CAIR: Another Magazine Defames Prophet Muhammad
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In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
CAIR Action Alert
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Alert #104
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ANOTHER MAGAZINE DEFAMES PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)
(WASHINGTON, DC - 7/1/96) - An article in the latest issue
(July 8) of The New Republic magazine defames the Prophet
Muhammad by claiming he violated the Treaty of Hudaybiah.
In that article, the writer, Yehoshua Porath, Professor of
Middle Eastern History at the Hebrew University of
Jerusalem, states: "...Arafat repeatedly equated the Oslo
agreement with the Khudaybiya (sic) agreement, which
the prophet Muhammad concluded during his wars with the
Quraysh tribe. Muhammad broke the agreement eighteen months
after its conclusion, when the balance of power changed in
his favor, and it has become a guiding precedent in Islamic
law for how to deal with non-Muslim powers." (July 8, 1996,
p.9)
"This is a bold-faced lie that is obviously part of a
campaign to falsify history and to serve the political
interests of a foreign government. This campaign will not
succeed if Muslims take the time to respond to each and
every false allegation," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad
Awad.
As CAIR reported recently when another magazine editor made
a similar claim, the Prophet Muhammad never broke any
agreement. In that instance, U.S. News & World Report (June
24) had to retract its accusation of deceit on the part of
the Prophet. They said, "...We deeply regret any ambiguity
in the language...it was the Meccans, not the prophet
Muhammad, who broke the peace of Hudaybiah of 628."
The following is an outline of the events surrounding the
Treaty of Hudaybiah: 1) The Prophet and his companions were
prevented by the pagan Arabs from performing their
pilgrimage to Mecca (Umrah). Instead of fighting, and
despite the willingness of his followers to enforce their
religious rights, the Prophet chose a peaceful settlement.
2) Two years later, the pagan Arabs broke the treaty by
attacking and killing 20 allies of the Muslims as they
slept. 3) Even after this attack, no bloody revenge was
taken against those who broke the treaty. In fact, when the
Muslims finally entered Mecca, amnesty was granted to nearly
all former enemies. (references: Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Saad,
Al-Hakim and Bukhari)
The Quran states: "Yes, whoever fulfills his pledge and
fears Allah much; verily, then Allah loves those who are the
pious." 3:76. Also: "And fulfill (every) covenant." 17:34
ACTION REQUESTED: (Be firm, but POLITE.)
Call, write, fax, or email The New Republic to demand an
apology and a retraction.
Contact: Mr. Martin Peretz, Editor-in-Chief, The New
Republic, 1220 19th Street, NW, Suite 600, Washington, DC
20036
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In <4r9e08$r...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> ca...@ix.netcom.com(CAIR )
writes:
mostly secondaary. I would believe the account if those who reported
on the breaking of the treaty were muslims and pagans. But as it is I
only see muslims. So I cannot trust them, it may all be biased for
that matter to keep the picture of their prophet clear.
rro...@ibm.net
In <4r9e08$r...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, ca...@ix.netcom.com(CAIR ) writes:
>In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
>
>CAIR Action Alert
>Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
>Alert #104
>1511 K Street N.W., Suite 807, Washington, D.C. 20005
>Tel: (202) 638-6340 Fax: (202) 638-6412
>
>ANOTHER MAGAZINE DEFAMES PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)
>
>(WASHINGTON, DC - 7/1/96) - An article in the latest issue
>(July 8) of The New Republic magazine defames the Prophet
>Muhammad by claiming he violated the Treaty of Hudaybiah.
>
The fact that a so called prophet of God (Muhammad) waged war or threatened
bloodshed with an army after Christ's life and teachings tells me he was a fraud
and not worth any discussion anywhere. This, by the way, is the primary reason
most westerners treat the Islamic religion as a sick joke. After all the whole
Islamic religion is based on coersion.
Khurram Muhammad
rro...@ibm.net wrote:
>
> In <4r9e08$r...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, ca...@ix.netcom.com(CAIR ) writes:
> The fact that a so called prophet of God (Muhammad) waged war or threatened
> bloodshed with an army after Christ's life and teachings tells me he was a fraud
> and not worth any discussion anywhere. This, by the way, is the primary reason
> most westerners treat the Islamic religion as a sick joke. After all the whole
> Islamic religion is based on coersion.
You seem to think that westerners are at the apex of civilization and that whatever
they think determines what is right or wrong. Isn't that a big statement to make
especially when you consider the fact that west is at the height of moral
degeneration and has always been at the forefront of practicing racism (even their
religios institutions either kept quiet or endorsed ethinic/religious cleansing in
different periods of time - go and read some history before making claims). Are these
a part of your relgion too? With all the things that you think about yourself and
your culture, it may come as a shock to you how the people in ex-western colonies
view them. The most common words of expressions are cunning, cruel, calculating,
morally degenerate. I guess in English and French schools, they teach their kids that
colonization is the best thing that happened to those sorry states. Isn't that a
joke! You seem to have graduated from a similar place. :-)
Someday, when you will finally grow up (I hope that day arrives before you pass over)
you will realize that the best attitude in life is of being tolerant towards other
people, even if they do not believe in what you believe in, and to try to understand
why they follow whatever they follow. You can become a better person if you try to
take the best of everything. Making presumtuous and silly comments will not make you
appear "cool" if that is what you think you are.
Khurram
A. N.
rro...@ibm.net wrote:
> The fact that a so called prophet of God (Muhammad) waged war or threatened
> bloodshed with an army after Christ's life and teachings tells me he was a fraud
> and not worth any discussion anywhere. This, by the way, is the primary reason
> most westerners treat the Islamic religion as a sick joke. After all the whole
> Islamic religion is based on coersion.
