Navidad mexicana en el Vaticano
Jose
Roma descubre la Navidad mexicana
En declaraciones a la agencia ZENIT, monseñor Aguiar Retes explica que
con esta iniciativa México quiere compartir el espíritu de la Navidad
con los romanos y las decenas de miles de peregrinos que vendrán en
estos días a la Ciudad Eterna.
Y revela: "vi que el Santo Padre estuvo muy contento al contemplar el
nacimiento".
"La Navidad es una fiesta familiar, una fiesta que integra a los
miembros, en la que se hace un intercambio de regalos, se comparten
los alimentos y se recuerda que el mayor intercambio que el Señor nos
ha dado ha sido su Hijo. Por lo tanto es un momento de evangelización
muy importante", aclara.
El prelado constata que México, en sus costumbres navideñas, "ha
asimilado las tradiciones de otros países, como el nacimiento de aquí
de Italia", pero por otra parte está contribuyendo con su arte y
tradiciones a que el resto de la humanidad viva con nuevas expresiones
de alegría estos días.
"Creo que México tiene mucho que ofrecer y las posadas, las piñatas,
que son tan propias poco a poco van a ir integrándose en otros
ámbitos, tanto en Estados Unidos, con los migrantes, como en otros
países de América Latina".
Las "posadas", como el prelado indica, "es un novenario en el que se
hace la petición de posada, recordando el momento en el que María y
José andaban con la preocupación del nacimiento de su Hijo, sin tener
ninguna seguridad para que dicho nacimiento fuera digno".
http://es.catholic.net/laiglesiahoy/mundoarticulo.phtml?consecutivo=33691
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repo
Mexican customs are also USofAmerican customs and they
were not brought over by immigrants. Hmm, how could that be you say??
Well it happened like this:
What is now the USofAmerican southwest (including California)
WAS in fact Mexico, this includes the custom of speaking the Spanish
language. Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
RLunfa
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Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
RLunfa
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No way, Jose!!!!!
A Mexican.
repo
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> "repo" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensajenews:4dc8d9d9-c419-41d7...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Católica - ?16/12/2009?
>
> ///
> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
> ///
>
> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>
> RLunfa
Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
also in the Spanish language.
RLunfa
> mensajenews:4dc8d9d9-c419-41d7...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Cat�lica -
>
> ///
> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
> ///
>
> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>
> RLunfa
Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
also in the Spanish language.
///
�Y por qu� explicar� usted en ingl�s, esta documentaci�n escrita en espa�ol,
si no es por ignorancia desnaturalizada?
Todo el sur de EEUU es robado a los mexicanos, franceses y espa�oles.
RLunfa
johnny@.
>> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Cat�lica - ?16/12/2009?
>>
>> ///
>> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
>> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
>> ///
>>
>> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>>
>> RLunfa
>
> Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
> whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
> at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
> Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
> the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
> Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
It must be embarrassing to admit that.
>
> All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
> also in the Spanish language.
Mexicans couldn't read and write at the time, and most still can't. I
guess the people of Spain wrote and signed those documents. You should
claim them as your ancestors.
johnny@.
It wasn't stolen, it was taken from them. If you ever get strong
enough, you can take it back.
RLunfa
news:hglgnh$ubp$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
Estoy intercambiando con Repo, un mexicano al que han logrado lavar el
cerebro, y no con usted vaquero retardado, que conoce a la fuerza como un
�xito social.
No se meta en conversaciones que no le corresponden o voy a tratarlo con
desconsideraci�n, subhumano descerebrado.
RLunfa
repo
wrote:
> "repo" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensajenews:c3bd4e0e-b88a-4b61...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...> > "repo" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> escribió en el
> > mensajenews:4dc8d9d9-c419-41d7...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Católica -
> > ?16/12/2009?
>
> > ///
> > Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
> > R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
> > ///
>
> > Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>
> > RLunfa
>
> Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
> whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
> at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
> Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
> the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
> Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
>
> All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
> also in the Spanish language.
> ///
>
Many if not most Americans of Mexican heritage
"Hispanics" have descriminated against or worse since 1848
While my great grand parents and grandparents were
fluent in Spanish (their letters to one another and
friends were in Spanish), they spoke English in front
of their children but continued the Spanish language
when the children were not near. Children as near as
20-40 years ago in the southwest (excluding most of New Mexico)
were rididuled for speaking Spanish by their teachers (still happens)
in
school, whipped by teachers, made to wear "dunce" pointy hats
in school, beaten at the direction of teachers and other
authority figures, death at the hands of Klan types occured
when any Spanish was spoken, ect ect.
So in answer to your question, why do I write English
instead of Spanish. Because I don't know how to write
Spanish to be understood.
Going back to the descrimination Americans of Mexican
heritage have faced, here are a few other examples.
There was a time when USof Americans and only Americans
of Mexican and "Hispanic" heritage were "rounded
up" in the southwest and left to die at the border.
