Re: Lundiak Reserach
Andrii Lundiak
> New "LUND" questions, plz, help.
>
> Joseph Pessarra> Maybe someone on the "Lund" family genealogy site could help you.http://genforum.genealogy.com/lund/
>
> Thanks, I will track this source deeply, but now -no results.
>
> SO....
>
> what I have nowhttp://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/citizen-offrom-lund.html
>
> swedish city LUND - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lund
>
> 1) How citizen of Lund are called by different people on our planet:
> "LUNDIAK" - Hungarian (Magyar) saying about people from Lund using
> this word
> "LUNDENSARE" - people from Lund saying about themselves using this
> word
>
> ??? How people from Scotland will say about people from Lund ??? -
> espesially this I am interested
> ??? How people from Danemark will say about people from Lund ???
> ??? How people from Norway will say about people from Lund ???
> ??? How people from Finland will say about people from Lund ???
>
> 2) What exactly word "Lund" means in different countries and language:
> - A "lund" in Swedish is a "grove" or "coppice" in English. (thanks to
> Kurt F. from soc.genealogy.nordic post)
> - "lund" in german means deadend (тупик) (final point of road)
>
> ??? Does anybody know what in scotish word "lund" mean ???
> ??? Does anybody know what in danish word "lund" mean ???
> ??? Does anybody know what in norwegian word "lund" mean ???
> ??? Does anybody know what in finnish word "lund" mean ???
>
> 3) Forms:
>
> During research I have discovered many forms of using word LUND. So no
> I want to know:
> People from Britain, German, Magyar, Sweden, Scotland, Other
> ??? - WHICH FORMS DO YOU HAVE in your native language with root word
> LUND an what they mean???
> Here is my possible forms:
> LUNDiak
> LUNDiac
> LUNDiack
> LUNDian
> LUNDiom
> LUNDia
> LUNDia
>
> PS. Please add other form, not listed here...
> Looking forward for your help...
Any Ideas from Baltic Countries??? (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania)
??? How people from Baltic counries will say about people from
Lund ???
??? Does anybody know what in baltic languages word "lund" mean ???
See for more details soc.genealogy.nordic - topic name "Lundiak
research"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.nordic/browse_thread/thread/c9b84334f162448f
Plz... would be very appreciated...
vello
>
> Plz... would be very appreciated...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
For Estonian language: people of Lund - lundlased. Other connections?
Snow is lumi in Estonian but "there was snowfall" would be "sadas
lund".
Andrii Lundiak
Thanks vello ...
You have provided me additional info, which will help in reserach.
What about other baltic countries?
J. Anderson
That would be lundilaiset. There's no Finnish word lund.
Tadas Blinda
> >> ??? How people from Finland will say about people from Lund ???
>
> That would be lundilaiset. There's no Finnish word lund.
There are a couple of suffixes in Lithuanian that are added to
geographical names to denote a person from there (a bit like -er in
English): Kaunas -kauniškis, Vilnius - vilnietis. It's not common to
hear them used on foreign place names (Lund - lundiškis) but I suppose
there's no rule that says it can't be done.
Andrii Lundiak
Thanks to J. Anderson and Tadas Blinda.
Good to know, that somebody are reading my posts.
Anyway, I would really to know more from:
- Scottish People
- people from Estonia (hope it is similar almost as Lithuanian and
Finnish)
- people from Germany
Here is remind of question:
??? How people from YOUR country will say about people from Lund ???
??? Does anybody know what in YOUR COUNTRY's languages word "lund"
mean ???
Tadas Blinda
Lund in German means the bird "puffin".
Valtsu
1058 living persons using Lund as their last name. For details see:
http://verkkopalvelut.vrk.fi/Nimipalvelu/default.asp?L=3
There would be conciderately more Lund's in Finland if there had not
been a popular movement of finnicization of surnames, i.e. translation
of names from the then prevailing swedish language form into finnish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennicization
The wiki article forgets to mention that a second peak of finnicization
was in the late 1920's and early 1930's. Now many finns are taking back
their original family names, but this movement is not as significant as
finnicization was.
Lund literally is Lehto in finnish. There are some 10.000 living persons
using Lehto as their surname and some 17.000 using Lehtonen as their
surname. The -nen suffix is actually a deminutive form of word and it is
very common in finnish surnames.
