ELK RIVER, Minn. (AP) -- In the woods near
bulldozed dirt roads where suburban homes will soon
be built, Mai Houa Vang wailed for her slain
daughter's spirit to leave the spot where her killers
dumped her.
She swept at the bits of leaves on the ground,
marked with pink paint where a detective found the
naked body of Pa Nhia Lor, 13, a little more than a
week earlier.
Authorities said the sixth-grader was raped, choked
and stabbed in a park in Brooklyn Park some 20
miles farther south, then taken to a garage and
suffocated with garbage bags.
Five teen-agers are accused in the attack or helping
to hide the body.
Michael Medin, 18, and Shea Holt, 17, each are
charged with one count of first-degree murder and
kidnapping. Medin and another 17-year-old who was
charged as a juvenile are charged with criminal
sexual conduct. Stacy Koerner, 18, and Nickie
Frank, 18, are accused of being accomplices after
the fact for helping to hide the body.
Police say Pa Nhia had gone with a friend to
Brooklyn Park, 15 miles north of her St. Paul home,
and ran into Medin as he got off work at a sandwich
shop early in the morning of Sept. 20.
More people joined the group and they went to
nearby Hartkopf Park, where an argument started,
according to Detective Rick Hunting.
A criminal complaint said Medin knocked Pa Nhia
down and covered her mouth while the juvenile
raped her.
After the juvenile left, Medin decided to kill the
girl
so she couldn't identify them, stabbing and choking
her while Holt stepped on her throat, the complaint
said.
Medin allegedly carried Pa, still alive, from the
park
to the garage, where he put a plastic garbage bag
over her head. When she tore it off, two more were
tied over her head and Holt and Medin stood on her
arms until she stopped breathing, the complaint said.
In the afternoon, Medin called Frank, and she and
Koerner helped him dump the body, according to the
complaint.
Police were led to the five by an anonymous tip. Pa
Nhia's body was found Sept. 21.
The girl's three-day funeral begins Saturday.
In the woods Wednesday, Vang twisted the
remnants of yellow crime scene tape into knots so
the five suspects would remain tied together in their
fate, while she cursed them in Hmong so they would
suffer as her daughter did.
With Vang were two of her three other daughters,
her son and her son-in-law, as well as Hunting, the
police detective.
``We have to call the spirit back ... so at a later
day
the spirit will not haunt the family,'' explained Ge
Moua, the son-in-law. ``And we want to make sure
the spirit rests in peace.''
His wife, Pang Kou Her, said her half-sister had
been a hard-working girl who baby-sat their children,
but had begun to change in the past year.
``I think she hung around with the wrong friends,''
Moua said.
Vang showed snapshots of her smiling daughter to
the detective.
``She was a beautiful girl,'' he said. ``You have to
remember her like that.''
Well the punishment will fit the crime---five
lives ruined to avenge one life taken.
May she rest in peace - and her attackers never.
Susan
Rushtown wrote:
> Well the punishment will fit the crime---five
> lives ruined to avenge one life taken.
Five criminals commit an atrocity, five punishments *hopefully* handed down.
Do you have to study to be this sick, or does it come naturally?
Does this mean she was a friend of the killers?
This type of atrocity is no doubt encouraged by the "Fuck me, I'm Asian"
attitude exhibited by AFs toward WMs. The five white boys probably assumed
that the AF victim would enjoy being raped - even killed - by them.
- SAGE
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>While I'd like to see these monsters punished (set on fire, maybe?)
>for such a crime, I have to say that their victim was also American
>- she lived here, did she not?
Thank you for this observation, Susan. In reading the entire post I
didn't see anything suggesting that it was a racial crime or a hate
crime; the only racial or ethnic element I caught was the names of the
victim and her mother.
OTOH a family member did say the victim seemed to be hanging with a bad
crowd lately--a very common element in crimes against juveniles,
especially girls. I also wonder what a 13-year old was doing in a park
15 miles from home 'early in the morning.'
>May she rest in peace - and her attackers never.
Amen
--
Don
Jim Tsou wrote:
> Shower wrote:
> >
> > ``I think she hung around with the wrong friends,''
> > Moua said.
