ER; is it anti-asian?
Timothy J. Lee
|1) there are few asian doctors/nurses/technical support staff on this
|program, which is contrary to the contemporary scene
Contemporary scene of medical staff or television viewers in the USA?
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Well, since I haven't read the ng for three weeks, this thread may have
been posted -i don't know. I'd like to make three observations
1) there are few asian doctors/nurses/technical support staff on this
program, which is contrary to the contemporary scene. Currently, there
are more asians in medical school and in residency than the combination
of blacks, hispanics, and native americans (see Princeton Reviews guide
to medical school). I know that
there was a thread "why are there no asians on ER" posted awhile back.
now, I saw two episodes, the past two weeks, which I'd like to call
attention to. They may be reruns, again I don't know.
First, the asian specifically chinese woman was an intern/resident. When
asked
about why she wanted to be a doctor, she said that she doesn't care about
people, but wants to learn medicine for the "interesting facts." She
proceeded to "take an extended leave" from medicine. She was not featured
in recent episodes.
Personally, I find this to be offensive, people -chinese women not
withstanding- are not accepted to medical school on the premise to learn
interesting facts and take an extended leave (quit?) and lose all that
money. I talked with an admissions officer here at the U of I and of
paramount importance is to show to medical admissions boards that the
prospective premed really cares
about people. As far as I know, she's the show's (ER) only asian doctor,
and so
she in effect represents asian doctors to the general public. By stating
that patient care is not her primary concern seems to me that ER is
saying asian doctors do not primarily care about patients. Why not have
more asian doctors, and have show some of them truly dedicated to the
task of alleviating human suffering? I know of a korean doctor who went
to Africa on a christian missionary, and offered his services free to the
africans because of his commiment to christ. Why not show this?
Example 3: case of Mr. Chang. Near the end of an episode, just two weeks
ago, a chinese woman was treated for very very serious injuries and
bruising. Her husband, Mr. Chang was questioned by the doctor and a
nurse. They suspected that Mr. Chang was a wife-beater, and questioned
him. They asked him what happened, and he said his wife fell off a chair
or something. Still suspicious, the nurse and doctor recommended that the
wife gets put in an wife-abusive shelter. He insisted he did nothing
wrong. So they asked the only son. The son had a terrified look, and when
asked whether his father is telling the truth, hesitated, and only nodded
his head. Mr. Chang, visibly angry, "thanked" the staff for their
concern, and left with his family.
What I find offensive is that it seems to smear asian men's reputation.
Mr. Chang spoke with a pronounced accent, but was well dressed, as was
his family, suggesting professional success. The idea I think is that
however educated or professional asian males achieve, they are misogynist
wife-beating sexist male chauvinist. Second, he denied beating his wife,
and asserted that there was an accident. Clearly, he lied, suggesting
that you can't trust orientals, that they are a bunch of liars.
The wife's injuries are inconsitent with a fall. Third,
his wife and son were strangely silent. Again, asian fathers tyrannize
and beat and threaten and intimidate their family. Fourth, since it was a
white male doctor/female nurse who suggested to put the wife in a shelter
home for battered women. Again, the myth that american (males) who must
"rescue" intimidated and beaten asian women from cruel asian male masters.
Fifth, how many instances of presentation of women beaten by their
husbands in the who were by nonasians? In the four episodes I saw (a
small sample indeed) this was the only case, and if the only wife beating
example stems from an asian man to an asian women, what do you come away
thinking?
Well, that's how I see it. I don't plan to watch the show anymore. As
always, corrections are invited.
I am writing because I feel it is paramount to raise social awareness on
visual media racism. I want to claim that in the episodes that I've seen,
ER promotes just that.
Daniel Hwang
>dhw...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Hwang) writes:
>|1) there are few asian doctors/nurses/technical support staff on this
>|program, which is contrary to the contemporary scene
>Contemporary scene of medical staff or television viewers in the USA?
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well, timothy, since there are so many asian in the medical field/staff,
and the goal of doctor syndicate programs is to achieve realistic
depiction of current u.s, i mean contemary scene of medical staff.
imagine, after all, a tv series about contemporary, u.s, student, aspriring
professional athletes, and most of them were white males! such a program
would ignore both the presence and contribution of today's african
americans in sports. worse, what if what few bm's that were depicted were
involved into crime or drugs or beating their gf's? wouldn't most african
american cite such a sitcom as an example of visual media racism? I want
to claim, using very specific examples from ER, that the show is guilty
of much the same thing. I think it's about time that such shows better
reflect the contemporary u.s medical staff. why disagree with this?
