True Details Background Kenny McVay!!To Make One Puke!
Roger Alexander
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.revisionism,can.general
Subject: Re: Background info on Kenny McVay
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:01:40 +0100
THE MCVAY FILES
Compiled by Dr D. E. Michael,
CONTENTS
1. Introduction
2. Biodata
2.1 Biography
2.2 Family
2.3 Disability
2.4 Height
2.5 Tastes
2.6 Political affiliations
3. Contact details
3.3 Residential details
3.4 Office details
3.5 E-mail details
4. Financial/business details
4.1 Recent clients
4.2 Employment history
4.2.1 The official version (from Nizkor/McVay)
4.2.2 The unofficial version (from a Toronto newspaper)
4.3 Political funding
5. Negative information
5.1 Sexual sleaze
5.1.1 The Alice in Wonderland gaffe
5.1.2 The 'I fail to see harm' in child pornography gaffe
5.2 The 'anti-racist' who uses racial abuse
5.3 The man who gives advice on drug prices
5.4 The man who offered to kill his own father
5.5 The man who has a history of squabbles with other anti-revisionists
5.5.1 Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger
5.5.2 Sol Littman
5.5.3 Disagreement with unnamed supporters over management of Nizkor
5.5.4 Argument with Yale F. Edeiken, David 'Orac' Gorski and John Morris
regarding use of personal information about supporters of revisionists
5.6 Incompetent and deliberately misleading research
5.6.1. NetGuide errors
5.6.2 Misleading and out-of-context quotations
5.6.3 Plain incompetence - my biography
5.7 The Nizkor funding controversy
5.7.1 Nizkor's official position re. B'nai Brith Canada
5.7.2 The allegation re. B'nai Brith Canada
5.7.3. McVay's responses to the attacks
5.7.4 The San Antonio Fund
5.7.5 Ken Lewis's response to the attacks
5.6.7 Is Nizkor really just a Web site and not an organization?
5.8 Encouragement of denial-of-service attacks on opponents
6. Conclusion
Appendix - note on Usenet and Web citations
1. INTRODUCTION
The following dossier on Mr Kenneth McVay of Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada,
the 'director' of the Nizkor Project, has been compiled entirely from public
domain resources. Copious notes give sources for particular items of
information. All of the information is correct and easily verifiable as at
December 2002. It will obviously need to be updated from time to time. In
particular, Mr McVay is very adept at removing embarrassing information from Web
sites rather quickly, so use should be made of historical Internet archiving
resources such as the Internet Archive Wayback Machine
(http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html) to obtain information that has
been removed. The sources given here will need to be updated accordingly to keep
abreast of this. It will be observed that, with a very few exceptions, most of
the information results either from Usenet posts made by Mr McVay to the
Internet, or his own Web pages, or interviews that he has given to the press.
Why prepare a lengthy dossier on Mr McVay? There are several very good reasons.
(a) Mr McVay, as I shall demonstrate, deliberately misrepresents Nizkor's
financial and organizational affairs. It is right that this should be publicized
so that those who fund and do business with this gentleman know the sort of
person with whom they're becoming involved.
(b) Mr McVay's Nizkor Project purports to be an 'educational resource'. It
tries, inter alia, to sell to our schoolchildren a particular view of
revisionist historians and those who make common cause with such historians. I
am thus performing a public service in bringing to the notice of the wider
community some of the more controversial aspects of Mr McVay's life and work,
including his rather poor research, his somewhat sleazy financial associations,
the fact that he has been the subject of much criticism from his own side for
his unorthodox methods, his controversial views on such matters as drugs and
child pornography, and his avowed willingness to commit murder. The fact that he
is a liar also deserves note. If our children are to be 'taught' by men like Mr
McVay, they have every right to know such things about this 'teacher'. So do
their parents.
(c) Mr McVay specializes in collecting dirt on people and using it to smear
them. He is very adept, as will be shown below, at taking quotations out of
context, at giving only half of the story - at misleading. As children and
impressionable minds are the intended targets of his material it is right that
they and their guardians should know a little about the sort of person who is
providing it.
(d) I am a victim of one of Mr McVay's smear campaigns. Mr McVay has posted
many, many articles (often with identical wording) to Usenet accusing me of all
sorts of things of which I am quite innocent. He has even posted some of his
nonsense to local newsgroups in the areas in which he thinks I live - this can
only be intended to damage my good name and to cause harm to my family and to
me. I am not the only person who has had to endure this sort of hate campaign
from Mr McVay. One Mr William Grosvenor of Canada found his name and address
published on McVay's Nizkor Web site. Grosvenor was firebombed. Mr Scott
Bradbury also had his address and telephone number posted on Mr McVay's Web site
and was made the victim of a ferocious campaign of telephone harassment. The
civil law offers no protection when the perpetrator has limited financial
resources and the British police, political to the core, are worse than useless.
In compiling this dossier I am sending a message to Mr McVay that I have not
been intimidated into silence by him and that I will continue to expose him and
his dwindling band of supporters for the dishonest people that they are.
(e) Mr McVay publishes, on his Nizkor site, lengthy dossiers on people -
including myself. Some of us feel that this is an intrusion into our privacy -
particularly as some of the information is incorrect, defamatory, misleading
and/or negative and we are given little or no opportunity to correct it or to
place it in context. It is perhaps only fair that those who use this particular
technique for 'discouraging' debate about World War II history should be sent a
message that the compilation of dossiers is a game at which both sides can play.
I, at least, make a reasonable attempt to get my facts straight.
It is in this spirit of defiance that I proudly present The McVay Files.
D. E. Michael
December 2002
2. BIODATA
2.1 Biography
Born: Santa Clara, California, USA, 2 October 1940.1
Studied: computer science.2
Married: 19613 (subsequently divorced, apparently around 1986 - see below).
Moved: to British Columbia (with family and basset hound), 1967.4
Financial failure: He described what happened next in a Usenet post:5
Once upon a time, millions of salmon ago, I moved my family from a Yankee city
all the way up across the Canadian border and right there about 500 miles up the
arsehole of the world. At the time, I was convinced I had whatever it was it
took to be a pioneer - to hack a home out of the bush and raise my children
there. (I was wrong, but that's often been the case in my life, so I've gotten
used to it :-)) I wanted to buy my daughter a pony. All I had, mind you, to KEEP
a pony, was 160 acres of certified, mosquito-filled raw Canadian bush, but that
rarely prevented me from doing things like buying a horse for my critter, so of
course I bought her one - if anyone cares about that tail, try getting Lisa over
to rec.equestrian to chat, or ask her (politely) via email. I so enjoyed
watching Lisa with that horse that it wasn't long before I went out and bought
her another one - about the size of a small house. When Reality finally set in,
several horse stories later, I realized that there was no way on God's earth
that I could keep those horses, and I had to explain that to my daughter.
He gave more detail of the cause of his financial failure in an interview to The
Idler:6
In Canada with his schoolteacher wife, McVay set up a dedicated server to
connect Salmon farmers, which was used to track the price of fish food and
commodities. When the price of farm-raised fish plunged from $4.00 to $2.00 a
pound, many of his customers went belly-up. But McVay still had contracts to
provide computer service.
Started anti-revisionist work: 1991.7
Began Nizkor: January 1992.8
Awards:
A list of awards supposedly received by Ken McVay's Nizkor site may be found on
that site itself.9 More notable among McVay's awards are the Order of British
Columbia 1995 and the Media Human Rights Award, presented by B'nai Brith Canada,
in March 1996.10 He received an award from Eye magazine for his Nizkor site in
1999.11
Citizenship:
Retains Canadian and US dual citizenship.12 Obtained Canadian citizenship in
1973, 'partially in protest over the war in 'Nam, and partially to express my
thanks to Canada for providing me with training, health care, and a peaceful way
of life'.13
2.2 Family
Father: born 1915, died 1989 of cancer.14 Served in Army Intelligence in the
Pacific theater during WWII.15
Mother born: 1917.16 Built landing craft for Food Machinery Corporation.17
Parental vices: Ken's mother and father were both fond of Martinis.18
Brother: served in the US Marines.19
Marriage(s)
Ken was married to a schoolteacher in 1961,20 from whom he claims he was
divorced after 25 years of marriage (thus around 1986).21 However, he makes
Usenet references to a wife as late as 1992, which suggest that he might have
remarried.22
Descendants
He has four children and eight grandchildren.23 His children consist of three
girls and one boy.
Daughter 1
One daughter is Lisa Lambeth (formerly Lisa Graham). Lisa apparently divorced Mr
Graham24 to marry Mr Garry Lambeth (former e-mail address
gre...@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT])
and then split with Mr Lambeth.25 Lisa was the founder of a group called Parents
for Enforcing Regular Child Support (PERCS).26 Lisa appears to have been
involved in some way with a musician by the name of Dan Livingstone, and they
evidently shared an e-mail address, lisa...@home.com (now defunct). Lisa
appears to be involved in promotions work in the music industry. She works from:
Suite 46-855 Howard Avenue, Nanaimo BC, Canada V9R 5V4, tel. 250-753-4571
apparently for Stride Productions, where she is associated with one Nigel Mack.
Lisa's earlier e-mail addresses included: li...@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
Lisa's last known e-mail address was llam...@nanaimo.ark.com.
Lisa has two daughters: Chelsea, born 1982 (old e-mail address:
che...@oneb2.almanac.bdc.ca {DEFUNCT]), and another girl born 1987, both
apparently by Mr Graham. Chelsea has light brown hair and is interested in
horses, running and music.
Son
McVay has a son who served in the American Marines in the Gulf during Operation
Desert Storm in 1991.27 Specifically, he served in Marine 2nd. LAI Btn28 near
Khafji, Saudi Arabia.29
Prior to serving in the Marines, McVay's son had difficulty finding a job, being
rejected by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.30
After returning from the Gulf he worked for a short period in Portland before
returning to Canada,31 and in 1996 was serving in the US Army.32
In 1991 McVay's son had a Canadian wife and a daughter.33
In June 1996, McVay was to claim that his son was suffering from Gulf War
Syndrome.34, although evidently this was not so severe as to prevent him
remaining in the employ of the US Army as at November of the same year.35
Daughter 2
One of the other daughters was teaching in Portland in 1992.36
Daughter 3
The third daughter was living in Canada in 1992.37
It appears that some of McVay's children other than Lisa have also been
divorced.38
2.3 Disability
Ken now has permanent hearing loss and wears hearing aids.39 He is not in good
health, suffering from tendonitis and carpal tunnel syndrome.40
2.4 Height
6'3"41
2.5 Tastes42
Beer: Newcastle Brown Ale, Waterloo Dark, Ruddles County Ale
Cognac: Remy Martin Grand Champagne, Martel Cordon Bleu
Comedian: John Cleese
Comedy group: Monty Python's Flying Circus
Delis: Montreal: Schwartz's (likes their smoked meat platter). Toronto:
Wolfie's, 670 Sheppard Avenue W. (likes the corned beef sandwich).
Dog: Bassett hound
Pizza joints: Pasta la Vista, Winnipeg, Manitoba La Cantina, Hamilton, Ontario
Politician: Pierre Elliot Trudeau
Scifi: book Endor's Game (Orson Scott Card)
Sports cars: MGTD & BGT, Austin-Healy Sprite, Lotus 7 Mk IV
Stout: Guinness, daft preferred; Murphy's will do in a pinch
Wine (red): Australian Shiraz and Merlots, The Wolf Blass label, from Bilyara
Cellars
Wine (white) bletch
Music: blues, 'new country' music, Beethoven's Ninth Symphony
Motor sport.
2.6 Political affiliations
In 1996 Mr McVay claimed to be apolitical, stating that he had not voted since
1973.43 Nevertheless, he continues to claim Pierre Trudeau as his favourite
politician. He has also expressed admiration for America's Ross Perot 44
3 CONTACT DETAILS
3.1 Residential details:
995 Bowen Road, Apt. 3108, Nanaimo, British Columbia V9R 2A4, Canada. Same
telephone number as office (see below). (Correct at December 2002.)
(Note that on 8 May 1996 Edmonton Jewish Life (EJL) gave his home address as 1
North Morgan Cres., Port Alberni BC V9Y 6C1.45 As at December 2002, there was,
in fact, no number 1 on this particular street.)
3.2 Office details:
462-1150, North Terminal Avenue, Nanaimo BC, Canada V9S 5T8, tel. (250) 616
9431.
Also used the following toll-free number as of October 2002: 877-505-7761
The postal address he uses for this is:
PO Box 244, Station A, Nanaimo BC, Canada, V9R 5K9
His former office address (i.e. that of his consultancy company in the early
1990s, for example on 10 January 1990) was 1B Systems Management Ltd, 4B - 2520
Bowen Road, Nanaimo, BC V9T. It also operated from 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo,
British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA, tel. (604) 758-2499.
3.3 E-mail details
He has used various e-mail addresses including, inter alia:
kmc...@brobeck.com [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb [DEFUNCT]
kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
kmc...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
peri...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca {DEFUNCT]
kmc...@island.net [DEFUNCT]
niz...@derechos.org
kenm...@kenmcvay.com
kmc...@nizkor.org
sa...@toccatas.com
wpg...@kenmcvay.com
sup...@webposition.com
kmc...@vex.net
He has someone called Dawn handling his bookings for him.46 Whether this is his
partner, secretary or a volunteer is not clear. Her e-mail address is:
da...@nizkor.org <da...@nizkor.org>
4. FINANCIAL/BUSINESS DETAILS
Kenneth McVay is not, in fact, a full-time employee of Nizkor. Instead he works
as a freelance Internet marketing consultant. He calls himself Ken McVay
Consulting Group and is registered as self-employed.
4.1 Recent clients
These include:
1. Kiosk.ws 47 (telephone 1-819-682-3744). This is owned by Telco Advertising,
38 Belmont Drive, Aylmer, Quebec, Canada J9H 2M7 and run by Frank Therien, Joel
Therien, Jo-Ann Higgs, Olivier Bedard, Billy Neil and Ilona Innus.
2. First Place Software,48 2452 North Malang Road, Joplin, MO 64801, USA
(Telephone 1-417-781-3282)
3. Pro-List49 owned by OpportunitySeekers, PO, Box 1294, Bloomfield, New Jersey
07003, USA. The people behind this are Jim Vigilante and Robert Stemmer.
Telephone: (908) 313-4735.
4. Brobeck, Phleger & Harrison attorneys (multiple addresses - big international
law firm).50
5. Triple Your Money.51 This is owned by GlobalOne, PO Box 1126, Russellville AR
72811, USA. Phone: (479) 967-6335 Fax: (479) 967-7362
6. He also sells an online Internet marketing journal, Wired2Cash, available
from http://kenmcvay.com/.52 This appears to be associated with an organization
called NOAN Inc,53 34 Dale Park Drive, Courtice ON L1E 2Z4, Canada. (01-
905-433-2427)
4.2 Employment history
4.2.1 The official version (from Nizkor/McVay)
Marines: Ken purports to have been in the US marines.54 He claims to have left
the marines in or around 1963.55 He gives his reasons for leaving thus:56
I moved to Canada in 1967. I have an honorable discharge from the Corps, (1963),
but was active in the anti-war movement, and decided that moving to Canada was
preferable to continuing the painful process of watching the United States tear
itself apart over 'Nam.
The cynic might thus be forgiven for concluding that he appears to have fled to
avoid military action.
Provision of computer facilities: On arrival in Canada he provided computer
facilities for salmon farmers and others. This was unsuccessful.57
During the early 1990s he ran a computer consulting firm called 1B Systems
Management Limited,58
operating from 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA (604)
758-2499 and 4B - 2520 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, BC V9T.
Menial jobs after computer business failed:
While in British Columbia he had numerous menial jobs including seven years
doing construction and maintenance work in sawmills.59
In June 1992 he claimed to be living on less than $13,000 per year. 60
In May 1993 he claimed that he'd been laid off from a software support job in
May 1992.61
In 1994 he was working in a combined convenience store/gas station in British
Columbia.62
Nizkor and speaking By spring 1996 he had given up this job to work full time on
the Nizkor project.63
By 1996 he was earning a small sum of money (which he variously claims was
$1,200 per month and $1,500 per month) from speaking engagements (see funding
below).
In 1999 he was charging $750 per day (negotiable) for his speaking services.64
This asking fee remained the same in 2001.65
His schedule66 indicates that he had a fairly busy speaking schedule in 1999
(the very year when he purported to be in such dire financial difficulties that
he was contemplating selling Nizkor - see below). His schedule became markedly
less busy in 2000, disappeared altogether in 2001, but showed signs of renewed
life late in 2002.