>
> Does this mean she was a friend of the killers?
Many woman do know their attackers, be it rape or murder
(No, I cannot cite any specific studies - this is already passing
into the realm of general knowledge).
Susan
***** This is true. "Date rape" is, sadly, very common. Likewise, murder
victims often knew their killers.
You didn't read the entire article, did you?
When did Nickie(identified as a she) and Stacy(assuming it's a female
name) get a sex change? Is Shea a male or female name?
And where is the indication that all five are White? The article
doesn't say one way or the other.
Sage, there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Exactly which
"Asian" language do you speak? By your own admission of having the
penchant for taunting the Af in irr by speaking loudly in her native
tongue in front of the couple, you at least acknowledge fluency in one
Asian language. So which one is it?
One other thing, when E and K-Bar asked you out for a lunch date, how
come you didn't show up with your steel-toed boots and the broomstick?
As a matter of fact, you didn't show up at all, I mean, what's up with
that?
I think the females weren't directly involved in the killing, but they
helped the actual killers dispose of the body. So, what SAGE says isn't
incorrect.
> And where is the indication that all five are White? The article
> doesn't say one way or the other.
Well, one'd assume the chances of teenagers in Elk River, Minnesota are
overwhelmingly white. Maybe if the incident took place in Harlem, one
could assume, although that may not always be correct, that the
perpetrators
would be black. And beside, AFs typically don't hang out with a bunch of
black guys anyway.
> Sage, there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Exactly which
> "Asian" language do you speak? By your own admission of having the
> penchant for taunting the Af in irr by speaking loudly in her native
> tongue in front of the couple, you at least acknowledge fluency in one
> Asian language. So which one is it?
>
> One other thing, when E and K-Bar asked you out for a lunch date, how
> come you didn't show up with your steel-toed boots and the broomstick?
> As a matter of fact, you didn't show up at all, I mean, what's up with
> that?
He might be too busy as a corporate CEO to take time off just to have a
lunch date. I am sure lunch dates are important opportunities to rub
elbows with clients and other corporate big wigs.
>WaterBabe wrote:
>> The Enforcer wrote:
>> > attitude exhibited by AFs toward WMs. The five white boys probably assumed
>> You didn't read the entire article, did you?
[...]
>> And where is the indication that all five are White? The article
>> doesn't say one way or the other.
>Well, one'd assume the chances of teenagers in Elk River, Minnesota are
>overwhelmingly white. Maybe if the incident took place in Harlem, one
>could assume, although that may not always be correct, that the
>perpetrators would be black. And beside, AFs typically don't hang out with a bunch of
>black guys anyway.
Or, OTOH, let's assume Elk River, Minnesota, is one of those towns (or
near one of them) in that general area which have a large Hmong
population. Neither assumption can be relied on until somebody checks
the facts. Wild-eyed assumptions underlie a lot of the ethnic (and
class) divisions in the US. You seem to be ruling out *AA* guys doing
the crime from the get-go, Jim, since you only talk about
'overwhelmingly white' and 'bunch of black guys.' BTW, ever heard of
*Spanish* Harlem?
[...]
--
Don
It is a disgusting trend in the white community. Where does this pathos
originate?
Shower wrote in message
>Minn. Family Remembers Slain Girl
>By MARGARET TAUS Associated Press Writer
> ELK RIVER, Minn. (AP) -- In the woods near
bulldozed dirt roads where suburban homes will soon be built, Mai Houa Vang
wailed for her slain daughter's spirit to leave the spot where her killers
> dumped her.
> She swept at the bits of leaves on the ground, marked
with pink paint where a detective found the naked body of Pa Nhia Lor, 13, a
little more than a
> week earlier.
> Five [undoubtly white]teen-agers are accused in the
>attack or helping to hide the body.
> Michael Medin, 18, and Shea Holt, 17, each are charged
with one count of first-degree murder and kidnapping. Medin and another
17-year-old who was charged as a juvenile are charged with criminal sexual
conduct. Stacy Koerner, 18, and Nickie Frank, 18, are accused of being
accomplices after
> the fact for helping to hide the body.
When you see a white boy...hold tight to your children my brothers and
sisters...