The name Lund in Finland is generally associated with a furniture maker
called Lundia. http://www.lundia.fi/
This, however, has nothing to do with Lund, but the inventor of the
Lundia bookshelve system is a swedish carpenter called Harald Lundqvist.
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Lundqvist
Right after WW2 production of furniture with Lundqvist's patent started
in Finland, and it still is going strong.
tv
Andrii Lundiak
> The wiki article forgets to mention that a second peak of finnicization
> was in the late 1920's and early 1930's. Now many finns are taking back
> their original family names, but this movement is not as significant as
> finnicization was.
>
> Lund literally is Lehto in finnish. There are some 10.000 living persons
> using Lehto as their surname and some 17.000 using Lehtonen as their
> surname. The -nen suffix is actually a deminutive form of word and it is
> very common in finnish surnames.
>
> The name Lund in Finland is generally associated with a furniture maker
> This, however, has nothing to do with Lund, but the inventor of the
> Right after WW2 production of furniture with Lundqvist's patent started
> in Finland, and it still is going strong.
>
> tv
Thanks to Valtsu - You have provided a lot of information - I will
track it, i believe it will be helpful for me.
Especially new for me info about "finnicization"
Anyway big THANKS.
!!!! Thanks to charles and Tadas Blind !!!!!!!
You help me so much - I have misunderstood with translation lund from
Deutch to Russian - I thought it means tupik(RU) - deadend(EN) -
Here is info from http://lingvo.abbyyonline.com/ru/de-ru/lund
Lund
I m -(e)s, -e зоол.
tupik (Fratercula arctica L.)
II n -s
(city) Lund
Anyway now i see such relation:
Fratercula arctica (LATIN) = Atlantic Puffin (EN) = Atlanticheskiy
tupik (RU-translit) =
Lund(Germany) = Lunda(Magyar) = Lundy(Norse) = Lunde(Danske) = Lundi
(Icelandic)
Papageitaucher (Germany) = Papegaaiduiker (Netherland) =
Macareux (French) = Mormonas (Italian) ........
For Germany "lund" and "Papageitaucher" are aliases, as I understood
Now I am working on Update my blog. You can see more details here:
http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/lund-aka-puffin-aka.html
And it would be great to have some thoughts from Scottish and Deutsch
people?
1) How German people will say about citizen from Lund ???
2) How Scottish people will say about citizen from Lund ??? (LUNDIAN
or LUNDIOM or LUNDIA or LUNDIE ???)
3) How Scottish people understand in their own language word
"lund" ???
4) What about Danemark ??? (these both question about citizen and
word)
PS. Does anybody know some danish (danske, Danemark) google group ?
Dmitry
In Latvian it would be Lundnieks or Lundaanis, but "lund" word doesn't
make any sense. In English "Lundoner" means someone who is from
London.
Dmitry
> Lund
> I m -(e)s, -e зоол.
> tupik (Fratercula arctica L.)
> II n -s
> (city) Lund
>
> Anyway now i see such relation:
>
> Fratercula arctica (LATIN) = Atlantic Puffin (EN) = Atlanticheskiy
> tupik (RU-translit) =
> Lund(Germany) = Lunda(Magyar) = Lundy(Norse) = Lunde(Danske) = Lundi
> (Icelandic)
> Papageitaucher (Germany) = Papegaaiduiker (Netherland) =
> Macareux (French) = Mormonas (Italian) ........
>
> For Germany "lund" and "Papageitaucher" are aliases, as I understood
>
> Now I am working on Update my blog. You can see more details here:http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/lund-aka-puffin-aka.html
>
> And it would be great to have some thoughts from Scottish and Deutsch
> people?
>
> 1) How German people will say about citizen from Lund ???
> 2) How Scottish people will say about citizen from Lund ??? (LUNDIAN
> or LUNDIOM or LUNDIA or LUNDIE ???)
> 3) How Scottish people understand in their own language word
> "lund" ???
Scottish language is hardly spoken these days. It is one of
dissapearing languages. The only Celtic language that has hope for
surviving is Welsh. You will be struggling to find Scottish speakers
on usenet.
>
> 4) What about Danemark ??? (these both question about citizen and
> word)
>
> PS. Does anybody know some danish (danske, Danemark) google group ?- Hide quoted text -
S Viemeister
> Scottish language is hardly spoken these days. It is one of
> dissapearing languages. The only Celtic language that has hope for
> surviving is Welsh. You will be struggling to find Scottish speakers
> on usenet.