You don't consider Muhammed to be a prophet because he was involved with a war
followers of Christianity? That's assuming that the message Christ gave was
unchanged. Part of the reason that Muhammed came was that Jesus's message was
changed and not valid anymore.
What in Islamic teachings (not history) show it to be based on forced beliefs?
A. N.
Kabeer Punjabi
A. N. wrote:
>
>
> You don't consider Muhammed to be a prophet because he was involved with a war
> followers of Christianity? That's assuming that the message Christ gave was
> unchanged. Part of the reason that Muhammed came was that Jesus's message was
> changed and not valid anymore.
>
> What in Islamic teachings (not history) show it to be based on forced beliefs?
>
> A. N.
Gentleman,
You have already confessed in another post that you know very little
about Holy Qu'ran. Islam is an off-shoot from Judaism. The Jews used
Hebrew as their prime language so Arabic became the language to unite
Arabs. Yahwe was Jewish god so Allah became Islamic God.
Jesus was not a competitor to Mohammad at all. Mohammad was trying to get
Jews in his flock. The Kibla was moved from Jerusalem to Mecca only when
Mohhamad realized that he cannot lure Jews to be followers.
FYI, only Jews and Muslims follow male circumcision and not Christians.
Mohammad was born as a Jew. His mother died as Jewish and he refused to
see her burial site because she never embraced Islam.
Gentleman, before talking forced beliefs, please learn what documented
beliefs are.
Kabeer
Kabeer Punjabi
ghen...@khan.u-net.com wrote:
>
> OOOOH! You really hate muslims don't you??
> Yet another missionary with no answers to Islam, but to attempt to
> slander it. Well I've got news for you ! All of your miserable efforts
> are futile, you succeed only in showing your hatred and ignorance.
> The joke is on you!!
>
> ps. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!!!
> Christianity is declining before your eyes!
Gentleman,
Black Muslims in America conviniently forget that their ancestors were
traded by Muslim Arab dealers. Slave trade was controlled by Muslims over
the centuries. If you need more info, please read the following article.
If you don't like Jesus, that's your choice. If you want to follow
Islam, that's your choice again but know the facts before making
statements.
Kabeer
==========================
Headline: Slave Traders in (Islamic) Sudan - A challenge met
Source : The Augusta Chronical
(also appeared in Gannette news service papers on Sat. June 29, 1996)
Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan has egg on his face today. And
the press, especially the Baltimore Sun, can take great pride in the
embarrassment it should cause him.
The situation is reminiscent of 1988 Gary Hart episode, when the
Democrat's leading presidential contender flippantly challenged reporters
to catch him in an adulterous liaison- and they did. This time, Farrakhan
dared the press to prove there are Islamic Arab Slave traders in Sudan-
and the Baltimore Sun did just that.
While on a visit to the Sudan, Farrakhan was asked why he denounced U.S.
slave practices that ended the last century while ignoring the ongoing
slave trade of his Sudan hosts.
"Where is the proof?" and irritated Farrakhan snapped. Baltimore Sun
Foreign correspondent, Gilbert Lewthwaite, and columnist Gregory Kane,
accepted the challenge. they flew into the Sudanese interior where they
paid $500 each to buy two African slaves , ages 10 and 12, from Islamic
Arab slave traders.
Today the youngsters are back at their homes, safely in the hands of
their grateful parents. If they're lucky, may be they won't be snatched
up again by Farrakhan's friends in Islamic Sudan.
ghen...@khan.u-net.com
rro...@ibm.net wrote:
>The fact that a so called prophet of God (Muhammad) waged war or threatened
>bloodshed with an army after Christ's life and teachings tells me he was a fraud
>and not worth any discussion anywhere. This, by the way, is the primary reason
>most westerners treat the Islamic religion as a sick joke. After all the whole
>Islamic religion is based on coersion.
OOOOH! You really hate muslims don't you??
Jochen Katz
In article <4rsap7$d...@nuntius.u-net.net>, ghen...@khan.u-net.com writes:
> rro...@ibm.net wrote:
>
> ps. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!!!
> Christianity is declining before your eyes!
interesting how very much Muslims think differently about this issue.
Just read what 'myname' wrote in his strange anonymous posting. I am
not sure everything in there is correct [actually, I am convinced that
there is quite a bit of slander and twisting the facts in it -- why on earth
does he have to post anonymously in the first place? ] but nevertheless,
it is a Muslim panicking that the Christians have grown 400% in Bangladesh.
So much for decline before your eyes.
The article is the one with the title "Christian NGOs..." if you want to read
it.
Christianity is indeed declining in some countries in the West, but it has
dramatic growth in other parts of the world. It is far from dying off.
Marwan Marwan
don't both religions pray to the same god? duhhhh, what's wrong with
you people..........
In article <4rsap7$d...@nuntius.u-net.net>, ghen...@khan.u-net.com says:
>
>rro...@ibm.net wrote:
>
>
>>The fact that a so called prophet of God (Muhammad) waged war or threatened
>>bloodshed with an army after Christ's life and teachings tells me he was a fraud
>>and not worth any discussion anywhere. This, by the way, is the primary reason
>>most westerners treat the Islamic religion as a sick joke. After all the whole
>>Islamic religion is based on coersion.
>
>OOOOH! You really hate muslims don't you??
>Yet another missionary with no answers to Islam, but to attempt to
>slander it. Well I've got news for you ! All of your miserable efforts
>are futile, you succeed only in showing your hatred and ignorance.
>The joke is on you!!
>
>ps. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!!!
>Christianity is declining before your eyes!