Timothy J. Lee
|tim...@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
|
|>dhw...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Hwang) writes:
|>|1) there are few asian doctors/nurses/technical support staff on this
|>|program, which is contrary to the contemporary scene
|
|>Contemporary scene of medical staff or television viewers in the USA?
|
|and the goal of doctor syndicate programs is to achieve realistic
|depiction of current u.s, i mean contemary scene of medical staff.
No, television shows in the USA has a primary goal of attracting
viewers in order to attract greater advertising revenue.
Realism is often distorted or ignored to achieve this goal. That
isn't necessarily a good thing, but it is important to know why
it happens.
| I think it's about time that such shows better
|reflect the contemporary u.s medical staff. why disagree with this?
No disagreement here. However, television show producers probably
believe that since most people who watch television are non-asian,
they will not be inclined to watch a show with lots of asian people
in it. Think of the television shows set in Hawaii where all of
the main characters were white or black.
Perhaps it would be more constructive to see if there are any studies
indicating whether this belief is true or not. If it is, then it is
an uphill battle, since you're fighting against the color green. If
it is not, then you have more ammunition to use.
Scott Yang
: What I find offensive is that it seems to smear asian men's reputation.
: Mr. Chang spoke with a pronounced accent, but was well dressed, as was
: his family, suggesting professional success. The idea I think is that
: however educated or professional asian males achieve, they are misogynist
: wife-beating sexist male chauvinist. Second, he denied beating his wife,
: and asserted that there was an accident. Clearly, he lied, suggesting
: that you can't trust orientals, that they are a bunch of liars.
: The wife's injuries are inconsitent with a fall. Third,
: his wife and son were strangely silent. Again, asian fathers tyrannize
: and beat and threaten and intimidate their family. Fourth, since it was a
: white male doctor/female nurse who suggested to put the wife in a shelter
: home for battered women. Again, the myth that american (males) who must
: "rescue" intimidated and beaten asian women from cruel asian male masters.
: Fifth, how many instances of presentation of women beaten by their
: husbands in the who were by nonasians? In the four episodes I saw (a
: small sample indeed) this was the only case, and if the only wife beating
: example stems from an asian man to an asian women, what do you come away
: thinking?
I really don't see it the same way as you. The show is based in Chicago.
I went to Med school in Milwaukee. There aren't a whole lot of Asian
nursing, tech, support staff in this area. Most Asian Med students flocked
back to california for residency. SO the picture of ER from the TV set
looks pretty much like what I see in the MidWest. Now if this was a show
about medical school with 1 asian, that would be a totally different matter
because there's zillions. Chicago isn't a popular destination for Asians to
do there internship.
Also, The Asian intern I believe is a third year med student. I know a lot
of med students back then who could care less for patient care, that is why
many chose specialties with less patient care experiences.
As for the old Mr. Chang, Asians have the same problems as everyone else.
That Mr. Chang in real life probably has a real accent. I still remember
the Move Yaer of the Dragon with all the protesting about how they portrayed
negative images of Asians. Hey, I'm from Taiwan, knows friends who joined
the Taiwanese Triad mafias. Asians have a very ugly side of culture like
all other races. It's important to show even the negative images of
asians. Every person who rolls into the ER of "ER" has some kind of
personal problem, that is what makes the show interesting. If some Asian
rolls in and is the epitome of his race and a can't do know wrong male, why
would it make an interesting segment on the show? I don't know. I don't
read too deeply into these things. I watch of the "alomost" real medical
realism.
-Scott
R. Tang
Timothy J. Lee <tim...@netcom.com> wrote:
>dhw...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Hwang) writes:
>| I think it's about time that such shows better
>|reflect the contemporary u.s medical staff. why disagree with this?
>No disagreement here. However, television show producers probably
>believe that since most people who watch television are non-asian,
>they will not be inclined to watch a show with lots of asian people
>in it. Think of the television shows set in Hawaii where all of
>the main characters were white or black.
