I am 18 she is 13
Az....
She had sex with other guys before!
Her parents don't mind!
She is mature as a 18 year old!
I may be charged for rape!
I know girls who had children when 13!
What can one do?
Shuaibu N Mohammed
try 9year old. Continue like this untill you have four.
Az.... (am...@brighton.ac.uk) wrote:
: I am 18 she is 13!
zad
am96>I am 18 she is 13!
am96>She had sex with other guys before!
zad: Oh boy! They'll never stop AIDS!!
am 96>Her parents don't mind!
SAMI ELKHAYRI
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Az.... wrote:
> I am 18 she is 13!
> She had sex with other guys before!
> Her parents don't mind!
> She is mature as a 18 year old!
> I may be charged for rape!
> I know girls who had children when 13!
>
> What can one do?
>
If she is mature as an eighteen year old, she wouldn't be having sex at 13.
Salam,
Sami.
syavash
>
> I am 18 she is 13!
> She had sex with other guys before!
> Her parents don't mind!
> She is mature as a 18 year old!
> I may be charged for rape!
> I know girls who had children when 13!
>
> What can one do?
this reminds me of a GOOGOOSH song ( just after she came back from
Italy):
"I was 16 he was older.......................... " ;-)
syavash
kameron behzadian
>Az.... (am...@brighton.ac.uk) wrote:
>: I am 18 she is 13!
>: She had sex with other guys before!
>: Her parents don't mind!
>: She is mature as a 18 year old!
>: I may be charged for rape!
>: I know girls who had children when 13!
>: What can one do?
>hopefully who are using an anonymous address.
and practice safe sex. getting thrown in jail is secondary to catching
some kinda disease and never recovering. yeah. that's right. safe and
anonymous.
what would it be like to be a teen again..
kam
J. Reese
> I am 18 she is 13!
> She had sex with other guys before!
> Her parents don't mind!
> She is mature as a 18 year old!
> I may be charged for rape!
> I know girls who had children when 13!
>
> What can one do?
Go live in Turkey?
Jason
Farrukh Shamsi
Ashraf Abu-Abdou
>> She had sex with other guys before!
>> Her parents don't mind!
>> She is mature as a 18 year old!
>> I may be charged for rape!
>> I know girls who had children when 13!
>>
>> What can one do?
>>
Why did you have sex with a 13 year old if you are afraid of getting charged
with rape?..If this child was mature, she would not have sex at the age of
13 from the first place. Seeing an increasing number of children having
sex at this age is a real scary thought.
Ashraf
Amir Asghari
>Az.... wrote:
>>
>> I am 18 she is 13!
>> She had sex with other guys before!
>> Her parents don't mind!
>> She is mature as a 18 year old!
>> I may be charged for rape!
>> I know girls who had children when 13!
>>
>> What can one do?
>
>Italy):
>"I was 16 he was older.......................... " ;-)
>syavash
You S.O.B don't mess with GooGoosh. Go sleep with Arabs.
John Lynch
100...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>, Farrukh Shamsi
<sha...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA> writes
>marry Her Idiot!
He didn't mention that she had an idiot. Where do you get your
information?
--
John Lynch
Amir Asghari
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960129105352.130A-100000-100000-100000@obelix>,
>SAMI ELKHAYRI <elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I am 18 she is 13!
>>> She had sex with other guys before!
>>> Her parents don't mind!
>>> She is mature as a 18 year old!
>>> I may be charged for rape!
>>> I know girls who had children when 13!
>>>
>>> What can one do?
>>>
>
>
>with rape?..If this child was mature, she would not have sex at the age of
>13 from the first place. Seeing an increasing number of children having
>sex at this age is a real scary thought.
>
>
>Ashraf
>
>
Why? Mohammad married Aysha at age of 9 when he was 60.(Right! deny this
as all other things).
For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
syavash
>
> syavash <sya...@host.edu> wrote:
> >Az.... wrote:
> >>
> >> I am 18 she is 13!
> >> She had sex with other guys before!
> >> Her parents don't mind!
> >> She is mature as a 18 year old!
> >> I may be charged for rape!
> >> I know girls who had children when 13!
> >>
> >> What can one do?
> >
> >Italy):
> >"I was 16 he was older.......................... " ;-)
> >syavash
>
> You S.O.B don't mess with GooGoosh. Go sleep with Arabs.
Khoshvaghtam bandeh syavash!
The iranian at utdallas are always a surprise for me!
Hmmmmm you are no. .... I guess!
bAz in computero dadan dasteh yeh bacheh naneh
ke babash pooleh jibisho ghat kardeh!
Amiro biya in 2 bucks ro begir ba fateeushA jAn
boro "basic instict" o bebin shayad aroom begiree
now tell me which arab has rejected you than you are getting your
pants wet?
becheh nanehyeh poolaki nabashid
syavash
Concord
Ever wonder why this article was cross-posted to all the above newsgroups?
Well, here's why:
This is actually in regards to an article about a real-life situation
that was printed in the Time magazine this week.
I'll include it at the end of this post.
You can find the Time's home page through the "Internet Services" link on
my home page where you'll probably find the digitized version of the
story along with the concerned parties' picture.
Take Care.
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TIME MAGAZINE, February 5, 1996
TALK OF THE STREETS
A 12-year-old British girl on holiday falls in love with an 18-year-old
waiter at the hotel in Turkey where she is staying with her parents. Home
from vacation, she pleads to be allowed to visit her boyfriend. Any
parent would refuse, right? Not the parents of Sarah Cook. Adrian and
Jackie Cook not only permitted Sarah, by then 13, to travel to the remote
Turkish town of Kahramanmaras to visit Musa Komeagac, but also agreed
three months later to the couple's marriage. When the Sun, a British
tabloid, broke the story last week, consternation boiled over in both
countries. The religious ceremony performed in Kahramanmaras, it emerged,
was not a legal marriage; in any case, the minimum age in Turkey --with
parental consent and special dispensation-- is 14. By week's end the
bride's mother had flown to be with her daughter in Kahramanmaras, where
the bridegroom had been jailed and charged with statutory rape. His lawyer
was pressing for the bride and her mother to remain to testify on his
behalf, and Britain was pressing for Sarah to be sent home, where she has
been made a ward of the court.
END.
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Peter H. M. Brooks
asg...@utdallas.edu "Amir Asghari" writes:
> For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
>
I don't believe you, surely 150, 200, or more is a limit? Or is necrophilia
quite acceptable in Islam?
Incidentally, you mention sex with women, what is the limit for sex
with goats (I am not thinking of joining up just because you give an
encouraging answer, so you can be frank)?
--
Peter H. M. Brooks
John Lynch
<asg...@utdallas.edu> writes
>Mohammad married Aysha at age of 9 when he was 60.
Oh. That's all right, then
--
John Lynch
AYAZ SOMJEE
: I am 18 she is 13!
: She had sex with other guys before!
: Her parents don't mind!
: She is mature as a 18 year old!
: I may be charged for rape!
: I know girls who had children when 13!
... is this some kind of _independent verse_??? ...
: What can one do?
... to start with, one can stop crossposting to several newsgroups at
a time.
Regards
Az. [... not from am...@brighton.ac.uk ...]
Ashraf
" --
" John Lynch
Thats really funny... Thanks John.
regards, Ashraf.
Amir Asghari
>
>Khoshvaghtam bandeh syavash!
Go Fuck Yourself.
>The iranian at utdallas are always a surprise for me!
Really?!! Then they must have done a good job on you.
>Hmmmmm you are no. .... I guess!
You don't know. Try, I would say.
>bAz in computero dadan dasteh yeh bacheh naneh
>ke babash pooleh jibisho ghat kardeh!
>Amiro biya in 2 bucks ro begir ba fateeushA jAn
>boro "basic instict" o bebin shayad aroom begiree
>now tell me which arab has rejected you than you are getting your
>pants wet?
Well, the sacred language of Farsi is spoiled by M.F like you.
Do me a favor! Don't associate yourself with us. Go and "lAs" with
your ...
>becheh nanehyeh poolaki nabashid
Look who's talking!!!!
Erini Doss
with as you please and abuse and marry any four as you want..
complete bullshitifyou ask me..thank God for America!!
Erini
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Ed Fowler
I think what he is saying is the the founder of Islam, on of the great
religions of the world, was a paederast. Comments?
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Amir Asghari
>Oh. That's all right, then
>--
>John Lynch
What are U talking about? What's all right?
Amir Asghari
>I don't believe you, surely 150, 200, or more is a limit? Or is necrophilia
>quite acceptable in Islam?
>
>Incidentally, you mention sex with women, what is the limit for sex
>with goats (I am not thinking of joining up just because you give an
>encouraging answer, so you can be frank)?
>
>--
>Peter H. M. Brooks
Now you're fooling around. O.K then, let's fool around.
Having sex with goat is a universal concept and for more information
about the age limit for this particular activity you can refer to
ancient Christian script (3:20:1 Lutheran).
Good Luck!
Walter Gray
>In article <4em4rm$k...@news.utdallas.edu>
> asg...@utdallas.edu "Amir Asghari" writes:
>
>> For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
>>
>quite acceptable in Islam?
>
>Incidentally, you mention sex with women, what is the limit for sex
>with goats (I am not thinking of joining up just because you give an
>encouraging answer, so you can be frank)?
No, somebody else is already Frank. Perhaps he could be Ernest instead.
Walter
------
Haidar Mahdi
>
> yeah, well according to Islam, women are also considered aas property to do
> with as you please and abuse and marry any four as you want..
Shall we have some proof of this?
>
> complete bullshitifyou ask me..thank God for America!!
>
> Erini
It is clear that you only know how to express your opinions by using bad
language and making baseless one-line statements about religions.
Haidar Mahdi
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
John Lynch
l.lehman.com> writes
>>Oh. That's all right, then
>>--
>>John Lynch
>
>religions of the world, was a paederast. Comments?
I think I'll sit this one out, if you don't mind.
--
John Lynch
John Lynch
<asg...@utdallas.edu> writes
>>Oh. That's all right, then
>>--
>>John Lynch
>
>
>
Does English give you a problem?
--
John Lynch
John Lynch
<asg...@utdallas.edu> writes
>you can refer to
>
>ancient Christian script (3:20:1 Lutheran).
Were there any Lutherans among the ancient Christians? I didn't know
that
--
John Lynch
John Lynch
<eri...@comm.mot.com> writes
>yeah, well according to Islam, women are also considered aas property to do
>with as you please and abuse and marry any four as you want..
>
There are no Moslems in America?
--
John Lynch
Ashraf Abu-Abdou
Erini Doss <eri...@comm.mot.com> wrote:
>yeah, well according to Islam, women are also considered aas property to do
>with as you please and abuse and marry any four as you want..
I pity you. Thank God you are not the president.
Ashraf
>complete bullshitifyou ask me..thank God for America!!
>
Karen Mercedes
old man's *ancient*".
