Quit your damn Homophobia NOW!
pta...@airfarce.canada.sun.com
be...@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Bear Giles) wrote:
{a good deal of good info on Colo. proposition 2, but then went haywire....}
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>He's posting from Singapore. From what I've read about Singapore,
>he may well be a typical resident.
Oh, PLEASE.......the guy's a loon. What in the $%^& are you reading,
anyway?
> (His opinions are incredibly
>naive and poorly thought out; look at his comments about making
>exceptions for his mother, or setting an artificial "30 seconds"
>limit before penalties would kick in, etc. Also, many of his
>statements have a "but, my lifestyle is perfect! Why would anyone
>do something different?!" you find in a small culture with limited
>interaction with others.)
Singapore does not have a closed society. It's incredibly well-connected
with the rest of the world. It's one of the world's leading seaports!
>
>Please note: I am *not* flaming Yow Keen Mann, although if he
>were an G-7 national I'd be bringing the marshmallows. Singapore
>is (apparently) a very small area with a population which is
>extremely homogeneous, and exposure to "foreign" cultures is
>sharply restricted.
Again, where are you getting this garbage from?
> Imagine the distance from the most bland,
>white-bread suburb in America and Haight-Ashbury... and go that
>much further past the suburb. That's Singapore.
That's rubbish, Bear.
>
>--
>Bear Giles
>be...@cs.colorado.edu/fsl.noaa.gov
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Thomas Ford Brown
In article <1994Jan2.1...@newscan.canada.sun.com> pta...@airfarce.Canad
a.Sun.COM writes:
>
>be...@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Bear Giles) wrote:
>
>
>Singapore does not have a closed society. It's incredibly well-connected
>with the rest of the world. It's one of the world's leading seaports!
Yes, it is a leading center of regional trade.
>
>>
>>Please note: I am *not* flaming Yow Keen Mann, although if he
>>were an G-7 national I'd be bringing the marshmallows. Singapore
>>is (apparently) a very small area with a population which is
>>extremely homogeneous, and exposure to "foreign" cultures is
>>sharply restricted.
>
>Again, where are you getting this garbage from?
>
Just about any book on Singaporean culture would
tell you this story: The population is mostly
ethnic chinese, with a few ethnic indians and malays.
Exposure to foreign culture is not restricted per se.
However, with regards to sexuality and politics--then yes,
there is a high degree of censorship.
So it is understandable that a resident of an island
controlled by a repressive, authoritarian regime
that closely monitors cultural expression for
any indication of "immorality" would not understand
tolerance for homosexuality.
>
>> Imagine the distance from the most bland,
>>white-bread suburb in America and Haight-Ashbury... and go that
>>much further past the suburb. That's Singapore.
>
>That's rubbish, Bear.
When it comes to state-imposed sexual mores regarding
homosexuality, I'd say that's a
reasonable analogy. On what basis are
you disagreeing with Bear?
Dwight J. Mishima
Thomas Ford Brown <tomb...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>Just about any book on Singaporean culture would
>tell you this story: The population is mostly
>ethnic chinese, with a few ethnic indians and malays.
>Exposure to foreign culture is not restricted per se.
>However, with regards to sexuality and politics--then yes,
>there is a high degree of censorship.
There is a high degree of censorship in almost every country where Chinese(-cu)
control the political system. Openmindedness and Chinese(-cu) culture are
diametrically opposed.
The last issue of _The_Economist_ for 1993 ranked several localities by (1)
political freedom and (2) civil liberties. Of course, the USA came out tops.
Japan did well. In fact, both the USA and Japan ranked among the 10 most
desirable countries in which to live. (China was almost dead last. Mexico
ranked just ahead of S. Korea. That's S. Korea; N. Korea wasn't mentioned.)
Hong Kong did "okay". But guess what? Hong Kong is controlled by Englishmen,
not Chinese(-cu).
>So it is understandable that a resident of an island
>controlled by a repressive, authoritarian regime
>that closely monitors cultural expression for
>any indication of "immorality" would not understand
>tolerance for homosexuality.
Generally speaking, neither Chinese(-cu) nor Koreans(-cu) have much tolerance
for homosexuality or much of anything else, for that matter. My Chinese(-cu)
colleague thinks that homosexuals are mentally ill and that they are prone to
pedophilia.
>>> Imagine the distance from the most bland,
>>>white-bread suburb in America and Haight-Ashbury... and go that
>>>much further past the suburb. That's Singapore.
>>That's rubbish, Bear.
>When it comes to state-imposed sexual mores regarding
>homosexuality, I'd say that's a
>reasonable analogy. On what basis are
>you disagreeing with Bear?
That's an excellent analogy; however, Mr. Mishima would go further.
Singapore and other places where Chinese(-cu) values predominate are
a step away from pure Nazism--on the other side.
Sincerely,
-Dwight J. Mishima
Legend:
-cu -> in the sense of culture
-ci -> in the sense of citizenship
-ge -> in the sense of genetic ethnicity
Eric Chang ~{VY;T~}
>In article <2go1c9$7...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
>Thomas Ford Brown <tomb...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>>Just about any book on Singaporean culture would
>>tell you this story: The population is mostly
>>ethnic chinese, with a few ethnic indians and malays.
