Re: SAT Scores Fall as Gap Widens; Asians Gain
Neo
> RichAsianKid's comment:
>
> Note how group/ethnic/racial differences persist in spite of decades and
> decades of $$ spending as well as legislation (No Child Left Behind)....
>
> And btw in anticipation of criticism what about critical reading. Here's
> real raw 2009 SAT data RichAsianKid dutifully dug up:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n73ebh
>
> Note how at the top end Asians outscore whites and of course
> other groups. And I have every reason to believe this cohort is
> primarily North East Asians, i.e. Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and the
> overall Asian mean is dragged down by South East Asians and PIs. Why?
> Circumstantial case I admit as there's no breakdown on the SAT
> intra-racially. But I extrapolate from California Standardized Test results:
Why?
South East Asian and Pacific Islanders have a lower
household income and own less wealth on the average
demographically. This translates to less educational
support from home, e.g. helping students with home
work, access to the internet, financial support for
schooling. By the way, South Asian Indians are not
just the most recent immigrant group among Asian
American sub group ethnicities but also had the highest
household incomes too. Japanese American households
are rapidly shrinking in numbers rapidly all around the
USA ( RAK, you needs to get married with good japanese
girl and make a super size family - we are all counting on
you! Come on now already! )
When there is additional support for education,
that is when parents/older children/mentors assist in
tutoring/teaching children within a family or extended
family setting - test scores improve significantly for
those children . Studies that I've read suggest
that the minumal time required is about 15 to
30 minutes of quality intellectual support per day -
there is a diminish return as that support
time increases for some reason. Just talking
to a toddler 15 minutes a day for the first 3
years of their life can can increase that's
toddlers intellectual and communication skills
later on in life. Reports I've read also suggest
that toddlers are wired learn from real people
and not audio visual equipment - so computers
screens, TV, and DVDs for toddlers probably
won't provide nearly the same educational
advantage or result.
Neo
> One more comment:
>
> Quote from article: "The bottom line is the country is changing
> dramatically. Unless minority kids are educated better, we are going to
> be in trouble because pretty soon they are going to be the majority."
>
the US education system in general fails to teach
1) how to effectively interact with their government and school
system.
Graduates tend to be naive or ignorant how politics works too.
2) nutrition and support personal physical fitness
3) Marketing, Business, and Financial skills which in a capitalistic
society seems a bit odd
4) foreign languages - the US schools system is basically
monlinguistic.
5) basic medical skills and health concepts which seems odd for a
country that doesnot have
universal health care.
6) provide alternative career/educational/vocational paths from
traditional colleges and universities
the US education systems wastes a great deal of money and time on
1) competitive sports like football, tennis, baseball, soccor, and
basket ball
and vetting the student population for super athletes.
2) Testing for college - when most kids won't be able to finance a
college education anyway.
USA educational system is not without its drawbacks...
Gods and Monkeys
In California, white men want to f*ck their way out of their
dilemma. GDP, education, flatline for them. Need-to-screw-Asian.
Both gays and heteros. Let the niggers have the dirty whites. High IQ
whites- Jews, mixed bag Prostestatn either go for extreme tech, "race
realism"
and Asian. F*ckers are Lost, lost, lost.
Asians need to establish bases in California and across USA.
Neighborhoods now.
Cities later. Whites will go on board for this. Whites now do
basically ANYTHING,
believe anything Asians tell them.
RichAsianKid
All the more reason not to import low IQ failures whose track records
are not exactly outstanding.
And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)
RichAsianKid
What you Neo is saying and telling us is it's somehow environment's or
culture's fault some fail and other succeed. Well, what about Jews.
Weren't Jews oppressed and still tirelessly being persecuted? Why are
they so economically or educationally successful in the 21st century
while blacks aren't? Or are you blaming blacks for being lazy or
culturally deficient which afterall is changeable. And if not, what
difference does it make whether it's cultural or biological/genetic in
origin.
Besides and btw what you wrote here shows us perfectly how social
factors and social labelling is not quite all-powerful as people think:
afterall in America SE Asians and Pacific Islanders are classified under
"Asians". And they *still* consistently score and rank below Chinese or
Japanese or Koreans in all sorts of social-valued outcomes.
That 1960s-70s blame-game is so passe. Afterall as utopians love to
chant, there's Obama.
Neo
one of the reasons that Asian immigrants are doing
so well in the USA as a group is that immigration
policies favor the wealthier and more highly educated
immigrant.
>
> And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
> ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
> when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
The USA is not one huge charity but
it does favor certain groups over others.
For example, the government has been extremely
generous to Wall Street.
Neo
In europe Jews were oppress and in Nazi Germany Jews were
persecuted, but the Jews were not persecuted or oppressed in
the USA to a to the same degree as racial minorities or women.
In the USA, Jews had much more access to credit, housing,
education, legal protection, and employment than Blacks,
Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans.
> Why are they so economically or educationally successful in the 21st century
> while blacks aren't?
Jews were never slaves. Like most other european
colonist they came over as free men. In the 1600s
when the dutch ruled New York City - there was
a brief squabble among colonist whether to allow
Jewish Immigrants in - but tolerance won over bigotry.
For the most part (besides certain covenents restricting
Jews from homeownership in certain neighborhoods),
Jews were accepted economically and educationally
in mainstream institutions. However, blacks after
being freed from slavery were under a mandated
segregation under the "separate but equal" doctrine
until the Civil Rights movement of the 1950-1980s.
> Or are you blaming blacks for being lazy or culturally
> deficient which afterall is changeable. And if not, what
> difference does it make whether it's cultural or
> biological/genetic in origin.
No.
Nothing I said suggest culture, general work ethics or basic genetics
was a significant factor in african american achievement.
Your backhanded suggestion that culture, general work ethnics or basic
genetics is a signficant factor in african american achievement is
racist.
> Besides and btw what you wrote here shows us perfectly how social
> factors and social labelling is not quite all-powerful as people think:
> afterall in America SE Asians and Pacific Islanders are classified under
> "Asians". And they *still* consistently score and rank below Chinese or
> Japanese or Koreans in all sorts of social-valued outcomes.
SE Asian American families tend to be larger than Chinese, Japanese,
or Korean
American familites. With a lower per capital income, there is less
resources
per person. However, the recently murdered Yale Graduate student Miss
Anna Le
(who was a Vietnamese American) demostrates that even SE Asian
American
students can excel in school as well.
> That 1960s-70s blame-game is so passe. Afterall as utopians love to
> chant, there's Obama.-
Obama is a hapa ( a political Tiger Woods ). His mother is
european descent, His father was african descent. He grew up in
Hawaii. His step father is Indonesian. His white grandparents help
raised him and he married a successful african american woman.
He's sort of like a Let's-hold-hands-and-sing-kumbaya-Mr.Rainbow
kind of guy.... Yeah -- I never thought I see the day when
something other than a old white guy was elected president. :-)
What I really wanted was Colin Powell... but Barack Obama is working
out just fine. :-)
Gods and Monkeys
This is not true for Koreans. These days the best students
in Korea compete for spots in the best Korean colleges.
