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Baba Turk

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Apr 7, 2006, 1:11:32 PM4/7/06
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I can't believe! Some dumb politicians in the west still don't know!!!

Fact is: TURKEY IS NOT AN "ISLAMIC" COUNTRY! It never has been!
This is clearly stated in its Constitution since 1923.

Fact is: TURKEY IS A EUROPEAN COUNTRY, not an arabic or asian country!

Atatürk, the founder of the modern Turkey, clearly seperated
state issues from religious issues, and he personally was not
much a believer in religious BS.

For me this man was brilliant, a workhorse; he did the most in modern history on earth!
A son every country can only dream of and be proud of!
Someone like him maybe gets born only once every 1000 years.
My advice: Read a book about Atatürk and the history of Turkey. You will enjoy it!
For an intro see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atatürk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atatürk's_reforms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalist_Ideology (see 'Secularism' there)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kemal_Atatürk
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk (very interessting)

We Turks are unfortunately too polite to point you to your own errors,
but IMO we have to do it! Please study the constitution of Turkey and
visit Turkey and see yourself before talking much BS, dear dumb politicians!


http://www.tbmm.gov.tr/english/constitution.htm
"
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY

PREAMBLE (As amended on October 17, 2001)

In line with the concept of nationalism and the reforms and principles introduced by the founder of the Republic of Turkey, Atatürk,
the immortal leader and the unrivalled hero, this Constitution, which affirms the eternal existence of the Turkish nation and
motherland and the indivisible unity of the Turkish state, embodies;

The determination to safeguard the everlasting existence, prosperity and material and spiritual well-being of the Republic of
Turkey, and to attain the standards of contemporary civilization as an honourable member with equal rights of the family of world
nations;

The understanding of the absolute supremacy of the will of the nation and of the fact that sovereignty is vested fully and
unconditionally in the Turkish nation and that no individual or body empowered to exercise this sovereignty in the name of the
nation shall deviate from liberal democracy and the legal system instituted according to its requirements;

The principle of the separation of powers, which does not imply an order of precedence among the organs of state, but refers solely
to the exercising of certain state powers and discharging of duties which are limited to cooperation and division of functions, and
which accepts the supremacy of the Constitution and the law;

The recognition that no protection shall be accorded to an activity contrary to Turkish national interests, the principle of the
indivisibility of the existence of Turkey with its state and territory, Turkish historical and moral values or the nationalism,
principles, reforms and modernism of Atatürk and that, as required by the principle of secularism, there shall be no interference
whatsoever by sacred religious feelings in state affairs and politics; the acknowledgment that it is the birthright of every Turkish
citizen to lead an honourable life and to develop his or her material and spiritual assets under the aegis of national culture,
civilization and the rule of law, through the exercise of the fundamental rights and freedoms set forth in this Constitution in
conformity with the requirements of equality and social justice;

The recognition that all Turkish citizens are united in national honour and pride, in national joy and grief, in their rights and
duties regarding national existence, in blessings and in burdens, and in every manifestation of national life, and that they have
the right to demand a peaceful life based on absolute respect for one another's rights and freedoms, mutual love and fellowship and
the desire for and belief in "Peace at home, peace in the world".

This Constitution, which is to be embraced with the ideas, beliefs, and resolutions it embodies below should be interpreted and
implemented accordingly, thus commanding respect for, and absolute loyalty to, its letter and spirit.

Is entrusted by the Turkish nation to the patriotism and nationalism of its democracy-loving sons and daughters.

PART ONE

GENERAL PRINCIPLES

I. Form of the State

ARTICLE 1. The Turkish state is a Republic.

II. Characteristics of the Republic

ARTICLE 2. The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, secular and social state governed by the rule of law; bearing in mind the
concepts of public peace, national solidarity and justice; respecting human rights; loyal to the nationalism of Atatürk, and based
on the fundamental tenets set forth in the Preamble.

