Shit fuck shit!!!
MTRP™
_Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
Andrius
> Last decent dissident passed ...
> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
Yes. The shit has gone. RIP.
Regards,
AB
MTRP™
> MTRP™ wrote:
> > Last decent dissident passed ...
> > _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
> Yes. The shit has gone. RIP.
??? What was wrong with AS, weirdo? (Hint: He was expelled from SU
before it committed suicide.)
darsi...@comcast.net
> Last decent dissident passed ...
> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
God bless Aleksandr Isayevic. I love his books and I loved his spirit.
Amzina atilsi..
Vidas
vello
God bless him. I don't share all of his ideas - but he was a great man.
Andrius
If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
Regards,
AB
Anton
>>>> Last decent dissident passed ...
>>>> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
> If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
> 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
> before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
What is it with people and logic? I met survivors of Birkenau camp in
Oswiecim in 1995. With your logic being held there could not possibly
have been that bad at all.
In Finland we say "what does not kill you will only make you stronger".
The oldest person in Finland, Aarne Arvonen, 111, is a 1918 civil war
veteran and was a beggar on the street at one time.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200808038046605_uu.shtml
--
Anton
tadas....@lycos.es
> If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
> 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
> before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
What's your problem, burliokai? Did he have to die in the camp to
impress you?
Alexander Solzhenitsyn dies aged 89
* "The Guardian", UK
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Soviet dissident writer and Nobel prize
winner who revealed the horror of Stalin's brutal labour camps to the
world, has died at the age of 89, his son said last night. Stepan
Solzhenitsyn said his father had died of heart failure at his home,
but declined further comment.
The author whose books chronicled the horrors of the Soviet gulag
system was lauded as a moral and spiritual leader as well as one of
the greatest writers of his time. His unflinching accounts of torment
and survival in the Soviet Union's slave labour camps riveted his
compatriots, whose secret history he exposed.
His writings earned him 20 years of exile and international renown,
making him one of the most prominent dissidents of the Soviet era and
a symbol of intellectual resistance to communist rule.
His wife, Natalya, told Interfax that her husband, who suffered along
with millions of Russians in the prison camp system, died as he had
hoped to die.
"He wanted to die in the summer - and he died in the summer," she
said. "He wanted to die at home - and he died at home. In general I
should say that Alexander Isaevich lived a difficult but happy life."
His monumental work the Gulag Archipelago, written in secrecy in the
Soviet Union and published in Paris in three volumes between 1973 and
1978, is the definitive work on Stalin's camps, where tens of millions
perished.
Last year he was awarded one of Russia's highest honours, the state
prize. In announcing the award Yury Osipov, president of the Russian
Academy of Sciences, called Solzhenitsyn "the author of works without
which the history of the 20th century is unthinkable".
His experience in the labour camps was described in his short novel
One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich. His major works, including The
First Circle and Cancer Ward, brought him global admiration and the
1970 Nobel prize for literature.
Stripped of his citizenship and sent into exile in 1974 after the
publication of the Gulag Archipelago the writer settled in the United
States.
But in 1989 Mikhail Gorbachev, allowed the publication of
Solzhenitsyn's works as part of his perestroika reforms and restored
his Soviet citizenship, enabling Solzhenitsyn to return as a hero in
1994.
He was born on December 11 1918, in Kislovodsk, southern Russia, and
grew up a loyal communist and staunch supporter of the Soviet regime.
Solzhenitsyn studied physics and mathematics at Rostov University
before becoming a Soviet army officer after Hitler's invasion in 1941.
As a student he edited the Komsomol newspaper and was awarded one of
only seven Stalin scholarships for outstanding social and scholastic
achievement.
It was while at university that he began to write short stories, and
drafted the plan for an immense Tolstoyan novel intended to celebrate
the October revolution. But his devotion to socialist principles and
indiscreet hostility to Stalin's autocratic rule led to his undoing.