Internet marketing consultancy
By 1999 he was earning his living as an Internet marketing consultant,67 his
home page claiming that 'he earns his living as a consultant, and travels
extensively. His client list includes Justice Canada and the Ontario Ministry of
the Attorney General.' Again, this was at the time when he was announcing to all
and sundry that Nizkor was in such dire straits financially that it was about to
close!
4.2.2 The unofficial version (from a Toronto newspaper)
Much of the above might be fronting something slightly more serious. It is
possible that Mr McVay might have police connections and might in fact be
working under cover in some way with the 'intelligence community'. The cat was
apparently let out of the bag by an article in the Toronto Star, dated 22 March
1999, which stated that Ken McVay was 'a member of the Vancouver police
department for 19 years'.68
Could this be the wrong Ken McVay? Not if one considers that Vancouver is just a
few miles from Nanaimo, and certainly not if one considers the text of the
article:
Speaker Ken McVay, a member of the Vancouver police department for 19 years,
said advocacy groups are also guilty of apathy in response to cyber-hate.'
In 1995, McVay came across an Edmonton man's Web site that targeted homosexuals.
After contacting a Toronto advocacy group in July, 1997, and a gay advocacy
group in the fall of 1997, McVay said he's still waiting for a response.
Silence welcomes hate crimes, he said.
"Unfortunately, hate is a marginalized issue", said McVay, stressing that a
collective powerful voice of millions opposing Internet hate is absent.
It should also be noted that McVay appears to have, or to have had, in 1991,
high-level connections with the American army.69
His father worked for US intelligence, thus McVay has well-established links to
the American intelligence network.70
'Thomas Schwann' has posted the following on McVay's alleged connection with the
'intelligence community':71
I took the liberty to look into the matter about a year
earlier.
=====
The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between
17 July 1996 and 19 August 1996. However, as of 19 August 1996 the
email address still worked. It was originally captured on 17 July
1996. It disppeared just prior to a 256 copy mailbomb from gryn.org
saying that it was false information. The owner of gryn.org, Alec
Grynspan, openly bragged about having been involved with the Mossad,
i.e. Israeli intelligence.
===
McVay, Ken (KM214)
1B Systems Management Limited
5-1601 Bowen Road
Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7
CA
(604) 758-2499
=====
and the finger function was disabled after the mailbomb. But note the
the difference between the company name, 1B, and the internet name
oneb as a number can not lead in an internet address.
Some time later I tried it again and finder was working again
and I got this information. The file date for the file on my disk is
12 April 1997.
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name server whois.nic.ddn.mil [note on the military nameserver]
results of
finger @oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Login Name TTY Idle When Where
emcc Ed McCrudden pts/11 Sat 16:21
ppp-130.isdn-3.ican.
rasmus Rasmus Lerdorf pts/1 24 Sat 16:49 jetpen.com
jim Jim Mercer pts/10 2:19 Sat 12:45
gecko.reptiles.org
dacole Dave Cole pts/5 1:30 Mon 17:10
graymatter:S.0
erichall Eric Hall *pts/6 1:39 Sat 07:37
cyber3.servtech.com
andrew Andrew Herdman pts/7 1:04 Fri 15:42
ghoul.uunet.ca
leslie Leslie pts/9 Sat 15:01
indy4.indy.net
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/15 14 Sat 15:51
dialin519:S.0
dacole Dave Cole pts/18 20: Fri 15:44
graymatter.net
dacole Dave Cole pts/17 1:47 Sat 02:43
graymatter:S.1
sjohns Stephen Johns pts/21 9:08 Tue 16:00
trt-on22-12:S.1
plaid Alex pts/3 7 Thu 14:43
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/24 14 Sat 17:03
dialin519:S.2
sjohns Stephen Johns pts/2 37 Sun 21:43
trt-on22-12:S.0
plaid Alex pts/25 19 Sat 14:42
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
mot Samantha Lerner pts/30 48 Sat 16:27 fozzy:S.2
mot Samantha Lerner *pts/20 53 Sat 13:05 fozzy:S.1
darcy D'Arcy J. M. Cain pts/23 4 Sat 15:30 druid.com
mot Samantha Lerner pts/19 51 Sat 13:04 fozzy:S.0
mot Samantha Lerner pts/31 1 Sat 14:47 fozzy:S.3
darcy D'Arcy J. M. Cain pts/34 Sat 15:36 druid.com
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/37 Sat 16:05
dialin519:S.1
mattp Matt Pounsett *pts/28 17: Wed 11:02
conundrum.com
plaid Alex pts/12 19 Sat 16:39
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
address book kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Login Name TTY Idle When Where
kmcvay Kenneth McVay OBC pts/12 <Mar 31 07:53>
[Note: There have been claims this is a different Ken McVay but a
search of the British Columbia website regarding the OBC, only one Ken
McVay is listed as having been made that award.]
[Note: When it was announced in alt.revisionism that finger was
operating again, it was shut off again within 24 hours. That puts a
direct connection between alt.revisionism and 1B Systems which was
nice of them to demonstrate in real time.]
Dejanews profile
AUTHOR PROFILE: kmc...@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA
There are currently no articles in our database for this
person.
[Note: While the server changes names from wimsey to alamanac, it is
still from 1B (oneb) Systems.
This may be due to one of the following reasons:
It's possible that their messages were cancelled;
This person has never posted to Usenet from this account;
This email address/account name is invalid.
=====
In preparing the message I tried it again. I get the response
that it is a valid record but no information on it.
Dejanews has author profiles
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&gt;Transcription: <A
HREF="<ahref="http://xp9.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca">http://xp9.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca</a>">kmcvay@<B>oneb</B>.almanac.bc.ca</A>
Note the last line, exclusive of html is
kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
[Note: nizkor was originally hosted on almanac.bc.ca]
And finally, someplace out there are the archives of Eye
Magazine, an interview of both McVay and McCarthy and it give McVay
email address as oneb systems.
We have McVay working for a US contractor with access being
hosted on MILNET. This is the original network encompassing DOD, CIA,
NSA and other defense related organizations and activities and their
contractors. Is 1B Systems a legitimate defense contractor? What is a
US defense contractor doing in Canada? What does 1B Management Systems
do for a living? Good luck in finding out as they are not listing on
any open source of DOD contractors.
If not a listed contractor then not DOD making it a black
operation. And if a black operation that leaves us with two
possibilities, CIA and NSA, or are there blacker than black
organizations? So for purposes of discussion CIA is a good as anything
to refer to as the contracting agency.
We have Nizkor originally hosted on a 1B Systems server. Now that
is either a criminal misappropriation of contract funds or
specifically provided for by the contract. There is nothing in between
in that regard. Perhaps it was criminal but as see that as late as
April 1997, McVay is still an employee of 1B Systems.
You will also note a curious lack of mention of such employment
on the various resumes McVay has fronted. At one people he covered his
early years at 1B Systems by claiming to have been a welfare cheat at
the time. Of what purpose a cover story?
What interests the CIA in this matter? Some matter of national
security. What possible national security interest is there for the US
in matters holocaustian? rather dealing with people questioning the
foundations of it?
Is it to cover up the facts of the IMT and US participation in
it? If the US government demonstrably did the IMT and since it has
continued preserving such nonsense for generations, then there are
conclusions to be drawn regarding the US government.
And if the government should become aware of all of the foreign
policy that has followed from it and that continuation becomes
untenable.
It is not so much the initial lie but compounding lie upon lie
regarding it. Fifty years of compouded lie upon lie, false policy upon
false policy.
So yes, the US government has a major interest in the continuation of these
stories without question as much as Israel is not more so.
Ken McVay eventually explicitly denied any connection with the intelligence
community (confusingly referring to himself in the third person initially):72
Mr. McVay has not had a connection with anyone's intelligence community,
although CSIS employees have come to at least one of my presentations... I
forget to ask them for a cheque, though... guess if I'm working for all these
spooks, least they could do is pay me, eh? Never have. Funny, that, me a
professional covert spook and all...
This denial, however, fails to account for the Toronto Star article that clearly
links McVay with the police, an account of his background that is totally at
odds with the account given in his interviews and on his Web sites.
4.3 Political funding
September 1994 his Fascism and Holocaust Archives received funds from
Vancouver-based Committee for Racial Justice.73
But money remains tight, and his aging equipment is consistently on the verge of
collapse."The whole system is in jeopardy--everything is at risk on a minute-to-
minute basis," he says. Last week, however, a group of Vancouver-based admirers
persuaded a local charity, the Committee for Racial Justice, to raise money for
McVay's Fascism and Holocaust Archives--and his one-man crusade may now become a
full-time job.
(It should be noted that McVay's pleas of poverty need to be seen in the context
of the fact that a few months earlier he'd announced that he was in the market
for a new car - a 'Camaro Z28 or TransAm GTA')74
Prior to October 1994 Professor Norman Swartz, Simon Fraser University,
organized a fund for him with the aid of the United Church.75
Despite continued claims of poverty, Mr McVay nevertheless felt himself in a
position to threaten, on 8 November 1995, to sue the administrators of IADFW.NET
for libel regarding material posted on their system to which he had taken
offence.76 As lawsuits for libel require some capital it appears that McVay was
either being less than frank about his true financial status when pleading
poverty or was being utterly dishonest in his threats to sue.
In 'spring' 1996, Canadian Business reported that 'McVay now devotes all of his
time to Nizkor. He earns $1,200 a month from speaking engagements and through
public support, including that of local Jewish groups. His ancient computer was
recently upgraded, thanks to a donation from a Christian businessman.'77 Thus
McVay, who was threatening expensive litigation, was putting it about that he
was on $1,200 per month and couldn't even afford to replace his computer without
the assistance of a benefactor!
However, on 8 May 1996, Edmonton Jewish Life gave a slightly different story:
'He lives on a modest monthly income of $1500, from a trust fund set up by some
wealthy people who've been very generous and mostly plain folk . . .'78
In 1996 his Canadian funds were being collected by The Zikaron Tolerance and
Remembrance Society 6540 East Hastings Street, Suite 221 Burnaby, BC V5B 4Z5 and
Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project 1461 Blanshard St. Victoria, BC V8W 2J3.
From September, his American funds were collected by the San Antonio Area
Foundation Nizkor Fund P.O. Box 120366 San Antonio, TX 78212-9566.79
In 1997 his Canadian Nizkor funds were being collected by the League for Human
Rights of B'nai Brith Canada.80
On 21 October 1999 the following article appeared in Canadian Jewish News:81
Anti-Holocaust denial Web site's future uncertain
By FRANCES KRAFT
Staff Reporter
TORONTO - An extensive educational Web site that has played a significant role
in debunking Holocaust denial faces a tenuous future, unless further funding is
secured.
Ken McVay, founder and director of the Nizkor Project (www.nizkor.org), said
last week he has sufficient funding to last only until January.
"Even though there has been some very strong support from a few very generous
people, it hasn't been enough," McVay, 59, said in a phone interview from his
home on Vancouver Island, B.C.
He is in the process of determining the site's commercial value, although he
said it is not currently for sale and he does not foresee shutting it down.
McVay has listed the site on www.GreatDomains.com with an "asking price" of
$500,000, based on the size of Nizkor and the amount of traffic it attracts.
The site receives about 9,000 hits a day, said McVay. It has grown from 27 pages
in 1995 to almost 5,000 pages, including the entire transcript of the trial of
Adolf Eichmann, he added.
McVay is proud to have those transcripts, the product of 18 months of
negotiation. "I know that the Holocaust deniers, who absolutely revile this site
and me, refuse to talk about the Eichmann trial. They can't lie about it now."
The job is never-ending, said McVay. Among his current projects, he is working
on making documentation from the Nuremburg trials available.
Although McVay says the years of devoting himself to Nizkor have left him weary,
his tone of voice - and the fact he recently spent four consecutive 20-hour days
on the project - belie his claim. "Of course I care," he asserted. "I never stop
caring. I don't know what I'd do without [Nizkor]. It's my life."
McVay believes that only a "small and very dedicated group of people" does
care.
He guesses that of the estimated 100 to 300 million Internet users in the
world, only about 100 are actively involved in fighting racism on the Net.
Nizkor began when McVay, a non-Jew with a long-standing interest in World War
II, encountered Holocaust denial on the Internet in the early 1990s. He was
angered by the bigotry he perceived.
"I'm still angry," he said. "It makes me angry that there are very few people in
the world who give a damn about this."
A native of Santa Clara, Calif., McVay grew up in a middle-class neighborhood
where, to the best of his knowledge, racism didn't exist. In high school, about
half his friends were not white. "We never thought about it," he said. "Maybe I
was just naive."
Although McVay had read extensively about World War II, he knew little about the
Holocaust per se. "I had just enough background to know that [Holocaust denial]
was crap, but I didn't have a clue why it was crap."
McVay made it his business - his obsession, actually - to learn the truth, and
show it to the rest of the world.
"That's the beauty of the Internet," he said. "Most people exposed to the venom
of Holocaust deniers do not have the time or resources to check the so-called
facts they provide." The Net, he noted, has given him access to prosecutors,
historians and community leaders who have provided Nizkor with testimony and
answers.
Over the years, McVay has developed a worldwide network of dozens of volunteers
to help him access, translate and post material.
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada administers the Nizkor Fund,
through which donations to support the Web site can be channeled.
However, the pleas of poverty appear to have worked again because the Nizkor
site did not collapse; indeed, it continued and the following year Ken
announced: 'Current statistics suggest that the sites will deliver over ten
million pages of text this year.'82
Two years later, in 2002, on an updated version of the same page, McVay
announced:
'Current statistics suggest that the sites will deliver over twelve million
pages of text this year.'
5. NEGATIVE INFORMATION
CAVEAT: Numerous allegations made against Ken McVay are, to put it bluntly,
false. There is no evidence that he is gay or a male prostitute, for example
(!). He makes a lot of enemies on the Internet and some have limited
intelligence. They respond to his smears by smearing him back but not
particularly competently. Some post forgeries in his name, which means that care
needs to be taken to distinguish genuine McVay posts from fakes, although this
is generally not too difficult and all of the material prior to about 1994
appears to be genuine. Nevertheless, Ken is not an honourable, moral , or a
particularly competent man, and he has made several easily verifiable gaffes in
his life. Some are hilarious. Others are rather sickening.
5.1 Sexual sleaze
5.1.1 The Alice in Wonderland gaffe
In 1990 Ken McVay really did post the following to the Usenet newsgroup
alt.sex:83
From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
Lines: 8
Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
This may be found in the Google archives. It was posted before Nizkor appeared
and before McVay had made any revisionist enemies, so it is certainly not a
fake. It appears, from online film reviews, that the uncut version of this Alice
in Wonderland film involves a 'youthful' adult actress depicting a child
engaging in certain indecent acts, including, inter alia, a '40-second BJ with
the mad hatter' [sic]. (Apparently a 'very fat, naked Humpty Dumpty' also
becomes involved in proceedings at some stage - we will leave our readers to
speculate for themselves how a man who would have been married with children at
the time came to be watching this sort of thing in 1983.)
It should be noted that current Canadian legislation outlaws the viewing of
child pornography, which it (Section 163.1 of the Criminal Code of Canada)
defines 'child pornography' thus:84
1.In this section, "child pornography" means
a.a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it
was made by electronic or mechanical means,
i.that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen
years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity,
or
ii.the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose,
of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen
years; or
b.any written material or visual representation that advocates or counsels
sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an
offence under this Act.
(my emphasis)
It should also be emphasized that we do not know whether the version of the film
viewed by Mr McVay in 1983 showed the scenes mentioned above in their entirety,
or whether they were cut in the version that he saw, or whether Ken McVay viewed
the film in its entirety, nor am I sufficiently familiar with Canadian law to
know what restrictions on child pornography were in force in Canada in 1983.
Certainly, McVay appears to have been sailing rather close to the wind.
It should be noted, for posterity, that the Alice in Wonderland post was not Mr
McVay's only contribution to alt.sex.85
5.1.2 The 'I fail to see harm' in child pornography gaffe
In an interview with The Ethical Spectacle, 1(6) June 1995, Ken McVay
inadvertently admitted to downloading photographs of naked children from the
Internet and expressed rather unconventional views about it:86
I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've
been on and around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, but then I've got
some of those in my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society).
There are many campaigners against the exploitation of children who might differ
somewhat with Mr McVay on this particular point.
5.2 The 'anti-racist' who uses racial abuse
Although Mr McVay is often described as an anti-racist campaigner and a
campaigner against 'hate speech', there are documented instances of him using
precisely the sort of racially abusive language against white people that would
get him a jail sentence under the Public Order Act 1986 if used against a black
person in the United Kingdom. Specifically, Mr McVay is rather fond of calling
his debating opponents 'white trash'.
