Why People World-Wide Hate Yanks.
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia
On 18 Apr 1997 14:19:44 GMT, Eisen Chao lost self-control and said:
>: > In Britian, wealthy businessmen
>: > pay L10.00 a bottle for American Budweiser in their 'high class'
>: as a conversation piece, i guess.
> Of course, as anything AMERICAN has a special cachet and
> prestige that nothing British can muster up.
bwaaaahahahahaha ! get that fellas: 'special cachet' ! bwaaaahahahahahaha !
>: > anti-Americans
>: > couldn't do without in there lives for even 1 day...
>: > 1. Marlboro Cigarettes
>: > 2. CocaCola
>: > 3. Baywatch
....(rest snipped, makes me belch)
>: sad, aint it. not one quality product among it.
>: lets see what we transport in contrast to the us in huge amounts :
>: 1. zeno davidoff cigars.
> I see, so tobacco originated in the Old World ... NOT!
nah. tobacco originated in america, and the indiuns smoked it.
then came zeno, and turned it into a QUALITY product.
but you yanks made one mistake: you closed down cuba !
so YOU have to inhale marlboro, whereas we get a
nice $20, 2 hour cuban cigar...
> As for growing in ... (* Y-uuURRRPPPpppp *) ... excuse me..
> you probably have to get 'your' tobacco from somewhere
> non-Euro-Peon ....
see above. best tobacco: cuba. but you will have to get your
fanny overhere if you wanna smoke it.
>: 2. Bordeaux wine
> Made from grape vines descended from blight-proof AMERICAN varieties.
> At the turn of the century, all of ... (* Y-uuURRRPPPPpppp *)
> excuse me ... was devastated by a blight in the vineyards.
> Only by the importation of AMERICAN vines was your vineyard industry
> saved.
so what are you arguing ? you produce something, then WE come and
make a quality product out of it. you wouldn't be able to produce
a good wine. even gallo is vinegar.
>: 3. Mr. Bean
> Comedy on Television, an AMERICAN concept. Again you owe us.
television: british. comedy: european.
i seriously can't regard your sexless, canned laughter flooded,
dumbwit sitcoms (The Bundies !) as humour, i'm sorry.
or were you refering to CNN ? that's comedy alright.
>: 4. *real* whiskey, the malt stuff, not the blended shite
> Carcinogenic
WHAT ?
ah i forgot. you yanks would rather eat and drink horse-manure,
because at least its All-Bran, Low-Fat and No Sugar. I myself
like tasty, natural, yes food that was ALIVE at one stage or another.
>: 6. designer clothing (Benneton, Karl Lagerfeld etc. ect.. The stuff that
>: hardly fits on fat yank asses. talking about pearls for swine...)
> Some of which is designed by employees who happen to be AMERICAN
hey, rome had its slaves too. you can't built an empire without
some sacrifice.
>: 8. real, german cars
> A lot of which are made here in AMERICA at MERCEDES BENZ auto plants
so YOU buy them then ? you keep on arguing in my favor, smarts.
>: 10. music of all classical composers, none of which have been born in the
>: us.
> Most of which belong to a past and a world that no longer exists.
pssst, eisen.... leme tell you a secret: that's called CULTURE.
> Nonsense. AMERICA does so well world-wide because it aims NOT
> for an upper-class, hoi-polloi consumer market, which BTW is
> in the minority, but rather it aims for a wider and far more
> numerous audience that craves AFFORDABLE, COMFORTABLE, AND
> PRACTICAL services and products.
bwaaahhhahahahaha again. you know, cars that are luxurious in the
states are driven by lower class people here: mercedes, volvo, bmw.
everybody in france drinks good wine, everybody gets a decent plate
of food (no genetically engineered paper in our pasta !) at the end
of the day (or at lunchtime for that matter).
we don't have to drink weasel's piss or watered down horse urine,
and call it 'beer' !
> As for 'scraping at the bottom', Ignored Spermatozia, how
> then do you explain the phenomonon of the Japanese paying
> up to TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS (US) for ONE pair of 1950's
> Denim Levi Jeans ?
only two thousand dollar ? my a bottle of Katenberger Muellenstock
Kabinet from 1973 sells for $3000 here in Germany.... that's
23 years younger and $1000 more, and you can't even wipe your
a**e with it.
igor.
Colin McElroy
un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de (Igor
Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia) wrote:
>bwaaaahahahahaha ! get that fellas: 'special cachet' ! bwaaaahahahahahaha !
Igor, please stop stuffing youself will all that sauerkraut, hard
boiled eggs and beer. And for gott's sake change those liederhosen.
Colin
Eisen Chao
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia (un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de) wrote:
:
:
: >: > In Britian, wealthy businessmen
: >: > pay L10.00 a bottle for American Budweiser in their 'high class'
:
: >: as a conversation piece, i guess.
:
: > Of course, as anything AMERICAN has a special cachet and
: > prestige that nothing British can muster up.
: bwaaaahahahahaha ! get that fellas: 'special cachet' !
: bwaaaahahahahahaha !!
T'is true. Your own "The Economist" says for example that
given two competing identical software products, one American
and the other Euro-Peon, that the Euro-peon customer will
usually give the American product more consideration.
This explains then why our software sales world-wide is
$100 BILLION, while the next runner-up is just a paltry
$10 Billion (UK & GDR combined)
: >: > anti-Americans
: >: > couldn't do without in there lives for even 1 day...
:
: >: > 1. Marlboro Cigarettes
: >: > 2. CocaCola
: >: > 3. Baywatch
:
: ....(rest snipped, makes me belch)
:
: >: sad, aint it. not one quality product among it.
: >: lets see what we transport in contrast to the us in huge amounts :
:
: >: 1. zeno davidoff cigars.
:
: > I see, so tobacco originated in the Old World ... NOT!
:
: nah. tobacco originated in america, and the indiuns smoked it.
: then came zeno, and turned it into a QUALITY product.
Nonsense! The Tobacco ISN'T carted all the way
across the Atlantic just so it can be cured
in ... (* Y-UUURRRPPPPppp *). No, this is clearly
another case of Euro-Peons peddling off an already
superior product and adding zero-to-no value to it.
: but you yanks made one mistake: you closed down cuba !
: so YOU have to inhale marlboro, whereas we get a
: nice $20, 2 hour cuban cigar...
You Euro-Peons wouldn't know a good Cuban cigar even if
it was lit & stuck yup your butt. There is now a thriving
trade in COUNTERFEIT Cuban Cigars on the island of Santa
Domingo that the Cubans are fuming about & impotent at stopping.
The demand for these fake stoggies ? Probably from clueless
Euro-Peons, not from us Yanks who would NEVER support a
communist tyrant.
: > As for growing in ... (* Y-uuURRRPPPpppp *) ... excuse me..
: > you probably have to get 'your' tobacco from somewhere
: > non-Euro-Peon ....
:
: see above. best tobacco: cuba. but you will have to get your
: fanny overhere if you wanna smoke it.
... or some pathetic replica knock-off...
: >: 2. Bordeaux wine
:
: > Made from grape vines descended from blight-proof AMERICAN varieties.
: > At the turn of the century, all of ... (* Y-uuURRRPPPPpppp *)
: > excuse me ... was devastated by a blight in the vineyards.
: > Only by the importation of AMERICAN vines was your vineyard industry
: > saved.
:
: so what are you arguing ? you produce something, then WE come and
: make a quality product out of it.
Not true. ALL your wines are from AMERICAN vines, the French
wine industry was totalled by the blight. As usual it's
AMERICA-TO-THE-RESCUE.
: you wouldn't be able to produce a good wine. even gallo is vinegar.
Balderdash, California wines can compete with ANYTHING
the French can offer. And why not ? They're all from
the same stock!
: >: 3. Mr. Bean
: : > Comedy on Television, an AMERICAN concept. Again you owe us.
: : television: british.
Not in the form that is used world-wide.
You see, the British version of 'TV' was
a little round disk with images on it that
spun around rapidly that was good for say
a 30-second broadcast. Like anything else
British, totally under-powered, inadequate,
and not up to a world-class standard.
: comedy: european.
I will agree with you on this. Euro-Peons are
indeed the cause for levity.
But it was AMERICA that created the first televised
comedy shows, not some impoverished, bombed-out
Euro-Peons who didn't even have a pot to piss in.
I believe that the year was 1948 and was probably
broadcasted from either Chicago or New York.
: i seriously can't regard your sexless, canned laughter flooded,
: dumbwit sitcoms (The Bundies !) as humour, i'm sorry.
: or were you refering to CNN ? that's comedy alright.
You are refering to the export version of our programs
of course. We find that most foreigners have to be
clued in to when to laff, being that they are so dense.
: >: 4. *real* whiskey, the malt stuff, not the blended shite
: > Carcinogenic
: WHAT ?
That's right. C-A-R-C-I-N-O-G-E-N-I-C.
Genuine Scotch Whiskey is the worse, followed by
Cana-Duh-ian, then by American. Seems to have something
to do with how coloured the particulates are. And you
thought that the cancer-rate amongst Scots (the world's
highest) was caused by Haggis!
: ah i forgot. you yanks would rather eat and drink horse-manure,
: because at least its All-Bran, Low-Fat and No Sugar. I myself
: like tasty, natural, yes food that was ALIVE at one stage or another.
So you say now. But wait until you are bed-ridden down with
all those gross-looking pustulant tumours, you probably will
be screaming
"I WAS A STOOPID GIT"!!!!!!!!
over and over again ...
: >: 6. designer clothing (Benneton, Karl Lagerfeld etc. ect.. The stuff that
: >: hardly fits on fat yank asses. talking about pearls for swine...)
:
: > Some of which is designed by employees who happen to be AMERICAN
:
: hey, rome had its slaves too. you can't built an empire without
: some sacrifice.
Backwards you got it ...
:
: >: 8. real, german cars
:
: > A lot of which are made here in AMERICA at MERCEDES BENZ auto plants
:
: so YOU buy them then ? you keep on arguing in my favor, smarts.
:
: >: 10. music of all classical composers, none of which have been born in the
: >: us.
:
: > Most of which belong to a past and a world that no longer exists.
:
: pssst, eisen.... leme tell you a secret: that's called CULTURE.
So ? The Romans had culture too, but do you REALLY want to
bring back vomitoriums and gladiator fights ?
: > Nonsense. AMERICA does so well world-wide because it aims NOT
: > for an upper-class, hoi-polloi consumer market, which BTW is
: > in the minority, but rather it aims for a wider and far more
: > numerous audience that craves AFFORDABLE, COMFORTABLE, AND
: > PRACTICAL services and products.
:
: bwaaahhhahahahaha again. you know, cars that are luxurious in the
: states are driven by lower class people here: mercedes, volvo, bmw.
Nonsense! I've seen those funny sub-compact cars made in
Italy, France & the UK! You got Trabant-knock-offs for your
lower classes!
: everybody in france drinks good wine,
Soem of which is from California!
: everybody gets a decent plate of food (no genetically engineered
: paper in our pasta !) at the end of the day (or at lunchtime for
: that matter).
For which you pay more than an American would pay for food.
Our bounteous fields o' plenty make OUR food costs the lowest
in the devloped world. We don't have thing like VAT added
to OUR grocery bills, like they do in France.
: we don't have to drink weasel's piss or watered down horse urine,
: and call it 'beer' !
:
: > As for 'scraping at the bottom', Ignored Spermatozia, how
: > then do you explain the phenomonon of the Japanese paying
: > up to TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS (US) for ONE pair of 1950's
: > Denim Levi Jeans ?
:
: only two thousand dollar ? my a bottle of Katenberger Muellenstock
: Kabinet from 1973 sells for $3000 here in Germany.... that's
: 23 years younger and $1000 more, and you can't even wipe your
: a**e with it.
OTOH, that same $2000 spent is an INVESTMENT in something
that won't get 'pissed away', so who really got the better deal ?
:
: igor.
:
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia
On 21 Apr 1997 14:46:10 GMT, Eisen Chao lost self-control and said:
>Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia (un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de) w
>rote:
I'm reeeeaaaally disappointed in you, Eisen. your answers to
my mail are full of self-contradictions, lame answers and
crooked arguments. weel. my own fault i guess, trying to be
reasonable with a yank.
some of your low-points addressed below:
>: >: 1. zeno davidoff cigars.
>: > I see, so tobacco originated in the Old World ... NOT!
>: nah. tobacco originated in america, and the indiuns smoked it.
>: then came zeno, and turned it into a QUALITY product.
> Nonsense! The Tobacco ISN'T carted all the way
> across the Atlantic just so it can be cured
> in ... (* Y-UUURRRPPPPppp *). No, this is clearly
> another case of Euro-Peons peddling off an already
> superior product and adding zero-to-no value to it.
above remark only shows you've never had the oppertunity to
smoke and enjoy an actual zeno davidoff. otherwise you
would know you're talking out of your arse.
>: but you yanks made one mistake: you closed down cuba !
>: so YOU have to inhale marlboro, whereas we get a
>: nice $20, 2 hour cuban cigar...
> You Euro-Peons wouldn't know a good Cuban cigar even if
> it was lit & stuck yup your butt. There is now a thriving
> trade in COUNTERFEIT Cuban Cigars on the island of Santa
> Domingo that the Cubans are fuming about & impotent at stopping.
zeno davidoff's ARE cuban cigars, independent of
the location where they are produced, which happens to
be Switzerland. Zeno combines 1. perfect cuban tobacco and
2. love for the object he is creating.
in ANY american process 2. is usually ignored.
>: >: 2. Bordeaux wine
>: > Made from grape vines descended from blight-proof AMERICAN varieties.
>: > At the turn of the century, all of ... (* Y-uuURRRPPPPpppp *)
>: > excuse me ... was devastated by a blight in the vineyards.
>: > Only by the importation of AMERICAN vines was your vineyard industry
>: > saved.
>: so what are you arguing ? you produce something, then WE come and
>: make a quality product out of it.
> Not true. ALL your wines are from AMERICAN vines, the French
> wine industry was totalled by the blight. As usual it's
> AMERICA-TO-THE-RESCUE.
bull. you have never rescued europe. second, my point still stands.
you can sell us all the horsemanure that you have, if europe
succeeds in growing flowers on it, don't come to us and say:
'yeah, those flowers are pretty, but it was OUR horsemanure !'
>: you wouldn't be able to produce a good wine. even gallo is vinegar.
> Balderdash, California wines can compete with ANYTHING
> the French can offer.
yuk yuk yuk. you kill me eisen.
>And why not ? They're all from the same stock!
see: that's why american wine is fermented cat-pee. the secret behind
a good wine is NOT the quality of the grape, but the love and care one takes
in growing the plants and the preparation of the wine itself. but forget it:
why should i tell an ignoramus like you what love and care
for a product is, if your only interested in money, money, money.
> But it was AMERICA that created the first televised
> comedy shows, not some impoverished, bombed-out
> Euro-Peons who didn't even have a pot to piss in.
well, and happy congrats to you then, for the CRAP you
have to watch all day. jus name me ONE funny american.
>: i seriously can't regard your sexless, canned laughter flooded,
>: dumbwit sitcoms (The Bundies !) as humour, i'm sorry.
>: or were you refering to CNN ? that's comedy alright.
> You are refering to the export version of our programs
> of course.
No, I wasn't. i actually visited your beautiful country
on a number of occassions, watched television AND survived.
>: >: 4. *real* whiskey, the malt stuff, not the blended shite
>: > Carcinogenic
>: WHAT ?
> That's right. C-A-R-C-I-N-O-G-E-N-I-C.
i heard you. but be seriuos: W-H-O C-A-R-E-S ?
> Genuine Scotch Whiskey is the worse, followed by
> Cana-Duh-ian, then by American. Seems to have something
> to do with how coloured the particulates are.
its called peat.