Shortly before the war's end, Solzhenitsyn was arrested and sentenced
to eight years in the labour camps.
For many years he had little expectation that his writings would see
the light of day but the daring One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
caused a sensation. Its revelations about Stalin's policies and the
evils of the labour camps were described as "a literary miracle".
Within weeks his name was known all over the world.
Last night a Kremlin spokesman said: "President Dmitry Medvedev
expressed his condolences to Solzhenitsyn's family."
Andrius
> On Aug 4, 1:32 pm, Andrius <burl...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
> > 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
> > before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
>
> What's your problem, burliokai? Did he have to die in the camp to
> impress you?
<deletions />
It is not your fucking business. Mind your own problems. AS works are
for these who likes to read a shit about crimes in particular pages in
tabloids.
Regards,
Andrius
tadas....@lycos.es
Kam tuojau toks nemandagus? Turbūt rusų kilmės esi? O kai kažką
pasiunti į SCB, tas tampa visų „biznisu“.
Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
From the _Guardian_, for educational purposes only --
"The other Solzhenitsyn"
-
Praise his critique of the Soviet system certainly, but remember that
it was informed by a deeply reactionary pan-Slavism
-
Alexander Solzhenitsyn's anti-Sovietism was heroic and influential,
but its other side became clearer upon the Union's collapse.
The death of the literary colossus and anti-Soviet dissident has,
quite rightly, been greeted with an outpouring of praise for his
principled and brave unmasking of the horrors of the Soviet regime.
His literary achievements, closely connected with his dissident
activities, have also justifiably received much attention.
But there is another side to Solzhenitsyn – one which most obituaries
have mentioned only in passing, if at all. Solzhenitsyn's analysis of
Soviet communism was based on the notion that the Bolsheviks imposed a
totalitarian system on Russia that had no basis in Russian history or
character. He laid the blame on Marx and Engels and the Bolsheviks.
Russian culture, he argued, and particularly that of the Russian
Orthodox Church, was suppressed in favour of atheist Soviet culture.
Persona non grata in the Soviet Union, Solzhenitsyn lived in exile in
the US from 1974, but found western culture equally to his distaste.
His historical writing is imbued with a hankering after an idealized
Tsarist era when, seemingly, everything was rosy. He sought refuge in
a dreamy past, where, he believed, a united Slavic state (the Russian
empire) built on Orthodox foundations had provided an ideological
alternative to western individualistic liberalism.
The break-up of the Soviet Union in 1991, Solzhenitsyn hoped, as he
wrote in a Russian newspaper at the time, would lead to the creation
of a united Slavic state encompassing Russia, Ukraine and Belarus in
which this alternative culture would flourish.
On returning to Russia in 1994, Solzhenitsyn opposed the excesses that
went with the introduction of capitalism in Russia during the 1990s.
In addition, he vociferously opposed Ukrainian independence. But the
rise of Putin and the resurgence of nationalism, and the notion of
Russia as "unique" and "different" from western liberal culture, gave
new currency to his views. Recently, he claimed in an article in a pro-
Kremlin newspaper, which was reprinted widely in the west, that to
call the 1932-33 Holodomor genocide in Ukraine was a "loopy fable"
made up by Ukrainian nationalists and picked up on by anti-Russian
westerners. This article came at the same time as the State Duma's
ruling to the same effect.
His article contained no serious historical analysis. Holodomor, in
fact, coincided with an attack on Ukrainian culture and nationalism,
which were considered a threat by Soviet leaders in Moscow. They were
frightened of the Ukrainian national movement, terrified of many in
the country's desire for independence, and acted to bring it into
line. "If we lose Ukraine," Lenin had said, "we lose our head." They,
like Solzhenitsyn, considered Ukraine a part of their empire.