>
>
marwan marwan
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Jochen Katz
In article <31E28E...@ecn.purdue.edu>, Khurram Muhammad
<khu...@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
> Kabeer Punjabi wrote:
> > Black Muslims in America conviniently forget that their ancestors were
> > traded by Muslim Arab dealers. Slave trade was controlled by Muslims over
> > the centuries. If you need more info, please read the following article.
> > If you don't like Jesus, that's your choice. If you want to follow
> > Islam, that's your choice again but know the facts before making
> > statements.
> Are you alledging that people taken as slaves from Africa were originally
> slaves and that it was just a change of their masters. Now that's a big
> breakthrough in history! I thought that they were captivated by the whites as
> has always been portrayed in the history that is commonly known. In fact, the
> same is portrayed even in literature/novels written about origins of African
> Americans.
>
> Perhaps, you have misunderstood what really is happening in Sudan at present.
> The same thing is happening in India and Pakistan (or at least was happening
> till a couple of years ago) where girls from Bangladesh were lured in to
> providing jobs in India/Pakistan, kidnapped and sold in these two countries.
> That too is a slave trade. So does that mean that slavery has long been
> practiced in these two countries as well? That pretty much puts these three
> countries in the same league, doesn't it?
>
> Khurram
I don't think you understood Kabeer's point. He said that many Black African Muslims
point the fingers at Christianity as if the "Whites" / "Christians" were the (only)
ones responsible for the slavery into which their ancestors were sold.
In fact, as far as I know, Arab Muslims have had a great share in the capturing
and transporting of the slaves within Africa and bringing them to the coasts,
where they then were picked up by the "Christian" slave traders and shipped to
the Americas. No, the Blacks of Africa have not been always slaves, I don't know
how you read this into Kabeer's article. But they have been caught and afterwards
did indeed change masters several times until they reached their final destination.
Now, what is happening in Sudan currently? Tell us. As far as I know, there are
lots of Arab Muslim slave traders [from Northern Sudan] kidnapping children from
the southern Sudanese tribes [which are Christian and or belong to Animist
religions].
And the fact that there is modern slavery in Pakistan and India [which I cannot
verify, but might well be true] doesn't say anything about what has been there
before. That there is slavery at a certain place at a certain time doesn't allow
any conclusions what happens at this same place at other times in past or future.
No, if what you say is true, then Pakistan/India situation is certainly bad, but
it is not in the same league. In Sudan it is raiding troops that come in and
kidnap the people, they are not lured with promises, it is pure violence.
I don't say it is endorsed by Islam, I don't blame Islam for it, but it is
current Islamic reality and the wholesale denial of it by many Muslims is a shame.
I have heard so often that Muslims praise Sudan for implementing the full Shariat
and that is one of the true Islamic states... If that is indeed true Islamic,
then help us God, and may we be saved from "true Islam".
I know it is not endorsed by most Muslims "in theory", but it is not spoken out
against by them and the fact that the dictators in the Sudanese government are
struggling to islamize the Sudan seems to excuse all brutality and excesses
committed. If unChristian 'Christians' have practiced slavery, then that is
blamed on Christianity as a whole, if Muslims practice slavery, then the blind eye
is turned, since after all they are Muslims and one Muslim shouldn't accuse another
Muslim...
Khurram Muhammad
asad
On Mon, 08 Jul 1996 23:06:38 -0700, Kabeer Punjabi
<Kab...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>ghen...@khan.u-net.com wrote:
>>
>> OOOOH! You really hate muslims don't you??
>> Yet another missionary with no answers to Islam, but to attempt to
>> slander it. Well I've got news for you ! All of your miserable efforts
>> are futile, you succeed only in showing your hatred and ignorance.
>> The joke is on you!!
>>
>> ps. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!!!
>> Christianity is declining before your eyes!
>
>Gentleman,
>
>Black Muslims in America conviniently forget that their ancestors were
>traded by Muslim Arab dealers. Slave trade was controlled by Muslims over
>the centuries. If you need more info, please read the following article.
>If you don't like Jesus, that's your choice. If you want to follow
>Islam, that's your choice again but know the facts before making
>statements.
>
>Kabeer
>==========================
>Headline: Slave Traders in (Islamic) Sudan - A challenge met
>Source : The Augusta Chronical
>(also appeared in Gannette news service papers on Sat. June 29, 1996)
>
>Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan has egg on his face today. And
>the press, especially the Baltimore Sun, can take great pride in the
>embarrassment it should cause him.
>
>The situation is reminiscent of 1988 Gary Hart episode, when the
>Democrat's leading presidential contender flippantly challenged reporters
>to catch him in an adulterous liaison- and they did. This time, Farrakhan
>dared the press to prove there are Islamic Arab Slave traders in Sudan-
>and the Baltimore Sun did just that.
>
>While on a visit to the Sudan, Farrakhan was asked why he denounced U.S.
>slave practices that ended the last century while ignoring the ongoing
>slave trade of his Sudan hosts.
>
>"Where is the proof?" and irritated Farrakhan snapped. Baltimore Sun
>Foreign correspondent, Gilbert Lewthwaite, and columnist Gregory Kane,
>accepted the challenge. they flew into the Sudanese interior where they
>paid $500 each to buy two African slaves , ages 10 and 12, from Islamic
>Arab slave traders.
>
>Today the youngsters are back at their homes, safely in the hands of
>their grateful parents. If they're lucky, may be they won't be snatched
>up again by Farrakhan's friends in Islamic Sudan.
I heard that you can buy a 13 or 14 years old little girls in idia,or
other starving countries, mainly from a poor family that has no choice
but to do that, hopping they all might have a better life. I also
heard that some kids get sold to americans (out side and inside the
USA) for adoptions. (some even kidnapped) And no matter what is or
was the reason,Islam rejects any kind of slavery in any shape or form,
including purchasing goods that made by some kind of slavery.