> And you
> thought that the cancer-rate amongst Scots (the world's
> highest) was caused by Haggis!
yeah, but even sexual friggin intercourse can give you cancer:
does that mean you use an inflatable plastic DOLLLY ?
>: ah i forgot. you yanks would rather eat and drink horse-manure,
>: because at least its All-Bran, Low-Fat and No Sugar. I myself
>: like tasty, natural, yes food that was ALIVE at one stage or another.
> So you say now. But wait until you are bed-ridden down with
> all those gross-looking pustulant tumours, you probably will
> be screaming
> "I WAS A STOOPID GIT"!!!!!!!!
nah, I will be saying: i enjoyed my life. whereas you will be saying:
was it worth it?
>: pssst, eisen.... leme tell you a secret: that's called CULTURE.
> So ? The Romans had culture too, but do you REALLY want to
> bring back vomitoriums and gladiator fights ?
isn't that what YOU guys are doing ?
>: bwaaahhhahahahaha again. you know, cars that are luxurious in the
>: states are driven by lower class people here: mercedes, volvo, bmw.
> Nonsense! I've seen those funny sub-compact cars made in
> Italy, France & the UK! You got Trabant-knock-offs for your
> lower classes!
these are second cars for the spouses, or cars for city traffic.
you know, our innercities do not look as if a H-bomb just blew
50% of all the houses away: we have real streets with CURVES.
The same curves you yank toursists always get stuck in, btw.
>: everybody in france drinks good wine,
> Soem of which is from California!
sure, sure. about 0.00000001% which means 1 bottle in 20 years.
>: everybody gets a decent plate of food (no genetically engineered
>: paper in our pasta !) at the end of the day (or at lunchtime for
>: that matter).
> For which you pay more than an American would pay for food.
quality costs money.
> Our bounteous fields o' plenty make OUR food costs the lowest
> in the devloped world.
and it tastes like it.
> We don't have thing like VAT added
> to OUR grocery bills, like they do in France.
don't worry, your government gets its money too. besides, in every
store in the us you have to pay state tax too.
>: only two thousand dollar ? my a bottle of Katenberger Muellenstock
>: Kabinet from 1973 sells for $3000 here in Germany.... that's
>: 23 years younger and $1000 more, and you can't even wipe your
>: a**e with it.
> OTOH, that same $2000 spent is an INVESTMENT in something
> that won't get 'pissed away', so who really got the better deal ?
nope. you can't get drunk on jeans.
igor.
Eisen Chao
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia (un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de) wrote:
: On 21 Apr 1997 14:46:10 GMT, Eisen Chao lost self-control and said:
:
: >Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia (un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de) w
: >rote:
:
: I'm reeeeaaaally disappointed in you, Eisen. your answers to
: my mail are full of self-contradictions, lame answers and
: crooked arguments. weel. my own fault i guess, trying to be
: reasonable with a yank.
Your personal perception so maybe you should blame yourself, Sperm.
: some of your low-points addressed below:
:
: >: >: 1. zeno davidoff cigars.
:
: >: > I see, so tobacco originated in the Old World ... NOT!
:
: >: nah. tobacco originated in america, and the indiuns smoked it.
: >: then came zeno, and turned it into a QUALITY product.
:
: > Nonsense! The Tobacco ISN'T carted all the way
: > across the Atlantic just so it can be cured
: > in ... (* Y-UUURRRPPPPppp *). No, this is clearly
: > another case of Euro-Peons peddling off an already
: > superior product and adding zero-to-no value to it.
:
: above remark only shows you've never had the oppertunity to
: smoke and enjoy an actual zeno davidoff. otherwise you
: would know you're talking out of your arse.
No, but I probably would be blowing smoke outta
my 'arse' and/or other bodily orifaces.
No to Cancer and No thanks.
: >: but you yanks made one mistake: you closed down cuba !
: >: so YOU have to inhale marlboro, whereas we get a
: >: nice $20, 2 hour cuban cigar...
:
: > You Euro-Peons wouldn't know a good Cuban cigar even if
: > it was lit & stuck yup your butt. There is now a thriving
: > trade in COUNTERFEIT Cuban Cigars on the island of Santa
: > Domingo that the Cubans are fuming about & impotent at stopping.
:
: zeno davidoff's ARE cuban cigars, independent of
: the location where they are produced, which happens to
: be Switzerland.
'Cuban' cigars that are produced 'independent of location' ?
Like I told you already, dumb-ass, there ARE counterfeit
Cuban Cigars that you clueless Euro-Peons are snappin' up!
: Zeno combines 1. perfect cuban tobacco and
: 2. love for the object he is creating.
3. You forgot the Swiss label & cellophane wrapping,
which is the ONLY Swiss contribution to this product...
: in ANY american process 2. is usually ignored.
:
: >: >: 2. Bordeaux wine
:
: >: > Made from grape vines descended from blight-proof AMERICAN varieties.
: >: > At the turn of the century, all of ... (* Y-uuURRRPPPPpppp *)
: >: > excuse me ... was devastated by a blight in the vineyards.
: >: > Only by the importation of AMERICAN vines was your vineyard industry
: >: > saved.
:
: >: so what are you arguing ? you produce something, then WE come and
: >: make a quality product out of it.
:
: > Not true. ALL your wines are from AMERICAN vines, the French
: > wine industry was totalled by the blight. As usual it's
: > AMERICA-TO-THE-RESCUE.
:
: bull. you have never rescued europe.
Did too:
WWI, WWII, Marshal Plan, Euro-Disney, Gulf War
Are the major ass-savings that I can think of, besides
all the countless minor incidences ...
: second, my point still stands.
: you can sell us all the horsemanure that you have,
We do. It's called McDonalds and it seems to be going
like Gangbusters over by you.
: if europe succeeds in growing flowers on it, don't come to us and say:
: 'yeah, those flowers are pretty, but it was OUR horsemanure !'
Not gonna happen. Those tasty quarter-pounders[tm] don't sit long
enough to sprout flowers or other growths on 'em. In typical
efficient and hygenic American Fashion[tm] they are disposed of
when they've passed their Flavourful Peak[tm] and Scrumptious
Juiciness[tm]
This has been a public service message brough to you by the
McDonald's Corporation[tm].
: >: you wouldn't be able to produce a good wine. even gallo is vinegar.
:
: > Balderdash, California wines can compete with ANYTHING
: > the French can offer.
:
: yuk yuk yuk. you kill me eisen.
Come visit us in Miami sometime and maybe I can make your
wish(death) come true.
: >And why not ? They're all from the same stock!
:
: see: that's why american wine is fermented cat-pee.
Only the bottle you got. And with your poor attitude Mister,
I don't blame who ever did it to you.
: the secret behind a good wine is NOT the quality of the grape,
: but the love and care one takes in growing the plants and the
: preparation of the wine itself. but forget it:
: why should i tell an ignoramus like you what love and care
: for a product is, if your only interested in money, money, money.
Hogwash! That is where you show your ignorance, Igor-rancid.
The boom in California vineyards is all due to the influx
ex-hippies to Sonoma county after the hey-day of the
Haight-Ashbury. Who better to tend grapes and lovingly
improve the stock than people who:
* Are hedonists
* Profess and practice loveing, caring, sharing
* Are bearded, floppy-sandaled bohemians
* Identify with nature and Motehr Earth
: > But it was AMERICA that created the first televised
: > comedy shows, not some impoverished, bombed-out
: > Euro-Peons who didn't even have a pot to piss in.
:
: well, and happy congrats to you then, for the CRAP you
: have to watch all day. jus name me ONE funny american.
ALL AMERICANS, "Pal".
And if you don't believe me, just catch a viewing of
"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS" to see what a riot
your average American is.
: >: i seriously can't regard your sexless, canned laughter flooded,
: >: dumbwit sitcoms (The Bundies !) as humour, i'm sorry.
: >: or were you refering to CNN ? that's comedy alright.
:
: > You are refering to the export version of our programs
: > of course.
:
: No, I wasn't. i actually visited your beautiful country
: on a number of occassions, watched television AND survived.
Not a true indication of our country's vast offering of
T.V. entertainment. You probably were not fortunate
enough to have CABLE or SATELLITE. That or you were too
stoopid to work the remote:
"Heeeelllllpppp"
(Dumb Furriner to No-One in particular)
"I kenne werrRRRk this feendish Thingy!!!!"
: >: >: 4. *real* whiskey, the malt stuff, not the blended shite
: >: > Carcinogenic
: >: WHAT ?
:
: > That's right. C-A-R-C-I-N-O-G-E-N-I-C.
:
: i heard you. but be seriuos: W-H-O C-A-R-E-S ?
I do. As I do not live in a Euro-Peon shit-hole-of-a-country,
I am not afflicted with SAD, ennui, or any other ridiculous
and gloomy world-view. I DO want to spend the rest of my
life productive, healthy, life-affirming and caring for
fluffy & cute baby animals.
: > Genuine Scotch Whiskey is the worse, followed by
: > Cana-Duh-ian, then by American. Seems to have something
: > to do with how coloured the particulates are.
:
: its called peat.
Put some pebbles, wood-chips, and debris in there, whydoncha ?
:
: > And you
: > thought that the cancer-rate amongst Scots (the world's
: > highest) was caused by Haggis!
:
: yeah, but even sexual friggin intercourse can give you cancer:
Not to mention that with you Scots there's also the
danger of exposure to Anthrax ....
: does that mean you use an inflatable plastic DOLLLY ?
:
: >: ah i forgot. you yanks would rather eat and drink horse-manure,
: >: because at least its All-Bran, Low-Fat and No Sugar. I myself
: >: like tasty, natural, yes food that was ALIVE at one stage or another.
:
: > So you say now. But wait until you are bed-ridden down with
: > all those gross-looking pustulant tumours, you probably will
: > be screaming
:
: > "I WAS A STOOPID GIT"!!!!!!!!
:
: nah, I will be saying: i enjoyed my life.
And so you will be yelling the above with glee; have fun
trying to do so with part of your cancerous jaw removed.
: whereas you will be saying was it worth it?
As you will be the one who will be suffering and not me,
I will have to admit, yes it was quite worth it. Could
I also interest you in your cultivating a little 'crack'
addiction, that you might find 'well worth it' too ?
:
: >: pssst, eisen.... leme tell you a secret: that's called CULTURE.
:
: > So ? The Romans had culture too, but do you REALLY want to
: > bring back vomitoriums and gladiator fights ?
:
: isn't that what YOU guys are doing ?
Not at all, we may have a 'Palace of Caesars', along with
a Vegas-style All-U-Can-Eat-for $2.99 deal at a Casino Restaurant,
but believe you me, almost ALL people are too busy gambling
to spend any time 'bingeing-and-purgin'.
And yes, we do have 'American Gladiators' but it is
good wholesome entertainment with barely any blood
spilled or shed. Besides, I've seen YOUR competitors
from England & Germany participating too, so don't
try and get self-righteous about this one, Ignored.
P.S. We usually kick their butts too, the losers!
: >: bwaaahhhahahahaha again. you know, cars that are luxurious in the
: >: states are driven by lower class people here: mercedes, volvo, bmw.
:
: > Nonsense! I've seen those funny sub-compact cars made in
: > Italy, France & the UK! You got Trabant-knock-offs for your
: > lower classes!
:
: these are second cars for the spouses, or cars for city traffic.
Liar! They are the car of choice for your lower classes that
CAN'T afford a top-of-the-line Mercedes, BMW, etc. ect.
: you know, our innercities do not look as if a H-bomb just blew
: 50% of all the houses away:
Neither do we. With our renewed economy and massive
influx of the middle & upper classes back into our
urban areas I think you will find that a lot of
American real estate is high-priced and has new
construction on it. This is true of my neighborhood
and it's surrounding areas. Houses that sold for
$35,000 ten years ago, now go for $200,000 and above.
: we have real streets with CURVES.
Which probably were designed to be straight.
Some more of that quaint Euro-Peon 'Leaning-Tower-of-Pisa'
deterioration effect. That or more of that Scotch Whiskey.
: The same curves you yank toursists always get stuck in, btw.
That's due to your stoopid pot-holes, you jerk.
: >: everybody in france drinks good wine,
:
: > Soem of which is from California!
:
: sure, sure. about 0.00000001% which means 1 bottle in 20 years.
You seem so sure of these statistics [tm nemecStats],
would you care to name your source, Ignored ?
: >: everybody gets a decent plate of food (no genetically engineered
: >: paper in our pasta !) at the end of the day (or at lunchtime for
: >: that matter).
:
: > For which you pay more than an American would pay for food.
:
: quality costs money.
Nonsense! You have the same battery-raised chickens
that we do and you certainly pay MORE not less than us.
BTW, I'd like to mention that it was U.S. agriculture
that pioneered this, so again you Euro-peons owe us.
and plenty.
: > Our bounteous fields o' plenty make OUR food costs the lowest
: > in the devloped world.
:
: and it tastes like it.
Balderdash again! We have some of the most plentiful AND tasty food
around. Do not forget that our great country spans a full range of
climactic conditions and we grow strawberries & grapes even in the
middle of winter, withoutr greenhouses.
:
: > We don't have thing like VAT added
: > to OUR grocery bills, like they do in France.
:
: don't worry, your government gets its money too. besides, in every
: store in the us you have to pay state tax too.
Yes it does, but as it is but a mere percentage of some of the lowest
food prices in the developed world it's barely worth mentioning.
For example, for $20 (US) I can get from my local grocer:
2 lbs of Beef Loin ($2.40/lb)
2 lbs of Beef Strip Steak ($2.90/lb)
4 California avacados (0.80 ea)
2 heads California Romaine Lettuce (0.70/lb)
... and some other stuff I can't remember..
Taxes on this purchase ? Probably 10%.
If we Yanks are kinda ...um chubby this would be the
main reason: cheap & abundent food, available no
matter what the season.
: >: only two thousand dollar ? my a bottle of Katenberger Muellenstock
: >: Kabinet from 1973 sells for $3000 here in Germany.... that's
: >: 23 years younger and $1000 more, and you can't even wipe your
: >: a**e with it.
:
: > OTOH, that same $2000 spent is an INVESTMENT in something
: > that won't get 'pissed away', so who really got the better deal ?
:
: nope. you can't get drunk on jeans.
The jeans will certainly outlast whatever hangover you
might be 'enjoying' the next day ....
: igor.
:
:
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia
On 22 Apr 1997 14:31:33 GMT, Eisen Chao lost self-control and said:
>: I'm reeeeaaaally disappointed in you, Eisen. your answers to
>: my mail are full of self-contradictions, lame answers and
>: crooked arguments. weel. my own fault i guess, trying to be
>: reasonable with a yank.
> Your personal perception so maybe you should blame yourself, Sperm.
well. anyway. this answer today was much funnier. congrats.
long way to go yet, but... where there is a will there's a road.
lots and lots deleted.
>: > But it was AMERICA that created the first televised
>: > comedy shows, not some impoverished, bombed-out
>: > Euro-Peons who didn't even have a pot to piss in.
>: well, and happy congrats to you then, for the CRAP you
>: have to watch all day. jus name me ONE funny american.
> ALL AMERICANS, "Pal".
i didn't mean funny in the sense of guys who run into
goalposts during the world championship soccer, or fat yank
women meandering through the streets of heidelberg
gacking lahk ducks, or bill clinton blurting shit again...
no, i mean people who do actual JOKES *ON PURPOSE*.
Sure, all americans ARE funny. but i hardly think they
know how much we laugh about them, now do they ?
>: >: i seriously can't regard your sexless, canned laughter flooded,
>: >: dumbwit sitcoms (The Bundies !) as humour, i'm sorry.
>: >: or were you refering to CNN ? that's comedy alright.
>: > You are refering to the export version of our programs
>: > of course.
>: No, I wasn't. i actually visited your beautiful country
>: on a number of occassions, watched television AND survived.