They do come to the US for graduate work, as the graduate
programs in the US are stronger. The immigrant profile of
the typical Korean immigrant in IQ terms is the same as
the Korean population.
Blacks and Koreans do not exist in the same world in terms
of education (and hardly anything else). Although clearly some small
percentage of blacks can compete at college level. Even smaller at
Harvard and the like. Whites need to get realistic about blacks and
stop destroying what was once a analytical, refined, intelligent
culture.
This doesn't mean blacks need to sit at the back of bus again. It does
mean fixing American politics and putting the economy back on
a merit based track. Smart over loud. Repeat after me- smart over
loud.
>
>
>
> > And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
> > ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
> > when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> The USA is not one huge charity but
> it does favor certain groups over others.
> For example, the government has been extremely
> generous to Wall Street.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
RichAsianKid
What about compared to gentile whites. Do Jews have *more* or *less* or
*equal* access to credit, housing, education, legal protection, and
employment compared to gentile whites. Simple question. Afterall we hear
all the time how Jews are persecuted compared to gentile whites. And yet
they still score higher, sometimes exponentially higher, in
social-valued outcomes, don't they. How come? How are Jews now so
suddenly successful?
>
>> Why are they so economically or educationally successful in the 21st century
>> while blacks aren't?
>
> Jews were never slaves. Like most other european
> colonist they came over as free men. In the 1600s
> when the dutch ruled New York City - there was
> a brief squabble among colonist whether to allow
> Jewish Immigrants in - but tolerance won over bigotry.
> For the most part (besides certain covenents restricting
> Jews from homeownership in certain neighborhoods),
> Jews were accepted economically and educationally
> in mainstream institutions. However, blacks after
> being freed from slavery were under a mandated
> segregation under the "separate but equal" doctrine
> until the Civil Rights movement of the 1950-1980s.
OK once again why then are Jews so economically or educationally
successful in the 21st century compared to *gentile whites*? What's your
idea here.
>
>
>> Or are you blaming blacks for being lazy or culturally
>> deficient which afterall is changeable. And if not, what
>> difference does it make whether it's cultural or
>> biological/genetic in origin.
>
> No.
> Nothing I said suggest culture, general work ethics or basic genetics
> was a significant factor in african american achievement.
>
> Your backhanded suggestion that culture, general work ethnics or basic
> genetics is a signficant factor in african american achievement is
> racist.
So why Jewish success in the 21st century? You're saying neither (1)
culture (2) general work ethics (3) basic genetics is a significant
factor in African American underachievement. What's left? I hope you're
not defaulting to the standard explanation which is that endless litany
of oppression!! Why do Jews trounce gentile whites today RAK'd like to
know. Surely you can't say they're discriminating against gentile white
- or can you? (you're some lawyer in the past, no?)
>
>
>> Besides and btw what you wrote here shows us perfectly how social
>> factors and social labelling is not quite all-powerful as people think:
>> afterall in America SE Asians and Pacific Islanders are classified under
>> "Asians". And they *still* consistently score and rank below Chinese or
>> Japanese or Koreans in all sorts of social-valued outcomes.
>
>
> SE Asian American families tend to be larger than Chinese, Japanese,
> or Korean
> American familites. With a lower per capital income, there is less
> resources
> per person. However, the recently murdered Yale Graduate student Miss
> Anna Le
> (who was a Vietnamese American) demostrates that even SE Asian
> American
> students can excel in school as well.
And what X-factors caused these underachieving SE Asian American
families to be larger? And if they have the power to change and didn't,
isn't the onus of responsibility on them. That is, assuming they
value income which not everyone does - or is wealth is such a very
narrow Euro-centric way of thinking anyhow.
Take this further, why not respect differences, some groups will achieve
more, others will achieve less, under equal environment. Why is
underachievement such a problem unless you only care about equality of
outcome and try to rationalize it.
>
>
>> That 1960s-70s blame-game is so passe. Afterall as utopians love to
>> chant, there's Obama.-
>
>
> Obama is a hapa ( a political Tiger Woods ). His mother is
> european descent, His father was african descent. He grew up in
> Hawaii. His step father is Indonesian. His white grandparents help
> raised him and he married a successful african american woman.
> He's sort of like a Let's-hold-hands-and-sing-kumbaya-Mr.Rainbow
> kind of guy.... Yeah -- I never thought I see the day when
> something other than a old white guy was elected president. :-)
>
> What I really wanted was Colin Powell... but Barack Obama is working
> out just fine. :-)
And hence half-breeds like Obama doesn't belong anywhere. That's why
Obama himself bears out his pain and confessed his own personal agony.
This one is quoted from Sailer's Half-Blooded Prince:
"Similarly, around Obama's 27th birthday in 1988, between his three
years as a racial activist in Chicago and his three years at Harvard Law
School, he traveled to his father's Kenya for the first time. On his way
to Africa, he spent three weeks touring Europe. But his racial
resentments made his European vacation a nightmare. He found sightseeing
amidst the beautiful ancestral monuments of the white race to be
wounding to his racial team pride:
""And by the end of the first week or so, I realized that I'd made
a mistake. It wasn't that Europe wasn't beautiful; everything
was just as I?d imagined it. It just wasn?t mine. [pp. 301-302]""
"Obama in Europe was like a Boston Red Sox fan in Yankee
Stadium in New York. Sure, the House that Ruth Built was
magnificently large and echoing with glorious baseball history,
but that just makes it more hateful to a Red Sox rooter.
""In Europe, I felt as if I were living out someone else's romance; the
incompleteness of my own history stood between me and the sites I saw
like a hard pane of glass. I began to suspect that my European stop was
just one more means of delay, one more attempt to avoid coming to terms
with the Old Man. Stripped of language, stripped of work and routine,
stripped even of the racial obsessions to which I'd become so
accustomed and which I had taken (perversely) as a sign of
my own maturation? I had been forced to look inside myself
and had found only a great emptiness there. {pp. 301-302]""
RichAsianKid
If true, what's your opinion on the proliferation of low-IQ illiterate
Mexican immigrants? Surely family unification or (real or bogus) refugee
"humanitarian" claims should be least of concerns.
>
>> And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
>> ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
>> when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> The USA is not one huge charity but
> it does favor certain groups over others.
> For example, the government has been extremely
> generous to Wall Street.
You don't mean Jews do you? If you do please clarify. I thought Jews
were persecuted. If RAK unfairly paints Jews as designated beneficiary
he now humbly apologize. :)
Where do Jews fit into this equation?
harmony
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after 20 years blacks will have narrowed the gap with chinese.
now the chinese can help the blacks get there, and earn black goodwill.
Neo
In Washington DC - Jews are indistinguishable from gentile whites.
Jews have never faced wide spread enslavement, persecution
or oppression in the USA.
> >> Why are they so economically or educationally successful in the 21st century
> >> while blacks aren't?
>
> > Jews were never slaves. Like most other european
> > colonist they came over as free men. In the 1600s
> > when the dutch ruled New York City - there was
> > a brief squabble among colonist whether to allow
> > Jewish Immigrants in - but tolerance won over bigotry.
> > For the most part (besides certain covenents restricting
> > Jews from homeownership in certain neighborhoods),
> > Jews were accepted economically and educationally
> > in mainstream institutions. However, blacks after
> > being freed from slavery were under a mandated
> > segregation under the "separate but equal" doctrine
> > until the Civil Rights movement of the 1950-1980s.
>
> OK once again why then are Jews so economically or educationally
> successful in the 21st century compared to *gentile whites*? What's your
> idea here.
Whites european americans found religious tolerence
easily to accept than racial tolerence.
>
> >> Or are you blaming blacks for being lazy or culturally
> >> deficient which afterall is changeable. And if not, what
> >> difference does it make whether it's cultural or
> >> biological/genetic in origin.
>
> > No.
> > Nothing I said suggest culture, general work ethics or basic genetics
> > was a significant factor in african american achievement.
>
> > Your backhanded suggestion that culture, general work ethnics or basic
> > genetics is a signficant factor in african american achievement is
> > racist.
>
> So why Jewish success in the 21st century? You're saying neither (1)
> culture (2) general work ethics (3) basic genetics is a significant
> factor in African American underachievement. What's left? I hope you're
> not defaulting to the standard explanation which is that endless litany
> of oppression!! Why do Jews trounce gentile whites today RAK'd like to
> know. Surely you can't say they're discriminating against gentile white
> - or can you? (you're some lawyer in the past, no?)
Success is not based on culture, or genetics but opportunity
and hard work. Work ethnics alone doesnot necessarily
make one *successful." Just because one is Jewish or white
doesn't mean that they are above discrimination or some form
of "affirmative action" bias.
Historically, Jewish Americans could work in high paying jobs,
easily obtain credits to make big purchases like a house, were able
to get access to higher education, African Americans faced
employment discrimination that would bar them from high
paying jobs in mainstream society, face redlining that
restricted or handicapped their ability get loans, and were
banned from many universities/colleges until the late 1960s.
Today, the reasons for low test scores for african american
are very much different. Beyond simple poverty - the african
american family is more likely to be a one parent household.
One parent household tends to be one of the biggest indicators
of low academic performance because it often is correlated
with less parent time for a child. However, a child can
excel even with one parent if the child receives additional
outside support like a mentor. Our current welfare system
tends to focus on the mother while excluding the father
and thus re-enforces the single mom family structure.
> >> Besides and btw what you wrote here shows us perfectly how social
> >> factors and social labelling is not quite all-powerful as people think:
> >> afterall in America SE Asians and Pacific Islanders are classified under
> >> "Asians". And they *still* consistently score and rank below Chinese or
> >> Japanese or Koreans in all sorts of social-valued outcomes.
>
> > SE Asian American families tend to be larger than Chinese, Japanese,
> > or Korean American familites. With a lower per capital income, there
> > is less resources> per person. However, the recently murdered
> > Yale Graduate student Miss Anna Le (who was a Vietnamese
> > American) demostrates that even SE Asian American
> > students can excel in school as well.
>
> And what X-factors caused these underachieving SE Asian American
> families to be larger? And if they have the power to change and didn't,
> isn't the onus of responsibility on them. That is, assuming they
> value income which not everyone does - or is wealth is such a very
> narrow Euro-centric way of thinking anyhow.
>
> Take this further, why not respect differences, some groups will achieve
> more, others will achieve less, under equal environment. Why is
> underachievement such a problem unless you only care about equality of
> outcome and try to rationalize it.
I am not sure why Vietnamese-Americans tend to have
larger families; However, one of the reasons, South East
Asian and South Asian Indians marry within their own
ethnic grouping (unlike Japanese americans) is that there
is often a strong culture indentity within those communities.
It's a case of Like attracting like. Certain forms of religious
beliefs may lead a person (e.g. Amish, buddhist monk )
to shun wealth and most worldly goods, i.e. a
person may measure success very differently than
the way you do.
> >> That 1960s-70s blame-game is so passe. Afterall as utopians love to
> >> chant, there's Obama.-
>
> > Obama is a hapa ( a political Tiger Woods ). His mother is
> > european descent, His father was african descent. He grew up in
> > Hawaii. His step father is Indonesian. His white grandparents help
> > raised him and he married a successful african american woman.
> > He's sort of like a Let's-hold-hands-and-sing-kumbaya-Mr.Rainbow
> > kind of guy.... Yeah -- I never thought I see the day when
> > something other than a old white guy was elected president. :-)
>
> > What I really wanted was Colin Powell... but Barack Obama is working
> > out just fine. :-)
>
> And hence half-breeds like Obama doesn't belong anywhere.
Just as a rainbow is made of many colors, a hapa is made of many
heritages.
A hapa cannot deny one personal heritage, without denying who they
are.
Neo
the hispanic immigration demographic is almost a direct
oppoisiton of the east asian immigrant demographics.
>
>
>
> >> And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
> >> ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
> >> when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > The USA is not one huge charity but
> > it does favor certain groups over others.
> > For example, the government has been extremely
> > generous to Wall Street.
>
> You don't mean Jews do you? If you do please clarify. I thought Jews
> were persecuted. If RAK unfairly paints Jews as designated beneficiary
> he now humbly apologize. :)
> Where do Jews fit into this equation?-
USA favors the very rich.
RichAsianKid
Side point here: 2003 TIMSS scores on various subjects between Korea and
the 3 African countries which chose to participate:
Y-axis is in standard deviation units, or z-score.
Recall one criteria of mental retardation: IQ of 70, roughly 2 standard
deviations below the mean. And 2 standard deviations below the mean is
the 2.3 percentile. 3 standard deviations below the mean is 0.1
percentile. One in a thousand. Hmmmmmm......
As for American politics, why does the US seem so keen to appease blacks
in such cowardly fashion? I think deep down the so-called middle-class
see how blacks for decades remain perennial failures and laggards in
spite of everything going for them and it's become increasingly clear
this will now be America's unsolvable social problem and perhaps
permanent feature of America's landscape (see South America). It's a
compromise deep deep down in everyone's heart of hearts
blacks are dumb and ain't equal -- but it's way easier and cheaper to
mouth clich�d slogans and then pay ransom sending your only kid to
private school living in guarded gated communities than to enunciate the
truth.
No, this whole pretense of equality is just one practical managerial
device of governance, not dissimilar to what Singapore's LKY's, as a way
to diffuse social tension which otherwise threatens the US with
balkanization and ultimately threaten governance itself. Surely there
are some starry eyed liberals who believe that literally and who seize
the media spotlight and make the most noise. I just don't think that
quite captures most Americans' pulse - not just white but just about
everyone else, blacks included.
And the main point remains: if there are no blacks in America today, a
lot of these so-called social problems wouldn't have existed, wouldn't
exist, and wouldn't need to be solved.
RichAsianKid
When blacks can't narrow the score with whites in spite of every
institution practically set up for them why would you even think (1)
they'll narrow the gap with Chinese and (2) why shouldn't they in spite
of low intelligence parlay that into more complaints as in America's
example rather than behave like grateful Hindu cows. :)
RichAsianKid
How then does that square with "one of the reasons that Asian immigrants
are doing so well in the USA as a group is that immigration policies
favor the wealthier and more highly educated immigrant".
>
>>
>>
>>>> And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
>>>> ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
>>>> when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
>>> The USA is not one huge charity but
>>> it does favor certain groups over others.
>>> For example, the government has been extremely
>>> generous to Wall Street.
>> You don't mean Jews do you? If you do please clarify. I thought Jews
>> were persecuted. If RAK unfairly paints Jews as designated beneficiary
>> he now humbly apologize. :)
>> Where do Jews fit into this equation?-
>
> USA favors the very rich.
Do you consider Jews to be 'very rich'? If so, how come now when Jews
were endlessly persecuted before.
Penang
> "RichAsianKid" <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
1. After 2000000000000 years the blacks will still lag behind
2. Why should the Chinese help the blacks?
Neo
*Legal* Asian Immigrants in the USA do so well because US immigration
policies favor the wealthier and more highly educated immigrant. US
immigration policy attempts insure that *legal* immigrants
regardless
of their national origin have social and economic support when they
arrive.
Because of the difficulties in adjusting to US society and the long
distance
- there are very few *illegal* Asian immigrants in the USA.
In contrast, because it is easier for hispanic immigrants to adjust
to US society and because it is easier for hispanic immigrants to
enter the US - there is a significan percentage of "illegal" hispanic
immigrants in the USA. The illegal immigrant population put an
added resource drain on the hispanic community more so than the asian
community as well. Since the illegal immigrant population is
not use in computing need - community and social programs
with a signficant number of illegal immigrants in the community
would be under funded.
In addition, the US political refugee program discourages asian
applicants but does not discourage hispanic applicants.
Why? It regards the social challenges to assimilate into US society
greater for asian applicants than latino/hispanic applicants - hence
the standards for asian political refugees is higher than hispanic/
latino
political refugee.
.
>
> >>>> And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
> >>>> ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
> >>>> when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
> >>> The USA is not one huge charity but
> >>> it does favor certain groups over others.
> >>> For example, the government has been extremely
> >>> generous to Wall Street.
> >> You don't mean Jews do you? If you do please clarify. I thought Jews
> >> were persecuted. If RAK unfairly paints Jews as designated beneficiary
> >> he now humbly apologize. :)
> >> Where do Jews fit into this equation?-
>
> > USA favors the very rich.
>
> Do you consider Jews to be 'very rich'? If so, how come now when Jews
> were endlessly persecuted before.-
Jewish Americans tend to be above normal in education and household
income
but not all of them are super rich.
Everything I've read appears to suggest the highest indicator for
potential wealth creation is business ownership. Access to c
apital and entrepreneurship were key elements in the Jewish
American community economic rise.
Financial/Captial discrimination ( e.g. red lining) and lack of
entrepreneurship
skills have been key elements in restricting the african american
community economic growth.
Neo
> harmony wrote:
> > "RichAsianKid" <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
While there are some blacks who do very well in school, the majority
are not doing so well. Many african american families are often so
fragmented an beset with socio-economic problems that SAT
scores are the least of their worries. Blacks don't need help
from the chinese or any institution - What blacks need is a
living wage, health care, equal access to education,
affordable housing , and equal protection under the law. In
short, Blacks need what everyone else needs in this world needs
- a fair and equal chance to succeed in life. IMHO if blacks
are given a fair chance and they can do it all by themselves.
You only have to look at how successful microloan banking
in developing countries to see how this can work.
Neo
> "RichAsianKid" <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
After 20 years, China's and India's educational system has
improved signficantly - However, African countries have
not had much success in establishing educational systems.
Like USA foriegn aid to africa, Chinese foriegn aid to africa
has had mixed results.
In the USA during the 1970's educators thought if they
mixed in rich smart kids with poor undereducated
kids that the smart kids would help the not-so-smart
kids. The called this concept "open classroom"
if I recalled correctly. If didn't work. Smart rich
kids did not help the poorer undereducated kids.
Worst of all, student bodies balkinized into little
social groups with students often being isolated
by ethnic groups. By the 1980's educators in the
USA started to abandon the "open classroom"
for a more structured classroom system.
harmony
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On Sep 22, 6:44 pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "RichAsianKid" <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > stripped even of the racial obsessions to which I'd become so
> > accustomed and which I had taken (perversely) as a sign of
> > my own maturation? I had been forced to look inside myself
> > and had found only a great emptiness there. {pp. 301-302]""
>
> after 20 years blacks will have narrowed the gap with chinese.
> now the chinese can help the blacks get there, and earn black goodwill.
After 20 years, China's and India's educational system has
improved signficantly - However, African countries have
not had much success in establishing educational systems.
Like USA foriegn aid to africa, Chinese foriegn aid to africa
has had mixed results.
In the USA during the 1970's educators thought if they
mixed in rich smart kids with poor undereducated
kids that the smart kids would help the not-so-smart
kids. The called this concept "open classroom"
if I recalled correctly. If didn't work. Smart rich
kids did not help the poorer undereducated kids.
Worst of all, student bodies balkinized into little
social groups with students often being isolated
by ethnic groups. By the 1980's educators in the
USA started to abandon the "open classroom"
for a more structured classroom system.
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you probably are thinking of what was/is called "busing" or integration.
busing has been shown to be very successful. the idea was to have black
kids taught by good teachers, and that integration would be an added bonus.
not surprisingly, many black kids thus taught have beceom successful
professionals and are visible in nearly all places, including among the top
scientists of nasa.
also, the few black kids in california who get to attend majority chinese
schools are doing very well. the proof is all over to debunk rak's nonsense.
rak gives iq figures from an era when the world was segregated, devoid of
health vigorous social interaction like it is in the modern usa.
to prove that integration works very well, look at the black ghettoes in usa
where blacks do very poorly despite resources pumped in there.
so, i renew my point that the blacks will rise up as they naturally must;
the chinese can be part of that solution or they can act like self-possesed
vainglorious rak. the chinese are very eager to set up shops in black
ghetto, they better educate blacks.
Gods and Monkeys
> "Neo" <residualselfimage1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Busing worked? That's news to probably every American who actually
went
through busing. As an Indian sub-continental (a people never known for
actual fact gathering),
what do you know that people who lived through it don't?
who actually
harmony
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people learn more from diversity, here is the data from doe:
* In systems with desegregation plans, particularly those areas with
substantial white enrollment, minority students tend to transfer to better
schools and learn more, though a racial "achievement" gap remains. Going to
desegregated schools improves students' chances for a desegregated future
life, for going to and succeeding in college, and living and working in
interracial settings.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Education/Segregation_Redux.html
harmony
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harmony:
right. this is very true after bush listened to senator phil gram (tx) in
deregulating the wall street, who in turn listened to his high iq korean
wife who sat on the chicago commodity board.
the end result: a world financial crisi like never before.
now we have a black president to fix all that high iq mess.