Thus in 1999:
'Vangel's just more white trash walking... cannon fodder for the William
Pearce's of the world, so don't be too hard on him....'87
The following year, Mr McVay gave us this:88
Only the bravest, most Noble Aryan Heros have the courage required to intimidate
women and children, Sara... the generic white trash we usually find spouting
racist drivel don't have the balls for it... after all, if they were men, they
wouldn't do things like that.
And in November 2002, Mr McVay did it again:89
'He has one thing going for him. He's a perfect example of White trash.'
In the normal course of events I would regard such comments as unremarkable.
However, when an anti-racist campaigner uses racist language, I think I am quite
entitled to point out the hypocrisy therein. After all, if anti-racists do not
take their anti-racism seriously, why should anyone else?
5.3 The man who gives advice on drug prices
In 1993 a gentleman posted a message to Usenet asking 'What is the street price
of pot?' Mr McVay provided the following information in a Usenet post to
alt.drugs:90
What kind? In this neck of the woods, hydroponic Indica is commonly sold for
$400 an ounce - some folks call it "green heroin." At the same time, it is
undoubtedly possible to purchase the evil weed at half that price
Whether Mr McVay acquired that familiarity with drug prices through work for the
Vancouver Police or as a result of criminal behaviour is unclear.
5.4 Willingness to engage in murder
Ken McVay has admitted in a Usenet post that he offered to kill his own father,
who was dying of cancer, and would not hesitate to do the same for his mother.91
The last two months, when the disease really exploded, he was ashamed of his
condition, and degraded by his inability to control his bodily functions. During
this period, he often spoke of suicide, and I often offered to help him, if that
was what he really wanted . . . I understand the concerns expressed over this
issue - many of them are valid and serious - but I believe that there are many
cases where the issues are very clear, and absolutely supportive of assisted
suicide. I would not hesitate to provide that assistance for mom, regardless of
society's position.
Mr McVay has stated elsewhere his willingness to kill people:
I am not a "group," old son, I'm just someone who has lived most of his life
with a clear and unshakeable vision of what the nazis did to the world. Am I an
"extremist?" If you consider that I would not hesitate for an instant to make
good use of my double-barreled 12-gauge to blow some nazi prick to hell rather
than sit back and watch him burn a church to the ground while beating Jewish
folks to death in the process "extremist," then I plead guilty. There will be NO
"krystalnacht" in this neck of the woods.92
Hardly the sort of respect for the law that one would expect from a policeman,
but quite the sort of thing we have grown to expect from the CIA.
5.5 The man who has a history of squabbles with other anti-revisionists
5.5.1 Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger
Cecelia started off as a revisionist. She then became a very passionate
anti-revisionist and maintains an anti-revisionist Web site93 as well as an
anti-Ku Klux Klan site.94
She was always critical of Ken McVay and his colleagues. She described her
position in a long Usenet post dated 9 March 1994, an extract from which makes
it clear why she moved from revisionism to anti-revisionism and the nature of
her reservations about Ken McVay:95
. . begining in 1990, I have been going to certain, let's say "experts" and
"tireless workers" in the areas of Holocaust education and memorialization to
ask what I can do and where and how for precisely this end. And I got
pigeonholed. I guess that anybody who happens to have a long and strong
REVISIONIST background, who has come to the opinion that she made a mistake in
disbelieving in gas chambers, etc, had already in her own, decided to give it a
try at believing in them to decide on more solid grounds than mere "speculation"
that it was true, and was asking to learn more and do more, etc.
But since, to my back not to my face, I was "not to be trusted" (at least this
is what I assume), I was never given the chance to learn, interact, etc.
So I one day had myself another Rude Awakening upon reading something by Lucy
Dawidowicz in which she misquoted a primary source (a primary source that I was
very familiar with) so badly that she made it apprear that the source was saying
the OPPOSITE of what she protrayed. UH, people have been known to get their
tenures revoked for such things - even when the mistake was not intended - maybe
a little "academic unfairness", but that is the way it works - ask Herb
Needleman here at Pitt, the lead industry tried to "persecute" him by making it
look like he fudged research data, but thank goodness the lead industry lost. So
if that was an unintentional mistake of Dawidowicz's, then I forgive her for
throwing me right back into being what Deborah Lipstadt calls "a committed
denier".
Well, a little later, IN SPITE of the "expert" Holocaust educators and
memorializors, I learned some things from some of the Jewish Auschwitz survivors
that convinced me that there really WERE gas chambers, etc. Other Revisionists
do not have to agree with me on this, but I do hope they will respect my having
this as my own historical opiinion. I have no intentions of shoving this down
other people's throats.
But this is STILL not good enough for the "experts" and the Ken McVays and the
ADL people, etc, etc. I guess my "failure" to want to be thier little Ex-Denier
Poster Girl or my "failure" to give them the name and address of every "denier"
I know so that so-and-so can be added to thier crap-list or to "confirm" every
pre-conceived notion of thiers of what terrible NeoNaziAntiSemites "the deniers"
all are was why I was "not to be trusted" while another Revisionist, Jean-Claude
Pressac, who like me also came to the belief that there really WERE gas
chambers, etc, is put up on a pedestal because he wants to destroy, utterly
destroy all of the people who "are deniers" and to "confirm" every last
pre-conceived notion that Beate Klarsfeld and Shelly Shapiro's got - be those
notions consistent with his Revisionist experience or be they very inconsistant
with it.
On 23 March 1994, Cecelia wrote:96
Ken McVay, If you were posting things meant for me to respond to, and I have
been ignoring you, it is because you have been in my local kill file for the
past few months. I will take you back out in a few minites.
By 30 March 1994, her frustration at her lack of acceptance was growing
strong:97
I too need to morn[sic] and grieve the Holocaust in company of other Holocaust
BELIEVING people just like you big bad Holocaust Heros and Promoters do. But no,
I am forced to face it all alone because your prejudice and discrimination bids
you to "not trust me" (Hear Hear, Ed Overman!!!) or to assume that "I am up to
tricks." Or that I am crazy - my assurtions that all Revisionists are not (and
do not want to be, but are being driven towards it by YOU all) Jew-Haters - are
too far beyong the realm of your own personal constructs of reality to be true.
You therefore deem ME delusional instead of yourselves. I know how to get some
people OUT of "deep denial" (the Twelve Steppers, Anna Freud's, and my use of
the term, not Lipstadt's or the ADL's hateful and derisive usage, which the ADL
STOLE off of me after I wrote the ADL in 1990 "a lot of Revisionists are just
simply in denial, not seething anti-Semites." See how they have twisted my
intended usage of the term . . .
ALL I was doing was trying to PUT AN END TO REVISIONISM, you idiots, but you
could not accept MY personal testimony as to what happens and does not happen
"beyond its walls" - but of course if Ross or Gannon DARED to doubt the personal
testimony of Elie Wiesel or Mel Mermelstein, then they are evil, but MY personal
testimony can be scoffed at at will by you Heros.
On 18 May 1998, at which point our Cecelia was Cecelia Plechinger, McVay made a
somewhat dismissive remark about her. When asked whether he knew her, he
responded:98 'I have never met her, but know who you mean. Are you suggesting
that you are not a liar because she asserts I label liars as liars?'
A few days later, on 24 May 1998, came the now famous explosion from Cecelia:99
. . Ken, it is spelled "Cecelia" not "Cecilia." You and I go back to 1991,
before you founded Nizkor, Ken. You should know how to properly spell my name.
And I am part of the history of Nizkor, Ken, yet you pretend to have just barely
heard of me.
I sent you in materials and you used them, but did not credit me as the source.
These concerned much material on Willis Carto and some key information on Fred
Leuchter's patents, engineering ethics, chemistry (to refute Fred Leuchter's
claims) etc.
In fact, you ignored my material on Carto for many e-mails until one day, one of
them clicked something in you. *then* you posted a request to your
<hl...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> mailing list (to which I was one of the original
subscribers) which went defunct long before the founding of Nizkor asking for
info on Willis Carto. Then after a while longer, due in significant part, to the
info *I* sent you on Carto, you then made him a very big project of yours, the
topic of a whole long FAQ even.
The stuff on Leuchter's patents also received no ack from you. Yet, one day long
past, I was browsing the Jerusalem1 server in Israel and noticed there was a
section on Revisionism there. It was mainly or perhaps solely a mirror of your
pre-Nizkor anti-Revisionist website. I forget what you called it. THERE, under a
subdirectory on Leuchter, was verbatim my e-mail to you on Leuchter's patents.
But the header was stripped off. See, Ken, you saw value in this information,
but you did not see value in me as the source. It was only after I complained to
your webmaster, Jamie McCarthy, that you revised that page to include the
original headers of the msg. For other e-mail msgs I saw on the Jerusalem1
mirror such as ones from Danny Keren, you left the headers intact. But mine? Oh
well.
And the chemistry and physics material I sent you to refute Leuchter's claims,
you totally ignored, so I gave up sending you additional material. Yet, later,
the same information appeared in your site with a Brian Harmon being given great
accolades by you for providing it to you. Brian did indeed provide the info to
you at a later date than I did, but it was the same info I had offered to you.
From Brian, it was not only worth your repeating, but you also saw fit to give
im credit. Yes, his was in more detail, but I think when he sent in the initial
stuff, you encouraged him to send in more, so he did. I was not so fortunate to
get encouraged.
Oh, and medical information I sent you to refute specific claims of deniers you
also ignored.
One time, I and Jamie McCarthy sent you material together (the I obtained
alone). This was concerning what "Murungu" means in Shona (a southern African
Bantu language - an Internet National Socialist used the nickname of "Murungu"
so that was why I offered to Jamie an explanation of what this word means).
*This* you put on your Nizkor site. But the fact that Jamie was the one I
approached with the info instead of you made a difference.
Jamie eventually resigned from Nizkor. It was soon after that that
soc.culture.jewish.holocaust went dead. Jamie was doing the technical work for
you while you over-moderated the content. Without Jamie's technical help, you
could no longer run soc.culture.jewish.holocaust, so you let it lie fallow
rather than let some other moderator take over to keep it active.
Recently, soc.culture.jewish.holocaust came back to life. And guess what. It is
back under the care of one or more of the original founders -- that is, the
people who ran it out of a University of North Carolina server before they no
longer had time to devote to it (and when you then took it over).
Why, Ken, do you treat me like such dirt? I think it had a lot to do with the
fact that I want to empower and enable people while you want to dominate and
control. And the fact my learning style is to get varied info from a variety of
sources rather than just mindlessly learn from just one (and one on your exact
wavelenght) has also a lot to do with it. And the fact that I do not want to bit
the head off of every Revisionist I meet or see has much to do with it too.
My approach is far different than yours. I seek to understand and elucidate
while you seek to punish and reek revenge. I seek to prevent future Revisionism
before it starts by elucidating *why* people become Revs in the first place and
providing viable alternatives to satisfy the same needs such people seek and
find in Revisionism. You, by contrast, seek to hunt them down, "expose" them,
discredit them and equate each and every one of them with hard-core Jew-haters.
I seek to humanize whilst you seek to dehumanize them.
Oh, and the fact that I know what Revisionism is (and is *not*) from the *inside
out* instead of from the outside letting my prejudices dictate to me what is
inside --- that has a lot to do with it too.
I was potentially a very valuable resource to you, Ken. But you did not want
elucidation and alternatives and causes of Rev that do not fit your preconceived
notions.
(According to you, each and every person who becomes a Rev does so out of evil
motives, specifically, Jew-hating motives -- but I posited motives like trying
to find relief from a Shoah that is too hard to bear and further posited that
Germans both American-born and European-born are at much greater risk to become
Rev's due to a need to seek shelter from the guilt -- guilt which is big enought
as it is, but gets amplified further by anti-German bigots. THIS vital info YOU
did not want to HEAR.)
If I had offered to name you names of all the in-the-closet Revs I knew and to
give you private personal information on the publicly-Revisionist people I know
(I mean information they would want kept private), maybe then you would have
seen me as a valuable resource, Ken. But this too is not my style. I would
relate other Revisionist's experiences to you but with all identifying
information expunged. You did not like that Ken. Names, addresses, employers you
would have wanted. Traumatic anti-German childhood and young adult experiences
you did not want.
Along the same lines, you once put out a call for any information anybody knows
about Arthur Butz (a Revisionist who is also an engineering prof). I offered you
lots of info about what he has done engineering-wise and professor-wise. I also
has publicly-available family background info to submit once I saw how you
responded to the engineering and professor info. But you just e-mailed me back
with a rude letter saying you are not interested in the engineering aspects of
Butz. See, Ken, you only wanted DIRT on Butz. You did not want NORMAL
information that is essential for a full and complete understanding of Arthur
Robert Butz.
Interestingly enough, I later read Deborah Lipstadt's chapter on Butz in her
_Denying the Holocaust_. Some of it was *wrong.* The correct info was in the
stuff I sent you and you pooh-poohed and in the stuff I was waiting to send you,
but did not. Seems like Lipstadt would have been interested in seeing the stuff
*before* her book went to press -- it would have saved her errors.
Have you been in contact with Lipstadt as she as still working on _Denying the
Holocaust_, Ken? See now how you could have received all the info I had on Butz
(not just the dirt) and then alerted Lipstadt about it. Lipstadt could have then
contacted me (that is, if you would have been decent enough to credit me as the
source) and seen what I had for herself and then go and review the direct
sources from whence I got the info in the first place. These were not insider
Revisionist sources. These were publicly available sources. She could then have
written the final draft of _Denying_ to reflect this all. Now, she has gone on
record as making some basic errors on basic biographical info on not only Butz,
but also on App (to whom she also devotes a whole chapter).
I then e-mailed you for advice on how I correct these errors without making
Deborah Lipstadt sound foolish. You pooh-poohed the notion that I could be right
and Lipstadt be wrong. To bad, Ken.
Actually I was wrong to have ever tried to seek such advice from you in the
first place. I already knew what you were like, but at the time, you were for
all practical purposes, all I had.
So, you unilaterally decided that my massive, but "normal" information on Butz
was not worth knowing and not worth passing on to scholars researching Holocaust
denial. But, I suppose, in addtion to thinking you speak for each and every
participant of <can.politics, van.general, can.general, and bc.general> (such as
by posting "Knoll speaks for none of us" with the "us" meaning all the
participants of the said NGs), you think can speak for Lipstadt and also but
make her decisions for her. Too bad.
So I had little value to you, Ken. Too bad. What I know, in the right hands, is
invaluable for the very same "combat the Holocaust deniers" work you so
sincerely and diligently devote yourself to. But you methodology is so different
from mine that I even had to put your phrase "combat the Holocaust deniers" in
quote marks because it is so different from what I feel when I think of reducing
the phenonomon of Holocaust denial. I do not want to "combat" Holocaust deniers
who are sincere disbelievers of the Shoah. I just want to provide viable
alternatives and to combat the *causes* of people seeking solace or an outlet in
Revisionism.
Thanks to people like you, Ken, there is at this time a dire poverty of viable
alternatives to Revisionism. Thanks to you and your ilk, people like me and
Werner Knoll are faced with two extremes -- yours (which actually deserves the
label "Holocaust Lobby") and radical Revisionism's.
At the very same time you and your ilk seek to suppress the truth about why we
turn to Rev, some of those who run radical Revisionism (Carto, Mark Weber, Hans
Schmidt) understand *very well* the needs of people like me, Werner Knoll,
hundreds of thousands of American and Canadian Germans to include Ernst Zu"ndel.
And they meet our needs and lure us into Revisionism (Zu"ndel was so lured in
Toronto years ago) with these met needs. Once there, an effort is on to lure us
into hard-core Jew-hating circles (they so lured Zu"ndel).
With me, all the further they got me was Revisionism. The "Holocaust Lobby" then
did much to drive me towards hard-core Nazism. It is only to my credit I did not
go. Don't say if I resisted anybody could. I am made of some pretty tough stuff.
If most people, including Ken, were subjected to what "the Holocaust Lobby"
subjected me to since 1990 when I first "came out," they would be neo-Nazis.
Like I said, this included Ken. I will not say all the things they put me
through here. Maybe I will publicly say it another time or in another venue and
maybe I will not.
With Werner, I cannot tell from just the few posts I read if he had been lured
as far as actually into Revisionism or not. But I can see that he is "at risk."
But Ken, with your posts, you are increasing the risk. "At risk" does not mean
"evil" either, Ken. Do not blame the victims. We too are victims and survivors
of the Shoah.