KM
=====
Karen Mercedes
KM
=====
On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, John Lynch wrote:
> In article <4etrno$p...@brokaw.comm.mot.com>, Erini Doss
> <eri...@comm.mot.com> writes
> >yeah, well according to Islam, women are also considered aas property to do
> >with as you please and abuse and marry any four as you want..
> >
> >complete bullshitifyou ask me..thank God for America!!
>
John Lynch
Karen Mercedes <merc...@access2.digex.net> writes
>Nope, none at all. Just a lot of Muslims.
>
Karen
A little while ago you gave a fatuous response to someone's post about
Graham Greene's entertainments, because you didn't know that he himself
used that word.
Now you don't seem to know that Moslem/Muslim are interchangeable
spellings.
Most of us know that the well of our ignorance is a deep, indeed
unfathomable, one. You do seem to work harder than most at sharing that
knowledge with others
--
John Lynch
Amir Asghari
>Does English give you a problem?
British English gives me problems. But that's my problem.
Amir Asghari
>Shall we have some proof of this?
>
Sure we can.
a) Refer to women position in Saudi Arabia and Iran.
b) Polygamy is officially stated and practiced by both ancient and modern
Islamic rulers and civilians (including Mohammad himself).
c) Read carefully "Nesa" versus in Quran and judge honestly what Quran
suggests in that versus about women treatment including giving right
to men to beat their wives in case their wives don't obey them.
d) Islam doesn't officially recognize the right of occupying certain jobs
for women including becoming a "Judge", "Priest", ...
e) According to "ghesas" rule, women must be punished twice as hard as
men in case of commiting a crime.
f) there are hundreds of other things but I just gave a taste.
>It is clear that you only know how to express your opinions by using bad
>language and making baseless one-line statements about religions.
>
>Haidar Mahdi
That's your words. I don't think he used harsh words. But I gave you what
you wanted to hear as evidence in a curtious way. Think about them and
don't be brain-washed.
Amir
John Lynch
<asg...@utdallas.edu> writes
>That was just to open up John's eyes but apparently I failed in that
Perhaps a little clarity might have helped
--
John Lynch
Reb
>On 30 Jan 1996 22:07:50 GMT, Amir Asghari <asg...@utdallas.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>heb...@iastate.edu (Ashraf Abu-Abdou) wrote:
>>>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960129105352.130A-100000-100000-100000@obelix>,
>>>SAMI ELKHAYRI <elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Az.... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am 18 she is 13!
>>>>> She had sex with other guys before!
>>>>> Her parents don't mind!
>>>>> She is mature as a 18 year old!
>>>>> I may be charged for rape!
>>>>> I know girls who had children when 13!
>>>>>
>>>>> What can one do?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why did you have sex with a 13 year old if you are afraid of getting charged
>>>with rape?..If this child was mature, she would not have sex at the age of
>>>13 from the first place. Seeing an increasing number of children having
>>>sex at this age is a real scary thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ashraf
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Why? Mohammad married Aysha at age of 9 when he was 60.(Right! deny this
>>
>>as all other things).
>>
>>For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
>>
>>
>>Fuck You and the Pig Fucking Bothers of Islam , we should have finished the job in Baghad,and killed or castrated you Child fucking ,Camel Jockeys then.
>One Day Pal ,One Day.
>Islam or the Child Molester MoHammed isn't going to save any of you.
>Christians Have Jihaads too.
>
Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
maybe 4yrs in Egypt, and if any civilisation is perverteted the sick
fuckers are.
I have had 8-13 yr olds offered to me for sex (male & Female) by the
parents,I could have done anything to those kids for a few
dollars,compliments of the parents and the laws of Islam, makes you
feeel good dosen't it ,to think that they feel they should come to the
US,and be equal to you.
John Lynch
Karen Mercedes <merc...@access5.digex.net> writes
>And you didn't get what may have been a bad joke, but was a joke
>nonetheless.
>
Was the gaffe over GG's entertainments also a joke? I think not.
Sorry, Karen. The ignorance charge stands
--
John Lynch
richard_the_lionheart
OCEANS APART DAY AFTER DAY
On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Farrukh Shamsi wrote:
> marry Her Idiot!
>
This is ridiculous the girl is 13 this is akin to the practices carried
out in India that are even supposed to be illegal in that country. She is
way under the age of maturity and consent. A person should be at a mature
age before getting married, for it entails much more responsibility then
putting a finger and saying I do.
-------------------Basil
syavash
>
> syavash <sya...@host.edu> wrote:
> >
> >ooohhh haaaaa ooohhhh haaaaa
> >
>
> I'm sorry I didn't know it's so painful for you. Next time I'll do it
> softer.
>
havent u seen any soccer game?
i guess not! ur work schedule gotta be very busy!
> >deegeh cheghadar engilisi balati?
>
> chizaye dige ham baltim Age khAstid midim khedmatetoon.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
roo kon bebinom harf baseh!
>
> >i wanna know howe do you go to AftAbeh?
>
> All right, I got you. You really like Aftabeh for its "dasteh".
> Well, some like it hot!!! That's all I can say.
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
now u r in contradiction with urself ashghari
> >> >The iranian at utdallas are always a surprise for me!
> >>
> >> Really?!! Then they must have done a good job on you.
> >>
> >depends how bad i am laughing :Q
>
> Or maybe how bad you're shouting from pain :-))))
>
seems u have experienced lots of pain! ashghari
hamaro bekish kheish binad!
> >how do u know asghari?
> >deeshab sareh boomet ki bood?
>
> In each event, not the one who was on your "boom".
>
well sure not, ur tarafdars are not my type :)
> >i said once : nice toi meet u! my name is syavash , u r mr whgat ? S
> >namanah or M namanah?
>
> O.K, O.K, I got you. Now, kashef be amal Amad ke Tork hasti.
>
arab ham hastam! big one!
> >i bet u cant even pull up ur kheshtak!
>
> Usually when I'm done (with the ones like you) I leave my kheshtak down
> for a while for a second round.
>
or they wont late u take it up! if anything remains
from the leftover of it!
> >i wish u had one but i guess u had lost it when
> >u got it as beyragh on the top of your head!
> >i want to know how do you go to aftabeh!
> >taghseereh tow nist
> >babi rafteh aragh khoree
> >mami too casino mashghooleh
>
> My babi and mami are dead long time ago otherwise they wouldn't sent me
> to the war to lose my hand for MF like you who are "bacheh pooldAr" and
> specially "bacheh naneh" dancing in disco and fool around.
>
so seems u r bee pedaro madar! didnt i say!
ur going to war losing ur hand is the reason why u
hate them so much?
if u didnt hate them u wouldnt insult others'
parents.
u lost ur hand to war ? sorry but who gives a shit!
some people died in war fort a good reason!
i bet u shot ur hand just to have an excuse not to go
to front line!
btw gooz be shagheegheh cheh marboot asghari?
ur excuses reminds me of those khAlibands
who after 1357 used to lie that i was zendaniyeh
siyAsi and got tortured etc...
in hana hA vaseyeh sareh mA rang nadareh asghari
ghoooghhooliol doleh
get to know whom your talking to then open ur smelly
mouth and throw some shit out of it!
now just cus u r handless and no1 gives a flying
hoot to u
and fati has left u , it doesnt mean u gotta take
revenge from this poor computer
and throw your oghdeh on sci!
> >fati ham velet kardeh
> >tow yee in jabeyeh jadooyee compu"ter"
> >bachegi o bee nanegee deegeh
>
> Man, beleive me you're insane. You need help. It's not too late you can
> be treated.
>
but too late for u get ur hand and brain back!
now tell me how do you it youghourt?
> >> Do me a favor! Don't associate yourself with us. Go and "lAs" with
> >>
> >us? u mean u sa?
>
> No baby, you got that wrong. I meant from us "the Iranians".
>
u migth be iranian but for sure u r a stupid one ansd
a symbol of shame to iranians!
next time ghooghooli u wanna arabdeh keshi , remember
those arbadeh kesh from darvazeh ghAr
at least had the gut to do it in front of person
not behind a monitor!
and they wont cry oh papi oh mamoi i lost my parents
if not i wouldnt go to war and lost my hand!
benAzam be logic!
> >taraf arab boodeh haletow gerefteh?
>
> age arabe hAle manoo gerefteh, bA too chi kArA kardeh???
>
ashghari yepety i am a big time arab!
> >or do u mean dont associate with ur ham Akhoree?
> >baz dareh taveeleh baz moond oomadee beeroon joftak parooni?
>
> So you like the "chizeh koloft" of those in "tavileh", right?
all the prostitue on the street would beat up any
descent woman on the street
thinking they r their type and are competing with
them!
so now u think all are like u ?
ashghari bA dast yA beedast hamoon kharee boodi ke
hasti!
>
> >i want to know how do u go to AftAbeh?
> >ask babi mami and fati
> >they migth help u!
>
>
> >>becheh nanehyeh poolaki nabashid
> >>
> >> Look who's talking!!!!
> >
> >sarvaret syavash :)
>
> yeah, sarvareSH sya + vash
googhooliyol doleh farsi balat nisti bepors
syavash
,, ,
And if you are; Are a patriot muslim ....!!!
And if you are ... Then you are very dull.
You started this thread for what purpose !!!!
What is it you want to gain from this .....!!!!
HM
Fatima Ibrahim Al-Shirawi
Ever travelled out of the narrow confines of Western culture?
As for Reb's observation about Egypt, I find it difficult to
make the connection between Islam and your experiences in that
country. Maybe you and Richard can take a trip together to
a place away from that dirty gloomy corridor which you two
appear to share. Oh and Reb . . . we're not equal to you . . .
we're better.
Reb wrote:
: On Tue, 06 Feb 1996 05:50:49 GMT, Richard the Lionheart wrote:
: >On 30 Jan 1996 22:07:50 GMT, Amir Asghari <asg...@utdallas.edu>
: >wrote:
: >
: >>heb...@iastate.edu (Ashraf Abu-Abdou) wrote:
: >>>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960129105352.130A-100000-100000-100000@obelix>,
: >>>SAMI ELKHAYRI <elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Az.... wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>> I am 18 she is 13!
: >>>>> She had sex with other guys before!
: >>>>> Her parents don't mind!
: >>>>> She is mature as a 18 year old!
: >>>>> I may be charged for rape!
: >>>>> I know girls who had children when 13!
: >>>>>
: >>>>> What can one do?
: >>>>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>Why did you have sex with a 13 year old if you are afraid of getting charged
: >>>with rape?..If this child was mature, she would not have sex at the age of
: >>>13 from the first place. Seeing an increasing number of children having
: >>>sex at this age is a real scary thought.
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>Ashraf
: >>>
: >>>
: >>
: >>Why? Mohammad married Aysha at age of 9 when he was 60.(Right! deny this
: >>
: >>as all other things).
: >>
: >>For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
: >>
: >>
: >>Fuck You and the Pig Fucking Bothers of Islam , we should have finished the job in Baghad,and killed or castrated you Child fucking ,Camel Jockeys then.
: >One Day Pal ,One Day.
