ASIAN vs. ORIENTAL.
Thomas Cho
me to think that some Asians today still associate themselves as
"Orientals." It's bad enough that we have to hear it from other races...
but from our own? For those who are still not aware of the meaning of
"Oriental," please read on.
I remembered I picked this out from somewhere but I can't remember when
or where I got this from; or who wrote it. So I apologize that I'm
unable to cite the source.
Asian vs. Oriental
(anonymous)
Asian, is not Oriental.
head bowed, submissive, industrious
model minority
hard working, studious, quiet
Asian, is not Oriental.
Lotus blossom, exotic passion flower
inscrutable
Asian, is not talking Oriental.
"Ahh so," ching chong chinaman
"no tickee, no washee"
Oriental, is a white man's word.
Oriental is jap, flip, chink, gook
it's "how 'bout a back rub mama-san"
it's "you people could teach them niggers
and mexicans a thing or two, you're good people,
none of that hollerin' and protesting"
Oriental, is slanty eyes, glasses, and buck teeth.
Charlie Chan, Tokyo Rose, Madam Butterfly
it's "a half hour after eating chinese food
you're hungry again"
it's houseboys, gardeners, and laundrymen
Oriental is a fad; yin-yang, kung fu
"say one of them funny words for me"
Oriental is downcast eyes, china doll, "they all look alike"
Oriental is sneaky, Oriental is a white man's word
We(as Asians) are NOT Oriental,
we have learned the word all our lives
we have learned to be Oriental
we have learned to live it, speak it, play the role
and to survive in the white world...become the role
The time has come to look at who gave the name.
Peter Kang
>I was reading a post about Asians and Caucasians just now and it bothered
>me to think that some Asians today still associate themselves as
>"Orientals." It's bad enough that we have to hear it from other races...
>but from our own? For those who are still not aware of the meaning of
>"Oriental," please read on.
>I remembered I picked this out from somewhere but I can't remember when
>or where I got this from; or who wrote it. So I apologize that I'm
>unable to cite the source.
I know who wrote it! It's was written by Julie Min of Dercy, Idaho.
She wrote it for Mrs. Pedigo's Social Studies class at Wilmester Jr.
High.
Peter
BTW, I have the documentation, $10 handling charge will be required
for all who want it snail mailed to them.
Thomas Cho
: cho...@chelsea.ios.com (Thomas Cho) wrote:
: Peter
Peter...
Thanks for the info.
Thomas.
David Finley
I have followed this "Asian vs. Oriental" controversy for some time,
and am mystified by it. I have traveled a bit in Asia, and have found
many Asians who describe themselves as "Oriental" (and are mystified
by this controversy!?). My Wife, who's Asian, is especially mystified
by it! Not to mention my in-laws. Even White Yahoos who use slurs in
every sentence directed at a minority, don't say "You dirty Orientals!"
(Actually, they say TRULY nasty things! Things that if ever directed
at my wife, kids, or in-laws put me in a HOMICIDAL Mood!).
Truly, sincerely, what gives? I admit that "Oriental" is somewhat
archaic (it was originated by the English in the last century). But
"Offsensive"?
--
The Big D
Martin F. Phipps
>Oriental is an offensive term. inated
One could take the point of view that there exist offensive terms.
Or one could take the view that there are offensively racist people.
Martin
David Kan
against Asian Americans, specifically the Chinese. The early 20th century
laws and literature always described the Asians as, "a race that is backward
and Oriental." Truly disgusting and degrading. It is a term of derision that
really has no place as a label for a group of people.
In article <lab_user-141...@134.139.57.48>,
lab_...@csulb.edu (Computer Lab User) wrote:
>In article <47n9fp$f...@news.ycc.yale.edu>, ca...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
>(Andrew Chin) wrote:
>
>> David Finley (fin...@qnet.com) wrote:
>>
>> : Truly, sincerely, what gives? I admit that "Oriental" is somewhat
>> : archaic (it was originated by the English in the last century). But
>> : "Offsensive"?
>>
>> If you're really interested in exploring this issue in depth and
>> intellectual honesty, a good place to start would be Edward Said's
>> "Orientalism."
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Chin
>> Yale Law School
>> ca...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
>
>
David Kan
Northwestern University Medical School 99'
Chicago, IL 60611
fis...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
ASIAN AMERICAN STUDIES NOW
Don Kirkman
>Oriental is an offensive term. It was used in legislation that discriminated
>against Asian Americans, specifically the Chinese.
It was also used in fiction, in scholarly writings, and in general
English usage--so what?
> The early 20th century laws and literature always described the Asians as, "a race that is >
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>backward and Oriental."
How about a few citations of such descriptions? And you realize, of
course, that even one citation that does *not* describe Asians that way
destroys your position that they *always* do?
> Truly disgusting and degrading. It is a term of derision that
>really has no place as a label for a group of people.
Any term of derision really has no place as a label for a group of
people. Your burden, though, is to prove that "Oriental" *is meant* as
a term of derision.
Don Kirkman do...@a.crl.com
Cerritos, California, USA
"I know of no rights of race superior to the rights of man"
Frederick Douglass
David Kan
"a race that is >
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>>backward and Oriental."
>
>How about a few citations of such descriptions? And you realize, of
>course, that even one citation that does *not* describe Asians that way
>destroys your position that they *always* do?
>
Check out the Immigration act of 1924.
>> Truly disgusting and degrading. It is a term of derision that
>>really has no place as a label for a group of people.
>
>Any term of derision really has no place as a label for a group of
>people. Your burden, though, is to prove that "Oriental" *is meant* as
>a term of derision.
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>Don Kirkman do...@a.crl.com
>Cerritos, California, USA
>"I know of no rights of race superior to the rights of man"
> Frederick Douglass