And I myself am also a victim from a Jewish point of view, Ken. But you were so
busy trashing me the ways the Germans part of my heritage made me 'at risk' that
you never even let me tell you I am also Jewish and very much like a Hidden
Child first generation Jewish Shoah survivor and very much like a Second
Generation Jewish Shoah survivor. It is your own prejudice which did not let you
see THESE traits in me, Ken. That plus the fact you are a Goy. The JEWISH rage
in me never spoken about a huge portion of my people cut off, my JEWISH
mourning, you never heard. Had I gotten a different e-mail account and showed
you the Jewish rage and mourning within me, you would have liked that other
persona, huh, Ken.
But stuff like this (stated before the above paragraph) Ken, you do not want to
hear because according to your preconceived notions, we START OUT AS hard-core
Jew-haters and then pretend to be like normal people to assimilate out and
infiltrate normal society to inject our poison into it with our "tricks of the
deniers." This is actually true for some people who *claim* to be Revisionists
such as Willis Carto. But for many of us, the exact percentage I do not know due
to lack of formal academic studies I would like to see done, the truth is just
the opposite of what you presuppose.
Lots of people start off with a pre-conceived notion, Ken, including myself. But
real scholars and real researchers and real advocates do not selectively cleave
to or selectively ignore new information that confirms or denies respectively
our preconceived notions and initial hypotheses. (If you are such a great and
wonderful real researcher and educator of the Shoah, Ken, then how come you did
not last very long on the academic holocaus mailing list on a server at the
University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), where many real Shoah scholars and many
real Shoah survivors participated? (The list is now called <holocaust> and is on
a different server.) Either you got unsubscribed by the owners or you
unsubscribed yourself in disgust that that real Shoah scholarship forum did not
gobble up your polemics.
But you refuse to see many of the critical points I make in this post. You have
seen most of them in the 1991 to 1997 timespan (with a gap) many times, so you
have had opportunity to consider them. And due to your refusal, you actually
drive more people into Revisionism or deeper into Revisionism or into hard-core
Jew-hatred with the very efforts you expend to "combat the Holocast
deniers/neo-Nazis."
Such is a travesty. But such is also reality. People like you are part of the
real world we all have to deal with.
Cecelia Plechinger
In another, less well known post on the same day,100 she said:
Ken, in other NGs, you tried and perhaps still try (I have not visited
alt.revisionism and such in quite a while) to appoint yourself as the
spokesperson for all "correct" Shoah education, research, advocacy, and such.
Yet, you represent only a portion of all Shoah educators, researchers,
advocates, etc.
However, Ken, we are a varied bunch, Ken. You do not speak for all of us, yet
you put yourself forth as doing so.
Notice I said you do not speak for *all* of us. You do indeed speak for and
reflect the views and methods of *some* people who are in the Shoah ed,
research, and advocacy field, but *only* some. Forsteh? (Yiddish for "Get it?,
Capice?, Understand?"). But, only *some.*
As much as I disagree with your tactics and attitude, I did not have the
chutzpah (Yiddish for "audacity") to assert that you speak for *none* of us. Yet
you have the chutzpah to assert that Werner Knoll speaks for nobody, not a
single soul, in this NG <can.politics> other than himself. Tsk tsk tsk, Ken.
Cecelia Plechinger
There appears to be no record of any response from McVay.
On 8 November 1998, John Morris commented of Cecelia:101
'But I don't think Ken ever trusted her.'
On 22 May 2000,102 Ken responded to a protest from Cecelia that material that
she had written 'is not "utter bullshit"' with the terse response: 'Yes, it is,
and was, utter bullshit <PLONK>'.
On the same day (22 May 2000), a much calmer Cecelia wrote:103
I certainly agree that some of Ken's methods are counterproductive. But Ken will
be Ken, just like Pat will be Pat, and Cecelia will be Cecelia.
Cecelia
5.5.2 Sol Littman
The disagreement between Ken McVay and Sol Littman, Canadian spokesman for the
Simon Wiesenthal Centre, concerns strategy. Littman favours censorship - denying
people the right to be heard. McVay seems to favour smears and intimidation. The
two strategies are incompatible insofar as McVay needs his opponents to be heard
in order for him to identify them and misrepresent them as part of the smearing
and intimidation process. It might seem an odd sort of disagreement, but these
are odd people.
The disagreement, which had been simmering for some time, apparently began to
surface in a Usenet post by McVay dated 23 June 1996:104
I do not believe in banning books. Is that clear enough for you? The 7,000
people I have spoken to will probably tell you that, if you ask; Bernie Farber
will certainly tell you that, if you ask, and so will Karen Mock; So will Sol
Littman and Abraham Cooper, men with whom, I suspect, there is no common
agreement on anything, other than the monstrous reality of the Holocaust and a
patent a dislike for Nazis. Does that help?
McVay's attack on Littman intensified with an article by McVay in Electronic
Frontier Canada, dated 23 July 1996.105
Sol Littmann suffers from Ostrich Syndrome
by Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) Tuesday, July 23rd, 1996
The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is the largest
Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.
It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that the
host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically located in BC
- which give cause for alarm.
It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject ignorance -
Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he represents in Canada)
is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich Syndrome."
Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin to the
Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
Littman is quoted as saying:
"We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, the longer they fester
and the more they infect others and the only way to deal with them honestly and
forcefully is to expose them to the light of truth."
Yet the article concludes,
"Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups from Fairview
voluntarily before the centre takes any other action."
The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that Littman
has no understanding of the Internet. One is at a loss to determine how removal
of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in any way "expose
them to the light of truth."
If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is accessed
daily by hundreds. In addition to being a source for those who seek information
about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an electronic resource for those
who wish to "deal with [these groups] honestly and forcefully" thereby exposing
Lemire and many others - of whom Littman may not even be aware.
Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other website.
Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others, will Littman next
be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such links? Or that we hide
from public view the mountains of archived material which meticulously documents
and uses the "arguments" put forward by these groups as instruments of their
refutation and exposure?
If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while engaging in
this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so. But the martyrdom they hand on
a platter to Lemire and others whom they find offensive stands in marked
contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own website.
Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly growing
number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to participate in the
battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the Internet.
The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white supremacist
group on the Internet. Such groups will fester in darkness, but wither in light.
McVay launched another attack on Littman in a Usenet post dated 18 January
1998:106
Subject: Re: Free Speech is a dangerous thing.
From: kmc...@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <69t15v$8vg$1...@news.trends.ca>
Newsgroups: van.general,bc.politics,bc.general,can.politics,can.general
[In article <885078642....@dejanews.com>,
Jason Black wrote:
Free Speech is a dangerous thing.
> By Ernest & Elvena Slump
>In a press release Sol Littman of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute called
>Oliver BC the Hate Crime Capital of Canada and said BC harbors this
>capital. What do they base this claim on? Well, it seems we have a man..
The fascinating thing about the websites in question is that they are already so
marginalized that one can only wonder that Mr. Littman wants to throttle them
further. Marc Lemire's "Freedom Site," for instance, averages under 100 hits a
day, while the Nizkor site and mirrors receive over 10,000 hits a day, about
1500 of them to the home page. Cybrary of the Holocaust now gets a million hits
a month. The contrast is interesting, and suggests that these sites are of
little interest to anyone except those who maintain them, and Mr. Littman, of
course.
Mr. Littman, however, appears to be a man who would throttle anyone who
disagrees with his worldview - he doesn't need "hate speech" to set him off.
At a recent international symposium dealing with hate on the internet, a
participant from Washington, D.C., having heard Mr. Littman's patronizing paper
on the subject of hate on the net, commented that Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel's
American parrot, would have had to invent Mr. Littman had he not already
existed.
Mr. Littman, discovering that this comment had been reproduced by Ms. Rimland,
in one of her regular diatribes, then wrote to a prominent member of B'nai Brith
(no, I don't work for them, although Mr. Littman appears to think that I do) and
expressed the hope that I might be muzzled. Perhaps Mr. Littman thinks that my
comments were "hatespeech?"
It is fortunate that Canada's Jewish community does not reflect his desire to
censor those with whom he disagrees - Mr. Littman, as I told him at the Toronto
symposium, scares me more than Zundel does.
The following day, 19 January 1998, McVay posted to Usenet an item indicating
that Littman had also been sniping at him, specifically, by trying to undermine
him in the eyes of B'nai Brith Canada (Nizkor's fund 'collectors').107
Mr. Littman is an interesting man.... and he does indeed seem to favour
censoring not only hate sites, but indeed others who find his brand of work with
respect to the Internet distasteful.
I am reliably informed that the following letter was received at the national
office of B'nai Brith Canada in September of 1997, closely following the
international symposium on "Hate on the Internet."
The letter, written under the Simon Wiesenthal Center's letterhead, contained
the following text:
"Not only do we agree on almost all issues but we are also the subject of the
same opprobrium from those who disagree with us.
"What follows was originally put out on the Internet by Ken McVay flunky Michael
Stein and reissued by Zundel flunky Ingrid Rimland.
"Which brings me to the next question. On whose side are McVay and his cohorts
on? For some time I have wondered by B'nai Brith continues to give him a
platform when he avidly proposes policies which our respective agencies oppose.
His site provides automatic links with almost all of the major Holocaust deniers
- all in the name of free speech!
"Let's face it, McVay is a quirky loose cannon whose usefulness is almost over.
If it weren't for B'nai Brith he would be out of business.
"Sincerely, [signed] Sol Littman"
. .
If Mr. Littman really believes that my work would come to a halt without the
help and support of B'nai Brith, he is equally misinformed. It would be
interesting to know if this letter reflects an official position of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center.
An abbreviated version of the Usenet post was was subsequently posted the Nizkor
Web site.108
On 10 February 1999, Ken McVay sadly observed:109
'Sol Littman doesn't seem to like me much... hey, I can live with that.'
In a Usenet response to Anthony Sabatini dated 13 June 1999, McVay again
attacked Littman:110
I think LIttman is out to lunch, and sensationalizes such cases in order to
promote his own agenda, but I also think that he has every right to stand up in
a free country and speak his piece. I gather you do not think he has this right
- granted in the Charter - is that correct?
As more than one Canadian jurist has pointed out, the issue of Canadian
"anti-hate" laws has already been settled - the Supreme Court has settled it,
and more than once. I still oppose those laws, but I don't pretend they aren't
constitutional when the SC has very clearly demonstrated that they are.
I oppose those laws, Mr. Littman does not. Why does that bother you, Mr.
Sabatini? Would you like to shut Mr. Littman up, and deny him his Charter
rights?
Would that wet your whistle?
With that the issue appeared to die down.
5.5.3 Disagreement with unnamed supporters over management of Nizkor
A fascinating insight into a disagreement between Ken McVay and a group of
Nizkor supporters circa 1995- 6 is revealed in a Usenet post by John Morris, an
anti-revisionist academic from the English department of the University of
Alberta, Edmonton, Canada on 17 December 2001:111
So far as I can tell, Nizkor is chugging along just fine.
But it isn't a group project. It's Ken McVay's show. It was proposed at one time
(c. 1995-96) that control of Nizkor should be handed over to a group of its
volunteers. Since I wasn't party to the discussions leading up to the collapse
of that proposal, the reasons that it never happened are not entirely clear to
me. But it didn't happen, and Nizkor remains, as it always has been, under the
sole proprietorship of Ken McVay.
I was party to the drafting of a letter to McVay which, in retrospect, must have
looked to McVay like an ultimatum to stand and deliver. The upshot is that many
of those same volunteers started their own web project called The Holocaust
History Project.
Is it "classified information"? No. But there does seem to be a gentleman's
agreement not to air dirty laundry in public since it involves, as much as
anything else, strong personality clashes among some of the principals.
5.5.4 Argument with Yale F. Edeiken, David 'Orac' Gorski and John Morris
regarding use of personal information on supporters of revisionists
In 1999 a huge and very public row broke out on Usenet between McVay and three
of his (then) supporters. The individuals were John Morris, mentioned above, Dr
David Gorski, a cancer specialist from the US, and Yale F Edeiken, a Jewish
attorney from Pennsylvania. The row concerned one Mr Scott Bradbury, an opponent
of Mr McVay's Nizkor. Yale Edeiken was sueing Bradbury at the time (Edeiken lost
eventually). Edeiken obtained Bradbury's personal details (address etc.) for the
purposes of legal action. Unfortunately, he also distributed them to other
individuals (see admission below). One of these individuals was Ken McVay. McVay
posted the information briefly on his Nizkor site. Subsequently, Mr Bradbury was
made the victim of a ferocious campaign of harassment. The argument concerned
who was responsible for using Bradbury's personal details improperly. Edeiken
and McVay blamed each other.
The opening salvo began with a post from Ken McVay to alt.revisionism. In this
he made it clear that Yale F Edeiken sent him Scott Bradbury's personal
information, including his address. McVay indicated that he subsequently posted
this address on his Nizkor site for about 90 minutes (it was then acquired by a
criminal third party, referred to generally as 'Nazihunter', who used it to
harass Bradbury):112
I don't like posting email as a rule, although I confess I have done, but I have
received email I consider somewhat abusive from Mr. Edeiken, and am compelled to
respond, and to do so initially by sharing his outburst with you:
<!--Begin email cut and paste--> I hope you're you fucking son of a bitch. I
suggest you mae some response to this. Make it hard and make it fast. --yfe
<!--End email cut and paste--> He includes a UseNet article (see References,
above) in which David Michaels apparently said (the article has not arrived on
my server yet):
<!--Begin UseNet quote-->
Since you have just been roundly rapped over the knuckles by your 'boss', Mr
McVay, for apparently conspiring to incite violence against a poster in this
newsgroup, I think that perhaps you should keep a low profile lest the details
of your sordid behaviour find their way to your superiors in Pennsylvania. David
<!--End UseNet quote-->
You may recall that Mr. Edeiken said "Make it hard and make it fast." and so I
must. Here is my response, Mr. Michael: I am not now, nor have I ever been, Mr.
Edeiken's boss. Further, Mr. Edeiken has no connection with the Nizkor Project,
and has not had one since mid-July, when I removed him from a Nizkor mailing
list. For 1998 and 1999, the only real connection Mr. Edeiken had with Nizkor
was making you look foolish with respect to the Himmler tape.
With respect to your interpretation of my words, I can only suggest that you
read them again:
<exact copy>
To be fair, one should also ask how nazihunter got the name and address in the
first place, shouldn't one? Yale Edeiken distributed it to a
holocaust-history.org mailing list, and to a few, including me, outside the
list. If you are going to condemn nazihunter, as you properly are, then should
you not also ask what Yale hoped to achieve by distributing the address in the
first place? I posted it on Nizkor for about 90 minutes, until I realized, on
reflection, that it was the wrong thing to do, and deleted it... so, in the end,
it could have come from anywhere... but it originated with someone who should
have known better, as he himself had been the target of a similar attack.
<copy ends>
If that is what you feel Mr. Edeiken meant to achieve, that is your opinion, one
I am not prepared to share. However, I think it would have been hypocritical of
me to remain silent, all the while knowing where the information came from,
while others were being justifiably pilloried for making improper use of it. Who
is to be blamed more? The person wielding the weapon, or the one who provided
it? You tell me. [Posted and emailed]
This provoked the following response from Dr Gorski, using his customary
pseudonym 'Orac':113
And to what end do you wish to "share" this outburst with us? What does it
accomplish for you to break one of the primary rules of Netiquette? What do you
gain by it? Do you post EVERY abusive e-mail you receive to a.r? Yale directed
his "outburst" at you in private. Clearly, he's pissed off at you for some
reason. He did not post it to Usenet for all to see, which he could have done.
Presumably he so because he considered it a private matter. You should have
dealt with it privately, rather than publicizing it. Why are you publicizing it?
[Denials that Yale works for Nizkor snipped]
. .
Who is more culpable, one who leaves a weapon in a public site, accessible to
anyone, knowing that anyone could pick it up and use it, or someone who leaves a
weapon in a private club among people he/she thinks he/she can trust? If your
version of events is true, then that's what we're really talking about, isn't
it, Ken? Basically, you're glossing over the fact that it is entirely possible
that by posting Scotty's address to Nizkor's website, even if only for 90 min,
YOU were the one to provide "Nazihunter" with the weapon. Surely you knew when
you posted it to a public website that it might fall into the wrong hands. At
the very least, your action shows recklessness of a higher degree than that you
accuse Yale of. At the worst, it means you wanted the information to be used,
which is exactly what you seem to be accusing Yale of. But back to your
question: The person wielding the weapon is more culpable. A person given a
weapon does not have to pull the trigger and use it. He/she can always say no.
The person providing the weapon may or may not have intended for it to be used
and may or may not have been able to predict whether anyone would use it and may
or may not have intended for the person receiving the weapon to pass it on. That
person, unless he/she knew that the weapon would be used or passed on to someone
who would use it, can be accused, at most, only of cluelessness and maybe
recklessness. The person who uses the weapon is ultimately to blame for its use.