: >Islam or the Child Molester MoHammed isn't going to save any of you.
: >Christians Have Jihaads too.
: >
: Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
Amir Asghari
>Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
>maybe 4yrs in Egypt, and if any civilisation is perverteted the sick
>fuckers are.
>I have had 8-13 yr olds offered to me for sex (male & Female) by the
>parents,I could have done anything to those kids for a few
>dollars,compliments of the parents and the laws of Islam, makes you
>feeel good dosen't it ,to think that they feel they should come to the
>US,and be equal to you.
Although, I'm not Islamic myself and critisize the inhumane Islamic laws,
I must admit that Americans are the most perverse mobile animals on
this planet. If Arabic parents offered you their childs for sex, at least
they did it for money. What about American fathers and brothers fucking
their own child and sisters for free (refer to incest statistics). (if
you patronize other nations then this is your answer). Further for your
information I'm neither Islamic nor Iraqi but your pride is your crimes
in Vietnam and other countries. Right, great nation you are!!!! You
wish!!!!
No respect.
Amir Asghari
>Perhaps a little clarity might have helped
yeah, perhaps. who knows?
William Sheldon Simms
Fatima Ibrahim Al-Shirawi <fa...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now *that* is a great name!
-Sheldon
--
W. Sheldon Simms III
gt8...@prism.gatech.edu <- Note New e-mail address
Newt's Friend / Vote for Phil / End the welfare state now!
SAMI ELKHAYRI
On 6 Feb 1996, Amir Asghari wrote:
> Although, I'm not Islamic myself and critisize the inhumane Islamic laws,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Excuse me! Inhumane?! Allow me to remind you of the Spanish Inquisition,
Nazi Germany, the whole relation between protestantism and catholicism in
England, the Serb war crimes.
The Islamic laws are far from inhumane. It was the Muslims who took in
the Jews when the Christians in Spain were slaughtering them. I am a Muslim,
and NO not because my parents are Muslims. I truly believe in Islam.
And let me suggest that before passing judgement on any subject, at least
try to be well informed. A little knowledge IS a dangerous thing.
Salam,
Sami.
Haidar Mahdi
>
> >Shall we have some proof of this?
> >
>
> Sure we can.
>
> a) Refer to women position in Saudi Arabia and Iran.
> b) Polygamy is officially stated and practiced by both ancient and modern
> Islamic rulers and civilians (including Mohammad himself).
>
> c) Read carefully "Nesa" versus in Quran and judge honestly what Quran
> suggests in that versus about women treatment including giving right
> to men to beat their wives in case their wives don't obey them.
>
> d) Islam doesn't officially recognize the right of occupying certain jobs
> for women including becoming a "Judge", "Priest", ...
>
> e) According to "ghesas" rule, women must be punished twice as hard as
> men in case of commiting a crime.
>
> f) there are hundreds of other things but I just gave a taste.
Dear Amir Asghari,
With all the information you try to find against IslAm, you forget one very
important thing.
It is a statement that is found at the beginning of all suras in the Qur'an
except for one.
"In the name of God (swt), the compassionate, the merciful"
God (swt) is compassionate and merciful. Whatever you try to brew up, always
remember the above words. Compassion. Mercy.
Any malevolent acts that would be harmful to women are banned in IslAm. All
injustice is banned in IslAm. Whatever injustice you see today in IslAmic
society is the cause of human misinterpretation of the message of Justice and
Truth: Deen Eslami.
Haidar Mahdi
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
Gary Wheaton
"For your information there is no age limit on sex with women in Islam".
You have obviously overlooked the essence of your own statement...
you said, ...women... and a 13 year old is NOT a woman, she is a little
girl,
someone's baby... in the future, perhaps one like your own. Then, will
you
become the hypocrite?
GW
Nusrat Rizvi
nau...@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Naufal A. Khan) writes:
>
>replied via email (since you took it upon yourself to 'open' my eyes
>and fill my spool).
>
>regards,
>Naufal.
>
>In article <4f5jb4$7...@news.utdallas.edu>,
>Amir Asghari <asg...@utdallas.edu> wrote:
>.>nau...@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Naufal A. Khan) wrote:
>.>.>Erini Doss <eri...@comm.mot.com.> wrote:
>.>.>..>yeah, well according to Islam, women are also considered aas
property to do
>.>.>..>with as you please and abuse and marry any four as you want..
>.>.>..>
>.>.>..>complete bullshitifyou ask me..thank God for America!!
>.>.> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>.>.>I agree ... complete bullshit if we ask you ... which usually IS
>.>.>the case with ingoramuses carrying big mouths and small brains.
>.>.>Suggestions: objective reading and a mental dirt-devil.
>.>.>
>.>.>evolve on,
>.>.>Naufal.
>.>.>
>.>
>.>Oh, So each time someone says something that you don't like he/she
is
>.>insane. Interesting: very interesting mentality.
>.>
>.>
>.>Well, I have a suggestion fro you Naufal. Why don't you evolve and
look objectively at Islamic laws instead of being brain-washed by what
your parents and environment have taught you?
>.>
>.>And why don't you present your evidence regarding Islamic support
for female rights?
>.>
>.>Don't be brain-washed. Live dynamic
>.>Amir
&&& I can only state that Islam fears logic lot more than it fears
Judaisim, and if our younger generation begins to question why we do
certain things the way we do, it may be possible that this affliction
may be eradicated within our lifetime.&&&&
nusrat rizvi
Nusrat Rizvi
>
>On Tue, 06 Feb 1996 05:50:49 GMT, Richard the Lionheart wrote:
>
>>On 30 Jan 1996 22:07:50 GMT, Amir Asghari <asg...@utdallas.edu>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Why did you have sex with a 13 year old if you are afraid of
getting charged
>>>>with rape?..If this child was mature, she would not have sex at the
age of
>>>>13 from the first place. Seeing an increasing number of children
having sex at this age is a real scary thought.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ashraf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why? Mohammad married Aysha at age of 9 when he was 60.(Right! deny
this
>>>
>>>as all other things).
>>>
>>>For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in
Islam.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fuck You and the Pig Fucking Bothers of Islam , we should have
finished the job in Baghad,and killed or castrated you Child fucking
,Camel Jockeys then.
>>One Day Pal ,One Day.
>>Islam or the Child Molester MoHammed isn't going to save any of you.
>>Christians Have Jihaads too.
>>
>Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
>maybe 4yrs in Egypt, and if any civilisation is perverteted the sick
>fuckers are.
>I have had 8-13 yr olds offered to me for sex (male & Female) by the
>parents,I could have done anything to those kids for a few
>dollars,compliments of the parents and the laws of Islam, makes you
>feeel good dosen't it ,to think that they feel they should come to the
>US,and be equal to you.
### Penetrating a tight vagina is considered the height of sexual
pleasure by the Arab Monkys. Relying on this old custom the founders of
BCCI went on a rampage of procuring 9-12 year old girls from Indian
sub-continent to proffer them to the moneyed Arabs with good results.
Mohammed himself could not resist the temptation and ended up
deflowering a 9 year old child named Ayisha.&&&&
nusrat rizvi
Scott
A woman's word is worth only half that of a man's in an Islamic court?
A Muslim wife is not allowed to refuse her husband sex unless pregnant or
menstruating? - as if her body was not her own!
Tyranny begins at home.....
Mohammad Noorul Islam
>On 6 Feb 1996, Amir Asghari wrote:
>Excuse me! Inhumane?! Allow me to remind you of the Spanish Inquisition,
>Nazi Germany, the whole relation between protestantism and catholicism in
>England, the Serb war crimes.
Here is another post reflecting the paranoia and the defensiveness of the
advocates of Islam. Saying that Nazis or Midaeval Christians committed
atrocities is NOT a justification for the alleged inhumaneness of Islamic
laws. How long does it take people to assimilate this point? It is slanderous,
and unfair that the references to the Inquisition and the Holocaust are
self-righteously thrown at anyone who dares to criticize Islam. I am sure the
Holocaust and other such examples are as repugnant to Mr.Asghari as they are
you the more-loyal-than-the-king Mr. Khayri.
'Inhumane' is a subjective word. Mr.Asghari finds amputations and stonings,
or Islamic divorce laws, or child-marriages and the like 'inhumane'. Apparently
you don't, or you do and are trying to skirt around the issue by the time
honored method of diversion.
--
Mohammad Noorul Islam
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
The Johns Hopkins University
Email: mis...@rowland.pha.jhu.edu
People say religion makes virtuous men. So I have been told. I have not
seen it.
--Bertrand Russell
Haidar Mahdi
> >Fuck You and the Pig Fucking Bothers of Islam , we should have finished the job in Baghad,and killed or castrated you Child fucking
,Camel Jockeys then.
> One Day Pal ,One Day.
> Islam or the Child Molester MoHammed isn't going to save any of you.
> Christians Have Jihaads too.
Look at your great Christian values here. Would Jesus Christ (AS) accept
what you are doing now? Ask yourself that question.
Haidar Mahdi
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
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I wonder how an Islamic WOMEN FEELS
about all this?????????????????
t...@hplb.hpl.hp.com
|On 6 Feb 1996, Amir Asghari wrote:
|> Although, I'm not Islamic myself and critisize the inhumane Islamic laws,
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|Excuse me! Inhumane?! Allow me to remind you of the Spanish Inquisition,
|Nazi Germany, the whole relation between protestantism and catholicism in
|England, the Serb war crimes.
This argument appears to be "Christian episodes are inhumane, so Islamic
law isn't humane". Hmmm.
And to think the Arabs invented algebra. But not Boolean algebra.
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|Any malevolent acts that would be harmful to women are banned in IslAm. All
|injustice is banned in IslAm.
That's a very strong statement. Does it include stoning woment to death for
adultery?
|Whatever injustice you see today in IslAmic
|society is the cause of human misinterpretation of the message of Justice and
|Truth: Deen Eslami.
And that's a self fulfulling statement if ever there was one. The key question
are:
can humans ever interpret the Message coirrectly?
when not interpreted correctly, why were they allowed to interpret
them incorrectly (both spiritually and temporally)?
bache tehroon
>Reb wrote:
>
>>Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
>>maybe 4yrs in Egypt, and if any civilisation is perverteted the sick
>>fuckers are.
>>I have had 8-13 yr olds offered to me for sex (male & Female) by the
>>parents,I could have done anything to those kids for a few
>>dollars,compliments of the parents and the laws of Islam, makes you
>>feeel good dosen't it ,to think that they feel they should come to the
>>US,and be equal to you.
>
maryjuana or something? or you were drunk dreaming of those kids?
i know iranian dads are the most concerned and responsible dads on the
earth and i think sort of the same is true for the other middle
easterners. that is why we have so much difficulty communicating between
opposite sexes before marriage.
islamic law never allows a pig like you even touch an iraqi or egyptian
girl. you were having dreams fellow bad dreams and the woman next to you
was a prostitute offered by your yankee fellow while you were so drunk or
stoned that you felt her like she is a kid.
with highest regards to all except reb the pig.
