P. Hanson and the sorts
Tropics
Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
span yet endowed to her kinds.
Kee
Alan Peyton-Smith
Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
crap into the discussion?
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"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy
from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent
that will reach to himself."
-- Thomas Paine
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S. J. Ha
On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 04:29:28 GMT, rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>
>>Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
>>crap into the discussion?
>
>
>that particular cause for quite some time now. I believe that people are
>entitled to their own opinions and to share these opinions with others... or
>doesn't that comply with your set of rules regarding free-speech.
>
>Tim...
>
*laugh* Round one to Tim. :-p
Alfa
On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 22:06:14 -0600, Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id>
wrote:
>Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>span yet endowed to her kinds.
Hi Kee,
I understand that you are angry with all these stupid racists but
let's try not to fight racism with insinuations of evolutionary
theories.
Cheers
Alfa
>
>Kee
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>>Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>>towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>>which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>>bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>>span yet endowed to her kinds.
>Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
I asked him why he brought the racist crap into the discussion, I
didn't tell him not to.
I also asked him if he had any logical arguments to present. I know
better than to ask that of you.
THOMAS LAU
: >Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
: >towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
: >which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
: >bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
: >span yet endowed to her kinds.
: Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
: crap into the discussion?
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
: "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy
: from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent
: that will reach to himself."
: -- Thomas Paine
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
World. So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
discussion group......
Alan Peyton-Smith
la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>Alan Peyton-Smith (10035...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>: Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>: >Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>: >towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>: >which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>: >bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>: >span yet endowed to her kinds.
>: Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
>: crap into the discussion?
>: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>: "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy
>: from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent
>: that will reach to himself."
>: -- Thomas Paine
>: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
What racist comment? Did she call someone a poisonous little
slanty-eyed gook while my attention was otherwise occupied?
>No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
>World.
"Everybody?? Which everybody? You're making this up as you go, aren't
you? :-)
>So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
>the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
>Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
>mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
>genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
>discussion group......
Hmm, yeah. You just gave me a really evil, nasty idea.. I think I just
might add couple of REAL racist ng's to this cheery little
discussion..
alt.politics.nationalism.white, alt.politics.white-power
I just can't resist it.. Oooh, I am a wicked little vegemite.. Tee
hee..
Naah.. I chickened out.. Maybe tomorrow, if it's a slow news day.:-)
Keith Kum-Tuck Wong
Tim (rip...@zeta.org.au) wrote:
: Having said that, I would then have to ask the question, how many Asian
: countries would accept me, a white anglo Australian, as a passport holding
: citizen?
Agreed, Tim. That's why so many of us want to come to Australia, because
even back in Asia we cannot escape racism. I myself come from Malaysia,
which has institutionalised racism. Its constitution spells out the
differences between the different races, and government policy states
that different races are to be treated differently. Members of my family
were injured in the 1969 racial riots in Kuala Lumpur.
Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
belief in Australians being tolerant.
What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
Makes me wonder what kind of society I live in.
--
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Yizoo
la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
still doesn't take away the fact that a lot of what she said publicly
are pure simple racist CRAP and pure simple BIGOTRY. this is beside
all the INCORRECT QUOTES, like population figures, immigration
statistics etc.. and it is indeed scarry to have SUCH OBVIOUS LOW LIFE
representing the electorate in her constituency.
PAULINE HANSON IS THE HUGEST EMBARASSMENT TO AUSTRALIA SINCE THE
WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY.
whatever some myopic supporters of her might argue about some of her
microscopic "more correct" points, she is still an EMBARASSMENT. and
face it,
PAULINE HANSON IS COSTING AUSTRALIANS A LOT OF MONEY.
>No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
>World. So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
>the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
>Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
>mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
>genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
>discussion group......
why bother. they'll all echo Hitler despite all the obvious facts
anyway. most of these neo-kkk types have been implanted with 50 year
old micro-micro chips with daily playback of snow white, cheese
burgers, victorian era architecture, apollo landing and THE QUEEN THE
QUEEN!
there are many way of cooking potatos, attention attention the white
bigots. don't just mash them or chip them. so violent you people.
TIME TO DIVERSIFY. try frying potato slices with chopped shallots,
ginger, minced bbq pork and a touch of vintage rice wine and soya
sauce. yum yum. might help undo your soul-sucking mind-fxcking
consciousness-bleaching implants your dear old mother queen rewarded
you for your blind loyalty.
consider this for the new national anthem --
putty cat putty cat where have you been
i've been to london to look at the queen
putty cat putty cat what did u do there
I put a pound of opium into her tea
zhang zhiyao
THOMAS LAU (la...@vcn.bc.ca) [30 Oct 1996 21:37:37 GMT] <soc.culture.australian>:
#No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
#World. So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
#the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
#Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
#mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
#genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
#discussion group......
I don't think that your theory holds any water whatsoever. Speaking of
racists, have you looked at yourself in a mirror recently?
Prize example, you are.
zhiyao (alex)
Tim
la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
>No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
>World. So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
>the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
>Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
>mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
>genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
>discussion group......
As much as I despise Pauline Hanson for her comments and the way that she has
managed to divide Australia, I do wish you would not generalise regarding
Australia being the most racist country in the world - if anything we are the
most racial country in the world. This is one of the things that I love about
this country and which people like Pauline Hanson who are intolerant of
unfamiliar culture/religion would love to see ended. They fear
multi-culturalism.
Having said that, I would then have to ask the question, how many Asian
countries would accept me, a white anglo Australian, as a passport holding
citizen? As an example, my wife is Japanese and I know that I could not become
a Japanese citizen. If we were to live in Japan, I would have to check in at
regular intervals to the immigration authorities to verify that we were still
married, and I could certainly never hold a Japanese passport. In terms of
immigration restrictions and the way in which minority groups are treated, there
are many countries in Asia far worse than Australia.
In Australia, anyone from any part of the globe can, after a waiting period and
if there resident status checks out, claim citizenship and the Australian
passport that goes with it. And many have done this and have made Australia, in
my opinion, one of the greatest places to live on the planet - and I have
travelled throughout Asia, the USA, Europe, and the UK.
The only minority group who have really suffered in a big way at the hands of
the anglos in this country are the Aborigines who, like the Nth and Sth American
indians were callously treated by invading anglos/Europeans.
regards, Tim...
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>>>>Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>>>>towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>>>>which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>>>>bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>>>>span yet endowed to her kinds.
>>>Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
>>>crap into the discussion?
>>Freedom of speech Alan... or have you forgotten that you have been championing
>>that particular cause for quite some time now. I believe that people are
>>entitled to their own opinions and to share these opinions with others... or
>>doesn't that comply with your set of rules regarding free-speech.
>I asked him why he brought the racist crap into the discussion, I
>didn't tell him not to.
>I also asked him if he had any logical arguments to present. I know
>better than to ask that of you.
You accuse me of stooping to abuse, yet here you go again bringing my character
into question. Listen Alan, when omne wishes to express their opinion there is
no requirement for them to back it up with logical arguments - case in point
being Pauline Hanson.
regards, Tim...
Tung Tung Yang
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>>Alan Peyton-Smith (10035...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>>: Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>>: >Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>>: >towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>>: >which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>>: >bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>>: >span yet endowed to her kinds.
>>: Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
>>: crap into the discussion?
>>: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>: "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy
>>: from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent
>>: that will reach to himself."
>>: -- Thomas Paine
>>: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
>What racist comment? Did she call someone a poisonous little
>slanty-eyed gook while my attention was otherwise occupied?
All the Aussies are slant-eyed gook, lying on beaches, sucking
dickheads.
>>No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
>>World.
>"Everybody?? Which everybody? You're making this up as you go, aren't
>you? :-)
Every Aussie in this world is lazy, stupid and racist. The most
laughable thing is that they think they are superior. This is so
hilarious since the Aussies are nothing more than cock-sucking little
sewage worms.
>>So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
>>the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
>>Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
>>mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
>>genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
>>discussion group......
>Hmm, yeah. You just gave me a really evil, nasty idea.. I think I just
>might add couple of REAL racist ng's to this cheery little
>discussion..
>alt.politics.nationalism.white, alt.politics.white-power
>I just can't resist it.. Oooh, I am a wicked little vegemite.. Tee
>hee..
>Naah.. I chickened out.. Maybe tomorrow, if it's a slow news day.:-)
You silly Aussie fool, backward, ignorant, sleezy, pathetic. Even
asshole worms are better than you crappy Aussies. Just bug off you
fool.
Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>>Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>>>>>Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>>>>>towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>>>>>which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>>>>>bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>>>>>span yet endowed to her kinds.
>>>>Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
>>>>crap into the discussion?
>>>Freedom of speech Alan... or have you forgotten that you have been championing
>>>that particular cause for quite some time now. I believe that people are
>>>entitled to their own opinions and to share these opinions with others... or
>>>doesn't that comply with your set of rules regarding free-speech.
>>I asked him why he brought the racist crap into the discussion, I
>>didn't tell him not to.
>>I also asked him if he had any logical arguments to present. I know
>>better than to ask that of you.
>You accuse me of stooping to abuse, yet here you go again bringing my character
>into question. Listen Alan, when omne wishes to express their opinion there is
>no requirement for them to back it up with logical arguments
Is that why you never do so?
>- case in point
>being Pauline Hanson.
She's got more brains and guts and ability and intelligence than
you'll ever have.
Alan Peyton-Smith
l...@matrix.infomatch.com (Tung Tung Yang) wrote:
>All the Aussies are slant-eyed gook, lying on beaches, sucking
>dickheads.
...