>It seems more and more young white males are become child murder/rapers.
It seems C-Mod is more and more editing and changing posts to fit his
own agenda.
>It is a disgusting trend in the white community. Where does this pathos
>originate?
In other crippled minds. Surely you would recognize the symptoms.
BTW, pathos: an element in experience or in artistic representation
evoking pity or compassion. An emotion of sympathetic pity.
Are you sure that's what you meant? IMO 'bathos' describes your work
more accurately.
[...]
>> Five [undoubtly white]teen-agers are accused in the
> >attack or helping to hide the body.
Altering the original news item and post in this way is unconscionable.
No wonder nobody seriously believes anything C-Mod posts.
[...]
--
Don
> And where is the indication that all five are White? The article
> doesn't say one way or the other.
I did a little research on the case and found that all five were indeed
white. In fact, Elk River, MN is 92.8% white, according to the 1990 census.
Even though the white/Jewish media tried to make the case out to be a tragic
incidence of "random" violence where everyone involved was a "victim of
society", there was ample evidence suggesting otherwise. The white boys
didn't only rape her but also took turns ejaculating in her face before they
killed her, suggesting that the murder was an act of racial humiliation.
There's little doubt that this type of attrocity was promoted by the
cheapness with which AFs have presented themselves to whites. In an ideal
world, *ALL* AFs involved in AF/WM relationships would be raped and killed by
their white partners, but that's a subject for a different discussion.
> Sage, there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Exactly which
> "Asian" language do you speak? By your own admission of having the
> penchant for taunting the Af in irr by speaking loudly in her native
> tongue in front of the couple, you at least acknowledge fluency in one
> Asian language. So which one is it?
Sorry I can't disclose my nationality.
> One other thing, when E and K-Bar asked you out for a lunch date, how
> come you didn't show up with your steel-toed boots and the broomstick?
> As a matter of fact, you didn't show up at all, I mean, what's up with
> that?
I can't recall being invited by them to lunch, but I did invite her to my
favorite alley close to where she was staying. Unfortunately she declined.
- SAGE
Just because the white perpetrators were not members of a hate group doesn't
mean it wasn't a hate crime. In fact, I'd say 99.999% of all white racists do
not formally belong to any white supremacist organization. The white boys
didn't just rape her-- they took turns ejaculating on her face b4 they killed
her, suggesting that it *was* an act of racial humiliation. Besides, race
consiousness is so entrenched in the American society that it would be
impossible to rule out racism in any incidence involving people of different
races. I will, however, admit that AF cheapness is as much to blame as racism
in this type of incidence.
The Enforcer wrote:
> In article <361850...@my-dejanews.com>,
> WaterBabe <water...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> > And where is the indication that all five are White? The article
> > doesn't say one way or the other.
>
> I did a little research on the case and found that all five were indeed
> white. In fact, Elk River, MN is 92.8% white, according to the 1990 census.
> Even though the white/Jewish
sad old saw. No one's buying it. Okay, no one with sense.
> media tried to make the case out to be a tragic
> incidence of "random" violence where everyone involved was a "victim of
> society", there was ample evidence suggesting otherwise. The white boys
> didn't only rape her but also took turns ejaculating in her face before they
> killed her, suggesting that the murder was an act of racial humiliation.
No, it just says that they were disgusting little monsters.
> There's little doubt that this type of attrocity was promoted by the
> cheapness with which AFs have presented themselves to whites.
Then how about all the other rapes aroun the world?
I'm sure this was a race-hate crime, but it is more a gender
crime. Little different than the ones you suggest committing.
> In an ideal
> world, *ALL* AFs involved in AF/WM relationships would be raped and killed by
> their white partners, but that's a subject for a different discussion.
Yeah, like when are your keepers coming for you?
> > Sage, there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Exactly which
> > "Asian" language do you speak? By your own admission of having the
> > penchant for taunting the Af in irr by speaking loudly in her native
> > tongue in front of the couple, you at least acknowledge fluency in one
> > Asian language. So which one is it?
>
> Sorry I can't disclose my nationality.
Translation: he was lying about knowing an Asian language.
Heck, even *I* can tell when someone's speaking a foreign language,
whether I speak it myself or not!