> Not a true indication of our country's vast offering of
> T.V. entertainment. You probably were not fortunate
> enough to have CABLE or SATELLITE.
sure i was. hilton, rennaisance, hyatt. them places all
have cable.
>: >: >: 4. *real* whiskey, the malt stuff, not the blended shite
>: >: > Carcinogenic
>: >: WHAT ?
>: > That's right. C-A-R-C-I-N-O-G-E-N-I-C.
>: i heard you. but be seriuos: W-H-O C-A-R-E-S ?
> I do. As I do not live in a Euro-Peon shit-hole-of-a-country,
> I am not afflicted with SAD, ennui, or any other ridiculous
> and gloomy world-view. I DO want to spend the rest of my
> life productive, healthy, life-affirming and caring for
> fluffy & cute baby animals.
so you drink jack daniels cane juice, and skip the high quality
stuff. well good for you.
>: yeah, but even sexual friggin intercourse can give you cancer:
>: does that mean you use an inflatable plastic DOLLLY ?
> As you will be the one who will be suffering and not me,
> I will have to admit, yes it was quite worth it. Could
> I also interest you in your cultivating a little 'crack'
> addiction, that you might find 'well worth it' too ?
hey babes, we are talking here about a few years (if any !)
difference in life span, not suicide. typical for a yank,
to compare the effects of whiskey drinking (for which i would like
to see some hard data yet !) to killing once self with drugs.
>: > So ? The Romans had culture too, but do you REALLY want to
>: > bring back vomitoriums and gladiator fights ?
>: isn't that what YOU guys are doing ?
> Not at all, we may have a 'Palace of Caesars', along with
> a Vegas-style All-U-Can-Eat-for $2.99 deal at a Casino Restaurant,
> but believe you me, almost ALL people are too busy gambling
> to spend any time 'bingeing-and-purgin'.
Las Vegas has NOTHING to do with culture, so i wonder why you
drew that spot of dirt into the dixussion.
> And yes, we do have 'American Gladiators' but it is
> good wholesome entertainment with barely any blood
> spilled or shed.
ah yes, the surrogate world of yank life...
> Besides, I've seen YOUR competitors
> from England & Germany participating too, so don't
> try and get self-righteous about this one, Ignored.
traitors them all. but every country has them. remember CHER ?
> P.S. We usually kick their butts too, the losers!
well be proud of it. seems you like to watch it. at least
something of your intelligence level.
>: these are second cars for the spouses, or cars for city traffic.
> Liar! They are the car of choice for your lower classes that
> CAN'T afford a top-of-the-line Mercedes, BMW, etc. ect.
bull.
>: you know, our innercities do not look as if a H-bomb just blew
>: 50% of all the houses away:
> Neither do we. With our renewed economy and massive
> influx of the middle & upper classes back into our
> urban areas I think you will find that a lot of
> American real estate is high-priced and has new
> construction on it. This is true of my neighborhood
> and it's surrounding areas. Houses that sold for
> $35,000 ten years ago, now go for $200,000 and above.
still city centers look like grave yards, only hobos roam the
street. don't lie to me now, young man: I see them.
>: we have real streets with CURVES.
> Which probably were designed to be straight.
no, they were meant to have curves.
>: >: everybody in france drinks good wine,
>: > Soem of which is from California!
>: sure, sure. about 0.00000001% which means 1 bottle in 20 years.
> You seem so sure of these statistics [tm nemecStats],
> would you care to name your source, Ignored ?
leme see.... there it is.... Jahresbuch Deutscher Wein Kooperationen, 1994
Kapitel 20, Absatz 5. Oops. I lied. Gesammt volumen Deutsche Wein:
1.200.000 Hektoliter. Exportiert: 4.000.000 Hektoliter. Importiert,
Amerika: 40 Hektoliter.
>: >: everybody gets a decent plate of food (no genetically engineered
>: >: paper in our pasta !) at the end of the day (or at lunchtime for
>: >: that matter).
>: > For which you pay more than an American would pay for food.
>: quality costs money.
> Nonsense! You have the same battery-raised chickens
> that we do and you certainly pay MORE not less than us.
we earn more. besides, i'm a vegetaraian.
> BTW, I'd like to mention that it was U.S. agriculture
> that pioneered this, so again you Euro-peons owe us.
> and plenty.
thanks for nothing.
>: don't worry, your government gets its money too. besides, in every
>: store in the us you have to pay state tax too.
> Yes it does, but as it is but a mere percentage of some of the lowest
> food prices in the developed world it's barely worth mentioning.
> For example, for $20 (US) I can get from my local grocer:
> 2 lbs of Beef Loin ($2.40/lb)
> 2 lbs of Beef Strip Steak ($2.90/lb)
> 4 California avacados (0.80 ea)
> 2 heads California Romaine Lettuce (0.70/lb)
> ... and some other stuff I can't remember..
first you eat too much meat, that's unhealthy.
second, you eat ROMAIN lettuce with AVACADOS ?!?!
horrid. see, you guys have no taste.
>: > OTOH, that same $2000 spent is an INVESTMENT in something
>: > that won't get 'pissed away', so who really got the better deal ?
>
>: nope. you can't get drunk on jeans.
> The jeans will certainly outlast whatever hangover you
> might be 'enjoying' the next day ....
depends. most yanks shit their pants when they are drunk.
igor.
Scott Witherspoon
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia wrote:
>
> depends. most yanks shit their pants when they are drunk.
>
> igor.
Oh yes we do shit our pants when drunk, Igor.
You Euros hold it in therefore causing fecal matter
to absorb into the bloodsystem creating
horrible infections and toxins to destroy
the brain and body. Back-reading thru this
thread and you will see that I'm right.
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BACCHUS
n. A convenient deity invented by the ancients
as an excuse for getting drunk.
"Is public worship, then, a sin,
That for devotions paid to Bacchus
The lictors dare to run us in,
And resolutely thump and whack us?"
~~the devil's dictionary~~
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?@ @? Hi, I'm Gimp.
\~/ Eat me!
V
PuPPeTeer
Uncle Arthur wrote:
>
> This guy Menayan is so strange he hates every non-american country on
> earth except Isreal. He goes wild on newsgroups with his venomious
> chatter .He is either:
>
> a) A zionist American
>
> b) A typical American lackey for Isreali goverenment.
>
> He writes the most appaling things about the Muslims on the West Bank. I
> use to support Isreal but after getting a look deep into the mind of a
> Zionists like Menayan I feel really sorry for the Arabs living in
> Isreal.
>
> This is not an attack on Jews, just Zionists unlike Mr. Menayan and his
> ilk I can draw a differance.
>
> Jews gave the world people like Noam Chomsky and Alan Ginsberg and as an
> Irishman I have great respect for these men. What a pity the name of the
> Jewish people is tainted by a hateful Zionists like Mr. Menayan.
Congratulations. You have seen past Megashits exterior, directly into
his black, hate-filled little heart. He is a naturally evil little
scumbag. Of course, being part Jewish and supporting Isreal would be
reason for this. I don't really have anything against jews either, but I
do have plenty against the country Isreal, and the people who support
this corrupt and sad maggot-infested country.
The problem with Isreal is they don't like sharing, and also their word
means nothing. The government of Isreal have no honour, so I have no
respect for them.
Eisen Chao
Martin Kjellstrand (mart...@remove.oc.chalmers.se) wrote:
:
: In article <5jii45$l...@nntp.interaccess.com>, ec...@interaccess.com wrote:
:
: > No, but I probably would be blowing smoke outta
: > my 'arse' and/or other bodily orifaces.
: And how, pray tell, would this be any different from your present activities?
Well Martin, for one thing I probably wouldn't have a certain Swede
'Hanging on to my every word' (albeit selectively edited) ....
P.S. See what a nice guy I yam Martin ? I VOLUNTEERED
^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
to be your 'butt in this joke', eh ?
: --
: /Martin
: .sig? What .sig?
Scott
On 23 Apr 1997 16:39:21 GMT, un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de
(Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia) wrote:
God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
J. Neale
Let's not freedom to read and have a good
laugh at delusional rants such as this.
Uncle Authur <wa...@jerhico.fall> wrote in article
<3360E3...@jerhico.fall>...
>
> :I could go on....
>
> Freedom to burn 90+ men, women, and children because of religion at Waco
> Freedom to overthrow 25+ democratically elected government since WWII
> Freedom to not visit Cuba
> Freedom to have your nation crawling with spies (CIA, FBI, ATF, MOSAD)
> Freedom the let killers walk free (OJ)
> Freedom to be the only nation use nukes on innocent people
> Freedom to speed up exceutions to prove you are macho (Clinton)
> Freedom for only 5% of citizens to hold passport
> Freedom to lock up more people than China (1.5 million)
> Freedon to 400,000 Iraqi's for oil
> Freedom to have only right-wing parties
> Freedom to take care of Isreal through you imcome taxes
> Freedom to have never takening part in a electoral referndum
> Freedom to have you entire political system run by corporations
> Freedom to be complete suckers
>
> and most allŠ
>
> Freedom to live in a society so controlled by the corporate press you
> all too ignorant to know better.
>
> No I am sorry you Yanks are not that free just full of shit
>
Rainmaker
On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
> God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
> down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
> whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
Freedom to join the communist party, freedom to be beaten up by racist
policemen, freedom to belive in and follow a corrupt administration,
freedom to set your nation up as a shinig beacon for all the world to
follow without actually looking at the rotten core and finding it's all
based on bullshit....
I could go on....
Uncle Authur
Paul J. Ready
Uncle Authur <post-reply> wrote:
>
>Freedom to burn 90+ men, women, and children because of religion at Waco
Yeah, that's why...
>Freedom to overthrow 25+ democratically elected government since WWII
"democratically elected" in a fairly broad sense of the word....
You say this as if we're the only nation to have ever overthrown
another government.
>Freedom to not visit Cuba
Except for the part that we own;)
>Freedom to have your nation crawling with spies (CIA, FBI, ATF, MOSAD)
As opposed to what nation???
>Freedom the let killers walk free (OJ)
Name a place where the guilty are always punshed and the innocent never
are. This is one (very high profile) murder trial.... I do agree that
our legal system needs to be changed, and jury trials are the problem.
>Freedom to be the only nation use nukes on innocent people
Because we had them first. If someone else had them first
(Russia, Germany) they would have used them on innocent people.
It was kinda hard at the time to use them without using them on
innocent people, we couldn't aim well then. We won't be the only forever.
>Freedom for only 5% of citizens to hold passport
Everyone here can hold a passport, but when it takes 60 hours or so
to drive from one corner to the other, many people don't need them.
When the next country is only a few hours away, it's different.
>Freedom to speed up exceutions to prove you are macho (Clinton)
>Freedom to lock up more people than China (1.5 million)
Okay, we have a lot of fucks in this country, more than we can lock up.
Some of them we kill too, so what?
>Freedon to 400,000 Iraqi's for oil
You're missing a verb here, kill? Yeah, and we started that one.
Those Iraqi were millitary, and that's what happens in armed confilict.
How many nations participated in that action?
>Freedom to have only right-wing parties
Uhh, nope, there's a communist party and a couple of other left-wingers
around, it's just that no one cares.
>Freedom to take care of Isreal through you imcome taxes
Something that most people here support, maybe you ought to read
up on how representative democracy works. Other countries give out
a lot of foreign aid too.
>Freedom to have never takening part in a electoral referndum
On the national level? Rare if ever. There are plenty of referendums
in CA every election, and most other states have them. Again, that's
what a representative democracy is.
>Freedom to have you entire political system run by corporations
Entire? Sounds like you have the freedom to use hyperbole. For that
matter, I wouldn't mind entirely if every government were replaced by
multinational corps, it would put a good dent in isolationism, ignorance,
bigotry, and war. Besides, that applies to other political systems
as well.
>Freedom to be complete suckers
That's a basic human right
>
>and most allŠ
>
>Freedom to live in a society so controlled by the corporate press you
>all too ignorant to know better.
Hmm, all??? Nope, try again. Maybe you've been reading too many
newspapers or watching too much TV if you think that. For that matter,
is that worse than GOVERNMENT press that many countries still have?
Most of these things you have said have little to do with the
condition of freedom. They are criticisms of our society, and
some of them I see your point. But you seem to have the freedom
to use high profile media examples to set broad based generalizations
upon.
Jason
In article <don't-2504971...@bic4.sri.com>,
don't...@bother.spamming.net (Jason) wrote:
> In article <3360E3...@jerhico.fall>, post-reply wrote:
>
> > Freedom to live in a society so controlled by the corporate press you
> > all too ignorant to know better.
> >
> > No I am sorry you Yanks are not that free just full of shit
>
> Freedom to post anonymously so we don't know where your tired ass is from,
> so we can't lodge hundreds of similar complaints about your country.
Oh, I just read in a subsequent post that you are Irish. I should have
known from the anti-Israeli and pro-communist (although you and I well
know that the communist party exists in the U.S., but most people don't
care for it) sentiment of your claims.
Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an abortion!
Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be bombed!
Freedom to express both pro-IRA-terrorism and pacifism sentiments in the
same breath!
Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world (see
the first two freedoms for reason)!
Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the Deutschmark!
Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
Freedom to think that the rest of the world really gives a shit that
northern Ireland is not part of your country!
Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no acceptable reason!
Freedom to think that the Palestinians love you because you taught them
the "art" of terrorism!
Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of a
divorce (until a few years ago)!
Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you emulate
them in every way!
Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
--
Jason V. Menayan
San Francisco, California, USA
Per Hult
On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:54:28 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic
<tjmi...@nwark.com> wrote:
>Rainmaker wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
>>
>> > God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
>> > down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
>> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
>>
>> Freedom to join the communist party,
>
>That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
>50's.
>
Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
(supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
ago.
That is fucking hysterical.
Per Hult
_________________________________________________________
I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.
_________________________________________________________
~Spark The Heretic
Rainmaker wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
>
> > down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
>
That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
50's.
> I could go on....
Do.
--
TJ "Spark" Miller jr.
Spark's Comprehensive Guide to Flame
http://www.users.nwark.com/~tjmiller/index.html
----------------------------------------------------
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until you can find a rock
-Wynn Catlin
Steven G. O'Connell
Paul J. Ready wrote:
>
> Uncle Authur <post-reply> wrote:
> >
> >Freedom to burn 90+ men, women, and children because of religion at Waco
>
> Yeah, that's why...
>
> >Freedom to overthrow 25+ democratically elected government since WWII
>
> "democratically elected" in a fairly broad sense of the word....
> You say this as if we're the only nation to have ever overthrown
> another government.
>
> >Freedom to not visit Cuba
>
> Except for the part that we own;)
>
> >Freedom to have your nation crawling with spies (CIA, FBI, ATF, MOSAD)
>
> As opposed to what nation???
>
> >Freedom the let killers walk free (OJ)
>
First off, I'm a yank...irish-american second. I've been to Ireland and
love it. If I had my way, I'd move there forever.
I feel many of the ills mentioned above are because of our Foreign
Policy. Many are quick to pounce on us when things are "peachy" in
there respective countries...but when there's a natural disaster or some
insane jackass decides he wants to invade your country who comes to your
aid? The United States of America. We've been bailing out other nations
since WW1. I think we should stop Foreign Aid completely...nada, zip,
ziltch...that way, we can feed the homeless and hungry right here at the
"rotten core" of our own society. If we took better care of our own,
we'd probably have a significantly lot less people in prison. I'm not
going to trash Europe, but I do recall a pints or so of U.S. blood was
shed trying to defend it some 50 + years ago. I'm not looking for a
payback, but a little respect is deemed worthy.
Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on anyone
but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world. Why don't you
guys try it for once? I for one don't want to die just so you guys are
able to buy jeans. I'll fight for my homeland, but no one elses.
All we get is trashed...look at the French!
Steven G. O'Connell
Alan Miles
Steven G. O'Connell wrote:
>
> Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on anyone
> but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world. Why don't you
> guys try it for once? I for one don't want to die just so you guys are
> able to buy jeans. I'll fight for my homeland, but no one elses.