>
Scots (not a Celtic language)is still spoken, but _Gaelic_ (a Celtic
language) seems to be disappearing.
Tadas Blinda
> > >> There are a couple of suffixes in Lithuanian that are added to
> > >> geographical names to denote a person from there (a bit like -er in
> > >> English): Kaunas -kauniškis, Vilnius - vilnietis. It's not common to
> > >> hear them used on foreign place names (Lund - lundiškis) but I suppose
> > >> there's no rule that says it can't be done.
>
> > > Thanks to J. Anderson and Tadas Blinda.
> > > Good to know, that somebody are reading my posts.
>
> Anyway now i see such relation:
>
> Papageitaucher (Germany) = Papegaaiduiker (Netherland) =
> Macareux (French) = Mormonas (Italian) ........
"Mormonas" is definitely not "puffin" in Italian.
Andrii Lundiak
to Dmitry:
Thanks for Latvian variant ...
And for @English "Lundoner"@ I am not sure, but anyway thanks, now I
have new idea, and will research it via Google.
THANKS
to Tadas Bind - Yes, I was wrong, it is for Lithuanian ....
I was in a hurry, and that is why i have made this mistake.
THANKS anyway.
Question for all:
So as Understood, it hardly to research something in Scottish/Celtic/
Welsh languages here.
Can you suggest me some places, where I could ask about my questions?
Anyway, these questions are still valid for me:
1) How German people will say about citizen from Lund ???
2) How Scottish people will say about citizen from Lund ???
3) How Scottish people understand in their own language word
"lund" ???
4) What about Danemark ??? (these both question about citizen and
word) ???
Lesley Robertson
"Dmitry" <dmitrijs...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
news:eb72e43e-8a7d-4159...@k14g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>Scottish language is hardly spoken these days. It is one of
>dissapearing languages. The only Celtic language that has hope for
>surviving is Welsh. You will be struggling to find Scottish speakers
>on usenet.
Rubbish.
I can think of quite a few on scs, myself included, who speak scots.
There's also a growing gaelic (scots and irish versions) community on scs,
sci and the gaelic group.
And there's lots more who don't use Usenet.
Lesley Robertson
Andrii Lundiak
wrote:
> "Dmitry" <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
to Lesly Robertson:
1) so if You speak Scots, so you should know how Sctottish people talk
about citizen of Sweden city Lund ???
2) Does scottish (scots, celtic, gaelic) language hase some sense for
word "LUND" ???
see my detailed reserach here:
http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/citizen-offrom-lund.html
and here:
http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/lund-aka-puffin-aka.html
3) scs - is it soc.culture.scottish and sci - soc.culture.irish ???
What about soc.genealogy.* groups ?
4) Can U suggest me some other places here on in internet where I can
research Scots language and provide my questions?
Alan Smaill
> On Nov 25, 11:23 am, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robert...@tnw.tudelft.nl>
> wrote:
>> "Dmitry" <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eb72e43e-8a7d-4159...@k14g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >Scottish language is hardly spoken these days. It is one of
>> >dissapearing languages. The only Celtic language that has hope for
>> >surviving is Welsh. You will be struggling to find Scottish speakers
>> >on usenet.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>> I can think of quite a few on scs, myself included, who speak scots.
>> There's also a growing gaelic (scots and irish versions) community on scs,
>> sci and the gaelic group.
>> And there's lots more who don't use Usenet.
>> Lesley Robertson
>
>
>
> to Lesly Robertson:
>
> 1) so if You speak Scots, so you should know how Sctottish people talk
> about citizen of Sweden city Lund ???
dinnae ken nae "Lund" masel.
> 2) Does scottish (scots, celtic, gaelic) language hase some sense for
> word "LUND" ???
there's a wee eilan cried "Lundy" doun south, nae in Alba
> 4) Can U suggest me some other places here on in internet where I can
> research Scots language and provide my questions?
scot.scots
--
Alan Smaill
Cory Bhreckan
Lundatics?
Dmitry
There are some Welsh forums, for example this one http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1377.htm
You can try to ask there.
>
> Anyway, these questions are still valid for me:
>
> 1) How German people will say about citizen from Lund ???
> 2) How Scottish people will say about citizen from Lund ???
> 3) How Scottish people understand in their own language word
> "lund" ???