>>Exposure to foreign culture is not restricted per se.
>>However, with regards to sexuality and politics--then yes,
>>there is a high degree of censorship.
>
>There is a high degree of censorship in almost every country where Chinese(-cu)
>control the political system. Openmindedness and Chinese(-cu) culture are
>diametrically opposed.
>
>The last issue of _The_Economist_ for 1993 ranked several localities by (1)
>political freedom and (2) civil liberties. Of course, the USA came out tops.
>Japan did well. In fact, both the USA and Japan ranked among the 10 most
>desirable countries in which to live. (China was almost dead last. Mexico
>ranked just ahead of S. Korea. That's S. Korea; N. Korea wasn't mentioned.)
The Japan treat Japanese very well, but they treat foreigners
rather poorly. No doubt the US should get good marks for political freeom
and civil liberties. As for living standards, its not that great. Many
of my Singapore friends fail to see the good things about America and prefer
to return home to Singapore. I am sure quite a few Americans living in
urban slumps would rather have something like Singapore too.
>Generally speaking, neither Chinese(-cu) nor Koreans(-cu) have much tolerance
>for homosexuality or much of anything else, for that matter. My Chinese(-cu)
>colleague thinks that homosexuals are mentally ill and that they are prone to
>pedophilia.
I don't see Japan and US being better in terms of the level of homophobia.
>>>> Imagine the distance from the most bland,
>>>>white-bread suburb in America and Haight-Ashbury... and go that
>>>>much further past the suburb. That's Singapore.
>>>That's rubbish, Bear.
Is the person saying that past the white suburb and the Haight-Ashbury,
and you get to the slumps with rubbish?
So you complain about suburbs. Hopefully you won't end up living there
after you get rich, like many of the 60s persons do. I see nothing wrong
in living well. Go live in some ba neighbourhoods for some time, then
complain about Singapore.
>That's an excellent analogy; however, Mr. Mishima would go further.
>Singapore and other places where Chinese(-cu) values predominate are
>a step away from pure Nazism--on the other side.
The headline of the SF Examiner says "US use poor, sick for testing
radiation".
>Sincerely,
>-Dwight J. Mishima
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Eric
Jeong-Gyun Shin
>Generally speaking, neither Chinese(-cu) nor Koreans(-cu) have much tolerance
>for homosexuality or much of anything else, for that matter. My Chinese(-cu)
>colleague thinks that homosexuals are mentally ill and that they are prone to
>pedophilia.
This is another face value post by Dwight Joe, lately reborn as Dwight
J. Mishima. China and Korea have thousands of years history; mores,
culture (in whatever definitiion), and social values are results of
endless ages of time. Confucionism and other traditional teachings in
which the separation of sexes is very strict are rooted in age old
tradition which is not same for Japan broadly speaking.
The U.S. (of American culture Dwight Joe so frequently places in high
pedestal) is only 200 years old or so. It is a young country so to
speak, constantly inventing itself, a land where everyone is reborn
and allowed to invent self.
It is to neither defend nor attack homosexuality, but one cannot
speak of tolerance a country without looking at cultural history of
a country; face value comparisons the way Dwight Joe *always* does
(intended as bashing) is meaningless.
Hank Cohen
Jeong-Gyun Shin <sh...@lachesis.ee.udel.edu> wrote:
>
>The U.S. is only 200 years old or so. It is a young country so to
>and allowed to invent self.
>
history is closer to 400 years. Also the US is the inheritor of the
European cultural tradition which is of comparable antiquity to that
of China. What I think is more interesting than the antiquity of the
respective cultures are the various choices made along the way.
--
Hank Cohen
Concurrent Nippon Corp. Shuwa yanagibashi Bldg. 5F
Yanagibashi 2-19-6 Taito-ku Tokyo 111, Japan
Denwa: 03-3864-5714 Fax: 03-3864-0898
Paul Callahan
>In article <2gq9hg$r...@louie.udel.edu>,
>Jeong-Gyun Shin <sh...@lachesis.ee.udel.edu> wrote:
>>
>>The U.S. is only 200 years old or so. It is a young country so to
>>speak, constantly inventing itself, a land where everyone is reborn
>>and allowed to invent self.
>>
>Yes and no. Yes the US is 200 years old as a State but it's direct
>history is closer to 400 years. Also the US is the inheritor of the
>European cultural tradition which is of comparable antiquity to that
>of China. What I think is more interesting than the antiquity of the
>respective cultures are the various choices made along the way.
This claim is somewhat misleading. Large portions of the continental
US were unsettled by Europeans until the nineteenth century. These
regions--such as the Midwest--are responsible (whether you like it or
not) for many of the unique traits that distinguish the US from a
European country.
--
"He ought to be dead, don't you know, after such a festive experiment."
==== Paul Callahan ==== call...@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu ====