sabun and other words common to Malay and Hindi
T.G.
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> Sabun is also 'soap' in Hindi - I'm not sure which came first, Hokkien or
> Hindi.
Sabun is Malay for "soap". The Malay language (Bahasa Melayu) comes from
Indonesia from India. Originally it's the Sanskrit language. I know for
a fact that there are other Hindi words that are also used in the Malay
language. For example bumiputra. Ask any Indian person.
> I'm inclined to believe that it was derived from Hindi .... but who knows ?? :-)
I think so.
Feel free to post this to soc.culture.asean for me.
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Hindi and Malay have many, MANY "shared" words - which may be a reason why
Hindi movies are so popular in Malaysia.
BTW, there is one amusing difference which I'd like to share:
Malay - susu - milk
Hindi - susu - "piss" (or 'urine', if you prefer :-) :-) :-)
Being a Hindi speaker, and not knowing Malay at all (at that time) I was
stunned to find cartons of 'susu' being sold in S'pore and Malaysia. :-)
Cheers,
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>Sabun is Malay for "soap". The Malay language (Bahasa Melayu) comes from
>Indonesia from India. Originally it's the Sanskrit language. I know for
>a fact that there are other Hindi words that are also used in the Malay
>language. For example bumiputra. Ask any Indian person.
>
: onany (boys only)
susu : milk
breasts (depends on how you use it)
I think this terms are derived from hindi .... 8-) just kidding..
Rajan T Thampi
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>I am mailing to you because I can't
>do postnews.
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>> Sabun is also 'soap' in Hindi - I'm not sure which came first, Hokkien or
>> Hindi.
>
>Sabun is Malay for "soap". The Malay language (Bahasa Melayu) comes from
>Indonesia from India. Originally it's the Sanskrit language. I know for
>a fact that there are other Hindi words that are also used in the Malay
>language. For example bumiputra. Ask any Indian person.
>
>> I'm inclined to believe that it was derived from Hindi .... but who knows ?? :-)
>
>I think so.
>
>
>Feel free to post this to soc.culture.asean for me.
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>
>
>Hindi and Malay have many, MANY "shared" words - which may be a reason why
>Hindi movies are so popular in Malaysia.
>
>BTW, there is one amusing difference which I'd like to share:
>
>Malay - susu - milk
>Hindi - susu - "piss" (or 'urine', if you prefer :-) :-) :-)
>
>Being a Hindi speaker, and not knowing Malay at all (at that time) I was
>stunned to find cartons of 'susu' being sold in S'pore and Malaysia. :-)
>
>Cheers,
>
Yes, a lot of Malay word are derived from Hindi, or Sanskit for that
matter. Most, if not all, of India's languages evolved from Sanskrit.
The influence of Sanskrit was prominent in South-east Asia was
prominent during the influence and domination of Hindu culture. Just
take a look at the temples of Thailand and Indonesia. If I am not
mistaken, Parameswara, the founder of Malacca, was himself a Hindu, and
his name is definitely of Indian origin.
Here's another word:
mansya (Malayalam) --> manusia (Malay)
which means 'human'(closest translation I could think of :-) ).
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Raj
Kasthuri Athinarayanan
I am refering to article # 8050 <rt...@cecl.wustl.edu> ( Rajan T Thampi )
who says that a lot of malay words were derived from Sanskrit originated
languages. He gave a Malayalam example of "manysa" which happens to be
"manusia" in Malay. I would like to add a few other examples where the
Malay language took words from other Sanskrit languages. The language which
I am comparing is Telugu :
Telugu Malay (English)
------ ----- ---------
balthi baldi (pail)
kursi kerusi (chair)
almari almari (cabinet)
(prevoiusly) manushu manusia (human)
(given eg:) sabu sabun (soap)
Those are the few words that I am able to think of right now. I just thought
that I should make a Telugu contribution to this issue since there are poeple
from other races and countries telling the netters the similarities of the
language.
Kasthuri Athinarayanan
Southern Illinois University
Illinois, U.S.A
Michael L. LeHoullier
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> Telugu Malay (English)
> ------ ----- ---------
> balthi baldi (pail)
> kursi kerusi (chair)
> almari almari (cabinet)
>(prevoiusly) manushu manusia (human)
>(given eg:) sabu sabun (soap)
>
>Those are the few words that I am able to think of right now. I just thought
>that I should make a Telugu contribution to this issue since there are poeple
>from other races and countries telling the netters the similarities of the
>language.
None of this should be surprising. I study Southeast Asian culture
and history. During the Indianization of southeast Asia, many words
from various Indian languages found their way into the Malay tongues.
I do have a problem here. The topic mentioned Hindi. Hindi and
Telugu are not really related. Hindu is an Indo-European language and
Telugu (as is Malayam) is a Dravidian language. Both, however, WERE
influenced by Sanskrit.
