Why so many Asian handjob places?
leerh
: The rest are fronts for prostitution and often controlled by asian
: gangs.
While I agree on the first part of that statement, what evidence at all
do you have for the Asian gang assertion?
Richard Lee
Happi Chin
they are similar, this might explain part of it since immigrants tend to try
to set up businesses that are familiar to them, especially if they cater to
people of that same culture.
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> 100 asian business owners surveyed were asked the question "What
> is the most popular type of Asian American Business?" The number
> one answer was restaurant, number two was Nail/hair Salon and
> number three, Asian Massage Parlor.
>
> It turns out that there are roughly 22,000 unlicensed Asian
> massage parlors operating at any one time in the United States.
> Based on police and government statistics only about one quarter
> of this amount are legitimate. The rest are fronts for
> prostitution and often controlled by asian gangs.
>
> Unlicensed Asian American Massage Parlors are routinely busted
> from coast to coast, many just being raided recently in a Vice
> sting operation throughout the northeast. One only need go visit
> downtown SF, Californa to realize what's going on here. It's
> further estimated that the majority of the customers frequenting
> these establishments are asians, followed closely by whites, then
> blacks and latinos.
>
> Typically, these places get raided frequently, either due to an
> unhappy customer (or John) who didn't get what he was looking
> for, an upset wife or girlfriend, or an angry employee. But they
> usually set up shop somewhere else down the road.
>
> A typical massage parlor owner can clear between 1200 to 2500 per
> day depending on the door fee (sometimes fifty dollars). The
> women can make double that, depending on what "services" are
> offered.
>
leerh
: These massage/sex shop women are often brought here by gangs,
: with promises of legitimate jobs, only to be pressured into
: becoming sex slaves and only being allowed to leave once their
: "debt" is paid.
From what I've read and seen, these massage/sex shop women are often
ex-wives of U.S. servicemen who were bargirls and prostitutes in whatever
Asian country they were from...and after leaving their husbands, they
returned to their old profession. The places are not run by gangs, but by
other Asian women, many of whom are former bargirls and prostitutes
themselves, albeit older.
Richard Lee
Walter Lee
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For all his superior intellect, Mr. "Superior IQ" forgot to include
the references for this statistics.
Check
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A typical massage parlor owner can clear between 1200 to 2500 per
> |> day depending on the door fee (sometimes fifty dollars). The
> |> women can make double that, depending on what "services" are
> |> offered.
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> For all his superior intellect, Mr. "Superior IQ" forgot to include
> the references for this statistics.
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> http://www.sfweekly.com/1998/120298/bayview1.html
Whatever the reference Walter- it isn't the above citation. That article is
more about police extortion.
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|> 100 asian business owners surveyed were asked the question "What
|> is the most popular type of Asian American Business?" The number
|> one answer was restaurant, number two was Nail/hair Salon and
|> number three, Asian Massage Parlor.
this survey sounds bogus.
The most popular Asian-american businesses
from most popular to least popular
is more likely to be
-----------------------------------------
Restaurant
-restaurant
-carryout
-bakery
-deli.
Retail
-Jewelry
-Grocery/liquor
-import/export/gift
-oriental rugs/carpeting/rugs
-furniture
-books/music/video
Dry Cleaning.
Computer services
VARs
Consulting
Medical/Dental/Optometry Services.
Nail/hair salon <==
Travel agency
martial arts school
Construction/Home improvement/repairs
massage Parlor <===
legal services
Gasoline stations
Hotels/inns
manufacturing
-clothing
-light industry
|> It turns out that there are roughly 22,000 unlicensed Asian
|> massage parlors operating at any one time in the United States.
This estimate sound suspiciously.
|> Based on police and government statistics only about one quarter
|> of this amount are legitimate.
This sounds really stupid.
---------------------
If there are 22,000 unlicensed businesses then
all 22,000 unlicensed business are illegitimate!
|> The rest are fronts for prostitution and often controlled
|> by asian gangs. Unlicensed Asian American Massage Parlors
|> are routinely busted from coast to coast, many just being
|> raided recently in a Vice sting operation throughout the
|> northeast. One only need go visit downtown SF, Californa
|> to realize what's going on here. It's further estimated
|> that the majority of the customers frequenting these
|> establishments are asians, followed closely by whites, then
|> blacks and latinos.
Do massage parlors do customer surveys?
