MUSLIM RAPISTS IN AUSTRALIA
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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Muslim rapists in Australia
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8745395%255E421,00.html
Violence erupts as rapists face court
By Lorna Knowles
February 21, 2004
THERE were wild scenes outside the
NSW Supreme Court yesterday when the
boyfriend of a gang rape victim
screamed threats and abuse at the
family of the perpetrators.
Sheriffs dragged the man away from
the father and two brothers of four
men facing sentence for raping two
schoolgirls at Ashfield in July 2002.
"I'm going to put your brothers on
protection," the man screamed at the
family outside the court at
Darlinghurst.
One brother shouted back their
address, inviting the man to "come
and visit us anytime".
The man charged at the pair,
shouting: "I'll come to your house
and I'll rape your mother. I'll put
you in hospital now, you f...ing
dog."
The rapists' distraught father
shouted: "This is illegal. This is
illegal. This is the Supreme Court of
Australia."
Earlier, the boyfriend was ejected
from the court after he screamed
abuse at the five men convicted of
raping LS and her friend HG at
knifepoint.
"You dogs. Come here, dogs. I'll be
there, don't worry," he cried from
the gallery.
One of the rapists smirked and called
back: "Relax man. Respect the judge.
Respect the court, brother."
Justice Brian Sully warned the public
to behave or he would throw everyone
out.
"American television is not a good
guide to the administration of
justice in NSW," Justice Sully said.
The five men - RS and brothers MAK,
MSK, MRK and MMK - face a maximum
sentence of life after a jury found
each guilty of nine counts of
aggravated sexual assault.
The girls, aged 16 and 17, were raped
repeatedly and threatened with knives
and gold bullets. One was told the
other had been killed because she had
resisted her attackers.
Psychologist Gerard Webster told the
court MRK, 19, who came from Pakistan
four years ago, had suffered severe
trauma in his life.
"He suffered violence at the hands of
his brothers and ... the violence in
the community in Pakistan was
extreme," Mr Webster said.
The hearings continue.
The Daily Telegraph
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Nicolas Benicoeur
I would hazard a guess that 95% of all rapists in Australia are a) White b)
Christian.
CD
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gangs of white boys who specifically when out and raped Muslim woman, as did
these gangs of Muslim men who targeted western woman.
Hunter1
You'd be wrong.
Can't find an Australian-wide case but at
http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/bocsar1.nsf/files/bb17.pdf/$file/bb17.pdf
you'll find that in NSW for instance in 2000, of 3935 sexual
assaults in the state, 3704 were committed against
Aboriginals, and of those 3704 a total of 2872 or so were
committed by Aboriginals.
Just from looking at NSW alone we then find that in 2000 AT
LEAST 72% of rapes in NSW were committed by Aboriginals
(despite the tiny part of the population they make up they
STILL dwarfed the rest of the state into insignificance with
these figures).
Perhaps you should substitute White with Aboriginal in your
initial statement if you want to be accurate.
Hunter1
Ooops, appear to have misread the tables, after re-reading
it about the most you could say from those figures is that
the vast majority of rapes against Aboriginals are committed
by Aboriginals, and that aint exactly surprising, so ignore
what I've said above. Might take a look around and see if I
can find an 'ethnic' breakdown of rape, but not expecting it
to be easy with the politically correct so keen on hiding
such figures!
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh
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Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh
do that!
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Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh
be raped.
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Hunter1
> Sure !!!! Just like deaths in custody never happens because whites would not
> do that!
What??? Just like murdering Dalit's in the streets never
happens because Indians would not do that huh??? 8]
Oh shit, how the rebound can hurt huh? (Hint, the Dalit's
don't commit suicide, biggggg difference). 8]
allah
The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many
Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). Two
examples are:
"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."
"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is
being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay
sexual intercourse)
There is at least one mention of lesbian behavior mentioned in the Hadith:
"Sihaq (lesbian sexual activity) of women is zina (illegitimate
sexual intercourse) among them."
Traditionalist orthodox Muslims generally claim that the Hadith
literature contains the authentic sayings of Muhammad. Many liberal
Muslims doubt the authenticity of at least some of them. The latter
might point out that during the times of the first Caliphs, Muslims did
not know what to do with individuals guilty of "liwat/lutiyya". No
sahabi (companion) of Muhammad could quote a saying or decision of
Muhammad relating to this question.
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh wrote:
> Replied read it again you dumb bimbo?
>
allah
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh wrote:
> The Hadith and homosexuality:
The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many
Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). Two
examples are:
"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."
"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is
being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay
sexual intercourse)
There is at least one mention of lesbian behavior mentioned in the Hadith:
"Sihaq (lesbian sexual activity) of women is zina (illegitimate
sexual intercourse) among them."