The parallels with contemporary Russian leaders' attitudes are
striking, and Solzhenitsyn's pan-Slavism, alongside his powerful
dissident credentials, made him an ideal ally for those who continue
to seek to restrict Ukrainian independence. Ironically – disturbingly,
in fact – the self-same unmasker of Stalinist terror with its
sacrifice of human lives to a future ideal exhibited a desire to
ignore people's desires (Ukrainians voted overwhelmingly for
independence in 1991) in favour of an equally fictitious ideal.
Solzhenitsyn's importance as the writer who stripped bare the Soviet
regime to reveal its true essence cannot be underestimated. His
writings inspired people throughout the Soviet Union and the world
with their unflinching revelations. But his credentials as a historian
are dubious to say the least, and the fantastical, backward-looking
political idealism that led him to support Putin's project is a
dangerous relic. Like many of those disillusioned with western
liberalism, in Russia and the west, he fancied that "Putin's path"
provided an alternative. The reality of this "alternative", involving,
for example, the pilfering of resources by Kremlin-backed
"businessmen" and the silencing of the media by censorship and
killing, is less than promising.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/04/solzhenitsyn.russia
Regards,
/P
vello
There are tens of thousands of survivors from nazi KZ camps. You think
it's all lie what they keep telling? GULAG kills tens of millions
people - and it's problem for you that someone survives?
The Black Monk
<cedr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From the _Guardian_, for educational purposes only --
>
> "The other Solzhenitsyn"
>
> -
>
> Praise his critique of the Soviet system certainly, but remember that
> it was informed by a deeply reactionary pan-Slavism
>
> -
>
> Alexander Solzhenitsyn's anti-Sovietism was heroic and influential,
> but its other side became clearer upon the Union's collapse.
>
> The death of the literary colossus and anti-Soviet dissident has,
> quite rightly, been greeted with an outpouring of praise for his
> principled and brave unmasking of the horrors of the Soviet regime.
> His literary achievements, closely connected with his dissident
> activities, have also justifiably received much attention.
>
> in fact - the self-same unmasker of Stalinist terror with its
> sacrifice of human lives to a future ideal exhibited a desire to
> ignore people's desires (Ukrainians voted overwhelmingly for
> independence in 1991) in favour of an equally fictitious ideal.
>
> Solzhenitsyn's importance as the writer who stripped bare the Soviet
> regime to reveal its true essence cannot be underestimated. His
> writings inspired people throughout the Soviet Union and the world
> with their unflinching revelations. But his credentials as a historian
> are dubious to say the least, and the fantastical, backward-looking
> political idealism that led him to support Putin's project is a
> dangerous relic. Like many of those disillusioned with western
> liberalism, in Russia and the west, he fancied that "Putin's path"
> provided an alternative. The reality of this "alternative", involving,
> for example, the pilfering of resources by Kremlin-backed
> "businessmen" and the silencing of the media by censorship and
> killing, is less than promising.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/04/solzhenitsyn.russia
>
> Regards,
> /P
>
> http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
I don't have time to comment extensively, unfortunately, but
Solzhenitsyn's view of Ukraine was much more complex than this author
describes. Of course, as a Russian superpatriot he was opposed to
Ukrainian independence - without Ukraine Russia can never be the equal
of the US in a superpower race, after all, and I suppose in his mind
the stronger Russia is, the better it will be able to resist the
West's cultural onslaught which he rightly condemned. But he wasn't
some sort of anti-Ukrainian zealot. Solzhenitsyn favored some sort of
a federal system, and condemned Russian suppression of Ukrainian
culture
BM
MTRP™
Well, yes, what does not kill you can only make you stronger. In fact
AS was already dying on cancer back in old good soviet times, but
"miraculously" survived and started to write his Red Wheel (so sez the
legend, at least). And yes, the conditions in GULAG were not "so bad
as he wrote" - for plain folks they were still worse (see Kolymskie
Rasskazy by V. Shalamov). And hey, Johnny McCain is still alive and
kicking! Ergo Vietcong GULAG killed only his brain, but caused no harm
to his body. A chinese colleague (prof. from Oxford) once told me
about his father who spent many years in Chinese GULAG (during Mao's
Cultural Revolution and forth) - the guy survived and came home (after
Mao's death) in a pretty sanguine and healthy mode. But it's not the
end of the story. His wife (= prof's mother) got very disappointed
about his thin appearance and began feeding him very extensively.