I would think whites would be last since I am
expecting them to go upscale and go through
the more expensive escort service.
In NYC - police busts of asian massage parlors
is often based on the suspicions that it is a *snakeheads*'
operation and the women involved are illegal immigrants.
|> Typically, these places get raided frequently, either due to an
|> unhappy customer (or John) who didn't get what he was looking
|> for, an upset wife or girlfriend, or an angry employee. But they
|> usually set up shop somewhere else down the road.
|> A typical massage parlor owner can clear between 1200 to 2500 per
|> day depending on the door fee (sometimes fifty dollars). The
|> women can make double that, depending on what "services" are
|> offered.
While prostitution is illegal in most parts
of the USA, Massage palors are still legal.
In some places in the USA, prostitution is
legal.
Prostitution also work through...
escort services
Brothels
Clubs-Swingers,Pardise,etc
Role-Playing services
Travel/Trip services
individual recommendations (pimp/johns)
streetwalking/hustling
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For all his superior intellect, Mr. "Superior IQ" forgot to include
the references for this statistics. Senility must be near...
The only statistical study on Prostitution in the USA
I found was here. But they didnt break down their
estimated 1 million USA prostitutes down by ethnicity.
see http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html
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> A typical massage parlor owner can clear between 1200 to 2500 per
> > |> day depending on the door fee (sometimes fifty dollars). The
> > |> women can make double that, depending on what "services" are
> > |> offered.
> > ======================================================================
> > For all his superior intellect, Mr. "Superior IQ" forgot to include
> > the references for this statistics.
> >
> >
> > http://www.sfweekly.com/1998/120298/bayview1.html
>
> Whatever the reference Walter- it isn't the above citation. That article is
> more about police extortion.
Actually the report is much more than that. It describe
the massage parlor business and the a vice squad bust.
==========================================================
Wages of Vice
Police find a way to make money by busting massage parlors
By Renata Huang
....
Clamping down on the city’s massage parlors has become
politically fashionable of late. With housing tight and builders
scouring San Francisco for new sites, city officials say they are
receiving a steady stream of complaints from neighbors and
developers concerned about threats to their property values.
In the past six months, police have stepped up their arrests of
massage parlor workers, according to vice squad Officer Bob
Davis. The Board of Supervisors recently extended a moratorium
preventing any new parlors from opening in the Tenderloin and the
Mission. District Attorney Terence Hallinan has taken to boasting
about his efforts to crack down on the trade.
The official vigilance is a tad hypocritical, since the city licenses
massage parlors in the first place, making it one of the few
segments of the sex trades subject to some form of city regulation.
Unlike streetwalkers, massage parlors and their employees pay the
city for permission to work, about $137,000 collectively each year.
The money is earmarked for the Police, Public Works, and city
Planning departments. There are 74 licensed establishments right
now, employing an estimated 300 workers. The parlors pay $1,367
each for a license, and individual workers pay $200 for their initial
permits, which can then be renewed for $57 a year.
To get a permit, a masseuse fills out an application with the vice
squad. She must have a clean criminal record for the previous two
years, and a certificate from a licensed massage school showing
she has completed 70 hours of therapy training. In truth, one
former massage worker says, it’s easy to buy the required
certificates for $1,500 without attending any classes. (Several
California cities have much tougher requirements aimed at
weeding out sex workers while licensing legitimate businesses.
Daly City, Santa Clara, and Orange County, for instance, require
massage therapists to complete 500 hours of training and pass a
written anatomy test.)
The city has been collecting licensing fees for decades. But only
within the past two years have the police figured out how to make
money by busting the parlors as well.
The practice began after Hallinan was elected district attorney.
Under former DA Arlo Smith’s regime, most cases against
massage parlor workers were dismissed and enforcement
languished, says current DA spokesman John Shanley.
After Hallinan took office, he moved to change things. He decided
to funnel massage parlor cases into a diversion program run by
California Community Dispute Services.
CCDS was a curious choice. The nonprofit agency was
established in the 1970s to offer mediation services for warring
parties, such as neighbors with disagreements or fighting couples.
CCDS also accepts referrals from the DA’s Office involving such
minor infractions of the law as drinking in public, graffiti, or minor
drug possession. CCDS had no experience counseling or aiding
sex industry workers when Hallinan made his decision. Shanley
says CCDS was picked because there were no other agencies
available to handle the massage parlor cases.