> 4) What about Danemark ??? (these both question about citizen and
> word) ???- Hide quoted text -
Tadas Blinda
> There are some Welsh forums, for example this onehttp://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1377.htm
> You can try to ask there.
Dmitry, do you live anywhere near Wales? The last time I visited UK I
made a point of visiting Wales to observe the linguistic situation.
Of course I admire the dedication of the Welsh speakers who value
their native language and keep it alive, especially those who pass it
on to their kids. It is fascinating and admirable that they don't
give up in the face of all those constantly telling them that they are
"crazy" and wasting their time". (Like watching rubbish on television
instead wouldn't be "wasting time"?) That includes a majority of
their fellow countrymen saying things like that. (Don't know what %
claimed to speak Welsh in the last Census, but that sort of self-
reporting has to me taken with a grain of salt anyway.) Idealism is a
rare commodity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsDuUh_iVE&feature=related
Curiously, if you don't focus on the unknown syllables, the overall
"sound impression" that Welsh gives me is a little similar to that of
Norwegian. Just a coincidence, I guess.
Here's something from another nation that loves its language and its
music:
Andrii Lundiak
Ok.. Thanks to all.
Sorry for cross posting, but this is not banned by rules of Google
groups (5 gr limit)
Was interesting in touch of Scottish/Welsh culture and history...
I've got many interesting ideas, it will be helpful for me anyway.
??? Still, I don't know how Germany(Deutsch) and Denmark(Danish)
people call citizen of Lund. ???
I would be very appreciated in help...
Tadas Blinda
German is very simple. Just add -er : ein Lunder.
But why are you so concerned. Isn't the resemblance of your Slavic
surname to the Norsk place-name just a coïncidence?
Valtsu
> On Nov 26, 8:29 am, Dmitry<dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsDuUh_iVE&feature=related
>
> Curiously, if you don't focus on the unknown syllables, the overall
> "sound impression" that Welsh gives me is a little similar to that of
> Norwegian. Just a coincidence, I guess.
>
started playing. By the time I had forgotten it. My first thought was
that this must be icelandic. ;-)
tv
Andrii Lundiak
to Tadas Blinda:
First of all - do you think Denmark(Danish) are talking about Lund's
people as swedish - LUNDENSARE ???
Cause Lund was Danish city time ago ....
.....
I just want to have list of HOW all neighbors of Lund city are talking
about citizen of Lund.
http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/citizen-offrom-lund.html - here is
my report.
I JUST know one thing - @LUNDIAK@ - this is my surname:
a) this is definitely not Nordic rather Slavic)
AND
b) using this word (lundiak) Hungarian(Magyar) are talking about
citizen of Lund.
So, using this google group, and you my dear (all) I figure out how
different are all countries in describing citizen from Lund.
And I am more closer to understand from where could be first person
originally - who called by Lundiak surname.
And want to get more info which form of my surname was first.
for now I have 2 strong variants:
1) Magyar ...
2) Slavic (Lundiak is most explained as son of some person with first
or last name "Lund")
3) other variants (in title of my blog http://lundiak.blogspot.com)
Tadas Blinda
etymologies (and origins of names) there are scientific principles.
First off, remember what language is. It is a system of communication
used by people, it has a sociological reality rooted in time and
place. You have to wonder how likely it is that someone from Lund
emigrated to Hungary and was called "Lundiak" there. Do you have any
evidence for this? Have you checked the Hungarian phone book to see
if there are any.many people with the surname "Lundiak" in Hungary?
What part of the Slavic world do you come from? You know that -ak is
a common Slavic suffix (e.g. Bosnia – Bosniak). Maybe a more fruitful
direction of research would be to contemplate where the Lund(i)- came
from before it had -ak added? Maybe a geographical name? Can you
find out if there is a village in your country with a name something
like "Lund(i)"?
One of the things about etymology that displeases the general public
is that due to the very limited nature of written records (only around
the Mediterranean do they go back more than a couple of thousand
years) we often hit a dead end and can go no further in our research.
For example, if you find there is a village in your country with a
name something like "Lund(i)", you might ask "why"? Unfortunately,
due to lack of written records, it will probably be impossible to say
"why". The only other thing linguistic researchers can do then is to
look for 'cognates' – related (similar) words in other Indo-European
languages.