Traditionalist orthodox Muslims generally claim that the Hadith
literature contains the authentic sayings of Muhammad. Many liberal
Muslims doubt the authenticity of at least some of them. The latter
might point out that during the times of the first Caliphs, Muslims did
not know what to do with individuals guilty of "liwat/lutiyya". No
sahabi (companion) of Muhammad could quote a saying or decision of
Muhammad relating to this question.
>
>
and have you read todays news from Morocco. an other earthquake, 300
dead , so stop buggering or it will be the end of you lot
greetings from your welfare officer .
allah
own sisters , to keep the population grwing and live on the charity of
Kaffir christians,
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh wrote:
allah
blessings.
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh wrote:
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh
and then withdrawing them. Now Cunter tries to twist things around ... we
know what is happening in India and we know we have things in our society
that are just no acceptable. BUT we do not go around pretending that we have
nothing wrong ... unlike bastards (oppppsss that maybe a compliment to you!)
like you who try to swipe things under the carpet.
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Hunter1
> Where is that Cunter ....?
Your mother?? She's probly out the back with the family dog
making you a new brother....
But in response to the subject at hand I say hang the
fucking arseholes, they are to Muslims what you are to
Hindus, scum and a shame to their entire religion, just as
you are to yours.
Now climb back into your tree.
Hunter1
> Here we have cunter
Leave your mother out of this, I thought this was supposed
to be a civilised debate, but I'm more than happy to spit
crap out at your treemonkey level if I have to.
> who presented "facts" about Aboriginals being rapists
> and then withdrawing them.
No, no, no, not withdrawn at all. Look at the community in
Perth run by Bropho for instance, it was shut down partly
due to endemic rape and molestation, it just turned out the
figures I found didn't say quite what I thought, but at the
same time showed that the vast majority of rapes of
Aboriginals were done by Aboriginals. Thanks for asking me
to point that FACT out though. 8]
> Now Cunter tries to twist things around ...
Like I said, leave your mother out of this.
> we
> know what is happening in India and we know we have things in our society
> that are just no acceptable.
So do we, and we're fixing ours, but what happens in our
society doesn't even hold a candle to the crap happening in
yours.
> BUT we do not go around pretending that we have
> nothing wrong ...
Liar.
> unlike bastards (oppppsss that maybe a compliment to you!)
Now you're calling me your father, I think you're very confused.
> like you who try to swipe things under the carpet.
Nothing goes under the carpet here, no dead Dalits under my
rugs.
Jez
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>
> Muslim rapists in Australia
>
> http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8745395%255E421,00.html
http://207.44.245.159/article5734.htm
Australia's Enduring Shame
by John Pilger
02/19/04: (New Statesman) Once again, the neat, placid surface of white
Australia is disturbed by those who owned and cared for this country and
remain its internal exiles. On 15 February, a crowd of Aboriginal youths set
fire to a railway station and fought riot police in a run-down area known as
The Block, in the Redfern district of Sydney. It is the last redoubt of
Australia's original inhabitants in the centre of a city built on land from
which their forebears were first evicted 216 years ago.
On a hot Saturday morning, 17-year-old Thomas "TJ" Hickey was impaled on a
metal picket fence in circumstances which the police, politicians and
journalists say are "in dispute". There is no dispute in The Block. TJ was
being chased by police, or at the very least riding his bike as fast as he
could to get away from a provocatively cruising police car.
There is no dispute, because every Aboriginal youth in The Block, and in
every city and town in Australia, can expect to be harassed incessantly by
police; the vast majority are arrested for petty offences and end up in
custody. In the Northern Territory, 89 per cent of an average day's prison
arrivals are Aborigines, who comprise 2 per cent of the Australian
population. Once inside, many die by their own hand, and some are beaten to
death. Think of Stephen Lawrence many times over and you get the picture.
White Australians know this. They know, or they ought to know, that the life
expectancy of Aboriginal people is one of the lowest in the world, and that
their health is the worst in the world. An entirely preventable disease,
trachoma, which has been beaten in many third world countries, still blinds
black Australians because of untreated cataracts and appalling living
conditions. Epidemics of rheumatic fever and gastroenteritis ravage black
communities as they did the slums of 19th-century England.
The cause? Poverty and dispossession. In a society obsessed with property
values, 90 per cent of overcrowded households are Aboriginal. A few years
ago, Dr Richard Murray, of the Kimberley Aboriginal Medical Services
Council, told me: "What it comes down to is a lack of political will to
allocate resources. The federal government spends about 25 per cent less per
capita on the health of Aboriginal people compared with the rest of the
population. Look at the phenomenon of suicide, which comes from a lack of
opportunity and hope for the future. It is the young men who bear the brunt.