An unrepentant McVay made the allegation against Edeiken again:114
Mr. Edeiken posted private and confidential information to undisclosed
recipients, one of whom might be "nazihunter." Did the source of this private
and confidential information understand that he was going to do this? Did he
approve the use of this private information in that way, prior to releasing it,
or did he release it for a specific purpose, one which had nothing to do with
mailing lists? Would it have been released, short of legal action, had the
holder of the information known that Mr. Edeiken was going to release it to the
public?
Edeiken admitted the charge but made excuses:115
I gave the information to a list of people who, almost without exception have
been the vicitims of threats of violence or criminal harassment from Bradbury.
If you ahve a problem with that, I could care less.
Edeiken denied that McVay had been his 'boss' in legal negotiations between
Nizkor and myself regarding a wager concerning the authenticity of Himmler's
Posen speech tapes. Edeiken had said (in a post directed at me): 'I am a lawyer
retained to represent a client. If you beleive that a cleint is a lawyer's
"boss" then it is clear why you produced none to represent you. They would not
do so under those conditions.' McVay replied thus:116
Actually, I never saw it that way. As I thought of how to respend to Dr. Michael
about this, it seemed to me that it was more of a collaborative effort. I didn't
hire Mr. Edeiken to do it. I hadn't thought there would be any further
discussion about the "challenge" after Giwer cut and ran, and Dr. Michael's
request caught me off guard, so I turned to Yale and asked for help. He
volunteered. I accepted his legal advice - after all, he's a lawyer. I confess I
did give Mr. Edeiken a $1 retainer, in August, 1996, but I suspect it was used
up long ago.
This provoked a furious response from John Morris to McVay:117
Yep. Sounds like Yale wasn't worth much to you at all. I'll bet that made it a
hell of a lot easier to stab him him in the back, didn't it, you cocksucker?
The upshot: Ken McVay denies any links between Edeiken and Nizkor:118
'Mr Edeiken has absolutely no connection with the Nizkor Project.'
5.6 Incompetent and deliberately misleading research
This is evidently not the place to conduct a detailed analysis of McVay's Nizkor
site. A few examples of Ken McVay getting his facts spectacularly wrong should
suffice to make the point that his research skills are not of the highest
quality.
5.6.1. NetGuide errors
An April 1995 complaint regarding Ken McVay and factual inaccuracies reads as
follows:119
Ken McVay . . . of Vancouver, Canada is a self-appointed, one man "hit squad" on
the Internet. He likes to call people names. Apparently, he is willing to
misrepresent the truth to accomplish his goals, which are to discredit all who
disagree with Jewish leaders' claims about the "holocaust" and policies
regarding Israel. One recent example was a short story in NetGuide magazine (we
told you their activists are everywhere) written by Joel Furr, a free lance
writer. Our response to the article follows and is pretty much self-explanatoty.
Will the magazine publish it?
April 1, 1995
Patrice Adcroft, Editor-in-Chief
NetGuide Magazine
Manhasset, NY
Dear Ms. Adcroft:
Joel Furr's brief article (The Reich Stuff) featuring Ken McVay's war against
"hate" traffic on the Internet in your Feb. 1995 issue needs correcting.
First and foremost, the practice of using emotional buzz words to denigrate
those with whom one disagrees, e.g., "neo-Nazis", "anti-Semites", "inept
researchers", and "incompetent liars" is a sure sign of the absence of
scholarship. McVay and Furr need to expand their vocabularies.
Second, their reference to an "old magazine" that carried an article about "some
Jewish politician making claims of a mass extermination of Jews after World War
I" lacked documentation. To what magazine and Jewish politician were they
referring?
Here's the documentation they omitted: The American Hebrew of Oct. 31, 1919,
published by the American Jewish Committee, carried a story by former Governor
of New York Martin H. Glynn. Its title was The Crucifixion of Jew Must Stop! In
Glynn's article he referred to the figure of "six million" and a "threatened
holocaust". This was just after World War I, not World War II. Obviously, this
was not an anti-Semitic publication but rather a Jewish periodical, and Gov.
Martin Glynn was not an anti-Semite.
Finally, The American Hebrew, ceased publication 39 years ago, not 50-60 years
as McVay claimed. It appears that Mr. McVay should get his facts straight before
trashing others.
Sincerely,
[SMYRNA]
5.6.2 Misleading and out-of-context quotations
Unfortunately, Mr McVay is not just a poor researcher. He deliberately sets out
to mislead his readers by telling outright lies.
Smear no. 1 - Mr McVay charges me with 'holocaust denial'
Ken McVay does not like me. He publishes files on me on his Nizkor Web site.120
The file opens with the words: ''David Michael The true face of Holocaust
denial'.
This is interesting because I have never, in fact, engaged in 'Holocaust
denial'. Mr McVay's statement is both false and defamatory.
I have made my position on 'Holocaust denial' very clear on a number of
occasions, not least in a Usenet posting responding to Michael Ragland in May
2002:121
As I have stated several times, I do not 'deny' anything. I regard 'the
Holocaust' as a newspeak term for a large number of events. Some of them may
well have occurred. Others, if you examine them -- which you evidently haven't
as you've confessed that you simply 'intuitively knew that the Holocaust had
occurred' -- are 'supported' by rather weaker evidence. Your attempt to imply
that all these events must be either accepted or rejected in toto is downright
silly. Your assertion that I 'deny' these events, when I merely 'question' them,
is downright dishonest. As I have pointed out to you before.
Smear no. 2 - Mr McVay charges me with Nazism
After this piece of - let us not beat about the bush - flagrant libel, Ken
McVay's Web site continues to try to blacken my good name.
After a carefully snipped and edited quote from one of my more controversial
posts on American imperialism and the World Trade Center attacks of 11 September
2001, Mr McVay continues by posting an even more carefully edited extract from
one of my Usenet posts that gives the uncritical reader the distinct impression
that I am a rabid Nazi:
Third, National Socialism was a revolutionary movement that was based upon a
wonderful dream. Forget the stories of corpses for a moment, Mr G, and imagine a
world very different from the world we inhabit today. Imagine a world free from
the wars that have scarred the face of this tired old planet since the beginning
of time; a world with no extreme poverty, with no disease, with no exploitation
of worker by employer, no jolting financial crises (with the misery that such
crises entail) -- a world united in a common purpose and a common vision.
Imagine a world free from the old conflicts, where worker and employer strive
side-by-side for the common good, where 'Left' and 'Right' are mere historical
anachronisms, where nation works peacefully alongside nation for the greater
glory of all the earth. Imagine, if you will, a world where, through a process
of artificial genetic selection, mankind has been enhanced to heights undreamed
of: when, year by year, mere human beings grow ever closer to becoming gods.
Think of the beauty of those people, of their art, their music, their
literature. Think of their levels of culture, their humanity, their nobility.
Now contrast this with the world that has been bequeathed to our children as a
result of that needless and miserable world war. Just pick up a newspaper and
look around you -- look at what your 'liberals' and your 'democrats' have left
to them. Look at the dull-eyed teenagers, drugged to their eyeballs, staggering
around bleak housing estates, their stereos blaring drum-beats! What do they
know of the glories of a Bruckner symphony, or the heart-rending beauty of
Nietzsche? What good have 'democracy' and 'liberalism' ever done for them, Mr G?
Answer me that! Look at Africa and Asia -- thousands upon thousands of square
miles, characterized by war, starvation, famine, massacre, corruption, decay,
filth. What good have 'freedom' and 'rights' ever done for the inhabitants of
those miserable regions? Answer me that! What good is 'freedom' to a man who
cannot afford to buy his daily bread? Tell me that, Mr G! Look at the legacy of
communism -- the blood red claw that, even today, enslaves a quarter of the
world's population. Think of the 200 million corpses -- people who died as
victims of this evil claw, for no good purpose whatsoever. Now can you honestly
put your hand on your heart and tell me, in all sincerity, sir, that you truly
and without reservation believe that the world you and your kind have bequeathed
to future generations -- the world that has given us Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and
the pathetic figure of William Jefferson Clinton, who symbolizes all that is
wrong with this earth -- that you honestly believe that this world you have left
for us is better than our alternative? Can you honestly tell me that the dream
of a beautiful new world that I have outlined above -- the dream that inspired
countless thousands of young Europeans to flock to the National Socialist banner
-- is not worth fighting for? Can you honestly tell me that it is not worth
dying for?"
This is followed by what appears to be a link to the original Usenet post,
although as of December 2002 it did not work.
But doesn't that quote really prove beyond all possible doubt that I'm a raving
Nazi? Well, actually it doesn't. When the entire post is seen it will be
observed that my views were very different from what Mr McVay wishes to deceive
his readers into believing. The post is a lengthy response to a series of
questions posted by Dr David 'Orac' Gorski. I quote it in full, with the
exception of the headers and the opening material from earlier exchanges in the
thread. I include both Gorski's questions and my responses:122
Nice to see you putting up an argument, Mr G! And it's a tough one too.
Please read on.
> your true colors are that you tend sympathize with the philosophy
> and goals of National Socialism, aren't they?
Philosophy -- no. I don't think National Socialism has a coherent
philosophy. That's one reason why various attempts to revive it tend to
result in numerous factions forming. I do have a lot more time for the
approach of the early Fascisti. I like their pragmatism: they don't ask
'how can I make my people serve my ideology', but rather 'which ideology
shall we apply here, now, in this particular instance, to serve my
people'. For me, politics is not a battle between 'Right' and 'Left' but
between idealogues and pragmatists. That's why I don't share the doom
and gloom of many nationalists. I see a movement towards a far more
pragmatic approach in politics nowadays -- a 'fascistization' of
politics. The gulf that separates, say, Tony Blair from Oswald Mosley is
not as great, in my view, as the gulf that separates Tony Blair from,
say, Anthony Wedgewood Benn, the dogmatist at the far 'Left' of his
Labour Party. But this has nothing to do with National Socialism.
As to whether I sympathize with the goals of National Socialism, the
honest answer is that I sympathize with some of them. Just as I
sympathize with some of the goals of libertarianism and even some of
communism. I'm a true eclectic. If a man talks sense, and if the sense
that he talks can serve my country, then he is worth listening to
whatever labels he applies to himself. Again, I'm following in the
tradition of the likes of Mr Mussolini and, to a lesser extent, Sir
Oswald Mosley (neither of whom were, at first, particularly
anti-Semitic, I should add). Both were prepared to follow the
traditional political routes only insofar as they served the nation.
When they ceased to do so, they adopted a more opportunistic, pragmatic
approach, albeit at considerable personal cost.
> But perhaps I have misinterpreted your intention. I'm only human, and
> Usenet often hides the subtle shadings of meaning that people intend when
> the post, leading to frequent misunderstandings. Perhaps, despite your
> many posts that suggest otherwise, you do not have National Socialist
> sympathies. If so, it's really quite simple for you to prove me wrong. All
> you have to do is to answer these two questions:
>
> 1.) Do you in general believe in the philosophy or goals of National Socialism?
Philosophy -- no. Goals -- some.
> 2.) Do you in general sympathize with the goals or philosophy of National
> Socialism.
Philosophy -- sometimes. Goals -- some.
> Two explicit "no" answers without prevarication or reservation, and you've
> proven me wrong.
Then I haven't proven you wrong, but it doesn't follow from the above
that I am a rampaging Hitler supporter. Let me show you why. Let's
consider where I think the Nazis were right and where I think they were
wrong.
So where do I agree with them?
First, Dr Goebbels made very clear, in 1935, the absolute opposition of
the German National Socialists to communism. This position was
reiterated by Mr Hitler. It seems quite plain to me that communism has
caused immense suffering throughout the world this century. Estimates of
the numbers slaughtered in its name exceed 200 million. It has enslaved
vast swathes of territory; it has destroyed whole national cultures; it
has caused misery exceeding anything known to mankind. With the
lamentable exception of the Molotov--Ribbentrop pact, which I hope was a
ruse, the Nazis had an excellent record of dealing appropriately with
communists. They hanged them, shot them, strung them up from lamp-posts.
And in so doing they have my complete support.
Second, the National Socialists were nationalists. At the end of the
day, nationalism, in the sense that I'd use it, is not an abstract
theory or set of propositions or ideology. It is love of one's people
and homeland, and a desire to serve, preserve and enhance them. Nothing
more and nothing less. It is a sentiment, like love of one's wife. It
cannot be justified or refuted, although, irritatingly, people keep
trying to justify it -- and I dare say you've shot a few of them down in
flames in this very newsgroup! It does not entail hatred of other
nations, any more than your love of your wife or children or pet hamster
entails hatred of other wives of children or hamsters. It is more a case
of: 'this is MINE -- this is what I love and shall defend'. Maybe I'm
just an old-fashioned Romantic, Mr G, but I sincerely love my homeland
and people, for all their faults, and would like to serve them as best I
can, not out of a wish for personal gain or to further any ideology, but
in the true spirit of public service. I recognize in the National
Socialists a similar spirit. How can I condemn in them a feeling that is
so strong in myself?
Third, National Socialism was a revolutionary movement that was based
upon a wonderful dream. Forget the stories of corpses for a moment, Mr
G, and imagine a world very different from the world we inhabit today.
Imagine a world free from the wars that have scarred the face of this
tired old planet since the beginning of time; a world with no extreme
poverty, with no disease, with no exploitation of worker by employer, no
jolting financial crises (with the misery that such crises entail) -- a
world united in a common purpose and a common vision. Imagine a world
free from the old conflicts, where worker and employer strive
side-by-side for the common good, where 'Left' and 'Right' are mere
historical anachronisms, where nation works peacefully alongside nation
for the greater glory of all the earth. Imagine, if you will, a world
where, through a process of artificial genetic selection, mankind has
been enhanced to heights undreamed of: when, year by year, mere human
beings grow ever closer to becoming gods. Think of the beauty of those
people, of their art, their music, their literature. Think of their
levels of culture, their humanity, their nobility. Now contrast this
with the world that has been bequeathed to our children as a result of
that needless and miserable world war. Just pick up a newspaper and look
around you -- look at what your 'liberals' and your 'democrats' have
left to them. Look at the dull-eyed teenagers, drugged to their
eyeballs, staggering around bleak housing estates, their stereos blaring
drum-beats! What do they know of the glories of a Bruckner symphony, or
the heart-rending beauty of Nietzsche? What good have 'democracy' and
'liberalism' ever done for them, Mr G? Answer me that! Look at Africa
and Asia -- thousands upon thousands of square miles, characterized by
war, starvation, famine, massacre, corruption, decay, filth. What good
have 'freedom' and 'rights' ever done for the inhabitants of those
miserable regions? Answer me that! What good is 'freedom' to a man who
cannot afford to buy his daily bread? Tell me that, Mr G! Look at the
legacy of communism -- the blood red claw that, even today, enslaves a
quarter of the world's population. Think of the 200 million corpses --
people who died as victims of this evil claw, for no good purpose
whatsoever. Now can you honestly put your hand on your heart and tell
me, in all sincerity, sir, that you truly and without reservation
believe that the world you and your kind have bequeathed to future
generations -- the world that has given us Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the
pathetic figure of William Jefferson Clinton, who symbolizes all that is
wrong with this earth -- that you honestly believe that this world you
have left for us is better than our alternative? Can you honestly tell
me that the dream of a beautiful new world that I have outlined above --
the dream that inspired countless thousands of young Europeans to flock
to the National Socialist banner -- is not worth fighting for? Can you
honestly tell me that it is not worth dying for?
So where do I disagree with them.
First, as I indicated above, there is a lack of clarity as to intent and
purpose. Most National Socialist publications that I have seen nowadays
lack any clear direction. They seem to consist merely of the confused
mutterings of their publishers, which range from the odd, to the
mystical, to the completely daft.
Second, there is a complete lack of any credible leadership. You have
only to witness the undignified way in which the so-called leaders of
the movement today conduct themselves in this newsgroup to see this.
That they should indulge in public squabbling in the face of the enemy
is unforgivable and shows that they are no hopers. Sixty years ago, such
quarrels between brothers would have been settled in private, if
necessary with the assistance of a well-placed bullet.
Third, I am persuaded that the National Socialist movement may, at
times, have participated in unjustified acts of brutality. This in no
way detracts from the fact that their enemies clearly did likewise, and
I do not lose sight of the fact that there was a war on, that 'war is
war' and 'these things happen', or that there was a strong degree of
disorganization, panic and resentment at times. Nevertheless, such
behaviour is quite inexcusable and, where it can be proven to have
occurred, it must be condemned unreservedly.