>Every Aussie in this world is lazy, stupid and racist. The most
>laughable thing is that they think they are superior. This is so
>hilarious since the Aussies are nothing more than cock-sucking little
>sewage worms.
...
>You silly Aussie fool, backward, ignorant, sleezy, pathetic. Even
>asshole worms are better than you crappy Aussies. Just bug off you
>fool.
>
Tung Tung Yang
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>l...@matrix.infomatch.com (Tung Tung Yang) wrote:
>>All the Aussies are slant-eyed gook, lying on beaches, sucking
>>dickheads.
>...
>>Every Aussie in this world is lazy, stupid and racist. The most
>>laughable thing is that they think they are superior. This is so
>>hilarious since the Aussies are nothing more than cock-sucking little
>>sewage worms.
>...
>>You silly Aussie fool, backward, ignorant, sleezy, pathetic. Even
>>asshole worms are better than you crappy Aussies. Just bug off you
>>fool.
Please do not flatter me too much by posting under my name.
Jeremy Chen
I see no objection from Mr APS. Let's all assume that he agrees with it.
Alan Peyton-Smith wrote:
>
> >All the Aussies are slant-eyed gook, lying on beaches, sucking
> >dickheads.
> ...
>
> >Every Aussie in this world is lazy, stupid and racist. The most
> >laughable thing is that they think they are superior. This is so
> >hilarious since the Aussies are nothing more than cock-sucking little
> >sewage worms.
> ...
>
> >You silly Aussie fool, backward, ignorant, sleezy, pathetic. Even
> >asshole worms are better than you crappy Aussies. Just bug off you
> >fool.
>
> >
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy
> from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent
> that will reach to himself."
> -- Thomas Paine
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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ghettos and do not assimilate." - Adolf Hitler
and Pauline Hansen (Copy-cat!)
Aussies are Racists!
Asian culture dosen't stink!
tropics
Alan, you do get emotional so easily. Trust me, its your genes fighting
back. Anyway the racist crap that you were accusing me of, weren't
exactly racist. When I wrote P.Hanson and the ...., why did you infer
that I was classifying race as the criteria. Why didn't you assume that I
was referring to the generally inferior under-evolved humans that could
be easily swayed by racial factors. Could it be that you are part of the
sorts that I was ascribing. Wake up sir, being white, black, yellow or
even green does not in the least reveal any mentality. Perhaps it was the
different cultures that somehow bridge the misunderstandings and
prejudices. A little tolerance wouldn't hurt anyone and would go a long
way to foster better interacial relationship.
kee
Tung Tung Yang
tcy...@netcom.com (Tung-chiang Yang) wrote:
>Your address is not valid. It is not your name.
Please do not flatter me too much by posting under my name.
Your address is not valid. It is not your name.
>=====================================
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>: Please do not flatter me too much by posting under my name.
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Tim
tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
>Tim (rip...@zeta.org.au) wrote:
>: Having said that, I would then have to ask the question, how many Asian
>: countries would accept me, a white anglo Australian, as a passport holding
>: citizen?
>Agreed, Tim. That's why so many of us want to come to Australia, because
>even back in Asia we cannot escape racism. I myself come from Malaysia,
>which has institutionalised racism. Its constitution spells out the
>differences between the different races, and government policy states
>that different races are to be treated differently. Members of my family
>were injured in the 1969 racial riots in Kuala Lumpur.
>Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
>a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
>racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
>phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
>belief in Australians being tolerant.
>What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
>Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
>(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
>Makes me wonder what kind of society I live in.
Agreed. But more frighteningly it makes me wonder what kind of leadership we
have in this country that Howard can let this thing get so out of control in the
first place.
regards, Tim...
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>I also asked him if he had any logical arguments to present. I know
>>>better than to ask that of you.
>>You accuse me of stooping to abuse, yet here you go again bringing my character
>>into question. Listen Alan, when omne wishes to express their opinion there is
>>no requirement for them to back it up with logical arguments
>Is that why you never do so?
>>- case in point
>>being Pauline Hanson.
>She's got more brains and guts and ability and intelligence than
>you'll ever have.
Yet another childish retort Alan? I don't know why you bother when you can't
handle the fact that others might disagree with your thoughts - discussion is
about free exchange of thoughts and opinions. so please learn to handle it.
Tim...
Gary King
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim)
> tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
> >Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
> >a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
> >racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
> >phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
> >belief in Australians being tolerant.
Although intolerence is in every country, Western countries seem to be
judged by different standards. Meaning we can be critisized but not
them.
> >What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
> >Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
> >(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
>
> >Makes me wonder what kind of society I live in.
At least 35% sounds better than what the press was saying earlier, about
Hanson getting 90% support!
> Agreed. But more frighteningly it makes me wonder what kind of leadership we
> have in this country that Howard can let this thing get so out of control in the
> first place.
He did re-iterate several times how welcome Asian immigrants are. It is
more like he didn't want to give Hanson, only an independent backbencher
afterall, any acknowledgement or prominence.
Cheers
Gary King
Jesse Eunsuk JUN
It looks endless..
People keep saying their ideas...which are too much generalised...too
much offensive..
As time goes by, more and more stupid ideas come out...
Racial discrimination must be an instinct of human-beings...
The main problem is some humans lose the control of their instinct....
Steve Sundberg
William Box (wb...@ionet.net) wrote:
:
: Racial discrimination is not instinctual: It is learned behavior!
I disagree. Racial bigotry, from which discrimination descends, is
really just an expression of xenophobia. Fear is more an instinctive
behavior than a learned trait.
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William Box (wb...@ionet.net) wrote:
: Racial discrimination is not instinctual: It is learned behavior!
Pretty strong statement. Have any proof of this assertion other than a
particular political agenda? E.g., any country in the world where racial
discrimination in some form or other doesn't exist? E.g., a definitive
delineation of which particular human behaviors are caused by instinct
and which are not?
tlim8
This reluctance on the part of the government to ourightly call a spade a
spade is going to prove a very expensive exercise for Australia. Asians
are no fools. There are times when it is neccessary to come clean in no
uncertain terms by damming the untruths vehemently and by doing so put an
end to this and get on to other matters of importance that affect this
nation.
A low inflation rate for this nation is great. The bottom line
is, this rate is meaningless to those who are unemployed. Reduce the
unemployment rate and the rest of the ills will take care of itself.
Asian societies like Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia, Singapore are great
because the dignity of their citizenry is preserved with employment
available to those who need it. If high unemployment rate continues in
Australia, ghettos will be formed by all the unemployed regardless of
race, colour or creed.
There are basically three types of Asian migrants to Australia:-
The business migants who come to this country with a large sum of money,
the skilled migrants who have proven themselves in the old country with
their skills and they too arrive in this country not in a state of
destitution, and the refugees who are admited on humanitarian grounds.
Except for the refugees the two other categories do not logically form
ghettos. They have not come from ghettos. Some of the refugees have
suffered inhumane treatment before coming to this country. In fact it can
be said they have metaphoricaly died and this life here is a rebirth.
Their determination to make good here is admirable. Some refugees have
come here with a lot of gold bars. Refugees if they form ghettos will be
out of it before long. Give them a fair go and they will be trememdous
assets to Australian society. Why the government is so slow in coming
forth to clear the air is hardly understandable. Asian Nations can see
through the cloud of mystery surrounding this fanfare.
Yizoo
tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
>Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
>a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
>racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
>phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
>belief in Australians being tolerant.
same here. i've in occasion received overt racist gestures. i also get
daggers from both sides because i happened to be an asian female in a
relationship with a young white men. but still generally white
australians are warm people at heart. especially when you treat then
as persons, not as "whites".
>What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
>Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
>(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
dropped tremendously in the last few days fortunately. thanks to tv
broadcasts of the anti-pauline march, which shows white aussies from
all walks of life mingle with asians who speak their mind. what a
wonderful sight....
>Makes me wonder what kind of society I live in.
sometimes i do get all gloomy about this too. but if you look at this
whole saga from a distance it could well turn out to be a landmark
point in australia history in years to come. it's better that the old
racist cancer is dealt with now than later, hopefully once and for
all. so we can move on to better things like a new cultural boom and
be a part of regional prosperity. it IS a time of rapid change. and
INTEGRATION. those who adapt will survive and shine. those who want to
go back to the past can follow the koresh and komeini and pauline of
the world into the pit of fire.
meanwhile stay cool...
Mark Haselden
Yizoo (y...@magna.com.au) wrote:
: tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
: >What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
: >Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
: >(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
:
: dropped tremendously in the last few days fortunately. thanks to tv
: broadcasts of the anti-pauline march, which shows white aussies from
: all walks of life mingle with asians who speak their mind. what a
: wonderful sight....
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but ;), doesn't it seem a little
strange that support for Hanson has dropped so suddenly? These
attitudes are built up over years and usually developed at birth.
I find it somewhat difficult to believe that people change their
attitudes so quickly. As we all know, by phrasing the question in
the right way, you can get any answer you like out of a poll.
Ahh well, gotta go.. the black helicopters are after me again.
Regards
(BTW, is this post on topic to ALL the groups it's in?)
--
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Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>>I also asked him if he had any logical arguments to present. I know
>>>>better than to ask that of you.
>>>You accuse me of stooping to abuse, yet here you go again bringing my character
>>>into question.
Not your character, Tim. Your intelligence.
>>>Listen Alan, when omne wishes to express their opinion there is
>>>no requirement for them to back it up with logical arguments
>>Is that why you never do so?
>>>- case in point
>>>being Pauline Hanson.
>>She's got more brains and guts and ability and intelligence than
>>you'll ever have.
>Yet another childish retort Alan?
No. The truth as I see it.