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Khurram Muhammad
Jochen Katz wrote:
>
> In article <31E28E...@ecn.purdue.edu>, Khurram Muhammad
> <khu...@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
>
> I don't say it is endorsed by Islam, I don't blame Islam for it, but it is
> current Islamic reality and the wholesale denial of it by many Muslims is a shame.
> I have heard so often that Muslims praise Sudan for implementing the full Shariat
> and that is one of the true Islamic states... If that is indeed true Islamic,
> then help us God, and may we be saved from "true Islam".
>
Good, so we get our facts straight that slavery is not endorsed by Islam. You must
understand that many practicing Muslims just fear God and try to practice the religious
teachings believing that these teachings revolve around practicing good ways and that
by practicing them they can become better, more compassionate human beings. I am sure
followers of other religions feel the same way about their own religions. However,
lately, so much effort is being put by western media into portraying Muslims as "bad
guys" that many of them have become sensitive about cristicism. One way of hitting
under the belt is to talk about two unrelated issues and trying to connect them so that
a person who has no knowledge about that subject becomes biased against them. This is
an objectionable practice. For example, you start off with admitting that slavery is
not endorsed by Islam and conclude your paragraph by saying that implementing Shariat
is bad. This is self-contradiction, however, a person having no knowledge about Islam
get biased against the term Shariat, whereas neither you nor he/she understands what
Shariat actually is. It is like pre-deciding the conclusion and filling up details
later. BTW there is no true Islamic state in the world, all muslim places are full of
hypocrites in power who try to use anything they can to remain in power. You will be
surprised to know that irrespective of which place you choose to live in, people are
the same everywhere. They have similar dreams, similar concerns and similar
frustrations.
> I know it is not endorsed by most Muslims "in theory", but it is not spoken out
> against by them and the fact that the dictators in the Sudanese government are
> struggling to islamize the Sudan seems to excuse all brutality and excesses
> committed. If unChristian 'Christians' have practiced slavery, then that is
> blamed on Christianity as a whole, if Muslims practice slavery, then the blind eye
> is turned, since after all they are Muslims and one Muslim shouldn't accuse another
> Muslim...
No, people are not blind at all. Any such practice must always be condemned strongly.
As I said earlier, most Muslim states are run by hypocritical rulers who are not the
best muslims you can find in those countries. There are people who speak against evil
in every country irrespective of what faith is cherished by them. However, not every
thing is black-and-white. Things normally have colors and rather then condemning their
faith or these people is not the right attitude. Many factors complicate the scene and
can only be understood once you live there with them and experience the fears and
pressures endured by them on a day-to-day basis.
The mention of slavery in context of christianity was not meant to blame it on
christianty. It was simply meant to demonstrate that christians, when talking down to
no-christians tend to think that their faith is immaculate. It is not - and you seem to
agree. History teaches us that religion has mostly been used as a tool to control
people more tan any thing else. In christianity, such usage has been rather more
prominant historically. That is perhaps the reason why christians pushed religion with
in the walls of churches and removed it from governing their lives.
To sum it up, let us agree on one principle. People are not flaw-less, and connecting
religions/religious beliefs to people is perhaps unwise. Talking down to a group of
people presuming yourself/your faith to be flaw-less should be avoided at all costs
becase that only results in raising more conflicts and less rational discussions. More
wise people try to understand things in a much wider perspective rather than the
scenario presented to them by a magazine or a newspaper.
Khurram
Abdur-Rahman
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All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
Heavenly Salutations and Peace be upon the Messenger of Allah
and upon his family, his noble companions
and all those who follow them in righteousness until the Day of Judgement.
Chritianity was spread by the sword causing many a civilisation to become
extinct.The Christian Missionary media would like to paint Islam with the same
brush.
LEARN TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES!
The following is a glimps of what some prominant non-Muslims have said:
1. M. K. GANDHI "I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword
that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme for life. It was the
rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous
regard for his pledges , his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his
intrepodity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission.
THESE AND NOT THE SWORD, CARRIED EVERYTHING BEFORE THEM AND SUMMOUNTED EVERY
TROUBLE.". Young India, 1924
2. EDWARD GIBBON: "The greatest succes of Mohammed's life was effected by
sheer moral fprce WITHOUT THE STROKE OF A SWORD.". History of the Saracen
Empire, London, 1870
3. A. S. TRITTON : "The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword
in one hand and the Qu'ran in the other is QUITE FALSE.". Islam, London,
1951, Page 21
4. DE LACY O'LEARY : "History makes it clear, however, that the legend
of fanatical Muslims, sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the
point of the sword upon conquering races is ONE OF THE MOST FANTASTICALLY
ABSURD MYTHS THAT HISTORIANS HAVE EVER REPEATED.". Islam at Crossroad, London,
1923, page 8
5. K. S. RAMAKRISHNA RAO : "My problem to write this monograph is easier
because we are not generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and
much time need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam.
THE THEORY OF ISLAM AND SWORD, FOR INSTANCE, IS NOT HEARD NOW IN ANY
QUARTER WORTH THE NAME. The principle of Islam that "there is no compulsion
in religion" is well known.". Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, Riyadh, 1989,
Page 4
6. JAMES A MICHENER : "No other religion in history spread so rapidly as
Islam_. The west has widely that this surge of religion was made possible by
the sword. NUT NO MODERN SCHOLAR ACCEPTS THAT IDEA and the Qu'ran
is explicit in support of the freedom of conscience.". Islam - The
Misunderstood Religion, Readers' Digest (American Edition) May 1955.