Today we are protected to a point, however there are
still the Klan type Arpaios who harrass and round up
"Hispanics" for looking a certain way, have Spanish surnames
or speak Spanish.
Anti "Hispanics" of any sort whether
Mexican, Spanish, ect are targeted as seen on api.
I suppose not all are Klan types, but those who want
to divert attention from other major issues.
> esta documentación escrita en español,
> si no es por ignorancia desnaturalizada?
>
> Todo el sur de EEUU es robado a los mexicanos, franceses y españoles.
>
> RLunfa
johnny@.
I will get in any conversation I choose to, and don't care if you like
it or not.
repo
> repo wrote:
> > On Dec 19, 3:52 am, "RLunfa" <mitialagordasinestor...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Católica - ?16/12/2009?
>
> >> ///
> >> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
> >> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
> >> ///
>
> >> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>
> >> RLunfa
>
> > Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
> > whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
> > at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
> > Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
> > the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
> > Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
>
> It must be embarrassing to admit that.
I'm a proud USofAmerican of Mexican ancestry, it's
those like yourself who are a "embarrassment" to
any country.
>
>
>
> > All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
> > also in the Spanish language.
>
> Mexicans couldn't read and write at the time,
I have documentation that the Mexicans who were in
the southwest during the 1848 era could read and write,
the letters to one another were in the Spanish language.
> and most still can't. I
> guess the people of Spain wrote and signed those documents.
Mexicans and USofAmerican citizens signed the documents.
> You should
> claim them as your ancestors.
Some (most) of my ancestors are from Mexico,
they crossed back and forth from the south of
"Mexico" to what are now the southwestern USofA states
for centuries upon centuries.
repo
Yes way!
A USofAmerican of Mexican Heritage/ancestry.
who's Mexican ancestors in the "USofA" southwest
1848 believed that our custom of speaking Spanish
would be honored by our new government the USofA.
Since then over 75% of the private land was again
stolen by interlopers backed up by the U.S. Government.
We have been in a stuggle and fighting in a peaceful manner
for the right to speak the Spanish language in everyday living, in
our schools, in the USofA Gov, State, Country and City
Governments, ect.
They have murdered our ancestors, grandparents, they
have whipped our children to try and beat their language
out of them, but we continue on with the struggle. Until the
USofAmerican
Governments adhere to what is rightfully ours, i.e. the language
promised for one.
RLunfa
Es indudable que a usted le chifla el mo�o.
RLunfa
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Well, those "Klan" people are rednecks and white-trash people without
good education given they lived a promiscuos way of live in their
early years. They are unable to give good things, simply because they
do not have them; so, Repo, they give the only thing they can: hate
and ignorance.
Of course, they are scare of other languages. Poor people!
pakistoteles
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> " johnny@." <joh...@invalid.invalid> escribió en el mensajenews:hglk5b$r63$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > RLunfa wrote:
> >> " johnny@." <joh...@invalid.invalid> escribió en el mensaje
> >>news:hglgnh$ubp$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> RLunfa wrote:
> >>>> "repo" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >>>>news:c3bd4e0e-b88a-4b61...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Dec 19, 3:52 am, "RLunfa" <mitialagordasinestor...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> mensajenews:4dc8d9d9-c419-41d7...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Católica -
> >>>>> ?16/12/2009?
>
> >>>>> ///
> >>>>> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
> >>>>> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
> >>>>> ///
>
> >>>>> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>
> >>>>> RLunfa
> >>>> Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
> >>>> whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
> >>>> at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
> >>>> Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
> >>>> the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
> >>>> Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
>
> >>>> All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
> >>>> also in the Spanish language.
> >>>> ///
>
> >>>> español, si no es por ignorancia desnaturalizada?
>
> >>>> Todo el sur de EEUU es robado a los mexicanos, franceses y españoles.
>
> >>>> RLunfa
> >>> It wasn't stolen, it was taken from them. If you ever get strong
> >>> enough, you can take it back.
>
> >> Estoy intercambiando con Repo, un mexicano al que han logrado lavar el
> >> cerebro, y no con usted vaquero retardado, que conoce a la fuerza como un
>
> >> No se meta en conversaciones que no le corresponden o voy a tratarlo con
>
> >> RLunfa
>
> > I will get in any conversation I choose to, and don't care if you like it
> > or not.
>
>
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Al Johnny tambien le silba el lazo y le hace agua la canoa. Poor
little monolingual thing!
Pakitosteles
johnny@.
>>> mensajenews:4dc8d9d9-c419-41d7...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Cat�lica -
>>> ?16/12/2009?
>>> ///
>>> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
>>> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
>>> ///
>>> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
>>> RLunfa
>> Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
>> whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
>> at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
>> Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
>> the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
>> Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
>>
>> All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
>> also in the Spanish language.