>
>Perhaps it would be more constructive to see if there are any studies
>indicating whether this belief is true or not.
No study, but the producers of STAR TREK VOYAGER had designated
Tom Paris (the standard white guy) to be the resident sex object. Imagine
their surprise when the female fans stated THEIR preference were Robert
Beltran (Chakotay) and Garrett Wang (Harry Kim).
I'd say there's a lesson there......
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The most unAmerican thing you can say is "He/she makes too much money."
Phred
>As for the old Mr. Chang, Asians have the same problems as everyone else.
>That Mr. Chang in real life probably has a real accent. I still remember
>the Move Yaer of the Dragon with all the protesting about how they portrayed
>negative images of Asians. Hey, I'm from Taiwan, knows friends who joined
>the Taiwanese Triad mafias. Asians have a very ugly side of culture like
>all other races. It's important to show even the negative images of
>asians.
I don't disagree with you about Asians having a ugly side also. But the point was that the
only images on TV about Asian males are very negative and stereotypically (Russel is quite
and exception - boy, isn't his chinese horrible). TV and movies can't use an Asian male in the
show with out digging up old typecasts. All we are talking about is equal representation.
pHred
Laertes321
Isn't Michael Crichton, who wrote that
hate mongering trash "Rising Sun," associated with the show?
Paul Wang
>Remember Michael Crichton the author of Rising Sun (the novel that
>turned into that Japan-bashing movie?) well he's also the screenwriter
>for ER. Gee what an interesting coincidence. Is he anit-Asian? You
>tell me.
Actually, I think he's the producer, not the screenwriter. But his
input guides the direction of the show, including the portrayel of the
"I'm just interested in the science, not the patients" Asian med
student character.
--Paul
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Lucy Yau
turned into that Japan-bashing movie?) well he's also the screenwriter
for ER. Gee what an interesting coincidence. Is he anit-Asian? You
tell me.
Lucy
David Hisakazu Inoue
>In article <41p1bb$8...@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lucy Yau <l...@columbia.edu> writes:
>Actually, I think he's the producer, not the screenwriter. But his
>input guides the direction of the show, including the portrayel of the
>"I'm just interested in the science, not the patients" Asian med
>student character.
>--Paul
Crichton is the producer and creator of ER, but has little to do with it now.
He is actually an MD, and as he went to med school a while ao, I assume, his
experience probably didn't involve as much experience with Asians.
In response to a previous post trying to explain the absence of Asians as due
to it being in Chicago, that is farther from the truth than any other
possibility. Even here in Columbus there is a noticeable Asian population in
the med school here at OSU as well as in University Hospital and the local
hospitals and clinics. Univ of Chicago med as well as NU both have very large
Asian American populations. I remember several years ago when interviewing
for HPME at Chicago, everyone I met from that program was Asian American.
With the makeup of Chicago demographics, there should actually probably be
more African Americans and Asian Americans both.
But then again, it's TV, so who cares. Get out and do something more
worthwhile with your life during that one hour, like the internet. ;-)
David
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Steve Wei
says:
>
>Isn't Michael Crichton, who wrote that
>hate mongering trash "Rising Sun," associated with the show?
yes. and it's very obvious from michael crichton's work (rising sun,
disclosure, etc.) that he has made himself out to be the voice of the
'white male victim of reverse discrimination'. which may explain his
popularity. he does seem to do his job quite well.
peace.
Steve Wei
Paul Wang
>Crichton is the producer and creator of ER, but has little to do with it now.
>He is actually an MD, and as he went to med school a while ao, I assume, his
>experience probably didn't involve as much experience with Asians.
Just to add a couple comments. Crichton was a grad of Harvard Med to
be exact. However, his degree was "conditional". During his 4th
year, he became incredibly disenchanted with medicine and started to
"skip classes" during his clinical clerkships and sub-internships. He
was much more interested in pursuing a writing career.
Eventually it got so out of hand that he was in danger of flunking
out. In a meeting with the dean of the medical school, Crichton
explained his lack of motivation and how his passion had moved on to
writing novels. The dean and Crichton made a deal. The dean agreed
to give him his degree on a verbal reassurance from Crichton that
Crichton would pursue his writing career with a vengeance and never
actually practice medicine. The rest is history.