Fourth, I think that the National Socialists may, in the past, have
taken their use of the race concept to extremes. I don't regard the Jews
as a 'race' but as a cultural group, although one that clearly tends to
attract adherents disproportionately from one particular 'race'. I can
see how the concerns about Jewish influence may have arisen, and from my
own fairly recent encounter with the Jewish community, I must say that I
am struck by how true-to-life the Nazi stereotype of the Jews seems to
be I think the problem, however, is cultural rather than genetic. I
tend to strongly dislike most Jews whom I meet -- they are arrogant,
aggressive, dishonest people. But I can think of several with whom I
formed good relationships, in three cases even friendships. This is not
to say that 'race' cannot be used as a relevant factor in political
decisions. Indeed, in Britain today, where 1 in 5 pre-school children
are of 'mixed' race, it is imperative that race SHOULD be used in
political decisions if our culture and way of life is to survive even
one century into the new millennium. But the concept must be used
SENSIBLY.
Fifth, a central feature of National Socialism was the fuhrer principle
and the need for loyalty to one man, Mr Adolf Hitler. I regret that I
would swear loyalty to no one other than myself. Mr Hitler was not
infallible. The fact that he managed to lose the most important war of
all time is clear evidence of this.
So, you see, Mr G, I think that there is good and bad in it. As with
most political movements. The trick, methinks, is to preserve and
enhance the good while doing away with the bad. In other words,
pragmatism should rule.
> I'm sure you can do that little thing just to prove my assertion wrong,
> can't you? (Of course, just remember that if you decide to do so
> insincerely just to make me look bad it'll certainly come back to haunt
> you later when you post something that contradicts your answers to these
> questions...)
Well, I know there's always a temptation to label things. I think labels
usually tend to oversimplify and hence distort. It depends what you want
to do. If you want to smear me, then I suppose applying the 'Nazi' label
is as good as any. If you want to accurately classify me for some
obscure purpose, the 'Nazi' label would not fit particularly well.
> >Do you disagree with me on this point? Why?
>
> For the most part, yes, I do disagree. The primary purpose of Germany's
> war was not primarily to "save the world" but to secure Lebensraum for
> Germany in the East, as described in MEIN KAMPF. Later, when it became
> clear that Germany was losing the war that it had started, the only thing
> the Nazis were trying to save was their hides.
I think they were trying to save the world from Bolshevism, from what
they saw as Jewish influence, and from a variety of other 'degenerate'
forces. Certainly they wanted to secure Lebensraum and I think they
wanted to rectify what they saw as unjust conditions imposed upon them
by brute force at the end of the First World War. If you can let me know
precisely what it is you disagree with in this I'll fish around and try
to find some documented backup for it.
Now what I was saying there might have been controversial, but it was not the
uncritical endorsement of Nazism that Mr McVay would like his readers to think
that it was. Since that time I have modified my views somewhat and nowadays I
have more in common with the national-anarchists than the Fascisti. In
particular, I am now convinced that imperialism, strong leaders, powerful states
and the repression of political opponents is not the way forward. In particular,
I have become convinced that it is indeed possible to work with certain
communist and other radical groups against the common enemy of the current age,
which I regard as American imperialism. I have posted this often to
alt.revisionism, which Mr McVay and his supporters read, but Mr McVay continues
to mislead his readers on the question of what I really think.
Smear no. 3 - Mr McVay charges me with neo-Nazism and criminality
Mr McVay posts on his Web site transcripts of allegations made by
Yale F. Edeiken in his lawsuit against Scott Bradbury.
<<Tavish comment: Those allegations have been proven to be perjurious
fabrications aka accusations and this document proves so:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com> End Tavish comment>>
These allegations make the following reference to me:123
9. Defendant Scott Bradbury has participated in campaigns of threats,
defamation, forgery, and harassment in order to intimidate and harass his
opponent and prevent them from exercising their rights of free speech. 10.
Defendant Scott Bradbury has assisted and/or obtained the assistance of others
in said campaigns, including but not limited to David E. Michael, Donald Ellis,
and "Pat Blakely."
. .
25. Since the filing of this lawsuit Defendant Scott Bradbury increased his
efforts to harass and threaten Plaintiff and to distribute false and defamatory
information about him in an effort to intimidate Plaintiff. 26. Defendant has
been assisted in this effort by David E. Michael and Donald Ellis publishing
material either under their own names, pseudonyms, or anonymously.
Mr McVay is here citing material accusing me of, inter alia, criminal offences.
Let it be placed on record that I have not been found guilty of, or charged
with, any criminal offence at any time in my life. I have not even been charged
with the crimes of which Mr McVay accuses me. McVay has claimed that he was
merely reporting Mr Edeiken's allegations, which were made in a court (and thus
were protected from libel action). However, I am advised that in so reporting
them, and particularly in the way in which he has repeatedly posted them to
Usenet newsgroups, Mr McVay is engaging in libel. It should be noted, in
particular, that Edeiken's lawsuit was thrown out on appeal. Mr McVay makes no
note of the fact that Edeiken had every reason to tell outright lies about me as
I too had defeated him in a lawsuit that he brought against me in Pennsylvania.
Additional defamatory material is published in another part of Mr McVay's report
of Edeiken's allegations:124
15. Defendant is supported and assisted in his campaigns of harassment as
aforesaid by various accomplices who Plaintiff believes and therefore avers
include, inter alia: 16. The aforesaid campaigns arise from Defendant;'s
pathological hatred of Jew and/or any person opposed to his pathological hatred
and are conducted maliciously, wantonly, wilfully, and recklessly by the
Defendant and his accomplices and in outrageous disregard of the rights of his
victims with the specific purpose of intimidating and silencing his opponents,
intentionally causing them mental distress, anguish and grief, and adversely
affecting their reputation in the communities in which they reside. 17. That
such purpose and intent of Defendant is known to Defendant's accomplices who
actively support Defendant's goals and purposes and assist him in stalking his
victims during his campaigns of harassment, defamation, and intimidation. 18.
Such agreement on the part of his accomplices includes the ethnic prejudice and
hatred that motivates Defendant. 19. That said accomplices include, inter alai:
a. David E. Michael, a British neo-Nazi and denier of the Holocaust who is an
adherent of and/or organizer for the neo-Nazi British National Party.
As argued above, as well as being quite innocent of the criminal charges made
against me by Mr Edeiken and Mr McVay on Web sites and in Usenet groups but not
to the police, I am neither a 'neo-Nazi' nor a 'denier of the Holocaust'.
5.6.3 Plain incompetence - my biography
For a brief period of time Ken McVay posted on his Nizkor site a small
'biography' of me. Why he should seek to do this is a matter for speculation.
McVay removed it fairly rapidly and it was not archived by the Internet Archive
Wayback Machine (as at December 2002), so the only evidence that it ever existed
is the exchange that it generated on Usenet. This consisted of an original post
by me125 and responses by Steven Mock,126 Michael Ragland127 and two posters
using pseudonyms.
My contribution to this thread highlighted the errors. My post read as follows:
In his latest (rather pathetic) attempt to intimidate me into silence, Ken
McVay's 'Nizkor' website now posts an interesting little 'biography' of me.
This is at:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//m/michael.david/references
<begin quote>
1981 - Campaign for More Democratic Student Representation (Age 18)
Federation of Conservative Students
1982-1984, Active member of the National Front, reputedly associated
closely with Andrew Brons, who was and still is a university lecturer.
(Brons subsequently left the National Front, and disassociated himself
from far-right activity.)
1981-1984, philosophy student, St. Andrews University
1988, graduated Keele University; PhD Clinical Psychology. Not
believed to be working in the field.
<end quote>
Errors include:
* wrong age given in 1981 (I was born in summer 1962) [an interesting
error -- this, together with the other errors about my academic background,
suggests that Ken got this info not from the university itself (which would
either have given accurate information or told him to piss off) but rather
via the good Gerry, who has links with Special Branch, the executive wing of
MI5];
* Brons was not a university lecturer -- he was a polytechnic lecturer (I
wasn't particularly close to him either, although we inevitably worked
together on a couple of minor projects so I can see how that impression
might have arisen);
* wrong dates given for NF membership;
* I was not, in fact, a philosophy student at St Andrews University from
1981 to 1984;
* I did not graduate from Keele University with a PhD in clinical
psychology.
It appears that Nizkor is about as accurate in its information about its
opponents as it is about the history of World War II.
David
(For the record, I have a MA(Hons) in psychology and a PhD in the psychology of
instructional text and graphic design. I did indeed also study philosophy, but
not from 1981 to 1984 at St Andrews.)
5.7 The Nizkor funding controversy
There are two elements to this: McVay's relationship with B'nai Brith Canada and
McVay's relationship with the American San Antonio Foundation.
5.7.1 Nizkor's official position re. B'nai Brith Canada
The following is currently (December 2002) posted on Nizkor's Web site:128
The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its cooperative affiliation with the
League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national
volunteer organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and bigotry,
and to promoting human rights for all Canadians.
Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their donation may call
B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224, and advise the receptionist that they
wish to make a donation to the Nizkor Project; If you prefer, you can print this
form and send to:
The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8
After the form it continues:
Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of B'nai
Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo
section. A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used to build the
Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that all of your donation be invested for
Nizkor's future needs, please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only. (All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor
Endowment Fund, Care of The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)
Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt. [#0235903-43-13]
5.7.2 The allegation re. B'nai Brith Canada
Allegations regarding 'problems' concerning the manner in which Nizkor receives
monies from B'nai Brith Canada come thick and fast on Usenet. They not usually
particularly clear. However, the following allegation, which I can neither
verify nor refute, was posted anonymously to Usenet by someone who evidently
does not like Jews but nevertheless manages to outline the gist of what is
perceived to be the difficulty more clearly than most:129
It works like this:
McVay wants money, and solicits donations for Nizkor.
Problem: Potential donors want a tax receipt, and as McVay's Nizkor is a
*for-profit* enterprise, he is powerless to *legally* issue such a receipt
(which provides a tangible financial benefit to potential donors).
No receipts = fewer donors, potentially leaving McVay faced with having to
choose between eating macaroni & cheese, and paying his server fees. :- (
Luckily for McVay, Jews LOVE the little pro-Jewish holocaust propaganda machine
that their favorite Shabbos Goy has cooked up, as they stand to benefit when the
public sympathizes with the image of "Jewish Suffering". (Oy Vey!)
The Jewish B'nai Brith Canada knows well the PR value of the "Holocaust", and
wants to see McVay's propaganda machine succeed, so they agree to *launder*
monies intended for Nizkor through their "non-profit" organization, and issue
tax receipts, which will give incentive to McVay's potential donors.
Problem solved: McVay instructs potential donors to make checks intended for
Nizkor payable to a *third party*, B'nai Brith Canada, and is thus able to
promise these potential donors that a tax receipt will be issued.
Being extremely grateful for McVay's "work", B'nai Brith gladly issues a tax
receipt to the 'donor', and passes the monies on to McVay (less a 5% handling
fee, of course. After all, they're not THAT grateful, and they ARE Jews, aren't
they?). o:-)>
So in the end, everyone wins: McVay gets his 'donation', the 'donor' gets his
tax receipt, and B'nai Brith gets their pro-Jewish holocaust propaganda (and 5%
of the gross). The only one who gets screwed is the Canadian Taxpayer, because
if a 'donor' decides to give McVay's Nizkor $1,000.00, and is issued a tax
receipt for that amount by B'nai Brith, only $50.00 will actually STAY with the
non-profit that issued the receipt, with the balance of $950.00 going directly
to the for-profit Nizkor (McVay), as per their previous agreement.
To put it another way, the Canadian Taxpayer is screwed out of the tax revenue
on $950.00.
This is money laundering in its purest form.
Is this illegal? Probably. (if it isn't, it should be)
Is it fraudulent? In my opinion, definitely:
1) Because McVay offers tax receipts for 'donations' to Nizkor, potential donors
are likely *led to believe* that Nizkor is a non-profit enterprise. It is NOT.
Many donors are likely duped into believing they are contributing to a
non-profit organization.
2) B'nai Brith is issuing non-profit tax receipts for monies intended for
Nizkor, and per prior agreement, 95% of these monies will in fact be passed
directly to Nizkor, a for-profit enterprise. Canadian taxpayers are cheated
because tax receipts have been issued by B'nai Brith which were for 19 times the
value of the monies actually retained by a non-profit enterprise.
Conclusion:
(In my opinion) Ken McVay and B'nai Brith Canada have conspired to dupe
potential donors to Nizkor, and to fraudulently cheat the Canadian taxpayer.
The same poster ('Waldo') had made a similar allegation on 19 May 2001 in a
Usenet post:130
On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!" was posted
to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news story that reportedly ran
in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000. The headline read:
"Huge tax scam exposed
Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"
The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization known as
Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian government by selling $60
million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
businesses who donated to the organization.
In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit Toujours would solicit
donations from members of the Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual amount contributed.
In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited from the receipt of
the actual donation, and the donor would benefit by receiving tax deductions
that, according to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
actually donated.
Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian taxpayers, who
were forced to make up for the tens of millions of dollars worth of tax
deficit caused by this fraud.
This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor, or "The Nizkor
Project", a Toronto area based website run by Ken McVay.
Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to their website is
"Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust victims who suffered and died at the
hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".
The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the Holocaust at the
forefront of the public mind, and battling so-called "Holocaust Deniers":
Revisionist historians, or anyone else who would dare publicly question the
generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust against European Jewry in
the 1930's and 40's.
While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a noble cause, there
are serious questions with regard to the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken
McVay has stated publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a Canadian tax receipt
to any donor who contributes ten dollars or more to the Project.
From the Nizkor website:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]"
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit enterprise issue
Canadian tax receipts?
It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation" with the
pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada", which is
described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer organization dedicated to
combatting antisemitism, racism and bigotry, and to promoting human rights
for all Canadians".
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm
The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a non-profit
organization, and is accepting contributions, and issuing Canadian tax
receipts on the behalf of Nizkor, a for-profit organization.
This raises some very serious questions:
What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between Nizkor and the
League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?
How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and accounted for? Is there a quid pro
quo?
Does the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada retain a portion of
the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?
Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through the League for
Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for which Canadian tax receipts were
issued to donors?
Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated to Nizkor,
donors may be convinced that they are contributing to a non-profit
organization, while Ken McVay has denied Nizkor's non-profit status on
numerous occasions. Does this practice not give the appearance of fraud?
On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify funding its
operations and paying its staff at the expense of the Canadian taxpayer?
What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises who might enjoy
the benefits of receiving funds that are funneled through a non-profit
organization?
For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors and clients of a
Law or Consulting firm to establish an "affiliation" with a non-profit
organization through which all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts
issued?
The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately abused on a regular
basis. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly recently uncovered allegations that the Rev.
Jesse Jackson used tens of thousands of dollars collected under Jackson's
non-profit Rainbow Push organization to pay off his mistress who bore their
illegitimate child. Thus far, the IRS has not investigated Jackson.
In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization was stripped of its
right to issue tax receipts, and fined $400,000, while the "donors" to the
organization were to face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.
Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
of guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?
It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's for-profit
Nizkor are being funneled through the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
Canada, and that Canadian non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.
Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete and detailed explanation of their
handling of the funds earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian
Federal Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation of both
organizations.
Waldo
Observer at LargeIt is also sometimes pointed out that B'nai Brith Canada has
been associated with financial sleaze. Former national vice-president of B'Nai
Brith Canada, Harry Bloomfield, is a convicted criminal found guilty of charges
related to conspiring to aid crooked clients in breaching securities regulations
and tax laws. (Brent Mudry, 'Pertacal ex Bloomfield convicted in major offshore
prosecution', Stockwatch 21 November 2001).
5.7.3. McVay's responses to the attacks
McVay's responses to the attacks were dismissive. In a 21 May 2001 Usenet post,
for example, he wrote:
'What "for-profit organization" might you be referring to, Bubba? The Nizkor
Project? A website?'131
In another post of the same date, he wrote:132
If you feel that the law is being broken, then your duty is clear - you must
report me, forthwith, to Canada Customs and Revenue Agency.
Do let us know what the result is, won't you, Bubba?
However, McVay asserted that Nizkor and McVay did not issue tax receipts in the
following post:133
Mr. Bradbury's problem seems to be that he believes that Nizkor or Ken McVay
issues tax receipts, in spite of having been told that this is not true. Mr.
Grosvenor has made the same rather stupid claim since 1996, but has yet to
provide the proof... heck, I even told Grosvenor _exactly_ how to prove his
case, and he ran for the hills . . . he's STILL running. So I'll make the same
offer to Mr. Bradbury: Donate $10 to Nizkor, using the form provided, and when
you receive your receipt, send it to the Government of Canada in support of your
(libelous) claim. Tell them that the receipt "proves" that Ken McVay and/or
Nizkor issues receipts. As I've said before: Mr. Bradbury is not only too stupid
to understand the answer, Mr. Bradbury is too stupid to understand the question,
too.