>I don't know why you bother when you can't
>handle the fact that others might disagree with your thoughts
If you ever agreed with me, it's be time to re-examine all my most
deply-held convictions.
>- discussion is
>about free exchange of thoughts and opinions. so please learn to handle it.
If you ever have an original thought, I'm sure I could handle the
situation. Admittedly, it wouldn't be easy.
Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
>>Tim (rip...@zeta.org.au) wrote:
>>: Having said that, I would then have to ask the question, how many Asian
>>: countries would accept me, a white anglo Australian, as a passport holding
>>: citizen?
>>Agreed, Tim. That's why so many of us want to come to Australia, because
>>even back in Asia we cannot escape racism. I myself come from Malaysia,
>>which has institutionalised racism. Its constitution spells out the
>>differences between the different races, and government policy states
>>that different races are to be treated differently. Members of my family
>>were injured in the 1969 racial riots in Kuala Lumpur.
>>Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
>>a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
>>racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
>>phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
>>belief in Australians being tolerant.
>>What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
>>Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
>>(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
>>Makes me wonder what kind of society I live in.
>Agreed. But more frighteningly it makes me wonder what kind of leadership we
>have in this country that Howard can let this thing get so out of control in the
>first place.
Once again the Great Tim expresses the desire to "control" or suppress
debate in a so-called free country.
Admit it, Tim. You think free speech should only be granted to people
who believe and "think" exactly as you do.
tropics
Jon, if I say that the white Australians are of criminal ancestry that
usurped the aborigines of their rightful continent, am I using the
freedom of speech that we Asians are not supposed to fathom.
Jon Hynes wrote:
>
>
> I suppose, Tim, that you are referring to the same freedom of speech
> which allowed Ms Hanson to make her comment in the first place.
> Problem is that many Asians (and Asian newspapers, if the comments in
> this newsrgoup are to be believed) do not have / have never
> experienced / don't understand "freedom of speech". They think that Ms
> Hanson should NOT be allowed to say what she is saying because, of
> course, in their own countries any statements which do not conform
> with the dictum of the ruling elite are supressed.
>
> Thank God, we don't work that way.
>
> Jon Hynes
Tung Tung Yang
tcy...@netcom.com (Tung-chiang Yang) wrote:
>Alan, when you change the subject of a thread, you are advised to remove
>irrelevant newsgroups from the thread. Posted and mailed, though I bet
>it will be bounced.
>BTW, you posted from news.ozemail.net but your address is
>"10035...@compuserve.com". Is there a reason for this? Most trollers
>uses an invalid E-mail address.
Pretty obviously Alan is a big time blunderous troller, just like
yourself. Know yourself.
Gary Dean
frankly, i have never liked fish&chips all that much.
anyone want to talk about the melaka rojak seller who racially insulted
me in 1987? nah, guess not.
--
Gary Dean, Perth, Western Australia
Web: http://www.omen.com.au/~gary/
Phone: (09) 309 9386
Mobile: 041 210 4981
Alan Peyton-Smith
tlim8 <tl...@mfs05.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>This reluctance on the part of the government to ourightly call a spade a
>spade is going to prove a very expensive exercise for Australia. Asians
>are no fools.
Compared with whom? How can you make a blanket statement like that?
Plenty of the Asians who are responding in these threads, for example,
are fools.
>There are times when it is neccessary to come clean in no
>uncertain terms by damming the untruths vehemently
But there are no untruths to damn, in anything that Pauline Hanson has
said.
Hence the difficulty that John Howard is having. He's been put in an
unenviable position.
Trevor
la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
It was an accident of politics that she got elected - she was running
as a Liberal candidate, and she got dropped by the Liberals because of
her racism late in the piece - too late to field another Liberal
candidate as her opponent. So she got all the votes that would have
gone to Liberal, which was the majority vote, because the last
election was mainly about a huge swing away from Labour who had been
governing for the last 13 years.
>No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
>World. So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
>the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
>Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
>mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
>genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
>discussion group......
Oh, and some Asians are not rasist, and some Blacks, Jews and Arabs
are not racist? There are racist elements in any culture and the
degree to which the culture is 'racist' as a whole, is the degree to
which the society permits racist expression. In some cases it is
insititutionalised, and in others 'racial equality' is
institutionalised.
This may come as a supprise to some - but it is illegal to villify
people on the basis of race (sex, sexual orientation, religion, creed
etc) in Australia. This is my impression, BTW, can someone more
knowledgeable than I confirm or deny this? We have anti-discrimination
laws and equal employment opportunity laws as well.
The reason why Pauline Hanson has managed to get away with saying the
things that she has, eg. identifying the race of ALLEGED criminal
offenders (very racist in my opinion), generalisations about certain
races bringing in disease etc., is because she has said these things
in parliment and anything said in parliment is subject to
'parlimentary privalege'. If she said something blatantly racist
outside of parliment, I think any sucker could sue the pants off her
(not a pretty thought).
So the point is that, at least on paper, Australia is not a racist
country. Recent events would not suggest this, but the long term
prognosis is very good; Australia will become more and more of a
tolerant society with each passing year, because the foundations for
this is BASED IN LAW. And Australia IS generally a tolerant society -
the latest uproar is only an uproar because it stands in contrast to
the overall, generally tolerant attitude of most Australians, and is
mainly a reaction of older generation whites to a society that is
changing very quickly around them.
If anyone wants to migrate here from anywhere, they will be well
accepted into most communities if they are strong people who know how
and when to assert their rights (without being overzealous about it).
Like anyone, Australians of all colours respond well to good
characters. If you are the types to be frightened off by the current
media sensationalism (I call her Headline Hanson) you probably would
not adjust to the Aussie sense of humour which can be very
depreciating.
I predict Hanson will not last into the season of goodwill and
Christmas cheer.
Trevor
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
>What racist comment? Did she call someone a poisonous little
>slanty-eyed gook while my attention was otherwise occupied?
You are disgusting Peyton-Smith. I hope you get everything you
deserve. I don't consider you Australian, just a redneck!
Alan Peyton-Smith
tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>Jon, if I say that the white Australians are of criminal ancestry that
>usurped the aborigines of their rightful continent, am I using the
>freedom of speech that we Asians are not supposed to fathom.
You're criticizing *Australia*, of hundred or more years ago, not your
own country, in the present day. That's too easy.
Let's have a thoughtful critique, from you, of the truly bad things
that happen and are happening *now* in your *own* home
country (Indonesia?).
Dare you do it?
<snip>
Trevor
tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
>Tim (rip...@zeta.org.au) wrote:
>: Having said that, I would then have to ask the question, how many Asian
>: countries would accept me, a white anglo Australian, as a passport holding
>: citizen?
>Agreed, Tim. That's why so many of us want to come to Australia, because
>even back in Asia we cannot escape racism. I myself come from Malaysia,
>which has institutionalised racism. Its constitution spells out the
>differences between the different races, and government policy states
>that different races are to be treated differently. Members of my family
>were injured in the 1969 racial riots in Kuala Lumpur.
>Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
>a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
>racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
>phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
>belief in Australians being tolerant.
>What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
>Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
>(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
Fair enough - it scared me too, and I had a dinner discussion with
friends about the issue, and I was very supprised by their expressed
racial intolerance (and hurt - my Asian girlfriend, and THEIR friend
as well was next to me). So then I asked them who would acutally vote
for her and no-one raised their hand. So I came to the conclusion that
most people are racist (or xenophobic) to some extent - and for the
most part this is balanced by other considerations etc, and that is
why it occurs at tolerable levels - and these considerations are more
important when it comes to voting, or making considered decisions.
>Makes me wonder what kind of society I live in.
>--
> o_o KEITH KUM-TUCK WONG, Medicine 6, University of Western Australia.
> ( - ) WWW: http://cygwww.uwa.edu.au/~tfrogon/welcome.html
>( | | ) email: tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au, tfr...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au,
>^^^^^^^ ^^^NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!^^^^
Trevor
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>>>Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
>>>>>>Perhaps we Asians should be a little bit more tolerant and understanding
>>>>>>towards this Pauline. She is afterall, only expressing her views,...
>>>>>>which of course reflect her primitive mentality. She is a real honest
>>>>>>bigot, and I suspect that it is very much due to the short evolutionary
>>>>>>span yet endowed to her kinds.
>>>>>Do you have any logical arguments to present? Why bring this racist
>>>>>crap into the discussion?
>>>>Freedom of speech Alan... or have you forgotten that you have been championing
>>>>that particular cause for quite some time now. I believe that people are
>>>>entitled to their own opinions and to share these opinions with others... or
>>>>doesn't that comply with your set of rules regarding free-speech.
>>>I asked him why he brought the racist crap into the discussion, I
>>>didn't tell him not to.
>>>I also asked him if he had any logical arguments to present. I know
>>>better than to ask that of you.
>>You accuse me of stooping to abuse, yet here you go again bringing my character
>>into question. Listen Alan, when omne wishes to express their opinion there is
>>no requirement for them to back it up with logical arguments
>Is that why you never do so?
>>- case in point
>>being Pauline Hanson.
ha ha - good point
>She's got more brains and guts and ability and intelligence than
>you'll ever have.
That's debatable, but what is evident is that she has no logical
arguements. You also are obviously arguing from the heart and not the
head.
Trevor
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>tlim8 <tl...@mfs05.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>>This reluctance on the part of the government to ourightly call a spade a
>>spade is going to prove a very expensive exercise for Australia. Asians
>>are no fools.
>Compared with whom? How can you make a blanket statement like that?
This one is PEYTONTLY obvious - COMPARED TO YOU!!!