--
daadaash
bi...@phish.nether.net
: Amir Asghari wrote:
: >
: > >Shall we have some proof of this?
: > >
: >
: > Sure we can.
: Haidar Mahdi
Haidar,
What Amir wrote is the truth but your prejudice has blinded you
and all you are doing is ignoring the facts about islam.
Islam has no respect for women and that is an undeniable truth.
Amir Asghari
.
.. |
__W_\ q O |_,__W _' | >
(_) ) (_s
.. ..
>> syavash <sya...@host.edu> wrote:
>havent u seen any soccer game?
>i guess not! ur work schedule gotta be very busy!
Yeah, my schedule is full of activities like "kam kardane roye bacheh mozalef hayi
mesle to".
>roo kon bebinom harf baseh!
age roo konam ke vahshat mikoni !!!
>> >i wanna know howe do you go to AftAbeh?
>>
>> All right, I got you. You really like Aftabeh for its "dasteh".
>> Well, some like it hot!!! That's all I can say.
>>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>now u r in contradiction with urself ashghari
u're right. I made a mistake. Actually u like "luleh aftabeh" better. its easier to
"shaf" it in your mother's ...
> seems u have experienced lots of pain! ashghari
Not personally but I caused and joyfully watched the pain of MF like you.
>> In each event, not the one who was on your "boom".
>>
>well sure not, ur tarafdars are not my type :)
U kidding pally!!! No wonder that your tarafdars are queers.
>arab ham hastam! big one!
pas nooshe jaan :-))))))))
>> Usually when I'm done (with the ones like you) I leave my kheshtak down
>> for a while for a second round.
>>
>or they wont late u take it up! if anything remains
>from the leftover of it!
I know U love it but: "ma sag koni ro kheyli vaght pish tark kardim".
>so seems u r bee pedaro madar! didnt i say!
being "bi pedar-o madar" like me is much better than being "haroomzadeh" like you.
Afterall you've never had "papi & mami".
>ur going to war losing ur hand is the reason why u
>hate them so much?
>if u didnt hate them u wouldnt insult others'
>parents.
Why are u so concerned about other people's parents? Oh, I see, it's because u've
never had one yourself. (daye delsooztar az madar :-)))
>u lost ur hand to war ? sorry but who gives a shit!
>some people died in war fort a good reason!
Yeah their good reason was to save the ass of S.O.B like you. It's the course of
nature. The descent guys die and jurks like u foo around and keep existing like
"Zaloo".
>i bet u shot ur hand just to have an excuse not to go
>to front line!
I bet you cut your "doodool" to prove you're not a man to fight in the war. That's O.K
afterall society needs also "Obneis" and doing a good job. Congratulations.
>btw gooz be shagheegheh cheh marboot asghari?
Intellectually you're too inferior to understant it's Marboot !!!
>ur excuses reminds me of those khAlibands
>who after 1357 used to lie that i was zendaniyeh
>siyAsi and got tortured etc...
At least they had a lie to tell. What about you? You got totally nothing to report.
>in hana hA vaseyeh sareh mA rang nadareh asghari
>ghoooghhooliol doleh
age sare rangi doost dari, mitoonim ye condome sabz bezanim saresh bedim khedmatetoon.
>get to know whom your talking to then open ur smelly
>mouth and throw some shit out of it!
Well, I'm talking to nobody. Assuming you're a zero (0 x 10000000....)
> now just cus u r handless and no1 gives a flying
>hoot to u
>and fati has left u , it doesnt mean u gotta take
>revenge from this poor computer
>and throw your oghdeh on sci!
It's all right if Fati left me. I'll find another one. What are U ganna do now that
youre beloved boyfriend Hashem has left you????!!!
>but too late for u get ur hand and brain back!
>now tell me how do you it youghourt?
I can tell you how I use vazelin :-)))) if you want.
>u migth be iranian but for sure u r a stupid one ansd
>a symbol of shame to iranians!
better being an stupid Iranian than being a kesafat Arab like you.
>next time ghooghooli u wanna arabdeh keshi , remember
>those arbadeh kesh from darvazeh ghAr
>at least had the gut to do it in front of person
>not behind a monitor!
arbadeh for you????!!! Give me break!! you're too "nachiz" for arbadeh. You shit in
your pants with a small "pekh".
>and they wont cry oh papi oh mamoi i lost my parents
>if not i wouldnt go to war and lost my hand!
>benAzam be logic!
:-))))))
>ashghari yepety i am a big time arab!
you bet.
> all the prostitue on the street would beat up any
>descent woman on the street
>thinking they r their type and are competing with
>them!
belive me pally, nobody can compete with you in prostitution. You're absolutely No.1
in that specialization area (I must admit).
>so now u think all are like u ?
>ashghari bA dast yA beedast hamoon kharee boodi ke
>hasti!
I knew you like Khar for his big one.
>> yeah, sarvareSH sya + vash
>
>googhooliyol doleh farsi balat nisti bepors
bebashghid, I meant: SIAH VAHSH (= Black Savage) :-)))))
You don't need to reply. Instead go to sleep with your Arab types.
No respect.
,, ,
Fact: Channel 2&7 is a Calgary based TV channel. It reported
the following fact:_
40% of 12 years old girls have had sex before the
age of 12. 60% of those (of the 40%) have had
anal sex.
I am sure that the situation (as usuall) is much worse (if we are
to use worse!) in the US.
These grils obviously want to have sex. We as parents might not
like it. We as adults might not approve of it. But the fact of
the matter, this is a natural action. As a muslim parent I would
not allow or let my daughter marry at the age of 12 (I will do my
dame best). However, it is not my place nor anybodies, to force ones
believes down anybodies throat. The key phrase is "natural behaviour".
Thus, the issue becomes personal. And not a legal matter. You can't
restraine 12 year grils from having sex if they are determined to do so.
A fact know to the vast majority of parents all over the world.
So the best we can do is try and regulate it. And please to don't
compare this to drugs because taking drags is not a natural behaviour.
The west, which has been sexually derprived for about 500 years during
their dark ages, exploded in the 19960's. They called it the sexual
revolution. They have massive problems with respect to teenage (teenage
include 12 year girls) pregnancies. They are unwilling to deal with the
problem. And thus it is draining them morally and financially. This sexual
derprivation compounded with the sexual bombardment of the media is
leading to a sexual explosion on the part of the teenagers. The
result of which:_
a) a large number of bastards (illegitimate children). And consequently,
a breakdown in morality in sociaty.
b) emotional breakdown in later years because they think they have
committed a crime against themselves. Rather than just their timing
was wrong. And wrong due to todays complex society.
c) It is estimated that the US pays something like 1 billion dollars
due to teenage pregnancies.
So please, think before you speak. It is better to think for your
self rather than have someone else think for you. Don't reject
good ideas, and realities simply because you have been brought up
to hate and hate and hate. Live and let live.
Hazim Mohaisen
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, rather than speak
and remove all doubt."
Amir Asghari
>Here is another post reflecting the paranoia and the defensiveness of the
>advocates of Islam. Saying that Nazis or Midaeval Christians committed
>atrocities is NOT a justification for the alleged inhumaneness of Islamic
>laws. How long does it take people to assimilate this point? It is slanderous,
>and unfair that the references to the Inquisition and the Holocaust are
>self-righteously thrown at anyone who dares to criticize Islam. I am sure the
>Holocaust and other such examples are as repugnant to Mr.Asghari as they are
>you the more-loyal-than-the-king Mr. Khayri.
>'Inhumane' is a subjective word. Mr.Asghari finds amputations and stonings,
>or Islamic divorce laws, or child-marriages and the like 'inhumane'. Apparently
>you don't, or you do and are trying to skirt around the issue by the time
>honored method of diversion.
>
>Mohammad Noorul Islam
Mohammad thanks for your reply. Although it seems useless to have
peaceful discussions about flaws and falacies in Islamic laws, I keep
trying to bring my message to the others. The fact that there are people
like yourself gives me hope that I 'm not alone.
Take care.
Dr. Amir Asghari
Dept. of Decision Sciences
The Unversity of Texas at Dallas
email: asg...@utdallas.edu
Nadia021
>Although, I'm not Islamic myself and critisize the inhumane Islamic laws,
>this planet. If Arabic parents offered you their childs for sex, at least
>they did it for money. What about American fathers and brothers fucking
>their own child and sisters for free (refer to incest statistics). (if
>you patronize other nations then this is your answer). Further for your
>information I'm neither Islamic nor Iraqi but your pride is your crimes
>in Vietnam and other countries. Right, great nation you are!!!! You
>wish!!!!
>
>
>No respect.
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with all this nonsense..I would just
like to make an observation..
The major reason statistics are so high in this country is because alot of
crimes are reported and information is gathered more accurately..
Most of these things go on all over the world, because such is human
nature, but nobody's around to collect this data and distribute it..
I know that in the middle east, Kuwait and Iran for example, child
molestation isn't even refered to using such 'bad bad' terms..they're
simply brought up in conversations as "the guy who was horny and played
around with the little boy" ha ha ha..
The problem is, even when they are reported, the authorities usually don't
do much about it..it's all a cause of embaressment for the family and
besides, Iranians all have a if-we-ignore-it-it'll-go-away attitude
towards most issues..(note what's going on Iran politically..most people
are unhappy, but everyone's hoping someone else would rescue them)
I'm not sure which is the better way..I know of such 'boys' now 20 years
later that are seemingly normal only because their society has viewed
those issues as almost comical and they even have a sense of humour about
it themself..
Maybe it's not a good idea to have them made such household words in this
country because even though they're heard often enough to give the
molestors the illusion that people with their similar sickness are
everywhere and maybe they're not so alone afterall, but also has a
profound impact on the victims and makes the experience more horrifying
for them..it is true that it is appalling, but how's any of that going to
change human nature?
Nadia
Only presidents, royalty, and people with tapeworms have the right to use
the editorial "we." --Mark Twain
Haidar Mahdi
> Haidar,
>
> What Amir wrote is the truth but your prejudice has blinded you
> and all you are doing is ignoring the facts about islam.
> Islam has no respect for women and that is an undeniable truth.
Wrong, all my relatives and family who are believers in the Islamic faith
and the one and only God, subhana wa ta'ala, do have respect for women.
Their ideas and actions are shaped by their religion.
By the way, what is your gain on attacking Islam? What are you getting
from it? Why don't you just believe in what you choose to believe? You
don't see me attacking your religion, (whatever it may be, if you believe
in religion or not).
Haidar Mahdi
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
Ashraf Abu-Abdou
Scott <bir...@eng.derby.ac.uk> wrote:
>Islamic law humane?
Yes
>A woman's word is worth only half that of a man's in an Islamic court?
It depends on the type of testimony
>A Muslim wife is not allowed to refuse her husband sex unless pregnant or
>menstruating?
No, she is allowed to refuse sex
- as if her body was not her own!
her body is her own
>Tyranny begins at home.....