> All we get is trashed...look at the French!
The US spends next to nothing abroad. What it does spend is almost all
to promote its interests.
~Spark The Heretic
Per Hult wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:54:28 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic
> <tjmi...@nwark.com> wrote:
>
> >Rainmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
> >>
> >> > God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
> >> > down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
> >> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
> >>
> >> Freedom to join the communist party,
> >
> >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
> >50's.
> >
> Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
> (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
> ago.
> That is fucking hysterical.
Maybe someone ought to bring on the definition of "acceptible", as
opposed to "legal".
Gad; are all you Borks this ignorant?
Clann na O'hOdhrain
Cat Weasle wrote:
>
> Per Hult (Per.Hu...@student.uu.se) wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:54:28 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic
> > <tjmi...@nwark.com> wrote:
>
> > >Rainmaker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
> > >> > down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
> > >> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
> > >>
> > >> Freedom to join the communist party,
> > >
> > >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
> > >50's.
> > >
> > Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
> > (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
> > ago.
> > That is fucking hysterical.
>
> Do not forget 'freedom of speech on the internet' so much so that their
> fucking congress has to pass laws banning the use of certain words via
> e-mail and news and closing all those excellent web sites like
> www.grotesque.com because they are considered too offensive etc. Wow! I mean
> so much freedom it's just unBOLevable!
>
> Regards,
>
> Weasle
>
> ==============================================================================
> The Weasle k93...@vulture.dcs.king.ac.uk
>
> "Remember, jealousy will get you nowhere!"
> ==============================================================================
Get your facts straight, you little weasel! A couple of right-wing
politicians decided they were going to try to censor the internet, and
they've (too this point) failed miserably. If you want to denigrate the
U.S., you should at least use facts.
Mike
Jason
> First off, I'm a yank...irish-american second. I've been to Ireland and
> love it. If I had my way, I'd move there forever.
What exactly is stopping you?
Jason
In article <33626992.480801402@news>, Per.Hu...@student.uu.se (Per
Hult) wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:54:28 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic
> <tjmi...@nwark.com> wrote:
>
> >Rainmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
> >>
> >> > God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
> >> > down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
> >> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
> >>
> >> Freedom to join the communist party,
> >
> >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
> >50's.
> >
> Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
> (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
> ago.
> That is fucking hysterical.
It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
Gerard Cunningham
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:42:09 -0800, don't...@bother.spamming.net (Jason)
wrote:
As they say in Connemara: "You can't eat the scenery." :)
-----
Gerard Cunningham abar...@bigfoot.com
http://www.icsp.net/users/abardubh/ibhp.html
"Slàinte is tàinte"
Uncle Arthur
Anybody in Ireland care to respond to this person? Please read on:
:Oh, I just read in a subsequent post that you are Irish. I should have
Barry Comerford
> :Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
Over 70% of people voted not to allow abortion in Ireland This is a
democracy and the views of the majority are catered for as in all
democratic countries.
> :Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
abortion!
This is a right women have in Ireland. So get your facts straight
> :Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be
> :bombed!
Where are you talking about I cannot remember any non-catholic been bombed
in the Republic of Ireland in the last 10 years. If you are talking about
N. Ireland then you are getting into a subject that is not just about
religion but about civil rights as well.
> :Freedom to express both pro-IRA-terrorism and pacifism sentiments in
> :the same breath!
I do not express any pro-IRA sentiments. I think what the have done for
the last 27 years is disgraceful as do most Irish people. And most Irish
people hold pacifist sentiments and why shouldn't they, war is needless in
all it's forms in the late 20th century as I hope most of the human race
has developed enough to understand that violance is not the answer.
> :Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
> :(see the first two freedoms for reason)!
This has no basis in fact at all in fact Ireland has one of the lowest
infant death rates in the world on par or lower than most western
countries.
> :Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the Deutschmark!
Our country has not seen the poverty of most Third world countries since
the time of the Famine in the mid 1800's. The money Ireland has recieved
from the EU has helped to develop Ireland's infrastructure to be on par
with other European countries, this is the reason it was given. We were
not in poverty in 1973 when we joined the European Union we were just less
developed than most of the other countries in western Europe at the time.
> :Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
I have no idea of what you are talking about.
> :Freedom to think that the rest of the world really gives a shit that
northern Ireland is not part of your country!
Most people in Eire or the republic of Ireland don't want N. Ireland to be
rejoined to Eire. It is the IRA and Sinn Fein who think the rest of the
world really gives a shit that northern Ireland is not part of Eire not
the Irish government or the Irish people.
> :Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no acceptable
> :reason!
How do you make out we are anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish. Tell me are all
Americans pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish.
> :Freedom to think that the Palestinians love you because you taught them
the "art" of terrorism!
Where did you get that impression.
> :Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of a
> :divorce (until a few years ago)!
You Americans enter into marrige way to lightly do the words "Death do us
part" not mean anything. When you marry you make a commitment which you
should honor for the rest of your life, I personally was glad divorce came
into Ireland as bad matchs can happen but again in 1983 the majority
voted against divorce and we do live in a democracy but last year the
majority voted in favor so now we have divorce, you could get legally
separeted in Ireland but not remarry until the law changed.
> :Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you
> :emulate them in every way!
I do not hate the Brits I hate bigots and idiots. I do not bitch about the
Brits. How do we emulate them please give the ways we do so I can answer
that.
> :Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
> :brought Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to
continental Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
Yes Irish monks and pilgrams did help to bring Catholicism back to
continental Europe. This happened to be over a thousand years ago. A
religion cannot be corrupt only people are corrupt there are corrupt jews
and muslims and believers in other christian religions. There is no such
thing as a corrupt religion. Religion is only words. People never need a
reason to attack someone else who is different they just use religion as a
reason they would do it anyway. A reason only lets them sleep at night.
Now as for you yourself please look at your own views about the world and
it's people in particular and then put yourself in their shoes and then
look again at you views it might wake you up a little.
Barry Comerford
Dublin
Ireland
Chris Hedley
In article <336519...@ameritech.net>,
Clann na O'hOdhrain <Clann...@ameritech.net> writes:
> you should at least use facts.
Do what?! This is the Internet, man - generally accepted as a fact-free
zone (oh bugger, that's blown it)
Chris.
~Spark The Heretic
Jason wrote:
>
> In article <33626992.480801402@news>, Per.Hu...@student.uu.se (Per
> Hult) wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:54:28 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic
> > <tjmi...@nwark.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Rainmaker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Scott wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
> > >> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
> > >>
> > >
> > >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
> > >50's.
> > >
> > Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
> > (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
> > ago.
> > That is fucking hysterical.
>
> It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
> Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
...or even communist for that matter.
Uncle Arthur
Jerry Jacuzio P090
>
> > In article <3360E3...@jerhico.fall>, post-reply wrote:
> >
> > > Freedom to live in a society so controlled by the corporate press you
> > > all too ignorant to know better.
- snip! Example of the rantings of an Irish Arse-Russler
> > Freedom to post anonymously so we don't know where your tired ass is from,
> > so we can't lodge hundreds of similar complaints about your country.
>
Uh, Oh here's come a compatriot nimrod!!!
> Oh, I just read in a subsequent post that you are Irish.
Jason, I think that that may be unfortunately true that our OOnkel is
Irish and for that Oonkel has broken my wee heart entirely..
- the pe'ist!!!
SO.. DO YOU have to be a total ass too?
WELL...
I... GUESS ...SO... you make a lovely couple (hands across the sea and
all that)
> Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
LET's NOT. LET's take all this why hate this and why hate that and send
it packing to some other forum!!!
IF you don't like Onkel just say it.. don't be slinging against an
ENTIRE nation of people you don't bloody know (how like Onkel).
SO now the list gets bigger:
1) politicians suck
2) Uncle Authur sucks
3) and yes, now you suck, too
4) and countries because they're filled with asses like you and Onkel
- and are run by politicians suck big time.
Gee, I glad we got that settled.
Now bugger off,
JEr
Or maybe it's just a hate/love thing and you boyz just need to kiss and
make up.
> Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
> Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an abortion!
> Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be bombed!
> Freedom to express both pro-IRA-terrorism and pacifism sentiments in the
> same breath!
> Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world (see
> the first two freedoms for reason)!
> Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the Deutschmark!
> Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
> everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
Yeah, Yeah , YEah snip
like snip somethin' else off.. (my fellow c_nt-ryman)
> Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
> Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
> Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:28:40 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost self-control and said:
>> > >> > God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can all
>> > >> > down on America,
isn't that bargoons for a blow job ? no thanks !
>> > >> >but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
>> > >> > whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when convenient!
>> > >> Freedom to join the communist party,
>> > >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
>> > >50's.
>> > Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
>> > (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
>> > ago. That is fucking hysterical.
>> It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
>> Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
>...or even communist for that matter.
hey great. yanks admitting that what THEY did in the past
is actually comparable to what the nazis did.
they are learning, slowly.
igor.
Bryan J. Maloney
In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.970429...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,
Martin Hanna <admn...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> What a dumb ignorant person you are. Until you know something about
> Ireland, please keep your woefully ignorant comments to yourself. Whatever
> opinions you expressed in other newsgroups, you really have shown yourself
> up for what you are. Perhaps you should go to alt.clueless.americans.
BURP!
I will have to agree that it was quite a bit to swallow. Then again, that
guy probably thinks of going to Canada as "world travel"...
Jason
In article <336657...@jericho.com>, post-response-relevant-newsgroup wrote:
> This guy Menayan is so strange he hates every non-american country on
> earth except Isreal. He goes wild on newsgroups with his venomious
> chatter .He is either:
>
> a) A zionist American
Oh, please save it. You're Irish, so of course you're anti-Zionist. I
have met dozens of Irishmen, and not a single one I've met hasn't expressed
anti-Zionism sentiments like you. (If you can find one that is not, I'd
love to meet him/her, so that my faith in your people can be redeemed.)
BTW, I'm not Jewish, so in that sense I can't be Zionist....but that really
doesn't matter to you, does it?
I hate all non-American countries? You Europeans really think that you
*are* the world. When I have I expressed any negative sentiments towards
any non-European country? Are you aware that countries exist, and that
people live, outside Europe?
Jason
> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
>
> > Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
> >
> > Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
> > Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an abortion!
> > Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be bombed!
(snip)
> > Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
> > Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
> > Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
> What a dumb ignorant person you are. Until you know something about
> Ireland, please keep your woefully ignorant comments to yourself. Whatever
> opinions you expressed in other newsgroups, you really have shown yourself
> up for what you are. Perhaps you should go to alt.clueless.americans.
Quid pro quo, Martin. Did you condemn the Irishman for making just as many
inane comments about Americans, or, since you are also "woefully ignorant"
and express similar sentiments about Americans, they're okay? Perhaps you
should go to alt.hypocritical.bigots.
> So sad....
Indeed...
Jason
In article <5k5hqf$c...@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de (Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia)
wrote:
> >> It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
> >> Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
>
> >...or even communist for that matter.
>
> hey great. yanks admitting that what THEY did in the past
> is actually comparable to what the nazis did.
> they are learning, slowly.
Yes, you are right, Igor. There are NO Americans that, until this day,
have admitted that the McCarthy era was disgusting, and that Native
Americans were murdered. YOU have brought this knowledge to us, and forced
us to face our contemptible past. And for that, we are eternally grateful.
Spasibo, Igor, Spasibo horosho!
Jason
In article <33664A...@nortel.ca>, Jerry Jacuzio P090
<jac...@nortel.ca> wrote:
> Jason, I think that that may be unfortunately true that our OOnkel is
> Irish and for that Oonkel has broken my wee heart entirely..
> - the pe'ist!!!
> SO.. DO YOU have to be a total ass too?
Mr. Jacuzzi,
I have to admit that reading your post was a bit of a puzzle, deciphering
transcripted slang and phonetic alterations of names. But I enjoy that
too, so I don't mind.
Jason
P.S. I love your namesake invention! I especially like it when the
water's warm and the jets are running...
~Spark The Heretic
One very confused Igor Strichjungekunstsheisseundalsosprachpoofter
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:28:40 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost self-control and said:
>
> >> > >> Freedom to join the communist party,
>
> >> > >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
> >> > >50's.
>
> >> > Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
> >> > (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
> >> > ago. That is fucking hysterical.
>
> >> It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
> >> Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
>
> >...or even communist for that matter.
>
> hey great. yanks admitting that what THEY did in the past
> is actually comparable to what the nazis did.
*ahem* bitte wiederlesen das Post
(re-read the post, kiddo. )
I was referring to the Nazi's distaste for communists in addition to the
gypsies, slavs, Jews, et al.
Rob Worsnop
On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:45:58 -0800, don't...@bother.spamming.net (Jason)
wrote:
>Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
>
>Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
>Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an abortion!
>Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be bombed!
>Freedom to express both pro-IRA-terrorism and pacifism sentiments in the
>same breath!
>Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world (see
>the first two freedoms for reason)!
>Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the Deutschmark!
>Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
>everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
>Freedom to think that the rest of the world really gives a shit that
>northern Ireland is not part of your country!
>Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no acceptable reason!
>Freedom to think that the Palestinians love you because you taught them
>the "art" of terrorism!
>Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of a
>divorce (until a few years ago)!
>Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you emulate
>them in every way!
>Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
>Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
>Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
>--
You're a bit of an idiot aren't you?
Rob.
Jason
Rob,
If you're incapable of reading my post within the context of the thread,
then just ignore it.
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:44:02 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost self-control and said:
>> >> > >> Freedom to join the communist party,
>> >> > >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
>> >> > >50's.
>> >> > Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
>> >> > (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
>> >> > ago. That is fucking hysterical.
>> >> It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
>> >> Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
>> >...or even communist for that matter.
>> hey great. yanks admitting that what THEY did in the past
>> is actually comparable to what the nazis did.
>*ahem* bitte wiederlesen das Post
DON'T even ATTEMPT to speak a foreign language, yankee boy.
it's ALWAYS a gun that backfires.
>(re-read the post, kiddo. )
i did.
>I was referring to the Nazi's distaste for communists in addition to the
>gypsies, slavs, Jews, et al.
yeah. and compared it to the absence of political freedom in the US.
So ?
igor.
Rainmaker
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
> > >
> > > Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
> > > Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an abortion!
> > > Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be bombed!
> (snip)
> > > Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
> > > Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
> > > Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
I think the point is this: America claims to be the 'land of the free',
the hypocrisy of which prompted my first post. I did not, however, claim
that Europe was any better. We all have our skeletons in our collective
national closets, but we don't brag about being a haven for the sick,
poor, lonely masses, huddled or otherwise.
Besides, the 'freedoms of Ireland' that you quote above are the result of
bigoted papist *religion*, whereas the hypocrisy in America lies in the
constitution and the Declaration of independance. "We hold these truths
to be self-evident: that all men are created free (except commies, blacks
and native americans and any other oddities we decide to pick on)". I
think that was what Jefferson really meant.
(before anyone gets picky, I know communism hadn't been invented when the
Declaration was written, but you get my drift)
Martin Hanna
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.970429...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,
> Martin Hanna <admn...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
> > >
> > > Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
> > > Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an abortion!
> > > Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be bombed!
> (snip)
> > > Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
> > > Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
> > > Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
> >
> > What a dumb ignorant person you are. Until you know something about
> > Ireland, please keep your woefully ignorant comments to yourself. Whatever
> > opinions you expressed in other newsgroups, you really have shown yourself
> > up for what you are. Perhaps you should go to alt.clueless.americans.
>
>
> Quid pro quo, Martin. Did you condemn the Irishman for making just as many
> inane comments about Americans, or, since you are also "woefully ignorant"
> and express similar sentiments about Americans, they're okay? Perhaps you
> should go to alt.hypocritical.bigots.