>
> And if you now say the US should be one huge charity, as some dumping
> ground for wretched refuse as Statue of Liberty says, don't be surprised
> when America becomes wretched refuse itself. :)- Hide quoted text -
The USA is not one huge charity but
it does favor certain groups over others.
For example, the government has been extremely
generous to Wall Street.
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harmony:
black president obama is investing heavily in education, and is pulling the
us economy from the deepest ever hole dug by high iq people.
and that will happen despite the high iq people ridiculing him.
harmony
like malaysia, indonesia, tibet, singapore, phillipinies, burma
thailand.......
now i understand the chinese want to immigrate to taiwan against the wishes
of local people. it is a good thing taiwan respects dalai lama but knows how
to handle the chinese regime in beijing.
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Gods and Monkeys
> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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> - Show quoted text -
Bullshit source.
Busing was stopped because whites left cities schools in flocks once
it occurred.
Thousands of good schools ruined in the space of 5 years or so.
Consequent
destruction of Northern inner cities and white flight to southern
climes- California
and Florida, where they are now being squeezed out by Asians who are
better in
school then them (Californai), and being hispanicized out of Florida
(crap shoot
education). Now they are returning to "bible-belt" states, where they
will try to
make a stand.
Busing may have worked for the talented "tenth" (Dubois). From what
I've
seen, more like talented 2% and smart enough 2%. Many of whom
are mulatto. White guilt comes not only from slavery, but from the
creation
of mulattos (part white). People whites have tried to sweep under the
rug
by labeling them all as simply black. Obama is an a real sense make up
for
this situation. Also as white see that they can no longer scam the
world
about their simple racial classifications.
Busing worked for the few who were taken out of the entire black under
world.
Left to themselves, they could not have succeeded.
Chinese have no responsibility to blacks educationally. In fact
Southern
whites and East Asians tend to have and have had fairly cordial
relations
before the Civil rights era. Like Japanese used to have
"honorary white" status in apartheid S. Africa.
Penang
This monkey smell like coconut oil is really on a roll, isn't it?
Why don't you ask the INDIANS who migrated to Hongkong?
Were their immigration "LEGAL"?
There are Indians in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia and yes,
TAIWAN too !!!
Were their immigration "LEGAL"?
What a fucking coconut monkey !
RichAsianKid
You never answered how American immigration policies favor the wealthier
and more highly educated immigrant vis-a-vis rampant Hispanic immigration.
Besides don't blame HIspanics for their inertia for their own kind.
Remember Hong Kong? When pregnant mainland Chinese anchor their babies
the locals said no no no. Do you blame the mainland Chinese. Nah.
One more: I'd like to know your stance on illegal immigrants
which liberals sometimes love and romanticize and rhapsodize, we're all
brothers under the skin, borders are historic residuals and figments of
human bigotry etc.
So.
What do you think of *illegal* immigrants. Never mind where they're
from, just illegal ones.
This is a very easy question I at least hope.
>
> In addition, the US political refugee program discourages asian
> applicants but does not discourage hispanic applicants.
> Why? It regards the social challenges to assimilate into US society
> greater for asian applicants than latino/hispanic applicants - hence
> the standards for asian political refugees is higher than hispanic/
> latino
> political refugee.
Perfect!! RichAsianKid should now qualify for welfare or at least pity
points! It's not so funny actually - it's one very very *practical*
approach for $ and power. RAK will have to think about this in more
details but potentially it's doable.
Why do Jewish Americans tend to be above normal in education and
household income when they were discriminated against and prosecuted,
and why didn't or can't blacks follow the same path.
RichAsianKid
Harmony educates us: "to prove that integration works very well, look at
the black ghettoes in usa where blacks do very poorly despite resources
pumped in there."
Harmony, seriously, you're smarter than this.
RichAsianKid
Never mind rich black children so spectacularly underachieve (
http://vdare.org/taylor/071113_stumped.htm )
And anycase if poverty is this eternal boogeyman, what causes poverty in
the first place? Why are some rich and others still poor?
"Injustice"? "Exploitation"? Life's just plain "unfair"?
Hmmmm. Sounds like a kindergarten view of the world to me.
Neo
> "Neo" <residualselfimage1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> mixed in rich smart kids with poor undereducated
> kids that the smart kids would help the not-so-smart
> kids. The called this concept "open classroom"
> if I recalled correctly. If didn't work. Smart rich
> kids did not help the poorer undereducated kids.
> Worst of all, student bodies balkinized into little
> social groups with students often being isolated
> by ethnic groups. By the 1980's educators in the
> USA started to abandon the "open classroom"
> for a more structured classroom system.
>
> ---------------------------------
> you probably are thinking of what was/is called "busing" or integration.
no. I was not referring to busing or integration. I was
part of an "open class room" experiment in the 1970s.
While my school did have some blacks there was no
effort by the school system to socially engineer
the racial makeup of our student body. My middle
school was not being used as magnet for smarter
kids either. My middle school had funding problems
and often lack adequate text books, e.g. because
the school lacked enough Algebra textbooks
the school limited the enrollment of students who
could take Algebra - I had to beg the school for two years
before I could get an Algebra textbook. Kids were
dumped into one big room for "self-study" periods
with little or new supervision. Students worked at
their own pace via project/lesson centers. The design
created a competitive atmosphere where the smarter
kids left the rest in the dust. When I was going to
school - there were not hispanic students other than
a few filipinos (and one could also classify them as
asians too) and the number of asian descent students
could be counted on one hand.
After the riots in LA, many (including asians) have had
second thoughts about setting up shops in poorer black
neighborhoods. Here in Washington DC, in the past we
have had followers of the Nation of Islam demonize asian
merchants operating in traditionally black neighborhoods
as sucking the blood out the african american community.
Mayor Fenty has worked hard to create a friendlier
atmosphere and to bring in corporate retailers like Target.
While I'd like to hold hands and sing kumbaya with everyone
but occassionaly I find myself the target of random
resentment and hatred. For example, On the friday
evening of September 4th I visited by a nearby shopping
center to goto a restaurant. After my meal, as I was
walking pass a middle age overweight african
american woman sitting on bench, she glared at me
(without getting up) and chanted "Go Home!" multiple
times. I took notice of her and she continually
glared at me and resoluted chanted "Go Home!"
multiple times. She looked crazy in a mentally
incompetent way - so I told myself maybe I
should go home...
Neo
> was the chinese immigration to china's neighboring countries ever legal?
> now i understand the chinese want to immigrate to taiwan against the wishes
> of local people. it is a good thing taiwan respects dalai lama but knows how
> to handle the chinese regime in beijing.
Harmony is comparing apples to oranges.
=========================================
The concept of who is an immigrant and who is legal differ in
different countries.