> > One other thing, when E and K-Bar asked you out for a lunch date, how
> > come you didn't show up with your steel-toed boots and the broomstick?
> > As a matter of fact, you didn't show up at all, I mean, what's up with
> > that?
>
> I can't recall being invited by them to lunch, but I did invite her to my
> favorite alley close to where she was staying. Unfortunately she declined.
Learn to read, boy.
If it wasn't a hate crime, then how do you explain the involuntary facial cum
shots that the victim received before she was brutally murdered by the white
beasts? Many AFs, esp. in the Midwest, would die (no pun intended) to have
white boys ejaculating into their faces...a rather disgusting way to get
whitewashed if you ask me. The white boys apparently were not content having
their dicks sucked by willing AFs; they had to rape and murder one to satisfy
their white libido.
> > > Sage, there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Exactly which
> > > "Asian" language do you speak? By your own admission of having the
> > > penchant for taunting the Af in irr by speaking loudly in her native
> > > tongue in front of the couple, you at least acknowledge fluency in one
> > > Asian language. So which one is it?
> > Sorry I can't disclose my nationality.
> Translation: he was lying about knowing an Asian language.
> Heck, even *I* can tell when someone's speaking a foreign language,
> whether I speak it myself or not!
somehow that doesn't parse very well; either you stated something stupendously
obvious or you misstated... what you DID say: "i can tell when someone's not
speaking my native language, whether or not i speak that other language."
uh, can't even the MOST uneducated mook tell that? and by implication (by
using "even *i*", does that mean you're something close to the most uneducated
mook? c-mood would have a ball with that ;)
i think you meant to say "even i can tell when someone's not a native english
speaker".
sagey boy also misstates by misreading the question, on top of a really
questionable statement. first things first, language fluency does not equate
to nationality. i've met chinese who knew japanese, taiwanese who know
cantonese, vietnamese who know chinese, yada yada.
and then the "can't state my nationality" is really bizarre. why "can't" he?
does he belong to an ethnic group so small that to state it would risk his
career/identity/everything? well, maybe if he's not one of the big 4 in
numbers in the us, ch/jp/kr/fi, can he at least say that because it doesn't
narrow it down to like a dozen people in the us. but if it is one of the big
groups, i really don't see the reason for not telling.
my take is that susan's read on it is kinda right. it's kind of the twink >
overly militant, fob > overly assimilationist phenomenon i think seems to
exist on scaa (as an amplification of r.l.). so sage is really the ultimate
twink, or at least used to be, an he's trying to make up for lost time.
perhaps he was so bad a twink (his claim to great material success might not
be totally false) that no amount of militant hardness is sufficient penitance
to buy back his sold out soul.
i think the same might be said for c-mood. perhaps you might think they both
suffer some delusional self-importance, but i think their claims of success,
if a little exaggerated, are not entirely unfounded, and would explain their
overcompensatory militancy. it's a guilt complex in action, they play the
white man's game so well that they might as well be white.
just some pseudo psycho babble and even if entirely false for them (i.e. they
really ARE delusional), it does exist for some people, and it makes me feel
better to think there is a reason for all the anger :)
msg
The Enforcer wrote:
> In article <361B0003...@smartNO.SPAMnet>,
> Susan Cohen <ze...@smart.net> wrote:
> >
> > > cheapness with which AFs have presented themselves to whites.
> >
> > Then how about all the other rapes aroun the world?
> > I'm sure this was a race-hate crime, but it is more a gender
> > crime. Little different than the ones you suggest committing.
> > crime.
>
> If it wasn't a hate crime, then how do you explain the involuntary facial cum
> shots that the victim received before she was brutally murdered by the white
> beasts?
You cut the part where I said this is common for "regular" rapes,
where the point is humiliation.
Okay, so you ignored my question to the possible sex change.
Now, I'm trying very hard to believe that this is indeed a case of
race-related crime, so I hope that you can help me out here. Surely if you
took your precious time off as a CEO of a big corporation to do the
research(or maybe your White secretary did it? No matter.), you can share
the source of such vital information with the rest.