7. LAWRENCE E. BROWNE : "incidentally, these well established facts DISPOSE
OF THE IDEA so widely fostered in Christian writings that the MUSLIMS,
WHEREVER THEY WENT FORCED PEOPLE TO ACCEPT ISLAM AT THE POINT OF
THE SWORD.". The Prospects of Islam, London, 1944
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This is a response (by Anthony (Abdur-Raheem) Green) to one of the tracts
distributed by the "Pharisee" Joseph Smith "al Kathaab" :
"An African Asks Some Disturbing Questions of Islam."
This pamphlet is just one example of the hypocrisy, lies and falsehood of the
Christian missionaries, and in particular the infidel Smith, whose papers are
rampant with such falsehoods. We pray that Allah allows us to expose every
single one of their lies to the world, and especially to those who innocently
trust their slanderous writings, so the truth of the reality of these worst
of created beings can be known.
The Bible says a lot of nice things, but it also contains some horrifyingly
brutal and racist comments as well. The fact is that Western Christianity
has often used the Bible to support its racist ideals. Indeed the God of the
old Testament often seems to be portrayed as an exclusive God of the
Israelites:
"There is no god in all the earth, but in Israel." Kings 5:15
and
"You (children of Israel) are a holy people unto the Lord your God, The Lord
has chosen you to be a special people that are upon the face of the earth."
Deut.7:6
Some of the sayings attributed to Jesus seem to reflect this attitude. When a
non-Jew Samaritan asks him for help he refers to them as dogs. Jesus also
stated that he was only sent to the lost sheep of the children of Israel.
Interestingly, the passage where he is supposed to have told his disciples
to "go unto the nations" is not to be found in any of the most ancient
manuscripts and is now considered spurious.
Furthermore, the concept that Jesus was the acclaimed "Son of God", and so
called "manifestation of God" does have some racist overtones. i.e. that God
made flesh was a Jew.
Now concerning the Cushite wife of Moses mentioned in Numbers, without trying
to dismiss entirely the proposition that "the God of the Bible hates racism"
the context seems to be more suggestive that God's anger was for their
upsetting Moses than any hatred of racism. Not that I believe the Bible is
inherently racist (God's favour to the Israelites has other acceptable
explanations) but there has been a history of racism associated with
Christianity that has caused many to flee, and often in great numbers to
Islam. What follows in:
"A disturbing question concerning the Muslim Quraan"
is illustrative of the idiotic type of polemic these monkeys use in their
desperate attempts to slander God's final revelation, the Quraan. The verse
quoted (3:106-107) clearly has nothing to do with skin colour or race. If a
white man was thrown into a fire, what colour would he become? And if a dark
skinned person were to be put under an intense light, his skin would shine
with that light. What's racist about that? Interesting enough there is
another passage in the Quraan which the Black Nationalist "Nation of Islam",
another group of perverters of the true meanings of God's word, use to
support their racist ideals that all white men are dammed. This verse
describes the unbelievers on the day of judgement as being blue eyed! In fact
the words are only common Arabic idiomatic usege to describe terror, as in
english the term "green with envy". Only misguided fools would use such
passages to support claims of racism. It becomes all the more incredible in
the light of the clear verse of Quraan that states:
"We made you into tribes and nations that you may get to know one another.
(no that you may despise one another) And the best of you in the sight of God
are the most God conscious."
And the well known authenticated statement of the Prophet:
"There is no difference between the white and black, the Arab and non-Arab,
except in taqwa(God consciousness)."
and also the verses of Quraan that clearly state that it is a revelation for
all mankind, that all mankind is descended from Adam and Eve, and Adam was
made from dust, are more than sufficient proof to dispel concerns of racism
in the Quraan or the religion of Islam. Furthermore , the lack of racism is
something found practically manifested amongst the Muslim nations, as
epitomised in the Hajj, where pilgrims from all over the world join together
in the worship of the One True God, Allah, dressed in the same two pieces of
seamless white cloth. This sight was enough to change Malcom X from a racist
black nationalist to a true Sunni Muslim. (see his autobiography)
How could this Christian be blind to these facts, when even the scholars
amongst his co-religionists have recognised the distinctive non-racial
quality of Islam.
"The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the
outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is a
crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue." Civilisation on
Trial. Professor A.J. Toynbee.
"No other society has such a record of success in uniting in an equality of
status, of opportunity and endeavour so many and so varied races of mankind.
The great Muslim communities of Africa, India and Indonesia, perhaps also
the small community in Japan, show that Islam has still the power to
reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition." H.A.R.
Gibb,Whither Islam.
It seems to me that Banda is either wilfully blind, or merely trying to
slander Islam with anything he can lay his hands on, and if he can't find
anything he'll happily lie and invent it! We need to ask if this is truly
the way of one who claims to be a follower of the "Prince of Peace", the one
who praised meekness, humility, honesty and Justice, and condemned the lying
hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees? This Christian writer reeks of that
very same type of lying hypocrisy that Jesus was so vocal in condemning. In
the light of what we have discovered so far, can we trust those comments that
follow?
In the next section
"A disturbing Question Concerning African HISTORY"
Banda is puzzled about the lack of unbiased historical research by Muslims
concerning the African peoples. We have already witnessed how "unbiased"
Banda has proved to be, and his own complete lack of objectivity will become
even more apparent when we further examine his claims.
The fist lie we find is in his accusation that Islam destroyed the African
churches. If he means by that that Islam destroyed them because when Islam
came people voluntarily left Christianity in droves and embraced Islam
through their realisation that it is indeed the true religion, then
emphatically YES. And no Muslim would fail to be proud of that. But this is
not what Banda means, as he clearly shows further on when he gives his
reasons for the disappearance of the Christian Church as forced conversion
and slaughter at the hand of the Muslims. This, you guessed it, is another
complete lie. De Lacy O'Leary wrote in his book on Islam:
"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon
conquered races is one of most fantastically absurd myths that historians
have ever repeated."