In a typical community where there are, say, 50 men up to the age of 25, one
or two will kill themselves, two or three will try and another dozen will
give it some serious thought. They come from families that have to live with
constant grief. It is a heart-wrenching truth that the outside world knows
little about."
Gail Hickey, the grieving mother of TJ, says police were "after him" in
their home town of Walgett, New South Wales. Soon after the family arrived
in Sydney, he was beaten up by police, according to his aunt. "They claimed
it was mistaken identity," she said. Whatever the fine detail, the events
leading to TJ's death are typical. Recently, I wrote a funeral eulogy for
Leila Murray, an Aboriginal friend and the mother of Eddie Murray, who was
found hanged in a police cell in the town of Wee Waa, New South Wales, on 21
June 1983.
Eddie had been arrested and taken to the police station; his crime was being
drunk. At least one policeman lied at the inquest, and the coroner concluded
that Eddie had died "at the hands of a person or persons unknown". And that
was that. Except that Eddie's parents, Leila and Arthur, began a tenacious
21-year campaign for justice. They petitioned three New South Wales attorney
generals, they provided compelling new evidence, and they finally won the
right to exhume their son's body. The new autopsy revealed that Eddie's
sternum had been crushed, as if subjected to blow upon blow.
Leila and Arthur demanded an independent inquiry but instead came up against
a new wall of indifference and silence. Having fought for justice through
the system, they had barely rippled the surface of white Australia. When the
heroic Leila died, not a word appeared in the mainstream media. The other
day, the Sydney Morning Herald interrupted its lifestyle coverage to offer
this lecture: "The Redfern Aboriginal community should understand that no
one should be immune from the processes of the law if an offence has been
committed."
Tell that to the Hickeys, and the Murrays, and to the countless other black
Australians who, denied justice and health and employment and hope, have
been betrayed time and again by the law. The Australian high court's
judgement in the "landmark" Mabo case in 1992 was said to recognise that
Aborigines had land rights. But it did not order stolen land to be handed
back, and in a follow-up judgement, the "moral victory" became a war of
legal attrition fought against Aboriginal groups. The ensuing litigation has
cost several billion dollars, which might have improved living conditions in
ghettos such as The Block and provided jobs and decent health services. The
bitterness felt throughout Aboriginal Australia was expressed by the anger
of the 4,500 Yorta Yorta people, who had suffered a lifetime of peonage and
whose claim to their stolen homelands was rejected in 2002 by the judiciary,
which heard from a powerful array of white political and corporate
interests.
Australia, like white South Africa, has a deeply racist history of
dispossession and cruelty, buttressed by "the law". But even history is a
battleground, in which "revisionists" - the likes of Keith Windschuttle, a
self-publishing and much-publicised "new historian" - can suggest that
Tasmanian Aborigines lacked humanity and compassion.
Not anywhere in the world with indigenous populations, not in North America,
New Zealand, even South Africa, could you get away with such a slur.
Windschuttle has been the darling of an influential group of white
supremacists, who buzz around the far-right magazine Quadrant (once funded
by the CIA). They deploy their arguments in a manner not dissimilar to the
way David Irving used his history texts to promote Holocaust denial, with
the difference that they have been given generous space and tacit support in
the press. In rejecting what they call "the black armband view of history",
they claim, absurdly, that mass killing and resistance in Australia did not
happen, nor many of the horrific separations of Aboriginal children from
their families, ordered by the state. They are supported by Prime Minister
John Howard, who is famous for sending the Australian military to turn away
leaking boats carrying refugees, and to kill Iraqis in their own country.
Howard often expresses the jingoistic national "pride" that comes with
uniforms, flags and cricket.
Lyall Munro, a much-respected Aboriginal elder, referred to the real thing.
Standing where the riots took place in The Block, he told his people:
"There's been a stand made here [by] some really brave young black people
that we are immensely proud of."
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Hunter1
>
> Lyall Munro, a much-respected Aboriginal elder, referred to the real thing.
> Standing where the riots took place in The Block, he told his people:
> "There's been a stand made here [by] some really brave young black people
> that we are immensely proud of."
Respected??? He's nothing but a fuckwit Fagen if he's
encouraging children to riot and destroy. If it'd been any
other kid who'd killed himself through his own stupidity it
would have just been "well he shouldn't have been running
from the police, tragic accident", but I spose fucking
criminal idiots don't see it that way and decide to riot and
destroy instead.
Kshatriya
[ From: "G.Subramaniam" <gsu...@comcast.net>
[ Subject: Incest in islamic culture
[ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:13:17 -0500
-From a website
taken from a muslim mailing list
Assalamu alaikum, I was raped by my ...........
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What sisters have to say...