Mind you, I do not mean to insult any Asian by comparing them to you
Andrew Fern
tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote in
article <327EC0...@server2.rad.net.id>...
> Jon, if I say that the white Australians are of
criminal ancestry that
> usurped the aborigines of their rightful
continent, am I using the
> freedom of speech that we Asians are not
supposed to fathom.
>
Criticism on the usurping others land from an
Indonesian ...now that really hurts.
What's is that old saying? Something like, ' 30%
of the population of East Timor can't throw
stones in glass houses coz they are dead'...or
something like that.
Regards
Andrew
<amf...@mugca.cc.monash.edu.au>
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' Education is a system of imposed ignorance.'
Noam
Chomsky
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Aldeenor Azlan Nordin
BEHOLD PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH!!!
It is high time for an INVASION of that continent. Australia seriously
needs a "wake up" call. A wide scale invasion is the best "wake up" call
for this lil' kangaroo. Well, it is quite a rude "wake up" call, but it
is ok. Afterall, that's what those Westerners have been doing for
centuries. Don't get me wrong people. This invasion has nothing to do
with controlling or conquering anybody. Certainly Asians don't have that
kind of disgusting value and principle in their minds. Like I said, it
is just a small harmless "wake up" call.
So people, as Covey said "first things first". We should INVADE this
continent, ANNEX it, and then we talk about RACISCM and all. It does not
have to be now, but soon.
Lil' Boy Aldeenor-
Penn State
Andrew Belger
Aldeenor Azlan Nordin wrote:
>
> BEHOLD PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH!!!
As opposed to the people on your home planet, Blaaa.
>
> It is high time for an INVASION of that continent. Australia seriously
> needs a "wake up" call.
I prefer my Casio alarm clock, cheap but startlingly effective.
> A wide scale invasion is the best "wake up" call
> for this lil' kangaroo. Well, it is quite a rude "wake up" call, but it
> is ok. Afterall, that's what those Westerners have been doing for
> centuries. Don't get me wrong people. This invasion has nothing to do
> with controlling or conquering anybody. Certainly Asians don't have that
> kind of disgusting value and principle in their minds.
Who was Genghis Khan, the first Avon Lady?
> Like I said, it
> is just a small harmless "wake up" call.
>
> So people, as Covey said "first things first". We should INVADE this
> continent, ANNEX it, and then we talk about RACISCM and all. It does not
> have to be now, but soon.
By all means, invade. If you do it over a long weekend or Easter you'll be in
Canberra before we can pull the top off another can of beer.
If you can do something with that god-awful desert in the middle of the country
you'll probably be a most welcome land lord.
See you soon, Lil Abner
Rgds
AB
Trevor
y...@magna.com.au (Yizoo) wrote:
>la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
>still doesn't take away the fact that a lot of what she said publicly
>are pure simple racist CRAP and pure simple BIGOTRY. this is beside
>all the INCORRECT QUOTES, like population figures, immigration
>statistics etc.. and it is indeed scarry to have SUCH OBVIOUS LOW LIFE
>representing the electorate in her constituency.
>PAULINE HANSON IS THE HUGEST EMBARASSMENT TO AUSTRALIA SINCE THE
>WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY.
>whatever some myopic supporters of her might argue about some of her
>microscopic "more correct" points, she is still an EMBARASSMENT. and
>face it,
>PAULINE HANSON IS COSTING AUSTRALIANS A LOT OF MONEY.
>>No wonder everybody says Australia is the most racist country in the
>>World. So are all the English-speaking, white dominated countries like
>>the UK (the worst in Europe, and they like to smear Germany black!), New
>>Zealand (on par with Australia), Canada and the US (primitive cowboy
>>mentality, ignorant and extremely racist.). Perhaps that's all in their
>>genes. Maybe we should transfer our discussions here to a biological
>>discussion group......
>why bother. they'll all echo Hitler despite all the obvious facts
>anyway. most of these neo-kkk types have been implanted with 50 year
>old micro-micro chips with daily playback of snow white, cheese
>burgers, victorian era architecture, apollo landing and THE QUEEN THE
>QUEEN!
>there are many way of cooking potatos, attention attention the white
>bigots. don't just mash them or chip them. so violent you people.
>TIME TO DIVERSIFY. try frying potato slices with chopped shallots,
>ginger, minced bbq pork and a touch of vintage rice wine and soya
>sauce. yum yum. might help undo your soul-sucking mind-fxcking
>consciousness-bleaching implants your dear old mother queen rewarded
>you for your blind loyalty.
you are weird - but funny!
>consider this for the new national anthem --
>putty cat putty cat where have you been
>i've been to london to look at the queen
>putty cat putty cat what did u do there
>I put a pound of opium into her tea
Quite funny
Alan Peyton-Smith
tre...@online.tmx.com.au (Trevor) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>>>>Tropics <ho...@server2.rad.net.id> wrote:
In what way?
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Races north of the Pyrenees... never reach maturity; they are of
great stature and of a white colour. But they lack all sharpness
of wit and penetration of intellect.
...Said of Toledo (c.1100).
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Alan Peyton-Smith
tre...@online.tmx.com.au (Trevor) wrote:
>>Tim (rip...@zeta.org.au) wrote:
Then you're a fool if you conclude that their feelings would not be
translated into votes if they had the opportunity. Why raise their
hands with your Asian friends looking on? Voting intentions are a very
private matter with many people, especially in such a situation as you
describe above.
My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
Read it.
Her comments on Immigration and on wastage within the Aboriginal
industry are a very small part of her platform indeed. The fact is
that her comments on other unrelated subjects would make a hell of a
lot of sense to most average Australians.
Hence, as soon as the self-righteous media frenzy against these
supposed "racist" comments dies down, and people have time to realize
that these other important issues are there, her support will broaden
and consolidate.
This lady is smart (or, at least, her minder is.). She's playing the
media, and the Parliament, like a violin. For weeks now, this woman
has had the Prime Minister of Australia buzzing around like a
blue-arsed fly, for godsake!
I predict that as soon as she realizes she can't get any more
publicity out of the above-mentioned self-righteous squawking from the
PC people over the immigration/Aboriginal "racism" issue, she'll
change tack completely.. No sense staying on the present course once
the law of diminishing returns starts to kick in.
This is an absolutely fascinating time for anyone who has even the
slightest interest in Australian politics.
Alan Peyton-Smith
tre...@online.tmx.com.au (Trevor) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>la...@vcn.bc.ca (THOMAS LAU) wrote:
>>>Please don't trivialise Pauline Hanson into an 'honest bigot'! She was
>>>elected by the Australian citizens in her constituency, through a
>>>democratic process that gave her the mandate to represent the electorate
>>>in her constituency. In other words, what she says represents the
>>>electorate in her constituency and that includes her racist comment.
>>What racist comment? Did she call someone a poisonous little
>>slanty-eyed gook while my attention was otherwise occupied?
>You are disgusting Peyton-Smith. I hope you get everything you
>deserve. I don't consider you Australian, just a redneck!
And just what do you think I deserve, Trev baby? Should I be forced to
eat my porridge with chopsticks, perhaps? What would be a fitting
punishment for a malefactor such as myself?
Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>Agreed. But more frighteningly it makes me wonder what kind of leadership we
>>>have in this country that Howard can let this thing get so out of control in the
>>>first place.
>>Once again the Great Tim expresses the desire to "control" or suppress
>>debate in a so-called free country.
>>Admit it, Tim. You think free speech should only be granted to people
>>who believe and "think" exactly as you do.
>Try again Alan. Nowhere above do I deny Pauline Hanson her freedom of speech.
You want to put some sort of "control" on the public debate, to stop
"this thing get[ting] ... out of control."
>I merely state that Howard should have been exercising his right to free speech
>and denounced what she was saying very early in the piece.
There was little or nothing to denounce. That's why he didn't denounce
very much of what she said.
>How does not supress
>debate Alan?
Please explain...? :-)
Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>I don't know why you bother when you can't
>>>handle the fact that others might disagree with your thoughts
>>If you ever agreed with me, it's be time to re-examine all my most
>>deply-held convictions.
>>>- discussion is
>>>about free exchange of thoughts and opinions. so please learn to handle it.
>>If you ever have an original thought, I'm sure I could handle the
>>situation. Admittedly, it wouldn't be easy.
>Well here's a thought Alan that I am sure many reading your "informed" diatribes
>would probably agree with and that you should be able to handle,
>You appear to be an opinionated, ill-informed, extreme right-wing, anti-Asian
>prick. The evidence to back this saement up is strewn all through the numerous
>Pualine Hanson related threads.
Hardly an original thought or a carefully-considered opinion backed
with logical reasoned argument, though.
More like what I've come to expect from you.
More like Monkey See, Monkey Do. You're good at that, aren't you? :-)
Jason
What about the assault on Singaporeans?
Right again, guess not......
Yizoo
mar...@lethe.uwa.edu.au (Mark Haselden) wrote:
>I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but ;), doesn't it seem a little
>strange that support for Hanson has dropped so suddenly? These
>attitudes are built up over years and usually developed at birth.