For example, for a long time the etymology of the name of Lithuania's
greatest river – Nemunas – was a mystery. Now it turns out that the
most likely explanation is that it is related to an old Indo-European
word for 'snake' (which still exists in some Indian languages, India
being more richly endowed with snakes ☺). The idea is that from up on
a hill near the river you can see the river winding away like a snake
– the word 'serpentine' comes to mind. Since that particular 'snake'
word had dropped out of Lithuanian (Lithuania having very few snakes,
and only small ones), that is why for a long time the name 'Nemunas'
was a mystery.)
On Nov 27, 2:18 am, Andrii Lundiak <land...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 4:31 pm, Valtsu <val...@stadissa.fi> wrote:
>
> > On 26.11.2010 1:06, Tadas Blinda wrote:> On Nov 26, 8:29 am, Dmitry<dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsDuUh_iVE&feature=related
>
> > > Curiously, if you don't focus on the unknown syllables, the overall
> > > "sound impression" that Welsh gives me is a little similar to that of
> > > Norwegian. Just a coincidence, I guess.
>
> > Due to bad connection it took an hour before the above mentioned video
> > started playing. By the time I had forgotten it. My first thought was
> > that this must be icelandic. ;-)
>
> > tv
>
> to Tadas Blinda:
>
> First of all - do you think Denmark(Danish) are talking about Lund's
> people as swedish - LUNDENSARE ???
> Cause Lund was Danish city time ago ....
>
> .....
>
> I just want to have list of HOW all neighbors of Lund city are talking
> about citizen of Lund.http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/citizen-offrom-lund.html- here is
Dmitry
> On Nov 26, 8:29 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>
> > There are some Welsh forums, for example this onehttp://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1377.htm
> > You can try to ask there.
>
> Dmitry, do you live anywhere near Wales? The last time I visited UK I
> made a point of visiting Wales to observe the linguistic situation.
> Of course I admire the dedication of the Welsh speakers who value
> their native language and keep it alive, especially those who pass it
> on to their kids. It is fascinating and admirable that they don't
> give up in the face of all those constantly telling them that they are
> "crazy" and wasting their time". (Like watching rubbish on television
> instead wouldn't be "wasting time"?) That includes a majority of
> their fellow countrymen saying things like that. (Don't know what %
> claimed to speak Welsh in the last Census, but that sort of self-
> reporting has to me taken with a grain of salt anyway.) Idealism is a
> rare commodity.
Yes, I live only 2 hours drive from Wales. In my observation non-
Welsh speakers are generally supportive of Welsh speakers maintaining
their language. I also find it admirable when people are maintaining
their original language and culture when it is so easy to forget it
and "convert" to English (or any other dominating language). They
helps this world to be diverse, rather than uniformed. It would be
very boring world if everything was the same everywhere.
It could have happened that I would live in Wales now. Back in 1997 I
was applying for jobs all across the country. I had a call from
http://www.yale-wrexham.co.uk/, they said that they are very excited
about my application (that was unusual because normally you just get a
letter with interview date), but I already have accepted an offer from
Nottingham by then. So potentially I could have been speaking some
Welsh by now if I moved there -)) Once a Welsh girl was teaching me
some phrases and she said that my pronunciation was best she ever
heard (English people have big trouble with pronouncing non-English
sounds)).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsDuUh_iVE&feature=related
>
> Curiously, if you don't focus on the unknown syllables, the overall
> "sound impression" that Welsh gives me is a little similar to that of
> Norwegian. Just a coincidence, I guess.
>
> Here's something from another nation that loves its language and its
> music:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqcxCtx0fc&feature=related
The sound of this language is unfamiliar to me, so I assume it could
be Basque??? It sounds European, but I never heard it before. I
might be wrong. But, anyway, I am in full support of maintaining
small languages and cultures. In a way, they are treasure. It is sad
that so many languages are disappearing.
Tadas Blinda
> > Dmitry, do you live anywhere near Wales? The last time I visited UK I
> > made a point of visiting Wales to observe the linguistic situation.
> > Of course I admire the dedication of the Welsh speakers who value
> > their native language and keep it alive, especially those who pass it
> > on to their kids. It is fascinating and admirable that they don't
> > give up in the face of all those constantly telling them that they are
> > "crazy" and wasting their time". (Like watching rubbish on television
> > instead wouldn't be "wasting time"?) That includes a majority of
> > their fellow countrymen saying things like that. (Don't know what %
> > claimed to speak Welsh in the last Census, but that sort of self-
> > reporting has to me taken with a grain of salt anyway.) Idealism is a
> > rare commodity.