These are stories of sisters who have been molested or
even raped. Some of the contributions are also advice,
suggestions and comments from sisters who are concerned
about this problem. If you want to include your
experiences or give some advice, please use send it to
[DELETED...]. I would like to thank the two sisters who
first prompted me to start this section. Their e-mails
are highlighted in the box below.
Assalamu alaikum,
This is a topic most of us would like to hush hush, but I
think needs to be addressed seriously.
Muslim women are being harrassed by Muslim men, in
Masjid, in Muslim gatherings, and Islamic Schools. And
the community is doing nothing about it.
Yes, we may argue, this was the reason the Caliph Omar
(r.a.a.) forbade women from coming to the mosques, but we
who live in the land of the Kuffar know that if we ( and
our children) do not get enough exposure to the Islamic
Community, we will get more exposure to the Non-Islamic
Community, especially, since a lot of the women I am
talking about are single women with children.
Recently, my friend, who is a single mother of two boys,
and dressed modestly according to Islamic specification,
was being stalked by a married brother. She made it clear
that she was not interested, but the brother tried to
talk to her, phoned, and sent letters. Driven to
desperation, she showed the letter to the Imam of the
mosque, and complained about the harrassment.
The result was, that though, no action was taken to
correct the situation, the wife of the brother attacked
the victim physically, in front of her children, saying
that she had falsely accused her husband.
This is not an isolated incident. I have experienced
harrassment myself, and women won't talk about it unless
prodded.
My question is, are we going to remain silent about it,
or are we going to take some kind of action?
The sister stopped going to that particular mosque, but
is that a solution? What if she is harrassed out of all
the mosques one by one? How is she going to raise her
kids as Muslims? How are her boys going to learn about
the importance of praying in the mosque?
Salaam,
Sisteronline
Cleveland, Ohio, USA.
Asalaamu alaikum,
I pray you are well. Just read the article entitled "Rape
Prevention Methods" and have a few comments for you.
All of the "prevention" methods mentioned are good. They
should be common sense, and unfortunately for many women
(remember, I live in the "civilized" US) are actually
second-nature. But too many women do not pay any heed to
such warnings. And it is true that this is sometimes not
enough anyway.
You are correct to say that someone should address the
roots and consequences. It is too easy to "blame" a woman
because she should have run or should have screamed or
whatever; but it is very different when you are actually
in the situation.
I myself was raped on my first "date" when I was 15 by a
boy who told me that we were going to his house to meet
his mother and instead stopped in a totally secluded
area, that really was on the way to his house.
I did not get an opportunity to jump out of the car and I
did not scream or try to run. I said no and then I took
what was coming because it was better to be raped than to
be beat half to death and raped anyway.
I am not saying that there is only one option or that I
did the best thing, I just think that someone who has not
been raped can more easily give all the answers to how
not to have it happen. The reality is often different.
It is sad to me that rapists do go free; that if you
shoot an attempted rapist or intruder you are charged
with murder and he is never charged at all because you
shot him before he accomplished anything; that women have
to ask for escorts; that husbands and brothers do not do
a better job of escorting their wives, sisters and
daughters; that these men do get out and statistics show
they do commit the same crime over and over. These are
the realities and the things that need to be addressed by
women, by their families, and by the governments.
Salaam,
Aaminah Raheemah AKA Rosemary Irwin
- Submitted: 21st March 2001
I WAS MOLESTED WHILE DOING TAWAF
Assalaamu alaikum, I read both the sisters' and brothers'
comments, and I really appreciate the efforts of this web
site and the contributions of my brothers and sisters who
realize this is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I
just wanted to add one thing. For anyone reading all of
these comments who actually thinks that there isn't a
high incidence of Muslim men harassing and molesting
women -- alhamdulillah i think most of us know the truth
-- do you have ANY idea how much this kind of stuff
happens in the Haram al-Sharif in Makkah? Or during Hajj,
to women who are with their Mahrams and their Hajj
groups?
I mean... if you're standing inside the masjid al-haram
in Makkah... there really can't be anyone who is _not_ a
Muslim around you, right? So who was it who _physically_
harassed me while I was making tawaf around the kaaba...
with my brother, father and mother right there?
Subhanallah! Think, people.
P.S. To the person who said that such experiences should
not be aired in this way: that kind of silence is exactly
how the ignorance of the truth allows such behavior to
continue. Perverted men are not going to get ideas from
reading these things... trust me, they're already there.
There's enough filth available in the media -- of ANY
society, Muslim or no -- to degrade a man's perception of
women.
Ma'assalaamah,
Your sister
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-Submitted: 21st March 2001
WE WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED BY OUR FATHER
Salaam, I applaud you in addressing this issue. I came
from a family of physical and sexual abuse. I was very
young therefore the memory of my mother's physical abuse
are few for she found strength enough to leave my father.