Everybody seemed to be happy, but the guy died within several weeks
cuz he could not eat that much anymore. Moral? Now back to Andrius. I
wonder why faithful Communists keep denying those (and other) former
communist atrocities. Why not to say 'mea culpa, shit happens' - like
the Vatican addressing those old Inquisition + Witch Burning times,
eh?
captain.
respect for him. my teacher is/was a great admirer of his work.
R.I.P.
"MTRPT" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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captain.
"Andrius" <bur...@web.de> wrote in message
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Regards,
AB
- nice logic. what about all of the war vets who are still alive? i guess
the war wasn't that bad either then???
anita
>
> It is not your fucking business. Mind your own problems. AS works are
> for these who likes to read a shit about crimes in particular pages in
> tabloids.
>
> Regards,
> Andrius
Dear Mr. Wanna-be-rooskie,
Your attempt to suck up to all things Russian has been noted, but
rejected. Calling Mr. Putin "these who likes to read a shit" is a no-
no, y'know. Please go back and try again.
Sincerely,
The post-Soviet Kremlin
(From AP):
Vladimir Putin, now prime minister after eight years as president, was
among the mourners who stopped to express his condolences.
Putin later called for Solzhenitsyn's works to become an important
part of Russia's school curriculum.
"Together with the entire nation, he lived through a great tragedy of
repressions," Putin said in a televised meeting with Russia's
education minister. "But he not only lived through it, but ... by his
works and his entire life, he inoculated our society against tyranny
in all its forms."
Andrius
Do not to cry too much because of that. It is not your business why
they dead. They dead for your and my happy lives.
Regards,
AB
Andrius
> "Andrius" <burl...@web.de> wrote in message
It is bullshit all what he has wrote.
Regards,
AB
Andrius
Relax women. Putin still try to play "wanna be" game.
Regards,
AB
_ G O D _
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>
> It is bullshit all what he has wrote.
Not all of it, you stupid americunt retard. - SOME of it.
Only the parts, where his feeble mind didn't allow him
to cope with the facts, - along with obvious ignorance,
which is a trait of every author of "best selling novels."
Just because he was pimped-out to an audience with
opposing views to those of the ruling establishments,
it does not meant that he attempted to betray public's
loyalty. Because at least he was honest to his twisted
outlook toward the historical geopolitics of Churkistan....
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Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
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vello
vello
about, Solzhenicyn was one such guy. You may not share his ideas, but
you can't denie his genius.
Or surely you can, unhappily big part of mankind are brainless.
Anton
Who would want to eat meat poisoned with Machorka and Vodka anyway?
--
Anton
Andrius
> "Andrius" <burl...@web.de> wrotenews:9bfdc3cf-32fd-4f1c...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Flush a water. And try to cry about Japanese in camps when you locked
them after Perl Harbor story.
Regards,
AB
Andrius
Sick about your questions.
Regards,
AB
Andrius
The one of here was big Zinovyev's fan. Then he got silent. Perhaps
after he found Zinovyev's words "I can not to live in a camp of these
who destroyed my country and nation". He (this fella) understood that
he is simply Zapadoid in Latvia, no more, TSHMO in other words.
Regards,
AB
Dmitry
I remember how his departure was announced by Sovok's media (1973/4?)
- "vrag naroda", "predatel", "rasprostranial anti-sovetskuju
propagandu" and so on. I don't think I share all his ideas either,
but I have lots of respect for the man who raised his voice against
them. I bet they would rather "likvidirovat" him, but couldn't for
political reasons. Later many other Soviet dissidents were inspired
by him.
