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Tadas Blinda wrote:
> >>> On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> >>>> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> >>>> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
> >>> Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
> >>> By the way, how's Bailey ?
> >> He doesn't have money for it, he slurps samogon.
> >>
> >> VM.
> >
Sure we are not enemies, we are ONE, double state construct
has been finally abandoned in 1791.
Barnim
Vladimir Makarenko
I am just curious - why you find such a joy to spit in the face or scare
three countries which altogether is just a small fraction of yours?
Let's look at alternative scenario: Russia evaporates Poland by nukes to
get a Baltic Sea shore line.
In your moron brain the simple idea that there will be no more wars in
Europe because it is impossible just doesn't fit.
You are a waste.
And I suspect very unhappy one.
But Happy New Year.
(My grandma was a Christian).
VM.
Maris
>Marie Sk?odowska Curie (7 November 1867 � 4 July 1934) was a physicist
>and chemist of Polish upbringing and, subsequently, French
>citizenship. She was a pioneer in the field of radioactivity, the
>first person honored with two Nobel Prizes,[1] receiving one in
>physics and later, one in chemistry.
>
>Roald Hoffmann (born July 18, 1937)[1] is a Polish-American
>theoretical chemist who won the 1981 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
>Hoffmann was born in Z?ocz�w, Poland (now Ukraine) to a Jewish family.
>He and his mother were among the only members of his immediate family
>to survive the Holocaust with the help from his Ukrainian neighbors.
>
>Isidor Isaac Rabi (pronounced /r??bi/; 29 July 1898 � 11 January 1988)
>was a Galician-born American physicist and Nobel laureate recognised
>in 1944 for his discovery of nuclear magnetic resonance. Rabi was born
>into a traditional Jewish family in Ryman�w, Galicia , Austrian Empire
>(now Poland), and was brought to the United States as a child the
>following year.
>
>Tadeusz Reichstein (July 20, 1897 � August 1, 1996) was a Polish-born
>Swiss chemist and Nobel laureate. Reichstein was born into a Jewish
>family at W?oc?awek, Congress Poland, and spent his early childhood at
>Kiev, where his father was an engineer.
>
>Andrzej "Andrew" Viktor Schally (born November 30, 1926) is a Polish-
>born American endocrinologist and Nobel Prize laureate (1977) in
>medicine. Schally was born in Wilno, Second Polish Republic (now
>Vilnius, Lithuania), as the son of Gen. Brigadier Kazimierz Schally
>who was Chief of the Cabinet of President Ignacy Mo?cicki of Poland.
I'm sure that they have plenty.
>>
>> And English breakfast is not that bad. I always enjoy it when in England,
>> but it tastes much better deep in the country then in London.
>>
>
>I am not a big lover of English breakfasts, but when living in London,
>I greatly enjoy cooking delicacies that I buy at Selfridges and
>Harrods, especially all kinds of game birds, venison, and
>langoustines; as well as imported delicacies from Italy, Holland and
>France.
An epicure would head for Fortnum and Masons or Leadenhall market but
you have clearly adopted the critical qualities of a typical American
tourist.
Maris
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:172c2d1d-1027-424a...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
Well, I would disagree with that. If Russia occupied the Baltics, that
would lead US, UK and NATO to war against Russia, just as Germany's
occupation on Poland led to WW2.
However, the key words here are: "***real*** danger". The truth is
that there is no ***real** danger from Russia.
>
> I am aware that the same would be true
> of Poland if not for our size and simple fact that we can raze Kreml
> within circa 60 minutes, something not achievable for tiny countries.
> Thus the right party to discuss and decide future status of Lithuania
> (and Klaipeda en route to Kaliningrad Oblast) is undeniably Russia.
>
OK, let me summarise what you just said:
1. If Russia ever attacked the Baltics, NATO wouldn't come to the
rescue
2. Russia cannot attack Poland
And you conclusion is:
Poland cannot resolve its territorial arguments with Lithuania without
Russia's participation.
That doesn't make sense to me. On the contrary, I would imagine that
both Poland and Lithuania would want to keep Russia out of their
affairs.
And what is it exactly that Russia is not doing that you want it to do
with respect to the Polish borders?
Oleg Smirnov
> On Dec 30, 11:22 am, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
>>> for example, my identical twin daughters. They have
>>> diametrically opposed personalities. One is warm, loving
>>> and out-going; the other - introvert and reserved.
>>> IDENTICAL twins!
>>
>> When two similar persons beside, they aspire to choose
>> different roles. Everyone wishes to be individual, not
>> similar to another. Twins might appear to be more similar
>> if they (from the very beginning) lived separately from
>> each other (in identical environment).
>
> Thanks. A great explanation.
Thanks. One my fellow occultist also told
me that two in one always form an opposition.
Yang and yin or something like that.
> But it also illustrates my point that the environment is
> as important as the heredity.
Certainly it matters. Anyone can compare,
for example, Koreans from North and South.
The same genetics.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:29:18 -0800 (PST), "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> >On Dec 29, 3:58 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> >> U¿ytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisa³ w wiadomo¶cinews:93beafc3-1cd2-405d...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Dec 28, 5:05 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:> U?ytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisa3 w
>
> >> wiadomo?cinews:f999eb3c-253f-4e45...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
What kind of evidence can there be against Putin personally? His only
possible role would be that of ordering the FSB chief to kill
Litvinenko, but how can you prove this? Does Scotland Yard videotape
private meetings inside Kremlin? I agree that the British spy efforts
against Russia are second to none, but I don't think that even MI5/6
do that.
>
> >> And English breakfast is not that bad. I always enjoy it when in England,
> >> but it tastes much better deep in the country then in London.
>
> >I am not a big lover of English breakfasts, but when living in London,
> >I greatly enjoy cooking delicacies that I buy at Selfridges and
> >Harrods, especially all kinds of game birds, venison, and
> >langoustines; as well as imported delicacies from Italy, Holland and
> >France.
>
> An epicure would head for Fortnum and Masons or Leadenhall market but
> you have clearly adopted the critical qualities of a typical American
> tourist.
>
Thanks for the information, even if it was given in an unfriendly and
backhanded way. There were a total of 3 occasions - between 1996 and
2001 - that I lived in London with a kitchen. On 2 such occasions I
was within a walking distance from Selfridges and on the third - near
Harrods. Shopping at Fortnum and Masons or Leadenhall market meant
taking taxis to shop, which I preferred not to do.
Next time I live in London I will heed your advice, especially wrt
Leadenhall market, which I have heard great things of. However, I
would be grateful if you told me what you like about it, as well as
telling me about Fortnum and Masons, which I know little about. How
does it compare to Selfridges?
Vladimir Makarenko
None. Nobody in his mind really blames Putin, it is a game - Prove that
you are Not guilty.
Putin is guilty of getting Russia out of mud and blood. My Heroe.
He stood for Russians who were execute by Georgians, - he is guilty, he
stood up for Russia every time - he is guilty. He stands for the country
and the people - he is guilty. But we like him.
God bless Putin.
VM.
Vidas
You did. Are you nobody ?
Ka tu cia darai Cikagoje Gintuk ?
Vidas
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> U¿ytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisa³ w wiadomocinews:bd960d4d-b2eb-4b9d-82d9-
>
> > What a pity, world doesn't recognize a Jewish School of Mathematics!
>
> Mathematics is the same for everybody. Jews don't go to separate
> schools. Great Russian Jewish mathematicians are part of the Russian
> School of Mathematics, American Jews - of American School, Hungarian
> - ..., French - ..., etc.
> ------------------------------------------
> Phee :-))
> I would assume even average educated man should have heard about
> Polish School of Mathematics.
>
> This term is itself unique, there is no French School of Mathematics etc.
>
Well, I assure you that the term “Polish School of Mathematics” is
not a highly common term outside of Poland. I may have heard it once
or twice many years ago, or maybe not, but it certainly didn’t
register.