III. Integrity of the State, Official Language, Flag, National Anthem, and Capital

ARTICLE 3. The Turkish state, with its territory and nation, is an indivisible entity. Its language is Turkish.

Its flag, the form of which is prescribed by the relevant law, is composed of a white crescent and star on a red background.

Its national anthem is the "Independence March".

Its capital is Ankara.

IV. Irrevocable Provisions

ARTICLE 4. The provision of Article 1 of the Constitution establishing the form of the state as a Republic, the provisions in
Article 2 on the characteristics of the Republic, and the provision of Article 3 shall not be amended, nor shall their amendment be
proposed.

V. Fundamental Aims and Duties of the State

ARTICLE 5. The fundamental aims and duties of the state are; to safeguard the independence and integrity of the Turkish Nation, the
indivisibility of the country, the Republic and democracy; to ensure the welfare, peace, and happiness of the individual and
society; to strive for the removal of political, social and economic obstacles which restrict the fundamental rights and freedoms of
the individual in a manner incompatible with the principles of justice and of the social state governed by the rule of law; and to
provide the conditions required for the development of the individual's material and spiritual existence.

VI. Sovereignty

ARTICLE 6. Sovereignty is vested fully and unconditionally in the nation.

The Turkish Nation shall exercise its sovereignty through the authorised organs as prescribed by the principles laid down in the
Constitution.

The right to exercise sovereignty shall not be delegated to any individual, group or class. No person or agency shall exercise any
state authority which does not emanate from the Constitution.

VII. Legislative Power

ARTICLE 7. Legislative power is vested in the Turkish Grand National Assembly on behalf of the Turkish Nation. This power cannot be
delegated.

VIII. Executive Power and Function

ARTICLE 8. Executive power and function shall be exercised and carried out by the President of the Republic and the Council of
Ministers in conformity with the Constitution and the law.

IX. Judicial Power

ARTICLE 9. Judicial power shall be exercised by independent courts on behalf of the Turkish Nation.

X. Equality before the Law (As amended on May 22, 2004)

ARTICLE 10. All individuals are equal without any discrimination before the law, irrespective of language, race, colour, sex,
political opinion, philosophical belief, religion and sect, or any such considerations.

Men and women have equal rights and the State is responsible to implement these rights.

No privilege shall be granted to any individual, family, group or class.

State organs and administrative authorities shall act in compliance with the principle of equality before the law in all their
proceedings.

XI. Supremacy and Binding Force of the Constitution

ARTICLE 11. The provisions of the Constitution are fundamental legal rules binding upon legislative, executive and judicial organs,
and administrative authorities and other institutions and individuals.

Laws shall not be in conflict with the Constitution.

PART TWO

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES

CHAPTER ONE

GENERAL PROVISIONS

I. Nature of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms

ARTICLE 12. Everyone possesses inherent fundamental rights and freedoms which are inviolable and inalienable.

The fundamental rights and freedoms also comprise the duties and responsibilities of the individual to the society, his or her
family, and other individuals.

II. Restriction of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms

ARTICLE 13. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

Fundamental rights and freedoms may be restricted only by law and in conformity with the reasons mentioned in the relevant articles
of the Constitution without infringing upon their essence. These restrictions shall not be in conflict with the letter and spirit of
the Constitution and the requirements of the democratic order of the society and the secular Republic and the principle of
proportionality.


III. Prohibition of Abuse of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms

ARTICLE 14. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

None of the rights and freedoms embodied in the Constitution shall be exercised with the aim of violating the indivisible integrity
of the state with its territory and nation, and endangering the existence of the democratic and secular order of the Turkish
Republic based upon human rights.

No provision of this Constitution shall be interpreted in a manner that enables the State or individuals to destroy the fundamental
rights and freedoms embodied in the Constitution or to stage an activity with the aim of restricting them more extensively than
stated in the Constitution.