From what I can gather most immigration in asia is legal with the
exception
to war refugee immigration. Because citizenship is not conferred at
birth in many
countries, e.g. Japan, persons whose descendents were foriegn born
would be considered part of an ethnic/immigrant community albeit
having live there for two or more generations, e.g. koreans or
chinese living in japan.
Neo
> You never answered how American immigration policies favor the wealthier
> and more highly educated immigrant vis-a-vis rampant Hispanic immigration.
Your paraphrasing is incorrect.
My assertiion was limited to only Asian immigration to the USA not
general immigration policies.
My assertion also based on legal/documented AND illegal/undocumented
immigration.
> What do you think of *illegal* immigrants. Never mind where they're
> from, just illegal ones.
I believe illegal/undocumented immigrants poses a problem for
themselves and
for the communities they reside in. Beyond securing the borders.
For those who are already here - draw up some papers and document
them.
If we are govern properly - we need to start from reality first.
> RichAsianKid should now qualify for welfare or at least pity points!
RAK
You should get married to a nice girl and have lots and lots of
kids.
I'm not making any so I need you to make up the difference!
harmony
----------------------
well, the concept of legality is quite simple if you accept the idea that
any migrant coming in uninvited is illegal.
any way, what you wrote is interesting. to change the subject a little, how
can the japanese people tell, if they wanted to, the 3rd generation koreans
(or chinese) apart from the native japanese? they (3rd gen) surely don't
have the foreign accents, right? also, isn't it true the liberal japanese
intermarry with them, and there really isn't 3rd geneartion in reality of
foreign extractions?
Neo
> "Neo" <residualselfimage1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You have to have the proper papers in japan to be a citizen. Any
Japanese descent person who can show that both his parents were
originally from Japanese and ethnically japanese can apply to be
a Japanese citzen. It is similar process to the process of any
person who is of Jewish parentage can apply to be an Isreali citizen.
Even if a Korean-descent person was born in Japan and his/her
surname now a common Japanese last name - without the proper
papers that person is still a Korean-immigrant/permanent resident/
national living in Japan. The process for an ethnically non-Japanese
descent person to become as Japanese citizen is a long and
difficult process.
harmony
------------------------------------------
very intresting. this could ensure that japanese political integrity remains
intact.
clearly, the japanese people value their polity deeply, which i can resepct.
in india, the foreigners (christians) are "running" the country, inviting in
white missionaries and converting india.
however, the hindus have no clue. (rak says low iq is the reason)
<It is similar process to the process of any
person who is of Jewish parentage can apply to be an Isreali citizen.>
-------------------------------
i think in israel for jewishness to legally hold, only the mom needs to be
jewish.
at least i have heard so from my jewish friends.
<Even if a Korean-descent person was born in Japan and his/her
surname now a common Japanese last name - without the proper
papers that person is still a Korean-immigrant/permanent resident/
national living in Japan. The process for an ethnically non-Japanese
descent person to become as Japanese citizen is a long and
difficult process.>
so it seems a foreigners decendants even 7 generations down can not become a
citizen?
this is horrendous. in india, communist and congress politicians tempt
bangladeshis to cross over and make them citizen overnight to vote for them.
i can see why japan has political savvy (high iq?) and india don't.
Penang
How come the Japs are so afraid of the Gooks?
The Jap King is descendant of the Gooks, do you know that?
Neo
>
> The Jap King is descendant of the G**ks, do you know that?-
Yes.
While japanese and korean have evolved into two
separate and distinct langagues, Some archaelogist
believe that long ago that the proto-japanese language
once resembled the proto-korean dialect. Some
believe that people we now call Japanese were
originally from the Korean pennisula. Before
the proto-koreans had move to Japan, Japan
was populated by aborginals (who now live as a
very small minority in Japan) in the same way
that New Zealand once was (before it
was colonized by white europeans).
Penang
Both the Korean language and the Japanese language are in many ways
related --- to ancient languages spoken by proto-Chinese
In fact, there are still some lingering resemblances --- like
"marriage" in modern Chinese is "jie huan" but the same thing in
ancient Chinese is spoken like "gek koon", and in modern Japanese,
"marriage" is "kek koon"
Like "student", in modern Chinese is "xue shen" but in ancient Chinese
is "haak seng", incidentally, the Korean still pronounce it that way
"haak seng"
RichAsianKid
> On Sep 24, 2:15 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> You never answered how American immigration policies favor the wealthier
>> and more highly educated immigrant vis-a-vis rampant Hispanic immigration.
>
> Your paraphrasing is incorrect.
> My assertiion was limited to only Asian immigration to the USA not
> general immigration policies.
> My assertion also based on legal/documented AND illegal/undocumented
> immigration.
Wait wait wait! Who wrote specifically: "*Legal* Asian
Immigrants in the USA do so well because US immigration policies favor
the wealthier and more highly educated immigrant."
Are you now retracting your own statement, Neo?
>
>
>> What do you think of *illegal* immigrants. Never mind where they're
>> from, just illegal ones.
>
>
> I believe illegal/undocumented immigrants poses a problem for
> themselves and
> for the communities they reside in. Beyond securing the borders.
> For those who are already here - draw up some papers and document
> them.
> If we are govern properly - we need to start from reality first.
>
We see you support amnesty. "For those who are already
here - draw up some papers and document them." Wow!
>
>
>> RichAsianKid should now qualify for welfare or at least pity points!
>
>
> RAK
> You should get married to a nice girl and have lots and lots of
> kids.
> I'm not making any so I need you to make up the difference.
The only goal of life is reproduction. If what you Neo said is true,
you're one real loser.
Neo
> > I believe illegal/undocumented immigrants poses a problem for
> > themselves and for the communities they reside in. Beyond
> > securing the borders. For those who are already here -
> > draw up some papers and document them.
> > If we are govern properly - we need to start from reality first.
>
> We see you support amnesty. "For those who are already
> here - draw up some papers and document them." Wow!
Not necessarily amnesty but documented temporary legal status
with a process and a chance to apply for a permenant legals status
(green card).
It's the natural consequence of the federal government failing
to proactively and effectively enforce its immigration policy and
securing the borders.
> > You should get married to a nice girl and have lots and lots of
> > kids. I'm not making any so I need you to make up the difference.
>
> The only goal of life is reproduction. If what you Neo said is true,
> you're one real loser.
From a purely biological point of view, one can only be biological
winner if one reproduces.
RAK -- if you are to walk your talk - u must drink your own kool-aid.
While you don't have to get married, if your progenies were
illegimate
and you did not support them that would lessen your progenies'
ability to survive and reproduce. ;-)
As for me - I will return to the Source - as is the destiny of The
One.
I am here only to re-inserting the necessary primary code. :-P
However, you can and must live on. :-)
Neo
> > On Sep 24, 2:15 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> You never answered how American immigration policies favor the wealthier
> >> and more highly educated immigrant vis-a-vis rampant Hispanic immigration.