In fact, I had to go to Wiki to look up this term. Wiki has it only in
3 languages: Polish, German and English. None in Russian or French or
Hungarian. Here is what it says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_school_of_mathematics
The Polish School of Mathematics refers to the mathematics community
that flourished in Poland in the 20th century, particularly during the
Interbellum between World Wars I and II. It has been debated what
stimulated the exceptional efflorescence of mathematics in Poland
after World War I. In the 20th century, mathematics was a field of
endeavor that could be successfully pursued even with the limited
resources that Poland commanded in the interbellum period.
Over the centuries, Polish mathematicians have influenced the course
of history. Copernicus used mathematics to buttress his revolutionary
heliocentric theory. Four hundred years later, Marian Rejewski —
subsequently assisted by fellow mathematician-cryptologists Jerzy
Różycki and Henryk Zygalski — in December 1932 first broke the German
Enigma machine cipher, thus laying the foundations for British World
War II reading of Enigma ciphers ("Ultra"). After the war, Stanisław
Ulam showed Edward Teller how to construct a practicable hydrogen
bomb.
------------------------
Well, the phrase “showed how to construct a practicable hydrogen bomb”
clearly shows us that this article has been written by Polish patriots
who don’t know how to write encyclopedia articles. Here is a somewhat
more neutral description:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Ulam
Stanisław Marcin Ulam (April 13, 1909 – May 13, 1984) was a Polish
mathematician who participated in the Manhattan Project and originated
the Teller–Ulam design of thermonuclear weapons. He also invented
nuclear pulse propulsion and developed a number of mathematical tools
in number theory, set theory, ergodic theory, and algebraic topology.
Stanisław Ulam was born in Lwów (German: Lemberg; Ukrainian: Lviv),
Galicia, then in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His family had its
origins in the city's large Jewish minority population.
Bethe on Ulam
· "After the H-bomb was made, reporters started to call Teller the
father of the H-bomb. For the sake of history, I think it is more
precise to say that Ulam is the father, because he provided the seed,
and Teller is the mother, because he remained with the child. As for
me, I guess I am the midwife."
------------------------------------------
While I greatly respect Poland’s contribution to mathematics, you have
to remember that Poland is hardly the most dominant force in
mathematics. For example look at the Fields Medals, mathematics’
answer to Nobel Prizes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_medal
The Fields Medal is often described as the "Nobel Prize of
Mathematics" for the prestige it carries,[5] though in most other ways
the relatively new Abel Prize is a more direct analogue. The
comparison is not entirely accurate because the Fields Medal is
awarded only every four years. The Medal also has an age limit: a
recipient's 40th birthday must not occur before 1 January of the year
in which the Fields Medal is awarded.
---------------------------
If you look at the countries of origin, you will find 8 Russians/
Soviets, 9 French, 12 Americans, 6 British and 0 Polish. And since
1990, there have been 6 Russians, 4 French 2 Americans and 2 Brits,
out of the total of 18 people.
>
> Are you sure you have 'matura' ?
>
No. In USA we don’t have this ‘matura” thing.
>
> When you are scared, you grossly over-estimate the number of your
> enemies.
> ------------------------------------------
> Scared of the Zhyds? But you must masturbate yourself now!
> We can be scared of Russian monsters, eventually German zombies,
> but Zhyds? Zhyds might be disliked, hold in utmost contempt, spit
> upon or mocked, but feared? No, never :-)
>
> > Do you know that if not for Stalin and to a much lesser degree Hitler,
> > Russians would count 300 millions heads today?
> > THAT would be a dreadful world to live in, I tell you!
>
> Well, your fellow Pole Feliks Dzierzinski, as a child, dremt that he
> were invisible, so that he could kill Russians with impunity. As an
> adult, he founded CheKa/NKVD and fulfilled his childhood dreams.
> ------------------------------------------
> Somehow I feel certain sympathy to this noble Polish gentleman.
>
> > Diplomacy is called a last stalinist woods in new Poland.
>
> Yes, the Polish foreign policy is indeed abhorrent. Especially its
> virulent russophobia.
> ------------------------------------------
> It is far from being ideal, but russophobia is actually a right thing.
>
> Look, if you think that Poland is better of without Jews - that's your
> problem.
> ------------------------------------------
> No, it is not my problem. Its Jews problem that they are massively
> disliked. In fact, they seldomly wear yarmulkas here, knowing well
> what negative connotations Jewishness has for the Poles.
>
Very few Jews wear yarmulkes here in USA either. You have to be very
religious to do so.
>
> > > > As I can see, you hate America, even if she allowed you to make
> > > > a living there. Ok, considering that your rent apartment is probably
> > > > smaller then my garage.. one can be bitter for sure, but still...
>
> > > LOL. Well, the standard of living here in USA is so inferior to
> > > Poland's...
> > > --------------------------
> > > It isn't bad here.
>
> > I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> > becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
>
> No, it won't. Time will heal all wounds. Latvians used to hate
> ------------------------------------------
> You seem not to understand human psychology at all. The more wealthy
> we get, the more secure we feel, the more trust we have in our strength,
> the more we will hate Russia and what she did to us. 20 years ago when
> we were barely standing on all our fours, the negative emotions against
> Russia has been at least twice smaller then nowadays.
>
Look, for the first couple of decades after liberation in the 1940s,
Indians and Pakis were very bitter towards UK but now the feelings
have changed. And Ukrainians used to hate their Polish enslavers with
all their heart, but now they are more or less friendly.
Polish sentiment towards Russia will also improve with time.
>
> Germans, but no longer. Ukrainians held incredible hate for Poles, but
> not these days.
> ------------------------------------------
> It is wise policy to build positive relationship, when you expect
> to incorporate 8 millions Galicians in the future, don't you think?
>
How’s that?
>
> We have a lot of Ukrainian festivals all over Poland, I can say
> model relationship building at its botttom.
>
The issue is not the number of Ukrainian festivals in Poland. I am
sure that Poles have a very find memory of all those centuries when
Poles enslaved Ukrainians, Belorusans and spent incredible efforts to
enslave Russia. The issue is that your victims - Ukrainians – are now
much less negative towards Poland.
>
> > And secondly, that hundreed or two hundreed gangster oligarchs
> > who could collectively probably buy everything what is to buy in Poland,
> > they don't make for average Russian life style and prosperity, do they?
>
> Well, the gap between the rich and the poor in Russia is high, but not
> as high as in USA and many other countries.
> ------------------------------------------
> You must be joking!
> Only Brazil and Mexico can match Russia in social inequality.
>
Here is the ranking from worst to best:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
Country Comparison :: Distribution of family income
This index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of
family income in a country.
10 Brazil 56.7
17 Hong Kong 53.3
30 Singapore 48.1
32 Mexico 47.9
36 China 47.0
43 Uruguay 45.2
44 United States 45.0
49 Turkey 43.6
56 Russia 41.5
87 Poland 34.9
113 Kyrgyzstan 30.3
134 Sweden 23.0
Russia is 56th out of 134: close to the middle.
>
>
> > > It is not about president this or that. It is about might, military power
> > > and yes, civilization as well.
> > > In comparision with America, Russia is simply a dwarf.
>
> > True. USA spends more money on its military than the rest of the World
> > combined. That's where our tax money goes: to make defence companies
> > wealthy. That's why the US government owes $trillions to China, Russia
> > etc in bond debt, and why the USA economy is in such a mess.
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > I am glad that you support with your tax money American militarism
> > and growing American edge over troubled Russian monster dwarf.
>
> Would you care to share my tax bill? :-)
> ------------------------------------------
> It is enough that you support American miliarism.
>
But I don’t.
>
> Even if the term Aryan is maybe not the most fortunate, as it denotes
> rather Iranian/Sarmathian tribes and thus is more relevant for Slavs
> then Germans, we have no better one.
> Indo-european substitute is about as accurate as Caucasian Race :-)
> Beside that, I like the word ARYAN as its melody sounds nice to me,
> and because from the word ARYA, comes our word ARISTOCRAT.
>
Are you sure **you** have 'matura' ? FYI, “ARISTOCRAT” comes from the
Greek word for “best”, while “ARYAN” comes from the word “Iran” :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy_%28class%29
The term "aristocracy" is derived from the Greek language
aristokratia, meaning 'the rule of the best'.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan
As an adaptation of the Latin Arianus, referring to Iran, 'Aryan' has
"long been in English language use".