The sanctions to be applied against those who perpetrate these activities in conflict with these provisions shall be determined by
law.

IV. Suspension of the Exercise of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms (As amended on May 22, 2004)

ARTICLE 15. In times of war, mobilization, martial law, or state of emergency, the exercise of fundamental rights and freedoms can
be partially or entirely suspended, or measures may be taken, to the extent required by the exigencies of the situation, which
derogate the guarantees embodied in the Constitution, provided that obligations under international law are not violated.

Even under the circumstances indicated in the first paragraph, the individual's right to life, and the integrity of his or her
material and spiritual entity shall be inviolable except where death occurs through lawful act of warfare; no one may be compelled
to reveal his or her religion, conscience, thought or opinion, nor be accused on account of them; offences and penalties may not be
made retroactive, nor may anyone be held guilty until so proven by a court judgment.


V. Status of Aliens

ARTICLE 16. The fundamental rights and freedoms of aliens may be restricted by law in a manner consistent with international law.

CHAPTER TWO

RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF THE INDIVIDUAL

I. Personal Inviolability, Material and Spiritual Entity of the Individual (As amended on May 22, 2004)

ARTICLE 17. Everyone has the right to life and the right to protect and develop his material and spiritual entity.

The physical integrity of the individual shall not be violated except under medical necessity and in cases prescribed by law; and
shall not be subjected to scientific or medical experiments without his or her consent.

No one shall be subjected to torture or ill-treatment; no one shall be subjected to penalties or treatment incompatible with human
dignity.

Cases such as the act of killing in self-defence, occurrences of death as a result of the use of a weapon permitted by law as a
necessary measure during apprehension, the execution of warrants of arrest, the prevention of the escape of lawfully arrested or
convicted persons, the quelling of riot or insurrection, or carrying out the orders of authorized bodies during martial law or state
of emergency, are outside of the scope of the provision of paragraph 1.


II. Prohibition of Forced Labour

ARTICLE 18. No one shall be forced to work. Forced labour is prohibited.

Work required of an individual while serving a prison sentence or under detention, services required from citizens during a state of
emergency, and physical or intellectual work necessitated by the requirements of the country as a civic obligation do not come under
the description of forced labour, provided that the form and conditions of such labour are prescribed by law.

III. Personal Liberty and Security

ARTICLE 19. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.

No one shall be deprived of his or her liberty except in the following cases where procedure and conditions are prescribed by law:
Execution of sentences restricting liberty and the implementation of security measures decided by court order; apprehension or
detention of an individual in line with a court ruling or an obligation upon him designated by law; execution of an order for the
purpose of the educational supervision of a minor or for bringing him or her before the competent authority; execution of measures
taken in conformity with the relevant legal provision for the treatment, education or correction in institutions of a person of
unsound mind, an alcoholic or drug addict or vagrant or a person spreading contagious diseases, when such persons constitute a
danger to the public, apprehension or detention of a person who enters or attempts to enter illegally into the country or for whom a
deportation or extradition order has been issued.

Individuals against whom there is strong evidence of having committed an offence can be arrested by decision of a judge solely for
the purposes of preventing escape, or preventing the destruction or alteration of evidence as well as in similar other circumstances
which necessitate detention and are prescribed by law. Apprehension of a person without a decision by a judge shall be resorted to
only in cases when a person is caught in the act of committing an offence or in cases where delay is likely to thwart the course of
justice; the conditions for such acts shall be defined by law.

Individuals arrested or detained shall be promptly notified, and in all cases in writing, or orally, when the former is not
possible, of the grounds for their arrest or detention and the charges against them; in cases of offences committed collectively
this notification shall be made, at the latest, before the individual is brought before a judge.

The person arrested or detained shall be brought before a judge within at latest forty-eight hours and in the case of offences
committed collectively within at most four days, excluding the time taken to send the individual to the court nearest to the place
of arrest. No one can be deprived of his or her liberty without the decision of a judge after the expiry of the above-specified
periods. These periods may be extended during a state of emergency, under martial law or in time of war.