We as children had remained with our father and the abuse
spanned to sexual. This has affected me and my sisters
throughout our lives in relation to our future husbands.
Our experience has however, given us strength to stand up
to any further injustice we may recieve as wives and
mothers and alhamdulillah not weaken our faith as Muslim
women. I am the last to marry now and I praise Allah that
my sisters have found worthy husbands.
A suggestion is informing abused women that this not
tolerated in Islam and that they can seek assistance. To
educate is to help, I think we suffered due to lack of
knowledge that Allah does not tolerate this behavior. For
a long time I was left with illusion that if I was to
marry, and I would marry a Muslim man, my husband could
lift his hand to me or abuse my children. What would I
do? Is it okay for him to do this?
With the knowledge that I have right to protect my
children and myself I can be less frigid about marriage.
And note we have to be able to offer these women
assistance, with them knowing they need not be ashamed or
fear retribution.
F.A.N
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
ROOT OUT THIS PERSISTANT EVIL
Salaam Alaikum,
i think a site like this is sooo needed! How many of us
have to go through this? i live in the United States but
i've heard horror stories from both Pakistan and the
Middle East. The men take no personal responsibility
while they destroy the lives of women and young boys.
yes, young boys..
If you are in Saudi Arabia and you are a pakistani boy
you had better look out, some boys are taken and never
seen again, others return after being sodomized for days
at "parties"...
As for those of us in the United States, if the Muslim
community will not police themselves, then call the
American authorities. We have to root out this evil one
way or the other. Let them take responsibility in prison
where they belong...
Anonymous
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-Submitted: 9th Feb 2000
I WAS RAPED AT HOME
This is a reply to a brother who claims he is slave of
Allah.
Brother this site is not corrupt. Don't close your eyes.
You men claim women should not travel without mahram. But
what if she is raped by her brother at home?
Yes, I was raped by my brother at home. Why? Because he
is not islamic educated but he claims to be a good
Muslim, he hides negative things and show what is
positive.
I would suggest you to help us women and if you can't
then don't claim that you are a slave of Allah. Because
he asked us to help each other, our Prophet (peace be up
on him) didn't feel shy to expose this matter. He did not
fear what other people (Non-Muslims) might think of us.
I would also like to suggest parents to not leave their
young daughters (who are not aware of this evil act) with
their older brothers.
Anonymous
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-Submitted: 9th Feb 2000
CONFRONT THE PROBLEM HEADLONG NOW
Salaam Alaikum,
well I finally took the time to read the website about
Muslim Men who are not behaving as they should...
And I must say it is a good site, which is LONG
overdue...
Instead of hiding our heads in the sand we need to
confront this problem head on and punish those who are
guilty of it.. and I'm not talking about those "wicked
women" who dare step outside their door without a
bodyguard..
I find this behavior disgusting. I personally have heard
stories of women who started to wear niqab, to hide
themselves from the Muslim men who congregate around the
women's entrance at the masjiid.. astigfurAllah...
We also had a situation with a wife beater who actually
smacked his wife inside the masjiid, not one brother said
a word, except some American converts who were ready to
pound this fellow...Of course we were told, "it's just
our culture"
well it sure as heck isn't right!!! culture or not!!
I don't care if someone is a Muslim, a Hindu, a
Christian, American, Lithuanian whatever the case, if
they are molesting raping or hitting they need to go
directly to prison...
Anonymous
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
THE COMMUNITY ALLOWS IT AND THOSE WHO DENY THE PROBLEM
ARE JUST AS GUILTY
It is outrageous that these men dare to do such things in
public when Islam STRICTLY AND REPEATEDLY prohibits such
acts and the man has NO right and no room to get away
with such acts.
How do these men get away with it? The community
overlooks it or prefers to stay hush about it. Thats'
where the courage comes from - the acts of these men are
a reflection of a society that is SUPPOSED to be Islamic.
And if only Muslims would wake up and start realising
that this is not exclusive to Non-Muslims. How can we
even begin to put shahriah into practice if the community
refuses to acknowledge the problem? (I am referring to
earlier replies to this issue where the section on my
website has been described as disgusting and totally
untrue)
I faced similar reaction when I started the "Muslims
against Domestic Violence" section on my website
[DELETED...]
People who refused to acknowledge that Muslim men beat
their wives called me names and cursed me to hell.
I later conducted a survey and almost 18% of the 208
Muslims who took part said that they had a family member
who abused their mothers and siblings.
I was also informed by Brother Yahya of ININ, that in
Toronto, the NUMBER ONE reason why Muslim men are
arrested and jailed is for domestic violence. This
brother actually spoke directly to the chaplain in order
to verify this information. Click here to read this e-
mail.