---------------------------------
In other words, you are no more aristocratic than the brain-dead
Iranian masses that demonstrated by the millions against Danish
cartoons and “punished” Denmark by burning the American KFC restaurant
and the Israeli flags.
And here are images of your typical fellow “aristocrats”:
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/162/zzzzzz1uk.jpg
http://thetension.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_archive.html
Iranian volunteers register to become suicide bombers against the West
in the event of military action against Terhan's nuclear facilities.
>
> If Putin is ever indicted in EU, it will be for some sort of money
> laundering or possibly for something in the second Chechen War.
> ------------------------------------------
> Chechen War crimes are fit rather for the Hague.
>
> Scotland Yard task would be to capture and bring to Justice
> a mastermind behind the murder of British subject.
>
I don’t know about Polish law, but in UK you can arrest the “a
mastermind behind the murder of British subject” only if you have
concrete evidence that he has indeed acted as a mastermind. Do you
have any videos of Putin ordering this alleged murder, or any
documents signed by him, or a testimony of anybody who heard Putin
give this order?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:cO-dnfVtDZe3IafW...@giganews.com...
While average Poles are good fighters, the Polish government has been
like a vulture or a hyena: attacking those who are dying from fighting
really strong enemies, like when you attacked Russia and re-enslaved
big parts of Ukraine and Belarus during the Russian Civil War; or when
you occupied part of Czechoslovakia after Britain and France gave its
major piece to Nazi Germany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_betrayal
The Czechoslovaks were greatly dismayed with the Munich settlement.
With Sudetenland gone to Germany and later southern Slovakia (one
third of Slovak territory) occupied by Hungary and the area of Zaolzie
occupied by Poland (the area west of the Olza River - 801.5 km² with a
population of 227,399), Czecho-Slovakia (as the state was now renamed)
lost its defensible border with Germany and its fortifications.
Barnim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_betrayal
---------------------------
You keep forgetting that this piece of land had been part of Polish state
until Chechoslovaks anexed it while Poland was fighting USSR just 20 years
before. Chechoslovaks didn't even bother to come with some ethnical lies /
justifications for their action, they just stated that they need this piece of land,
because the only one railway linking west with east part of their country was
placed there :-))
What's interesting, I remind now a story written by some Chechoslovak
officer who was sent to Zaolzie to depolonize the local population. Funny
how he had perceived Polish military personnel entering Zaolzie in '38.
He was visited by new authorities in the persons of Polish policemen,
short and broad-shouldered guys in their 40' who beat him mercilessly
with their huge sized police batons.
Something for Tadas Blinda to think more about. I wish him no such
gymnastics with Polish Policemen.
Barnim
Barnim
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With what exactly would you disagree? With open talks within
NATO power structures about undefendable status of the Baltics?
We pay attention to it in Poland, because it affects us as well,
hence our special attidute vis a vis USA.
If Russia occupied the Baltics, that
would lead US, UK and NATO to war against Russia, just as Germany's
occupation on Poland led to WW2.
------------------------------------------
I am sure US and UK would start nuking Russia the day after.
Likewise brave Brittons had mounted air mattresses and made
it through La Manche channel to defend Poland in 1939.
However, the key words here are: "***real*** danger". The truth is
that there is no ***real** danger from Russia.
------------------------------------------
The truth is that today, Januray 2010, indeed there is no real danger.
The same truth that in Januray 2006 there was no *real* danger for
Georgia from Russia.
>
> I am aware that the same would be true
> of Poland if not for our size and simple fact that we can raze Kreml
> within circa 60 minutes, something not achievable for tiny countries.
> Thus the right party to discuss and decide future status of Lithuania
> (and Klaipeda en route to Kaliningrad Oblast) is undeniably Russia.
>
OK, let me summarise what you just said:
1. If Russia ever attacked the Baltics, NATO wouldn't come to the
rescue
------------------------------------------
That's rather obvious. NATO chapters provide only a promise of
military support from allied nations within 48 hours. Tell me, what
would be left of Baltic States after first 6 hours of hypothetical
Russian invasion? Nothing, by that time we would have already
new governments in Riga and Tallin, I guarantee it to you :-)
2. Russia cannot attack Poland
------------------------------------------
Of course she can. Russia can also stage nuclear assault on China
and America anytime too. Just for what purposes?
And you conclusion is:
Poland cannot resolve its territorial arguments with Lithuania without
Russia's participation.
------------------------------------------
False. There are no territorial arguments with Lithuania.
Lithuania is a break away Polish province. Full stop.
That doesn't make sense to me. On the contrary, I would imagine that
both Poland and Lithuania would want to keep Russia out of their
affairs.
------------------------------------------
False again. If it is the only way to get desired results, then tough luck.
And what is it exactly that Russia is not doing that you want it to do
with respect to the Polish borders?
------------------------------------------
Russia is doing what she can to achieve her goals without resorting to war.
Hence blackmailing of Ukraine, steady harassment of the Balts and so on.
I am aware that this is a dead route in the end (imagine, we work on that!)
and Russia will have to use military force sooner or later. Or she will lose.
And she can't resign and give up as she is not an old established European
state and does not belong to Latin or Byzantine civilization at all, but
to the Turan one instead, lumped together with Turks and the Mongols.
I recommend reading Feliks Koneczny works about world civilizations.
Written before the war, and still valid in every inch. Don't get discouraged
by his alleged antisemitism, he wasn't any more than I am.
Barnim
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:QKmdnc9iuIPCEaPW...@giganews.com...
What spiting do you mean?
Making fun of a few losers on this newsgroup considering themselves
superior 'Scandinavian' race in view of their miserable history and lack
of cultural achievements (their Europeaness being limited to service
in stables for their overlords of German, Polish or Swedish stock)?
> Let's look at alternative scenario: Russia evaporates Poland by nukes to
> get a Baltic Sea shore line.
Sure she could. But what for? Btw, I am well aware of disproportion.
For the long time I advocate development of Polish nuclear weapons,
not as a defend arms against Russia, but as the additional check against
Germany. We would be able to destroy completely Germany with nukes,
but not Russia, which we could only somewhat damage. To effectively
erase Russia, one would need hundreds and hundreds of nuclear bombs,
well above our abilities.
> In your moron brain the simple idea that there will be no more wars in
> Europe because it is impossible just doesn't fit.
War is, as they say, an extension of diplomacy and serves reaching goals
which are otherwise impossible to secure in a peaceful manner.
I do not expect any intra-european wars in the near future, but what can
and will be happening on European fringes, is a different thing altogether.
Specially if the driving force is an extra European alien,
like Russia, an incarnation of Turan Civilization.
Btw, I consider Georgia to be European country. At least not any less
European than say Albania.
Do you know that Ancient Greeks got a lot of their mitologicial inspirations
from Georgians? I think it holds true also for the famous Prometeus myth.
> You are a waste.
> And I suspect very unhappy one.
Why should I? The perspectives for Poland are the best in the last 200 years,
our western border optimal and secured, sustained territorial losses to the East
likely of temporary nature with Deutschland castrated and kept chained up in
Paneuropean serfdom. Plus relatively weak and troubled Russia in at best 40%
of her maximal glory from times of Tsar's rules or Stalin, and OUT.
Add to it America as a keeper of a Status Quo. Truly brilliant!
If it was not enough, Western Europe subsidizing the upgrade of Polish
infrastructure in incredible immense proportions. Now, I call it clever!
> But Happy New Year.
> (My grandma was a Christian).
>
> VM.
And what is relevance of your grandma being a Christian to your
New Year wishes? You think these two things somehow relate?
Merry Christmas would be more appropriate if they did.
OK, I want to be nice too, what would be suitable to you,
Happy Hannukah, Happy Quanza or Seasonal Greetings?
Barnim
Barnim
---------------------------------
Have a trust in Brits!
Ultimately they had Sherlock Holmes and James Bond.
Barnim
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:e6WdnYB9oOvXXqPW...@giganews.com...