Crichton has said that the concept of ER was based on his personal
experience in the ER as a 3rd yr medical student fresh out of basic
science courses and green as grass.
I can't really comment on whether he interacted with a lot of Asians
at HMS, but he's not all that old. And HMS has been loaded with AAs
for a long time...
Peter Kang
>In article <41psgk$8...@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> wa...@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Paul Wang) writes:
>>In article <41p1bb$8...@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lucy Yau <l...@columbia.edu> writes:
>>>Remember Michael Crichton the author of Rising Sun (the novel that
>>>turned into that Japan-bashing movie?) well he's also the screenwriter
>>>for ER. Gee what an interesting coincidence. Is he anit-Asian? You
>>>tell me.
He also wrote Jurassic Park, Andromeda Strain, Congo, WestWorld, and
and whole lot of things completely unrelated to Asians. He's
basically, a science fiction writer who's side light is social issues.
Labeling him "anti-Asian" would be pedestrian and totally beside the
point.
>>Actually, I think he's the producer, not the screenwriter. But his
>>input guides the direction of the show, including the portrayel of the
>>"I'm just interested in the science, not the patients" Asian med
>>student character.
If the character had been portrayed as "I'm interested in the
science AND the patients." would you be complaining of Crichton
knocking out a caricature? Not much suspense in having a
character like that.
>>--Paul
>Crichton is the producer and creator of ER, but has little to do with it now.
>He is actually an MD, and as he went to med school a while ao, I assume, his
>experience probably didn't involve as much experience with Asians.
Probably not much more that seeing the tops of their heads, as
Crichton is 6'11". Crichton himself seems to have a victim complex
too. "I'm suffer from heightism, as I'm a very tall man" Imagine
that.
>In response to a previous post trying to explain the absence of Asians as due
>to it being in Chicago, that is farther from the truth than any other
>possibility. Even here in Columbus there is a noticeable Asian population in
>the med school here at OSU as well as in University Hospital and the local
>hospitals and clinics. Univ of Chicago med as well as NU both have very large
>Asian American populations.
No kidding. N**ds 'r' s. Why doesn't ER just go all the way and get
real true to life. Episode 1 : The stiff Dr. Yang Xie Yu finds a
pronunciation tutor. Talkative Dr. Goldberg hits on nun too attractive
Dr. Sally Wong, order out for a couple of reubens. Nurse Iniki posts
all night in the Emergency Room, one patient comes in with a broken
arm.
> I remember several years ago when interviewing
>for HPME at Chicago, everyone I met from that program was Asian American.
>With the makeup of Chicago demographics, there should actually probably be
>more African Americans and Asian Americans both.
>But then again, it's TV, so who cares. Get out and do something more
>worthwhile with your life during that one hour, like the internet. ;-)
TV is dead! Right on. Why watch stereotypes and cut-out characters
when you can interact with them right here.
>David
Peter Kang
Paul Wang
>If the character had been portrayed as "I'm interested in the
>science AND the patients." would you be complaining of Crichton
>knocking out a caricature? Not much suspense in having a
>character like that.
Hmm. I guess the other med student Carter is incredibly boring
then...
Steve Wei
>
>: yes. and it's very obvious from michael crichton's work (rising sun,
>: disclosure, etc.) that he has made himself out to be the voice of the
>: 'white male victim of reverse discrimination'. which may explain his
>: popularity. he does seem to do his job quite well.
>
> What do you and the others think of _Medicine Ball_? Maybe I should
>ask in the past tense--I'm not sure it's still on. But, as I recall,
>that show had at least one Asian character, and the acting was pretty
>decent...
I hadn't watched it... but I heard from people that it was pretty cool...
>Kenda
peace.
Steve Wei
Joan Shields
>Hey Steve,
> What do you and the others think of _Medicine Ball_? Maybe I should
>ask in the past tense--I'm not sure it's still on. But, as I recall,
>that show had at least one Asian character, and the acting was pretty
>decent...