Stop trying to excuse your ignorant rant by blaming someone else! I didnt
read the comment from some Irish poster. I dont need to. All I need to do
is reply to your rant as it stands. It would be illogical to say all men
are rapists if a woman is raped by a man. Yet you still find, according to
one Irish poster, to say:
"Oh, I just read ... you are Irish. I should have known from the
anti-Israeli and pro-communist ... sentiment of your claims."
Since when are the Irish anti-Israeli and pro-communist???????????????????
This is surely the SCI Most Ignorant Fact of the Month! Please give me any
evidence to back up this ignorant statement. Dont waffle around, dont say
what others have opined, give me the fact to back up your statement.
I doubt you have any facts to back that up.
Prove it!!!!!!! C'mon...Prove it!!!!!! You cant! Cause you're wrong!
You even try to smear me by saying that I "express similar sentiments
about Americans", referring to the other Irish poster you mention. I think
you'll find I made some comments about two clowns who had expressed
ignorant comments (not as bad as yours I must admit). I think the US is a
great country, have many friends and relatives there, and visit it when I
can. You think all irish are anti-Israeli and Pro-communists!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unbelievable!!!!!!! So ignorant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Martin.
>
> > So sad....
>
> Indeed...
>
>
Hamish Macbeth
In article <3365E4...@jericho.com>, Uncle Arthur <wa...@jericho.com>
writes
>Anybody in Ireland care to respond to this person? Please read on:
>
>:Oh, I just read in a subsequent post that you are Irish. I should have
>:known from the anti-Israeli and pro-communist (although you and I well
>:know that the communist party exists in the U.S., but most people don't
>:care for it) sentiment of your claims.
>
>
>:Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
>:Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
>:abortion!
>:Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be
>:bombed!
>:same breath!
>:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
>:(see
>:the first two freedoms for reason)!
>:Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the
>:Deutschmark!
>:Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
>:everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
>:northern Ireland is not part of your country!
>:Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no acceptable
>:reason!
>:Freedom to think that the Palestinians love you because you taught them
>:the "art" of terrorism!
>:Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of a
>:divorce (until a few years ago)!
>:Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you
>:emulate
>:them in every way!
>:Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
>:Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
>:Jason V. Menayan
>:San Francisco, California, USA
Well yes, sure to be sure I do have a comment.
This Jason chap is too true. The Catholic church
has a great hold over Ireland. The Americans have
no idea what they are talking about, I wished they
would keep their noses out of our troubles. It's
something that England and Irelands leaders must
sort out, not the common people.
--
Hamish Macbeth
Ryan Meade
In article <3365E4...@jericho.com>, post-response-relevant-newsgroup wrote:
> Anybody in Ireland care to respond to this person?
I'll respond! Although I know I shouldn't...
[Much nonsense deleted]
> :Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
> :everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
This is probably a fair comment. We could probably do with a dose of humility.
> :Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of a
> :divorce (until a few years ago)!
Until just this year in fact!
> :Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you
> :emulate them in every way!
Now that's just not true.
> :Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
> :brought
> :Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
> :Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
Actually it was Christianity. As you may have heard, many of those
continental nations are now largely protestant. Oh, you hadn't heard
that? Does that mean you're ignorant? Surely not.
Cheese Doggy Dog
In <3365E4...@jericho.com> Uncle Arthur <wa...@jericho.com> writes:
>Anybody in Ireland care to respond to this person? Please read on:
>:Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
Yes lets
>:Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
Funilly enough most poeple in this country find the idea of
killing an unborn child abhorrent , can't imagine why!
I say MOST people cos a majority voted against the Abortion
referendum!
>:Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
>:abortion!
Actually we do!
>:Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to be
>:bombed!
ehhhh a bomb hasn't gone off in the Republic of ireland since the
1970's unless i miss my guess.And as regards the North RUC and
British army are the usual poor sods who end up on the receiving
end of a bomb.Be they Catholic OR Protestant
>:Freedom to express both pro-IRA-terrorism and pacifism sentiments in
>:the
>:same breath!
Ehhhh where did you get an idea like that???The only people with
enough cheek to even try that are Sinn Fein but even then they're
scum and they try to distance themselves from attrocoties as much
as possible
>:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
>:(see
>:the first two freedoms for reason)!
I hate to correct someone who is obviously so well informed but
it's actually the lowest!
>:Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the
>:Deutschmark!
Before we went into the E.U our ecomony was that of a first world
country (granted not a hugly wealthy one),and with the funds that
have been recieved from the E.U's regional development funds
our infrastructure and job creation has gotten a big boost such that
now our economy in the middle of a boom to rival any other in the
world
>:Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when really
>:everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you are!
Where on earth did you get an idea like that?
>:Freedom to think that the rest of the world really gives a shit that
>:northern Ireland is not part of your country!
Hardly , I dont give shit either!
If the North becomes part of our country WE have to pay higher taxes
in order to fund the Irish army's involvement in security up there!
(ie:to stop them all from killing each other AND us)
>:Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no acceptable
>:reason!
Where did this Anti-semetic lark come into the equation , it seems to
me that you're the one with a problem with Israeli's and the Jewish
people
>:Freedom to think that the Palestinians love you because you taught them
>:the "art" of terrorism!
Have you been smoking some weird shit???
This barely deserves a response.
And by the way if you knew your facts you'd know that it was and
still is the Libyans who run them terrorist training camps,
and that they in fact taught the Palestinians & IRA etc etc etc the
"art" of terrorism!
>:Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of a
>:divorce (until a few years ago)!
Unfortunatly unlike yourselves over in America we DONT marry someone
as soon as we jump into bed with them , you see people over here
try to take the marriage vows at least a tad seriously!
A national quirk i'm afraid!
>:Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you
>:emulate
>:them in every way!
Thats possibly one of the most ridiculous statements you've come out
with (and believe me you've had some real beauties) , we get on very
well with the British , in fact most of the Irish emmigrants over the
last few years have gone over the England!
Most Irish people watch British channels such as BBC,ITV and C4 etc
Most Irish people support English football teams ie.Liverpoole ,man
utd or even arsenal(Boring boring Arsenal)! etc etc etc!
>:Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
>:brought
>:Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
>:Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
A few points of order here:
a)It is the people who practice it NOT the religion that is corrupt,
be they Catholic,Protestant,Muslim,jewish or Islamic!
b)Unless you know something that I dont , The rest of europe is
heavily protestant , it comes from a period called the Reformation
You might have heard of it , one of the biggest upheavels in the
catholic church?
>--
>:Jason V. Menayan
>:San Francisco, California, USA
Well Jason either you were just taking the piss or you are one of
the most uninfomred ignorent Tulips in the world!
You rank i reckon along with other more notable uninformed tulips
such as Dan Quale who is quoted as saying "I would like to speak to
the people of latin america in their native language , which is latin"
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Reality is merely an illusion caused by lack of alcohol
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Martin Hanna
On 1 May 1997, Cheese Doggy Dog wrote:
> >:From Jason V. Menayan
> >:Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
<snip>
>
> >:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
> >:(see
> >:the first two freedoms for reason)!
> I hate to correct someone who is obviously so well informed but
> it's actually the lowest!
***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
* A Classic Jason Menayan Ignorant Rant *
***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
* *
* About Ireland he said: *
* "Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world" *
* The Facts (CIA): *
* Ireland - Infant mortality rate: 7.40 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
* USA - Infant mortality rate: 8.11 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
* China - Infant mortality rate: 52.1 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
* India - Infant mortality rate: 78.4 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
* *
* Ignorance Rate - 100% *
* *
***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
Martin.
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Steven G. O'Connell wrote:
>
> First off, I'm a yank...irish-american second. I've been to Ireland and
> love it. If I had my way, I'd move there forever.
Is there some new law that says you can't leave?
~Spark The Heretic
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:44:02 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost self-control and said:
>
> >> >> > >> Freedom to join the communist party,
>
> >> >> > >That's been perfectly acceptable since McCarthy got busted back in the
> >> >> > >50's.
>
> >> >> > Ohh that's great, in the land of the free, Political freedom
> >> >> > (supposedly allowed by the constitution) wasn't available 50 years
> >> >> > ago. That is fucking hysterical.
>
> >> >> It wasn't available at around the same time being Jewish, gypsy, gay or
> >> >> Slav were crimes punishable by death in Europe...
>
> >> >...or even communist for that matter.
>
> >> hey great. yanks admitting that what THEY did in the past
> >> is actually comparable to what the nazis did.
>
> >*ahem* bitte wiederlesen das Post
>
> DON'T even ATTEMPT to speak a foreign language, yankee boy.
> it's ALWAYS a gun that backfires.
How does one "speak" on usenet anyway? Anyway...except for whatever
troubles you may have with the Swiss dialect of Hochdeutsch, backfiring
isn't a worry of mine. I actually think through what I want to say
before I go and translate it anyway...sorry, but I just can't say the
same for you...
> >(re-read the post, kiddo. )
>
> i did.
Let's see how well you did, then.
> >I was referring to the Nazi's distaste for communists in addition to the
> >gypsies, slavs, Jews, et al.
>
> yeah. and compared it to the absence of political freedom in the US.
There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
beliefs in the US.
Not ever.
--
TJ "Spark" Miller jr.
Spark's Comprehensive Guide to Flame
http://www.users.nwark.com/~tjmiller/index.html
----------------------------------------------------
Scott Hillard
Barry Comerford wrote:
>
> > :Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
That's what happens when you let a bunch of zombie cultists run the country.
> Over 70% of people voted not to allow abortion in Ireland This is a
> democracy and the views of the majority are catered for as in all
> democratic countries.
You're living in a fantasy world - and democracy is not about allowing the likes of you
to crush basic human rights because you (mistakenly) believe your God disapproves of
them.
> > :Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
> abortion!
> This is a right women have in Ireland. So get your facts straight
Providing they can afford it. What happened to that teenage rape victim who wanted to
do this? Your kind of scum wasn't prepared to allow her an abortion in Ireland.
Beats me how you can sleep at night.
> > :Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
> > :(see the first two freedoms for reason)!
> This has no basis in fact at all in fact Ireland has one of the lowest
> infant death rates in the world on par or lower than most western
> countries.
Liar.
Iceland, Germany, Scotland, France, Denmark, Singapore, Sweden and Switzerland all have
infant mortality rates much lower than Ireland (Eire).
If not for certain ethnic minorities, Australia and the US would also have lower rates.
As it is, Australia is on par with Eire.
> > :Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
> > :brought Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to
> continental Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
> Yes Irish monks and pilgrams did help to bring Catholicism back to
> continental Europe. This happened to be over a thousand years ago. A
> religion cannot be corrupt only people are corrupt there are corrupt jews
> and muslims and believers in other christian religions.
Jews and Muslims never burned you lot - corrupt or not.
Scott Hillard
Cheese Doggy Dog wrote:
> >:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
> >:(see>:the first two freedoms for reason)!
It's actually one of the highest in the first world.
> I hate to correct someone who is obviously so well informed but
> it's actually the lowest!
Bzzzzzt. Lie.
Mark Allen Framness
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Rainmaker <u952...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk> writes:
:>
:>Besides, the 'freedoms of Ireland' that you quote above are the result of
:>constitution and the Declaration of independance. "We hold these truths
:>to be self-evident: that all men are created free (except commies, blacks
:>and native americans and any other oddities we decide to pick on)". I
It says no such thing. This is why we need to get the government out of the
lives of people as much as possible!
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In <3368A4...@ozemail.com.au> Scott Hillard <shil...@ozemail.com.au> writes:
>Barry Comerford wrote:
>>
>> Over 70% of people voted not to allow abortion in Ireland This is a
>> democracy and the views of the majority are catered for as in all
>> democratic countries.
>You're living in a fantasy world - and democracy is not about allowing the likes of you
>to crush basic human rights because you (mistakenly) believe your God disapproves of
>them.
So Scott , what you're saying is that you support the basic essence
of fascism where the majority DOESN'T count and we should all abide
be the vocal few , thats how the Nazi's came to power in germany!
People here don't dissapprove of abortion because a God says its
wrong , people dissapprove of it because they reckon it's wrong!
I voted FOR the abortion bill to pass incidently , I mightn't like
teh fact that it didn't get through but in a democracy that sort
of thing happens!
>> > :Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
>> abortion!
>> This is a right women have in Ireland. So get your facts straight
>Providing they can afford it. What happened to that teenage rape victim who wanted to
>do this? Your kind of scum wasn't prepared to allow her an abortion in Ireland.
You're talking about the Pro-Life group and fair enough they are WAY
over the top , they march around town standing outside fast food
places with pictures of terminated embryos which are rotten ,
however don't seek to brand everyone with that label , also there
were other reasons for her barring order onthat , like her age!
In general it is quite possible for ANYONE to go over and get an
abortion , it isn't hugely expensive and only those on the lowest
level of the class system mightb't be able to afford it , but
could they afford it even if there was a clinic here?
>Beats me how you can sleep at night.
>> > :Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
>> > :brought Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to
>> continental Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>> Yes Irish monks and pilgrams did help to bring Catholicism back to
>> continental Europe. This happened to be over a thousand years ago. A
>> religion cannot be corrupt only people are corrupt there are corrupt jews
>> and muslims and believers in other christian religions.
>Jews and Muslims never burned you lot - corrupt or not.
Like the previous guy you are here assuming that the religion is
corrupt , its PEOPLE that are corrupt you fool!Fair enough the
catholic religion hasn't had a too sparkling past but thats because
some of the people who have practiced it have been very zealous
and that happens in EVERY religion , i refer your attention to
the current conflict in Algeria I think it is where over 300,000
people have been murdered as a result of Islamic fundamentalists
The list of things likethat van be applied to almost ALL religions!
So try to pry yourself away from your tunnel vision view of things!
Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia
On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost self-control and said:
>There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
>kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
>beliefs in the US.
>Not ever.
> TJ "Spark" Miller jr.
well. i guess that says it all. if you actually believe this:
welcome to 1997.
igor.
Jerry Jacuzio P090
Bryan J. Maloney wrote:
>
> In article <5kcjm0$c...@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
> un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de (Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia)
Dear Spark,
I'm a fellow Yank and the reason I gotta see threads like:
Why people hate yanks...
Well, is because this country has an abundance of people who don't know
or won't admit the shite that happened and continues to happened.
(in.. this .. Great Land... (why do I always see that arse Richard Nixon
when I hear that line?)
Is America a Great Nation? - I say Ballocks - no better than any other.
The problem is we do have ignorant sods waving the flag in everybody
face - all the time spouting the 'my underwear is super super clean'
routine.
Cops are cops, politicians are politicians and who's ever drinking the
champagne will do anything (*anything*) to keep the status quo as is.
America, Poland - whatever.
Not ever?
> > >There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
> > >kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
> > >beliefs in the US.
You sure you don't mean Mars?!!
The civil rights movement (were you around then Sparks??!!! Let me tell
ya it wasn't pretty - and, gol---ly, it weren't long ago! How could you
miss that?)
Or Joe McCarthy??!!! If you were lucky you only lost the means to
support your family.
Or that dangerous drag-queen, Hoover!
Sorry, compadre - that's just the way it is. Plenty of people got jailed
and hosed in the country for their views.
Get your facts straight if you're going to bandy against the world as an
American representative.
Jer
Paul J. Ready
Martin Hanna <admn...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> >:From Jason V. Menayan
>> >:Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
>
>> >:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world
>> >:(see the first two freedoms for reason)!
>***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
>* A Classic Jason Menayan Ignorant Rant *
>***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
>* *
>* About Ireland he said: *
>* "Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the world" *
>* The Facts (CIA): *
>* Ireland - Infant mortality rate: 7.40 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
>* USA - Infant mortality rate: 8.11 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
>* China - Infant mortality rate: 52.1 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
>* India - Infant mortality rate: 78.4 deaths/1,000 live births (1994) *
>* *
>* Ignorance Rate - 100% *
Speaking of ignorance.... do you know what the word "infanticide" means?