>
> Yes, I live only 2 hours drive from Wales. In my observation non-
> Welsh speakers are generally supportive of Welsh speakers maintaining
> their language. I also find it admirable when people are maintaining
> their original language and culture when it is so easy to forget it
> and "convert" to English (or any other dominating language). They
> helps this world to be diverse, rather than uniformed. It would be
> very boring world if everything was the same everywhere.
>
> It could have happened that I would live in Wales now. Back in 1997 I
> was applying for jobs all across the country. I had a call fromhttp://www.yale-wrexham.co.uk/, they said that they are very excited
> about my application (that was unusual because normally you just get a
> letter with interview date), but I already have accepted an offer from
> Nottingham by then. So potentially I could have been speaking some
> Welsh by now if I moved there -))
What do you teach, Dmitry? I hadn't stopped to think before where the
name "Yale" comes from: Welsh surname, from Ial means "dweller at the
fertile upland."
(Yale University in USA is named after a British merchant and
benefactor. He had Welsh ancestry — family estate at Plas yn Iâl near
the village of Llandegla, Denbighshire, Wales.)
>Once a Welsh girl was teaching me some phrases and she said that my pronunciation was >best she ever heard (English people have big trouble with pronouncing non-English
> sounds)).
Particularly R ! ☺ (Welsh also has Russian X (German ch).)
> > Here's something from another nation that loves its language and its
> > music:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqcxCtx0fc&feature=related
>
> The sound of this language is unfamiliar to me, so I assume it could
> be Basque??? It sounds European, but I never heard it before. I
> might be wrong.
Yes, it's Basque. I like the sound of it. They have great music.
They love choirs. (On a slightly less cultural note, the Basques are
considered to be the best chefs in Spain. Whereas English restaurants
with an aspiration to class have a French influence – e.g. French
words in the menu – , high-class Spanish restaurants like to claim
they have Basque chefs or they give the restaurant a Basque name. The
best wine region in Spain, Rioja, is also on the fringe of Basque
country.)
> But, anyway, I am in full support of maintaining
> small languages and cultures. In a way, they are treasure. It is sad
> that so many languages are disappearing.
Indeed. Culture diversity is just as important as plant or animal
diversity. Thank Goodness for Europe! And particularly the EU, which
encourages member countries to value their diversity.
Dmitry
I teach music.
> I hadn't stopped to think before where the
> name "Yale" comes from: Welsh surname, from Ial means "dweller at the
> fertile upland."
That's interesting. I was wondering this too in connection with brand
name for locks and keys (before hearing about Yale college and
university).
>
> (Yale University in USA is named after a British merchant and
> benefactor. He had Welsh ancestry — family estate at Plas yn Iâl near
> the village of Llandegla, Denbighshire, Wales.)
>
> >Once a Welsh girl was teaching me some phrases and she said that my pronunciation was >best she ever heard (English people have big trouble with pronouncing non-English
> > sounds)).
>
> Particularly R ! ☺ (Welsh also has Russian X (German ch).)
Yes, these two sounds are the main challenge -))
>
> > > Here's something from another nation that loves its language and its
> > > music:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqcxCtx0fc&feature=related
>
> > The sound of this language is unfamiliar to me, so I assume it could
> > be Basque??? It sounds European, but I never heard it before. I
> > might be wrong.
>
> Yes, it's Basque. I like the sound of it.
I like it too. Is it true that it doesn't belong to Indo-European
family?
Tadas Blinda
> > What do you teach, Dmitry?
>
> I teach music.
>
> > > It sounds European, but I never heard it before. I
> > > might be wrong.
> > Yes, it's Basque. I like the sound of it.
>
> I like it too. Is it true that it doesn't belong to Indo-European
> family?
No. Linguists have not been able to convincingly establish any
relationship of Basque to any other language. From Wiki:
"Basque is an ergative-absolutive language. The subject of an
intransitive verb is in the absolutive case (which is unmarked), and
the same case is used for the direct object of a transitive verb. The
subject of the transitive verb is marked differently, with the
ergative case (shown by the suffix -k). This also triggers main and
auxiliary verbal agreement.
The auxiliary verb, which accompanies most main verbs, agrees not only
with the subject, but with any direct object and the indirect object
present. Among European languages, this polypersonal agreement is only
found in Basque, some languages of the Caucasus, and Hungarian (all
non-Indo-European). The ergative-absolutive alignment is also unique
among European languages, but not rare worldwide."