>I find it somewhat difficult to believe that people change their
>attitudes so quickly. As we all know, by phrasing the question in
>the right way, you can get any answer you like out of a poll.
me feel it's not about a miraculously speedy attitude-change. but
simply a media-induced cause & effect phenomenon. i'd like to think
that not just the current poll, but the earlier bloated polls which
supported the popular-hanson myth had been tempered with too; or could
simply be a result of sloppy journalism. and the drop can easily be
rationalised by the delayed reaction of the 'greater rest'
white-aussies. if the small number of racists didn't pretend they
represent the rest of the aus citizen, the majority wouldn't even have
bothered to come out and say anything at all, because, it would have
been a non-issue, no?
nevertheless, still think this can turn out be a positive watershed
experience for australia to NOT walk down the fragmented path of US of
A. but of course conspiracy theory is sexier...
mm...could the new world order bosses be playing their string-pulling
games again? but why stop at poll-manipulation? maybe it's a
international beef-price thing with japan and usa playing the ones who
laugh. maybe it's someone somewhere trying to impose more 1984 type
regulations via manufactured social unrest. or, maybe it's just a
unsuccessful attempt of the big white sharks at pulling the usually
effective trigger -- the outdated yellow peril strain of virus. anyway
they were forced to abort it half-way; it didn't work out as planned
because the quality of their neo-nazi agents have seriously
deteriorated in recent years thanks to too much trashy tv and cultural
incest. their pedophiliac habit doesn't help much either.
>Ahh well, gotta go.. the black helicopters are after me again.
at the meantime watch out for excessive brain-softening floride in
your drinking water and all the dumbing-down elements in all cereal,
beer and shampoo advertisments. i'm quite serious. also, too many ufos
had been sighted above highly unemployed white suburbs in Victoria and
Queensland....
>(BTW, is this post on topic to ALL the groups it's in?)
yes it is. it's on topic to ALL asian-skin-colour.
cheers.
Aldeenor Azlan Nordin
Andrew Belger wrote:
> > BEHOLD PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH!!!
>
> As opposed to the people on your home planet, Blaaa.
Planet Blaaa? Ohh..how rude art thou. It is planet Zog man.
> I prefer my Casio alarm clock, cheap but startlingly effective.
Really? It must be Made in Japan I supposed.
> > kind of disgusting value and principle in their minds.
> Who was Genghis Khan, the first Avon Lady?
Thinking about it maybe he was. But I prefer Atilla the Hun better.
I am sure both are not related to anything marsupial.
> If you can do something with that god-awful desert in the middle of the country
> you'll probably be a most welcome land lord.
>
> See you soon, Lil Abner
Sure.. my sweet Andrew Burglar.
> Rgds
>
> AB
Lil' Boy Aldeenor
Penn State
Anton v. Rosmalen
In article <55mtht$8...@phaedrus.kralizec.net.au>,
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>
>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>
>
>>>have in this country that Howard can let this thing get so out of control in the
>>>first place.
>
>>Once again the Great Tim expresses the desire to "control" or suppress
>>debate in a so-called free country.
>
>>Admit it, Tim. You think free speech should only be granted to people
>>who believe and "think" exactly as you do.
>
>Try again Alan. Nowhere above do I deny Pauline Hanson her freedom of speech.
>debate Alan?
>
>regards, Tim...
Could you please explain in your earlier statements concerning freedom of
speech in AUstralia, if you included FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION or not or does that
fall into another catagorie of freedom......
I would like to refer you to the parliamentary ban on the photos of the TIMOR
atrocities.
Australia is very sensitif on its policies towards East Timor, it is one of the few
countries in the world to publicly support indonesias role in East timor
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>I don't know why you bother when you can't
>>handle the fact that others might disagree with your thoughts
>If you ever agreed with me, it's be time to re-examine all my most
>deply-held convictions.
>>- discussion is
>>about free exchange of thoughts and opinions. so please learn to handle it.
>If you ever have an original thought, I'm sure I could handle the
>situation. Admittedly, it wouldn't be easy.
Well here's a thought Alan that I am sure many reading your "informed" diatribes
would probably agree with and that you should be able to handle,
You appear to be an opinionated, ill-informed, extreme right-wing, anti-Asian
prick. The evidence to back this saement up is strewn all through the numerous
Pualine Hanson related threads.
regards, Tim...
PS. have a nice day.
Gong Li
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
a lot of dribble posted in numerous newsgroups...
WHO CARES about your silly white trash working class gits????
Irrelevant newsgroups removed.
paul
Alan Peyton-Smith wrote:
>
> My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
> term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
> wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
> clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
It's unusual that you should bring up the "reasonably intelligent
person" because straw polls have shown that the rural, less exposed and
less educated portions of Aussie society support Hanson, whilst the
better educated don't.
> Her comments on Immigration and on wastage within the Aboriginal
> industry are a very small part of her platform indeed. The fact is
> that her comments on other unrelated subjects would make a hell of a
> lot of sense to most average Australians.
OK, true, but it only takes one bad move for her to plunge to her
political death, and unless Aussie society is made up mainly of the
rural community, then the better educated portion of Aussie society
should ensure that this death occurs.
> This lady is smart (or, at least, her minder is.). She's playing the
> media, and the Parliament, like a violin. For weeks now, this woman
> has had the Prime Minister of Australia buzzing around like a
> blue-arsed fly, for godsake!
Yes, she's intensely smart for playing the media. But at the same time,
if Aussies continue to vote for people like her, then their outlook must
be pretty damn short-sighted. For one thing, it's going to take A$25
million worth of Aussie tax payers hard earned money for the Aussie
government to launch a publicity effort to try to reverese the damage
that Hanson has almost singlehandedly wreaked. Second, much as the
rural Aussies hate to admit it, Australia is part of the Asia-Pacific.
A melding of cultures is inevitable. Thirdly, Hanson is driving away
Asian tourists and investors, both groups of which are essential to the
survival of Australia's economy, again much as the rural portions of
Aussie society hate to admit.
Paul
Tim
Mark Haselden
Yizoo (y...@magna.com.au) wrote:
: mar...@lethe.uwa.edu.au (Mark Haselden) wrote:
:
: >I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but ;), doesn't it seem a little
: >strange that support for Hanson has dropped so suddenly? These
: >attitudes are built up over years and usually developed at birth.
: >I find it somewhat difficult to believe that people change their
: >attitudes so quickly. As we all know, by phrasing the question in
: >the right way, you can get any answer you like out of a poll.
:
: me feel it's not about a miraculously speedy attitude-change. but
: simply a media-induced cause & effect phenomenon. i'd like to think
: that not just the current poll, but the earlier bloated polls which
: supported the popular-hanson myth had been tempered with too; or could
: simply be a result of sloppy journalism. and the drop can easily be
: rationalised by the delayed reaction of the 'greater rest'
: white-aussies. if the small number of racists didn't pretend they
: represent the rest of the aus citizen, the majority wouldn't even have
: bothered to come out and say anything at all, because, it would have
: been a non-issue, no?
I think that it has merely been whipped up into a storm by the media,
who saw good mileage in headlines stating that Australians are
basically racist, causing a furore and much debate. Once they
saw the damage that this was causing to Australia's image, they
changed their tack a little. Just MHO.
--
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email mar...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au | the best of all possible worlds
N.B. You MUST mail to tartarus | A pessimist fears this is true
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Barry Smith
Remember when Bronwyn Bishop was going to be the Liberal saviour and the
next Prime Minister?
When people cottoned on that there wasn't really much substance beneath the
hairdo, the media dropped her and she faded..
She's been famous for about a month and will be for another month. She
appeals to an element (particularly the less educated) which probably
exists in most if not all societies.
Kym Horsell
In article <55k40j$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>,
Alan Peyton-Smith <10035...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>tlim8 <tl...@mfs05.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>>This reluctance on the part of the government to ourightly call a spade a
>>spade is going to prove a very expensive exercise for Australia. Asians
>>are no fools.
>Compared with whom? How can you make a blanket statement like that?
Challenge: can you make a posting that isn't self-contradictory or
indicates blatant hypocisy (i.e. very subtle hypocrisy would be at
least entertaining)?
--
R. Kym Horsell
KHor...@EE.Latrobe.EDU.AU k...@CS.Binghamton.EDU
http://WWW.EE.LaTrobe.EDU.AU/~khorsell http://CS.Binghamton.EDU/~kym
Peter Mackay
In article <55nm9i$4...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>,
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
> And just what do you think I deserve, Trev baby? Should I be forced to
> eat my porridge with chopsticks, perhaps? What would be a fitting
> punishment for a malefactor such as myself?
Suggestions, anyone?
Mine involves two pit-bulls, a length of chain, three chopsticks and a
mango. Oh, and a couple of bricks.
~ m
u U Cheers!
\|
|> -Peter Mackay
/ \ pete...@netinfo.com.au
_\ /_
Tung T Yang
tcy...@netcom.com (Tung-chiang Yang) wrote:
>I post with my valid address. How about you?
I did as well, you blunderous moron.
>=============================
>Tung Tung Yang (l...@matrix.infomatch.com) wrote:
>: Pretty obviously Alan is a big time blunderous troller, just like
>: yourself. Know yourself.
>:
Richard Scott
You forgot the feather and the parsnip?
Richard Scott (rsc...@hawaii.edu)
" Steve I've gotta say Thank You,
For what you've done for me.
The nights are dark and lonely
When you're not on TV. " - Radio Birdman
Foo Chuan Herng
Just one question:
Pauline herself said that the beatings of S'porean soldiers in Australia
was made by aborigines. Is it true?
--
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*** http://home.pacific.net.sg/~gauntlet ***
Anthony Lee
In article <55p62c$m...@enyo.uwa.edu.au>, mar...@lethe.uwa.edu.au says...
>
>
>I think that it has merely been whipped up into a storm by the media,
>who saw good mileage in headlines stating that Australians are
>basically racist, causing a furore and much debate. Once they
>saw the damage that this was causing to Australia's image, they
>changed their tack a little. Just MHO.
>
Why do everyone keep saying that it was something not worth
thinking about whipped up by the media? May be it was whipped up
by the media but I am disturbed by the number of people who
say something like "oh I disagree with some of her [Pauline Hanson]
stuff but I thought her speech was good". Isn't it so easy for
a politican to speak about all the common problems we identify with?