Both these sections try to convey to readers that,
"Muslims, wake up - beating your wife, molesting and
raping other women is against Islam. How can you call
yourself a Muslim, a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?
Everyone who shuts their eyes and denies a problem, thus
preventing it from being addressed is about as guilty as
the men who commit such acts. They too will have to
answer to Allah.
Webmaster
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
PUNISHMENT FOR RAPE AND MOLEST IS DEATH ACCORDING TO
HADITH
Salam Alaikum!
I wonder if you know what the penalty of such crime is
according to Islamic Shari'yah? DEATH!
Indeed rape and molestation a serious crime that is
deserving of the ultimate punishment in this world.
How strange it is that such crime goes on in the Muslim
Society you live in. Shame on such a so called Muslim
Society. If only strict Islamic Shari'yah wrere practiced
then you'd find that even if a male so much as stared at
a female for longer than usual he would be punished.
I am sorry that you had to experience such malice
(molestation) from your own fellow men. What a shame it
is that those who should uphold the Islamic codes of
coduct would rather commit such vices and give into their
evil lusts. I hope you will do the right thing by
revealing such men to the authorities. And remember that
Allah will indeed punish these men in time. I pray Allah
eases the suffering of Muslimahs and Muslims wordwide.
Fi-Amanillah
Yasemin
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
Reply to Jinnah's message
The Brother asks how we know the men are Muslim
men....how? Because I know the men who molested me. They
molested me and one attempted to rape me and said he
would bash me up if I told anyone. Happy now brother?
You speak as if men are brainless animals - that just
because a woman travels to and from school by herself, he
has the right to act like a beast. For your information,
on two occasions I was at a masjid and on most other
occasions I was at my own family home. Oh brother, we are
all transgressors but how sad it is that you practice no
justice in your assessment.
When the souls of raped victims and victims like me weep
on the day of Judgement and ask God for justice, you will
be remembered.
Anonymous
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
(reply to above two)
1. I totally agree with the suggestion that young kids
should never be left with adult men. Parents need to take
great care to avoid doing this no matter how little your
child is or how trusted the man is.
2. Yes, culture should be separated from religion - while
it does not easily happen in reality - one of the points
we must highlight is that Islam should not be held
responsible for such acts.
3. I have to disagree that "it is not the mullah's fault"
Sure, Allah will not change the condition of people until
they change themselves, but how can manipulating and
taking advantage of a people's poverty and illiteracy not
be the mullah's fault?
Webmaster
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
THIS IS NOT ISLAMIC CULTURE/DON'T BLAME THE MULLAHS
(reply to below)
Salam 'alaikum and hello,
I have to refute your comment sister: "The 'culture' of
Islam oppresses talk about sexual deviances and that is
the big advantage these predators have."
There is no 'culture' in Islam. It is either Islam and
the application of sunnah or it is merely culture. If you
study a bit more extensively you will find much that
touches on such subjects. The Prophet(s'Allahu 'alayhe wa
salam) and his sahabi were never shy in addressing the
deviant behaviours of others and the causes, avoidance's
and repercussions of such acts.
First of all, it is highly recommended if not mandatory
that you never leave your children alone with adult men.
Young boys are never to be left alone with men.
As stated by Sufyan Thawri: Once he entered a bathhouse
and then a handsome boy came in. Sufyan called out:
"Please take him away from me, for if there is one Satan
present when one is in privacy with a woman, there are
fifteen Satans present when one is in privacy with a
beautiful boy."
Also related by Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal: A man came to
visit him, and with him was a beautiful boy. Imam Ahmad
asked: "Who is this with you?" He replied: "My sister's
son." Imam Ahmad told him not to bring him along again
nor to walk with him in the streets, because people who
did not know that they were related might have suspicious
thoughts about them. [Both stories are from Al-Kaba'ir by
Ad-Dhahabi] I wonder about a parent that would leave a
child alone with a non-relative, even a sheikh.
Also in your PS; The only way for a Muslim to protect
him/herself is through education and application of it.
It is not up to you to place judgment on these 'Mullahs',
that is up to Allah. If there are any that are being
deceived by them it is not the Mullahs fault, it is the
fault of the uneducated following them. We are so
fortunate these days to have so many books and different
scholars opinions that it cannot be the burden of the
leader, but the burden of the individuals. Please read
and educate yourself, don't depend on them. Depend on
Allah.
Fee aman illeh,
Um Noah
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
DON'T LEAVE YOUR KIDS WITH OLDER MEN NO MATTER WHAT
Salam excellent topic. Some men hide behind the veil of
Islam, beard and Quranic verses when in reality they are
sexually deviants.