Well, I'm not Steve but I guess I'm the local expert on "Medicine Ball"
and Darryl Fong ... :)
"Medicine Ball" suffered more from predictable and dull writing than
anything else. The three main characters were in a love-triangle that
was pretty obvious from the start (I've seen most of the episodes - caught
the pilot in a re-reun - more on this later). Donal, he played the doctor
from an Irish American family who was the first in his family to go to
college (had that problem with not telling the wife that her husband was
dead) is a very good actor and, IMO, was allowed to show that best of the
lot though he ended up being relegated to a sort of comic relief later on.
Darryl did well, I thought, given the material - the episode after
Elizabeth's death is a good example. The little speech he gives to
Patrick was great at first but then the writing kind of suddenly went
south for me but I think Darryl managed to pull it off well.
Regarding the pilot episode - I thought Darryl's character was a lot more
interesting then than later on. I was watching it, expecting him to be as
he was in the other episodes but in the first one the writing was much
better and his character more complex and not at all stereotypical - even
along the lines of being "doctor" stereotypical.
All in all though, even with a good cast that tried it's damnedest it was
the writing that sunk the show. I would have thought that they'd have
been more willing to take chances and go in a new direction being that
they were one of three medical shows on network TV and the last to get on.
I think that frustrated me the most - that they didn't take chances and
head out for new ground but instead rehashed old news and cliches and the
occasional "doctor fantasies".
Oh yea, "Medicine Ball" was cancelled. Actually, very few of Fox's new
shows from last fall made it. The cast did get these postcards with a
cast photo - Darryl gave me one and I have it here at work among my other
postcards.
joan
I'll forward this thread to Darryl and see if he wants to comment, or has
time to - he's been busy writing lately.
Margaret Chau
and the writing was really bad and cheesy. I mean you can predict what
the dialogue will be from the actors. Although, you may think I'm bias,
but , yes, Darryl Fong's character was really interesting. His character
didn't signify one single Asian male stereotype! Now why can't Hollywood
write scripts like that. Fear? Lack of talent? Maybe.
Maggie
ARNDOG22
I have been wondering the same thing. While ER makes for spectacular
television, its portrayals of all people of color are questionable. I
interviewed Ming-Na Wen (who played doctor chen) for the upcoming YOLK
magazine, and she said that she felt that her exit was a quick and easy
way to write her off the show, not an attempt by the writers to slag on
Asians.
However, we all know that the images we see of ourselves, especially when
written by white writers, come from somewhere. Something in these writers
tells them that we behave in a certain way, or act a certain way, and it
shows up for a national audience to view.
Black people are always in some sort of trouble, (12-year-old boy brings a
gun to the ER to off his latest victim who is already dead or Black man
accused of exposing his children to crack cocaine), when they enter that
emergency room, and where are all the Pilipino/a nurses? Have the writers
ever been a real emergency room? What about the Chinese couple who tried
to induce labor so their child would not be born in the year of the pig?
It is hard to resist a show that is so visually captivating. While the
script leaves a lot to be desired, you and I are one of the few that even
notice these seemingly minute but ultimately glaring details.
Stay Strong
Phred
>Well, I'm not Steve but I guess I'm the local expert on "Medicine Ball"
>and Darryl Fong ... :)
So I guess you and Darryl are tight, huh? :-) I saw the episode that Elizabeth died. I liked it
how Darryl's character spoke spanish to her family. touching, very touching. it shows how
people in this country can be open to different experiences and surroundings. it also shows
the possiblity of what America can be as a whole.
what I hated about it is that he didn't end up with the girl. Putting aside Russel (Wong),
most Asian male characters on the T.V., right now the only weekly Asian male character is
Ensign Harry Kim on Star Trek Voyager (if I am wrong please post corrections). And he never
gets the girl. the one time he almost even kisses someone, he finds a possible way to get
home faster. Darryl's character on Medicine Ball has his almost girlfriend die.
just my ranting and raving.
pHred
Mr. Phipps
>
> right now the only weekly Asian male character is
>Ensign Harry Kim on Star Trek Voyager (if I am wrong please post corrections). And he never
>gets the girl. the one time he almost even kisses someone, he finds a possible way to get
Yeah but at least he has a girlfriend back on Earth... so it isn't a
question of him being considered unattractive.
Martin
Phred
>Yeah but at least he has a girlfriend back on Earth... so it isn't a
>question of him being considered unattractive.
oh, but it does matter. we never see his girlfriend. rarely does he talk
about it. and I'm not saying he is unattractive, many female Treksters
love him and think he is more of a sex symbol then the guy who plays
Paris, and he is supposed to be the sex symbol. just one more example
of no respect.