One reason Hallinan opted for the diversion program, critics say, is
because massage parlor arrests are notoriously difficult to
prosecute, and if Hallinan pressed the cases in court he might lose.
Shanley concedes that the cases are generally weak.
With streetwalkers, for example, an undercover cop can wear a
wire, capture a conversation in which a deal for sex is struck, and
make an arrest.
But in massage parlors, customers typically remove most or all of
their clothing before getting down to business, making hidden
microphones problematic. Discussions of potential sex acts are
often communicated in metaphors that are intentionally vague.
Police have to wait until the woman strikes a deal and then
commits an “act of furtherance” like pulling out a condom or
removing some particular piece of her clothing.
That explains why most of those arrested in massage parlors
aren’t busted for actual prostitution, but instead are cited for being
on the premises of a brothel.
If just one worker at a massage parlor can be nabbed breaking the
law, everyone in the building is subject to arrest on
prostitution-related charges. Two weeks ago, for instance, vice
cops raided a Tenderloin massage parlor and arrested 16 people.
Only one of the women had been caught soliciting sex, but
everyone was taken to jail, photographed, and fingerprinted.
CCDS President Tom Bateman estimates that three-quarters of
the cases referred to his agency by Hallinan’s office involve
women caught hanging out at a “house of ill repute.”
Critics decry the “house of ill repute” arrests as bogus, and say the
DA’s Office would have a hard time making the cases stick if the
women insisted on going to court.
Doug Rappaport, a lawyer and former board member of CCDS,
says one of the reasons Hallinan funnels the cases to CCDS is
because the DA knows the arrests wouldn’t hold up in court.
“They’re missing an essential element of the crime,” Rappaport
says. “They are cases that cannot sustain a conviction in criminal
court.”
But whether the arrests are valid or not doesn’t matter if the
women -- fearful of being tagged with a criminal record -- agree to
enter the CCDS diversion program.
...
So just how much money is the vice squad making from massage
parlor busts, and where is it going?
It’s hard to tell. Police officials aren’t willing to shed much light on
the matter, and that’s raising eyebrows among those city officials
charged with looking after the public purse.
During the fiscal year that ended June 30, 1997, the vice unit
collected about $77,000 in fees, according to the Police
Department’s administrative office. But officials from the SFPD’s
fiscal office, public affairs office, legal division, and administrative
office told SF Weekly they don’t know how much money has been
collected in the 17 months since then.
SF Weekly forwarded a copy of one $250 money order written by
a massage worker to the Vice Unit to Harold Guetersloh of the
city Controller’s Office to see if he could track down where the
money was being deposited.
Guetersloh says he called the Police Department’s fiscal office,
and received a general assurance that the money goes into the
city’s treasury. But Guetersloh says the Police Department told
him it only collected somewhere between $7,200 to $7,500 from
massage parlor busts during the 1998 fiscal year, which ran from
July 1, 1997 to June 30, 1998.
That number seems strikingly low, given that at least 416 cases
were referred to CCDS during the first 10 months of 1998, and
anecdotal evidence suggests that each woman pays at least $100
to vice.
In response to SF Weekly’s questions, both the city’s controller
and Treasurer Susan Leal say they are now investigating whether
members of the vice squad have properly accounted for money
they have collected.
Leal says she was surprised to learn that cashier’s checks are
being made out directly to the Vice Unit, rather than to the city
generally.
...
Not long after a woman is arrested in a massage parlor raid, she
receives a letter from Hallinan’s office. It explains that, rather than
going to court, she can clear up the matter and avoid a criminal
conviction by agreeing to enter the CCDS diversion program.
The woman calls CCDS and schedules an appointment. She
shows up -- with or without a lawyer -- and squares off with a
representative from the vice squad, usually a sergeant. Typically,
CCDS President Bateman serves as arbitrator for the meeting.
The vice officer reads the arrest report from the case. Then the
two sides hash out how much the woman will pay to keep her case
out of court.
First, CCDS gets its cut, which is not negotiable. The nonprofit
agency expects to be paid $125 by women charged only with being
present at a massage parlor, and $250 by a woman charged with
actual solicitation.
Then it’s the vice unit’s turn, and the haggling begins.