Neeh, I find it quite amusing, I mean this public Putin bashing here,
supposedly your Russian hero and for us simply a criminal, a murder,
whom we consider whether should be delivered to the Scotland Yard.
And a crook to be precise, I have heard some sources estimating
Putin personal wealth to be above 50 billions of dollars.
I don't know how they come up to this numbers, but Mr Putin just
looks to be the biggest of your oligarchs. 50 bln USD, not bad at all.
You must be well paying your presidents or prime-ministers, no?
US presidental dynasty of old Texan oil magnate family named Bush
pales in comparision, but I wouldn't take a pride in it :-)
>
> Putin is guilty of getting Russia out of mud and blood. My Heroe.
C'mon. For that no one would like to see him delivered to Scotland Yard.
>
> He stood for Russians who were execute by Georgians, - he is guilty, he
> stood up for Russia every time - he is guilty. He stands for the country
> and the people - he is guilty. But we like him.
>
> God bless Putin.
We consider him a criminal and express a hope that Scotland Yard
will take care of him when he is no more in governmental position.
Barnim
Vladimir Makarenko
you a such a moron I don't find right words: these three despite their
tiny sizes were donating such cultural giant as Russia with movies,
thearter, etc etc. As Poland did - i think and repeat - you are are
loser I don't count you as a Pole. Poland is a great country - you do
not belong to this great nation.
>
>
>> Let's look at alternative scenario: Russia evaporates Poland by nukes to
>> get a Baltic Sea shore line.
>
> Sure she could. But what for? Btw, I am well aware of disproportion.
> For the long time I advocate development of Polish nuclear weapons,
Idiot.
> not as a defend arms against Russia, but as the additional check against
> Germany.
Idiot.
> We would be able to destroy completely Germany with nukes,
Aha. Idiot.
> but not Russia, which we could only somewhat damage. To effectively
> erase Russia, one would need hundreds and hundreds of nuclear bombs,
> well above our abilities.
>
Genius.
>
>
>> In your moron brain the simple idea that there will be no more wars in
>> Europe because it is impossible just doesn't fit.
>
> War is, as they say, an extension of diplomacy and serves reaching goals
> which are otherwise impossible to secure in a peaceful manner.
Crap. War is blood and shit.
All you say is Crap. Have you ever wore a soldier boots? - I want guys
like you to be put in arena to beat each other - but less me guess? -
you want others to be heroes.
It is always the same story - Pro Patria and Libertad. And while you are
dieing we check our bank accounts.
Barnim
Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:2dmdnQPfAbHDR6LW...@giganews.com...
Excuse me? Cultural what?
A Russkiestan?
What a fantasy land you live in? You are a desert!
Average life expectancy in Russia is 52, most russian girls dream
about becoming prostitutes and most russian boys want to become
professional killers. Culture? Uhuuuu :-))))
> thearter, etc etc. As Poland did - i think and repeat - you are are
> loser I don't count you as a Pole. Poland is a great country - you do
> not belong to this great nation.
I have mixed Polish Lithuanian heritage with some Ruthenian drop.
Creme de la Creme of the Polish Nation!
>
> >
> >
> >> Let's look at alternative scenario: Russia evaporates Poland by nukes to
> >> get a Baltic Sea shore line.
> >
> > Sure she could. But what for? Btw, I am well aware of disproportion.
> > For the long time I advocate development of Polish nuclear weapons,
>
> Idiot.
You wish! More and more people in Poland come to the same conclusion.
I am sure it is only the matter of time, till will arm ourselves with nukes.
You know, depressing neighbourhood.
>
> > not as a defend arms against Russia, but as the additional check against
> > Germany.
>
> Idiot.
Why? EU and NATO is good enough protection for today.
But tomorrow is unknown and it's better to be prepared.
>
> > We would be able to destroy completely Germany with nukes,
>
> Aha. Idiot.
Why idiot? A strateg! Short distance prevents any kind of defense
against rocket attack and target country size is small enough.
It would take 40-60 nuclear payloads to virtually anihilate Deutschland.
Achievable.
With conventional warfare we couldn't stop Germany. Simple?
>
> > but not Russia, which we could only somewhat damage. To effectively
> > erase Russia, one would need hundreds and hundreds of nuclear bombs,
> > well above our abilities.
> >
>
> Genius.
That's reality.
It is not always as we would like it to be. We wouldn't be able to build
big enough nuclear arsenal to keep Russia checked. Sad but true.
>
> >
> >
> >> In your moron brain the simple idea that there will be no more wars in
> >> Europe because it is impossible just doesn't fit.
> >
> > War is, as they say, an extension of diplomacy and serves reaching goals
> > which are otherwise impossible to secure in a peaceful manner.
>
> Crap. War is blood and shit.
> All you say is Crap. Have you ever wore a soldier boots? - I want guys
> like you to be put in arena to beat each other - but less me guess? -
How many times I took parts in brawls! More then I can count.
That was a national sport in Poland when I was a schoolboy.
I have knocked down my first opponent at age of 6, by breaking him nose,
he was 8 and a communist son. Even then I had a right fascist backbone!
Sweet youth!
> you want others to be heroes.
> It is always the same story - Pro Patria and Libertad. And while you are
> dieing we check our bank accounts.
No, it isn't always the same. Your oversimplifications and
russian perspective deprives you of any deep thoughts.
But then, it is not surprising.
Barnim
Barnim
>
> > What a pity, world doesn't recognize a Jewish School of Mathematics!
>
> Mathematics is the same for everybody. Jews don't go to separate
> schools. Great Russian Jewish mathematicians are part of the Russian
> School of Mathematics, American Jews - of American School, Hungarian
> - ..., French - ..., etc.
> ------------------------------------------
> Phee :-))
> I would assume even average educated man should have heard about
> Polish School of Mathematics.
>
> This term is itself unique, there is no French School of Mathematics etc.
>
Well, I assure you that the term "Polish School of Mathematics" is
not a highly common term outside of Poland. I may have heard it once
or twice many years ago, or maybe not, but it certainly didn't
register.
---------------------------------------------
No comments :-))
disappearaing into the Banach space,
Barnim
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> >news:172c2d1d-1027-424a...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 29, 11:29 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
> > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 29, 3:58 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> >>> I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> >>> becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------
> >>> Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
> >>> Look to the map paying special attention to Polish eastern borders
> >>> and you will understand why.
> >> Paranoia about Kaliningrad?
>
> >>> Till this is fixed, we will remain mortal enemies.
> >> What fixed? You want Kalinigrad to return to Germany? Why do you
> >> care?
>
> > -----------------------------------------
Because he wants to evoke responses.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Vladimir Makarenko" <vmak...@nospamgmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:QKmdnc9iuIPCEaPW...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > Barnim wrote:
> > > Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> > >news:172c2d1d-1027-424a...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 29, 11:29 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
> > > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Dec 29, 3:58 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > >>> I know. And glad to hear it. I am sure that the more affluent Poland
> > >>> becomes, the less it will display anti-Russian hysteria.
> > >>> ----------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Unlikely.The hostility is there and it will grow.
> > >>> Look to the map paying special attention to Polish eastern borders
> > >>> and you will understand why.
> > >> Paranoia about Kaliningrad?
>
> > >>> Till this is fixed, we will remain mortal enemies.
> > >> What fixed? You want Kalinigrad to return to Germany? Why do you
> > >> care?
>
> > > -----------------------------------------
Nobody does that here at SCB. Not even the Finnish Swedes.
>
> in view of their miserable history and lack
> of cultural achievements (their Europeaness being limited to service
> in stables for their overlords of German, Polish or Swedish stock)?
>
Their achievement is proportional to their small population size.
>
> > Let's look at alternative scenario: Russia evaporates Poland by nukes to
> > get a Baltic Sea shore line.
>
> Sure she could. But what for? Btw, I am well aware of disproportion.
> For the long time I advocate development of Polish nuclear weapons,
> not as a defend arms against Russia, but as the additional check against
> Germany. We would be able to destroy completely Germany with nukes,
> but not Russia, which we could only somewhat damage. To effectively
> erase Russia, one would need hundreds and hundreds of nuclear bombs,
> well above our abilities.