However, has Hanson actually come up with real solutions. Did you
know that she is actually advocating conscription again? I am sure
some of you reading this would be young enough to do national service
if we still have national service. So how about it? How would you
like to do national service? In her speech, after striking the chord
over the ills of this country, she goes and start blaming the minority
for all our problems. Of course everyone will identify with the problems
of this country and unfortunately many will also join her and lay
blame on our minorities. Isn't this exactly what Hitler did in Germany?
This is the very reason why John Howard has to confront Hanson
directly.
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Quan Lin
tcy...@netcom.com (Tung-chiang Yang) wrote:
>Is "ya...@matrix.infomatch.com" valid? There are only "fyan" and "pyang"
>there.
That is not relevant. Are you trying to send mail bombs to other
people once you learn about their valid addresses?
>If you keep using Tung T Yang at informatch.com while your real name has
>nothing to do with it, don't blame me for shutting down your right of
>posting.
This is ridiculous since 'Tung' or 'Yang' are not copyrighted names.
I am sure there are millions of folks with that sort of name. You
should not interfere with other's right of using alias.
Rob Silva
Jesse Eunsuk JUN <ej...@mail.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>It looks endless..
>People keep saying their ideas...which are too much generalised...too
>much offensive..
>As time goes by, more and more stupid ideas come out...
>Racial discrimination must be an instinct of human-beings...
>The main problem is some humans lose the control of their instinct....
I'd say any community exhibits a collective form of xenophobia. When
the community's borders are national, then that xenophobia is often
expressed as racism.
This is not to say its a good thing - simply a natural thing - fear.
Now what's the best way to prove that foreigners are not a threat?
Learn more about them obviously (well this kind of assumes they aren't
actually a threat). Of course if they are really a threat, then you'd
know more about your enemy, so it wouldn't be a wasted effort either
way.
So what am I saying?
Racism = Ignorance, pure and simple.
Of course I'm using the word 'ignorance' in a matter-of-fact rather
than prejudicial sense here.
Unfortunately, much of the 'debate' here doesn't contribute much to a
learning-about-other-cultures objective, except perhaps to prove that
a duo-masturbatory tendency is no respecter of race !
PH started all this debate by taking the rather bold and brave step of
displaying her ignorance for all to see. Seemingly she now wears her
ignorance as a badge of courage. She has inspired many others (on both
sides of the camp) to do the same.
Can I suggest that the sooner we all ignore the blatherings of those
who refuse to learn, the sooner they will go away?
James Nguyen
On 05-Nov-96 20:09:51, Alan Peyton-Smith (10035...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
>term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
>wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
>clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
>Read it.
I'll bet her support will fall down to a trickle until she's just a lonely,
tedious and irritable nuisance. Mostly because people have come to their
economic senses if not intellectual and moral. Sydney 2000 and somewhat a
little from Melbourne's bid for the Commonwealth will also see her support
dwindle as Aussies everywhere put on the image. There will be a concerted
effort by everyone to ignore her.
-
j.n. http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/
Alan Peyton-Smith
paul <law5...@leonis.nus.sg> wrote:
>Alan Peyton-Smith wrote:
>>
>> My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
>> term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
>> wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
>> clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
>It's unusual that you should bring up the "reasonably intelligent
>person" because straw polls have shown that the rural, less exposed and
>less educated portions of Aussie society support Hanson, whilst the
>better educated don't.
Thing is, though, that neither the educated *nor* the less educated
masses are going on what's really in Hanson's speech. Us Internet
people are almost the only ones, other than Parliamentarians, who have
actually seen the whole thing.
>
>> Her comments on Immigration and on wastage within the Aboriginal
>> industry are a very small part of her platform indeed. The fact is
>> that her comments on other unrelated subjects would make a hell of a
>> lot of sense to most average Australians.
>OK, true, but it only takes one bad move for her to plunge to her
>political death,
She's been awful close, for example, the Yellow Races comment, she's
sailing very close to the wind.. But doing it on purpose, IMO.
My god, who else, other than say Neil Armstrong, could get to be known
by so many Australians in such a short time? (OK, besides Martin
Bryant..) :-(
>and unless Aussie society is made up mainly of the
>rural community, then the better educated portion of Aussie society
>should ensure that this death occurs.
(Yeah, some are talking about her real death, not political
death..)(Let's have a brief look at that speech again...)
Trouble is, the "the better educated portion of Aussie society" are
just *sitting* there while the smooth talkers from Asia rip us off,
while the Government's idiotic economic policies re tariffs etc make
our industries uncompetitive and send them bankrupt, while youth
unemployment (and youth suicide, near worst in the world) is getting
worse, while our burgeoning national debt, the worst per capita in the
world, strangles us, while our standard of living drops, while the
Family Law Court ruins thousands of lives, while our "big industries
and icons" are being sold off left, right, and centre, including
Telstra (WHAT FUCKING MADNESS, WHY SELL TELSTRA???), while foreign aid
is going to murderers like Suharto, whilst interest rates are
un-competitively high, while our defence forces are being allowed to
run down when everyone else in the region is having an arms race....
All of the above, it's all there** in her speech. You know it, I know
it, but all we hear in the left-stream media is about how we have
insulted the fucking whining Asians.
What are you *edumacated* people (the ones in Australia, that is)
doing, apart from growing hair? Mike Lucke's guess is as good as
anybody's, I spoze... You're all writing political correctness
handbooks, that's what, while Rome burns. No-one is discussing the
issues that are *really* relevant to our continued wellbeing.
You might look down your nose on us "uneducated" peasants, but heigh
ho, we got votes too! :-) And unless you Superior Educated People
start talking about running this beudy little place the way it SHOULD
be run, the peasants are going to reach for the pitchforks. Gonna
stake your educated hide to a sugar-ants nest, yes! :-) Feed your
spleen to a passing goanna. Crush your spectacles under the heels of
our cowboy boots.
>> This lady is smart (or, at least, her minder is.). She's playing the
>> media, and the Parliament, like a violin. For weeks now, this woman
>> has had the Prime Minister of Australia buzzing around like a
>> blue-arsed fly, for godsake!
>Yes, she's intensely smart for playing the media.
I agree, seems so very few realize just how brilliant she is.
>But at the same time,
>if Aussies continue to vote for people like her, then their outlook must
>be pretty damn short-sighted.
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Alan Peyton-Smith
"Foo Chuan Herng" <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>Just one question:
>Pauline herself said that the beatings of S'porean soldiers in Australia
>was made by aborigines. Is it true?
Judging from the waffly answer that Howard gave, I'd say so, yes..
But really, he made a point, the "race" of the attackers is not all
that important.
And, I'd like to add, neither is the "race" of the victims.
No more important than the brand name of beer that they all probably
drank too much of, I'd say.
Howard shoulda said that, too, but noooooooo...
Alan Peyton-Smith
rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>"Foo Chuan Herng" <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>>>Just one question:
>>>Pauline herself said that the beatings of S'porean soldiers in Australia
>>>was made by aborigines. Is it true?
>>Judging from the waffly answer that Howard gave, I'd say so, yes..
>Accxording to the police attending the case, aboriginals had nothing to do with
>it.
>It seems that this was just another of Pauline Hanson's fantastical
>statements.
There were at least two cases, I believe. One case involved a white
person who has been located by the police, (as if the race of the
person matters) the other incident involved several Aborigines (as if
that matters) who have not yet been tracked down.
>>But really, he made a point, the "race" of the attackers is not all
>>that important.
>>And, I'd like to add, neither is the "race" of the victims.
>>No more important than the brand name of beer that they all probably
>>drank too much of, I'd say. ===
^
^
>Good old Alan, you hold our aboriginals in such high esteem don't you.
The "all" in the above includes the visiting soldiers too. Why do you
assume the Singaporeans were sober, why do you assume the Singaporeans
didn't start the fracas, why do you assume the barney was racially
motivated? These details are not known yet.
Alan Peyton-Smith
ngu...@netspace.net.au (James Nguyen) wrote:
>On 05-Nov-96 20:09:51, Alan Peyton-Smith (10035...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>>My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
>>term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
>>wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
>>clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
>>Read it.
>I'll bet her support will fall down to a trickle until she's just a lonely,
>tedious and irritable nuisance. Mostly because people have come to their
>economic senses if not intellectual and moral. Sydney 2000 and somewhat a
>little from Melbourne's bid for the Commonwealth will also see her support
>dwindle as Aussies everywhere put on the image.
>There will be a concerted
>effort by everyone to ignore her.
There already is, and it ain't going to work.
Foo Chuan Herng
I just want to say again Hanson has all her freedom to say whatever rubbish
she wants. But didn't Howard also have the freedom of speech to attack her?
Then why is Howard attacking the Thai paper which says Australia is a
racist country? Shouldn't the Thais also have rights too? Just another case
of white man's "Internation Standards".
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>>>Agreed. But more frighteningly it makes me wonder what kind of leadership we
>>>>have in this country that Howard can let this thing get so out of control in the
>>>>first place.
>>>Once again the Great Tim expresses the desire to "control" or suppress
>>>debate in a so-called free country.
>>>Admit it, Tim. You think free speech should only be granted to people
>>>who believe and "think" exactly as you do.
>>Try again Alan. Nowhere above do I deny Pauline Hanson her freedom of speech.
>You want to put some sort of "control" on the public debate, to stop
>"this thing get[ting] ... out of control."
Pedant!!
>>I merely state that Howard should have been exercising his right to free speech
>>and denounced what she was saying very early in the piece.