>
> > Your paraphrasing is incorrect.
> > My assertiion was limited to only Asian immigration to the USA not
> > general immigration policies. My assertion also based on
> > legal/documented AND illegal/undocumented immigration.
>
> Wait wait wait! Who wrote specifically: "*Legal* Asian
> Immigrants in the USA do so well because US immigration policies favor
> the wealthier and more highly educated immigrant."
> Are you now retracting your own statement, Neo?
No, Rich Asian Kid, it is not retraction.
However - being that this thread is too complex for you to follow
- let me provide a simplified summary:
1) US immigration policy favors wealthy and smart asian immigants over
poor and uneducated asian immigrants.
2) US immigration policy favors wealthy immigrants period.
3) US immigration policy favors hispanic immigration over asian
immigration.
4) It is easier for illegal, poor OR under educated immigrants to
enter the USA
from a latin american country than an asian country.
In addition I would like to add that
With respect to being successful in society - there is more to
being successful in this world than just a high IQ test score.
I would recommend the following book for those interested
tackling the topic of education and success in general in more detail.
Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell ,Little, Brown and Company, copyright
November 18, 2008.
summary of this book can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
hth
Neo
P. Rajah
Gordon G. Chang, 10.02.09, 12:01 AM EDT
Weakening trade may increase tension.
On Sept. 15, New Delhi labeled as "factually incorrect" reports that
Chinese troops had wounded two Indian border policemen sometime in early
September in northern Sikkim. If the shooting did indeed occur, it would
be the first violation of a 1996 agreement between China and India not
to use force along their disputed boundary. Because no rumor should be
considered true until officially denied, it appears that these two
nations may be entering into a period of renewed tension.
Neo
> Will There Be A War In Asia?
> Gordon G. Chang, 10.02.09, 12:01 AM EDT
There already is a war in Asia - it is called the Afghanistan War
and its the USA vs the Taliban. Americans are knuckling down
on the Taliban along the Pakistani-Afghanistan border.
Its not likely that the central governments of China or
India are going want a war. Even if there was
some local disupute at the border - China and
India are more likely to work things out..
As the US-China trade declines - China is looking
for other trading partners in Asia, on the
subcontinent, and in Latin America for
viable trade partnerships.
RichAsianKid
But what about smart rich Hispanic immigrants (as rare as they are) vs
stupid poor Asian immigrants (they actually exist, esp from SE Asia)?
And just out of curiosity how do the above 4 points if true add up to
your "US immigration policies favor the wealthier and more highly
educated immigrant" anyway?
>
> In addition I would like to add that
> With respect to being successful in society - there is more to
> being successful in this world than just a high IQ test score.
> I would recommend the following book for those interested
> tackling the topic of education and success in general in more detail.
>
> Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell ,Little, Brown and Company, copyright
> November 18, 2008.
>
> summary of this book can be found at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
>
> hth
>
> Neo
Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!! "All Gladwell's books focus on singularities:
singular events in The Tipping Point, singular moments in Blink, and
singular people in Outliers. Gladwell was drawn to writing about
singular things after he discovered that 'they always made the best
stories'.
You must have Alzheimer's. How many times have I RichAsianKid told you
exceptions do not prove the rule?
More helpfully and I say this: from a lovely play Inherit the Wind
mirroring the Scopes Monkey Trial, the prosecutor and defense
attorney (William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow) are relaxing
together after a day in court. The prosecutor says of the Tennessee locals:
"They're simple people, poor people. They work hard and they need to
believe in something, something beautiful. Why do you want to take it
away from them? It's all they have."
Why can't faith be manipulated?
RichAsianKid
> On Sep 29, 9:11 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I believe illegal/undocumented immigrants poses a problem for
>>> themselves and for the communities they reside in. Beyond
>>> securing the borders. For those who are already here -
>>> draw up some papers and document them.
>>> If we are govern properly - we need to start from reality first.
>> We see you support amnesty. "For those who are already
>> here - draw up some papers and document them." Wow!
>
>
> Not necessarily amnesty but documented temporary legal status
> with a process and a chance to apply for a permenant legals status
> (green card).
> It's the natural consequence of the federal government failing
> to proactively and effectively enforce its immigration policy and
> securing the borders.
If you leave your front door unlocked and wide open and when you come
home you see your place ransacked and TV stolen etc etc you don't
necessarily place all the blame on the burglar; you got to at least
partly shoulder that blame yourself. And if eternal vigilance is the
price of liberty it's funny America doesn't or can't somehow heed its
own advice.
>
>
>>> You should get married to a nice girl and have lots and lots of
>>> kids. I'm not making any so I need you to make up the difference.
>> The only goal of life is reproduction. If what you Neo said is true,
>> you're one real loser.
>
>
> From a purely biological point of view, one can only be biological
> winner if one reproduces.
>
> RAK -- if you are to walk your talk - u must drink your own kool-aid.
> While you don't have to get married, if your progenies were
> illegimate
> and you did not support them that would lessen your progenies'
> ability to survive and reproduce. ;-)
>
> As for me - I will return to the Source - as is the destiny of The
> One.
> I am here only to re-inserting the necessary primary code. :-P
>
> However, you can and must live on. :-)
>
>
>
In a generous welfare state & resource-abundant America, you can live
quite comfortably with minimal paternal provisioning. Blacks adopt this
survival strategy and seem quite successful so far, even if their
offspring are "low quality".
And a piece of advice: there is one way where you Neo can "live on". Go
to mainland China then dangle your American passport in front of poor
but young and fertile women. Even if you're poor by American standards
you're still obscenely rich by China standards. (Going to India or
Africa is not as worthwhile as that only nets you half-breeds and
downstream cost/benefit ratio goes up.) Then leave your inheritance to
your mailbride and just hope for the best - who cares if she marries
another guy - she has a vested interest in her (i.e. your) offspring -
and as long as your child doesn't get killed by his/her stepfather
everything's swell. Again, you're not looking for companionship
or romance here but a lean mean Darwinian reproductive machine, which,
from a reductionist and fundamental biological perspective, is also
precisely where you can have the best of both worlds.
Neo
What does 4 points of <your choice> mean?
> > In addition I would like to add that
> > With respect to being successful in society - there is more to
> > being successful in this world than just a high IQ test score.
> > I would recommend the following book for those interested
> > tackling the topic of education and success in general in more detail.
>
> > Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell ,Little, Brown and Company, copyright
> > November 18, 2008.
>
> > summary of this book can be found at:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
>
> > hth
>
> > Neo
>
> Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!! "All Gladwell's books focus on singularities:
> singular events in The Tipping Point, singular moments in Blink, and
> singular people in Outliers. Gladwell was drawn to writing about
> singular things after he discovered that 'they always made the best
> stories'.
Gladwell's statistical phenomenas that suggest how
sampling and selection methodology can have an
impact success despite individual genetic and
intellectual advantages. Gladwell uses an exception
to the rule to force a contradiction that success
is soley based on individual merit and that success
is rather a combination of individual merit and the
social-economic structure that individual finds him
or herself in.