Dmitry
> Andrius kirjoitti:
>
> > On Aug 4, 12:07 am, MTRP™ <Mir.Topol...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >> Andrius wrote:
> >>> MTRP™ wrote:
> >>>> Last decent dissident passed ...
> >>>> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
> >>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
> > If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
> > 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
> > before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
>
> What is it with people and logic?
In Andrius' logic people were sent to Gulag to ensure the survival of
those who were not.
> for I met survivors of Birkenau camp in
> Oswiecim in 1995. With your logic being held there could not possibly
> have been that bad at all.
I know the guy who is 100 this year. He has survived deportation to
Siberia fore some 20 years or so and still alive. His family was
taken because one of the names on the list was not in the village
(probably escaped to Sweden by rowing boat), so they took a random
family to keep to the number.
>
> In Finland we say "what does not kill you will only make you stronger".
> The oldest person in Finland, Aarne Arvonen, 111, is a 1918 civil war
> veteran and was a beggar on the street at one time.http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200808038046605_uu.shtml
I also knew someone who has gone through Leningrad's blockade and she
was very healthy and lived long.
So let's send everyone to Siberia, starting from Andrius
Dmitry
> Praise his critique of the Soviet system certainly, but remember that
> it was informed by a deeply reactionary pan-Slavism
That's where I do disagree with him as I would with any "reactionary"
nationalism. However, I praise his bravery - it could cost him live.
>
On the other subject, development of Russian pop-muzak. In Melnsils,
where "russkij" is not the language of "speak", teenagers are
gathering around local shop playing this material in their cars with
doors open and use Russian swear words in their conversations.
Strange, I mean Melnsils is no Dvinsk -)
It happened that I visited at the time of the referendum and heard
various opinions. I know the outcome, but I would be interested to
hear your take on this issue.
Dmitry
Do you mean if they didn't die you wouldn't be able to live in
Ireland? Vello should be able to compare the difference in life and
happiness between two periods, you are a bit too young to be a proper
witness.
Dmitry
This morning I've seen vodka called "prostaja", in Rimi in Riga, and
shop assistant told me that many men came back and bought it again
because it didn't give them any head ache. So it has gone healthier.
_ G O D _
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>
> Andrius kirjoitti:
>
> > If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he
> > survived untill 89 in so perfect health condition? He should
> > be dead a 10 times before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
>
> In Andrius' logic people were sent to Gulag
> to ensure the survival of those who were not.
Why wont' we forget about those who died very
young in prisons, to begin with? - Killed by cold
and hunger, - if not from brutality of slave labor,
from the hands of killers, maniacs or jail guards?
Maybe we must forget about the Human Rights
altogether, and put everyone to jails - to ensure
their perceived longevity away from their family,
friends and loved ones and make them to work
for free as productively as they possibly can be?
Anton
>>> Witch way? Do KGB makes cakes from their dead bodies?
>> Who would want to eat meat poisoned with Machorka and Vodka anyway?
> This morning I've seen vodka called "prostaja", in Rimi in Riga, and
> shop assistant told me that many men came back and bought it again
> because it didn't give them any head ache. So it has gone healthier.
I hope the buyers of Primalco read this group then ;)
--
Anton
Anton
>>>>>> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
>>> If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
>>> 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
>>> before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
>> What is it with people and logic?
> In Andrius' logic people were sent to Gulag to ensure the survival of
> those who were not.
How does he explain it that in non-socialist european countries the
people survived, and not only that, people also prospered without any
need to deport anyone to camps?
> I know the guy who is 100 this year. He has survived deportation to
> Siberia fore some 20 years or so and still alive. His family was
> taken because one of the names on the list was not in the village
> (probably escaped to Sweden by rowing boat), so they took a random
> family to keep to the number.
In such circumstances no-one is safe.