>
If you seriously think that USA/NATO would allow anybody to nuke
Germany, the next sentence fits you well:
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:ad7da77c-fc4a-4798...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Quite the opposite. According to Georgian propaganda, Russia and its
support for Ossetians and Abkhazians has been hurting Georgia since
1991 or so.
And what happened since 2006? Russia defended Ossetia from the
Georgian aggression? Yes.
And yes - if Poland attacks, say, Belarus, it too will be devastated
by Russia. But as long as you abstain from military attacks on
Russia's small alllies - you are safe wrt Russia.
I don't get your point here.
>
> And what is it exactly that Russia is not doing that you want it to do
> with respect to the Polish borders?
> ------------------------------------------
> Russia is doing what she can to achieve her goals without resorting to war.
> Hence blackmailing of Ukraine, steady harassment of the Balts and so on.
> I am aware that this is a dead route in the end (imagine, we work on that!)
> and Russia will have to use military force sooner or later. Or she will lose.
>
Not true, but in any case - what does this have to do with **your**
problems with Lithuania? What exactly is Russia doing right now that
is so terrible and unacceptable for Poland?
>
> And she can't resign and give up as she is not an old established European
> state and does not belong to Latin or Byzantine civilization at all, but
> to the Turan one instead, lumped together with Turks and the Mongols.
>
> I recommend reading Feliks Koneczny works about world civilizations.
> Written before the war, and still valid in every inch. Don't get discouraged
> by his alleged antisemitism, he wasn't any more than I am.
>
Because there are almost no Jews left in Poland, Polish antisemitism
is of no concern to me - it is like a pug Moska barking at the
elephant to make herself feel important.
I did go to Wikipedia and read the article about him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliks_Koneczny
His entire theory seems like feverish ramblings of a Polish Catholic
bigot suffering from an inferiority complex: Latin civilization is the
superior one, while, say, the Greek civilization is inferior.
The following view is especially pathetic:
"Koneczny was one of the chief proponents of a theory that Jewish
civilization threatened entire Latin-Christian world.[3] In his
publication Hitleryzm zażydzony (The Judaized Hitlerism) Koneczny
claimed that Nazism was example of Jewish civilization type..[3]
Koneczny considered Hitler to represent Jewish civilization."
Clearly, he lumps all perceived Poland's enemies together. He remind
of the old Soviet joke:
Comrade Brezhnev arrives in Peking for talks with the enemy: the
Chinese leaders. As he is walking down from the plane, he looks at
them and exclaims:
- Chto, zhidovskie mordy, prischurilis'?
- So, dirty zhyds, you are all now looking slant-eyed at me?
But in any case, he seems to say that a country can transition from
one civilization to another. Look at the definition of "Turan":
"In Turan civilization, the government is source of law, ethics and
stand above the law and ethics. The ruler cannot be doubted. Koneczny
considered Russia under Tsars as example of this type of
civilization."
Well, most European countries in Middle Ages were of Turan
civilization. Poland and the Baltics were Turan dictatorships as late
as the 1930s, but now are well on the way to democracy. So, Russia too
will get there, although a few decades later.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> U ytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisa w wiadomo cinews:3cbae5c3-4dac-4d2a...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
**THE** Banach space? There's only one such space in Poland? I sure
hope it is not a Sobolev space and that you are staying far away from
the Minkowski space, in order not to get polluted by a Russian and a
Jew.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Putin has fewer chances of getting arrested by Scotland Yard than Tony
Blair or Madeleine Albright have of getting arrested by the Russian
MVD and of learning how to sing:
"Butyrka, vse nochi polnye ognia.
Butyrka, zachem sgubila ty menia?"
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:b359e97b-88a1-427d...@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Now I know what world you are living in.
And you forgot Superman and Spiderman.
captain!
"Tadas Blinda" <tadas....@lycos.es> wrote in message
news:abd959d4-7d65-4956...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 10:34 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
> Tadas Blinda wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
> >> But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> >> short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> > Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
>
> > By the way, how's Bailey ?
>
>
> VM.
What's the point of loitering around graveyards? SBC is a graveyard.
////////
i thought that's how you wanted it. why else would you always be telling
people to go away?
now, you're left with an empty club house and only too late realize that
it's not really very fun at all.
lorad
> I see here only a bunch of Rooskie Cannibals running around
> and a few madly screaming Zhyds from one corner or another.
>
> What has happend?
> A little Holocaust of the Balts?
>
> disgusted,
> Barnim
The problem is that SBC served as a small oasis of intelligence for a
long time...
And that, unfortunately, attracted a lot of foreign and minority
elements who tried to bathe in the glory of our history, intelligence,
and tolerance.
Over a period of time those foreigners and minorities - being politely
tolerated - got the idea that they were part of our community and
started to spew their foreign and minority crap ideas and
insanities... which drove away the Baltic respondents.
(The russians were always hanging around - because that's what
russians usually do - they are genetic thieves)
The real Balts are doing ok.. the further they can get away from
foreign butt wipes - the better they like it.
Maris
<ostap_be...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 4:00�pm, Maris <lat...@london.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:29:18 -0800 (PST), "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>>
>> >But not for Litvinenko's death, where Scotland Yard has zero evidence
>> >against Putin.
>>
>> I'm sure that they have plenty.
>>
Sorry, I didn't really mean Putin personally! I must have still been
digesting the Christmas treats. I assumed you were talking about
Litvinienko.
>
>What kind of evidence can there be against Putin personally? His only
>possible role would be that of ordering the FSB chief to kill
>Litvinenko, but how can you prove this? Does Scotland Yard videotape
>private meetings inside Kremlin? I agree that the British spy efforts
>against Russia are second to none, but I don't think that even MI5/6
>do that.
>
>>
>> >> And English breakfast is not that bad. I always enjoy it when in England,
>> >> but it tastes much better deep in the country then in London.
>>
>> >I am not a big lover of English breakfasts, but when living in London,
>> >I greatly enjoy cooking delicacies that I buy at Selfridges and
>> >Harrods, especially all kinds of game birds, venison, and
>> >langoustines; as well as imported delicacies from Italy, Holland and
>> >France.
>>
>> An epicure would head for Fortnum and Masons or Leadenhall market but
>> you have clearly adopted the critical qualities of a typical American
>> tourist.
>>
>
>Thanks for the information, even if it was given in an unfriendly and
>backhanded way. There were a total of 3 occasions - between 1996 and
>2001 - that I lived in London with a kitchen. On 2 such occasions I
>was within a walking distance from Selfridges and on the third - near
>Harrods. Shopping at Fortnum and Masons or Leadenhall market meant
>taking taxis to shop, which I preferred not to do.
>
Sorry about sounding unfriendly. I was still on a roll from the
previous comment.
>Next time I live in London I will heed your advice, especially wrt
>Leadenhall market, which I have heard great things of. However, I
>would be grateful if you told me what you like about it, as well as
>telling me about Fortnum and Masons, which I know little about. How
>does it compare to Selfridges?
I can't really tell you much about any of them - I do all most of my
food shopping in Lidl, a far cry from those stores above. It's just an
observation built up over many decades. Fortnums, as it is locally
known, has always been regarded as the creme de la creme as regards
food shopping. Leadenhall market is just a great place to go and look
at exotic wildlife hanging up. I used to wander about there
occasionally many years ago when I was working in the city.
Maris
Will my wishing you a Happy New Year go some way towards mitigating my
earlier belligerence?
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:29:54 -0800 (PST), "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> >On Jan 1, 4:00 pm, Maris <lat...@london.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:29:18 -0800 (PST), "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> >> >But not for Litvinenko's death, where Scotland Yard has zero evidence
> >> >against Putin.
>
> >> I'm sure that they have plenty.
>
> Sorry, I didn't really mean Putin personally! I must have still been
> digesting the Christmas treats. I assumed you were talking about
> Litvinienko.
