Gaza residents 'live in despair'
John Manning
BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in despair".
In a report, it said that a main cause was the continuing Israeli blockade.
The report comes six months after the end of Israel's military offensive
in Gaza in which at least 1,100 Palestinians died.
Israel said the offensive was aimed at curbing rocket attacks into
southern Israel by Palestinian militants.
The Red Cross says that the people of Gaza are unable to rebuild their
lives and are sliding ever deeper into despair.
There is not the cement or steel to reconstruct neighbourhoods hit by
Israeli strikes.
RED CROSS REPORT
# Residents lack adequate shelter after homes destroyed
# Building materials, pipes and spare parts urgently needed
# Basic medicines, reliable hospital equipment are in short supply
# Collapse of Gaza's economy has caused poverty to soar
Seriously ill patients are not receiving the treatment they need. The
water supply is patchy, sanitation on the point of collapse.
The ICRC statement comes as a UN Human Rights Council inquiry into
alleged war crimes in Gaza and southern Israel holds public hearings in
Gaza City.
South African judge Richard Goldstone's inquiry is holding two days of
hearings in Gaza and will take testimony in Geneva in July.
Israel has refused to allow the investigators onto its territory and has
accused the mission of bias against it.
Worst affected
Poverty in Gaza is at what the Red Cross calls an "alarming" level.
"The poorest residents in particular have exhausted their coping
mechanisms and often have to sell off their belongings to be able to buy
enough to eat," said Antoine Grand, head of the ICRC's sub-delegation in
Gaza.
"Worst affected are the children, who make up more than half of Gaza's
population," he added.
The Red Cross says the crisis is directly linked to Israel's tight
closure of the crossing points into Gaza after the Islamist Hamas
movement took power there two years ago.
The Israeli prime minister's spokesman told the BBC that Hamas is
primarily responsible for the hardship of Gaza's civilian population.
And he said the idea that, should building materials be allowed in,
Hamas would not siphon them off for what he called its military machine
was simply not credible.
Donors have pledged $4.5 billion for reconstruction and rehabilitation
in Gaza following the 22-day offensive which left more than 50,000
homes, 800 industrial properties and 200 schools damaged or destroyed,
as well as 39 mosques and two churches.
~BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8123487.stm
Tapestry
duke
>BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
>the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in despair".
It would all end if they did something good for a change, like run hamas out.
The Dukester, American-American
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THEY LOVE KILLING THEY LOVE DEATH SO BE IT!
Patrick
> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
> the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in
> despair".
Palestinians?
Palestinians
What is a Palestinian? by Joseph Farah
Ever since I wrote a column last October called "Myths of the Middle East,"
readers from around the world have asked me what is meant by the term
"Palestinian."
The simple answer is that it means whatever Yasser Arafat wants it to mean.
Arafat himself was born in Egypt. He later moved to Jerusalem. Indeed, most
of the Arabs living within the borders of Israel today have come from some
other Arab country at some time in their life.
For instance, just since the beginning of the Oslo Accords, more than
400,000 Arabs have entered the West Bank or Gaza. They have come from
Jordan, Egypt and, indirectly, from every other Arab country you can name.
The Arabs have built 261 settlements in the West Bank since 1967. We don't
hear much about those settlements. We hear instead about the number of
Jewish settlements that have been created. We hear how destabilizing they
are -- how provocative they are. Yet, by comparison,
only 144 Jewish settlements have been built since 1967 - including those
surrounding Jerusalem, in the West Bank and in Gaza.
The number of Arab settlers is based on statistics collected on the Allenby
Bridge and other collection points between Israel and Jordan. It is based on
the number of Arab day workers entering but not leaving Israel. The numbers
were published by the Israel Central Bureau for Statistics during the
administration of Binyamin Netanyahu and subsequently denied as "recording
errors" by the Ehud Barak administration.
Of course, the Barak administration had incentives for denying the high
illegal immigration numbers, given its heavy political reliance on Arab
voters.
Is this a new phenomenon? Absolutely not. This has always been the case.
Arabs have been flocking to Israel ever since it was created and even
before, coinciding with the wave of Jewish immigration into Palestine prior
to 1948.
Winston Churchill said in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs
have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has
increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish
population."
And that raises a question I never hear anyone ask: If Israel's policies
make life so intolerable for Arabs, why do they continue to flock to the
Jewish state?
This is an important question as we see the Palestinian debate now shift to
the issue of "the right of return."
According to the most liberal claims by Arab sources, some 600,000 to
700,000 Arabs left Israel in and around 1948 when the Jewish state was
created. Most were not forced out by Jews, but rather left at the urging of
Arab leaders who had declared war on Israel.
Yet, there are far more Arabs living in these territories now than ever
before. And many of those who left in 1948 and thereafter actually had roots
in other Arab nations.
This is why it is so difficult to define the term "Palestinian." It always
has been. What does it mean? Who is a "Palestinian"? Is it someone who came
to work in Palestine because of a bustling economy and job opportunities? Is
it someone who lived in the region for two years?
Five years? Ten years? Is it someone who once visited the area? Is it any
Arab who wants to live in the area?
Arabs outnumber Jews in the Middle East by a factor of about 100 to one.
But how many of those hundreds of millions of Arabs are actually
Palestinians? Not very many.
The Arab population of Palestine was historically extremely low - prior to
the Jews' renewed interest in the area beginning in the early 1900s.
For instance, a travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by
Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman
Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal.
The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000
were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews. "The number of
Jews has greatly risen in the last few decades, in spite of the fact that
they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed
property," the book states.
Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they came to Jerusalem and
represented the overwhelming majority of the population as early as 1906.
Why was the Muslim population so low? After all, we're told that Jerusalem
is the third holiest city in Islam. Surely, if this were a widely held
belief in 1906, more of the devout would have settled there.
The truth is that the Jewish presence in Jerusalem and throughout the Holy
Land persisted throughout its bloody history, as is documented in Joan
Peters' milestone history on the origins of the Arab-Jewish conflict in the
region, "From Time Immemorial."