The arrest or detention of a person shall be notified to next of kin immediately.

Persons under detention shall have the right to request trial within a reasonable time or to be released during investigation or
prosecution. Release may be made conditional to the presentation of an appropriate guarantee with a view to securing the presence of
the person at the trial proceedings and the execution of the court sentence.

Persons deprived of their liberty under any circumstances are entitled to apply to the appropriate judicial authority for speedy
conclusion of proceedings regarding their situation and for their release if the restriction placed upon them is not lawful.

Damage suffered by persons subjected to treatment contrary to the above provisions shall be compensated by the State with respect to
the general principles of the law on compensation.


IV. Privacy and Protection of Private Life

A. Privacy of Individual Life

ARTICLE 20. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

Everyone has the right to demand respect for his or her private and family life. Privacy of an individual or family life cannot be
violated.

Unless there exists a decision duly passed by a judge on one or several of the grounds of national security, public order,
prevention of crime commitment, protection of public health and public morals, or protection of the rights and freedoms of others,
or unless there exists a written order of an agency authorised by law in cases where delay is prejudicial, again on the
above-mentioned grounds, neither the person nor the private papers, nor belongings, of an individual shall be searched nor shall
they be seized. The decision of the authorized agency shall be submitted for the approval of the judge having jurisdiction within 24
hours. The judge shall announce his decision within 48 hours from the time of seizure; otherwise, seizure shall automatically be
lifted.


B. Inviolability of the Domicile

ARTICLE 21. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

The domicile of an individual shall not be violated.

Unless there exists a decision duly passed by a judge on one or several of the grounds of national security, public order,
prevention of crime commitment, protection of public health and public morals, or protection of the rights and freedoms of others,
or unless there exists a written order of an agency authorised by law in cases where delay is prejudicial, again on the
above-mentioned grounds, no domicile may be entered or searched or the property therein seized. The decision of the authorised
agency shall be submitted for the approval of the judge having jurisdiction within 24 hours. The judge shall announce his decision
within 48 hours from the time of seizure; otherwise, seizure shall automatically be lifted.


C. Freedom of Communication

ARTICLE 22. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

Everyone has the right to freedom of communication.

Secrecy of communication is fundamental.

Unless there exists a decision duly passed by a judge on one or several of the grounds of national security, public order,
prevention of crime commitment, protection of public health and public morals, or protection of the rights and freedoms of others,
or unless there exists a written order of an agency authorised by law in cases where delay is prejudicial, again on the
above-mentioned grounds, communication shall not be impeded nor its secrecy be violated. The decision of the authorised agency shall
be submitted for the approval of the judge having jurisdiction within 24 hours. The judge shall announce his decision within 48
hours from the time of seizure; otherwise, seizure shall automatically be lifted.

Public establishments or institutions where exceptions to the above may be applied are defined by law.


V. Freedom of Residence and Movement

ARTICLE 23. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

Everyone has the right to freedom of residence and movement.

Freedom of residence may be restricted by law for the purpose of preventing offences, promoting social and economic development,
ensuring sound and orderly urban growth, and protecting public property; freedom of movement may be restricted by law for the
purpose of investigation and prosecution of an offence, and prevention of offences. A citizen's freedom to leave the country may be
restricted on account of civic obligations, or criminal investigation or prosecution.

Citizens may not be deported, or deprived of their right of entry to their homeland.

VI. Freedom of Religion and Conscience

ARTICLE 24. Everyone has the right to freedom of conscience, religious belief and conviction.

Acts of worship, religious services, and ceremonies shall be conducted freely, provided that they do not violate the provisions of
Article 14.

No one shall be compelled to worship, or to participate in religious ceremonies and rites, to reveal religious beliefs and
convictions, or be blamed or accused because of his religious beliefs and convictions.