> I also knew someone who has gone through Leningrad's blockade and she
> was very healthy and lived long.
> So let's send everyone to Siberia, starting from Andrius
Weight problems and such diseases of the prosperous societies kill the
most. Deportation to Siberia would bring that statistic down for sure.
--
Anton
Andrius
Of course, such kind of bastards would like that.
Regards,
AB
Anton
> On Aug 7, 4:48 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>> I know the guy who is 100 this year. He has survived deportation to
>> Siberia fore some 20 years or so and still alive. His family was
>> taken because one of the names on the list was not in the village
>> (probably escaped to Sweden by rowing boat), so they took a random
>> family to keep to the number.
>> I also knew someone who has gone through Leningrad's blockade and she
>> was very healthy and lived long.
>> So let's send everyone to Siberia, starting from Andrius
> Of course, such kind of bastards would like that.
But hey, according to you it was not so bad at all, so why are you so
reluctant to go there yourself?
--
Anton
Andrius
It is not about "them" it is about you.
Regards,
AB
Dmitry
> >> What is it with people and logic?
> > In Andrius' logic people were sent to Gulag to ensure the survival of
> > those who were not.
>
> How does he explain it that in non-socialist european countries the
> people survived, and not only that, people also prospered without any
> need to deport anyone to camps?
I don't think he will. Besides, there is no logical explanation of
why Stalin ordered to murder or/and deport so many people. Most of
them were no harm to his regime and some were very loyal to it.
>
> > I know the guy who is 100 this year. He has survived deportation to
> > Siberia fore some 20 years or so and still alive. His family was
> > taken because one of the names on the list was not in the village
> > (probably escaped to Sweden by rowing boat), so they took a random
> > family to keep to the number.
>
> In such circumstances no-one is safe.
There were people who took risk crossing the sea from western coast of
Latvia. Nobody knows how many made it to Gotland and how many
didn't. One is for sure, people figured out that they have more
chance to survive sea crossing on rowing boats than Stalin's regime.
>
> > I also knew someone who has gone through Leningrad's blockade and she
> > was very healthy and lived long.
> > So let's send everyone to Siberia, starting from Andrius
>
> Weight problems and such diseases of the prosperous societies kill the
> most. Deportation to Siberia would bring that statistic down for sure.
Most of European countries don't have their own "Siberia", so they
could simply destroy their agriculture; no food - no weight problems
-))
>
> --
> Anton
ostap_be...@hotmail.com
> > Praise his critique of the Soviet system certainly, but remember that
> > it was informed by a deeply reactionary pan-Slavism
>
> That's where I do disagree with him as I would with any "reactionary"
> nationalism. However, I praise his bravery - it could cost him live.
>
>
>
> On the other subject, development of Russian pop-muzak. In Melnsils,
> where "russkij" is not the language of "speak", teenagers are
> gathering around local shop playing this material
>
What material?
captain.
Regards,
AB
- why are you so sure that he was lying? any examples to support your claim?
Lord knows there are many to support his.
captain.
Regards,
AB
- that's great. they died so that we could all lead happy lives. are you
completely insane or just having fun with everyone?
captain.
"Dmitry" <dmitrijs...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
news:b9a5474b-e844-4031...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
I know the guy who is 100 this year. He has survived deportation to
Siberia fore some 20 years or so and still alive. His family was
taken because one of the names on the list was not in the village
(probably escaped to Sweden by rowing boat), so they took a random
family to keep to the number.
------------------------------------------
- a lady that i know spent 5 years of her childhood without her mother
because her mother overheard a joke about stalin while standing in line and
did not report it. she didn't know the people and just happened to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time.
Dmitry
> On Aug 7, 9:22 am, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>
> > > Praise his critique of the Soviet system certainly, but remember that
> > > it was informed by a deeply reactionary pan-Slavism
>
> > That's where I do disagree with him as I would with any "reactionary"
> > nationalism. However, I praise his bravery - it could cost him live.