>There was little or nothing to denounce. That's why he didn't denounce
>very much of what she said.
It seems that many of his own party would disagree on that point - so in the
interests of party unity if for no other reason...
>>How does not supress
>>debate Alan?
>Please explain...? :-)
Typo - "how does THAT supress..."
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>"Foo Chuan Herng" <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>>Just one question:
>>Pauline herself said that the beatings of S'porean soldiers in Australia
>>was made by aborigines. Is it true?
>Judging from the waffly answer that Howard gave, I'd say so, yes..
Accxording to the police attending the case, aboriginals had nothing to do with
it. It seems that this was just another of Pauline Hanson's fantastical
statements.
>But really, he made a point, the "race" of the attackers is not all
>that important.
>And, I'd like to add, neither is the "race" of the victims.
>No more important than the brand name of beer that they all probably
>drank too much of, I'd say.
Good old Alan, you hold our aboriginals in such high esteem don't you.
regards, Tim...
Peter Mackay
In article <920.6885T...@netspace.net.au>,
ngu...@netspace.net.au (James Nguyen) wrote:
> I'll bet her support will fall down to a trickle until she's just a lonely,
> tedious and irritable nuisance. Mostly because people have come to their
> economic senses if not intellectual and moral. Sydney 2000 and somewhat a
> little from Melbourne's bid for the Commonwealth will also see her support
> dwindle as Aussies everywhere put on the image. There will be a concerted
> effort by everyone to ignore her.
Probably hold mass meetings to ignore her and go on membership drives and
everything once the interest levels fall. Fund raising drives "Help
Support Ignorents Australia! Buy a lamington! Get yer dim sims here! Help
Ignore Hanson!"
Peter Mackay
In article <55s2he$k...@curlew.mtx.net.au>,
rsi...@dove.net.au (Rob Silva) wrote:
> Can I suggest that the sooner we all ignore the blatherings of those
> who refuse to learn, the sooner they will go away?
This doesn't include Pauline -- she's learning very quickly.
Peter Mackay
In article <55t2h2$g...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>,
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
> There were at least two cases, I believe. One case involved a white
> person who has been located by the police, (as if the race of the
> person matters) the other incident involved several Aborigines (as if
> that matters) who have not yet been tracked down.
They faded, unsmiling, into the night.
Raymot
In article <55t2h2$g...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>,
10035...@compuserve.com says...
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> Races north of the Pyrenees... never reach maturity; they are of
> great stature and of a white colour. But they lack all sharpness
> of wit and penetration of intellect.
> ...Said of Toledo (c.1100).
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Forgive me if I'm missing something, but this has got me curious.
Isn't Toledo south of the Pyrenees?
How could this have been said of Toledo?
Puzzled,
Raymot
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Alan Luchetti
"Foo Chuan Herng" <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>I just want to say again Hanson has all her freedom to say whatever rubbish
>she wants. But didn't Howard also have the freedom of speech to attack her?
>Then why is Howard attacking the Thai paper which says Australia is a
>racist country? Shouldn't the Thais also have rights too? Just another case
>of white man's "Internation Standards".
Howard was criticised for precisely that in the Sydney press.
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alan
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Peter Mackay
In article <01bbcc37$788d14c0$1d4d...@Pentium90.ntu.ac.sg>,
"Foo Chuan Herng" <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
> Just one question:
> Pauline herself said that the beatings of S'porean soldiers in Australia
> was made by aborigines. Is it true?
Does it matter if it is? Is it better to be beaten up by black people?
Worse?
She was rebutting the implication that she was to blame, and her ploy
worked well.
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>rip...@zeta.org.au (Tim) wrote:
>>Well here's a thought Alan that I am sure many reading your "informed" diatribes
>>would probably agree with and that you should be able to handle,
>>You appear to be an opinionated, ill-informed, extreme right-wing, anti-Asian
>>prick. The evidence to back this saement up is strewn all through the numerous
>>Pualine Hanson related threads.
>Hardly an original thought or a carefully-considered opinion backed
>with logical reasoned argument, though.
>More like what I've come to expect from you.
>More like Monkey See, Monkey Do. You're good at that, aren't you? :-)
I just like to make it easy for you Alan since all of your thoughts and opinions
seem to come from the television and the press. Just think of it as a public
service Alan.
regards, Tim...
Alan Peyton-Smith
d...@networx.net.au ( Dan) wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:10:40 GMT, 10035...@compuserve.com (Alan
>Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>ngu...@netspace.net.au (James Nguyen) wrote:
>>
>>>On 05-Nov-96 20:09:51, Alan Peyton-Smith (10035...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>>
>>>>My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
>>>>term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
>>>>wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
>>>>clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
>>
>>>>Read it.
>>
>>>I'll bet her support will fall down to a trickle until she's just a lonely,
>>>tedious and irritable nuisance. Mostly because people have come to their
>>>economic senses if not intellectual and moral. Sydney 2000 and somewhat a
>>>little from Melbourne's bid for the Commonwealth will also see her support
>>>dwindle as Aussies everywhere put on the image.
>>
>>>There will be a concerted
>>>effort by everyone to ignore her.
>>
>>There already is, and it ain't going to work.
>>
>From what I can see, people are now discussing the content and
>implications of her speech rather than the woman herself. The debate
>will now continue without her being a neccessary part of it.
I hope you're correct. That would be preferable to some sort of
personality cult thing.
Denis Wright
Raymot <rmot...@powerup.com.au> wrote:
> Forgive me if I'm missing something, but this has got me curious.
> Isn't Toledo south of the Pyrenees?
> How could this have been said of Toledo?
>
> Puzzled,
> Raymot
Mr. Said (or Sayeed if you like) comes from Toledo. Good Islamic name.
Therefore, Said, of Toledo, as in Pauline, of Ipswich. Make more sense
now? (Or were you pulling our legs?)
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Raymot
In article <AEA89683...@betty-p01.netinfo.com.au>,
pete...@netinfo.com.au says...
I can't see that it's relevant. Is there an implication that
aborigines are immune from incitement to hate Asians?
Raymot
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Mal
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>
> tlim8 <tl...@mfs05.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>
> >This reluctance on the part of the government to ourightly call a spade a
> >spade is going to prove a very expensive exercise for Australia. Asians
> >are no fools.
>
> Compared with whom? How can you make a blanket statement like that?
>
> Plenty of the Asians who are responding in these threads, for example,
> are fools.
Plenty of people with hyphenated names for example are fools.
>
> >There are times when it is neccessary to come clean in no
> >uncertain terms by damming the untruths vehemently
>
> But there are no untruths to damn, in anything that Pauline Hanson has
> said.
>
The problem is not so much Hansen, but the fact that she has
associations with Campbell and Pasquarelli, who in turn have
unquestionable associations with racist/don't like any except
anglo-saxons groups such as League of Rights.
She'd do much better if she distanced herself from them.
Peter Mackay
In article <1996110900...@remote-013.une.edu.au>,
dwr...@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright) wrote:
> Raymot <rmot...@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Forgive me if I'm missing something, but this has got me curious.
> > Isn't Toledo south of the Pyrenees?
> > How could this have been said of Toledo?
> >
> > Puzzled,
> > Raymot
>
> Mr. Said (or Sayeed if you like) comes from Toledo. Good Islamic name.
> Therefore, Said, of Toledo, as in Pauline, of Ipswich. Make more sense
> now? (Or were you pulling our legs?)
Thank you Denis, I must admit I was puzzled about this one too. I was
going to make some smart-arse crack about Toledo being in Ohio, but on
checking, that is also south of the Pyrenees.
Yizoo
mar...@lethe.uwa.edu.au (Mark Haselden) wrote:
>I think that it has merely been whipped up into a storm by the media,
>who saw good mileage in headlines stating that Australians are
>basically racist, causing a furore and much debate. Once they
>saw the damage that this was causing to Australia's image, they
>changed their tack a little. Just MHO.
plausible. the local media is seriously running out of sensational
ingredients to rave about. resorting to cheap nudity, jaded brit
royalty gossips and more american wet dreams obviously didn't help
much. i switch off everytime i see more violent, testosterone-filled,
look-i-have-a-big-dick football/rugby/automobile commercials, or more
mushy sentimental neo-victorian prince and princesses, perceiving the
NWO's mind-programming conspiracy to make the couch potato aussies
remain in their prisoners-of-the-queen past... :*>
thank god the internet exists... even if few months back, there was
some silly attempt to regulate the domestic internet, led by some
moral 'authorities' with nothing to gain from australia's internet
explosion.
it is ironic isn't it? a country such as Australia with loose
censorship on sex and violence on tv and general media had the
intention to censor the net in the name of decency, while mahathir of
a usually-uptight muslim state had just declared 'free internet'?
think it's high time the aus media adopt a full-fledge international
attitude beyond just 'multicutural' SBC. by that I mean, more REGIONAL
content please... there's a whole lot more fascinating, content and
aesthetic-rich world culture happening around and above this
continent, yet the lazy media butts prefer to be stuck with their
white and corrupted police-state propagandas -- like 'medivac', and
what's the other 'you-need-us the-police' series? stuff like this
breed fear and a need for 'protection' and 'defence', effective in
perpectuating the myth of constant external threat, thus encourages
xenophobia as well as parental[governmental] dependence.
besides, cultural incests, black yellow or white, often give birth to
the misinformed and deformed hansons of the world .
time to upgrade and integrate.
just M not-too HO.
cheers.
Quan Lin
y...@magna.com.au (Yizoo) wrote:
>mar...@lethe.uwa.edu.au (Mark Haselden) wrote:
>just M not-too HO.