5.7.4 The San Antonio Fund
The clearest description of Nizkor's relationship with the San Antonio Fund was
given by the anti-revisionist John Morris in a Usenet post:134
The San Antonio Area Fund is an umbrella organization that puts philanthropists
in touch with charitable and non-profit organizations in need of funds. Here is
the address of their website:
The San Antonio Area Fund - Nizkor Fund was established in the mid-1990s to
create a charitable funding source for Ken McVay's Nizkor Project. Shortly after
the SAAF-NF was established, the principals severed their ties with McVay.
Except for the former registrant of holocaust-history.org, it is unlikely you
will find any connection between SAAF-NF and Nizkor after about 1997.
In fact Nizkor appears to have started soliciting US donations through its SAAF
connection in or around August/September 1996.135
In June 1997, McVay confirmed that 'The ADL is an American organization.
American funds donated to The Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area
Foundation'.136
In January 2001, McVay made the rather surprising statement that:
'The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund'.137
<<Tavish addition:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT End of Tavish addition>>
Mr McVay's assertion that he has never received any money from the San Antonio
Area Foundation was apparently refuted by an article in a San Antonio newspaper,
the San Antonio Express-News dated 3 August 1996:138
Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten Thomas Edwards Express-News
Staff Writer >>
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a solemn promise
Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to the Internet so that people will
never forget the atrocities of Nazi Germany. Now his task has gotten a little
easier with a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation
to the Nizkor Project, an international computer web site directed by the
55-year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.The Nizkor project
not only provides information on Hitler's bloody pogroms but is also intended to
counter the claims of "deniers" (as McVay calls them). . .
(At this point the astute reader might also recall the 8 May 1996 article in
Edmonton Jewish Life, cited above, which said that McVay 'lives on a modest
monthly income of $1500, from a trust fund set up by some wealthy people who've
been very generous and mostly plain folk . . .')
The San Antonio Area Foundation Annual Report 2000 also records a donation given
to Nizkor, further calling into question Mr McVay's honesty on financial
matters139 (and apparently refuting Mr Morris's speculation that links between
Nizkor and the Foundation had been severed in 1997).
Moreover, Nizkor has two servers based at San Antonio in the US, which, as at 17
December 2002, were functioning:
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/search.html
This clearly refutes Ken McVay's assertion that 'The Nizkor Project has no
operations of any sort whatsoever within the United States.'
<<Tavish addition:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:12 GMT
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com> End Tavish addition>>
The above apparently shows that McVay knowingly, deliberately and fraudulently
misrepresents the financial and organizational activities of Nizkor.
Should the San Antonio Area Fund have been funding McVay? The answer appears to
be a clear 'no'. Their Web site contains a section headed 'what we do not
fund'.140 This states, inter alia, that they do not fund
Individuals
or
Political activities and organizations or any propaganda efforts intended to
influence legislation
Both of these categories seem to rule out funding for Mr McVay's Nizkor. Yet,
apparently, he received $50,000 of donors' money. We do not know if the donors
are aware of this. We do not know if the funds' principals are aware of this. We
do not know if Mr McVay has returned the donors' money. We do not know whether
he has been requested to return their money. Readers are invited to contact the
fund at: San Antonio Area Foundation, 110 Broadway, Suite 230, San Antonio,
Texas 78205, telephone: 210-225-2243, fax: 210-225-1980, e-mail:
gi...@saafdn.org, to try to find out.
I sent an e-mail on 8 December 2002 asking the San Antonio Fund about its
support for Nizkor. As at 20 December 2002 my e-mail had received no response,
from which I deduce that they'd rather not talk about it. Perhaps their donors
might like to talk about it - especially the $50,000 of their money apparently
pocketed by Mr McVay.
5.7.5 Ken Lewis's response to the attacks
Nizkor supporter Ken Lewis gave a response in which he states, inter alia:141
. . lets see if we can recap and put this to rest.
1) The San Antonio Foundation is not connected to Ken in anyway.
2) There is no facility whereby citizens of the US can make a tax deductible
donation to Nizkor.
3) Nizkor is a website.
4) Nizkor is not an organization.
5) Nizkor is not a non profit organization nor a charity.
6) Nizkor does not issue Canadian tax deductible receipts.
7) Anyone wishing to make a donation to Nizkor may do so using the format
suggested in funding.shtml on the Nizkor site. (Now pay attention here Scott.
This is where it gets interesting.)
8) B'nai Brith is a non profit organization or a charity (I don't recall which).
9) B'nai Brith is allowed to issue tax deductable receipts.
10) Money donated to B'nai Brith and marked for Nizkor go into an account for
Nizkor (Ken McVay). 11) B'nai Brith is allowed by Canadian Law to issue a tax
deductable receipt for the money THEY received with the request it be given to
Nizkor.
12) NPO's and Charities may dispose of their money in any fashion they see fit.
13) B'nai Brith chooses to give the money they get with the request it be given
to Nizkor to Nizkor.
14) In all cases above where Nizkor is used we are speaking of a person - Ken
McVay.
15) Since Nizkor is not an organization, any money donated to 'Nizkor' and
received by Ken from B'nai Brith must be claimed as revenue on Ken's personal
income tax.
And there you have it, Blubberbury. The whole kit-n-kaboodle. Nothing illegal.
Nothing suspect.
The problems with Mr Lewis's response will now be evident to the reader.
5.7.6 Is Nizkor really just a Web site and not an organization
Is Ken Lewis correct in asserting that Nizkor is merely a Web site and not an
organization?142
Certainly, another Nizkor supporter, Sara Salzman (Schwarz) takes a similar
line:143
'Nizkor has NO employees. Period.'
Ken McVay himself has propounded the 'Nizkor is just a Web site' line
vigorously:144
Nizkor is a website, not a club. Nizkor does not have "members." Nizkor has
volunteers, Nizkor has contributors, Nizkor has supporters, but Nizkor does not
have members, and one cannot "join" Nizkor. Sara Salzman is not only a
contributor and supporter, but a major contributor, having provided thousands of
pages of HTML during the past 6 years. A "member" she isn't. A g*dsend, but not
a member. Ain't no such animal here.
And again:145
'Nizkor is neither a charitable organization or an NPO, that it is, in fact, a
website.'
The following points seem to refute the view that Nizkor is merely a Web site,
as opposed to an organization with a Web site.
1. Mr McVay repeatedly refers to himself, and is referred to by his supporters,
as the 'director' of Nizkor. (See, for example, the front page of Nizkor's main
site at http://nizkor.org.) It is strange that a Web site, which is supposedly
not an organization, should have a 'director'.
2. The mysterious Golan Klinger,146 founder of Vex.net, also refers to himself
as being 'on the board' of Nizkor. It is interesting, nay remarkable, that a Web
site, which is supposedly not an organization, should have a 'board'. (Klinger
is also on the board of iComm). Vex.net gives its address as The Cain Gang Ltd,
207 Gamble Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M4J 2P4, tel. +1-416-609-1502,
+1-416-425-1212, fax +1-416-424-2738.147 It will be noted that Ken McVay has an
e-mail address with Vex.net and that Vex.net also hosts the Web site of B'nai
Brith Canada.148
3. As a result of Usenet discussions between myself , McVay and Yale F. Edeiken,
negotiations were entered into between myself and these individuals regarding a
possible wager between myself and Ken McVay/Nizkor over the authenticity of
tapes purporting to be recordings of Himmler's famous 'Posen speech'. McVay
asked Edeiken to produce a draft contract contractualizing the wager. According
to Nizkor's own Web site, this was 'approved by Nizkor's Director, Ken McVay'
and was 'delivered to Mr. Michael [sic] on March 9, 1999, for his
consideration'.149 The very first paragraph of this draft contract reads
thus:150
The Nizkor Project (hereinafter "Nizkor"), an unincorporated organization based
in Canada and David Michael (hereinafter "Michael") a citizen and resident of
the United Kingdom hereby agree to jointly have the recording of the speech made
by Heinrich Himmler before officers gathered in the Polish city of Posen in
October 1943 and entered into evidence at the trial before the IMT of major war
criminals at Nuremberg and currently held by the U.S. National Archives analyzed
by a recognized laboratory specializing in voice print analysis to determine
whether the voice on said tape-recording is that of Heinrich Himmler.
Now if Nizkor is not, as Mr McVay repeatedly protested, an organization but
merely a Web site, why did a draft contract approved by McVay state quite
explicitly that it was 'an unincorporated organization based in Canada'? And
what was a Web site doing negotiating to enter into a contract?
Even if the above does not show conclusively that Mr Kenneth McVay, director of
Nizkor, is a criminal, it does illustrate conclusively that he is a very, very
dishonest man. Quod erat demonstrandum.
5.8 Encouragement of denial-of-service attacks on opponents
In 1997, Ingrid Rimland provided the world with the following exposure of
Nizkor's encouragement of cyber crime against its opponents.151
Here is a telling follow-up on electronic terrorism involving none other than
Nizkor. Be sure to read it carefully - and act on it if you are so inclined.
You will remember the massive e-mail attack aimed at our California-based
server, Web Communications, in mid-December. For 40 hours straight, an automatic
mailer fired three words - "Denial of Service" - at the rate of 200 e-mail
messages per second at Webcom - an attack which amounted to a staggering 28.8
million letters.
This electronic bombardment shut down the Webcom system and crippled 3,000
websites during the busiest weekend of the Christmas season. The damage to
customers of Webcom must have been in the hundreds of thousands if not millions
of dollars.
This was the second time that Webcom has been so attacked. The first attack came
out of Germany via Deutsche Telekom a year ago in response to an announced and
then hotly denied "debate" with the notorious Holocaust Promotion website,
Nizkor - a website opposing Revisionist websites on grounds that Nizkor's
function is to serve the memory of those who died in the "Holocaust" whom we are
wantonly defaming.
Now keep in mind as you read the information below that Nizkor issues tax
deductible receipt via a certain charitable outfit to people who support their
work. The outfit that collects donations for Nizkor in Canada is called The
Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society. In the United States, donations in
support of Nizkor are being made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund. Both Canadian and American donors may deduct their contributions from
their income taxes.
You will also recall that while trying to contact Nizkor's head honcho, Ken
McVay, for a broadcast interview, Ernst was directed to a mail drop to several
phone message machines. Personal e-mail sent to Ken McVay was answered by none
other than B'nai Brith's chief spokesperson on Vancouver Island, Harry Abrams.
His telephone was answered by a Rabbi Goldberg. Furthermore, McVay is publicly
lionized and promoted on the lecture circuit by B'nai Brith et al - the folks
who like to visit law enforcement quarters to regale them "sensitivity training"
on how to spot and counteract "racists and terrorists."
We understand that Ken McVay and entourage are giving it their all by serving to
protect the Holocaust Lobbyists from having to answer some justified questions,
such as: "Did Six Million Really Die?" For that, they get official kudos from
sundry dignitaries and lots of free publicity from a beholden media. Their
website URL is frequently listed in articles. Ken McVay even got the Order of
British Columbia from the Queen of England for his work.
What seems to have been overlooked until now is the incriminating fact that the
allegedly oh so noble folks at Nizkor, who like to seize the moral high ground
in every argument, store detailed information and instructions on how to engage
in electronic computer terrorism on their websites. This is tantamount to
displaying bomb making instructions on militia sites, which Nizkor's friends
routinely rail about.
This information on the Nizkor website directs people where to find and download
programs needed to execute devastating e-mail bombings. This is distinctly not
an accidental listing because Nizkor submitted it to be placed on its own
website search engine so that potential electronic terrorists would easily be
able to find it.
There comes a point when the public must be allowed to ask: "Where does B'nai
Brith's influence and control over Nizkor begin or end? Does it include an
agenda of electronic terrorism against Holocaust Revisionist websites or
electronic Holocaust Revisionism?
Here is why I ask, in my capacity as the US-based webmaster and editor of the
material posted on the Zundelsite, including "Did Six Million Really Die?"
Immediately after the massive electronic act of terrorism in December, I filed a
formal complaint with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Nanaimo, B.C., asking
that this matter be investigated as a criminal offense. I sent this letter,
which had been carefully prepared with the help of an attorney, to a specific
police officer, addressing him by name. I even sent this letter registered. I
asked for an acknowledgment and action.
Now it is almost three months later. So far, I have not yet received an answer.
RCMP has since been contacted again - still no response.
I will now share the information since obtained with the RCMP as well, as well
as with my readership. The information is as follows:
At http://search.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?miscellany/up-yours-faq, there are explicit
instructions on how to mail bomb an opponent. Below, I quote some excerpts from
a program called "Up Yours".
It tells you where to get it and urges you to download it, as per the following,
replete with misspellings:
Q: What is Up Yours?
A: Up Yours is a program developed by AcidAngel of Global kOS to mail bomb
specific users on the Internet. The present version is 100% completely anonymous
and uses random headers and subject lines and even uses random servers. it
implements a HELO spoofing technique that is next to impossible to trace.
Q: What is a Mailbomb?
A: A mailbomb does not blow up anyones address, Just think if you got 10,000
e-mail messages and had to download them.. Usually this would take down the
server and have the sysop reprimand the user for angering people on the
Internet. Some servers have been downed for weeks that I know of because of
certain users.... (that means no e-mail for anyone on that server)
Q: What is the advantage of using Up Yours?
A: You are anonymous, 100%, and it cannot be traced back to you.
Q: Okay, I'm new to the business, but whats a mailbomner(?) good for???
A: If you have a user that you really want to get revenge against and have his
ISP (Internet Service Provider) get very mad at him/her or you simply want to
cripple the user from recieving e-mail for an extended period of time.
Q: What does up yours now do? how do you run it? Will it jam up someone elses
computer? is it any good?
A: It won't jam up anyone elses computer, it will however trash their mail
server and cripple them getting any mail for a long time... It is the best
war-mailer for Windows 95...
Q: Do I need it? If yes, then why?
A: Of course, if everyone else has a gun why would you want a butterknife?
Q: how much damage will it do?
A: much, very much."
(end of excerpt)
So here you have a "charitable" organization that takes donations and hands out
tax deductible receipts, pretending to champion a worthy cause and high ideals
of truth and justice - and yet has not just the audacity but the terrorist
mentality to advertise and to promote not only how to hurt a dissident with whom
they disagree but how to hurt a server and thousands of this server's totally
neutral, apolitical customers.
That's terrorism. There are six Nizkor mirror sites. Their websites are promoted
in schools as a "legitimate" Holocaust resource by public agencies and
officials.
Are these public officials mere dupes, inflicting on their lower ranks their
brand of political correctness while being fooled by Nizkor's electronic warfare
experts - or worse?
Is someone trying to entice and introduce school children to computer terrorism
- or worse?
The FBI was, and presumably still is, investigating the massive disruption of
Webcom's business. It has already been established that the computers at a
college in Nanaimo, B.C., the city listed as a PO Box mail drop by Nizkor.
played a key function in this crime of electronic terrorism. It would be very
strange indeed if this were a coincidence.
I think both parents and the public, as well as public officials, have a right
to a straight answer - not only from Nizkor about what that electronic terrorism
information, replete with instructions, is doing on their website but also from
educators and government officials who use, promote and champion that website.
Do they condone or even deliberately encourage the learning of computer crime
via Nizkor's websites and its mirror sites to silence political opponents?
I would strongly encourage my readers to contact Staff Sgt. Ken Smith at 303
Prideaux Street, Nanaimo, B.C. Canada V9R 2N3. His phone number is 250-754-2345
and his fax is 250-753-0946. It seems that in the new Canada even the police
needs to be counter-lobbied, since they seem to have been either cowed or
mentally captured by too much "sensitivity training" while closing eyes and ears
to real, 20th century electronic terrorism masquerading as protection of the
"Holocaust".
I want to say in closing that the president of Webcom, Chris Schefler, who is
Jewish, has behaved towards us in an absolutely impeccable professional manner.
We have never received anything but the finest of service from him. Webcom has
stuck to their "freedom of speech" stance even during this second, more vicious,
crippling and financially damaging attack, and even though the owner of this
server disagrees with us and has been greatly inconvenienced. The
irresponsibility that Nizkor has displayed with its listing of instructions on
how to mail-bomb an opponent does not help decent Jews with standards. Or, for
that matter, inter-ethnic harmony. Nor does it aid the "memory of the victims of
the Holocaust" one bit.
Ingrid
It should be noted that, as of December 2002, the link to
http://search.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?miscellany/up-yours-faq was still functional.
To the material on mailbombs Nizkor had added the following note:
NOTE ADDED MARCH 4, 1997: This information is here because Nizkor was the VICTIM
of a mailbomb delivered with this software. Ingrid Rimland's assertion, today,
that we are suggesting USING the software is a lie, and only illustrates how
desperate she is to avoid discussion.