According to lawyer Katya Komisaryk, the police generally open
negotiations by demanding $1,000, divided among all the women
arrested in a given raid. For instance, if only two women were
arrested, they’re hit up for $500 apiece. But the prices are
negotiable, she says, and typically each woman pays between $100
and $350.
Once the deal is struck, the woman signs a form agreeing to the
payments. Formally labeled a “Directive of the Hearing Officer,”
the form lays out the terms of the woman’s diversion deal.
Typically, it does not include any sort of counseling or reporting,
like many other diversion programs.
Mainly, the form consists of specific directions on how the woman
should pay off the negotiated fines. The form specifically states
that payment will be “in the form of a Cashier’s Check made
payable to: San Francisco Police Department Vice Crimes
Section.” The form further states that the check will be “delivered
to Sgt. Frank Palma at 850 Bryant” within 10 days. (When
contacted by SF Weekly, Palma declined to discuss the process,
referring questions to his superiors.)
Jennifer Nelson, a massage parlor worker who recently went
through the process, says she felt she had little choice but to agree
to the payments. Nelson wound up turning over a cashier’s check
for $250 to the police.
“It seems that both the cop and the [arbitrator] knew that this
game was about extortion. And they know we have little choice
but to play that game,” she says. “They’re banking on the fear that
we women have.”
Deputy District Attorney Reve Bautista, who is responsible for
diverting the massage parlor cases to CCDS, disagrees with that
characterization. The fines, she says, are a legal and proper way to
reimburse the costs of conducting massage parlor investigations.
State law, she notes, allows any county whose officer or agent
arrests a person to recover a “criminal justice fee.”
One of the laws the DA’s Office cited to justify the fees,
however, states that such “criminal justice fees” can be recovered
from a “convicted criminal.” Women diverted through CCDS have
not been convicted of anything. In fact, that’s the very prospect
they are trying to avoid.
Bautista acknowledges that, as far as she knows, San Francisco is
the only city in California that is allowing cops to collect money
from busted massage parlor workers. DA spokesman Shanley
says the SFPD probably got the idea to collect the fees from a
similar program begun three years ago that fines johns arrested for
soliciting sex.
.....
Check
leerh <le...@aludra.usc.edu> wrote in message
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My instincts told me that you were anxious to get this angle in there. This
is basically the angle that is anti-white and absolves asians as being
complicit - as in, it could only happen if the whites were involved.
The thing about whites in general is they don't go to great lengths to
disguise their actions, even those that would make the average asian
shudder. However, scratch the surface and anyone knows that asian american
crime (especially involving recent immigrants) is much better organized and
much more likely to be connected to organized crime, but also much less
obvious on the surface. Actual bonafide asian americans have told me as
much and there is of course an array of circumstantial evidence.
I don't deny what you are talking about may exist, but I find it annoying
how anxious you are to cop out on the asian gang angle. (Kind of a trend
here on this group of late.) My guess would be that it is much more
significant than your theory that these are merely ex-white-imported asians
that have gone back to turning tricks. I think it's highly likely criminal
elements are involved, however I too would like to see the statistics.
Tom Y
>
> Richard Lee
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>
>
> Check wrote:
> >
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> > A typical massage parlor owner can clear between 1200 to 2500 per
> > > |> day depending on the door fee (sometimes fifty dollars). The
> > > |> women can make double that, depending on what "services" are
> > > |> offered.
> > > ======================================================================
> > > For all his superior intellect, Mr. "Superior IQ" forgot to include
> > > the references for this statistics.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.sfweekly.com/1998/120298/bayview1.html
> >
> > Whatever the reference Walter- it isn't the above citation. That
article is
> > more about police extortion.
This whole approach is criminal and rife with potential corruption. These
police should be charged with soliciting bribes, because that is exactly
what they are doing.
Bladerunner
prostitution decoys/sting operations, etc when so many other
serious violent crimes occur frequently enough and no cop is in
sight. I'm leery of these types of police operations regarding
these types of activities and feel it is based in hypocrisy. If
I were a juror in such a case , I would not be able to convict
anyone of these crimes for the reason that I find it impossible
to accept that solicitation of and exchanging money for sex is a
crime. By the way, what do firemen do when they're not fighting
fires ?
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leerh
: My instincts told me that you were anxious to get this angle in there.
You're wrong.
Richard Lee
leerh
: > > > http://www.sfweekly.com/1998/120298/bayview1.html
: This whole approach is criminal and rife with potential corruption. These
: police should be charged with soliciting bribes, because that is exactly
: what they are doing.