It is also true that the Arab population increased following Jewish
immigration into the region. The Arabs came because of economic activity.
And, believe it or not, they came because there was more freedom and more
opportunity in Israel than in their own homelands.
What is a Palestinian? If any Arabs have legitimate claims on property in
Israel, it must be those who were illegally deprived of their land and homes
after 1948. Arafat has no such claim. And few if any of those shooting,
bombing and terrorizing Israelis today do either.
Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
John Manning
> "John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote
>> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
>> the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in
>> despair".
>
> Palestinians?
>
>
>
>
> Palestinians
>
> What is a Palestinian? by Joseph Farah
>
> Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
World Nut Daily is a laughable notorious fringe right wing rag. Joseph
Farah is its bigoted anti-Islam founder, editor and CEO.
~~~ Amnesty says Israel "wantonly" destroyed Gaza ~~~
JERUSALEM, July 2 (Reuters) - Amnesty International said on Thursday
Israel inflicted "wanton destruction" in the Gaza Strip in attacks that
often targeted Palestinian civilians during an offensive in December and
January in the Hamas-run enclave.
The London-based rights group, in a 117-page report on the 22 days of
fighting, also criticised the Islamist movement Hamas for rocket attacks
on Israel, which it called "war crimes".
Among other conclusions, Amnesty said it found no evidence to support
Israeli claims that Gaza guerrillas deliberately used civilians as
"human shields", but it did, however, cite evidence that Israeli troops
put children and other civilians in harm's way by forcing them to remain
in homes taken over by soldiers.
Amnesty International said some 1,400 Palestinians were killed in
Israel's Operation Cast Lead, including 300 children and hundreds of
innocent civilians, a figure broadly in line with those from the
Hamas-run Health Ministry in Gaza and the independent Palestinian Centre
for Human Rights.
The Israeli military put the Palestinian death toll at 1,166 of whom 295
were civilians. Thirteen Israelis were killed, including three
civilians, during the offensive Israel launched with the declared aim of
curtailing cross-border rocket attacks.
Accusing Israel of "breaching laws of war", Amnesty said: "Much of the
destruction was wanton and deliberate, and was carried out in a manner
and circumstances which indicated that it could not be justified on
grounds of military necessity."
Commenting on Amnesty's allegations, the Israeli military said it
operated in accordance with international law. It said the report
ignored "efforts made by the Israel Defence Forces to minimise, as much
as possible, harm to non-combatants".
"In many cases, the Israel Defence Forces exercised measures of caution,
including warning the civilian population before an attack," the
military said. "The Israel Defence Forces directed its attack only
against military targets."
A Hamas spokesman said the Amnesty report did not place enough emphasis
on "crimes committed by Israel".
"This report equates between the aggressor and the victim and ignores
international laws that guarantee resistance against occupation," the
spokesman said.
U.N. INQUIRY
Israel and Hamas have both rejected accusations of war crimes during the
Gaza fighting. Israel has refused to cooperate with a United Nations
inquiry that is now gathering evidence, accusing the investigators of
prejudice against it.
Amnesty said although rockets fired by Palestinian militants from the
Gaza Strip rarely cause casualties, their use was "indiscriminate and
hence unlawful under international law". The rockets often sow fear and
panic.
It also accused Hamas and other armed groups of endangering the lives of
the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza by firing rockets and
locating military equipment near homes.
The report however dismissed Israeli claims that Hamas had used
Palestinian civilians as "human shields".
Amnesty said it found no evidence that "Hamas or other armed groups
forced residents to stay in or around buildings used by fighters, or
that fighters prevented residents from leaving buildings or areas which
had been commandeered by militants".
But the report said in several cases Israeli soldiers used Palestinian
civilians, including children, as "human shields, endangering their
lives by forcing them to remain in or near houses which they took over
and used as military positions".
REUTERS: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKL2307109._CH_.2420
drahcir
> Patrick wrote:
> > "John Manning" <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote
> >> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
> >> the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in
> >> despair".
>
> > Palestinians?
>
> > Palestinians
>
> > What is a Palestinian? by Joseph Farah
>
> > Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
>
> World Nut Daily is a laughable notorious fringe right wing rag. Joseph
> Farah is its bigoted anti-Islam founder, editor and CEO.
Translation: you have no refutation of what Farah, an arab, has to
say.
DoD
> On Jul 3, 8:09 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Patrick wrote:
> > > "John Manning" <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote
> > >> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
> > >> the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in
> > >> despair".
>
> > > Palestinians?
>
> > > Palestinians
>
> > > What is a Palestinian? by Joseph Farah
>
> > > Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
>
> > World Nut Daily is a laughable notorious fringe right wing rag. Joseph
> > Farah is its bigoted anti-Islam founder, editor and CEO.
>
> Translation: you have no refutation of what Farah, an arab, has to
> say.
Do any of these netkooks say anything useful, ever?
Patrick
> Patrick wrote:
>> "John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote
>>> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has described
>>> the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people "trapped in
>>> despair".
>>
>> Palestinians?
>
>> Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
> World Nut Daily is a laughable notorious fringe right wing rag. Joseph
> Farah is its bigoted anti-Islam founder, editor and CEO.
>
>
> ~~~ Amnesty says Israel "wantonly" destroyed Gaza ~~~
Amnesty is a laughable notorious left wing rag tag bunch of whiners.
Patrick
Do any of these netkooks say anything useful, ever?
Do you?
John Manning
The world community and the UN are ALSO concerned about Israel's
occupation, oppression and human rights abuses of the Palestinians.
Israel won't even cooperate with the UN to investigate alleged Gaza
offenses.
Now let's look at Israel's secret data base of illegal settlements:
~~ Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlement ~~
"75 percent of the [Israeli] construction...has been carried out without
the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued.
...in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and
infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
West Bank residents."