Yes, and it can begins where people don't know what they are talking about
Ashraf
Ed Fowler
>In article <4f8b48$a...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>,
>Fatima Ibrahim Al-Shirawi <fa...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Now *that* is a great name!
>
>-Sheldon
>
Ed
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women sex either - it works both ways....check your source!!!
Naheed Parveen Mohammed
Naheed Parveen Mohammed
Seyed Abdolreza Ebrahimi-Sabet
>
> .
> .. |
> __W_\ q O |_,__W _' | >
> (_) ) (_s
> .. ..
>
> >> syavash <sya...@host.edu> wrote:
>
> >havent u seen any soccer game?
> >i guess not! ur work schedule gotta be very busy!
>
> Yeah, my schedule is full of activities like "kam kardane roye bacheh mozalef hayi
> mesle to".
>
if in ur brain, insulting people is roo kam kardan
(oonam az poshteh monitor)
yeah u r taking the first place after the other one
left!
> >roo kon bebinom harf baseh!
>
> age roo konam ke vahshat mikoni !!!
>
ok tow roo kon bezar ma vahshat konim
>
> >> >i wanna know howe do you go to AftAbeh?
> >>
> >> All right, I got you. You really like Aftabeh for its "dasteh".
> >> Well, some like it hot!!! That's all I can say.
> >>
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >now u r in contradiction with urself ashghari
>
> u're right. I made a mistake. Actually u like "luleh aftabeh" better. its easier to
> "shaf" it in your mother's ...
>
again it shows you have how much guts,
how respectful you are and how much
you care for your own p[arents!
> > seems u have experienced lots of pain! ashghari
>
> Not personally but I caused and joyfully watched the pain of MF like you.
>
well i guess you have never had experienced joy then
and never will !
> >> In each event, not the one who was on your "boom".
> >>
> >well sure not, ur tarafdars are not my type :)
>
> U kidding pally!!! No wonder that your tarafdars are queers.
>
agaib kafar hamera be kheish kheish binad!
>
> >arab ham hastam! big one!
>
> pas nooshe jaan :-))))))))
>
chee as koja meedooni khoshmazas?
tell us about it!
> >> Usually when I'm done (with the ones like you) I leave my kheshtak down
> >> for a while for a second round.
> >>
> >or they wont late u take it up! if anything remains
> >from the leftover of it!
>
> I know U love it but: "ma sag koni ro kheyli vaght pish tark kardim".
>
now you confess that! whatelse?
now we see why u r refugeed to your computer!
even in usa animal abuse is illegal!
> >so seems u r bee pedaro madar! didnt i say!
>
> being "bi pedar-o madar" like me is much better than being "haroomzadeh" like you.
well as i said, you are proving what type you are!
> Afterall you've never had "papi & mami".
>
no i never had! papi and mami are jusat your types!
> >ur going to war losing ur hand is the reason why u
> >hate them so much?
> >if u didnt hate them u wouldnt insult others'
> >parents.
>
> Why are u so concerned about other people's parents? Oh, I see, it's because u've
> never had one yourself. (daye delsooztar az madar :-)))
>
na boz bozi, just cus if some1 has something and
respect it
wont insult other's.
> >u lost ur hand to war ? sorry but who gives a shit!
> >some people died in war fort a good reason!
>
> Yeah their good reason was to save the ass of S.O.B like you. It's the course of
> nature. The descent guys die and jurks like u foo around and keep existing like
> "Zaloo".
>
ghooghoolie
you mean you served in war?
which rasteh?
when?
what time?
let see who is khAliband ok?
i just read your garbage under this subject
and how you are insulting islam!
which side in the war were you?
i challenge you to just mention a name
of a place that you served in war!
heyvooniyayee meseh tow faghat baladand
az poshteh computer fohsh bedan
hamoonAyeean ke ba sedAy yeh gooleh pareedan az marz
dar raftan!
bee khiAl khAli bandi! at least go lie to those
who were not in iran during the war!
> >i bet u shot ur hand just to have an excuse not to go
> >to front line!
>
> I bet you cut your "doodool" to prove you're not a man to fight in the war. That's O.K
>
those who know me know who i am!
btw i didnt mention i was! you are just lieing you
were!
so now show us you are right!
> afterall society needs also "Obneis" and doing a good job. Congratulations.
>
well see you are hopless even to become expert in
your famous activity!
asghari joon
i tell you ghooghhooli
insulting people behind computer
is not breaking shAkh ghool,
if you are man enough
at least tell these in front of people faces!
> >btw gooz be shagheegheh cheh marboot asghari?
>
> Intellectually you're too inferior to understant it's Marboot !!!
>
yeah
i know!
ghooghhoolie nobody gives a shit to your lies!
> >ur excuses reminds me of those khAlibands
> >who after 1357 used to lie that i was zendaniyeh
> >siyAsi and got tortured etc...
>
> At least they had a lie to tell. What about you? You got totally nothing to report.
>
well i got you here didnt i !
> >in hana hA vaseyeh sareh mA rang nadareh asghari
> >ghoooghhooliol doleh
>
> age sare rangi doost dari, mitoonim ye condome sabz bezanim saresh bedim khedmatetoon.
>
nA mard dAst nadan!
> >get to know whom your talking to then open ur smelly
> >mouth and throw some shit out of it!
>
> Well, I'm talking to nobody. Assuming you're a zero (0 x 10000000....)
>
ddont assume cus you make an ass out of urself!
> > now just cus u r handless and no1 gives a flying
> >hoot to u
> >and fati has left u , it doesnt mean u gotta take
> >revenge from this poor computer
> >and throw your oghdeh on sci!
>
> It's all right if Fati left me. I'll find another one. What are U ganna do now that
> youre beloved boyfriend Hashem has left you????!!!
>
well maloomeh hAshem ham velet kardeh pas!
> >but too late for u get ur hand and brain back!
> >now tell me how do you it youghourt?
>
> I can tell you how I use vazelin :-)))) if you want.
>
doesnt matter if i want or not!
harcheh delet tangat mikhahad begoo!
report us :)
> >u migth be iranian but for sure u r a stupid one ansd
> >a symbol of shame to iranians!
>
> better being an stupid Iranian than being a kesafat Arab like you.
well racism doesnt have any place here!
btw jujeh
you have arab's blood in ur vanes!
just look at your name!
your ancessors roots!
>
> >next time ghooghooli u wanna arabdeh keshi , remember
> >those arbadeh kesh from darvazeh ghAr
> >at least had the gut to do it in front of person
> >not behind a monitor!
>
> arbadeh for you????!!! Give me break!! you're too "nachiz" for arbadeh. You shit in
> your pants with a small "pekh".
>
yeah we will see ;-)
> >and they wont cry oh papi oh mamoi i lost my parents
> >if not i wouldnt go to war and lost my hand!
> >benAzam be logic!
>
> :-))))))
>
>
> >ashghari yepety i am a big time arab!
>
> you bet.
>
now you agree! what happened , it wasnt me i swear
;-)
> > all the prostitue on the street would beat up any
> >descent woman on the street
> >thinking they r their type and are competing with
> >them!
>
> belive me pally, nobody can compete with you in prostitution. You're absolutely No.1
> in that specialization area (I must admit).
>
he he mallomeh mano baragheebet avazi gerefti ;-)
> >so now u think all are like u ?
> >ashghari bA dast yA beedast hamoon kharee boodi ke
> >hasti!
>
> I knew you like Khar for his big one.
>
bazam daree khodetow low meedi :)
> >> yeah, sarvareSH sya + vash
> >
> >googhooliyol doleh farsi balat nisti bepors
>
> bebashghid, I meant: SIAH VAHSH (= Black Savage) :-)))))
>
khoda bebaksheh:)
he he maloomeh az black ha ham bad didi!
what did you to you these blacks in usa?
> You don't need to reply. Instead go to sleep with your Arab types.
>
he he engaree delet havaseh hashemo kardeh :)
> No respect.
he he you dont have one for sure!
Amir Asghari
>Wrong, all my relatives and family who are believers in the Islamic faith
>and the one and only God, subhana wa ta'ala, do have respect for women.
>Their ideas and actions are shaped by their religion.
>
>By the way, what is your gain on attacking Islam? What are you getting
>from it? Why don't you just believe in what you choose to believe? You
>don't see me attacking your religion, (whatever it may be, if you believe
>in religion or not).
>
>Haidar Mahdi
Dear Haidar:
I didn't attack Islam nor has been my intention to spread negative
propaganda about Islam. I reserve the freedom fro myself to ask
questions. If you don't know answer to my questions that doesn't mean
that the questions are negative or shouldn't be asked.
The matter of fact is that in some people's opinion (inclusing myself)
Islamic laws and values are not quite applicable to the modern age. Is it
a sin or crime to state this? If you or any other Islamic intellectual or
expert feels that I'm wrong and there exist sound answers to my critical
questions, you are more than welcome to participate in an open,
horrassment-free discussion environment to clarify and search for the
truth based on a dynamic thought process.
I have no doubt that your family exercise what you claim, but your family
is more an exception than rule.
Respect.
Dr. Amir Asghari
Dept. Decision Sciences
The University of Texas at Dallas
asg...@utdallas.edu
Amir Asghari
>With all the information you try to find against IslAm, you forget one very important thing.
>It is a statement that is found at the beginning of all suras in the >Qur'an except for one. "In the name of God (swt), the compass=
ionate, the >merciful"God (swt) is compassionate and merciful. Whatever you try to >brew up, always remember the above words. Comp=
assion. Mercy.
>Any malevolent acts that would be harmful to women are banned in IslAm. >All injustice is banned in IslAm. Whatever injustice you =
see today in >IslAmic society is the cause of human misinterpretation of the message >of Justice and
>Truth: Deen Eslami.
>
>Haidar Mahdi
Dear People:
I have by no means tried to insult Muslems's religion. I just asked
questions that through my studies have been changed to paradoxes to me. I
called on all Islamic intellectuals to find logical answers for the
questionable Islamic concepts and present them to the young generations.
I have no hostility against muslems but I reserve the right of
intellectual freedom for myself.
With respect.
Amir
Bijan Roozbeh
: bi...@phish.nether.net wrote:
: > Haidar,
: >
: > What Amir wrote is the truth but your prejudice has blinded you
: > and all you are doing is ignoring the facts about islam.
: > Islam has no respect for women and that is an undeniable truth.
: Wrong, all my relatives and family who are believers in the Islamic faith
: and the one and only God, subhana wa ta'ala, do have respect for women.
: Their ideas and actions are shaped by their religion.
All of your family and relatives? if so you have one lucky
family. You are denying facts that every one knows. Fact is that
women are treated very barberic and hardly any women is treated
fair in any islamic society.
: By the way, what is your gain on attacking Islam? What are you getting
: from it? Why don't you just believe in what you choose to believe? You
: don't see me attacking your religion, (whatever it may be, if you believe
: in religion or not).
I was born in Iran and my mother and sisters still live in Iran
and we were moslems and had to put up with the reatcionary and
backward religion of Islam. Your religon is an opperasive and
unfair religion which is ruinning the rights of millions of
humans. The injustice that Islam is doing to women and others
including my family must be stopped and that is my gain.