Education and instruction in religion and ethics shall be conducted under state supervision and control. Instruction in religious
culture and moral education shall be compulsory in the curricula of primary and secondary schools. Other religious education and
instruction shall be subject to the individual's own desire, and in the case of minors, to the request of their legal
representatives.

No one shall be allowed to exploit or abuse religion or religious feelings, or things held sacred by religion, in any manner
whatsoever, for the purpose of personal or political influence, or for even partially basing the fundamental, social, economic,
political, and legal order of the state on religious tenets.

VII. Freedom of Thought and Opinion

ARTICLE 25. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought and opinion. No one shall be compelled to reveal his thoughts and opinions
for any reason or purpose, nor shall anyone be blamed or accused on account of his thoughts and opinions.

VIII. Freedom of Expression and Dissemination of Thought

ARTICLE 26. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

Everyone has the right to express and disseminate his thoughts and opinion by speech, in writing or in pictures or through other
media, individually or collectively. This right includes the freedom to receive and impart information and ideas without
interference from official authorities. This provision shall not preclude subjecting transmission by radio, television, cinema, and
similar means to a system of licensing.

The exercise of these freedoms may be restricted for the purposes of protecting national security, public order and public safety,
the basic characteristics of the Republic and safeguarding the indivisible integrity of the State with its territory and nation,
preventing crime, punishing offenders, withholding information duly classified as a state secret, protecting the reputation and
rights and private and family life of others, or protecting professional secrets as prescribed by law, or ensuring the proper
functioning of the judiciary.

The formalities, conditions and procedures to be applied in exercising the right to expression and dissemination of thought shall be
prescribed by law.


IX. Freedom of Science and the Arts

ARTICLE 27. Everyone has the right to study and teach freely, explain, and disseminate science and arts and to carry out research in
these fields.

The right to disseminate shall not be exercised for the purpose of changing the provisions of Articles 1, 2 and 3 of this
Constitution.

The provisions of this article shall not preclude regulation by law of the entry and distribution of foreign publications in the
country.

X. Provisions Relating to the Press and Publication

A. Freedom of the Press

ARTICLE 28. (As amended on October 17, 2001)

The press is free, and shall not be censored. The establishment of a printing house shall not be subject to prior permission or the
deposit of a financial guarantee.

The state shall take the necessary measures to ensure freedom of the press and freedom of information.

In the limitation of freedom of the press, Articles 26 and 27 of the Constitution are applicable.

Anyone who writes or prints any news or articles which threaten the internal or external security of the state or the indivisible
integrity of the state with its territory and nation, which tend to incite offence, riot or insurrection, or which refer to
classified state secrets and anyone who prints or transmits such news or articles to others for the above purposes, shall be held
responsible under the law relevant to these offences. Distribution may be suspended as a preventive measure by the decision of a
judge, or in the event delay is deemed prejudicial, by the competent authority designated by law. The authority suspending
distribution shall notify a competent judge of its decision within twenty-four hours at the latest. The order suspending
distribution shall become null and void unless upheld by a competent judge within forty-eight hours at the latest.

No ban shall be placed on the reporting of events, except by the decision of judge issued to ensure proper functioning of the
judiciary, within the limits specified by law.

Periodical and non-periodical publications may be seized by a decision of a judge in cases of ongoing investigation or prosecution
of offences prescribed by law, and, in situations where delay could endanger the indivisible integrity of the state with its
territory and nation, national security, public order or public morals and for the prevention of offence by order of the competent
authority designated by law. The authority issuing the order to confiscate shall notify a competent judge of its decision within
twenty-four hours at the latest. The order to confiscate shall become null and void unless upheld by the competent court within
forty-eight hours at the latest.

The general common provisions shall apply when seizure and confiscation of periodicals and non-periodicals for reasons of criminal
investigation and prosecution takes place.