By Uri Blau
Haaretz Newspaper in Israel, 01/02/2009
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1060043.html
Just four years ago, the defense establishment decided to carry out a
seemingly elementary task: establish a comprehensive database on the
settlements. Brigadier General (res.) Baruch Spiegel, aide to then
defense minister Shaul Mofaz, was put in charge of the project. For over
two years, Spiegel and his staff, who all signed a special
confidentiality agreement, went about systematically collecting data,
primarily from the Civil Administration.
One of the main reasons for this effort was the need to have credible
and accessible information at the ready to contend with legal actions
brought by Palestinian residents, human rights organizations and leftist
movements challenging the legality of construction in the settlements
and the use of private lands to establish or expand them. The
painstakingly amassed data was labeled political dynamite.
The defense establishment, led by Defense Minister Ehud Barak,
steadfastly refused to publicize the figures, arguing, for one thing,
that publication could endanger state security or harm Israel's foreign
relations.
Someone who is liable to be particularly interested in the data
collected by Spiegel is George Mitchell, President Barack Obama's
special envoy to the Middle East, who came to Israel this week for his
first visit since his appointment. It was Mitchell who authored the 2001
report that led to the formulation of the road map, which established a
parallel between halting terror and halting construction in the settlements.
The official database, the most comprehensive one of its kind ever
compiled in Israel about the territories, was recently obtained by
Haaretz. Here, for the first time, information the state has been hiding
for years is revealed.
An analysis of the data reveals that, in the vast majority of the
settlements - about 75 percent of the [Israeli] construction, sometimes
on a large scale, has been carried out without the appropriate permits
or contrary to the permits that were issued. The database also shows
that, in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings
and infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
West Bank residents.
~~Continue reading extensive article at link:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1060043.html
Patrick
> Patrick wrote:
>>>>> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has
>>>>> described the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people
>>>>> "trapped in despair".
>>>> Palestinians?
>>>> What is a Palestinian? by Joseph Farah
>>>> Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
>>> World Nut Daily is a laughable notorious fringe right wing rag. Joseph
>>> Farah is its bigoted anti-Islam founder, editor and CEO.
>>>
>>>
>>> ~~~ Amnesty says Israel "wantonly" destroyed Gaza ~~~
>>
>> Amnesty is a laughable notorious left wing rag tag bunch of whiners.
> The world community and the UN are ALSO concerned about Israel's
> occupation, oppression and human rights abuses of the Palestinians. Israel
> won't even cooperate with the UN to investigate alleged Gaza offenses.
That is because the UN is a laughable, insignificant group
that doesn't say what it means, or mean what is says.
If the UN wants to go to Gaza, they don't need Israel's permission.
Thye merely want assurances that they won't be killed. And that
can't happen when Hamas is in charge.
> Now let's look at Israel's secret data base of illegal settlements:
>
>
> ~~ Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlement ~~
> "75 percent of the [Israeli] construction...has been carried out without
> the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued.
How many illegal settlements has the Arab world built?
Look it up and get back to me.
> ...in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and
> infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
> stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
> West Bank residents."
LIE.
Not a single settlement was built on any Palestinian resident's land.
>
> By Uri Blau
> Haaretz Newspaper in Israel, 01/02/2009
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1060043.html
>
> Just four years ago, the defense establishment decided to carry out a
> seemingly elementary task: establish a comprehensive database on the
> settlements. Brigadier General (res.) Baruch Spiegel, aide to then
> defense minister Shaul Mofaz, was put in charge of the project. For over
> two years, Spiegel and his staff, who all signed a special
> confidentiality agreement, went about systematically collecting data,
> primarily from the Civil Administration.
>
> One of the main reasons for this effort was the need to have credible
> and accessible information at the ready to contend with legal actions
> brought by Palestinian residents, human rights organizations and leftist
> movements challenging the legality of construction in the settlements
> and the use of private lands to establish or expand them. The
> painstakingly amassed data was labeled political dynamite.
Who cares what they labelled it as.
When is anyone going to address the ILLEGAL, IMMORAL WARS
that the Arabs started in order to kill the Israeli's and push them into
the sea? Those wars were always started by the Arabs, and they were
always ended when America asked Israel to stop kicking their asses.
During those wars, land was taken from the Arabs in huge chunks.
Most of that land was returned to the Arabs.... Just not the land above
Jerusalem that was used to lob mortars into the Israeli civilian population.
Israel kept some land that they felt was important to their safety.
They didn't have to give back the Sinai Penninsula. They didn't
have to stop the war just a few miles outside of Cairo.
The Arabs should try to figure it out that you shouldn't poke a bear
in the eye with a sharp stick. It pisses the bear off.
> The defense establishment, led by Defense Minister Ehud Barak,
> steadfastly refused to publicize the figures, arguing, for one thing,
> that publication could endanger state security or harm Israel's foreign
> relations.
Makes sense to me.
Did you know that Israel has taken a few settlements out?
Get your story straight before you whine further.
> Someone who is liable to be particularly interested in the data
> collected by Spiegel is George Mitchell, President Barack Obama's
> special envoy to the Middle East, who came to Israel this week for his
> first visit since his appointment. It was Mitchell who authored the 2001
> report that led to the formulation of the road map, which established a
> parallel between halting terror and halting construction in the
> settlements.
Yeah, and how well has that worked out?
How many rockets has been launched from Gaza into
the civilian population of Israel since this "roadmap?"
> The official database, the most comprehensive one of its kind ever
> compiled in Israel about the territories, was recently obtained by
> Haaretz. Here, for the first time, information the state has been hiding
> for years is revealed.
Have you ever been to Israel?
How hard is it to HIDE a settlement with homes, schools, businesses?
What are you......... stupid?
> An analysis of the data reveals that, in the vast majority of the
> settlements - about 75 percent of the [Israeli] construction, sometimes
> on a large scale, has been carried out without the appropriate permits
> or contrary to the permits that were issued. The database also shows
> that, in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings
> and infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
> stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
> West Bank residents.
There isn't such a thing as a Palestinian resident.
See my report earlier in this thread.
John Manning
> "John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote ...
>> Patrick wrote:
>
>>>>>> BBC News - The International Committee of the Red Cross has
>>>>>> described the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza as people
>>>>>> "trapped in despair".