If you can't see these injustices then you must be blind by
your prejeduices and your lack of care for other human beings.
: Haidar Mahdi
: http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
Bijan.
SAMI ELKHAYRI
On 9 Feb 1996, Bijan Roozbeh wrote:
> : Wrong, all my relatives and family who are believers in the Islamic faith
> : and the one and only God, subhana wa ta'ala, do have respect for women.
> : Their ideas and actions are shaped by their religion.
>
> All of your family and relatives? if so you have one lucky
> family. You are denying facts that every one knows. Fact is that
> women are treated very barberic and hardly any women is treated
> fair in any islamic society.
>
Who is everyone? Women may be treated in a barbaric manner in SOME muslim
countries but that doesn't give you an indication of the teachings of
Islam. It's been said a million times, and yes I'll say it again, the
muslims do NOT represent Islam. Most of the time all muslims do is
tarnish ita image. So you can tell me that muslim women are treated badly
in the muslim countries, and I would believe you, but the realtion
between Islam and barbaric acts against women is not a causal one, not by
a long shot. In fact, if the muslims did follow Islam, which 99.99% of
them don't, barbaric acts against women would be unheard of.
Point: The Muslims don't represent Islam, you can talk about the muslims
(who are that by name only). Islam is totally innocent of their deeds.
>
> : By the way, what is your gain on attacking Islam? What are you getting
> : from it? Why don't you just believe in what you choose to believe? You
> : don't see me attacking your religion, (whatever it may be, if you believe
> : in religion or not).
>
> I was born in Iran and my mother and sisters still live in Iran
> and we were moslems and had to put up with the reatcionary and
> backward religion of Islam. Your religon is an opperasive and
> unfair religion which is ruinning the rights of millions of
> humans. The injustice that Islam is doing to women and others
> including my family must be stopped and that is my gain.
> If you can't see these injustices then you must be blind by
> your prejeduices and your lack of care for other human beings.
>
The Iranian regime is the worst thing that could happen to Islam. Neither
the so called "Ayatollah" Khomeini nor anyone in the Iranian present or past
governments represents Islam properly. And again I would imagine that a high
percentage of the Iranian practices that are attributed to Islam have
nothing whatsoever to do with the religion.
Salam,
Sami.
> Bijan.
>
>
Seyed Abdolreza Ebrahimi-Sabet
ki bood meegoft madrak az khar Adam misAzeh?
just read his articles you will find out
what i mean!
>
> Dept. of Decision Sciences
> The Unversity of Texas at Dallas
> email: asg...@utdallas.edu
Amir Asghari wrote:
>
> .
> .. |
> __W_\ q O |_,__W _' | >
> (_) ) (_s
> .. ..
>
> >> syavash <sya...@host.edu> wrote:
>
> >havent u seen any soccer game?
> >i guess not! ur work schedule gotta be very busy!
>
> Yeah, my schedule is full of activities like "kam kardane roye bacheh mozalef hayi
> mesle to".
>
> >roo kon bebinom harf baseh!
>
> age roo konam ke vahshat mikoni !!!
>
>
> >> >i wanna know howe do you go to AftAbeh?
> >>
> >> All right, I got you. You really like Aftabeh for its "dasteh".
> >> Well, some like it hot!!! That's all I can say.
> >>
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >now u r in contradiction with urself ashghari
>
> u're right. I made a mistake. Actually u like "luleh aftabeh" better. its easier to
> "shaf" it in your mother's ...
>
> > seems u have experienced lots of pain! ashghari
>
> Not personally but I caused and joyfully watched the pain of MF like you.
>
> >> In each event, not the one who was on your "boom".
> >>
> >well sure not, ur tarafdars are not my type :)
>
> U kidding pally!!! No wonder that your tarafdars are queers.
>
>
> >arab ham hastam! big one!
>
> pas nooshe jaan :-))))))))
>
> >> Usually when I'm done (with the ones like you) I leave my kheshtak down
> >> for a while for a second round.
> >>
> >or they wont late u take it up! if anything remains
> >from the leftover of it!
>
> I know U love it but: "ma sag koni ro kheyli vaght pish tark kardim".
>
> >so seems u r bee pedaro madar! didnt i say!
>
> being "bi pedar-o madar" like me is much better than being "haroomzadeh" like you.
> Afterall you've never had "papi & mami".
>
> >ur going to war losing ur hand is the reason why u
> >hate them so much?
> >if u didnt hate them u wouldnt insult others'
> >parents.
>
> Why are u so concerned about other people's parents? Oh, I see, it's because u've
> never had one yourself. (daye delsooztar az madar :-)))
>
> >u lost ur hand to war ? sorry but who gives a shit!
> >some people died in war fort a good reason!
>
> Yeah their good reason was to save the ass of S.O.B like you. It's the course of
> nature. The descent guys die and jurks like u foo around and keep existing like
> "Zaloo".
>
> >i bet u shot ur hand just to have an excuse not to go
> >to front line!
>
> I bet you cut your "doodool" to prove you're not a man to fight in the war. That's O.K
>
> afterall society needs also "Obneis" and doing a good job. Congratulations.
>
> >btw gooz be shagheegheh cheh marboot asghari?
>
> Intellectually you're too inferior to understant it's Marboot !!!
>
> >ur excuses reminds me of those khAlibands
> >who after 1357 used to lie that i was zendaniyeh
> >siyAsi and got tortured etc...
>
> At least they had a lie to tell. What about you? You got totally nothing to report.
>
> >in hana hA vaseyeh sareh mA rang nadareh asghari
> >ghoooghhooliol doleh
>
> age sare rangi doost dari, mitoonim ye condome sabz bezanim saresh bedim khedmatetoon.
>
> >get to know whom your talking to then open ur smelly
> >mouth and throw some shit out of it!
>
> Well, I'm talking to nobody. Assuming you're a zero (0 x 10000000....)
>
> > now just cus u r handless and no1 gives a flying
> >hoot to u
> >and fati has left u , it doesnt mean u gotta take
> >revenge from this poor computer
> >and throw your oghdeh on sci!
>
> It's all right if Fati left me. I'll find another one. What are U ganna do now that
> youre beloved boyfriend Hashem has left you????!!!
>
> >but too late for u get ur hand and brain back!
> >now tell me how do you it youghourt?
>
> I can tell you how I use vazelin :-)))) if you want.
>
> >u migth be iranian but for sure u r a stupid one ansd
> >a symbol of shame to iranians!
>
> better being an stupid Iranian than being a kesafat Arab like you.
>
> >next time ghooghooli u wanna arabdeh keshi , remember
> >those arbadeh kesh from darvazeh ghAr
> >at least had the gut to do it in front of person
> >not behind a monitor!
>
> arbadeh for you????!!! Give me break!! you're too "nachiz" for arbadeh. You shit in
> your pants with a small "pekh".
>
> >and they wont cry oh papi oh mamoi i lost my parents
> >if not i wouldnt go to war and lost my hand!
> >benAzam be logic!
>
> :-))))))
>
>
> >ashghari yepety i am a big time arab!
>
> you bet.
>
> > all the prostitue on the street would beat up any
> >descent woman on the street
> >thinking they r their type and are competing with
> >them!
>
> belive me pally, nobody can compete with you in prostitution. You're absolutely No.1
> in that specialization area (I must admit).
>
> >so now u think all are like u ?
> >ashghari bA dast yA beedast hamoon kharee boodi ke
> >hasti!
>
> I knew you like Khar for his big one.
>
> >> yeah, sarvareSH sya + vash
> >
> >googhooliyol doleh farsi balat nisti bepors
>
> bebashghid, I meant: SIAH VAHSH (= Black Savage) :-)))))
>
> You don't need to reply. Instead go to sleep with your Arab types.
>
> No respect.
Mohammad Noorul Islam
[Deleted for brevity]
Ms. Nadia,
You have raised an interesting and legitimate point, and I tend to agree
with you that documentation of these 'crimes' is almost non-existent in
the countries that you mentioned. It is not even considered deviant in
many Arab countries.
Regards
Kambiz Iranpour
Nadia wrote :
>I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with all this nonsense..I would just
>like to make an observation..
>The major reason statistics are so high in this country is because alot of
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>crimes are reported and information is gathered more accurately..
>...........
It isn't all that true. Let me explain why. There is definitely a
difference between crime rates in NewYork, Bogota and let us say
Helsinki, Cairo or Tehran. There is definitely a difference
between crime rates today in
NewYork comparing to what it was during 50s. There are definitely
differences between the types of crime committed in one place
comparing to the types of crime committed in another place.
There are cultural parameters, historical parameters and many
other factors which play in and decide the types and the rates of
the crime. So the "major reason" has got to do with factors like
public attitudes, family values, traditions, consumerism, unemployment,
the types of punishment, poverty and many other factors. Since
these factors are different in different
places, so are the realities in each place. I am sure that you
can with difficulty find a drunk person on the streets of Tehran
fighting openly. Well, the reasons are obvious and this hasn't got to do
with the access to the right kind of the statistics. It is just
the realities on the ground there. Because of that, exactly the types
of "crime committed by drunk persons on the open streets" which
is responsible for 90% of fights in Oslo don't happen in Tehran.
There are also certainly some types of crime which happen more often
in Tehran than in for example Helsinki or in Oslo.
Best regards
Kambiz Iranpour
Haidar Mahdi
>
> Haidar Mahdi <ht...@faraday.clas.virginia.edu> wrote:
>
> >With all the information you try to find against IslAm, you forget one very important thing.
>
> >It is a statement that is found at the beginning of all suras in the
>merciful"God (
> >Any malevolent acts that would be harmful to women are banned in IslAm. >All injustice is banned in IslAm. Whatever injustice you see
today in >IslAmic socie
> >Truth: Deen Eslami.
> >
> >Haidar Mahdi
>
> Dear People:
>
> I have by no means tried to insult Muslems's religion. I just asked
> questions that through my studies have been changed to paradoxes to me. I
> called on all Islamic intellectuals to find logical answers for the
> questionable Islamic concepts and present them to the young generations.
>
> I have no hostility against muslems but I reserve the right of
> intellectual freedom for myself.
>
> With respect.
>
> Amir
You have the right to intellectual freedom. If you have Islamic
questions, post them to soc.religion.islam, there are many knowledgeable
individuals on there and I'm sure they would be able to answer your
questions much better than in a cultural newsgroup.
Haidar Mahdi
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
Ashraf Abu-Abdou
>Haidar Mahdi (ht...@faraday.clas.virginia.edu) wrote:
>: Amir Asghari wrote:
>: >
>: > >Shall we have some proof of this?
>: > >
>: >
>: > Sure we can.
>: >
>
>
>: Haidar Mahdi
>
>
>What Amir wrote is the truth but your prejudice has blinded you
>and all you are doing is ignoring the facts about islam.