I think this might be the very first time that Check and I are in complete
agreement on an issue.
Richard Lee
leerh
: crime. By the way, what do firemen do when they're not fighting
: fires ?
They schedule emergency drills every couple of weeks to keep themselves
aware. Otherwise, they play cards, participate in office pools, watch
soap operas, and read the paper everyday. It it's a happening week, one
or more of the guys in the station will shop up at a local elementary
school to put on a safety awareness program or hand out certificates of
honor to the little kiddies.
Richard Lee
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Mr.Seppo <sep...@home.com>
Seemed to have the same agenda of disinformation.
To stereotype asian american business with
unsubstantiated hearsay such as :'100 asian business owners surveyed
were asked the question "What is the most popular type of Asian
American Business?" The number one answer was restaurant, number two
was Nail/hair Salon and number three, Asian Massage Parlor"'
Several possibilities:
1) the substance of the unsubstantiated hearsay is taken as true,
and is indeed true.
A) implications -- Asian america fits the stereotype. The
stereotypes of chinese restaurants, korean nail/hair salons (ie..
Seinfeld episodes), and asian prostitutes and gange members (various
movies including: Year of the Dragon, Oliver Stone's yuck movie
starring Marky Mark "anti-asian Hate Crime Perp" Walberg as protagonist
(oh what cruel irony) are justified.)
2) the substance of the hearsay is false, but '100 asian business
owners surveyed' answered this way, and thought it was true:
A) implications -- the survey may have been misrepresentative. If
representative across a fair cross section of asian business owners,
then it may imply that such group holds misconceptions and stereotypes
about asian business owners. Opinion -- pathetic. Asian business
owners have either been misled, or come to wrong beliefs about other
asian businesses, through their own ways.
B) further implications -- such false misconceptions, since they are
backed up by a half-truthed survey by asian americans, may be used for
disinformation by leaving out the fact that such conceptions are
false. Instead of showing the need for further dispelling of such
psychologically disempowering stereotypes among the asian american
community, it may be maliciously used to bolster stereotypes by leaving
out the falsehood of the stereotypes, and just say that asian americans
believe such to be true.
3) the hearsay has been entirely fabricated.
A) Implications: It takes a great deal of malevolence and sinister
cunning, aside from a complete lack of any sense of personal honor, to
keep planning & fabricating lies in the hopes that it may cause social
and psychological damage to a minority group. It may even cause that
person some glee from the success of such malicious intentional
activity. In real life also, it is may be likely that such a person
has not yet developed an internalized sense of morality, and rather
that person's morality is still motivated by baser, external
reward/punishment systems.
More vigilant is required against such disinformation campaigns.
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> |> A typical massage parlor owner can clear between 1200 to 2500 per
> |> day depending on the door fee (sometimes fifty dollars). The
> |> women can make double that, depending on what "services" are
> |> offered.
>
> While prostitution is illegal in most parts
> of the USA, Massage palors are still legal.
> In some places in the USA, prostitution is
> legal.
>
> Prostitution also work through...
> escort services
> Brothels
> Clubs-Swingers,Pardise,etc
> Role-Playing services
> Travel/Trip services
> individual recommendations (pimp/johns)
> streetwalking/hustling
>
> ======================================================================
> For all his superior intellect, Mr. "Superior IQ" forgot to include
> the references for this statistics. Senility must be near...
>
> The only statistical study on Prostitution in the USA
> I found was here. But they didnt break down their
> estimated 1 million USA prostitutes down by ethnicity.
>
> see http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html
> ======================================================================
>
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Joseph Mak
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richard wrote:
> > From what I've read and seen, these massage/sex shop women are often
> > ex-wives of U.S. servicemen who were bargirls and prostitutes in
whatever
> > Asian country they were from...and after leaving their husbands, they
> > returned to their old profession. The places are not run by gangs, but
by
> > other Asian women, many of whom are former bargirls and prostitutes
> > themselves, albeit older.
> My instincts told me that you were anxious to get this angle in there.
This
> is basically the angle that is anti-white and absolves asians as being
> complicit - as in, it could only happen if the whites were involved.
Explain this to me like I'm a six year old; how is this 'basically the angle
that is anti-white'? I fail to understand how if these women were ex-wives
of US servicemen, that this is a cop-out anti-white excuse. And uh...
