Is pedophilia w ahitemans disease exclusively?(was Re: Police target Net pedophilia
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Australian
DIPLOMATIC DIGEST
Diplomatic behaviour: alleged pedophile conspiracies and coverup in DFAT
The guilty secrets at Foreign Affairs
http://www.dfat.com/pedoinq.htm
this site has many articles.
http://www.nambla.org/
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,26033,00.html?owv
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ramk...@imap3.asu.edu wrote in message <6spo10$kvl$3...@news.asu.edu>...
>Is pedophilia a white/caucasian mans's mental disease exclusively? All
>the 14 countries where the raids were conducted are white/caucasian
>countries. Also most/all the clients of child prostitution in countries
>like Sri Lanka and other Asian countries are white-caucasian males from
>Europe and elsewhere.
>
>Please don't make flame out of this. There are some diseases mental or
>physical that are specific(= more prevalent) in some racial/ethnic groups
>than the others. So... if you have any info on studies or pointers
>please post/mail them. Thanks.
>
>Regards, --Ramakrishna.
>
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Pran Nevile
India Perspective
http://www.indiagov.org/perspec/sept98/women.htm
Indian women have always been considered among the most beautiful in the
world and their charms have been celebrated by poets and artists down the
ages. Images of women are a recurring theme with the miniaturists of both
the Mughal courts and the Rajput kingdoms. The object of this art, however,
was not realistic portrayal of human beings but to depict the essence of
human joy, ecstasy and anguish.
In the middle of the 18th century, there was no visual record of the
Indian people based on first-hand observations. Travellers had carried home
tales of kings and their hordes of dusky beauties, dripping with pearls and
diamonds, in gauzy veils, lying in the harems or reclining in marble palaces
or in royal gardens which bore little relation to reality. British
professional and amateur artists began arriving in India from about 1760s
onwards. While most of them applied their talents to landscape painting, the
portraits of the elite or pictures of historical events of imperial
interest, there were some with a different bent of exotic mind who were
inspired by the exotic people of India, especially the native women. They
drew their images of real life of Indian women. These artists have left
behind women of all classes and practically all this is found in the museums
and art galleries of Britain and the U.S.A.
Indian ladies of the aristocracy, mostly in purdah, "were inaccessible to
the artists until the beginning of the present century. Other women who came
into contact with the English sahibs were the bibis or unofficial wives of
the British officers, dancing girls and courtesans, the working women and
female servants. In the countryside, however, both in the plains and the
hills, they came across women out in the open as the rural life was free
from purdah. Fairs, festivals and religious processions also offered the
best opportunities of viewing native women from all classes.
Just as the landscape painting was influenced by the British concept of
'picturesque', the Western concept of beauty had its impact on their
portrayal of Indian women. William Hodges, the first British professional
artist to visit India (1780) acknowledged that his portrayal of Indian women
was based on ideas of classical beauty. He watched the women at Benaras
ghats and wrote: "To a painter's mind, the fine antique figures never fail
to present themselves, when he observes a beautiful female form ascending
these steps from the river with wet drapery, which perfectly displays the
whole person, and with vases on their heads, carrying water to the temples".
The romanticised image of Indian women was vividly captured by contemporary
professional and amateur artists.
Their portrayal of women of different classes is both sensitive and
appealing and true to life. There are fascinating accounts by British
officials, travellers and missionaries about their impressions of Indian
women. They speak about their physical beauty and charm, in spite of their
dark complexion, in superlative terms, even asserting that "no English woman
would venture to place the charms of her cramped figure in competition with
the unshackled graces exhibited among these children of nature". Bishop
Heber of Calcutta (1820) was in fact greatly attracted by their skin colour
and pointed out that "the deep hronze tint was more naturally agreeable to
the human eye than the fair skins of Europe". William Huggins in his
Sketches of India (1824) also endorsed this view and wrote that "Indian
woman's soft expression and delicate tournure of countenance make us forget
the difference of complexion, or rather convince us that complexion does not
constitute the desirable in a woman". There is also a striking observation
by the historian Robert Orme (1770) who wrote: 'nature seems to have
showered heauty on the fairer sex throughout Hindustan with a more lavish
hand than in most other countries".
Kashmiri women figure in quite a few accounts and are extolled for their
charm and beauty. James Forbes, a noted (East India) company official
(1765-84) in his Oriental Memoirs describes a noble lady he met at Surat as
"one of the greatest beauties he ever beheld". Richard Burton the famous
scholar pays high compliments in colourful language to Sindhi women while
Mrs. Marianne Postans, wife of a company official, eloquently describes the
remarkahle beauty of Cutch ladies. About Bengali women, it is stated that
"in figure and feature, she stands comparison with the finest races of the
world". Nagar women of Gujarat are praised for their grace and charm and
particularly their dark eyes "in whose depth glows a spark of passion and
round which humour and laughter play". The Maratha ladies especially of the
aristocracy are portrayed as singularly charming and credited with
intelligence and refined manners. In the South, Nair women were admired for
their unique charm. Some others swore by the women of Canara with their
lovely dark eyes and soft glossy hair falling down to the knee. Mention is
also made of women's dresses and ornaments. There is a detailed description
of the saree which is described as infinitely more graceful and even more
decent then the European evening costumes.