>Islam has no respect for women and that is an undeniable truth.
undeniable truth in your empty mind
Ashraf
Nadia021
>It isn't all that true. Let me explain why. There is definitely a
>difference between crime rates in NewYork, Bogota and let us say
>Helsinki, Cairo or Tehran. There is definitely a difference
>between crime rates today in
>NewYork comparing to what it was during 50s. There are definitely
>differences between the types of crime committed in one place
>comparing to the types of crime committed in another place.
>There are cultural parameters, historical parameters and many
>other factors which play in and decide the types and the rates of
>the crime. So the "major reason" has got to do with factors like
>public attitudes, family values, traditions, consumerism, unemployment,
>the types of punishment, poverty and many other factors. Since
>these factors are different in different
>places, so are the realities in each place. I am sure that you
>can with difficulty find a drunk person on the streets of Tehran
>fighting openly. Well, the reasons are obvious and this hasn't got to do
>with the access to the right kind of the statistics. It is just
>the realities on the ground there. Because of that, exactly the types
>of "crime committed by drunk persons on the open streets" which
>is responsible for 90% of fights in Oslo don't happen in Tehran.
>There are also certainly some types of crime which happen more often
>in Tehran than in for example Helsinki or in Oslo.
>
In a way I agree with you, but it really has nothing to do with my
point..I think you took it out of context..my point was (and still is)
that it doesn't really matter where people have their drunken fights
(using your example) because whether they have it in the streets or at
home, those same types of people are still gonna drunk and abuse their
wives at home for example, rather than with a stranger outside..
All I'm saying is you can't really change human nature..it might show up
differently in different countries only because of various numerous
factors..(I agree with you there) but statistically (reality wise) the
same number of people actually get drunk..therefore I don't really believe
in American this and Iranian that..although I do think we can generalize
up to a point (eventhough these days it's not very politically correct)
just because this country has a higher statistics level, it doesn't mean
that the same percentage of citizens in other countries do not have the
same urges..they either don't act on those urges, or they're just never
revealed outside of the family.
SAMI ELKHAYRI
On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Info wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960206173807.6905A-100000@obelix>,
> elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca says...
>
> >Excuse me! Inhumane?! Allow me to remind you of the Spanish Inquisition,
> >Nazi Germany, the whole relation between protestantism and catholicism
> in
> >England, the Serb war crimes.
> >
> >The Islamic laws are far from inhumane. It was the Muslims who took in
> >the Jews when the Christians in Spain were slaughtering them. I am a
>
> If you're just saying that Islamic laws should not be labelled as inhuman
> since there were worse inhumanities along history, then you're basically
> admitting it.
I am not admitting anything, because there's nothing to admit.
> However, would you like me to list to you the massacres Christians in
> Egypt, just for instance, were subject to since the Arabic *invasion* of
> Egypt and until today, not to mention the constant discrimination,
> humiliation, and opression? Would you like to discuss the status of
> non-muslims as tenth class citizens in muslim countries?
All that you are saying may well be true, although I am not saying it is.
Nevertheless, if non-muslims were treated like you claim, that doesn't
mean that is advocated in any way, shape or form bu Islam.
> Would you like
> to discuss the status of women as helpless and hopeless slaves?
I don't know any women who are helpless and hopeless slaves. I am a
muslim, and I should know. All the muslim women I know are their own
persons. They're nobody's slaves. I don't know in what kind of neighbourhood
you saw women being treated as slaves. Maybe somewhere here in North
America.
> It is the most bitter irony when muslims say that Islam came to give the
> woman her rights!!!!! of course, compared to pre-Islam condition in the
> horrible Arabic gulf -- may be now is better, since now the woman can be
> a living slave, as opposed to a burried one.
>
> And don't give me the B.S. of "non-muslims are well treated...", I WAS
> THERE, and I SUFFERED... seems the tormentor is the only one not to know
> about the victims suffering.
>
I never BS. What I say is what I honestly believe, which admittedly may
not be true, but that's not due to any malicious intent.
Now, Islam did come to give the woman her rights. But most muslims
practice Islam the way it suits their needs, and Islam is totally
innocent of them.
Just a note: Up here in Canada, women couldn't vote until the late
1920's, they weren't even cosidered persons (in a supposedly Christian
country). Now, I am not saying that Christianity advocates that either.
What's true of most muslims is true of most chistians: They are followers
of a religion by name only.
I am sorry about your suffering, and I would like you to know that I am
far from being the tormentor. Let me give an example. We wanted to set up
an Arabic radio show. The first thing that was suggested was to have the
Quran in the beginning. When I expressed my opposition, the person
proposing said "OK, Sami is Christian". I replied "No, I am a muslim, but
if you're going to have Quran, you must do something to address the
christian community. Having the Quran alone will alienate the christian
listeners." I don't think Islam would frown on what I did, but you can
bet that some muslims will call me an infidel.
> >And let me suggest that before passing judgement on any subject, at
> >least try to be well informed. A little knowledge IS a dangerous thing.
>
> It will be wonderful if you do that yourself.
>
It would be wonderful if we all do that.
Salam,
Sami.
>
>
>
SAMI ELKHAYRI
On 11 Feb 1996, Info wrote:
> >the sentance should end with..and muslim men aren't allowed to refuse
> >women sex either - it works both ways....check your source!!!
> >
> and Ashraf Abu Abdou says:
> >>A Muslim wife is not allowed to refuse her husband sex unless pregnant
> >>or >menstruating?
> >No, she is allowed to refuse sex
> Well here are two muslims saying different things, obviously one of them
> doesn't know what they're talking about. Frankly, it's you Ashraf.
>
You harbour a lot of hostility against the muslims. Go study Islam.
Don't tell us about your negative experiences. If you can show me one
verse in the Quran that instructs women to always indulge their husbands'
sexual advances, I'll admit my mistake. Good luck, I'm waiting.
> >Yes, and it can begins where people don't know what they are talking
> >about
>
> Exactly! but you shouldn't be the one saying it.
>
You are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Again, study
Islam before passing judgement. Or is your intention just to vent your
anger, and frustration? If so, there's no point in reponding to your posts.
Salam,
Sami.
tiina santala
> : >>For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
> : >>
Notice to the person who wrote that:
According to sharia to the girl sould be in puberty, (or older).
rgs tiina ayse
tiina santala
>
>
>
> >Islamic law humane?
> >A woman's word is worth only half that of a man's in an Islamic court?
> >Tyranny begins at home.....
>
> I wonder how an Islamic WOMEN FEELS
> about all this?????????????????
>
A tyran is a tyran be muslim or christian.
Rape within marriage was criminalized in Finland last year. I would
like to know if it is a crime according to the American laws - or
British?
Muslim women can divorce their husbands simply if they find the
marriage unhappy. I have to be a bit vulgar now, but according to
sharia (islamic law) there a dozen other legal reasons for divorce. e.g. wife
can seek divorce if her husband cannot satisty her in bed.
rgs. tiina ayse
Info
>
>the sentance should end with..and muslim men aren't allowed to refuse
>women sex either - it works both ways....check your source!!!
>
and Ashraf Abu Abdou says:
>>A Muslim wife is not allowed to refuse her husband sex unless pregnant
>>or >menstruating?
>No, she is allowed to refuse sex
Well here are two muslims saying different things, obviously one of them
doesn't know what they're talking about. Frankly, it's you Ashraf.
>Yes, and it can begins where people don't know what they are talking
Info
elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca says...
>Excuse me! Inhumane?! Allow me to remind you of the Spanish Inquisition,
>Nazi Germany, the whole relation between protestantism and catholicism
in
>England, the Serb war crimes.
>
>The Islamic laws are far from inhumane. It was the Muslims who took in
>the Jews when the Christians in Spain were slaughtering them. I am a
If you're just saying that Islamic laws should not be labelled as inhuman
since there were worse inhumanities along history, then you're basically
admitting it.
However, would you like me to list to you the massacres Christians in
Egypt, just for instance, were subject to since the Arabic *invasion* of
Egypt and until today, not to mention the constant discrimination,
humiliation, and opression? Would you like to discuss the status of
non-muslims as tenth class citizens in muslim countries? Would you like
to discuss the status of women as helpless and hopeless slaves?
It is the most bitter irony when muslims say that Islam came to give the
woman her rights!!!!! of course, compared to pre-Islam condition in the
horrible Arabic gulf -- may be now is better, since now the woman can be
a living slave, as opposed to a burried one.
And don't give me the B.S. of "non-muslims are well treated...", I WAS
THERE, and I SUFFERED... seems the tormentor is the only one not to know
about the victims suffering.
>And let me suggest that before passing judgement on any subject, at
>least try to be well informed. A little knowledge IS a dangerous thing.
It will be wonderful if you do that yourself.
paresh
Islam was in humane. The serbs kill and raped muslim women and man
because turks did the same thing when they invaded that area some
hundreads of years ago. It is pay back time for serbs. Islamic people
should understand that you and your grand children will be reponsible for
crime you will commit, even hundread years from now.
V. Fontana
not islamic or Arab. I lived in Tehran 21 years and in the heart of
downtown, among 70,000 Americans working there. I have never seen a
camel in my life, except in an American zoo. To whoever calls a Persian
"camel jockey", they better get it right, there is a big difference
between Persian and Arab. Why don't you get it down right before you
send any e-mail to this newsgroup. Stay the hell away from the computer
because you are ignorant of the 20th century! There is nothing wrong
with Persian or Arab, the only difference is the ignorance of the outsider.
Love ya'll brothers and sisters! Welcome to America, Land of
Opportunity, Freedom. To all ignorant people, find yourself a different
land -- I have a suggestion for you, the name of that land is HELL, and
you're living in it. Suffer forever for your ignorance.
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996 Reb@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 1996 05:50:49 GMT, Richard the Lionheart wrote:
>
> >On 30 Jan 1996 22:07:50 GMT, Amir Asghari <asg...@utdallas.edu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>heb...@iastate.edu (Ashraf Abu-Abdou) wrote:
> >>>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960129105352.130A-100000-100000-100000@obelix>,
> >>>SAMI ELKHAYRI <elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Az.... wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I am 18 she is 13!
> >>>>> She had sex with other guys before!
> >>>>> Her parents don't mind!
> >>>>> She is mature as a 18 year old!
> >>>>> I may be charged for rape!
> >>>>> I know girls who had children when 13!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What can one do?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Why did you have sex with a 13 year old if you are afraid of getting charged
> >>>with rape?..If this child was mature, she would not have sex at the age of
> >>>13 from the first place. Seeing an increasing number of children having
> >>>sex at this age is a real scary thought.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ashraf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Why? Mohammad married Aysha at age of 9 when he was 60.(Right! deny this
> >>
> >>as all other things).
> >>
> >>For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
> >>
> >>
> >>Fuck You and the Pig Fucking Bothers of Islam , we should have finished the job in Baghad,and killed or castrated you Child fucking ,Camel Jockeys then.
> >One Day Pal ,One Day.
> >Islam or the Child Molester MoHammed isn't going to save any of you.
> >Christians Have Jihaads too.