Richard wrote, "these massage/sex shop women are OFTEN ex-wives of U.S.
servicesmen who were bargirls and prostitutes..." - I don't understand why
you translated this as being the only reason why Richard thinks these women
are in the profession that they're in.
> The thing about whites in general is they don't go to great lengths to
> disguise their actions, even those that would make the average asian
> shudder. However, scratch the surface and anyone knows that asian american
> crime (especially involving recent immigrants) is much better organized
and
> much more likely to be connected to organized crime, but also much less
> obvious on the surface. Actual bonafide asian americans have told me as
> much and there is of course an array of circumstantial evidence.
Wow. Really. Actually bonafide Asian Americans? Circumstantial evidence
such as?
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> I've always wondered how cops can find time for donuts and
> prostitution decoys/sting operations, etc when so many other
> serious violent crimes occur frequently enough and no cop is in
> sight. I'm leery of these types of police operations regarding
> these types of activities and feel it is based in hypocrisy. If
> I were a juror in such a case , I would not be able to convict
> anyone of these crimes for the reason that
> I find it impossible
> to accept that solicitation of and exchanging money for sex is a
> crime.
It depends how much you pay, and to whom.
>By the way, what do firemen do when they're not fighting
> fires ?
>
>
Friend of TheRuggedOne
you're still
bitter at losing your last argument with....
Richard, most women working at massage places in this country were not
former
prostitutes. They were promised jobs, legitimate ones, and were exploited
and lied
to upon arriving in this country. Richard Lee, the man with no heart....
leerh <le...@aludra.usc.edu> wrote in message
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Friend of TheRuggedOne
handjob?
<steamc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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leerh
: No he isn't.
No, actually he is.
: Richard, most women working at massage places in this country were not
: former
: prostitutes. They were promised jobs, legitimate ones, and were
: exploited and lied to upon arriving in this country.
You have a source for the above assertions?
Otherwise, I will assume you are making these statements based on racial
stereotypes.
Richard Lee
leerh
: lowest common denominator of ad hominem replies?
You mean like someone repeatedly writing follow-ups to my posts consisting
only of the words, "F*ck off?"
Someone like that?
Richard Lee
Joseph Mak
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>
> Bladerunner <Bladerunr...@excite.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1a9c3e02...@usw-ex0108-063.remarq.com...
> > to accept that solicitation of and exchanging money for sex is a
> > crime.
>
> It depends how much you pay, and to whom.
I wonder how you would know this information. Do you have personal
experience in either a) paying a prostitute for sex? or b) providing sexual
services for money?
So how much do you pay, and to whom?
Friend of TheRuggedOne
up his ass, again. Maybe if you spent more time on your shitty web
page instead of flapping your big canadian yapper, it wouldn't look
like a bunch of retards designed it.
Your reply to my email is so obvious as I saw it coming a mile away.
Really, are all you canadians so desperate youinsist on resorting to the
lowest
common denominator of ad hominem replies?
Joseph Mak <jhb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Friend of TheRuggedOne
> : lowest common denominator of ad hominem replies?
>
>
> only of the words, "F*ck off?"
>
> Someone like that?
Exactly.
>
>
> Richard Lee
steamc...@my-deja.com
"Friend of TheRuggedOne" <fus...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that you could use a
> handjob?
>
No, that's not what I'm asking for, but obviously, I refuse your offer.
;-)
If it would deter you, I can respond with extremely damaging counter
flames.
Analysis of your response:
1) personal offense at my post which addressed the posting by
squi...@echelon.alias.net ("Superior IQ")
Mr. Seppo <sep...@home.com
highly possible implications : you are the same as those aliases.
Or you personally know this/these posters, and/or have the same
agenda.
2) when faced with analysis and logic, there is a resort to crude
insults.
3) Possible ways of dealing with such person (if such person is indeed
involved in a malicious campaign): Not to ever trust or take such a
person seriously, since such person does not take the value of reason
to heart. Reason is only a game or device to him, as a convenient tool
that may be discarded when it does not fit his neurosis.