> You must have Alzheimer's. How many times have I RichAsianKid told you
> exceptions do not prove the rule?
RichAsianKid - you have it backwards -
Exceptions are used to disprove the rule.
I will rephrase my assertion so you can understand it better
Superior Individual intelligence does not necessarily guarantee
success.
You can be very smart and still be unsuccessful
Hence, all I am saying is that high SAT score may not be the only
thing that a person may strive for.
> More helpfully and I say this: from a lovely play Inherit the Wind
> mirroring the Scopes Monkey Trial, the prosecutor and defense
> attorney (William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow) are relaxing
> together after a day in court. The prosecutor says of the Tennessee locals:
>
> "They're simple people, poor people. They work hard and they need to
> believe in something, something beautiful. Why do you want to take it
> away from them? It's all they have."
> Why can't faith be manipulated?-
I know you are afraid
You are afraid of change
I don't know the future
I didn't come here to tell you how it is going to end
I cam here to tell you how its going to begin
I am going to post what I think is the absolute truth
I am going show people
what you don't want them to see
I am going to show them a world as it really is
A world where there the rules of controls
can be manipulated or can fail completely
A world where anything is possible
where we go from there
is a choice I leave for the future.
Neo
> Neo wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 9:11 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I believe illegal/undocumented immigrants poses a problem for
> >>> themselves and for the communities they reside in. Beyond
> >>> securing the borders. For those who are already here -
> >>> draw up some papers and document them.
> >>> If we are govern properly - we need to start from reality first.
> >> We see you support amnesty. "For those who are already
> >> here - draw up some papers and document them." Wow!
>
> > Not necessarily amnesty but documented temporary legal status
> > with a process and a chance to apply for a permenant legals status
> > (green card).
> > It's the natural consequence of the federal government failing
> > to proactively and effectively enforce its immigration policy and
> > securing the borders.
>
> If you leave your front door unlocked and wide open and when you come
> home you see your place ransacked and TV stolen etc etc you don't
> necessarily place all the blame on the burglar; you got to at least
> partly shoulder that blame yourself. And if eternal vigilance is the
> price of liberty it's funny America doesn't or can't somehow heed its
> own advice.
You sound like a true Minuteman.
> >>> You should get married to a nice girl and have lots and lots of
> >>> kids. I'm not making any so I need you to make up the difference.
> >> The only goal of life is reproduction. If what you Neo said is true,
> >> you're one real loser.
>
> > From a purely biological point of view, one can only be biological
> > winner if one reproduces.
>
> > RAK -- if you are to walk your talk - u must drink your own kool-aid.
> > While you don't have to get married, if your progenies were
> > illegimate
> > and you did not support them that would lessen your progenies'
> > ability to survive and reproduce. ;-)
>
> > As for me - I will return to the Source
> > --- as is the destiny of The One.
> > I am here only to re-inserting the necessary primary code. :-P
> > However, you can and must live on. :-)
>
> And a piece of advice: there is one way where you Neo can "live on"....
Unfortunately, Rich Asian Kid,
The One is a system anomaly and is not reproducible.
But you can live on..
RichAsianKid
Why then do Hispanics proceed to fail & fall behind so spectacularly
vis-a-vis East Asians in income and in education.
>
>
>> And just out of curiosity how do the above 4 points if true add up to
>> your "US immigration policies favor the wealthier and more highly
>> educated immigrant" anyway?
>
> What does 4 points of <your choice> mean?
Your 4 points.
And just because you're 7 feet tall doesn't guarantee you're a NBA pro.
But chances are you probably won't be one if you're just 5 feet tall.
>
>
>
>
>> You must have Alzheimer's. How many times have I RichAsianKid told you
>> exceptions do not prove the rule?
>
>
> RichAsianKid - you have it backwards -
>
> Exceptions are used to disprove the rule.
>
> I will rephrase my assertion so you can understand it better
>
> Superior Individual intelligence does not necessarily guarantee
> success.
>
> You can be very smart and still be unsuccessful
> Hence, all I am saying is that high SAT score may not be the only
> thing that a person may strive for.
See above.
>
>
>> More helpfully and I say this: from a lovely play Inherit the Wind
>> mirroring the Scopes Monkey Trial, the prosecutor and defense
>> attorney (William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow) are relaxing
>> together after a day in court. The prosecutor says of the Tennessee locals:
>>
>> "They're simple people, poor people. They work hard and they need to
>> believe in something, something beautiful. Why do you want to take it
>> away from them? It's all they have."
>> Why can't faith be manipulated?-
>
> I know you are afraid
> You are afraid of change
> I don't know the future
> I didn't come here to tell you how it is going to end
> I cam here to tell you how its going to begin
> I am going to post what I think is the absolute truth
> I am going show people
> what you don't want them to see
> I am going to show them a world as it really is
> A world where there the rules of controls
> can be manipulated or can fail completely
> A world where anything is possible
> where we go from there
> is a choice I leave for the future.
Oh, on the other hand RAK embraces the future wholeheartedly - this idea
of equality is the lie of the 20th century.
You Neo should be the last to fight against it.
harmony
"RichAsianKid" <RichAs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h9f2rt$n51$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
am i to believe you or the dept of education of the u.s. govt?
harmony
the idea is not equality, it is equal opportunity for grwoing kids, made
possible by the state should fmaily resources fall short. thus, chinese
schools in usa must teach black kids.
RichAsianKid
(1) Aren't you getting back at successful people by punishing their kids
and nullifying their reproductive advantages? Now don't tell us you're
just another socialist.
(2) Besides, family comes first, concentric loyalties remain. If blacks
are so more biologically distant to Asians as they have taken on a
divergent evolutionary path, why shouldn't rich Chinese kids help out
poor Chinese kids *first*?
harmony
you are goin off the tangent. i am talking about schools in the usa.
how is helping blacks learn in predominantly chinese (public or private)
schools going to put a crimp in chinese helping fellow chinese, rich or
poor?
blacks will pay their kids' school tuition just like other chinese kids.
white schools help black all the time, and they are biologically more
distant, so what would be wrong with chinese schools doing it too?
besides racial discrimination is illegal in usa.
what the heck is "divergent evolutionary path"? you nuts?
just think: chinese are smart, but taught mainly by white americans.
so, why can't the chinese now teach blacks?
surely, the chinese are aware of their social responsibilites, are they?
Gods and Monkeys
> just think: chinese are smart, but taught mainly by white americans.
> so, why can't the chinese now teach blacks?
> surely, the chinese are aware of their social responsibilites, are they?
If whites can't teach blacks, what makes you think Chinese will have
any
more success?
RichAsianKid
You never addressed RAK's answers - only 2 points! - to your simple
question you yourself raised about 'equal opportunity'. Besides, if
you're not a socialist-at-heart, why thwart freedom of association?
Moreover why not invest in someone who potentially has higher rate of
return? Finally, as white Protestants love to quote "charity begins at
home". And "God helps those who help themselves".