> >
> Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
> maybe 4yrs in Egypt, and if any civilisation is perverteted the sick
> fuckers are.
> I have had 8-13 yr olds offered to me for sex (male & Female) by the
> parents,I could have done anything to those kids for a few
> dollars,compliments of the parents and the laws of Islam, makes you
> feeel good dosen't it ,to think that they feel they should come to the
> US,and be equal to you.
>
>
Sheraz Shere
>Don't tell us about your negative experiences. If you can show me one
>verse in the Quran that instructs women to always indulge their husbands'
>sexual advances, I'll admit my mistake. Good luck, I'm waiting.
>
2:224. Your wives are a sort of tilth for you; so approach your tilth when and
as you like and send
ahead some good for yourselves; and fear ALLAH and know that you shall meet
HIM; and bear good
tidings to those who believe.
Haidar Mahdi
> family. You are denying facts that every one knows. Fact is that
> women are treated very barberic and hardly any women is treated
> fair in any islamic society.
Hardly any women? I do not understand your broad ever-encompassing
generalizations about religion and Islamic society. You think religion is
the only factor in what shaped that the region of the world who's residents
adhere to the religion of Islam? Many more things shaped your society, Islam
was one of them.
> I was born in Iran and my mother and sisters still live in Iran
> and we were moslems and had to put up with the reatcionary and
> backward religion of Islam.
Explain what you mean by backward? You explain nothing here, you simply make
accusations against Islam.
> Your religon is an opperasive and
> unfair religion which is ruinning the rights of millions of
> humans.
Generalization. NO fact.
> The injustice that Islam is doing to women and others
> including my family must be stopped and that is my gain.
Yes, all 1.2 billion of us will become Zoroastrians, Baha'is, Christians,
Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, and others. That would solve all of our
problems. Everything would be lovely after that, wouldn't it?
> If you can't see these injustices then you must be blind by
> your prejeduices and your lack of care for other human beings.
What injustices? You don't list any injustices! You simply point out that
there are injustices.
> Bijan.
Haidar Mahdi
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
MINDS
: Hardly any women? I do not understand your broad ever-encompassing
: generalizations about religion and Islamic society. You think religion is
: the only factor in what shaped that the region of the world who's residents
: adhere to the religion of Islam? Many more things shaped your society, Islam
: was one of them.
<stuff deleted>
: Haidar Mahdi
: http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~hta4x
haider there are two groups, sca and sci. now the sci posters will
continuously exagerate and exagerate until it comes down to the following
well used paraphrases:
1. islam never gave any rights to anyone
2. islam abuses all women never mind just muslim women
3. islam is an arab ass-kissers religion
4. islam never did anything good for anyone
5. islam is the religion of barbarians
6. islam encourages rape of women
on the other hand you don't see this kind of wretched diatribe coming
from the other newgroup. this tells you something doesn't it? so don't
post anymore on this subject tell the people to read soc.religion.islam
(which they will not do) and try to get some reasoned knowledge (which
once again, they won't do)...
zafar
SAMI ELKHAYRI
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I'm in a hurry to get things done
I'm rushin' rushin' 'til life's no fun
All I really gotta do is live and die
But I'm in a hurry and don't know why
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I have checked this out and it has absolutely no relation to your
translation. Maybe somebody else can be the judge.
Salam,
Sami.
tiina santala
>
> That's a very strong statement. Does it include stoning woment to death for
> adultery?
According to the Quran stoning is not the punishment for adultery (flogging is).
Read Bible, what does it say about adultery. e.g 3Moses 20:10 or 5Moses 22:22
Stoning is mentioned in The Bible, not in The Quran.
rgs. tiina ayse
tiina santala
>
> >
> >>For your information, there is no age limit for sex with women in Islam.
> >>
Obviously you dont know sharia - or Quran at all. I sick of fighting
ignorance.
>Well Rich I have to agree with you ,I spent some 5yrs in Iraq,and
> maybe 4yrs in Egypt, and if any civilisation is perverteted the sick
> fuckers are.
> I have had 8-13 yr olds offered to me for sex (male & Female) by the
> parents,I could have done anything to those kids for a few
> dollars,compliments of the parents and the laws of Islam, makes you
> feeel good dosen't it ,to think that they feel they should come to the
> US,and be equal to you.
Simple law: demand creates supply. Some men are sick.
rgs tiina ayse
%FNAME%
>well kafar hameh ra be kish kheish binad!
>if in ur brain, insulting people is roo kam kardan
>(oonam az poshteh monitor)
>yeah u r taking the first place after the other one
>left!
>ok tow roo kon bezar ma vahshat konim
>again it shows you have how much guts,
>how respectful you are and how much
>you care for your own p[arents!
>well i guess you have never had experienced joy then
>and never will !
>chee as koja meedooni khoshmazas?
>tell us about it!
>now you confess that! whatelse?
>now we see why u r refugeed to your computer!
>even in usa animal abuse is illegal!
>well as i said, you are proving what type you are!
>no i never had! papi and mami are jusat your types!
>na boz bozi, just cus if some1 has something and
>respect it
>wont insult other's.
>ghooghoolie
>you mean you served in war?
>which rasteh?
>when?
>what time?
>let see who is khAliband ok?
>i just read your garbage under this subject
>and how you are insulting islam!
>which side in the war were you?
>i challenge you to just mention a name
>of a place that you served in war!
>heyvooniyayee meseh tow faghat baladand
>az poshteh computer fohsh bedan
>hamoonAyeean ke ba sedAy yeh gooleh pareedan az marz
>dar raftan!
>bee khiAl khAli bandi! at least go lie to those
>who were not in iran during the war!
>those who know me know who i am!
>btw i didnt mention i was! you are just lieing you
>were!
>so now show us you are right!
>well see you are hopless even to become expert in
>your famous activity!
>asghari joon
>i tell you ghooghhooli
>insulting people behind computer
>is not breaking shAkh ghool,
>if you are man enough
>at least tell these in front of people faces!
>yeah
>i know!
>ghooghhoolie nobody gives a shit to your lies!
>well i got you here didnt i !
>nA mard dAst nadan!
>ddont assume cus you make an ass out of urself!
>well maloomeh hAshem ham velet kardeh pas!
>doesnt matter if i want or not!
>harcheh delet tangat mikhahad begoo!
>report us :)
>well racism doesnt have any place here!
>btw jujeh
>you have arab's blood in ur vanes!
>just look at your name!
>your ancessors roots!
>yeah we will see ;-)
>now you agree! what happened , it wasnt me i swear
>;-)
>he he mallomeh mano baragheebet avazi gerefti ;-)
>bazam daree khodetow low meedi :)
>khoda bebaksheh:)
>he he maloomeh az black ha ham bad didi!
>what did you to you these blacks in usa?
>he he engaree delet havaseh hashemo kardeh :)
>he he you dont have one for sure!
Well, well, well. Look who we have here this time.
No body (specially myself) gives a f... about your garbage and yourself meaning
"har che mikhahad dele tangat begoo".
I have more important things to do namely make others aware of your criminal ancestors (refering
your Sayed title). Now my last message to you is just go and f... yourself and don't post
garbage so that other people can have some descent conversation. (who am I talking to???)
%FNAME%
>You harbour a lot of hostility against the muslims. Go study Islam.
>Don't tell us about your negative experiences. If you can show me one
>verse in the Quran that instructs women to always indulge their husbands'
>sexual advances, I'll admit my mistake. Good luck, I'm waiting.
>Sami.
O.K. Sami check this out:
Verse "An-Nesa" says explicitely that:"women must obey their husbands and let thier husbands
enjoy their bodies." Next the verse instructs men:"if your wives do not obey you, first talk to
them, if didn't work, avoid sex with them, if it also didn't work exercise finanacial sanction
and finally if nothing worked out divorce her."
It's very obvious that you're going to deny this but what can I say? Let independent folks open a
Qoran and read the "An-Nesa" verse and judge themselves.
Regards,
Amir
Info
elk...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca says...
>
>
>
>On 11 Feb 1996, Info wrote:
>
>> doesn't know what they're talking about. Frankly, it's you Ashraf.
>>
>Don't tell us about your negative experiences. If you can show me one
>verse in the Quran that instructs women to always indulge their husbands'
>sexual advances, I'll admit my mistake. Good luck, I'm waiting.
Well, my apologies for the angry tone. Let me ask you this, though,
different moslems have different interpretations of Islam on a given point,
how do you know that your version is the correct/more appropriate one???
I frankly can't quote verses to support my statement, BUT -- i can
confidently quote hunderds of authorities, whom i had to study, listen to
and read day and night everywhere in the media and at school where i grew
up. To list but a few points:
* If a woman denies her husband sexual relations she's immediately
considered as "nashez" <-- (that's an arabic word to which i ignore the
English equivalent), and is prosecuted under the law;
* A woman cannot leave her husband's house without his consent unless a
divorce is reached, if she does, an immediate court order brings her back by
force;
* A woman cannot divorce her husband, unless it's agreed pre-nuptially that
she can (al esma). However, no "honorable" man normally accepts such an
agreement, and it is a barely practised norm that you only hear about as a
joke in movies. Unlikewise, a man can divorce at any time, at his
convenience;
* A man is allowed, even advised, to *beat* his wife to "straighten" her up;
* A man can have more than one wife, obviously that doesn't work the other
way around;
* If a woman is cought cheating on her husband, the husband would be
justified by the law of the state for killing her "in defense of his
honour", again, doesn't go both ways;
* The woman cannot work, travel, or possess property without her husband's
consent (the husband can lawfully deny her any of the above);
* The husband can force his wife to wear religious clothing (hejab);
In short, a husband basically has total control in a marital relationship,
and the wife totally *belongs* to him. The above are existing laws of a
State, they are REAL, the laws are drawn directly from "al shariaa" (the
Islamic law), and are passed by El Mofty and the highest religious
authorities.
Anyone questioning the accuracy of the above is welcome to refer to the
relevant laws and sections of constitution (kanoon al ahwal al shakhceya),
for the State of Egypt.
Have I done my research homework satisfactorily? You can claim that some
common practices are alien to the true spirit of Islam, but whose version of
Islam is more authentic, yours or that of official authorities?
P.S. a common thing that happens in these debates is that someone picks on
one, usually unessential, point to water down a whole multi-point argument.
Am I to expect this to happen?
%FNAME%
>You have the right to intellectual freedom. If you have Islamic
>questions, post them to soc.religion.islam, there are many knowledgeable
>individuals on there and I'm sure they would be able to answer your
>questions much better than in a cultural newsgroup.
>Haidar Mahdi
Haidar:
Thankx for recognizing my individual freedom. But bad excuse to shift the responsibility of
thinking to others.The primary goal of our discussion is not to offend you, or insult your faith
and belief but just give you an impulse to think more dynamically.
Amir
%FNAME%
>undeniable truth in your empty mind
>
>Ashraf
>
Ashraf,
If you truly believe that people discussing about this matter ate empty mided then please just
resume yourself from the interaction and bothering yourself.
Thankx.
Amir