Here's a couple of hints: Infant: Baby -cide: kill
Here's another hint: kill != die (or ~= or <> in other languages)
Still fumbling? Webster's Revised Unabridged
Infanticide (Page: 758)
In*fan"ti*cide (?), n. [L. infanticidium child murder; infans, -antis,
child + caedere to kill: cf. F. infanticide. See Infant, and Homicide.]
The murder of an infant born alive; the murder or killing of a newly
born or young child; child murder.
Infanticide (Page: 758)
In*fan"ti*cide, n. [L. infanticida: cf. F. infanticide.] One who
commits the crime of infanticide; one who kills an infant.
Jason
In article <336A73...@ukonline.co.uk>, Dave Kingdon
<dave.k...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > Well Jason either you were just taking the piss or you are one of
> > the most uninfomred ignorent Tulips in the world!
> > You rank i reckon along with other more notable uninformed tulips
> > such as Dan Quale who is quoted as saying "I would like to speak
> to
> > the people of latin america in their native language , which is
> latin"
> >
>
> Heheheh! Well done!
> Suck on that, Jason!
Quayle, not Quale, and yes, we all know he was an idiot. BTW, not to
defend him, but that above quote is a bit of urban folklore, nothing else.
(He's said plenty of other stupid things, though.)
Hehehehehe...heh............heh....................ahem...
Dave Kingdon
Scott wrote:
On 23 Apr 1997 16:39:21 GMT,
un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de
(Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia) wrote:
>On 22 Apr 1997 14:31:33 GMT, Eisen Chao lost self-control and said:
>
>>: I'm reeeeaaaally disappointed in you, Eisen. your answers to
>>: my mail are full of self-contradictions, lame answers and
>>: crooked arguments. weel. my own fault i guess, trying to be
>>: reasonable with a yank.
>
>> Your personal perception so maybe you should blame yourself,
Sperm.
>
>well. anyway. this answer today was much funnier. congrats.
>long way to go yet, but... where there is a will there's a road.
>
>lots and lots deleted.
>
>>: > But it was AMERICA that created the first televised
>>: > comedy shows, not some impoverished, bombed-out
>>: > Euro-Peons who didn't even have a pot to piss in.
>
>>: well, and happy congrats to you then, for the CRAP you
>>: have to watch all day. jus name me ONE funny american.
>
>> ALL AMERICANS, "Pal".
>
>i didn't mean funny in the sense of guys who run into
>goalposts during the world championship soccer, or fat yank
>women meandering through the streets of heidelberg
>gacking lahk ducks, or bill clinton blurting shit again...
>no, i mean people who do actual JOKES *ON PURPOSE*.
>Sure, all americans ARE funny. but i hardly think they
>know how much we laugh about them, now do they ?
>
>>: >: i seriously can't regard your sexless, canned laughter
flooded,
>>: >: dumbwit sitcoms (The Bundies !) as humour, i'm sorry.
>>: >: or were you refering to CNN ? that's comedy alright.
>
>>: > You are refering to the export version of our programs
>>: > of course.
>
>>: No, I wasn't. i actually visited your beautiful country
>>: on a number of occassions, watched television AND survived.
>
>> Not a true indication of our country's vast offering of
>> T.V. entertainment. You probably were not fortunate
>> enough to have CABLE or SATELLITE.
>
>sure i was. hilton, rennaisance, hyatt. them places all
>have cable.
>
>>: >: >: 4. *real* whiskey, the malt stuff, not the blended shite
>>: >: > Carcinogenic
>>: >: WHAT ?
>
>>: > That's right. C-A-R-C-I-N-O-G-E-N-I-C.
>
>>: i heard you. but be seriuos: W-H-O C-A-R-E-S ?
>
>> I do. As I do not live in a Euro-Peon shit-hole-of-a-country,
>> I am not afflicted with SAD, ennui, or any other ridiculous
>> and gloomy world-view. I DO want to spend the rest of my
>> life productive, healthy, life-affirming and caring for
>> fluffy & cute baby animals.
>
>so you drink jack daniels cane juice, and skip the high quality
>stuff. well good for you.
>
>>: yeah, but even sexual friggin intercourse can give you cancer:
>>: does that mean you use an inflatable plastic DOLLLY ?
>
>> As you will be the one who will be suffering and not me,
>> I will have to admit, yes it was quite worth it. Could
>> I also interest you in your cultivating a little 'crack'
>> addiction, that you might find 'well worth it' too ?
>
>hey babes, we are talking here about a few years (if any !)
>difference in life span, not suicide. typical for a yank,
>to compare the effects of whiskey drinking (for which i would like
>to see some hard data yet !) to killing once self with drugs.
>
>>: > So ? The Romans had culture too, but do you REALLY want to
>>: > bring back vomitoriums and gladiator fights ?
>
>>: isn't that what YOU guys are doing ?
>
>> Not at all, we may have a 'Palace of Caesars', along with
>> a Vegas-style All-U-Can-Eat-for $2.99 deal at a Casino
Restaurant,
>> but believe you me, almost ALL people are too busy gambling
>> to spend any time 'bingeing-and-purgin'.
>
>Las Vegas has NOTHING to do with culture, so i wonder why you
>drew that spot of dirt into the dixussion.
>
>> And yes, we do have 'American Gladiators' but it is
>> good wholesome entertainment with barely any blood
>> spilled or shed.
>
>ah yes, the surrogate world of yank life...
>
>> Besides, I've seen YOUR competitors
>> from England & Germany participating too, so don't
>> try and get self-righteous about this one, Ignored.
>
>traitors them all. but every country has them. remember CHER ?
>
>> P.S. We usually kick their butts too, the losers!
>
>well be proud of it. seems you like to watch it. at least
>something of your intelligence level.
>
>>: these are second cars for the spouses, or cars for city traffic.
>
>> Liar! They are the car of choice for your lower classes that
>> CAN'T afford a top-of-the-line Mercedes, BMW, etc. ect.
>
>bull.
>
>>: you know, our innercities do not look as if a H-bomb just blew
>>: 50% of all the houses away:
>
>> Neither do we. With our renewed economy and massive
>> influx of the middle & upper classes back into our
>> urban areas I think you will find that a lot of
>> American real estate is high-priced and has new
>> construction on it. This is true of my neighborhood
>> and it's surrounding areas. Houses that sold for
>> $35,000 ten years ago, now go for $200,000 and above.
>
>still city centers look like grave yards, only hobos roam the
>street. don't lie to me now, young man: I see them.
>
>>: we have real streets with CURVES.
>
>> Which probably were designed to be straight.
>
>no, they were meant to have curves.
>
>>: >: everybody in france drinks good wine,
>
>>: > Soem of which is from California!
>
>>: sure, sure. about 0.00000001% which means 1 bottle in 20 years.
>
>> You seem so sure of these statistics [tm nemecStats],
>> would you care to name your source, Ignored ?
>
>leme see.... there it is.... Jahresbuch Deutscher Wein
Kooperationen, 1994
>Kapitel 20, Absatz 5. Oops. I lied. Gesammt volumen Deutsche Wein:
>1.200.000 Hektoliter. Exportiert: 4.000.000 Hektoliter. Importiert,
>Amerika: 40 Hektoliter.
>
>>: >: everybody gets a decent plate of food (no genetically
engineered
>>: >: paper in our pasta !) at the end of the day (or at lunchtime
for
>>: >: that matter).
>
>>: > For which you pay more than an American would pay for food.
>
>>: quality costs money.
>
>> Nonsense! You have the same battery-raised chickens
>> that we do and you certainly pay MORE not less than us.
>
>we earn more. besides, i'm a vegetaraian.
>
>> BTW, I'd like to mention that it was U.S. agriculture
>> that pioneered this, so again you Euro-peons owe us.
>> and plenty.
>
>thanks for nothing.
>
>>: don't worry, your government gets its money too. besides, in
every
>>: store in the us you have to pay state tax too.
>
>> Yes it does, but as it is but a mere percentage of some of the
lowest
>> food prices in the developed world it's barely worth mentioning.
>> For example, for $20 (US) I can get from my local grocer:
>
>> 2 lbs of Beef Loin ($2.40/lb)
>> 2 lbs of Beef Strip Steak ($2.90/lb)
>> 4 California avacados (0.80 ea)
>> 2 heads California Romaine Lettuce (0.70/lb)
>> ... and some other stuff I can't remember..
>
>first you eat too much meat, that's unhealthy.
>second, you eat ROMAIN lettuce with AVACADOS ?!?!
>horrid. see, you guys have no taste.
>
>>: > OTOH, that same $2000 spent is an INVESTMENT in something
>>: > that won't get 'pissed away', so who really got the better
deal ?
>>
>>: nope. you can't get drunk on jeans.
>
>> The jeans will certainly outlast whatever hangover you
>> might be 'enjoying' the next day ....
>
>depends. most yanks shit their pants when they are drunk.
>
>igor.
>
God Bless America Land of the FREE!! thank you very much, you can
all
down on America, but at least we have some semblance of FREEDOM
whereas in most other nations freedom is offered only when
convenient!
If you think your nation is the only free nation, then you must look
around once in a while. Most of the world is as free as America, some
more so. Stop listening to all the lying bullshit on your TV [inferior
quality TV system anyway] and start learning the truth.
Fucking ignorance.
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Jason
In article <336A4E...@for.life>, ano...@for.life wrote:
> Remember that no American in history has ever experinced life in a
> democracy. The are not in a psition to definen the correctness of the
> democratic process as they have never been exposed to it.
>
> They live in a sudo-republic controlled by corporate special interests
> and foreign governments that uses mass media propaganda to control a
> poorly educated population to serve their Wall Sret masters.
Yes, we all lead a miserable life of sheeps. Get out while you can,
Anorak, and pray for us that were not so lucky!
Jason
In article <336A4E...@for.life>, ano...@for.life wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost
> self-control and said:
>
> >There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
> >kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
> >beliefs in the US.
>
>
> Oh my god this is astounding, does this guy really believe that. Most of
> the 1.5 million people locked up in Clinton's gulags are victims of the
> so called "war on drug" which is controlled by the state department and
> the CIA. They are in every sense political prisioners.
Really bad example. If you wanted to disprove his point, you weren't
successful.
Bryan J. Maloney
In article <5kcjm0$c...@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de (Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia)
> On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost
self-control and said:
>
> >There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
> >kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
> >beliefs in the US.
>
~Spark The Heretic
ANORAK wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost
> self-control and said:
>
> >There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
> >kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
> >beliefs in the US.
>
So name someone thrown in jail for speaking their mind in politics? Name
someone in the US who was jailed exclusively for criticizing the US
government. Just one name will do, and make it solid proof.
> Most of
> the 1.5 million people locked up in Clinton's gulags are victims of the
> so called "war on drug" which is controlled by the state department and
> the CIA. They are in every sense political prisioners.
They were selling, snorting, or processing actual narcotics, you
fool...Big difference from speaking your mind on the subject, or
organizing political activity to change public opinion on it.
Here, I'll point it out to you in simple detail:
Everyone knows from childhood that selling or using narcotics w/o
license will get you thrown in jail. Just like everyone knows that
possessing, selling, or using high-explosives w/o a license will bear
the same consequences.
You are perfectly free to discuss either of the two to your hearts'
content. You are also free to work within the legal system the same as
everyone else to make either of the two legal and acceptable for sale or
use w/o a license to do so.
ANORAK
On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost
self-control and said:
>There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
>kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
>beliefs in the US.
Oh my god this is astounding, does this guy really believe that. Most of
ANORAK
>Barry Comerford wrote:
>>
>> Over 70% of people voted not to allow abortion in Ireland This is a
>> democracy and the views of the majority are catered for as in all
>> democratic countries.
>You're living in a fantasy world - and democracy is not about allowing the likes of you
>to crush basic human rights because you (mistakenly) believe your God disapproves of
>them.
Remember that no American in history has ever experinced life in a
Jason
In article <336A3C...@nortel.ca>, Jerry Jacuzio P090
<jac...@nortel.ca> wrote:
> Dear Spark,
> I'm a fellow Yank and the reason I gotta see threads like:
> Why people hate yanks...
You purport to be a Yank, but you post from Canada and use words like
"shite", "bollocks," and "arse"??
Dave Kingdon
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
In article <3365E4...@jericho.com>, Uncle Arthur
<wa...@jericho.com>
writes
>Anybody in Ireland care to respond to this person? Please read on:
>
>:Oh, I just read in a subsequent post that you are Irish. I should
have
>:known from the anti-Israeli and pro-communist (although you and I
well
>:know that the communist party exists in the U.S., but most people
don't
>:care for it) sentiment of your claims.
>
>:Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
>
>:Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
>:Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
>:abortion!
>:Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to
be
>:bombed!
>:Freedom to express both pro-IRA-terrorism and pacifism sentiments
in
>:the
>:same breath!
>:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the
world
>:(see
>:the first two freedoms for reason)!
>:Freedom to have your country lifted out of the poverty by the
>:Deutschmark!
>:Freedom to proclaim that everyone on the planet loves you when
really
>:everyone is sick and tired of you talking about how wonderful you
are!
>:Freedom to think that the rest of the world really gives a shit
that
>:northern Ireland is not part of your country!
>:Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no
acceptable
>:reason!
>:Freedom to think that the Palestinians love you because you taught
them
>:the "art" of terrorism!
>:Freedom to stay married for the rest of eternity without a hope of
a
>:divorce (until a few years ago)!
>:Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you
>:emulate
>:them in every way!
>:Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
>:brought
>:Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to
continental
>:Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
>--
>:Jason V. Menayan
>:San Francisco, California, USA
Well yes, sure to be sure I do have a comment.
This Jason chap is too true. The Catholic church
has a great hold over Ireland. The Americans have
no idea what they are talking about, I wished they
would keep their noses out of our troubles. It's
something that England and Irelands leaders must
sort out, not the common people.
--
Hamish Macbeth
Spot on.
Uncle Authur
In article <336A4E...@for.life>, ano...@for.life wrote:
> Remember that no American in history has ever experinced life in a
> democracy. The are not in a psition to definen the correctness of the
> democratic process as they have never been exposed to it.
>
> They live in a sudo-republic controlled by corporate special interests
> and foreign governments that uses mass media propaganda to control a
> poorly educated population to serve their Wall Sret masters.
:Yes, we all lead a miserable life of sheeps. Get out while you can,
:Anorak, and pray for us that were not so lucky!
Nobody said you live horrible lives. But this is a fact that America is
not and never has been a democratic nation. The country has always been
operated for the benefit of the internatial merchantile interests. For
instance, the famous Wall Street firms like JP Morgan, Kidder Peabody
and Goldman Sachs made their great profits through slavery and the opium
wars. Many of the founders of these banks were European who went to
America because salvery was deemed immoral in Europe and they saw their
business going under. So they moved to a country that had no problem
with things like human rights. After the slave and opium trades dried up
the bankers ordered the US government to killed the indians and this is
when the moved into beef and railroads and started to get "respectable".
AS for AMericans living well sure they do, because the banking and
financial sector thrived during this century and so did the Americans.
However, when it goes down like in 1929 the average American suffers
more that any other citizen on earth because their government is under
no obligation to see them as anything other than highly-developed farm
animals. Because the US government only needs humans within their
borders to eserve as biped worker ants for the ruling classes.
During the great depression people in places like Oklahoma and West
Virginia were eating dogs and cats to survive. This result was that the
American communist movement becomes the fastest growing political party
in the USA. If it was not for the clever man named FDR, the USA would be
a communist state today. He insitituted the system of social security
and many other socialist ideas and saved the bankers of Americna from
ruin at the hands of an angry public.
The American cannot accept any of these facts because he has been told
from birth that his country was founded by the right hand of God. It is
too painful to admit that the drafters of glorious US constitution which
Americans believe is a sacred doument openly refered to African
Americans and Natives as livestock.
America will die soon between the over zealous ultra-right wing
government enacting incredible anti-civiil rights laws coupled with the
unservcible national debt - it is doomed. I feel soory for the Americans
because when the shit hits the fan then they will really see what their
government really thinks of them.