>
> > On the other subject, development of Russian pop-muzak. In Melnsils,
> > where "russkij" is not the language of "speak", teenagers are
> > gathering around local shop playing this material
>
> What material?
Russian pop-muzak. I don't know their names, but they all sound very
much the same.
KvekIT
> >> Andrius wrote:
> >>> MTRP™ wrote:
> >>>> Last decent dissident passed ...
> >>>> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
> >>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
> > 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
> > before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
>
> Oswiecim in 1995. With your logic being held there could not possibly
> have been that bad at all.
>
Actually, Friedrich Nietzsche told it first.
> The oldest person in Finland, Aarne Arvonen, 111, is a 1918 civil war
> veteran and was a beggar on the street at one time.http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200808038046605_uu.shtml
>
> --
> Anton
Anton
> Sick about your questions.
Such situations occur when you run out of excuses....
Andrius
> "Andrius" <burl...@web.de> wrote in message
Ask Henry and Makarenko. Perhaps they better knows.
Regards,
Andrius
Dmitry
> > completely insane or just having fun with everyone?
>
> Ask Henry and Makarenko. Perhaps they better knows.
Yes, they "knows" their things beter than you do yours.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> On 4 août, 06:52, Anton <anton.use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Andrius kirjoitti:
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 12:07 am, MTRP™ <Mir.Topol...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>> Andrius wrote:
>>>>> MTRP™ wrote:
>>>>>> Last decent dissident passed ...
>>>>>> _Alexander_Solzhenitsyn_dies_at_89_
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540038.stm
>>> If conditions in GULAG were so bad as he wrote, why he survived untill
>>> 89 in so perfect health condition? He should be dead a 10 times
>>> before. Bullshit it is what he has wrote.
>> What is it with people and logic? I met survivors of Birkenau camp in
>> Oswiecim in 1995. With your logic being held there could not possibly
>> have been that bad at all.
>>
>> In Finland we say "what does not kill you will only make you stronger".
>
>
>
> Actually, Friedrich Nietzsche told it first.
>
>
accepted it as a common motto. Something that suits their spirit.
MTRP™
> KvekIT wrote:
> > Anton wrote:
> >> In Finland we say "what does not kill you will only make you stronger".
> > Actually, Friedrich Nietzsche told it first.
> That's O.k. Nietzsche may have said it first, and the Finns have
> accepted it as a common motto. Something that suits their spirit.
Well, vodka suits it much better!
Anton
> Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
>> KvekIT wrote:
>>> Anton wrote:
>>>> In Finland we say "what does not kill you will only make you stronger".
>>> Actually, Friedrich Nietzsche told it first.
Ok. (Not that I actually claimed Finns were 1st.)
>> That's O.k. Nietzsche may have said it first, and the Finns have
>> accepted it as a common motto. Something that suits their spirit.
> Well, vodka suits it much better!
Both do! :-) Actually my generation and the younger gens prefer more and
more beer, cider and wine. However when 17 years old I remember often
bringing a bottle of Vodka to teenagers parties and drinking it raw to
prove the other kids what a tough sob I am... Now when at a wedding last
weekend I didn't even finish off the tiny vodka-schnaps served ;)
--
Anton
Andrius
He got a surgical cancer treatment at 1952 in lager. And a medical
reabilitation after treatment. For free of course. Can you imagine
such kind of act in your Western world?
Regards,
AB
Anton
At least I can.
--
Anton
MTRP™
Shame! But hey, next time try good Brazilian cachasa ... some cachasas
taste better than old Irish whiskey!
captain.
"Anton" <anton....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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lol, yes, quite easily.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
>
> He got a surgical cancer treatment at 1952 in lager. And a medical
> reabilitation after treatment. For free of course. Can you imagine
> such kind of act in your Western world?
>
to and confined to a prison lager?
What was his crime?
captain.
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lol