Where is it indicated that all five are White? Which newspaper, legal
paper, police report, any document that explicitly states the race(s) of all
five? Online article with photos even better. Point me to them and I'll read
them myself, don't even need to copy&paste. Thanks a bunch.
> society", there was ample evidence suggesting otherwise. The white boys
> didn't only rape her but also took turns ejaculating in her face before they
> killed her, suggesting that the murder was an act of racial humiliation.
There are only 5 names involved, exactly who took turns ejaculating in
Lor's face? Again, source for the info please.
> world, *ALL* AFs involved in AF/WM relationships would be raped and killed by
> their white partners, but that's a subject for a different discussion.
By the same token, I'm ready to pick up my favorite Chinese butcher knife,
go out there, and start cutting the dicks off of AAMs in AAM/WF
relationships. I'll start by sharpening my blade first.
> > Sage, there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Exactly which
> > "Asian" language do you speak? By your own admission of having the
> > penchant for taunting the Af in irr by speaking loudly in her native
> > tongue in front of the couple, you at least acknowledge fluency in one
> > Asian language. So which one is it?
> Sorry I can't disclose my nationality.
Who asked about your nationality? Does the fact that you are citizen of X
necessarily dictate whether you can speak X, Y or Z?
Again, by your own admission, you acknowledge fluency in at least one Asian
language regardless of your nationality, so which one is it?
> > One other thing, when E and K-Bar asked you out for a lunch date, how
> > come you didn't show up with your steel-toed boots and the broomstick?
> > As a matter of fact, you didn't show up at all, I mean, what's up with
> > that?
> I can't recall being invited by them to lunch, but I did invite her to my
> favorite alley close to where she was staying. Unfortunately she declined.
That's not what I remembered. E was late due to difficulty with her car in
bad weather, and you were not there.
Besides, I can hardly call an university library entrance an alley, unless
you like to mop the stairs with your sleeping bag's coating.
Again, why did you miss the chance of confronting an AF in person? You
aren't getting soft, are you?
True, as in "Stacy Koerner, 18, and Nickie Frank, 18, are accused of
being accomplices after the fact for helping to hide the body."
But how does that answer my original question to Sage since my question
pondered on Sage's claim on the sex of the five accused teens, not what
they are accused of having committed?
> So, what SAGE says isn't incorrect.
Neither does make it CORRECT. I'm no math wizard, can only handle
basic algebra, are we still following the tradition that 3 is not = 5?
Or is fuzzy math your speciality?
> > And where is the indication that all five are White? The article
> > doesn't say one way or the other.
> Well, one'd assume the chances of teenagers in Elk River, Minnesota are
> overwhelmingly white. Maybe if the incident took place in Harlem, one
> could assume, although that may not always be correct, that the
> perpetrators would be black. And beside, AFs typically don't hang out
> with a bunch of black guys anyway.
Still doesn't answer my above question regardless of the validity of
your kind of "facts" and "common sense". I need explicit documentation
indicating all five's race(s). Can you/anyone provide it?
> He might be too busy as a corporate CEO to take time off just to have a
> lunch date. I am sure lunch dates are important opportunities to rub
> elbows with clients and other corporate big wigs.
For all I know, he might be rubbing something other than elbows with
George Michael in a public john at a public park.
Jim Tsou, are you trying to come on to my man?
So, it was 3 instead of 5. That fact does not in any way diminish the
content and message of SAGE's post.
> Still doesn't answer my above question regardless of the validity of
> your kind of "facts" and "common sense". I need explicit documentation
> indicating all five's race(s). Can you/anyone provide it?
I think we can all safely assume the accused are indeed white, and
I am sure that can be easily verified. But what is the point of this
exercise?
> For all I know, he might be rubbing something other than elbows with
> George Michael in a public john at a public park.
>
> Jim Tsou, are you trying to come on to my man?
Agreement doesn't have to mean a come on. Was that what you'd call
fuzzy emotions?
So it was 3 boy instead of 5, what point exactly are you trying to make?
> > society", there was ample evidence suggesting otherwise. The white boys
> > didn't only rape her but also took turns ejaculating in her face before they
> > killed her, suggesting that the murder was an act of racial humiliation.
>
> There are only 5 names involved, exactly who took turns ejaculating in
> Lor's face? Again, source for the info please.