So there, dear reader, is Mr Kenneth McVay's honest explanation. He was
providing information on how to mailbomb people not because he wanted to
supporters to mailbomb people but, rather, because someone else mailbombed him.
Right.
6. CONCLUSION
From the above it is quite clear that Mr McVay surrounds himself with a web of
dishonesty, half-truths and misrepresentations, most of which can be easily
exposed with a little good research. It is hardly surprising, therefore, that
elements of the Canadian Jewish community, together with the anti-revisionists
associated with the Holocaust History Project and anti-revisionists such as
Cecelia Clancey have sought to distance themselves from this man. That such a
sleazy creature should be the foremost exponent in Canada of the memory of the
Jews who died in World War Two is an insult to Jewish people throughout the
world.
It is important to draw parallels between the McVay phenomenon in Canada and the
Searchlight phenomenon in England. The parallels are striking. In both cases we
have organizations dominated by one powerful personality (Gerry Gable being
Searchlight's equivalent of McVay in many respects). In both cases the
organizations claim to research the 'extreme right' and to provide information
thereon for educational and law-enforcement purposes. The 'research' provided by
Searchlight appears to be as awful as that provided by Nizkor.152 Just as
Nizkor's McVay appears to have links with the security and intelligence
community, so it has been alleged that Searchlight's Gable has links with the
security and intelligence community.153 Both organizations keep extensive
dossiers on people and do not hesitate to smear and attempt to intimidate and
discredit their opponents - the similarity in their tactics is quite remarkable.
And Gable has shown himself to be as dishonest as McVay. He has also shown an
equal, if not greater, contempt for the law.
Both men fight by attacking reputations. It is, in a sense, war by libel, made
possible primarily by the sheer difficulty and cost involved in securing a
successful libel judgement in British and Canadian courts. And it is a powerful
strategy. The idea is that by destroying the good name of their victim they will
prevent the general public from even beginning to listen to the victim's
arguments. Not only that but their victim will be forced to spend considerable
time and energy defending himself against the sustained onslaught rather than
propagating his ideas (a point that is often forgotten by victims who wade
boldly into battle).
However, these people are not invulnerable. The watchers can be watched, they
can be exposed, and they can be subjected to public ridicule. After all, from
this day onwards it will be difficult for anyone to listen to Ken's stern
allegations of 'anti-Semitism' and 'hate speech' without that pesky image of a
naked Humpty Dumpty popping up . . .
Despite the foregoing, it is my firm belief that, by concentrating on
personalities rather than ideas, the libel warriors are fighting a losing battle
in the long term. You can destroy a man's reputation but his ideas, if they are
good and well presented, will live on. And the sheer sleaze associated with the
libel warriors is such that serious people of goodwill everywhere will not take
them seriously once they are made aware of the full facts - which has been my
business in this report.
APPENDIX - NOTE ON USENET AND WEB CITATIONS
The notes below contain extensive references to material posted to the Internet
either in the form of Usenet contributions or on Web cites. This goes with the
territory: McVay works primarily on the Internet.
Usenet citations give the name or pseudonym of the poster together with a
message ID and a date. To retrieve the message from the material given readers
should preferably use the Google search engine's advanced group search facility
at http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en
The full message ID for the post to be retrieved should then be entered into the
box labelled 'message ID' and the 'enter' or 'return' key pressed.
It is possible for Usenet messages to be deleted or 'nuked' by someone using the
same user name as the person who originally posted a particular message.
However, if this appears to have happened, type the message ID into the box
labelled 'find messages with the exact phrase'. This should retrieve any posts
by other users quoting the original post that has been deleted. These might well
quote the deleted message in full.
Similarly, Web pages come and go. To retrieve a Web site that appears to have
been deleted or altered, use the Internet Archive Wayback Machine at:
http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html
This is far from perfect insofar as it fails to archive many important pages,
however it is a valuable resource despite its shortcomings.
Notes
1 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1994Nov22....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 22 November 1994.
2 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1993Mar03.2...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 3 March 1993.
3 See http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
4 ibid.
5 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec09....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 9 December 1992.
6 The Idler 1(15) (5 July 1999), see
http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html.
7 See, for example, http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/BigBrother/ and also
http://www.crr.ca/en/Publications/bibliography/ePub_BiblioAntiRacPracPart1.htm.
8 See, for example, http://www.media-awareness.ca/eng/speakers/names/mcvayk.htm.
9 This is at http://www.nizkor.org/awards.html.
10 See http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
11 See http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/gbu.html.
12 See http://web.archive.org/web/20010404030356/www2.ca.nizkor.org/~kmcvay/
and/or http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
13 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <1...@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 3 February 1991.
14 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1991Nov07.1...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 7 November 1991.
15 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <846975973$65...@atype.com>#1/1. Date 2
November 1996.
16 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1991Nov07.1...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: 7 November 1991.
17 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <846975973$65...@atype.com>#1/1. Date 2
November 1996.
18 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Apr05.1...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: 5 April 1992.
19 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <846975973$65...@atype.com>#1/1>. Date 2
November 1996.
20 The Idler, 1(15) 5 July 1999,
http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html, and
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
21 Usenet post by Ken McVay, Message ID:
<1992Apr28.0...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>, date: 28 April 1992 states: 'I was
married to a teacher for 25 years, and fought with her constantly about the
problems I observed from that vantage point.' Usenet post by Kenneth McVay,
Message-ID: <1993May16.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, date: 16 May 1993, also
mentions his divorce.
22 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Feb29....@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 29 February 1992.
23 See http://web.archive.org/web/20010516030208/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/,
http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/. See also Usenet post by Ken McVay, Message-ID:
<1992Oct28....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, date 28 October 1992.
24 Usenet post by Lisa Graham. Message ID: <k05c2B...@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca>.
Date: 1 April 1993.
25 Usenet post by Lisa Lambeth (formerly Graham). Message-ID:
<33A5D7...@nanaimo.ark.com>#1/1>. Date: 16 June 1997.
26 Usenet post by Lisa Graham. Message ID: <g7T42B...@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca>
Date: 16 April 1993.
27 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <4...@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 7 March 1991.
28 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <telecom1...@eecs.nwu.edu>. Date:
9 June 1991.
29 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <1...@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 3 February 1991.
30 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <1...@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 31 January 1991.
31 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec03....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 3 December 1992.
32 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <846975973$65...@atype.com>#1/1>. Date:
2 November 1996.
33 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <1...@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 31 January 1991.
34 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<4quf4a$6...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>#1/1>>. Date: 27 June 1996.
35 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <846975973$65...@atype.com>#1/1>. Date:
2 November 1996.
36 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec03....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 3 December 1992.
37 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec03....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date 3 December 1992.
38 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Oct28....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 28 October 1992.
39 See http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
40
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/press/polish-american-journal-0195.html.
41 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Sep08....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date 2 September 1992.
42 This is all listed at
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
43 See
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/press/canadian-business-96.html.
44 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Oct26.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 26 October 1992.
45 See http://www.compcocity.com/EJL/april/MCVAY.htm.
46 See http://www.island.net/~kmcvay/schedule.html.
47 See http://safelist.kiosk.ws/members/aboutus.cgi?kaybe74,
http://www.wwkiosk.com/about_wwkiosk.html.
48 See http://webpositiongold.kenmcvay.com/partner-webpositiongold.htm.
49 See http://www.pro-list.net/members/marketadvisor/testimonials.html.
50 See http://www.brobeck.com/publications/pr_individual.asp?newsItem=archPR3.
51 See http://www.tripleyourmoney.com/42469KE.
52 See http://www.smart-list.com/members/wired2cash/newuser.shtml.
53 See http://www.myebizpage.com/?id=wired2cash.
54 See http://web.archive.org/web/20010404030356/www2.ca.nizkor.org/~kmcvay/.
55 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Oct26.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 26 October 1992.
56 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <<Message-ID: <1...@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 31
January 1991.
57 The Idler, 1(15) 5 July 1999,
http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html.
58 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <6na02u$n25$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>.
Date: 30 June 1998.
59 See http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
60 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec17.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 17 December 1992.
61 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1993May06....@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date 6 May 1993.
62 See 'Bouqets and brickbats', Montreal Gazette, 15 October 1994. See also
'Holocaust defender', The Globe & Mail, 18 October 1994. See further 'Internet
warrior takes on Holocaust revisionists', The Sacramento Bee, 16 December 1994.
63 Canadian Business, 69 (5) (special technology issue), Spring 1996.
66 See http://www.island.net/~kmcvay/schedule.html.
67 See
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/#TRIVIA.
68 See http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/toronto.star.22mar99.html.
69 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <4...@oneb.UUCP> Date: 7 March 1991.
70 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <846975973$65...@atype.com>#1/1>. Date:
2 November 1996.
71 Usenet post by person using the name 'Thomas Schwann'. Message ID:
<3590664e...@news.mindspring.com>. Date: 24 June 1998.
72 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <6na02u$n25$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> 30
June 1998.
73 Maclean's Magazine 17 October 1994, p. 6.
74 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message-ID:
<1993May27.0...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 27 May 1993.
75 'Holocaust defender', The Globe & Mail, 18 October 1994.
76 See http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/bootboy.html.
77 Canadian Business 69(5) (special technology issue), Spring 1996: 12.
78 See http://www.compcocity.com/ejl/april/mcvay.htm.
79 Usenet post by Jamie McCarthy. Message ID:
<jamie-03129...@clmx43.dial.voyager.net>#1/1. Date: 3 December 1996.
80 See http://web.archive.org/web/19970721011509/www.nizkor.org/funding.html.
81 See http://www.cjnews.com/pastissues/99/oct21-99/front3.htm.
82 See http://web.archive.org/web/20000831185852/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.
83 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>. Date: 26
June 1990.
84 See http://www.safe4kids.org/law/code1.htm.
85 See, for example, Usenet post by Ken McVay, Message ID: <1...@oneb.UUCP>, date:
24 April 1990, in which our noble anti-Nazi hero holds forth on rape and
pillage.
86 See http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html.
87 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <7b54ua$282n$1...@hub.org>. Date: 26
February 1999.
88 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <8a8etv$cm0$1...@news.tht.net>. Date: 9
March 2000.
89 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <rwfy9.80$pn3.12...@news.nnrp.ca>.
Date: 6 November 2002.
90 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1993Apr16.0...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 16 April 1993.
91 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1991Nov07.1...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 7 November 1991.
92 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Apr17.0...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 17 April 1992.
93 See http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/5338/.
94 See http://www.pitt.edu/~cacst9/KKK/.
95 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<16...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. Date: 9 March 1994.
96 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<17...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. Date: 23 March 1994.
97 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<18...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. Date: 30 March 1994.
98 Usenet post by Ken McVay.Message ID: <6jq7io$a75$1...@news.trends.ca>#1/1 >.
Date: 18 May 1998.
99 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<6ka5dp$lsj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>. Date: 24 May 1998.
100 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<6k9r6t$7tg$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1. Date: 24 May 1998.
101 Usenet post by John Morris. Message ID:
<365f8857...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>#1/1>. Date 8 November 1998.
102 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <8gbmet$2jer$1...@news.tht.net>#1/1>.
Date 22 May 2000.
103 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<8gc648$a7b$1...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>#1/1 >. Date: 22 May 2000.
104 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <4qk1md$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.
Date: 23 June 1996.
105 See http://www.efc.ca/pages/pr/ostrich.html. This was reposted to Usenet by
McVay, Message ID: <4t2qun$5...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>#1/1 >. Date: 23 July 1996.
106 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/8237/kenmcvay.htm
107 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <6a0cb4$5n1$1...@news.trends.ca>#1/1>>.
Date: 19 January 1998
109 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <79rac7$2uk2$2...@hub.org>#1/1>. Date: 10
February 1999.
110 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <7k1bcp$1b2b$1...@hub.org>#1/1 >. Date 13
June 1999.
111 Usenet post by John Morris. Message ID:
<etvq1usln4onl8ccr...@4ax.com>. Date: 17 December 2001.
112 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <83bbpm$2jk4$1...@news.tht.net>#1/1 >.
Date: 16 November 1999.
113 Usenet post by David Gorski using the pseudonym 'Orac'. Message-ID:
<Orac_USA-06A1B4...@news.earthlink.net> >>. Date: 16 December 1999.
114 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <83ji7n$1cdt$2...@news.tht.net>#1/1.
Date: 19 December 1999.
115 Usenet post by Yale F. Edeiken..Message ID: <385b...@news3.enter.net>#1/1.
Date: 18 December 1999.
116 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <83ghsq$d6h$3...@news.tht.net>#1/1 >.
Date: 18 December 1999.
117 Usenet post by John Morris. Message ID:
<nmvn5soabo2otnfq5...@4ax.com>#1/1>. Date: 18 December 1999.
118 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <83i20c$2fjd$1...@news.tht.net>#1/1 >.
Date: 19 December 1999.
119 See http://www.iahushua.com/BeWise/april95.html.
120 See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/michael-david/.
121 Usenet post by David E Michael. Message ID: <3cdc...@212.67.96.135>. Date:
11 May 2002.
122 Usenet post, Message-ID: <35F99A...@cableinet.co.uk>. Date: 11 September
1998.
123 See
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-RA.01.
124 See
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1.
125 Usenet post by David E Michael. Message ID: <3dc7...@212.67.96.135>. Date:
5 November 2002.
126 Usenet post by Steven Mock. Message ID:
<Xns92BDC2683A11...@128.100.132.28>. Date: 6 November 2002.
127 Usenet post by Michael Ragland. Message ID:
<35a8d44b.02110...@posting.google.com>. Date: 8 November 2002.
128 See http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html.
129 Usenet posting by anonymous poster using the pseudonym 'Waldo'. Message ID:
<3dec39da$0$1...@news.impulse.net>. Date: 2 December 2002.
130 Usenet posting by anonymous poster using the pseudonym 'Waldo'. Message ID:
<3b075c6f$0$1...@news.impulse.net>. Date: 19 May 2001.
131 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9ec24t$26ms$1...@news.tht.net>. Date:
21 May 2001.
132 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9ec1m6$26kk$1...@news.tht.net>. Date:
21 May 2001.
133 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9cv32d$1ln2$1...@news.tht.net>. Date
4 May 2001.
134 Usenet posting by John Morris. Message-ID:
<vnd5vuk7ttseh6fbv...@4ax.com>. Date: 8 December 2002.
135 Usenet posting by Jamie McCarthy. Message ID:
<jamie-03129...@clmx43.dial.voyager.net>#1/1>. Date: 3 December 1996.
136 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<5n6ib9$f3h$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>. Date: 5 June 1997.
137 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9334lf$1nlt$1...@news.tht.net> Date:
4 January 2001.
138 San Antonio Express-News, 3 August 1996.
139 See http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf.
140 See http://www.saafdn.org/Pages/grantsframes.html.
141 Usenet posting by Ken Lewis. Message ID:
<3b73dbf4....@news.abccom.bc.ca>. Date: 8 August 2001.
142 ibid.
143 Usenet post by Sara Salzman/Schwarz. Message ID:
<schwartz-270...@cmh-p074.infinet.com>#1/1. Date: 27 August 1996.
144 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9vmbo7$2jpv$1...@news.tht.net>. Date: 18
December 2001.
145 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9d1n89$2bv1$1...@news.tht.net> 5 May
2001.
146 See http://www.icomm.ca/founding-board.html.
147 See http://www.vex.net/contact.py.
148 See http://www.bnaibrith.ca/nfindex.htm.
149 See http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/edeiken-yale/.
150 See http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/edeiken-yale/draft-00.html.
151 See http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1997/zg9703/970304.html.
152 See the excellent research on this by Al Baron, for example at
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Embassy/2634/searchliar_1.html.
153 See, for example, anarchist material on this at
http://www.spunk.org/library/antifasc/sp000525.html. See also Larry O'Hara's
extensive document on Searchlight at http://www.greenanarchist.org.uk/Sfb.htm.
<End of David Michael material>
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Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
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Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT
----NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay's Numerous Lies Regarding His Funding----
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Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
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Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
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B'nai Brith also funded communist David Lethbridge:
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Subject: B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
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Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:45 GMT
Tavish
Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)
David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant
If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org
Posted by: Boris Dynin = NAMBLA executive &
Henry<her...@mindspring.com> who like
late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: bo...@movil.com , or even
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco 94132
Ken McVay invites callers to his homosexuals escorts office:
1-250-616-9431
Or, VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: kr...@ualberta.ca, or phone to work:(780)492-0473
For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com
Or, other useful websites include:
National Alliance - www.natvan.com
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natvan.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay. May he rot in hell.
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