Dave Kingdon
Alan Miles wrote:
Steven G. O'Connell wrote:
>
> Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on
anyone
> but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world. Why don't
you
> guys try it for once? I for one don't want to die just so you guys
are
> able to buy jeans. I'll fight for my homeland, but no one elses.
> All we get is trashed...look at the French!
The US spends next to nothing abroad. What it does spend is almost
all
to promote its interests.
The US imports more goods than it exports. The US has the highest
national debt of any country in the world (based on size, GNP and
population). We all police the world, it's just that the US likes to
stick its nose in when it's plainly not needed. Who the fuck asked for
America's help in ireland?
Gerard Cunningham
On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:56:37 -0400, "Steven G. O'Connell"
<resu...@thecore.com> wrote:
[..]
>Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on anyone
>but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world.
The US is in arrears in its contributions to the UN.
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"Slàinte is tàinte"
Clann na O'hOdhrain
True, but then again, the U.N. diplomats owe the city of New York over
five million dollars in parking fines. Not to mention the corpses that
a few of the "immune" diplomats have left in the streets. We'd be
better off foreclosing the property and making it a Nike Town.
Mike
Dave Kingdon
Martin Hanna wrote:
On 1 May 1997, Cheese Doggy Dog wrote:
> >:From Jason V. Menayan
> >:Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
<snip>
>
> >:Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the
world
> >:(see
> >:the first two freedoms for reason)!
> I hate to correct someone who is obviously so well informed but
> it's actually the lowest!
***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
* A Classic Jason Menayan Ignorant
Rant *
***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
*
*
* About Ireland he
said: *
* "Freedom from having one of the largest infanticide rates in the
world" *
* The Facts
(CIA): *
* Ireland - Infant mortality rate: 7.40 deaths/1,000 live births
(1994) *
* USA - Infant mortality rate: 8.11 deaths/1,000 live births
(1994) *
* China - Infant mortality rate: 52.1 deaths/1,000 live births
(1994) *
* India - Infant mortality rate: 78.4 deaths/1,000 live births
(1994) *
*
*
* Ignorance Rate -
100% *
*
*
***ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant*ignorant***
Martin.
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> >:Jason V. Menayan
> >:San Francisco, California, USA
>
> Well Jason either you were just taking the piss or you are one of
> the most uninfomred ignorent Tulips in the world!
> You rank i reckon along with other more notable uninformed tulips
> such as Dan Quale who is quoted as saying "I would like to speak
to
> the people of latin america in their native language , which is
latin"
>
Heheheh! Well done!
Suck on that, Jason!
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In message <336A4E...@for.life> - ANORAK <ano...@for.life> writes:
:>
:>On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost
What??????
Are you high? Drug dealers (and even users who get themselves so deep into it
they start commiting crimes) are criminals nothing more nothing less. Some
poor sap in the inner city who kills his neighbor for his shoes, is this
person deserve political prisoner status?
Now when we talk about the issue of decriminalizing narcotics is something
different.
Example.
A poor sap who does not do drugs but gets sent to jail for advocating
decriminalizing narcotics is a political prisoner.
A guy who gets put away for pushing 20 grams of coke a day is a criminal
(until the laws change).
Using your thought it may be claimed that KKK guys in jail for lynching blacks
are political prisoners. Are you going to argue that?
Adrian Smith
In article <don't-2504971...@bic4.sri.com>, Jason
<don't...@bother.spamming.net> writes
>Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
>Freedom to be anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish for absolutely no acceptable reason!
Anti-Zionist, more usually. The Irish tend to sympathise with underdogs.
Are there acceptable reasons not cited by Irishmen?
>Freedom to bitch and whine about how you hate the Brits when you emulate
>them in every way!
?
>Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
>Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
>Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
Unusually trollful post by your standards. I thought you were posting
from soc.culture.usa, but I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't antU.
--
Adrian Smith
Clann na O'hOdhrain
ANORAK wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 May 1997 19:05:44 -0500, ~Spark The Heretic lost
> self-control and said:
>
> >There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
> >kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
> >beliefs in the US.
>
> Oh my god this is astounding, does this guy really believe that. Most of
> the 1.5 million people locked up in Clinton's gulags are victims of the
> so called "war on drug" which is controlled by the state department and
> the CIA. They are in every sense political prisioners.
Where did you pick up those facts and figures, genius? Political
prisoners? For selling vials of crack to an eight year old? In the
future it is best to remove your head from your ass before making such
bold comments such as those you have graced us with.
Mike
Denis Wright
Steven G. O'Connell <resu...@thecore.com> wrote:
> Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on anyone
> but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world. Why don't you
> guys try it for once?
We're tired of your governments' policing the world too, so why not give
it up? You'd be amazed at how little we need it and how much we'd
appreciate it if you would. But try persuading your government to give
it up and see how far you get. I agree with you about government to
government foreign aid. The only beneficiaries of that money are corrupt
politicians and their hangers-on.
Why don't *we* try it, you ask? We don't try it because we don't think
we've got the world's entire fund of moral righteousness on our side, as
some of your more aggressive politicians and "policemen" seem to think
they have.
No offense meant to the many good American people who also see their
government's policies abroad for what they are.
DW
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Ron
Dave Kingdon <dave.k...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in article
<336A72...@ukonline.co.uk>...
> Alan Miles wrote:
>
> Steven G. O'Connell wrote:
> >
> > Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on
> anyone
> > but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world. Why don't
> you
> > guys try it for once? I for one don't want to die just so you guys
> are
> > able to buy jeans. I'll fight for my homeland, but no one elses.
> > All we get is trashed...look at the French!
>
> The US spends next to nothing abroad. What it does spend is almost
> all
> to promote its interests.
>
> The US imports more goods than it exports. The US has the highest
> national debt of any country in the world (based on size, GNP and
> population). We all police the world, it's just that the US likes to
> stick its nose in when it's plainly not needed. Who the fuck asked for
> America's help in ireland?
>
I think Dave's being a bit unfair here. First of all, you're wrong about
the national debt thing, cause national debt is played against GDP and it
happens to be more than $6 trillion a year. But besides that, many
Americans aren't too fired up about spending billions of dollars to stock
bases in South Korea and Japan. Yes, you can make an argument that it is in
our interests to have bases over there, but the argument falls down when
you consider that the money is needed to battle problems here. If American
troops pulled out of South Korea tomorrow, there would be a war the next
day, sure as shit. If they were to be pulled out of Japan, an arms race
never seen since W.W.II would be under taken in that part of the world the
following week.
I ask you David, what does the average American get out of this? As I'm
sure you're well aware, South Korea and Japan have extremely closed
economies. Having men and women risking their lives there gets the United
States nothing in terms of trade.
There is a European country that the United States definitely doesn't
belong in: Bosnia, or whatever it happens to be called today. Could you
enlighten me as to what the U.S. gains by spending billions of dollars and
by sending American men and women in harms way there? Is it worth it to the
average American.
On the question of keeping out of Ireland's and England's long-standing
dispute, I couldn't agree more. Blame it on that idiot we have in the White
House. One of the morons who advise him probably said he could score major
points with Irish-American voters if he stuck his nose in it. Thank God
he'll be gone soon. (But not soon enough)
Alan Miles
Jerry Jacuzio P090 wrote:
> I'm a fellow Yank (Ed. Note: Use Yank spelling to add verisimilitude) and the reason I gotta see threads like:
> Why people hate yanks...
> Well, is because this country has an abundance of people who don't know
> or won't admit the shite that happened and continues to happened.
> (in.. this .. Great Land... (why do I always see that arse (Ed. Note: Ass) Richard Nixon
> when I hear that line?)
> Is America a Great Nation? - I say Ballocks (Ed. Note: Balls or Screw You)- no better than any other.
> The problem is we do have ignorant sods (Ed. Note: chowderheads) waving the flag in everybody
> face - all the time spouting the 'my underwear is super super clean'
> routine.
> Cops are cops, politicians are politicians and who's ever drinking the
> champagne will do anything (*anything*) to keep the status quo as is.
> America, Poland - whatever.
> Not ever?
> > > >There was, nor is there any abscence of political freedom in the US,
> > > >kiddo. There was not one person thrown in prison for their political
> > > >beliefs in the US.
>
> You sure you don't mean Mars?!!
>
> The civil rights movement (were you around then Sparks??!!! Let me tell
> ya it wasn't pretty - and, gol---ly, it weren't long ago! How could you
> miss that?)
> Or Joe McCarthy??!!! If you were lucky you only lost the means to
> support your family.
> Or that dangerous drag-queen, Hoover!
> Sorry, compadre - that's just the way it is. Plenty of people got jailed
> and hosed in the country for their views.
> Get your facts straight if you're going to bandy against the world as an
> American representative.
Still, the US has a set of written rights that are defended by
organizations like the ACLU before the Supreme Court. It's idiotic to
claim that the US's shortcoming's 20 or more years ago are evidence for
it's shortcoming's today.
Alan Miles
Dave Kingdon wrote:
>
> The US imports more goods than it exports. The US has the highest
> national debt of any country in the world (based on size, GNP and
> population). We all police the world, it's just that the US likes to
> stick its nose in when it's plainly not needed. Who the fuck asked > for America's help in ireland?
Ireland and the UK did because the US is the home of the largest Irish
diaspora on the planet.
The last thing on earth the US wants is to get involved in other
countries. Read your history. The US is quintessentially isolationist.
Scott Hillard
ANORAK wrote:
> > You're living in a fantasy world - and democracy is not about allowing the likes of
> > you
> > to crush basic human rights because you (mistakenly) believe your God disapproves of
> > them.
> Remember that no American in history has ever experinced life in a
> democracy. The are not in a psition to definen the correctness of the
> democratic process as they have never been exposed to it.
>
> They live in a sudo-republic controlled by corporate special interests
> and foreign governments that uses mass media propaganda to control a
> poorly educated population to serve their Wall Sret masters.
Oh Christ, who let Noam bloody Chomsky in here?
Scott Hillard
Cheese Doggy Dog wrote:
> So Scott , what you're saying is that you support the basic essence
> of fascism where the majority DOESN'T count and we should all abide
> be the vocal few ,
Funny, could have sworn that complete rule of the mob can be just as unspeakable when
the final score comes in.
> thats how the Nazi's came to power in germany!
By riding roughshod over basic human rights, twonk. Precisely the sort of thing these
Irish clowns are doing.
> People here don't dissapprove of abortion because a God says its
> wrong , people dissapprove of it because they reckon it's wrong!
Yeah, sure. You imply a disparity where none exists lad.
> I voted FOR the abortion bill to pass incidently , I mightn't like
> teh fact that it didn't get through but in a democracy that sort
> of thing happens!
Not in some democracies - like the US, where the Supreme Court has found that their
constitution protects a woman's right to control her own fertility.
A concept obviously alien to you lot (you excpeted, since you seemed to take the morally
correct view when voting).
> In general it is quite possible for ANYONE to go over and get an
> abortion , it isn't hugely expensive and only those on the lowest
> level of the class system mightb't be able to afford it , but
> could they afford it even if there was a clinic here?
They get it on medicare here - bunch of fucking hypocrites in Ireland. Abortion's bad,
but the rich can still leave the country to get it.
Makes me sick.
> >Beats me how you can sleep at night.
I repeat - beats me how anti-choice loonies can sleep at night.
> >Jews and Muslims never burned you lot - corrupt or not.
>
> Like the previous guy you are here assuming that the religion is
> corrupt ,
We can take it as a given.
> its PEOPLE that are corrupt you fool!Fair enough the
> catholic religion hasn't had a too sparkling past but thats because
> some of the people who have practiced it have been very zealous
> and that happens in EVERY religion ,
Sorry, it's the Catholics here that have been caught porking boys and girls more so than
any other denomination - by far. As for "religion" not being corrupt, you need to learn
a little more about religion.
> i refer your attention to
> the current conflict in Algeria I think it is where over 300,000
> people have been murdered as a result of Islamic fundamentalists
> The list of things likethat van be applied to almost ALL religions!
That's right - you're finally getting the point.
> So try to pry yourself away from your tunnel vision view of things!
Whoops - I take that back. You didn't get it at all.
Jack Heraty
don't...@bother.spamming.net (Jason) wrote:
>In article <336A73...@ukonline.co.uk>, Dave Kingdon
><dave.k...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> > Well Jason either you were just taking the piss or you are one of
>> > the most uninfomred ignorent Tulips in the world!
>> > You rank i reckon along with other more notable uninformed tulips
>> > such as Dan Quale who is quoted as saying "I would like to speak
>> to
>> > the people of latin america in their native language , which is
>> latin"
>> >
>>
>> Heheheh! Well done!
>> Suck on that, Jason!
>
>
>Quayle, not Quale, and yes, we all know he was an idiot. BTW, not to
>defend him, but that above quote is a bit of urban folklore, nothing else.
>(He's said plenty of other stupid things, though.)
>
Two Quaylisms that come to mind:
(In a speech extolling the virtues of the United Negro College Fund):
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste. How true that is. Or not to
have a mind at all."
(In a speech in American Samoa):
"Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and happy campers
you will always be."
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Jack Heraty
r...@d.my.sig.com (Gerard Cunningham) wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:56:37 -0400, "Steven G. O'Connell"
><resu...@thecore.com> wrote:
>
>[..]
>>Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on anyone
>>but U.S. citizens. I'm tired of us policing the world.
>The US is in arrears in its contributions to the UN.
>
An organization whose budget is 50% funded by the U.S.
Jack Heraty
Uncle Authur <un...@auty.now> wrote:
>In article <336A4E...@for.life>, ano...@for.life wrote:
>
>> Remember that no American in history has ever experinced life in a
>> democracy. The are not in a psition to definen the correctness of the
>> democratic process as they have never been exposed to it.
>>
>> They live in a sudo-republic controlled by corporate special interests
>> and foreign governments that uses mass media propaganda to control a
>> poorly educated population to serve their Wall Sret masters.
>
>:Yes, we all lead a miserable life of sheeps. Get out while you can,
>:Anorak, and pray for us that were not so lucky!
>
>Nobody said you live horrible lives. But this is a fact that America is
>not and never has been a democratic nation. The country has always been
>operated for the benefit of the internatial merchantile interests. For
>instance, the famous Wall Street firms like JP Morgan, Kidder Peabody
>and Goldman Sachs made their great profits through slavery and the opium
>wars. Many of the founders of these banks were European who went to
>America because salvery was deemed immoral in Europe and they saw their
>business going under.
Nice try Sheridan. Considering all three of these firms were founded
after the Civil War, I kind of doubt that it entered into the mix.
> So they moved to a country that had no problem
>with things like human rights.
> After the slave and opium trades dried up
>the bankers ordered the US government to killed the indians and this is
>when the moved into beef and railroads and started to get "respectable".
Now that's funny!
>
>AS for AMericans living well sure they do, because the banking and
>financial sector thrived during this century and so did the Americans.
>However, when it goes down like in 1929 the average American suffers
>more that any other citizen on earth because their government is under
>no obligation to see them as anything other than highly-developed farm
>animals. Because the US government only needs humans within their
>borders to eserve as biped worker ants for the ruling classes.
Reading "The Daily Worker" again, I see.
>
>During the great depression people in places like Oklahoma and West
>Virginia were eating dogs and cats to survive. This result was that the
>American communist movement becomes the fastest growing political party
>in the USA.
A party that never elected anyone to any office of any significance
anywhere at any time.
> If it was not for the clever man named FDR, the USA would be
>a communist state today.
Like so many other places that are communist states today. How many
are there, three? That is, if you still count China.
> He insitituted the system of social security
>and many other socialist ideas and saved the bankers of Americna from
>ruin at the hands of an angry public.
>
>The American cannot accept any of these facts because he has been told
>from birth that his country was founded by the right hand of God. It is
>too painful to admit that the drafters of glorious US constitution which
>Americans believe is a sacred doument openly refered to African
>Americans and Natives as livestock.