>
Do you mean Lugovoi? Christmas food takes a long time to fully
digest. :-)
Well, I also did lots of shopping at Tesco and Marks&Spencer. In fact,
I was very impressed by the Greek yoghurt at Marks&Spencer.
>
> It's just an
> observation built up over many decades. Fortnums, as it is locally
> known, has always been regarded as the creme de la creme as regards
> food shopping. Leadenhall market is just a great place to go and look
> at exotic wildlife hanging up. I used to wander about there
> occasionally many years ago when I was working in the city.
> Maris
> Will my wishing you a Happy New Year go some way towards mitigating my
> earlier belligerence?
>
It takes a big man to apologise. So, the apology is accepted.
Happy New Year to you too.
The Black Monk
> Uzytkownik "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomoscinews:c6641573-6f25-468c...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 3:30 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:> Uzytkownik "Tadas Blinda" <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> napisal w
>
> wiadomoscinews:2ef16830-fc57-41a4...@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 26, 6:32 pm, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > > But my question stays unaswered, where are my beloved
> > > short-legged, dark skinned and slant-eyed mongoloids?
>
> > Poland is full of them, including you, "Barnim".
> > Right on tavarishch!
>
> > We get in Poland something like 2 millions of gastarbeiters
> > from former Soviet Union, and they mostly look like that!
>
> Are there any Poles left in Poland? I hear they have all emigrated to
> Ireland and England, working as "garbage engineers".
> --------------
> And who has left Poland? Not a single member of my family
> or anyone from my friends and acquaintances. Hard facts.
>
> Poland has successfully exported her scum and lower classes.
> The criminality has dropped since Polish ascension to EU
> to 1/3 of the former level.
Ironically Barnim's ND ideology is that of Poland's lower and middle
classes whose attainment of power in Poland in the 1930's (at the
expense of the noble Pilsudski) doomed that country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmowski#Political_outlook
Throughout his life, Dmowski deeply disliked Piłsudski and everything
he stood for.[5] Dmowski came from an impoverished urban background
and had little fondness for Poland's traditional social structure.[5]
Instead, Dmowski favored a modernizing program and felt Poles should
stop looking back nostalgically at the old Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth, which Dmowski held in deep contempt and should instead
embrace the "modern world".[5] In particular, Dmowski despised the old
Commonwealth for its multi-national structure and religious tolerance.
[5] He was especially critical of its failure to create a common
identity for various ethnic groups, such as Ukrainians and
Belarusians.
-----------
regards,
BM
Ostap: my companions and I enjoyed first row seats at one of Fomenko's
shows a few night ago - wonderful:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/theater/30mcgra.html
>
> I would say it makes a huge difference, when country exports its
> scum and unqualified workers like Poland did, to a situation where
> country exports its best brains and most enlightend classes like
> Russia is constantly doing for the last 25 years.
>
>
>
> > Actually recently I started to enjoy more Polish vodka, ¯ubrówka and
> > Sobieski brand. They have a lot to recommend them.
>
> Finally a subject you know something about, eh?
> --------------
> Again a mistake on your side.
> I am no Russian, thus no alcoholic either, but a connoisseur!
>
> Barnim
Tadas Blinda
balaming everything on the "peasants", wrote:
> Ironically Barnim's ND ideology is that of Poland's lower and middle
> classes whose attainment of power in Poland in the 1930's (at the
> expense of the noble Pilsudski) doomed that country.
Watch out, BM, we'll start to think you're a Pole yourself. Haven't
met one yet that didn't try to convince me that he has a family coat
of arms and that his great-great-great- whatever ruled half of the
Grand Ducy of Lithuania. (They ignore those in their family tree that
were „plikbajoriai“ – which translates into Cockney as "two-bob
toffs".)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmowski#Political_outlook
>
> Throughout his life, Dmowski deeply disliked Piłsudski and everything
> he stood for.[5] Dmowski came from an impoverished urban background
> and had little fondness for Poland's traditional social structure.[5]
> Instead, Dmowski favored a modernizing program and felt Poles should
> stop looking back nostalgically at the old Polish-Lithuanian
> Commonwealth, which Dmowski held in deep contempt and should instead
> embrace the "modern world".[5] In particular, Dmowski despised the old
> Commonwealth for its multi-national structure and religious tolerance.
> [5] He was especially critical of its failure to create a common
> identity for various ethnic groups, such as Ukrainians and
> Belarusians.
Ho ho ho, "failure to create a common identity for various ethnic
groups, such as Ukrainians and Belarusians". What disgusting double-
talk for "failure to ethnically cleanse and assimilate", "failure to
stamp out people's ethnic language and true identity".
The Black Monk
> On Jan 7, 11:19 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com>, still
> balaming everything on the "peasants", wrote:
>
> > Ironically Barnim's ND ideology is that of Poland's lower and middle
> > classes whose attainment of power in Poland in the 1930's (at the
> > expense of the noble Pilsudski) doomed that country.
>
> Watch out, BM, we'll start to think you're a Pole yourself. Haven't
> met one yet that didn't try to convince me that he has a family coat
> of arms and that his great-great-great- whatever ruled half of the
> Grand Ducy of Lithuania. (They ignore those in their family tree that
> were „plikbajoriai“ – which translates into Cockney as "two-bob
> toffs".)
The total dominance on one segment of society, be it the middle
classes of nationalist 1930's Poland or Germany, the nobility of late
period Poland, the lawyers leading hordes of workers in Soviet Russia,
etc. is a very bad thing. But I shouldn't have started gong in tghis
direction, I'm kinda bored with this topic.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmowski#Political_outlook
>
> > Throughout his life, Dmowski deeply disliked Piłsudski and everything
> > he stood for.[5] Dmowski came from an impoverished urban background
> > and had little fondness for Poland's traditional social structure.[5]
> > Instead, Dmowski favored a modernizing program and felt Poles should
> > stop looking back nostalgically at the old Polish-Lithuanian
> > Commonwealth, which Dmowski held in deep contempt and should instead
> > embrace the "modern world".[5] In particular, Dmowski despised the old
> > Commonwealth for its multi-national structure and religious tolerance.
> > [5] He was especially critical of its failure to create a common
> > identity for various ethnic groups, such as Ukrainians and
> > Belarusians.
>
> Ho ho ho, "failure to create a common identity for various ethnic
> groups, such as Ukrainians and Belarusians". What disgusting double-
> talk for "failure to ethnically cleanse and assimilate", "failure to
> stamp out people's ethnic language and true identity".
Yes, stamping out individual cultures, languages and traditions in the
service of "progress" by enlightened changers of people is disgusting
and ugly indeed.
regards,
BM
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
>
> Ostap: my companions and I enjoyed first row seats at one of Fomenko's
> shows a few night ago - wonderful:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/theater/30mcgra.html
>
I envy you.
I first saw Fomenko's Theater (then called Studio) back in 1996. They
had no place of their own then. They rented some other theater for a
night. It was one of Ostrovsky's comedies (Ovcy i Volki?). I was
greatly impressed. As an (arrogant) child, I always thought that
Ostrovsky's plays, like most other literature that we were required to
study in school, was more of a historical rather than fun stuff.
Fomenko changed my mind. I did have a bad experience once though: His
dead Souls Part 2, presented at the Moscow Theater Olympiad, was
dreadful. I left at the intermission.
What other things have you seen/experienced in Moscow? What else is
new there? Have you had a chance to try any of the "food things" that
I recommended?
Happy New Year, btw!
The Black Monk
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 9:19 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ostap: my companions and I enjoyed first row seats at one of Fomenko's
> > shows a few night ago - wonderful:
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/theater/30mcgra.html
>
> I envy you.
>
> I first saw Fomenko's Theater (then called Studio) back in 1996. They
> had no place of their own then. They rented some other theater for a
> night. It was one of Ostrovsky's comedies (Ovcy i Volki?). I was
> greatly impressed. As an (arrogant) child, I always thought that
> Ostrovsky's plays, like most other literature that we were required to
> study in school, was more of a historical rather than fun stuff.
> Fomenko changed my mind. I did have a bad experience once though: His
> dead Souls Part 2, presented at the Moscow Theater Olympiad, was
> dreadful. I left at the intermission.