>> ///
>>
>
> "Hispanics" have descriminated against or worse since 1848
>
> While my great grand parents and grandparents were
> fluent in Spanish (their letters to one another and
> friends were in Spanish), they spoke English in front
> of their children but continued the Spanish language
> when the children were not near.
They were trying to teach you something. Obviously you are too stupid
to understand what it was.
Children as near as
> 20-40 years ago in the southwest (excluding most of New Mexico)
> were rididuled for speaking Spanish by their teachers (still happens)
> in
> school, whipped by teachers, made to wear "dunce" pointy hats
> in school, beaten at the direction of teachers and other
> authority figures, death at the hands of Klan types occured
> when any Spanish was spoken, ect ect.
>
> So in answer to your question, why do I write English
> instead of Spanish. Because I don't know how to write
> Spanish to be understood.
>
> Going back to the descrimination Americans of Mexican
> heritage have faced, here are a few other examples.
>
> There was a time when USof Americans and only Americans
> of Mexican and "Hispanic" heritage were "rounded
> up" in the southwest and left to die at the border.
> Today we are protected to a point, however there are
> still the Klan type Arpaios who harrass and round up
> "Hispanics" for looking a certain way, have Spanish surnames
> or speak Spanish.
>
> Anti "Hispanics" of any sort whether
> Mexican, Spanish, ect are targeted as seen on api.
> I suppose not all are Klan types, but those who want
> to divert attention from other major issues.
>
>> esta documentaci�n escrita en espa�ol,
>> si no es por ignorancia desnaturalizada?
>>
>> Todo el sur de EEUU es robado a los mexicanos, franceses y espa�oles.
>>
>> RLunfa
>
repo
> repo wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 7:27 am, "RLunfa" <mitialagordasinestor...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> mensajenews:4dc8d9d9-c419-41d7...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Dec 18, 7:25 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:> Red Católica -
> >>> ?16/12/2009?
> >>> ///
> >>> Really! es verdad! One could say that Mexicans
> >>> R us and us R Mexicans, eh :)
> >>> ///
> >>> Mexicans are Mexicans and you are shit.
> >>> RLunfa
> >> Many Americans of Mexican ancestry and those "Mexicans"
> >> whos ancestors were in California and the southwest
> >> at the time of 1848 refer to themselves as "Mexican".
> >> Remember that the southwest/California was Mexico and continue
> >> the Mexican customs through today. I am a descendant of
> >> Mexicans who were in the southwest 1848.
>
> >> All U.S. territorial documents in the southwest are
> >> also in the Spanish language.
> >> ///
>
>
> > "Hispanics" have descriminated against or worse since 1848
>
> > While my great grand parents and grandparents were
> > fluent in Spanish (their letters to one another and
> > friends were in Spanish), they spoke English in front
> > of their children but continued the Spanish language
> > when the children were not near.
>
> They were trying to teach you something.
They 'thought' their children would not
face the same descrimination and worse if they
could not speak Spanish But they were
wrong. We continued to be descriminated against
even if we didn't speak Spanish. We have Spanish
names; so what did some do? They 'anglicized' their
first and last names. Much confusion during family
get togethers; same blood lines but different last names.
One becomes'anglo' due to the name change and the others 'Hispanic'.
There's alot more 'Hispanics' in the USofA than the
Census shows and this is due to past and present fear
of continued descrimination.
Teach and Speak the Spanish language in the USofA,
it is the promise from leaders of the USofA to do so,
lets hold them to it.
> Obviously you are too stupid
> to understand what it was.
I know exactly "what it was", see above.
>
> Children as near as
>
>
>
> > 20-40 years ago in the southwest (excluding most of New Mexico)
> > were rididuled for speaking Spanish by their teachers (still happens)
> > in
> > school, whipped by teachers, made to wear "dunce" pointy hats
> > in school, beaten at the direction of teachers and other
> > authority figures, death at the hands of Klan types occured
> > when any Spanish was spoken, ect ect.
>
> > So in answer to your question, why do I write English
> > instead of Spanish. Because I don't know how to write
> > Spanish to be understood.
>
> > Going back to the descrimination Americans of Mexican
> > heritage have faced, here are a few other examples.
>
> > There was a time when USof Americans and only Americans
> > of Mexican and "Hispanic" heritage were "rounded
> > up" in the southwest and left to die at the border.
> > Today we are protected to a point, however there are
> > still the Klan type Arpaios who harrass and round up
> > "Hispanics" for looking a certain way, have Spanish surnames
> > or speak Spanish.
>
> > Anti "Hispanics" of any sort whether
> > Mexican, Spanish, ect are targeted as seen on api.
> > I suppose not all are Klan types, but those who want
> > to divert attention from other major issues.
>
> >> esta documentación escrita en español,
> >> si no es por ignorancia desnaturalizada?
>
> >> Todo el sur de EEUU es robado a los mexicanos, franceses y españoles.
>
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