The Quraanic verses Banda quotes are, of course, quoted out of context, and
the correct understanding is established by reference to other Quraanic
verses and the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed. Without a doubt Islam calls
upon Muslims to fight against the forces of disbelief, oppression and
tyranny. This is nothing new. In fact Banda could find some even more
brutal verses in his own book if only he had eyes to see.
"And the Lord said, "Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare,
neither have you pity. Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little
children, and women." Ezekeil 9:5
And as for not taking as friends those who have insulted Allah by saying
that He has a son and committed the crime of ascribing divinity to His
creation, the ultimate evil, then does not Paul say something similar:
"Do not be yoked together with the unbelievers. For what do righteousness
and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with
darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:17
What becomes almost laughable is when he quotes the names of so called
"African" Christians, such as Augustine of Hippo(who mother's name was Monica
and father Patricius), Tertullian,Clement and Athanasius. Now do they sound
like African names to you? A little "unbiased" historical research will show
the origins of these names and the racial origins of these "great thinkers".
They are Greek and Roman colonialists, which is rather like quoting Pit
Bota, or Cecil Rhodes as founders of "African" civilisation. Now for a real
"African" church we might turn our attention to Ethiopia, but the Christian
would rather ignore that, since Negus, the King of Abassinia at the time of
Mohammed saws and a good number of his bishops and many of the Abassinians
became Muslim, voluntarily, having recognised Mohammed as a true Prophet.
Indeed large numbers of the Muslim armies that liberated North Africa from
the tyranny of the Christian Byzantine Empire were Abassinian. The very same
Roman colonialist stock that Banda quotes as examples of "African"
Christianity actually complained to the Muslim Ameer about the large numbers
of blacks in his army and asked him to keep them well away because they were
frightening them.
"Take away that black man, I can have no discussion with him," exclaimed the
Christian Archbishop Cyrus when the Arab conquerors had sent a deputation of
their ablest men to discuss terms of surrender of the capital of Egypt,
headed by Negro Ubadah as the ablest of the all.
To the sacred archbishop's astonishment, he was told that this man was
commissioned by General Amr; that the Moslems held Negroes and white men in
equal respect-judging a man by his character and not by his colour.
"Well, if the Negro must lead, he must speak gently," ordered the prelate,
"so as not to frighten his white auditors." (S.S.Leeder ."Veiled Mysteries
of Egypt.)
Furthermore Banda and his Evangelical brethren must be walking around with
blinkers on their eyes and cotton wool in their ears when he asks "so why do
we not here of this African Church, and why do we not see any remnants of it
today?" I lived in Egypt for ten years. One third of the population, after
one thousand four hundred years of Muslim rule is still Coptic which is one
of the oldest Christian Churches. I passed their Churches many times and
visited their monasteries in the dessert. The Ethiopian church is still
existing, as are the Catholic, Orthodox, Syriac, Maronite and numerous other
churches still existing all over the lands liberated by the Muslims.
Historical records show that Christian churches actually wrote to the Muslims
inviting them to come and liberate them from the tyranny of their Christian
brethren the Byzantines! Banda goes so far as to expose himself with a
blatant contradiction when he mentions the three Christian mini-states of
Sudan having their own written language, centres of learning etc...from 300AD
to 1500AD, yet claims that it was all destroyed by Muslim invaders in 1275AD?
As for the present war we ask all enquiring minds to ponder what peace
loving, turn the other cheek, resist not your enemies Christians are doing
fighting a civil war against the legitimate government of Sudan, and what the
peace loving, turn the other cheek, resist not your enemies European and
American Evangelical Christians are doing funding these rebels. It is also
note worthy that over half deaths in that civil war, and much of the
destruction, has been caused by rival Christian groups fighting each other!
I suggest anyone who is interested in reading a truly unbiased account of
the treatment of Christians by the Muslims get hold of "The Preaching of
Islam" by T.W.Arnold. Alexander Powell says in his book "The struggle for
power in Muslim Asia": "In their wars of conquest, however, the Muslims
exhibited a degree of toleration which puts many Christian nations to shame."
Through my reading of J.Smith's papers I have developed a method for
predicting Evangelical Christian lies about Islam. When you read "The
Muslims say..." or "the Muslims believe..." or something similar, then there
is about an eighty five percent chance that what will follow will either be a
complete lie or a gross distortion. The section on Slavery is an excellent
example. In the second line he states that, concerning slavery, wait for it
"Muslims say it was only a Christian phenomena." Do they? Which Muslims is
he talking about? I don't think that there is any Muslim that says it was
only a Christian phenomena since slavery existed before Christianity came
along. The facts are that the Bible, both the old and New Testament approve
of slavery and there is not one single Biblical verse condemning it. The only
verse that comes within a hundred miles is Paul's recommendation to
Christians to try and free themselves if they are slaves because they should
be slaves to Christ alone. In fact Biblical teachings approve of slavery
and even enjoin it. If the hypocrite Banda condemns Islam because of slavery
then he also condemns his own Book. Lets browse through a few examples:
"And the Lord said unto Moses, "Avenge the children of the Mid'an-ites...They
warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay the
males. And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took
the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly
castles with fire. Moses said, "Have you saved all the women alive? Now
kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that has known a
man by lying with him, but all the young girls keep alive for yourselves."
Num 31:1
"When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to
it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all people
who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But
if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it...you shall put all
its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and
everything else in the city all its spoil, you shall take as booty for
yourselves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies."
oh no! That's the Old Testament cries the Christian! The New Testaments has
replaced all that! Not so. Paul actually instructs the flock on how to
behave as slaves:
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity
of heart, just as you would Christ...Serve wholeheartedly...And masters,
treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them..."