We saw this play:
http://fomenko.theatre.ru/performance/family/
>
> What other things have you seen/experienced in Moscow?
Krimov's Demon: View from Above and Chekhov's Cherry Orchard at
MKhat.
> What else is new there?
Huge malls have sprouted up around the city and everyone is driving
cars. The Armenian deli is closed for remont, and a luxury hotel is
replacing the stores adn other places in that building that once
housed Filipov's bakery. Friends are shopping for private islands
(one of them, at least). Stupidity on television and in the mass
media. Total daily corruption which disgusts people who live there,
although despite it all life seems great there, they haven't seen the
alternative. One of the in-laws, a Jewish decorated veteran of World
War II, and well known scientist, has become so disgusted by Putin and
the political/social scene of modern 21st century Russia in general
that after recalling Putin's comment about Kasparov being a "former
great chess player" he even began defending those who were in Vlasov's
army ("a protest against Stalinism - can you blame all of them?").
> Have you had a chance to try any of the "food things" that I recommended?
I didn't have extra time for exploration. When not at the theater I
was in friends' apartments, the dacha, etc.
>
> Happy New Year, btw!
You too, of course!
best regards,
BM
The Black Monk
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 7:01 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@nospamgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 28, 7:12 am, vello <vellok...@hot.ee> wrote:
> > >> On Dec 28, 1:20 am, "Barnim" <Bar...@litwa.pl> wrote:
>
> > >>> I tell you one thing, United States, with all its numerous shortcomings,
> > >>> has one giant advantage. It makes Rooskie to losers.
> > >>> And that's a Good Thing.
> > >>> Barnim
> > >> Welcome, Barnim, we need guys like you!!! (And of course such guys
> > >> from "Russian side", too).
>
> > > debates.
>
> > And I disagree with with you and Vello and agree with Anton except I
> > choose much stronger terms - this guy especially after what Tadas found:
> > he is a piece of human garbage.
>
> Don't you think that he is exaggerating his positions in order to
> evoke response? I myself often do this. It's more fun. Polite
> conversations are often boring. I am Jewish: I like arguing.
You are not alone, one need not be Jewish for such an approach :-)
regards,
BM
> Just
> today I was listening in my car to the World program made by PRI/PBS/
> BBC. They had a Geo Quiz today:
>
> http://www.theworld.org/2009/12/29/i-do/
>
> We have to answer our Geo Quiz. We were looking for a Middle Eastern
> country where arguing is kind of a way of life... Israel is the answer
> we’re looking for.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tadas Blinda
They say that gratitude is the most fleeting and ephemeral of human
emotions. No doubt it is. And one of the most fleeting and ephemeral
traits of human behaviour when it comes to arguing is CONSISTENCY.
There are very few humans that are noble enough to resist the urge to
be inconsistent if it serves their purpose. A great example (great
mainly for how clear-cut an example it is) is the Polish attiude to
what the victors of WWII called "transfer of territory". For the
Poles, transfer of former German territory to them is a wonderful and
sacred thing, no more to be questioned than the Virgin birth or the
Resurrection. Meanwhile, transfer of briefly Polish-occupied
territory in the East back to its rightful owners (Lithuanians,
Belarusians, Ukrainians) is a Satanic abomination, right down there
with pedophilia and parricide.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
Another great example of inconsistency is your professed love for
preserving native languages and alphabets, except that you root for
Orthodox Slavic countries, other than Russia, to give up their own
alphabet and to switch to Latin.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> On Jan 7, 7:37 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
>
>
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 9:19 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ostap: my companions and I enjoyed first row seats at one of Fomenko's
> > > shows a few night ago - wonderful:
>
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/theater/30mcgra.html
>
> > I envy you.
>
> > I first saw Fomenko's Theater (then called Studio) back in 1996. They
> > had no place of their own then. They rented some other theater for a
> > night. It was one of Ostrovsky's comedies (Ovcy i Volki?). I was
> > greatly impressed. As an (arrogant) child, I always thought that
> > Ostrovsky's plays, like most other literature that we were required to
> > study in school, was more of a historical rather than fun stuff.
> > Fomenko changed my mind. I did have a bad experience once though: His
> > dead Souls Part 2, presented at the Moscow Theater Olympiad, was
> > dreadful. I left at the intermission.
>
> We saw this play:
>
> http://fomenko.theatre.ru/performance/family/
>
What did you think?
>
> > What other things have you seen/experienced in Moscow?
>
> Krimov's Demon: View from Above and Chekhov's Cherry Orchard at
> MKhat.
>
I have never been able to appreciate Chekhov's plays. My worst
childhood experience was Three Sisters at MKhAT.
Having said that, let me ask how **you** liked it. :-)
>
> > What else is new there?
>
> Huge malls have sprouted up around the city and everyone is driving
> cars.
>
Noticeably more than a couple of years ago?
>
> The Armenian deli is closed for remont, and a luxury hotel is
> replacing the stores adn other places in that building that once
> housed Filipov's bakery.
>
I've heard. I also heard that they are going to preserve the interior
of Filippovskaya. So, it may be a blessing in disguise. This kicked
out the Coffee Bean.
>
> Friends are shopping for private islands
>
I find it hard to commiserate....
>
> (one of them, at least).
>
> Stupidity on television and in the mass
> media. Total daily corruption which disgusts people who live there,
> although despite it all life seems great there, they haven't seen the
> alternative.
>
Same old.
>
> One of the in-laws, a Jewish decorated veteran of World
> War II, and well known scientist, has become so disgusted by Putin and
> the political/social scene of modern 21st century Russia in general
> that after recalling Putin's comment about Kasparov being a "former
> great chess player"
>
Putin - isn't he a former popular President?
>
> he even began defending those who were in Vlasov's
> army ("a protest against Stalinism - can you blame all of them?").
>
> > Have you had a chance to try any of the "food things" that I recommended?
>
> I didn't have extra time for exploration. When not at the theater I
> was in friends' apartments, the dacha, etc.
>
Since this is winter, it must be a luxurious dacha. Has a sauna? Did
you do any x-country skiing?
vello
What you mean with "own"? Alphabet created by Cyrillos & Methodios is
as "own" to slavic languages as latin one. It just depends wich slavic
nation takes christianity from Rome, wich from Constantinople.
Dmitry
> > preserving native languages and alphabets, except that you root for
> > Orthodox Slavic countries, other than Russia, to give up their own
> > alphabet and to switch to Latin.
>
> What you mean with "own"? Alphabet created by Cyrillos & Methodios is
> as "own" to slavic languages as latin one. It just depends wich slavic
> nation takes christianity from Rome, wich from Constantinople.
All Othodox Slavic countries took Christianity from Constantinople.
Cyril and Methodius were Macedonians from Thessaloniki who spoke
Slavonic. The alphabet derived from Greek (so did Latin), but it was
long time ago, enough time to call it their own now.
vello
Surely - that's why we call them Orthodox :-) But other slavic nations
take Christianity from Rome - with Latin letters. So calling cyrillic
as "slavic" is pretty wrong - Latin used by Poles, Czechs, Slovaks,
Slovenes, Croatians is as "own" to slavic language group.
The Black Monk
<ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 5:39 pm, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 7:37 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr."
>
> > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 7, 9:19 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Ostap: my companions and I enjoyed first row seats at one of Fomenko's
> > > > shows a few night ago - wonderful:
>
> > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/theater/30mcgra.html
>
> > > I envy you.
>
> > > I first saw Fomenko's Theater (then called Studio) back in 1996. They
> > > had no place of their own then. They rented some other theater for a
> > > night. It was one of Ostrovsky's comedies (Ovcy i Volki?). I was
> > > greatly impressed. As an (arrogant) child, I always thought that
> > > Ostrovsky's plays, like most other literature that we were required to
> > > study in school, was more of a historical rather than fun stuff.
> > > Fomenko changed my mind. I did have a bad experience once though: His
> > > dead Souls Part 2, presented at the Moscow Theater Olympiad, was
> > > dreadful. I left at the intermission.