R. Tang
Mr. Phipps <CXM...@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> wrote:
>In article <42h5qv$s...@hilbert.dnai.com> Phred <ct...@dnai.com> writes:
>>right now the only weekly Asian male character is
>>Ensign Harry Kim on Star Trek Voyager (if I am wrong please post corrections).
>>And he never gets the girl. the one time he almost even kisses
>>someone, he finds a possible way to get home faster.
>question of him being considered unattractive.
Hell, a LOT of women find him pretty damn attractive (at least,
judging by convention fan reaction). Surprised the hell out of the
producers. And since we won't see second season shows for another two
weeks, we won't see the producer response to fan reaction for quite some
time (remember, the new shows we're seeing now are holdovers from Season 1).
Daniel Hwang
What about the Chinese couple who tried
to induce labor so their child would not be born in the year of the pig?
what???????
IS there any chinese american person who would suggest that this practice
has some validity? I'm tempted to dismiss this as outrageous bullshit,
excuse my language.
dan
Mr. Phipps
>"Mr. Phipps" <CXM...@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> wrote:
>
>>Yeah but at least he has a girlfriend back on Earth... so it isn't a
>>question of him being considered unattractive.
>
>about it. and I'm not saying he is unattractive, many female Treksters
>love him and think he is more of a sex symbol then the guy who plays
>Paris, and he is supposed to be the sex symbol. just one more example
>of no respect.
The fact that he's ha a girlfriend means he's doing better than Geordi
ever did. Besides, as Roger pointed out, we're still seeing season 1
episodes.
Martin
John Paulus
: In article <05SEP95.16...@VM1.MCGILL.CA>,
: Mr. Phipps <CXM...@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> wrote:
: >In article <42h5qv$s...@hilbert.dnai.com> Phred <ct...@dnai.com> writes:
: >>right now the only weekly Asian male character is
: Ensign Harry Kim on Star Trek Voyager (if I am wrong please post
corrections).
: >>And he never gets the girl. the one time he almost even kisses
: >>someone, he finds a possible way to get home faster.
: >question of him being considered unattractive.
: Hell, a LOT of women find him pretty damn attractive (at least,
: judging by convention fan reaction). Surprised the hell out of the
: producers. And since we won't see second season shows for another two
: weeks, we won't see the producer response to fan reaction for quite some
: time (remember, the new shows we're seeing now are holdovers from Season 1).
: --
: Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
: STILL just another theatre geek....
:The most unAmerican thing you can say is "He/she makes too much money."
Ens. Kim is attractive to women? Hmm...it seems being faithful *is*
something men should aspire to. (in reference to his girl back home).
Personally, i'd love to see an Episode where we see a holodeck recreation of
her (and heck, of the other people "left behind")...my vision is that of
Margaret Cho, similar to her stand-up/sit com character. It would certainly
shock the crew. Also, it'd be appropriate, since Garrett appeared on
"All-American Girl" as the "dream date".
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>
>Personally, i'd love to see an Episode where we see a holodeck recreation of
>her (and heck, of the other people "left behind")...my vision is that of
>Margaret Cho, similar to her stand-up/sit com character. It would certainly
>shock the crew. Also, it'd be appropriate, since Garrett appeared on
>"All-American Girl" as the "dream date".
Uh, right. So you want to see him with Margaret Cho on the holodeck,
Joan wants to see him with one of the Delany sisters and I, personally,
like the idea of seeing him with Lieutenant Torres.
I guess we're all Star Trek voyeurs (ouch!).
Martin
vanda nagy
vanda
TchdnJesus
=Personally, i'd love to see an Episode where we see a holodeck recreation
of
=her (and heck, of the other people "left behind")...
apparently(sp?), you will sometime this season.
my vision is that of
=Margaret Cho, similar to her stand-up/sit com character. It would
certainly
=shock the crew. Also, it'd be appropriate, since Garrett appeared on
="All-American Girl" as the "dream date".
what makes you assume Ens. Kim's girlfriend is asian(-clusterfuck)?
...poor old Johnny Yen set himself on fire again...