Just few months ago, there was a case in Northern
California, Palo Alto, regarding such a man who was
supposed to be teaching Quran to little kids but was
instead sodomizing boys and girls ages 5 - 11 in their
own homes. The 'culture' of Islam * oppresses talk about
sexual deviances and that is the big advantage these
predators have.
Over 13 childern were victimized over few years till one
13 yr old girl complained to her parents. This has to
stop and educated elite has to devise mechanism for such
catching, stoping and preventing such abuses by so called
custodians of Islam. Average Muslim has to stop being
naive and be a toy in the hands of these sexually deviant
hypocripts.
p.s. Now you wonder why me and mullahs don't get along. I
know their true self and can only despise them. IMHO,
they are not Muslims, nor represent Islam, they are
hypocrites who are deceiving innocent Muslims.
Munaza
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED IN EVERY CULTURE, EDUCATED THEM.
Some of the articles do have agood point. And yes it is
true SOME muslim men do beat their wife. However there
are bad seeds in every nation, religion, and culture.
Since the world is a male dominated society they get a
double standard position.
We should educate every men and women about their rights
(do's and dont's)
As-salamu-alycum
Anonymous
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-Submitted: 8th Feb 2000
BE CAREFUL, THIS MAY DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD
as-salam 'alaikum wa Rahmatu llahi wa Barakatu,
Dear sister,
Barak Allah feekee for your efforts in exposing the fact
that these tragedies happen within the Muslim
communities. I feel strongly that we need solutions and
input for prevention, however I strongly disagree with
posting personal accounts of these tragedies. It is
exploitative and personal and irrelevant to the means of
repair.
In my opinion I believe it's best not to post such
details. There may be some sick men out there that get a
thrill or worse yet ideas from them.
May Allah protect us from harm, ameen
fee aman illeh,
Um Noah
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Why should women be asked not to come to the mosque when
men cannot control themselves? The guilty men are the
ones who should be punished. This is not a good solution
at all.
My best friend and I were out together one day when a man
molested her. I grabbed his collar and punched him
straight in the nose. You know why? Because no other man
in the area would have taken action so I took it myself.
This may seem like just one man in a million but everyone
who saw me punch him and saw him collapse on the floor
will remember the humuliation he must have felt, next
time any of them tries to touch a woman.
It works. The Islamic law of punishing extreme cases of
theft and murder is basically to set an example so that
others are fearful of committing the same mistakes.
These men have been encouraged and have gone scot-free
because women have not been speaking up. I have been
silent all my life until the day I punched that man. Now
I have no qualms about exposing these sleazeballs. I do
not feel sorry for them either because any man who thinks
he can violate a woman like this should be ready to
handle the consequences.
We need stories and accounts...we need suggestions from
sisters on how to solve this problem....a public
discussion will act as a warning to brothers and as
encouragement to sisters who have been silent about being
harassed and molested.
I pray that we are on the right path and that Allah helps
our cause.
Webmaster
Kshatriya
This is the same place from where MOST illegal Paki's and Afghanis
come to Australia. Forwarded:-
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How can you call yourself a Muslim country??
This is sick beyond words!!!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/248219.stm
Pakistan's wall of silence on child abuse
By Richard Galpin in Pakistan
A new report on attitudes to child sex abuse in Pakistan's North-West
Frontier Province paints a horrifying picture of widespread abuse.
The report shows that many of the population believe that the sexual
abuse
of young boys is a matter of pride.
The United Nations is shortly to publish the first nation-wide survey
on
child sex-abuse in Pakistan - an acutely sensitive subject in this
deeply
conservative Islamic country.
The first indications of the scale of the problem have been revealed
in this
early report from North-West Frontier Province.
It shows that one third of those who took part in the survey did not
even
believe that child sexual abuse was a bad thing - let alone a crime.
The UN believes the sexual abuse of young children is widespread in
some
areas of the country but that until now it has been hidden behind a
wall of
silence.
In Pakistan much of the population lives in squalid slums where
children are
forced to play their part in the day to day survival of the family.
That
means working in places such as the notorious Pirwadhai bus station in
Rawalpindi.
Here there are hundreds of young boys at work in the grimy workshops
and
sleazy hotels on which the bus station's reputation is based. For this
is a
centre of child sexual abuse.
One boy told me that local hotels encouraged the trade: "The
hotel-owners
employ children who are used to attract customers. The customers are
then
told what kind of services are provided and that they can do what they
want
with the children. The hotels here are very well known for these
services.
And it's good money for us."
Their clients are men from all backgrounds - travelling from one part
of the
country to another - thus freed from the constraints of life at home
in this
conservative society. With girls mostly kept at home - they prey on
these
working boys who are extremely vulnerable to abuse.