>cheers.
We should stop talking about Aussieland, a place so stinky no one is
interested in it anyway.
Mark Haselden
Yizoo (y...@magna.com.au) wrote:
: mar...@lethe.uwa.edu.au (Mark Haselden) wrote:
:
: >I think that it has merely been whipped up into a storm by the media,
: >who saw good mileage in headlines stating that Australians are
: >basically racist, causing a furore and much debate. Once they
: >saw the damage that this was causing to Australia's image, they
: >changed their tack a little. Just MHO.
: it is ironic isn't it? a country such as Australia with loose
: censorship on sex and violence on tv and general media had the
: intention to censor the net in the name of decency, while mahathir of
: a usually-uptight muslim state had just declared 'free internet'?
Yeah, with Cheryl "Let's ban everything that could possibly offend
my grandmother" Edwardes on the tiller in W.A. it is a sad sad
scene for freedom of speech. Freedom of expression in Australia
only extends to political expression, and it is an implied
right, not an specifically enumerated one (Australian Capital
Televison Pty. Ltd and others and the state of New South Wales
v. The Commonwealth of Australia and Another (1992) 177 CLR 106
F.C. 92/033)
: think it's high time the aus media adopt a full-fledge international
: attitude beyond just 'multicutural' SBC. by that I mean, more REGIONAL
: content please... there's a whole lot more fascinating, content and
: aesthetic-rich world culture happening around and above this
: continent, yet the lazy media butts prefer to be stuck with their
: white and corrupted police-state propagandas -- like 'medivac', and
: what's the other 'you-need-us the-police' series? stuff like this
: breed fear and a need for 'protection' and 'defence', effective in
: perpectuating the myth of constant external threat, thus encourages
: xenophobia as well as parental[governmental] dependence.
It sells well. The media adopt what they think will sell people to
their customers, the advertisers. If they believe that lots of people
want to watch brain softening pap like Medivac, they'll show it.
Remember that SBS rates last, by a long way despite offering what
is by far the best variety in cultural programming. You'll also
find that cheap "brain bubble-gum" sells well around the world.
Maybe it's that people can't appreciate anything with a little
subtlety, or maybe they don't want to. Maybe they've learned
to accept mediocrity while excellence abounds.
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Matt McLeod
On 7 Nov 1996 22:11:06 GMT, Foo Chuan Herng <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>I just want to say again Hanson has all her freedom to say whatever rubbish
>she wants. But didn't Howard also have the freedom of speech to attack her?
>Then why is Howard attacking the Thai paper which says Australia is a
>racist country? Shouldn't the Thais also have rights too? Just another case
>of white man's "Internation Standards".
Not so. It's a case of the _John Howard School of Free Speech_ in action.
So far, it would seem that this limits free speech to those individuals who:
a) John Howard agrees with
b) John Howard would be electorally damaged by denying them free speech.
It is uncertain which category Pauline Hanson falls into. Probably both.
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Alan Peyton-Smith
pete...@netinfo.com.au (Peter Mackay) wrote:
Well I'm glad we got that one sorted out to everyone's satisfaction.
"Facts are stupid things."
-Ronald Reagan.
Alan Peyton-Smith
Mal <mma...@intec.com.au> wrote:
>10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>>
>> tlim8 <tl...@mfs05.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> >This reluctance on the part of the government to ourightly call a spade a
>> >spade is going to prove a very expensive exercise for Australia. Asians
>> >are no fools.
>>
>> Compared with whom? How can you make a blanket statement like that?
>>
>> Plenty of the Asians who are responding in these threads, for example,
>> are fools.
>Plenty of people with hyphenated names for example are fools.
Silly person.
>>
>> >There are times when it is neccessary to come clean in no
>> >uncertain terms by damming the untruths vehemently
>>
>> But there are no untruths to damn, in anything that Pauline Hanson has
>> said.
>>
>The problem is not so much Hansen,
Oh.
>but the fact that she has
>associations with Campbell and Pasquarelli, who in turn have
>unquestionable associations with racist/don't like any except
>anglo-saxons groups such as League of Rights.
Where did you get this info about Campbell and Pasquarelli?
>She'd do much better if she distanced herself from them.
Better than what?
Matthew
Roll of the drum etc,etc,etc
...
Denis Wright
Alan Peyton-Smith <10035...@compuserve.com> wrote:
Gives one that warm, fuzzy feeling that eight years' work on a Ph D in
Islamic history were not entirely wasted!
Denis.
Tim
10035...@compuserve.com (Alan Peyton-Smith) wrote:
>Mal <mma...@intec.com.au> wrote:
>>The problem is not so much Hansen,
>Oh.
>>but the fact that she has
>>associations with Campbell and Pasquarelli, who in turn have
>>unquestionable associations with racist/don't like any except
>>anglo-saxons groups such as League of Rights.
>Where did you get this info about Campbell and Pasquarelli?
I thought you read the press Alan. Did you not see an article entitled "The
Hidden Hanson" with an associated entitled "Her Man in the Shadows"?
The latter article discusses her association with John Pasquarelli, a "former
croc shooter and right-wing identity" who has associations with the extreme
right organisation, the League of Rights. According to the report, the head of
the Australian Civil Liberties Union, John Bennett, had a strong influence on
him - Bennett has been described as the leader of the Holocaust denial movement
in Australia. He (Pasquarelli) is also supposed to have had a fervent hatred
of the "blacks" stemming from time he spent in New Guinea.
You really should read these articles Alan (they are in the Sydney Morning
Herald - Saturday 9th page 41 of News Review). They are an insight into the
Pauline Hanson we don't here much about.
The supposedy caring mother who in fact left her son Mark to be left with his
paternal grand-mother to be raised from his early teens and has no contact with
her second son Steven.
The humble fish and chip shop owner who is in fact worth approximately $700,000
in asset holdings acquired through two divorces.
The advocate of free speech who is suing her ex-husband Mark Hanson over
comments he made to the Courier Mail in September.
>>She'd do much better if she distanced herself from them.
>Better than what?
Yes Alan, I imagine you to be quite a fan of both of those "gentlemen". Speaks
volumes for where you are coming from.
regards, Tim...
Jason
Well, your apparent adolation of Pauline is reaping some results, when
will you people stop?
Until Australia is being boycotted, so you whimpy can turn to pommies
again?
Until somebody pay for your idiotic racist hollering with their blood?
Will that clear your conscion? Guess not.......You sound ...ugh........
hitler/ like, remember...they and their likes will eventually be wiped off
from the surface of the earth....tsk....tsk....that wil be nice.
Alan Peyton-Smith
tre...@online.tmx.com.au (Trevor) wrote:
>tfr...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au (Keith Kum-Tuck Wong) wrote:
>>Tim (rip...@zeta.org.au) wrote:
>>: Having said that, I would then have to ask the question, how many Asian
>>: countries would accept me, a white anglo Australian, as a passport holding
>>: citizen?
>>Agreed, Tim. That's why so many of us want to come to Australia, because
>>even back in Asia we cannot escape racism. I myself come from Malaysia,
>>which has institutionalised racism. Its constitution spells out the
>>differences between the different races, and government policy states
>>that different races are to be treated differently. Members of my family
>>were injured in the 1969 racial riots in Kuala Lumpur.
>>Since coming to Australia 7 years ago, I have found that Australians are
>>a very tolerant bunch. On several occasions I have been a victim of
>>racist slurs and harassment (the most common being anonymous and abusive
>>phone calls in the middle of the night), but this has not altered my
>>belief in Australians being tolerant.
>>What HAS shaken me however, is the fact that a large proportion of
>>Australians actually support Hanson's views on limiting Asian migration
>>(35% if you read Saturday's _West Australian_).
>Fair enough - it scared me too, and I had a dinner discussion with
>friends about the issue, and I was very supprised by their expressed
>racial intolerance (and hurt - my Asian girlfriend, and THEIR friend
>as well was next to me). So then I asked them who would acutally vote
>for her and no-one raised their hand. So I came to the conclusion that
>most people are racist (or xenophobic) to some extent - and for the
>most part this is balanced by other considerations etc, and that is
>why it occurs at tolerable levels - and these considerations are more
>important when it comes to voting, or making considered decisions.
Then you're a fool if you conclude that their feelings would not be
translated into votes if they had the opportunity. Why raise their
hands with your Asian friends looking on? Voting intentions are a very
private matter with many people, especially in such a situation as you
describe above.
My prediction is that Hanson's support will *increase* over the long
term, not decrease. Why? Because she is no single-issue one-week
wonder. Just one read through of her maiden speech should make that
clear to any reasonably intelligent person.
Read it.
Her comments on Immigration and on wastage within the Aboriginal
industry are a very small part of her platform indeed. The fact is
that her comments on other unrelated subjects would make a hell of a
lot of sense to most average Australians.
Hence, as soon as the self-righteous media frenzy against these
supposed "racist" comments dies down, and people have time to realize
that these other important issues are there, her support will broaden
and consolidate.
This lady is smart (or, at least, her minder is.). She's playing the
media, and the Parliament, like a violin. For weeks now, this woman
has had the Prime Minister of Australia buzzing around like a
blue-arsed fly, for godsake!
I predict that as soon as she realizes she can't get any more
publicity out of the above-mentioned self-righteous squawking from the
PC people over the immigration/Aboriginal "racism" issue, she'll
change tack completely.. No sense staying on the present course once
the law of diminishing returns starts to kick in.
This is an absolutely fascinating time for anyone who has even the
slightest interest in Australian politics.
Foo Chuan Herng
Howard was "forced" to criticize her only after lots of protests and lots
of controversy.
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