>>>>> Palestinians?
>>>>> What is a Palestinian? by Joseph Farah
>>>>> Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com
>>>> World Nut Daily is a laughable notorious fringe right wing rag. Joseph
>>>> Farah is its bigoted anti-Islam founder, editor and CEO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~~~ Amnesty says Israel "wantonly" destroyed Gaza ~~~
>>> Amnesty is a laughable notorious left wing rag tag bunch of whiners.
>
>> The world community and the UN are ALSO concerned about Israel's
>> occupation, oppression and human rights abuses of the Palestinians. Israel
>> won't even cooperate with the UN to investigate alleged Gaza offenses.
>
> That is because the UN is a laughable, insignificant group
> that doesn't say what it means, or mean what is says.
You're pissing in the wind with such a statement, fella. Israel is the
nation with the credibility problem in the eyes of the world.
> If the UN wants to go to Gaza, they don't need Israel's permission.
Israel isn't cooperating with the UN investigation. Do you not
understand English?
> Thye merely want assurances that they won't be killed. And that
> can't happen when Hamas is in charge.
You're full of shit, boy. Let's see. Israel had what, 15 deaths compared
to the approximately 1300 death in the Gaza conflict.
>
>
>> Now let's look at Israel's secret data base of illegal settlements:
>>
>>
>> ~~ Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlement ~~
>> "75 percent of the [Israeli] construction...has been carried out without
>> the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued.
>
> How many illegal settlements has the Arab world built?
> Look it up and get back to me.
I don't do homework for ignorant bigoted idiots.
The article itself indicates that Palestinians are often denied permits
by Israel to build on their OWN lands while IT'S DOCUMENTED that the
Israelis are building even WITHOUT permits on PALESTINIAN owned lands.
Read the full Haaretz article, asshole.
>
>> ...in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and
>> infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
>> stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
>> West Bank residents."
>
> LIE.
> Not a single settlement was built on any Palestinian resident's land.
Read the full Haaretz article, you ignorant bigoted asshole.
>> By Uri Blau
>> Haaretz Newspaper in Israel, 01/02/2009
>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1060043.html
>>
>> Just four years ago, the defense establishment decided to carry out a
>> seemingly elementary task: establish a comprehensive database on the
>> settlements. Brigadier General (res.) Baruch Spiegel, aide to then
>> defense minister Shaul Mofaz, was put in charge of the project. For over
>> two years, Spiegel and his staff, who all signed a special
>> confidentiality agreement, went about systematically collecting data,
>> primarily from the Civil Administration.
>>
>> One of the main reasons for this effort was the need to have credible
>> and accessible information at the ready to contend with legal actions
>> brought by Palestinian residents, human rights organizations and leftist
>> movements challenging the legality of construction in the settlements
>> and the use of private lands to establish or expand them. The
>> painstakingly amassed data was labeled political dynamite.
>
> Who cares what they labelled it as.
> When is anyone going to address the ILLEGAL, IMMORAL WARS
> that the Arabs started in order to kill the Israeli's and push them into
> the sea?
You must be living on another planet you willfully blind, ignorant fuck.
You're ignoring the decades long brutal occupation by the vastly
superior military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into
and extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements
- and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
Those wars were always started by the Arabs, and they were
> always ended when America asked Israel to stop kicking their asses.
> During those wars, land was taken from the Arabs in huge chunks.
> Most of that land was returned to the Arabs.... Just not the land above
> Jerusalem that was used to lob mortars into the Israeli civilian population.
>
> Israel kept some land that they felt was important to their safety.
> They didn't have to give back the Sinai Penninsula. They didn't
> have to stop the war just a few miles outside of Cairo.
>
> The Arabs should try to figure it out that you shouldn't poke a bear
> in the eye with a sharp stick. It pisses the bear off.
The bear in this case is an abusive decades long brutal occupier - and
with its vastly superior military and oppressive behavior, it has
continuously encroached into and seized more and more Palestinian land
against its previous agreements. It also has a record-breaking number
of violations against UN resolutions.
>> The defense establishment, led by Defense Minister Ehud Barak,
>> steadfastly refused to publicize the figures, arguing, for one thing,
>> that publication could endanger state security or harm Israel's foreign
>> relations.
>
> Makes sense to me.
> Did you know that Israel has taken a few settlements out?
> Get your story straight before you whine further.
>
>
>
>> Someone who is liable to be particularly interested in the data
>> collected by Spiegel is George Mitchell, President Barack Obama's
>> special envoy to the Middle East, who came to Israel this week for his
>> first visit since his appointment. It was Mitchell who authored the 2001
>> report that led to the formulation of the road map, which established a
>> parallel between halting terror and halting construction in the
>> settlements.
>
> Yeah, and how well has that worked out?
> How many rockets has been launched from Gaza into
> the civilian population of Israel since this "roadmap?"
Neither side has abided by the road map. Maybe Israel who's sucks the
multi-billion dollar tit of the USA will begin to get the massage that
it has to get along with its neighbors [which it apparently has a hard
time historically accomplishing] isn't going to keep getting away with
fucking over the Palestinians forever.
>
>
>> The official database, the most comprehensive one of its kind ever
>> compiled in Israel about the territories, was recently obtained by
>> Haaretz. Here, for the first time, information the state has been hiding
>> for years is revealed.
>
> Have you ever been to Israel?
> How hard is it to HIDE a settlement with homes, schools, businesses?
> What are you......... stupid?
Hey, fuckwit. That was written by Uri Blau in the Haaretz Newspaper in
Israel. Maybe you can ask HIM if he lives in Israel.
>> An analysis of the data reveals that, in the vast majority of the
>> settlements - about 75 percent of the [Israeli] construction, sometimes
>> on a large scale, has been carried out without the appropriate permits
>> or contrary to the permits that were issued. The database also shows
>> that, in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings
>> and infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
>> stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
>> West Bank residents.
>
> There isn't such a thing as a Palestinian resident.
> See my report earlier in this thread.