Although at present there is little data on child sexual abuse in
Pakistan,
experts such as the clinical psychologist, Kamran Ahmad, believe it is
widespread:
"There is a lot of repression of sexuality so what happens is that is
shows
up in unhealthy forms. You rarely find healthy expressions of
sexuality in
everyday life so sexual abuse becomes very common"
For the victims it is a terrifying ordeal. A boy told us how he had
been
raped when he was just 7 years old. He said the men in his village
were like
dogs - 'they would eat you like a dog' he said. 'It was not safe for
any
young fair-skinned boy to go out alone. It was a tradition to molest
boys'.
According to the report many people in Frontier Province are also well
aware
that men in the area keep boys specifically for sex.
All this seems to be a result of the rigid segregation of men and
women in
Pakistan, which is most seriously enforced in the Pashtoon areas of
the
North. Under Pashtoon culture it is very difficult for a young man to
interact with the opposite sex - particularly in the rural areas.
Young boys therefore become the targets of abuse.
But the government is starting to recognise the issue. The Secretary
at the
Ministry of Women's Development and Social Welfare, Muzzafar Quresh,
says :
"We're beginning to realise that it is a serious problem.
"We've initiated several studies to try to measure the extent and
there's
also some evidence coming out about what happens to children and the
need
for greater attention to rehabilitate them and to bring them back to a
normal social life."
But in reality only a handful of organisations are helping children at
risk
of being exploited and abused. The subject is still far too hidden for
there
to be a concerted campaign to rescue the many victims.
The publication of the nationwide survey on child sexual abuse is a
critical
test for both the government and Pakistani society as a whole.
It will prompt painful introspection - but the hope is that it will
lead to
positive reform."
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Positive reform is possible only when the Koran is reformed.
Dr. Jai Maharaj
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
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[ From: "Ashok Chowgule" <ash...@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in>
[ Subject: Re: Muslim rapists in Australia
[ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004
The following must be the quote of the century:
The rapists' distraught father shouted: "This is illegal.
This is illegal. This is the Supreme Court of Australia."
Namaste.
Ashok Chowgule
> [ From: <Yash...@aol.com>
> [ Subject: Re: Muslim rapists in Australia
> [ Date: Sunday, February 22, 2004
>
> I wonder why Australian media is trying to hide the
> religious identities of these muslims by writing only
> their initials and not full names. The news says: The
> five men - RS and brothers MAK, MSK, MRK and MMK
> Obvioulsy the last letter "K" stands for Khan.
> Australians needs to expose the religious identities of
> these beasts by giving their full names
> gsu...@comcast.net writes:
>
> > Violence erupts as rapists face court
> >
> > By Lorna Knowles
> > February 21, 2004
> >
> > THERE were wild scenes outside the NSW Supreme Court
> > yesterday when the boyfriend of a gang rape victim
> > screamed threats and abuse at the family of the
> > perpetrators.
> >
> > Sheriffs dragged the man away from the father and two
> > brothers of four men facing sentence for raping two
> > schoolgirls at Ashfield in July 2002. "I'm going to put
> > your brothers on protection," the man screamed at the
> > family outside the court at Darlinghurst. One brother
> > shouted back their address, inviting the man to "come and
> > visit us anytime". The man charged at the pair, shouting:
> > "I'll come to your house and I'll rape your mother. I'll
> > put you in hospital now, you f...ing dog." The rapists'
> > distraught father shouted: "This is illegal. This is
> > illegal. This is the Supreme Court of Australia."
> > Earlier, the boyfriend was ejected from the court after
> > he screamed abuse at the five men convicted of raping LS
> > and her friend HG at knifepoint. "You dogs. Come here,
> > dogs. I'll be there, don't worry," he cried from the
> > gallery. One of the rapists smirked and called back:
> > "Relax man. Respect the judge. Re spect the court,
> > brother." Justice Brian Sully warned the public to behave
> > or he would throw everyone out. "American television is
> > not a good guide to the administration of justice in
> > NSW," Justice Sully said. The five men - RS and brothers
> > MAK, MSK, MRK and MMK - face a maximum sentence of life
> > after a jury found each guilty of nine counts of
> > aggravated sexual assault. The girls, aged 16 and 17,
> > were raped repeatedly and threatened with knives and gold
> > bullets. One was told the other had been killed because
> > she had resisted her attackers. Psychologist Gerard
> > Webster told the court MRK, 19, who came from Pakistan
> > four years ago, had suffered severe trauma in his life.
> > "He suffered violence at the hands of his brothers and
> > ... the violence in the community in Pakistan was
> > extreme," Mr Webster said.
> >
> > The hearings continue. Comments to: news...@NEWS.com.au
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8745395%255E421,00.html
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