>
> > We saw this play:
>
> >http://fomenko.theatre.ru/performance/family/
>
> What did you think?
Very charming and well-made but without a very strong emotional
impact.. Tolstoy's mysogeny was significantly softened.
>
> > > What other things have you seen/experienced in Moscow?
>
> > Krimov's Demon: View from Above and Chekhov's Cherry Orchard at
> > MKhat.
>
> I have never been able to appreciate Chekhov's plays. My worst
> childhood experience was Three Sisters at MKhAT.
Black Monk was incredible a few years ago, although it wasn't at
MKhat..
> Having said that, let me ask how **you** liked it. :-)
It confirms that in many ways nothing changes in Russia.
A good show. However, nothng I saw this year compared to the
Tennessee Williams play I saw at Sovremennik a few years back.
>
> > > What else is new there?
>
> > Huge malls have sprouted up around the city and everyone is driving
> > cars.
>
> Noticeably more than a couple of years ago?
Very much so.
>
> > The Armenian deli is closed for remont, and a luxury hotel is
> > replacing the stores adn other places in that building that once
> > housed Filipov's bakery.
>
> I've heard. I also heard that they are going to preserve the interior
> of Filippovskaya. So, it may be a blessing in disguise. This kicked
> out the Coffee Bean.
Thank God for that.
>
>
> > Friends are shopping for private islands
>
> I find it hard to commiserate....
>
>
>
> > (one of them, at least).
>
> > Stupidity on television and in the mass
> > media. Total daily corruption which disgusts people who live there,
> > although despite it all life seems great there, they haven't seen the
> > alternative.
>
> Same old.
Yes.
>
>
> > One of the in-laws, a Jewish decorated veteran of World
> > War II, and well known scientist, has become so disgusted by Putin and
> > the political/social scene of modern 21st century Russia in general
> > that after recalling Putin's comment about Kasparov being a "former
> > great chess player"
>
> Putin - isn't he a former popular President?
: )
>
>
> > he even began defending those who were in Vlasov's
> > army ("a protest against Stalinism - can you blame all of them?").
>
> > > Have you had a chance to try any of the "food things" that I recommended?
>
> > I didn't have extra time for exploration. When not at the theater I
> > was in friends' apartments, the dacha, etc.
>
> Since this is winter, it must be a luxurious dacha. Has a sauna?
It's luxurious by the standards of the 1970's: a quaint, heated log
cabin with three bedrooms, normal bathroom and shower, etc with a
decent plot of land around it, a tall fence for privacy, in a
relatively dense pine forest. There are many enormous and ugly
palaces in the neighborhood, however. The family will never sell the
place for sentimental reasons, but if they had to they could probably
make a lot of money by selling it to someone who would tear the place
down build a palace in its place (see: Cherry Orchard).
> Did you do any x-country skiing?
I only ski downhill, and there don't seem to be any nice hills for
that in Moscow (although I saw quite a few snowboarders on the
metro). But my hosts cross country ski there.
regards,
BM
Dmitry
BM would aprove this phrase, but Cyrillic came to Slavs earlier than
Latin. Anyway, "Orthodox Slavic countries" phrase is self-explanatory
- they are the countries who use Cyrillic alphabet. Why do you point
out that other Slavs use Latin alphabet?
>- Latin used by Poles, Czechs, Slovaks,
> Slovenes, Croatians is as "own" to slavic language group.
It is split according to religion. Catholic Slavs use Latin -
Orthodox use Cyrillic.
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
If not for sauna and skiing, what else is there to do in a dacha in
the winter? We had a small dacha, but never went there between October
and March. In fact, we went there in March-April only to plant seeds.
And BTW, congratulations - the statistics look like Tymoshenko will
win Presidency easily.
vello
>
I don't know much about Ukrainian politics but what I read supports
Yanukovich?
The Black Monk
Yanukovich won the first round with about 36% but this means little
because his electorate are basically united (meaning, he won't pick up
much more than the approximately 5% Communist vote in the second
round and probably a chunk of Tygypko's 13%). Tymoshenko placed
second with 25% but she'll pick most of the votes of 10 other
candidates.
I think it will be close, because many of the "Orange" voters won't
vote, rather than vote for her. The key to the election will be voter
turnout in the western half of the country. If it's huge, Tymoshenko
should win. But it might not be, in which case Yanukovich will win by
a little bit. Yanukovich is, of course, repulsive. Hopefully he will
lose. Here are the people behind Yanukovich's party:
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/57719/
Rinat Akhmetov
Rinat Akhmetov is the richest of the rich billionaires from Ukraine’s
eastern industrial heartland. Collectively, some argue that he and
another two dozen or so of the richest businessmen have a stranglehold
over the economy and hope to tighten their grip under a Victor
Yanukovych presidency. Akhmetov has long backed the Party of Regions.
He entered parliament for the first time in 2006 on the party’s
ticket, but rarely attends sessions. Akhmetov says that Donetsk
Shakhtar soccer team, winner of last year’s UEFA Cup, is his passion.
He invested $400 million into a new Donbass stadium. Such expensive
hobbies, along with politics, are funded with profits from a
diversified portfolio of assets in steel, mining, energy, telecoms,
media and property.
Borys Kolesnykov
Deputy head of Yanukovych’s Party of Regions, Borys Kolesnykov is
Akhmetov’s right hand man. Owner of Donetsk-based Konti confectionary
and other businesses, he entered politics in 1999 when Yanukovych was
Donetsk Oblast governor. Police in early 2005 arrested him on charges
of abuse of office, extortion and making a death threat. Kolesnykov
has repeatedly denied the charges, which were later dropped. He was
elected to parliament on the Regions Party ticket in 2006 and 2007.
Serhiy Lyovochkin
Former President Leonid Kuchma’s top assistant from 2002-05,
Lyovochkin is today one of the closest confidants of Yanukovych.
Fluent in English, Lyovochkin, 39, is the son of Volodymyr Lyovochkin,
who ran the country’s prison system under Kuchma. The younger
Lyovochkin reportedly played a leading role in promoting two
intermediary companies in the lucrative business of supplying natural
gas to Ukraine from Russia and Central Asian producers: Hungarian-
registered Eural Trans Gas and ,more recently, Swiss-registered
RosUkrEnergo. RosUkrEnergo is co-owned by Russia’s Gazprom and
Ukrainian billionaire Dmytro Firtash, who also owned the now-defunct
Eural Trans Gas.
Yuriy Boyko
A Donetsk native who heads Yanukovych’s energy team, Yuriy Boyko is
seen as an associate of Serhiy Lyovochkin. Boyko headed chemical
factories and refineries in eastern Ukraine during the 1990s. He
entered the national spotlight in 2002, when he was appointed chief of
Ukraine’s state gas and oil monopoly, Naftogaz Ukraine. He appointed
Eural Trans Gas as monopoly supplier of blue fuel to Ukraine in
2002-2003. As energy minister in 2003-2005, he brokered an agreement
with Russia to replace the controversial Hungarian firm with
RosUkrEnergo. Boyko, who represented the legal interests of Firtash in
a divorce dispute with his ex-wife, is seen, along with Lyovochkin, as
an associate of the gas tycoon.
Andriy Klyuev
A Donetsk native and influential politician, Andriy Klyuev and his
brother Serhiy own substantial stakes in several Donetsk-based
industrial companies. Andriy Klyuev worked under Yanukovych as deputy
governor during the late 1990s and was put in charge of the country’s
energy sector as deputy prime minister in 2006. Both Andriy and Serhiy
Klyuev were re-elected to parliament in 2007.
Mykola Azarov
Mykola Azarov is No. 2 in the Party of Regions and a key Yanukovych
economic adviser. Ex-President Leonid Kuchma put Azarov in charge of
the State Tax Administration in 1996. Yanukovych in 2002 promoted
Azarov to first deputy prime minister and later finance minister.
Azarov, during the early 2000s, opened criminal investigations into
the activities of commercial banks and Unified Energy Systems of
Ukraine, the gas trading company formerly headed by Yulia Tymoshenko,
Yanukovych’s opponent for the presidential seat.
regards,
BM