So what do YOU call the Palestinians who live in their homes, you
bigoted sick fuck?
The evidence is right there in front of your bigoted face, fella. Read
it again.
DoD
Always
Gary Renzetti
Well Dave, *you* certainly don't.
Gary Renzetti
Oh really? When did you start?
Patrick
> Patrick wrote:
>> That is because the UN is a laughable, insignificant group
>> that doesn't say what it means, or mean what is says.
>
>
> You're pissing in the wind with such a statement, fella. Israel is the
> nation with the credibility problem in the eyes of the world.
Just the Muslims who hate.
>> If the UN wants to go to Gaza, they don't need Israel's permission.
>
>
> Israel isn't cooperating with the UN investigation. Do you not understand
> English?
Well, duh....
Why would anyone cooperate in a witchhunt against themselves?
And... who cares what the UN wants?
They are an uncooperative, namby-pamby bunch of wimps.
>> Thye merely want assurances that they won't be killed. And that
>> can't happen when Hamas is in charge.
>
> You're full of shit, boy. Let's see. Israel had what, 15 deaths compared
> to the approximately 1300 death in the Gaza conflict.
So you say....
Tell the hamas pukes to stop throwing rockets.
and stop bombing buses with civilians on them.
They aren't quite as good at it.
>>> Now let's look at Israel's secret data base of illegal settlements:
>>> ~~ Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlement ~~
>>> "75 percent of the [Israeli] construction...has been carried out without
>>> the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued.
>>
>> How many illegal settlements has the Arab world built?
>> Look it up and get back to me.
> I don't do homework for ignorant bigoted idiots.
That is where you are wrong.
I am not full of hate. You are.
> The article itself indicates that Palestinians are often denied permits by
> Israel to build on their OWN lands while IT'S DOCUMENTED that the Israelis
> are building even WITHOUT permits on PALESTINIAN owned lands.
> Read the full Haaretz article, asshole.
You need an article to read?
Are the West Bank and Gaza "occupied territories" as Palestinain Arabs
assert?
As a result of the Six Day War, Israel gained all of Jerusalem, the Golan
Heights, Sinai, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank (historically known as
Judea and Samaria). Palestinian Arabs often insist on using the term
"occupied territories" to describe these areas, usually connected to the
assertion that they fall under the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention. Yet,
Palestinian spokesmen also speak about Israeli military action in Area A as
an invasion, an infringement on Palestinian sovereignty. The use of both
forms of terminology is a contradiction. If Israel "invaded Palestinian
territories" in the present, then they cannot be regarded as "occupied";
however, if the territories are defined as "occupied," Israel cannot be
"invading" them.
Israeli legal experts traditionally resisted efforts to define the West Bank
and Gaza Strip as "occupied" or falling under the main international
treaties dealing with military occupation. Former Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court Meir Shamgar wrote in the 1970s that there is no de jure
applicability of the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention regarding occupied
territories to the case of the West Bank and Gaza Strip since the
Convention:
a.. ... is based on the assumption that there had been a sovereign who was
ousted and that he had been a legitimate sovereign.
In fact, prior to 1967, Jordan had occupied the West Bank and Egypt had
occupied the Gaza Strip; their presence in those territories was the result
of their illegal invasion in 1948. Jordan's 1950 annexation of the West Bank
was recognized only by Great Britain and Pakistan and rejected by the vast
majority of the international community, including the Arab states.
International jurists generally draw a distinction between situations of
"aggressive conquest" and territorial disputes that arise after a war of
self-defense. Former US State Department Legal Advisor Stephen Schwebel, who
later headed the International Court of Justice in the Hague, wrote in 1970
regarding Israel's case:
a.. Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory
unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful
exercise of self-defense has, against that prior holder, better title.
Israel only entered the West Bank in 1967 after repeated Jordanian artillery
fire and ground movements across the previous armistice lines; additionally,
Iraqi forces crossed Jordanian territory and were poised to enter the West
Bank. Under such circumstances, even the United Nations rejected Soviet
efforts to have Israel branded as the aggressor in the Six-Day War.
Regardless of how many times the Palestinian Arabs claim otherwise, Israel
cannot be characterized as a "foreign occupier" with respect to the West
Bank and Gaza Strip. Fundamental sources of international legality decide
the question in Israel's favor. The last international legal allocation of
territory that includes what is today the West Bank and Gaza Strip occurred
with the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine which recognized Jewish
national rights in the whole of the Mandated territory, including the sector
east of the Jordan River, almost 80% of the original Mandated territory,
that was given to Palestinian Arabs and Emir Abdullah to create the country
of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). Moreover, the rights under the
Mandate were preserved under the United Nations as well, according to
Article 80 of the UN Charter, after the termination of the League of Nations
in 1946.
It is important to observe that, from the time these territories were
conquered by Jordan, Syria and Egypt in 1948 to the time they were gained by
Israel in 1967, the territories were not refered to as "occupied" by the
international community. Furthermore, the people living in those territories
before 1967 were not called "Palestinians" as they are today; they were
called Jordanians and Egyptians. (In fact, before Israel was founded Jews
and Arabs alike who lived in the region were called Palestinians. The
newspaper was the "Palestine Bulletin" and later the "Palestine Post" before
becoming today's "Jerusalem Post", the Jewish-founded electric company was
"Palestine Electric" and so on.) There was no call for "liberation" or
"national rights" for the Arabs living there and no Palestinian nation was
discussed.
No UN resolution requires Israel to withdraw unilaterally from the
territories, nor do they forbid Israelis from going there to live. In
particular, the often-misquoted UN Security Council Resolution 242 (and
related Resolution 338) make no such demand or requirement. The demand that
Israel stop creating "illegal settlements" is similarly baseless.