Periodicals published in Turkey may be temporarily suspended by court sentence if found to contain material which contravenes the
indivisible integrity of the state with its territory and nation, the fundamental principles of the Republic, national security and
public morals. Any publication which clearly bears the characteristics of being a continuation of a suspended periodical is
prohibited; and shall be seized following a decision by a competent judge.

B. Right to Publish Periodicals and Non-periodicals

ARTICLE 29. Publication of periodicals or non-periodicals shall not be subject to prior authorisation or the deposit of a financial
guarantee.

To publish a periodical it shall suffice to submit the information and documents prescribed by law to the competent authority
designated by law. If the information and documents submitted are found to be in contravention of law, the competent authority shall
apply to the appropriate court for suspension of publication.

The publication of periodicals, the conditions of publication, the financial resources and the rules relevant to the profession of
journalism shall be regulated by law. The law shall not impose any political, economic, financial, and technical conditions, thus
obstructing or making difficult the free dissemination of news, thought, or beliefs.

Periodicals shall have equal access to the means and facilities of the state, other public corporate bodies, and their agencies.

C. Protection of Printing Facilities (As amended on May 22, 2004)

ARTICLE 30. A printing house, its annexes and press equipment duly established as a press enterprise under law shall not be seized,
confiscated, or barred from operation on the grounds of being an instrument of crime.
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[... see the given link at top for the rest]


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The Turkish version of the Constitution of Turkey can be found here:
http://www.tbmm.gov.tr/Anayasa.htm


gogu

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Apr 10, 2006, 7:03:45 PM4/10/06
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? "Baba Turk" <52000108...@t-online.de> ?????? ??? ??????
news:e165ul$te3$00$1...@news.t-online.com...

>I can't believe! Some dumb politicians in the west still don't know!!!

The only ... dumb around it's you!

> Fact is: TURKEY IS A EUROPEAN COUNTRY, not an arabic or asian country!

When I look at mass-spammers like you I can't but say: TURKEY IS *NOT* A
EUROPEAN COUNTRY!

Now pray tell us, why have you spammed scg with more than ... 917 spam
messages?...
Is this the way a "European Turk" behaves?...
If you think that this is the right way to promote Turkey's public image and
make friends for your country, you are deplorably wrong!
MORON!


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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
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umu

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Apr 11, 2006, 7:28:08 AM4/11/06
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gogu wrote:
> ? "Baba Turk" <52000108...@t-online.de> ?????? ??? ??????
> >I can't believe! Some dumb politicians in the west still don't know!!!
>
> The only ... dumb around it's you!
>
> > Fact is: TURKEY IS A EUROPEAN COUNTRY, not an arabic or asian country!
>
> When I look at mass-spammers like you I can't but say: TURKEY IS *NOT* A
> EUROPEAN COUNTRY!
>
> Now pray tell us, why have you spammed scg with more than ... 917 spam
> messages?...
> Is this the way a "European Turk" behaves?...
> If you think that this is the right way to promote Turkey's public image and
> make friends for your country, you are deplorably wrong!
> MORON!

You are a well known liar. This was multiple times proven. One just
needs to browse thru the threads of your postings in the archives:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Hj-oEyEAAAANsDxYHVvVZm6B3gRcY9BtI_gnRIbIRVga20XwePQPxpHRGrMdZImE0Gr1e5nVtd0

Ξεξασπρος

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Apr 11, 2006, 8:16:34 AM4/11/06
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Seanie or UMU is that your new ID Shitsniffer?You always give yourself
away clown
by going after GOGU
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

gogu

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Apr 11, 2006, 5:15:32 PM4/11/06
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? "umu" <u...@topkale.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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Buzz off VANDAL!
You are a shame to your own country, Turkey!

gogu

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Apr 11, 2006, 5:35:32 PM4/11/06
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? "umu" <u...@topkale.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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LOL
Another proof that unu is a criminal:-)
My previous message, the message he is replying is now ... *CANCELLED*;-)

QED!

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