Ephesians 6:5
Nota Bene: Paul does not order Christian masters to release their Christian
slaves, just to be nice to them!
What reeks even more of hypocrisy is that Banda tries to use the secular
Western nations condemnation of slavery to show how "Christianity" condemned
slavery. Yet this very liberal, non-literal, non Biblical based form of
Christianity followed by the likes of Livingstone and Wilberforce is the very
type of Christianity these evangelicals like Banda and his bunch so
vehemently attack for their understandable refusal to believe the Bible is
the word of God, and their readiness to accept the modern scientific
criticisms of the Biblical texts. When one shows the short comings and
corruption of Imperialism and the Western consumer societies they cry "this
is not Christianity and they are not true Christians." But when, as in this
article, they wish to condemn Islam or any other religion, they produce
statistics to show how much better the "Christian" Europe is. They want to
keep their cake and eat it. Now lets not all forget the USA fought a civil
war against the Southern "Bible Belt" States only one hundred years ago, and
partly over the issue of slavery (Southern white Christians approved of it,
and found support in the Bible).
Islam does not encourage slavery, nor does it forbid it. It does however,
encourage the freeing and kind treatment of slaves. A slave in Islam is
treated as a member of the household, and must be fed with the same food and
clothed with the same clothes as the master or mistress. It is forbidden to
overwork a slave and the slave has the right to buy his or her freedom and
the owner does not have the right under law to refuse. In fact the way slaves
have been treated in Islam, as one European writer commented, was better than
the way servants were treated in Europe.. Slavery in Islam has never been a
racial issue. In fact the North African black Muslims as well as the Turks
and Mongols had Caucasian slaves. Those are the facts. As for slavery being
a means of people coming to the true religion, then I swear by Allah, on the
day of judgement Banda himself will wish he had been enslaved and become
Muslim, than meet Allah as a Christian.
Culture and Conclusion.
Banda's "truth tract" proudly points out that Moses was married to a Cushite
"African", according to the Bile. Muslims also believe in Moses, and in fact
the Prophet Mohammed described Moses as being black with curly hair. Further
more, this same truth tact completely fails to point out that Abraham was
also married to an "African", Haggar, who's son is Ishmeal, from whom the
Ishmealites, the Arabs, and thus the Prophet Mohammed himself, is descended.
J.Smith, one of the Evangelicals responsible for other "truth tracts", is in
love with a book called the Haggarienes, which was another name for the Arabs
who are therefore named after an African. This title "Hagariens" was used by
the Christians as a derogatory term against the descendants of a son and
daughter of Africa, as was the term Saracens, which means "rejected by Sara".
Now a close look at Christian/Pauline theology concerning Abraham and Haggar
and Ishmeal, would leave one wondering why Sara's racism went unpunished?
Islam teaches the true history, corrupted by the Jews and Christians, of
Abraham and Ishmeal. It was Ishmeal, the half African, who was the first son
of Abraham. It was both Abraham and his half African son Ishmeal that were
tested and favoured by Allah. It was Abraham, the friend of God, and his
half African son Ishmeal that raised the foundations and built the first
house, the Kaaba, for the worship of the One True God, Allah. Mohammed,
descendant of Ishmeal, returned the Kaaba and the world to the pure
monotheism of Abraham. It is in this same city, Mecca, whenever anyone visits
they must circanambulate the Kaaba, and make "saiee", that is running between
the two hills of Saffa and Marwa in remembrance of Haggar, daughter of
Africa, who ran form one hill to the other looking for help, as Ishmeal lay
crying in the sand. It is from the well of Zamzam that every pilgrim drinks,
where none other that the angel Gabriel dug with his wing and the water
started to flow, and Haggar and Ishmeal drank. What better reason can one
think of for the sons of Africa to turn there to pray?
As for the "Arab dress" which Banda complains that has to be worn (another
lie!) is no different from that which was worn by Jesus, and most of the
people of north Africa and Ethiopia. In fact Nigerian and East African
Muslims have their own, immediately identifiable African dress.
As for Banda's other idiotic statements, then the Quraan is also translated
into many languages, and no Muslim doubts that Allah can speak and understand
every language also, but Allah, in His infinite wisdom, chose to reveal His
final revelation in the Arabic tongue, and He has preserved that language.
Banda talks about his Bible, but compare some of these translations with
their "most ancient manuscripts" which are in Greek (not an African language
I think) which its self was not the original language of Jesus and the
Prophets, you will see how they have fulfilled exactly God's accusation in
the Quraan of changing and perverting God's word. Now if Banda and his like
have so little regard for God that they feel free to pervert his message,
then do you think they will feel shy to lie to you and me? Banda and his
evangelical bunch do not love the truth, nor do they love you. They love
only their father, the father of lies, the devil, who wants to mislead you
from the true religion, the pure monotheism of Abraham and Ishmeal and
Mohammed.
As for Banda's final question, I will let some unbiased non-muslims answer:
"Truly, if the question must be put, whether it is Muhammadan or Christian
nations that have done most for Africa, the answer must be that it is not the
Christian.....
.....Christian travellers, with every wish to think otherwise have remarked
that the Negro who accepts Mohammadanism acquires at once a sense of dignity
of human nature not commonly found even among those who have been brought to
accept Christianity. Here we find in Central Africa, the use of decent
clothing and the arts of reading and agriculture attributed to Islam. A
religion which indisputedly has made cannibalism and human sacrifice
impossible, which has introduced reading and writing and, what is more, which
had forbidden and to a great extent, has abolished immodest dancing and
gambling and drinking, which inculcated upon the whole a pure morality, and
sets forth a sublime and at the same time a simple theology, is surely
deserving of other feelings than the hatred and the contempt which some
portions of our religion's press habitually pour on it." Mohammed and
Mohammedanism Rev.Bossworth Smith.