Under the Oslo Accords, the "peace process" started in 1991 at the Madrid
Conference, Israel agreed to withdraw from the disputed territories and
Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority (PA) was given control over land
chosen so that more than ninety-nine percent of the Palestinian population
lived under the jurisdiction of the PA. But the committment to Israel's
security that was the backbone of the Oslo agreements was never honored by
the PA and Israel was forced to periodically re-enter the ceded territory to
quell terrorism. In 2000, Yasser Arafat rejected sweeping concessions by
Israel at Camp David -- promoted by US Pres. Clinton in an attempt to reach
a final peace agreement -- and the Palestinian Arabs turned again to
violence with the Al Aqsa Intifada. That is, after the PA was governing
nearly all Palestinian Arabs and a generous peace offer with international
backing was on the table, the only response Israel got was increased
violence. This is the sole reason Isreal continues to have a military
presence in the disputed territories.
Sources and additional reading on this topic:
a.. Disputed Territories: Forgotten Facts About the West Bank and Gaza
Strip
b.. Is the Occupation Illegal?
c.. Occupied Territories or Disputed Territories?
d.. The Myth of "Occupied Territories"
e.. What Occupation?
f.. The Occupied Territories
g.. The Media's 'Occupation' Myth
h.. We are NOT colonialists
i.. Israeli Settlements and International Law
j.. Blame It On The Occupation
k.. Pinchas Rutenberg and the Palestine Electric Corporation
l.. Foreign Newspapers on Microfilm at the Boston Public Library
m.. Comments by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, August 6, 2002
n.. Europe's preoccupation with occupation
>> There isn't such a thing as a Palestinian resident.
>> See my report earlier in this thread.
>
>
> So what do YOU call the Palestinians who live in their homes, you bigoted
> sick fuck?
There are none.
They are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians.... no Palestinians.
> The evidence is right there in front of your bigoted face, fella. Read it
> again.
Who is the buttwipe full of hatred here?
John Manning
No. Readers here can read the Haaretz Israeli article and plainly see
for themselves that the 'Secret Israeli database reveals the full extent
of *ILLEGAL* settlements.
"75 percent of the [Israeli] construction...has been carried out without
the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued.
...in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and
infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
West Bank residents."
> Are the West Bank and Gaza "occupied territories" as Palestinain Arabs
> assert?
The whole world community refers to those territories as "occupied
territories," bigot boy.
> As a result of the Six Day War, Israel gained all of Jerusalem, the Golan
> Heights, Sinai, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank (historically known as
> Judea and Samaria).
NO WORLD COURT accepts that Israel has full sovereign ownership of all
of those territories.
Palestinian Arabs often insist on using the term
> "occupied territories" to describe these areas,
Bullshit. The *WORLD COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE USA* refers to those
territories ac occupied territories. No world court accepts that Israel
has full sovereign ownership of all of those territories.
[snip typical one-sided, self-serving bullshit Israeli propaganda]
>>> There isn't such a thing as a Palestinian resident.
>>> See my report earlier in this thread.
>>
>> So what do YOU call the Palestinians who live in their homes, you bigoted
>> sick fuck?
>
> There are none.
> They are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians.... no Palestinians.
The WORLD COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE USA who pays Israel's bills disagrees
with you that there are no Palestinians, you sick arrogant bigoted fuck.
>> The evidence is right there in front of your bigoted face, fella. Read it
>> again.
>
> Who is the buttwipe full of hatred here?
It's Palestinian-hating Israeli bigots like you, you ignorant complicit
abusing half-wit.
It looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed up with
Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior military
Patrick
>> You need an article to read?
>
> No. Readers here can read the Haaretz Israeli article and plainly see for
> themselves that the 'Secret Israeli database reveals the full extent of
> *ILLEGAL* settlements.
>
>
> "75 percent of the [Israeli] construction...has been carried out without
> the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued.
So what?
75 percent of all construction in rural America is carried
out without proper permits. My neighbor built a fence in his yard
without a permit. I installed a fan in my bedroom without a permit.
> ...in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and
> infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
> stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian
> West Bank residents."
> The whole world community refers to those territories as "occupied
> territories," bigot boy.
Not quite, dull boy.
>> As a result of the Six Day War, Israel gained all of Jerusalem, the Golan
>> Heights, Sinai, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank (historically known as
>> Judea and Samaria).
>
> NO WORLD COURT accepts that Israel has full sovereign ownership of all of
> those territories.
No World Court authorized the Arabs to conduct four separate wars on Israel.
They got tired of taking and giving back. They kept the West Bank.
Good plan.
> Palestinian Arabs often insist on using the term
>> "occupied territories" to describe these areas,
Don't know of any Palestinian Arabs.
> Bullshit. The *WORLD COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE USA* refers to those
> territories ac occupied territories. No world court accepts that Israel
> has full sovereign ownership of all of those territories.
No World Court authorized the Arabs to conduct four separate wars on Israel.
They got tired of taking and giving back. They kept the West Bank.
Good plan.
> [snip typical one-sided, self-serving bullshit Israeli propaganda]
>>>> There isn't such a thing as a Palestinian resident.
>>>> See my report earlier in this thread.
>>>
>>> So what do YOU call the Palestinians who live in their homes, you
>>> bigoted sick fuck?
What Palestinians?
Do mean ex-Jordanians? ex Egyptians? Ex-Syrians?
There isn't a person today who can claim to be Palesinian.
>> There are none.
>> They are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians.... no Palestinians.
>
> The WORLD COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE USA who pays Israel's bills disagrees
> with you that there are no Palestinians, you sick arrogant bigoted fuck.
Wahhhhh.
You can't debate the facts.... so you insult the poster.
Quite a little punk.... aren't you?
>>> The evidence is right there in front of your bigoted face, fella. Read
>>> it again.
>>
>> Who is the buttwipe full of hatred here?
>
> It's Palestinian-hating Israeli bigots like you, you ignorant complicit
> abusing half-wit.
Wahhhhh.
You can't debate the facts.... so you insult the poster.
Quite a little punk.... aren't you?
>
> It looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed up with
> Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior military of
> the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and extensive seizing
> of more and more land against previous agreements - and their
> record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
It looks to you like.............
What a laugh!
You jes keep on lookin, fella......