Over the centuries Basque has been influenced phonetically by Spanish
to the point where the phonetic inventories of Basque and Castillian
are almost identical, that's why it kind of sounds like "Spanish with
funny words". Some Basque words have made it into English (e.g.
bizarre) and a lot more into French and particularly Spanish (e.g.
'perro' for dog, totally unlike cane / chien etc.)
Dmitry
> On Nov 29, 3:09 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:> > What do you teach, Dmitry?
>
> > I teach music.
>
> What's your area of special interest?
My main teaching subjects are performance (non instrument specific),
theory, aural, composition and music sequencing. As far as my music
taste goes: I like wide range of genres, but most enjoy prog rock
(such as Gentle Giant, Magma etc.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzDCfnBhinw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnsfdK96inc&feature=related
BTW. Magma invented their own language, called Kobaïan..... so their
inventiveness doesn't stop at music.
Tadas Blinda
> On Nov 28, 9:15 pm, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 29, 3:09 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:> > What do you teach, Dmitry?
>
> > > I teach music.
>
> > What's your area of special interest?
>
> My main teaching subjects are performance (non instrument specific),
> theory, aural, composition and music sequencing. As far as my music
> taste goes: I like wide range of genres, but most enjoy prog rock
>
> BTW. Magma invented their own language, called Kobaïan..... so their
> inventiveness doesn't stop at music.
Hmmm, Wiki says:
Christian Vander called Magma's music "Zeuhl" (Kobaïan for
"celestial"),[11] and it influenced a number of other (mostly French)
bands, including Zao (France), Art Zoyd (France) and Univers Zero
(Belgium).[12] Zeuhl later became a music genre which was used to
described music similar to that of Magma.[13][14] Several Japanese
Zeuhl bands also sprang up, including Ruins and Kōenji Hyakkei, whose
lyrics are also sung in a constructed language similar to Kobaïan.[5]
There's so much going on in the music and arts world, so many
undercurrents and inter-related developments. That's what makes it
interesting to communicate with people outside one's own little world.
As for me, I have a theory that there's something physiological in me
(call it "wiring") or whatever you want) that makes only what I would
call "gentle" music appealing to me (mainly classical). The furthest
I wander from classical would be something like the French group
Elysium. I have their CD "Auvergne chants", which much to my surprise
I couldn't find on Youtube. But I found it on
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/song_details/284930
See what I mean by "gentle"? ☺ That's my cup of tea. I have stuff
like that on when I'm translating and man and machine (me and my PC)
just dissolve into some sort of magic oneness along with the music and
the words flow out almost effortlessly onto the page.
Dmitry
> "celestial"),[11] and it influenced a number of other (mostly French)
> bands, including Zao (France), Art Zoyd (France) and Univers Zero
> (Belgium).[12] Zeuhl later became a music genre which was used to
> described music similar to that of Magma.[13][14] Several Japanese
> Zeuhl bands also sprang up, including Ruins and Kōenji Hyakkei, whose
> lyrics are also sung in a constructed language similar to Kobaïan.[5]
>
> There's so much going on in the music and arts world, so many
> undercurrents and inter-related developments. That's what makes it
> interesting to communicate with people outside one's own little world.
>
> As for me, I have a theory that there's something physiological in me
> (call it "wiring") or whatever you want) that makes only what I would
> call "gentle" music appealing to me (mainly classical). The furthest
> I wander from classical would be something like the French group
> Elysium. I have their CD "Auvergne chants", which much to my surprise
> See what I mean by "gentle"? ☺ That's my cup of tea.
I like this one too.
> I have stuff
> like that on when I'm translating and man and machine (me and my PC)
> just dissolve into some sort of magic oneness along with the music and
> the words flow out almost effortlessly onto the page.
I wouldn't be able to do this. If music is on I can't concentrate on
anything else that includes brain work. I don't know if it is good or
bad, but I get fully involved in pitch, rhythm and harmony.
Tadas Blinda
I hear it, and I like it, but it doesn't stop me from concentration.
Words, on the other hand, do. So it's strictly instrumental only.
But my concentration is aided only by classical or other tuneful
music. If I were forced to listen to rap or whatever they call that
other raucous stuff these days, I wouldn't be able to get a scrap of
work done. ☺