Where? How about a quote or two?
>
>America will die soon between the over zealous ultra-right wing
>government enacting incredible anti-civiil rights laws coupled with the
>unservcible national debt - it is doomed. I feel soory for the Americans
>because when the shit hits the fan then they will really see what their
>government really thinks of them.
I guess you'll just have to stop leeching off of our doomed economy,
then.
Paul J. Ready
Denis Wright <dwr...@metz.une.edu.au> wrote:
>Steven G. O'Connell <resu...@thecore.com> wrote:
>
>> Again, if it was up to me not one U.S. dollar would be spent on anyone
>> guys try it for once?
>
>it up? You'd be amazed at how little we need it and how much we'd
>appreciate it if you would. But try persuading your government to give
>it up and see how far you get.
We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't. If we don't go off to
try to impose peace and save the little guy, we're irresponsable with
our power and inhumane, if we do we're meddling in internal affairs.
Before we entered in Bosnia, we had Bosnians and churches lobbying our
government to intervene, that it was our responsibility as a great
power to stop the genocide.... and of course we were also told that
it was a European problem and the European nations could solve it.
Well, we stayed away. They were wrong.
If we pulled in all of our carrier groups that have been providing
a stabalizing force throughout the world, particularly the far east,
do you really think things would continue on as before? I understand
being sick of order being imposed from outside, but would you really
want that support to suddenly collapse?
Why are we interested? Why are we involved? Peace, stability, and
democracy serves our interest (and we feel everyone's interest...)
for one. Beyond that, there are groups of Americans from every
country, and the numbers may not always be large, but when war threatens
your homeland, you're going to call your Senator and try to get some
help. Living in the US, you know that our millitary can help, the
only question is a matter of will.
Colleen Reardon
....a troll by any other name - is still Eccles.
- Colleen
Uncle Authur (wa...@jerhico.fall) wrote:
: :I could go on....
: Freedom to burn 90+ men, women, and children because of religion at Waco
: Freedom to overthrow 25+ democratically elected government since WWII
: Freedom to not visit Cuba
: Freedom to have your nation crawling with spies (CIA, FBI, ATF, MOSAD)
: Freedom the let killers walk free (OJ)
: Freedom to be the only nation use nukes on innocent people
: Freedom to speed up exceutions to prove you are macho (Clinton)
: Freedom for only 5% of citizens to hold passport
: Freedom to lock up more people than China (1.5 million)
: Freedon to 400,000 Iraqi's for oil
: Freedom to have only right-wing parties
: Freedom to take care of Isreal through you imcome taxes
: Freedom to have never takening part in a electoral referndum
: Freedom to have you entire political system run by corporations
: Freedom to be complete suckers
: and most allŠ
: Freedom to live in a society so controlled by the corporate press you
: all too ignorant to know better.
: No I am sorry you Yanks are not that free just full of shit
Jason
In article <336A72...@ukonline.co.uk>, Dave Kingdon
<dave.k...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> The US imports more goods than it exports.
True. So much for the "America floods the world with its shit" theory.
The US has the highest
> national debt of any country in the world (based on size, GNP and
> population).
Not true. Based on GNP, Canada and Italy have nigher national debt *among
the G-7 only*.
We all police the world, it's just that the US likes to
> stick its nose in when it's plainly not needed. Who the fuck asked for
> America's help in ireland?
Ireland.
bry-guy
Colleen Reardon wrote:
- Colleen
: and most allŠ
good lord I thought this was a news group about ausralian culture not a
big rip session on which
ever country you happen to be down on. What a bunch of whinning idiot
take this babble somewhere else.
Jack D Papin
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970430...@cpca4.uea.ac.uk>,
Rainmaker <u952...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let's talk the Freedoms of Ireland!
> > > >
> > > > Freedom to be prohibited from getting an abortion!
> > > > Freedom to not having even the right to fly to England to get an
abortion!
> > > > Freedom to not be anything other than Catholic unless you want to
be bombed!
> > (snip)
> > > > Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people brought
> > > > Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to continental
> > > > Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
> I think the point is this: America claims to be the 'land of the free',
> the hypocrisy of which prompted my first post. I did not, however, claim
> that Europe was any better. We all have our skeletons in our collective
> national closets, but we don't brag about being a haven for the sick,
> poor, lonely masses, huddled or otherwise.
>
> Besides, the 'freedoms of Ireland' that you quote above are the result of
> bigoted papist *religion*, whereas the hypocrisy in America lies in the
> constitution and the Declaration of independance.
No, The hypocracy really lies in the current american government that
refuses to recognize these inaliable rights and as you said abuse
minoritys in their negligence and refusal to accept said historical
documents as LAW!
The documents are good *WHEN THEY ARE USED*
"We hold these truths
> to be self-evident: that all men are created free (except commies, blacks
> and native americans and any other oddities we decide to pick on)".
A perfect example of how the corrupt federal government serves itself and
is no longer a government OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE!
People like Clinton think that people were *created* for the government.
That humans are raw materials for beureacracy to use and abuse as it sees fit.
This is where the hypocracy is.
Jefferson didnt forsee such dishonorable people getting into power whos
only god is power and money and care nothing for fairness, truth or
justice!
Who have no understanding of their own history and who have no concience
when it comes to trampling individual rights or stealing peoples freedoms.
Or passing laws that tear down human rights piece by piece!
Best Regards,
Jack D Papin
-John 3:16-
I
> think that was what Jefferson really meant.
> (before anyone gets picky, I know communism hadn't been invented when the
> Declaration was written, but you get my drift)
Chris Pariso
Scott Hillard wrote:
>
> Barry Comerford wrote:
> >
> You're living in a fantasy world - and democracy is not about allowing the likes of you
> to crush basic human rights because you (mistakenly) believe your God disapproves of
> them.
And you believe that abortion is a civil right simply because someone
told you so. What is essentially religious in the nature of this
question? Basically, if you believe a fetus is a human being then to
kill it is wrong. If you don't believe that then you have a basis for
your position. I object to "the likes of YOU" turning an intellectual
matter into a religious issue just so that you can dismiss it.
> > > :Freedom to proclaim what a stunning achievement that your people
> > > :brought Catholicism, the most corrupt religion on earth, back to
> > continental Europe! (millions of Jews and Muslims thank you!)
>
> > Yes Irish monks and pilgrams did help to bring Catholicism back to
> > continental Europe. This happened to be over a thousand years ago. A
> > religion cannot be corrupt only people are corrupt there are corrupt jews
> > and muslims and believers in other christian religions.
>
> Jews and Muslims never burned you lot - corrupt or not.
Why don't you take a look at your history. I seem to remember a story
about a city named Fez where the streets ran red with the blood of
Christians at the hand of the Muslims. Christians don't have a monopoly
on atrocities, you simplistic anti-Christian bigot. You seem entirely
capable of making an actual point if you'd put your hate aside. Cheers.
Drink tequila for a brighter future,
Toady
Chris Pariso
Rainmaker wrote:
>
> Besides, the 'freedoms of Ireland' that you quote above are the result of
> bigoted papist *religion*, whereas the hypocrisy in America lies in the
> to be self-evident: that all men are created free (except commies, blacks
> think that was what Jefferson really meant.
> (before anyone gets picky, I know communism hadn't been invented when the
> Declaration was written, but you get my drift)
I have a small suggestion. Next time you presume to quote the
Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the U.S. to make your
point, you actually read them first. Saves you embarrassing mistakes
like this.
Paul J. Ready
Uncle Authur <POST> wrote:
>In article <336A4E...@for.life>, ano...@for.life wrote:
>AS for AMericans living well sure they do, because the banking and
>financial sector thrived during this century and so did the Americans.
>However, when it goes down like in 1929 the average American suffers
>more that any other citizen on earth because their government is under
Uhh, reality check time.... the depression that started in '29 and
persisted throughout the 30's was a worldwide phenomonon. It affected
Germany rather badly in particular, but certain European powers saw
it as a just punishment. Money became useful as wall coverings, because
it was cheeper than wallpaper, and that persisted until a political
change that took place led to a rather bloody war.
"Any other citizen on earth?" That's not true even in the Western
world, and it's simply ridiculous to suggest that it is true for
citizens of developing nations... or don't they count?
>America will die soon between the over zealous ultra-right wing
>government enacting incredible anti-civiil rights laws coupled with the
>unservcible national debt - it is doomed. I feel soory for the Americans
Yeah, sure, whatever.
Gerard Cunningham
On Mon, 05 May 1997 16:19:18 -0500, pap...@pop.service.ohio-state.edu
(Jack D Papin) wrote:
[..]
>Jefferson didnt forsee such dishonorable people getting into power whos
>only god is power and money and care nothing for fairness, truth or
>justice!
On the contrary, it was precisely because they foresaw such a
possibility that they spent so much times building checks & balances..
[..]
Andrew Hart
Our American buddies don't like being criticised by outsiders. I doubt
that they'd like this quote from the American Science fiction writer
William Gibson either. William Gibson invented the term cyberspace.
<... I think that the sort
of societies I am describing would be
more disturbing to someone who lived
in a cohesive, functioning social
democracy than it would be to
someone who lives in the United States.
There are large parts of the United
States today that must seem, I would
think, to a European as dystopian and
possibly more dystopian than I describe
in my books. There are large parts of
many American cities that are absolute
social nightmares. America is a country
that may already have an enormous
permanent underclass. I do not think an
enormous permanent underclass is a
very good thing to have if you're
attempting to operate something that at
least pretends sometimes to be a
democracy.>
Be honest Americans you have vast social problems.
I apologise if there are any spelling mistakes in this article.
There seem to be a lot of nitpickers in this newsgroup.
Andrew
Andrew Hart
Our American buddies don't like being criticised by outsiders. I doubt
that they'd like this quote from the American Science fiction writer
William Gibson either. William Gibson invented the term cyberspace.
<... I think that the sort
of societies I am describing would be
more disturbing to someone who lived
in a cohesive, functioning social
democracy than it would be to
someone who lives in the United States.
There are large parts of the United
States today that must seem, I would
think, to a European as dystopian and
possibly more dystopian than I describe
in my books. There are large parts of
many American cities that are absolute
social nightmares. America is a country
that may already have an enormous
permanent underclass. I do not think an
enormous permanent underclass is a
very good thing to have if you're
attempting to operate something that at
least pretends sometimes to be a
democracy.>
Be honest America you have vast social problems. One of them is an
inability to accept criticism.
Andrew
Rabbit
Uncle Authur <un...@auty.now> wrote:
>What makes you Yank and Oz gits think that Irish people will come to the
>defence of the Vatican in this day and age?
>
Uncle Arthur, go away.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
Scott Hillard
Chris Pariso wrote:
> > You're living in a fantasy world - and democracy is not about allowing the likes of
> > you
> > to crush basic human rights because you (mistakenly) believe your God disapproves of
> > them.
> And you believe that abortion is a civil right simply because someone
> told you so.
Nope, nobody told me any such thing.
> What is essentially religious in the nature of this
> question? Basically, if you believe a fetus is a human being then to
> kill it is wrong.
Not necessarily. There are plenty of circumstances under which I believe killing a
human being is the right thing to do. I don't consider a foetus to be a human being.
Even if I did, I doubt that I would oppose abortion on demand.
> If you don't believe that then you have a basis for
> your position. I object to "the likes of YOU" turning an intellectual
> matter into a religious issue just so that you can dismiss it.
Never tried to do any such thing - liar.
> > > Yes Irish monks and pilgrams did help to bring Catholicism back to
> > > continental Europe. This happened to be over a thousand years ago. A
> > > religion cannot be corrupt only people are corrupt there are corrupt jews
> > > and muslims and believers in other christian religions.
> > Jews and Muslims never burned you lot - corrupt or not.
> Why don't you take a look at your history. I seem to remember a story
> about a city named Fez where the streets ran red with the blood of
> Christians at the hand of the Muslims.
Wonder why the Muslims were so pissed off at Christains? Wouldn't have anything to do
with the shocking behaviour of your lot during the crusades, would it?
> Christians don't have a monopoly on atrocities,
No shit?
Scott Hillard
Uncle Authur wrote:
> What makes you Yank and Oz gits think that Irish people will come to the
> defence of the Vatican in this day and age?
The fact tht the majority of you paddies do.
> I am Irish and I say Fuck fuck all organzied religion Catholics, Prods,
> Jews are full of shit.
Bully for you - shame about the majority of people in your nation. Have you considered
living abroad?
> I am not going to defend these dickheads
Wise man - to take such a postion would be difficult.
> The Irish are not the twats who put 'In God we Trust' on money or say
> shit like 'One Nation Under God' like Americans.
A very non-specific term, no? Which God?
> So much for your imagined seperation of church and state!!!!!!!!
The US has a system where the two are VERY much seperated, thanks to the framers of
their constitution - who did a much better job than anyone else before or since.
> Or stupidest of all screaming 'God Save the Queen' like all you Oz
> Lakey's.
Won't find that being sung here too often. You sure you know it's the 1990s?
> Sheep like Ozzies who always have and are always will, run into
> a hail of German or Turk bullets for whatever turd is ruling them from
> Buckingham Palace.
Of course, you lot never did any of that, right?
> Now who looks like a bunch of silly cunts? Not the Irish mate!
No, just one of them.
Jason
In article <336EF2...@Enternet.Co.NZ>, Andrew Hart
<And...@Enternet.Co.NZ> wrote:
> Our American buddies don't like being criticised by outsiders.
Not any more nor less than you Kiwis do.
Jason
In article <5kn29l$k...@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
un6...@genius.embnet.dkfz-heidelberg.de (Igor Sprumatzikustjiolaviromia)
wrote:
> untrue. you import highclass european and asian products, but you still
> export shit to the rest of the world.
You call it shit, but your countrymen eat it up like ambrosia. You also
call your VWs and Saabs quality cars, but the only Americans eager to see
them entering our shores are the mechanics.
> > The US has the highest
> >> national debt of any country in the world (based on size, GNP and
> >> population).
>
> >Not true. Based on GNP, Canada and Italy have nigher national debt *among
> >the G-7 only*.
>
> true. canada doesn't count. any statistic with *italy* in it
> is crap.
Which country are you from, "Igor"? Or would admission open a whole can of
worms? By the way, *Italy* is part of your beloved *EU*.
> > We all police the world, it's just that the US likes to
> >> stick its nose in when it's plainly not needed. Who the fuck asked for
> >> America's help in ireland?
>
> >Ireland.
>
> untrue. the irish asked for Dutch help. THEN you yanks took over.
Because the Dutch are incompetent buffoons. Does the Irish Republic exist now?
Jason
In article <336F23...@ozemail.com.au>, Scott Hillard
<shil...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > What is essentially religious in the nature of this
> > question? Basically, if you believe a fetus is a human being then to
> > kill it is wrong.
The determination of the beginning of life is an essential religious
question. In my interpretation, you are not alive until you can live on
your own outside your mother's body, which means the last trimester at
least. If you're going to argue that conception (a charged concept in the
Catholic church) is the beginning of life, then are you going to argue
against the shedding of skin? plastic surgery? Scottish researchers have
proven that we can potentially create life from those cells also...
Jason
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.970507001547.25310E-100000@purds>, Madame
Wraith's Mind Mart <ad...@st-andrews.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 1997, Andrew Hart wrote:
> > Our American buddies don't like being criticised by outsiders. I doubt
> > that they'd like this quote from the American Science fiction writer
> > William Gibson either. William Gibson invented the term cyberspace.
>
> I think they'd also take umbrage at the quote from American 60's folk
> singer Phil Ochs, who said that "Leaving America is like finding a
> girlfriend and losing 20 pounds." (weight, not money)
I personally have no problem with these above sentiments....that is, if the
person actually *does* leave America. Otherwise, they make themselves look
like pathetic hypocrites.