John Manning
I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
duke
>I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
That'll be the day.
John Manning
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>
> That'll be the day.
Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
That kind of thinking always leads to a justifiable rude awakening,
particularly since they've used their overwhelming superior military
force to abuse and oppress others, incrementally encroaching on more and
more of their lands.
Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>
>
Patrick
> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act its
> headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
Watch out, bubba.
When Nobama sits on his ass long enough, Israel will do what they've done
before: send in the bombers and remove the nuclear threat from the
Persians.
John Manning
Israel as a nation has historically been unwilling to get along with its
neighbors.
In my view, Israel is going to HAVE to learn get along with its
neighbors and the world community or it will inevitably get the
disastrous ass-kicking it's inviting.
Gary Renzetti
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>
> That'll be the day.
>
Gary Renzetti
with everything that they have that's capable of flying? This isn't
Lebanon the izzies are fucking with this time. Life will get very
interesting very quickly, I suspect.
william hubbard
> "John Manning" <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote
Sunna or later, Shi'ite will happen!
Patrick
Israel will never get along with any neighbor who refuses to
accept them as a sovereign nation. They will never enjoy a
friendship with any neighbor who wants to kill every Jew there.
Patrick
I suspect the same.
That is why GBush43 kept the pressure up on Israel to ensure
they didn't wander off the reservation. Nobama hasn't got a
clue as to what is happening there.
And don't worry about Israel. If Iran couldn't even kick
Iraq's butt in 10 years, they'll never take Israel. They don't
have the will of the people.
TDNY
John Manning
Gary Renzetti
Do you honestly think that the Lebanese want to be "friends" after the
izzies TWICE raped their land and occupied most of it for 18 YEARS?
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>
>> That'll be the day.
>Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
they listen or fail to listen�for they are a rebellious house�they will know
that a prophet has been among them.
>Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
duke
wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>
>> That'll be the day.
>>
>Quite right! That'll be the Dom Perignon day for a lot of us!
Ain't gonna happen.
John Manning
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:45:37 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>> That'll be the day.
>
>> Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>
>> Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>> been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>> have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>> people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
>
> Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
> Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
>
> Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
> 3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
> nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
> against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
> and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
> that a prophet has been among them.
>
>> Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>> up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>> military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>> extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>> and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>
> God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
> Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
The international community and international law are NOT determined by
the old scriptures of a religious sect, you pathetic half-wit.
You really ARE a fucking backwoods holy roller freak.
Patrick
> Patrick wrote:
>> Israel will never get along with any neighbor who refuses to
>> accept them as a sovereign nation. They will never enjoy a
>> friendship with any neighbor who wants to kill every Jew there.
> Nobody's talking about "friendship" Paddy.
> Do you honestly think that the Lebanese want to be "friends" after the
> izzies TWICE raped their land and occupied most of it for 18 YEARS?
Tell them to learn to play nice.
When the Lebanese allow troops to enter Israel and shoot the place up
and then run back to the protection of Lebanon, watch out. When the
Lebanese allow terrorists to fire rockets into Israel from Lebanon, Israel
has
the right and duty to go in there and make the bad boys learn to play nice.
Patrick
news:2LCdnbTe2ZfatczX...@earthlink.com...
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097932.html
Nice ref, I'm sure.
Does it address my discussion of the Persians?
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:45:37 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>>> That'll be the day.
>>
>>> Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>>
>>> Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>>> been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>>> have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>>> people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
>>
>> Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
>> Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
>>
>> Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
>> 3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
>> nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
>> against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
>> and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
>> they listen or fail to listen�for they are a rebellious house�they will know
>> that a prophet has been among them.
>>
>>> Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>>> up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>>> military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>>> extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>>> and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>>
>> God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
>> Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
>The international community and international law are NOT determined by
>the old scriptures of a religious sect, you pathetic half-wit.
It looks like you're the half-wit. God and the Ununited Nations are two
different things. Israel was given the land by both of them. Nobody gave the
land to the hamas.
>You really ARE a fucking backwoods holy roller freak.
No, but you clearly lack the knowledge of what's going on.
John Manning
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:46:28 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:45:37 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>>>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>>>> That'll be the day.
>>>> Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>>>> Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>>>> been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>>>> have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>>>> people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
>>> Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
>>> Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
>>>
>>> Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
>>> 3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
>>> nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
>>> against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
>>> and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
>>> that a prophet has been among them.
>>>
>>>> Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>>>> up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>>>> military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>>>> extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>>>> and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>>> God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
>>> Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
>
>> The international community and international law are NOT determined by
>> the old scriptures of a religious sect, you pathetic half-wit.
>
> It looks like you're the half-wit. God and the Ununited Nations are two
> different things. Israel was given the land by both of them. Nobody gave the
> land to the hamas.
The United Nations does NOT recognize that Israel has full sovereign
ownership of Gaza or the West Bank, half-wit.
Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any other country on
the planet, half-wit.
Also the UN does NOT make its policies based on anybody's God or on the
old scriptures of a religious text, half-wit.
Gary Renzetti
didn't they?
>
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:46:28 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:45:37 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>>>>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>>>>> That'll be the day.
>>>>> Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>>>>> Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>>>>> been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>>>>> have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>>>>> people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
>>>> Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
>>>> Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
>>>>
>>>> Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
>>>> 3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
>>>> nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
>>>> against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
>>>> and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
>>>> they listen or fail to listen�for they are a rebellious house�they will know
>>>> that a prophet has been among them.
>>>>
>>>>> Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>>>>> up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>>>>> military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>>>>> extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>>>>> and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>>>> God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
>>>> Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
>>
>>> The international community and international law are NOT determined by
>>> the old scriptures of a religious sect, you pathetic half-wit.
>>
>> It looks like you're the half-wit. God and the Ununited Nations are two
>> different things. Israel was given the land by both of them. Nobody gave the
>> land to the hamas.
>The United Nations does NOT recognize that Israel has full sovereign
>ownership of Gaza or the West Bank, half-wit.
Those are now the demilitarized zones occupied by Israel to fight hamas
terrorism from those areas.