On analysis, we can conclude that the reactions of Europeans to the physical
appearance of native women were influenced by their general attitude to
beauty of womankind and, also, to their association with a particular region
of the country and its people.
As traders, the British had little sense of racial superiority and dealt
with Indians on equal terms. Many of them had close friendships with Indian
nobles and scholars. The Indian social customs and manners were duly
accepted and there were no harsh comments on the status of Indian women in
society. But by the beginning of the 19th century the atmosphere was already
changing. From merchants the British turned rulers and, therefore, developed
a growing contempt for those they now ruled.
In the late 19th century we come across some women authors with more
objective and unbiased observations on the status and role of Indian women
in society. Flora Annie Steel, a famous literary figure of the period
analyses the two opposing estimates of Indian womanhood - the one favoured
by most Englishmen and fostered by missionary reports, which represents it
as being thoroughly degraded, hopelessly, helplessly deprived and utterly
enslaved, the other which asserts that, on the contrary, the ideals of the
Indian woman are the highest in the world, and that her conduct is an
example, her life free and happy. She explains the fundamental difference
between the Western and the Eastern ideals of womanhood. After examining the
two divergent standpoints, she holds the ideal Eastern woman at a higher
pedestal for her self-abnegation and greater moral courage.
Another woman author, Elizabeth Cooper (1915), admires the Indian woman for
her innate sense of modesty, her womanliness, her love of home and children
and her feminine qualities which to the Western mind may appear as a
weakness, but, in fact, constitute her appealing charm. She emphasises that
"if the Westem woman offers her gifts of modern education and intellectual
advancement, her Eastern sister will not be her debtor if she, by example,
presents in return the even more precious charms of obedience, modesty and
loyalty which fundamentally are the priceless jewels in the Crown of world's
womanhood".
The twentieth century has witnessed revolutionary changes in the status and
outlook of Indian women. The impact of modern education and western ideas
has brought them to acquire an entirely new perception of themselves and
their role in the economic, political and social life of the country. The
new emancipated woman has now made her mark in every sphere of life and even
in the international fora, she has won universal acclaim for her
achievements in diverse fields.
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
**** (imagi...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Early European Portrayal of Indian Women
Viv
>>Is pedophilia a white/caucasian mans's mental disease exclusively? All
>>the 14 countries where the raids were conducted are white/caucasian
>>countries. Also most/all the clients of child prostitution in countries
>>like Sri Lanka and other Asian countries are white-caucasian males from
>>Europe and elsewhere.
>>
>>Please don't make flame out of this. There are some diseases mental or
>>physical that are specific(= more prevalent) in some racial/ethnic groups
>>than the others. So... if you have any info on studies or pointers
>>please post/mail them. Thanks.
>>
>>Regards, --Ramakrishna.
>>
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Really, Ramakrishna, I think your question is either a troll or
at best not fully thought through.
Considering that it was an Internet paedophilia ring that
obviously places the highest concentration of members
in first world countries, purely by examining in which
countries civilians have easiest access to the technology
involved.
Nothing to do with the lack of paedophiles in other races,
everything to do with affordable technology widely available.
As for "most/all"clients of child prostitution in "Sri Lanka and other
Asian countries" being "white/caucasian" - I would be very interested
to see what figures you have to support this assertion.
And who recruits the children into prostitution in the first place?
Are the pimps and madams "white/caucasian" or "Asian" for the
most part? You mean to tell me they never sample their own wares?
They don't bribe local officials with a "bit on the side"? What unusual
peddlers of human flesh they must be.
What I've said above certainly does not disprove your hypothesis, but
I have provided perfectly adequate explanations for why the Net paedophiles
were all "white/caucasian". They would certainly constitute a very small
proportion of paedophiles worldwide. Did paedophilia not exist before the
World Wide Web? I rather think it did.
I acknowledge that the "Asian sex tour" mentality is an acknowledged
market for caucasian men with mature appetites and also those
appetites for younger flesh.
However, I also heard, (from a mainstream media report so let's call it
an unreliable source) that many of the clients of child prostitutes in Asia
are often local men who believe that young prostitutes are less likely to
carry AIDS. Does this not strike you as logical?
Now, not a flame - a true question - Is child prostitution in
Asia only a recent phenomenon, coinciding with colonialism/tourism or
is it rather more ancient? In any culture, when people are poor they take
advantage of the transience of youth, I think.
Again, I ask, where are your figures showing creditable research
regarding the racial characteristics of clients of child prostitutes
in Asian countries?
ramk...@imap3.asu.edu
of my head. When I saw this article... it just occured to me... to ask.
I would be interested to know more about it... before coming to any
conclusions.
I do agree with a lot of what you wrote.
Regards, --Ramakrishna.
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