Perhaps just a minor point, but the discussion is interesting to me.
I have a great interest in the histore, culture and the people of
Southeast Asia. I hope to make my career based on it.
If anyone out there has any advice on that count, please email me.
I'd greatly appreciate it.
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>Kasthuri Athinarayanan
>
>Southern Illinois University
>Illinois, U.S.A
>
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> and history. During the Indianization of southeast Asia, many words
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I hate to sound stupid, when did this "Indianization of southeast Asia" happen
? What happen during the period ?? (as a matter of fact, I've never come
across this term ???).
-Osbert
Rajan T Thampi
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>None of this should be surprising. I study Southeast Asian culture
>and history. During the Indianization of southeast Asia, many words
>from various Indian languages found their way into the Malay tongues.
>
>I do have a problem here. The topic mentioned Hindi. Hindi and
>Telugu are not really related. Hindu is an Indo-European language and
>Telugu (as is Malayam) is a Dravidian language. Both, however, WERE
Excuse my nitpicking, but that should be spelt Malayalam. Just to
help you along with you SEAsian studies... :-) :-)
I was just wondering how many people get confused differentiating
between Malayalam & Malay, other than Indians. I know a few who
get confused...
>influenced by Sanskrit.
>
>Perhaps just a minor point, but the discussion is interesting to me.
>I have a great interest in the histore, culture and the people of
>Southeast Asia. I hope to make my career based on it.
>
>If anyone out there has any advice on that count, please email me.
>I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
>
Rajan T Thampi
If I am not mistaken, the Dravidian kingdoms from southern India of
Cheras(?) and Chola(?) (I've forgotten!) conquered SEAsia centuries
before the founding of Malacca in 1400. If you ever studied M'sian
history, or SEA history for that matter, you may have heard of the
Srivijaya Kingdoms, and others...
Anybody out there who would like to shed some light on this, since
its been a long time since I looked at a history book about the SEA
region... :-)
Michael L. LeHoullier
>In article <1992Feb27.1...@oz.plymouth.edu> m_le...@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. LeHoullier) writes:
>>>>
>>I do have a problem here. The topic mentioned Hindi. Hindi and
>>Telugu are not really related. Hindu is an Indo-European language and
>>Telugu (as is Malayam) is a Dravidian language. Both, however, WERE
> ^^^^^^^
> Excuse my nitpicking, but that should be spelt Malayalam. Just to
> help you along with you SEAsian studies... :-) :-)
No problem with the nitpicking. Perhaps it will teach me to proofread
my posts.
>
> I was just wondering how many people get confused differentiating
> between Malayalam & Malay, other than Indians. I know a few who
> get confused...
I wonder how many people know enough about the two areas TO be
confused about it.
Michael L. LeHoullier
the cultural influence that India had. From the Rama's in Thailand to
Majapahit in Indonesia, the Indian culture was evident in the culture
and epics of the area. I'll post more on this when I have my history
book handy.
Agus Daniel - EECS
> Cheras(?) and Chola(?) (I've forgotten!) conquered SEAsia centuries
> before the founding of Malacca in 1400. If you ever studied M'sian
> history, or SEA history for that matter, you may have heard of the
> Srivijaya Kingdoms, and others...
> Anybody out there who would like to shed some light on this, since
> its been a long time since I looked at a history book about the SEA
> region... :-)
The Sriwijaya Kingdom was a state with its capital in presently called
South Sumatra province of Indonesia. This was a souvereign kingdom with
Budhism as the state religion. This religion came to Sriwijaya through
traders who passed by. The teritory of this one of two biggest kingdoms
in Indonesian history ( the other was Majapahit) included all Sumatra
( Swarnadwipa = land of gold), Malayan Penisula, Part of Southern Siam,
and Western Borneo. I know this kingdom was an independent kingdom not
subject to any other state. The kingdoms in southern India influenced
this kingdom only by means of trade and religious relation.
The fall of this Kingdom was caused by the rise of a new kingdom called
Majapahit which was the biggest kingdom in Indonesian History. This Hindu
state's teritory was much of modern Indonesia, Malayan Peninsula, and other
parts of Sriwijaya. When Indonesia was thriving for its independence, it
claimed to have all the territoty of Majapahit called "NUSANTARA" as it's
integral part. This perception was partly the cause of Indonesian-Malaysian
confrontation in Borneo. Indonesia got the Borneo's occupied part and
Malaysia got the British occupied part. The leaders that time wanted to
claim all Borneo but the feat failed. So there, if anyone ever claimed
to have occupied Indonesia again I would tell you there were only the
Dutch and Portuguese that have ever took control over parts of Indonesia.
VIVA Pax-Indonesiana
Merdeka...
"THE SUN NEVER SHINE UNTIL GOD CREATED INDONESIA"
-- agus