All those killer supporters have to do is run hamas out, and they get their land
back.
>Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any other country on
>the planet, half-wit.
And suffer more terrorism from those areas than any other country on the planet.
>Also the UN does NOT make its policies based on anybody's God or on the
>old scriptures of a religious text, half-wit.
God gave it to Israel, and the Ununited Nations agreed.
Heeheeheeheehee.
>>> You really ARE a fucking backwoods holy roller freak.
Who finds it soooooooo easy to find the faults in your words.
Patrick
The best way to straighten them out is to help
them find their God immediately. Unfortunately the rest
of the world didn't like that solution.
John Manning
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:32:25 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:46:28 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:45:37 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>>>>>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>>>>>> That'll be the day.
>>>>>> Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>>>>>> Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>>>>>> been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>>>>>> have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>>>>>> people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
>>>>> Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
>>>>> Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
>>>>> 3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
>>>>> nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
>>>>> against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
>>>>> and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
>>>>> that a prophet has been among them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>>>>>> up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>>>>>> military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>>>>>> extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>>>>>> and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>>>>> God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
>>>>> Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
>>>> The international community and international law are NOT determined by
>>>> the old scriptures of a religious sect, you pathetic half-wit.
>>> It looks like you're the half-wit. God and the Ununited Nations are two
>>> different things. Israel was given the land by both of them. Nobody gave the
>>> land to the hamas.
>
>> The United Nations does NOT recognize that Israel has full sovereign
>> ownership of Gaza or the West Bank, half-wit.
>
> Those are now the demilitarized zones occupied by Israel to fight hamas
> terrorism from those areas.
That comment has nothing to do with what I said: "The United Nations
does NOT recognize that Israel has full sovereign ownership of Gaza or
the West Bank, bigot boy.
>
> All those killer supporters have to do is run hamas out, and they get their land
> back.
>
>> Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any other country on
>> the planet, half-wit.
>
> And suffer more terrorism from those areas than any other country on the planet.
Because they're not willing to follow the UN guidelines of international
law and continue to abuse, oppress and violate the civil rights of the
Palestinians - as their record setting violations of UN resolutions
clearly indicate, half-wit.
>
>> Also the UN does NOT make its policies based on anybody's God or on the
>> old scriptures of a religious text, half-wit.
>
> God gave it to Israel, and the Ununited Nations agreed.
You're not paying attention, bigot boy. The United Nations does NOT make
its policies based on anybody's God or on the old scriptures of any
particular religious text.
In fact Istael is in VIOLATION of more UN resolutions that any other
nation on the planet, bigot boy.
AND - The UN does NOT recognize that Israel has sovereign legal
ownership of the lands in question.
D_Frum...@ndersnat.ch
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:32:25 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:46:28 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:45:37 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know how or when but I think if Israel doesn't change its act
>>>>>>>>> its headed toward getting its national ass severely kicked.
>>>>>>>> That'll be the day.
>>>>>>> Yeah. And it will be a painful day of reckoning for Israel.
>>>>>>> Historically going back to Biblical times as a nation, they never HAVE
>>>>>>> been able to get along with their neighbors - most likely because they
>>>>>>> have carried this arrogant bullshit notion that they are the "'chosen'
>>>>>>> people of God" and are somehow superior to all other peoples.
>>>>>> Where does anything say anything about them being "the chosen".
>>>>>> Except that they are "the chosen" ones for correction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ezekiel 2:3-5 (New International Version)
>>>>>> 3 He said: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites, to a rebellious
>>>>>> nation that has rebelled against me; they and their fathers have been in revolt
>>>>>> against me to this very day. 4 The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate
>>>>>> and stubborn. Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' 5 And whether
>>>>>> they listen or fail to listen�for they are a rebellious house�they will know
>>>>>> that a prophet has been among them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I said, it looks to me like the world and the USA is just about fed
>>>>>>> up with Israel's decades long brutal occupation by the vastly superior
>>>>>>> military of the Israelis and their continuous encroachment into and
>>>>>>> extensive seizing of more and more land against previous agreements -
>>>>>>> and their record-breaking number of violations against UN resolutions.
>>>>>> God gave them the land, and the Ununited Nations returned it to them after
>>>>>> Ismael's folks tried to steal it.
>>>>> The international community and international law are NOT determined by
>>>>> the old scriptures of a religious sect, you pathetic half-wit.
>>>> It looks like you're the half-wit. God and the Ununited Nations are two
>>>> different things. Israel was given the land by both of them. Nobody gave the
>>>> land to the hamas.
>>
>>> The United Nations does NOT recognize that Israel has full sovereign
>>> ownership of Gaza or the West Bank, half-wit.
>>
>> Those are now the demilitarized zones occupied by Israel to fight hamas
>> terrorism from those areas.
>That comment has nothing to do with what I said: "The United Nations
>does NOT recognize that Israel has full sovereign ownership of Gaza or
>the West Bank, bigot boy.
That's why they are called the DMZ. If your boys would grow up and run hamas
out, the world would be a happy place.
>> All those killer supporters have to do is run hamas out, and they get their land
>> back.
>>
>>> Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any other country on
>>> the planet, half-wit.
>>
>> And suffer more terrorism from those areas than any other country on the planet.
>Because they're not willing to follow the UN guidelines of international
>law and continue to abuse, oppress and violate the civil rights of the
>Palestinians
Haahaahaahaahaa. You're a funny little dude. Run hamas out and the world
smiles on them.
>>> Also the UN does NOT make its policies based on anybody's God or on the
>>> old scriptures of a religious text, half-wit.
>>
>> God gave it to Israel, and the Ununited Nations agreed.
>You're not paying attention, bigot boy. The United Nations does NOT make
>its policies based on anybody's God or on the old scriptures of any
>particular religious text.
But they agree - God and the Ununited Nations.
>In fact Istael is in VIOLATION of more UN resolutions that any other
>nation on the planet, bigot boy.
>AND - The UN does NOT recognize that Israel has sovereign legal
>ownership of the lands in question.
The DMZ will become a place of joy if the palestinians would grow up.