4) profile of this poster based upon previous posting data :
world view : believes that the world should revolve around him
morality : morality is based up appearances. Ie... when faced
with possible gain, ie... women, respect, gradiosity, will give an
appearance of empathy or morality. Ie... whatever would make him look
good in the eyes of himself, or to impress for the intent of gaining
something. When anonymous, that moral appearance is not necessary,
and thus the inner moral sense is truly revealed. Ie... Cynically,
there is not much gain, other than for a personal sense of grandiosity,
to behave and empathize, when anonymous, for such a person. Lack of
internal moral structure. Morality externally motivated.
5) based upon previous posts : views asian males as competitors for
asian women. (Not unlike some angry asian males who view white men as
competitors for asian women.) Has stereotyped asian males as
criminals, and asian women as prostitutes. Wish fulfillment fantasy.
Men as competitors, and women purely in terms sexual & ego
gratification. Men and women as merely an expression of their
physiological sex function & power, rather than viewing both men and
women as sentient minds with an attribute of sexuality.
Biologically driven, frustrated alpha male behavior without much
modulation/attenuation/sublimation of such behavior through higher
level human consciousness.
6) ... has determined a likely guess as to the real name of the
person, based upon psychoanalysis of posts.
> <steamc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:87tllq$nbj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > It's so obvious that
> > squi...@echelon.alias.net (Superior IQ)
> > Mr.Seppo <sep...@home.com>
> >
> > Seemed to have the same agenda of disinformation.
> > To stereotype asian american business with
> > unsubstantiated hearsay such as :'100 asian business owners surveyed
> > were asked the question "What is the most popular type of Asian
> > American Business?" The number one answer was restaurant, number
two
> > was Nail/hair Salon and number three, Asian Massage Parlor"'
...del...
Friend of TheRuggedOne
<steamc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <X5wo4.2173$HK5....@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
> "Friend of TheRuggedOne" <fus...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that you could use a
> > handjob?
> >
>
> > <steamc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:87tllq$nbj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > It's so obvious that
> > > squi...@echelon.alias.net (Superior IQ)
> > > Mr.Seppo <sep...@home.com>
> > >
> > > Seemed to have the same agenda of disinformation.
> > > To stereotype asian american business with
> > > unsubstantiated hearsay such as :'100 asian business owners surveyed
> > > were asked the question "What is the most popular type of Asian
> > > American Business?" The number one answer was restaurant, number
> two
> > > was Nail/hair Salon and number three, Asian Massage Parlor"'
>
>
> ...del...
Check
>
>
> No, actually he is.
>
> : Richard, most women working at massage places in this country were not
> : former
> : prostitutes. They were promised jobs, legitimate ones, and were
> : exploited and lied to upon arriving in this country.
>
>
> You have a source for the above assertions?
>
> Otherwise, I will assume you are making these statements based on racial
> stereotypes.
Keep in mind both people would need sources for these assertions. Recently
in the Seattle PI they ran an article on asian gangs and their control of
illegal immigration from China- they included stories of illegal immigrants
in NY being coerced into prostitution as a way to speed up payment of their
debt, and of course they also alluded to being pressured into sex for
various reasons. Their families were threatened back in China if anything
went wrong, and they didn't have any legal net to fall on here in the
States, being as they were here illegally.
That may not be much, but it is something. It's not a big stretch to assume
that there just might be a link between this activity and massage parlor
activity. I think they would be rather poor criminal businessmen to not
exploit this- and I'm sure they wouldn't decline for moral reasons.
As for the bargirl conneciton here - a possibility too, but do you have any
actual data to support this?
Check
>
>
> Richard Lee
Bladerunner
legal but in very specific designated areas, sounds like proper
zoning can take care of that problem :) . I am not an expert on
their custums or level of permissiveness in their society but it
seems to work well for them and I'd bet their crime rates and
prison populations ratios are lower than ours.
Penelope Lee
that their system works. In addition to the prostitution
problem being eliminated by legalizing it with strict government
regulations they have very progressive attitudes about drug
use.
Many drugs are legal (and regulated) and addicts are treated
like alcoholics are treated in the US - they are treated for
their illness rather than punished with a prison term. By
legalizing drugs they have eliminated the criminal aspect of
drug sales and concurrently increased supply and reduced
demand. Criminals aren't interested in selling something that
is a commodity product like milk or eggs so crimes related to
drugs (which is REALLY the biggest problem worldwide) has been
severely reduced.
Criminals would HATE it if the US were to legalize prostitution
and certain drugs the way Holland has done. Law enforcement
types would also not like this since their budgets for vice and
drugs would dry up.