The police would not release that information. But, don't you think the
fact
that even one of them did it was enough?
> > world, *ALL* AFs involved in AF/WM relationships would be raped and killed by
> > their white partners, but that's a subject for a different discussion.
>
> By the same token, I'm ready to pick up my favorite Chinese butcher knife,
> go out there, and start cutting the dicks off of AAMs in AAM/WF
> relationships. I'll start by sharpening my blade first.
Why in the world would you do that? Those AMs are only doing their jobs
in breaking down anti-asian stereotypes... the same cannot be said for
their AF counterparts.
>Can somebody tell me what country a Hmoung is from. This is the first
>time I've heard of this term.
They are a mountain tribe people from the country Laos.
~delete "mode" to send me mail~
> Now, I'm trying very hard to believe that this is indeed a case of
> race-related crime, so I hope that you can help me out here. Surely if you
> took your precious time off as a CEO of a big corporation to do the
> research(or maybe your White secretary did it? No matter.), you can share
> the source of such vital information with the rest.
>
> Where is it indicated that all five are White? Which newspaper, legal
> paper, police report, any document that explicitly states the race(s) of all
> five? Online article with photos even better. Point me to them and I'll read
> them myself, don't even need to copy&paste. Thanks a bunch.
Hi Waterbabe,
I accidentally misplaced the articles somewhere but will post them as soon as
I find them. Right now I'm pretty tied up managing my portfolio (I have a
lot of $$$ in the stock market) due to the recent market downturn. As for the
Pa Nhia Lor case, you don't need Jew-fabricated articles to obscure the
larger picture of indecency and immorality among AFs. The Lor case just goes
to show that race whoring among our women has gotten so out-of-hand that WMs
may soon *need* to rape AFs just to get turned on by them. If all AFs who
date/marry WMs were to get raped and murdered by their white partners, I'd be
the happiest person in the world. But we're not living in a perfect world
and it's often the innocent AFs who fall victim to these white monsters. I
don't intend to speculate whether or not Lor herself deserved to die-- it's
the mere possibility that she *didn't* that bothers me. In a world where
justice prevails there would be no uncertainty cuz all whores would be
D-E-A-D.
> By the same token, I'm ready to pick up my favorite Chinese butcher knife,
> go out there, and start cutting the dicks off of AAMs in AAM/WF
> relationships. I'll start by sharpening my blade first.
If there are any AM counterparts of AF whores out there, then by all mean
take your Chinese cleaver and chop off their dicks. But I think you'll be
hard- pressed to find many AM/WF couples out there, let alone those that fall
into the same category as do most AF/WM ones. Most AMs who date/marry whites
are not motivated by the same reason as are AFs; otherwise, we would see a
lot of AMs with fat, ugly WFs out there (it's not at all uncommon to find AFs
with scrawny, geeky WMs and socially-disfunctional WM middle-agers). When I
was in college I made it a habit to take beautiful, shapely WF friends of
mine out to dinner on a regular basis, but I didn't enjoy their company as
much as I did watching all those white boys frothing at the mouth everywhere
we went. Certainly, I didn't deserve to lose my male appendage for such
heroic acts?! To tell you the truth, whenever I see an AM with an attractive
WF, I can't help but smile.
- SAGE
: I accidentally misplaced the articles somewhere but will post them as
: soon as I find them.
I wrote a story in Asian Week for this a couple weeks ago. And, yes, the
local police department, county prosecutor, and various Hmong community
groups all confirmed that all five assailants were indeed white teenagers.
Richard Lee
--
"You can't spell P-E-N-I-S without ESPN!"
--seen on a sign held by a student in the stands at the Utah vs.
Colorado St. basketball game in 1997, televised by ESPN.
The Japanese brutally invaded Asia during World War II.
As they brutally invaded Asia, the Japanese rounded up
Asian girls for Comfort Women Sex Slavery!
The Japanese forced hundreds of thousands of Asian girls
for Comfort Women Sex Slavery!
These young Asian girl Comfort Women Sex Slaves were raped
24 hours, 7 days a week! FOR YEARS!
Richard Lee, do you have any comment on my article?