"As a religion the Mohammedan religion, it must be confessed, is more suited
to Africa than is the Christian religion; indeed, I would even say that it is
suited to the world as a whole." The Sphere, Lancelot Lawton.
wa hamdulillahi rabil al ameen, and all praise is due to Allah, Lord of all
the worlds.
----------------------------- END ----------------------------------
Amadou Wane (GE)
I agree with most of what was said, except when you said that st Augustine
and others prominant African Christian weren't Black because of there
Greek name. I must remind you that at that time it was the norm to have a
Greek name. A Greek name does not necessarily make you White.
Salam.
Abdur-Rahman
> ____when you said that st Augustine
> and others prominant African Christian weren't Black because of there
> Greek name. I must remind you that at that time it was the norm to have a
> Greek name. A Greek name does not necessarily make you White.
True. A Greek name does not nesseccitate that prominent African Christians were
white, but the geographical, social-political situation and the racism of the
Church nessecccitates that they were.
Jochen Katz
In article <837442...@benman.demon.co.uk>, Abdur-Rahman <Ara...@benman.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> > ____when you said that st Augustine
> > and others prominant African Christian weren't Black because of there
> > Greek name. I must remind you that at that time it was the norm to have a
> > Greek name. A Greek name does not necessarily make you White.
>
> True. A Greek name does not nesseccitate that prominent African Christians were
> white, but the geographical, social-political situation and the racism of the
> Church nessecccitates that they were.
>
>
> Abdur-Rahman. M'bro, U.K.
> ___________________________________________________________________________
For a good part of my life I have been [and still am] in multi-racial churches.
The fact that you have deep seated prejudices doesn't make your opinions facts.
I agree that there has been at different times and in different places
racism in the church, but it is not "the racism of the church". Otherwise the
existence of racist Muslims would just as well mean that Islam is racist
by nature. And I am not making this up, I have seen enough postings of
Muslims complaining and being deeply hurt about the racism of their Muslim
brothers.
And yes, there are lots of black bishops. I don't know about this specific
one, but that isn't even the issue. Many Christians took/take on Christian
names at there conversion, just as many Muslims do still today.
Many of these names are Arabic and an Arabic name does not at all mean that
the bearer of this name is an Arab.
And on top of the whole discussion: Augustinus is a Latin name, not a Greek one.
Jochen Katz
http://www.math.gatech.edu/~jkatz/Islam/
Jochen Katz
In article <837707...@benman.demon.co.uk>, Abdur-Rahman <Ara...@benman.demon.co.uk> writes:
> In article <4ses5n$d...@mordred.gatech.edu>
> jk...@math.gatech.edu "Jochen Katz" writes:
>
> > In article <837442...@benman.demon.co.uk>, Abdur-Rahman
> > <Ara...@benman.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > >
> > > > ____when you said that st Augustine
> > > > and others prominant African Christian weren't Black because of there
> > > > Greek name. I must remind you that at that time it was the norm to have a
> > > > Greek name. A Greek name does not necessarily make you White.
> > >
> > > True. A Greek name does not nesseccitate that prominent African Christians
> > > were
> > > white, but the geographical, social-political situation and the racism of
> > > the Church nessecccitates that they were.
> > >
> > >
> > > Abdur-Rahman. M'bro, U.K.
> > > ___________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > For a good part of my life I have been [and still am] in multi-racial churches
>
that Christianity is racist, for example. Something which is thrown at me by
Muslims all the time. Especially black Muslims. It might not be your opinion,
but I guess it is, from what you write below.
> > I agree that there has been at different times and in different places
> > racism in the church, but it is not "the racism of the church".
> Whats the problem? Did i say all Christians and all Churches everywhere and at
> all times are racist?
> NEVER did i say such a thing. READ THE CONTEXT. We are talking about the Church
> of the colonial Roman Empire, and that Church alone.
No, you have to go back and see what you wrote and let me quote verbatim:
"... and the racism of the Church nessecccitates that they were [white]."
You said "THE racism of the Church" and not "racism within this specific church".
You put the determinative article before the word racism which means that this
is something "naturally" belonging to the Church. Further you put let the word
"church" start in upper case letter, which means that you are talking about the
universal Church, and not just a local congregation.
> > Otherwise the
> > existence of racist Muslims would just as well mean that Islam is racist
> > by nature. And I am not making this up, I have seen enough postings of
> > Muslims complaining and being deeply hurt about the racism of their Muslim
> > brothers.
> No you could never say Islam is racist by nature because unlike Christianity,
> Islam, the religion, is based upon divine inspiration alone i.e. The Qur'an and
> the Sunna (example of the Prophet Muhammad).
> And the Qur'an and the Sunna condemn racism outright.
Well, the Bible does too. The fact that there are nevertheless racist "Christians"
does not blot that out. And it might be that Qur'an and Sunna condemn it, but there
are nevertheless plenty of racist Muslims.
Just look at reality, not theory. And be fair and compare Biblical values to
Qur'anic values and Christian practice to Islamic practice. Don't compare the
Islamic ideal to the Christian abberations, or Islamic utopia to sins committed
by (nominal or misguided) Christians against their the command of God in their
own scriptures.
You would not like me to compare the actual cruelty of real life Muslim terrorists
to the lofty ideals of Jesus in the sermon of the mount. Let us compare things on
an appropriate level. Not the best of one side against the worst of the other.
Agreed?
> As Christianity has, however, been shaped by 'Church fathers' and continues to
> be adapted and modified, the writt of the Church is SACRED LAW.
> Throughout history many groups and societies have used Biblical
> verses to justify racism.
Okay, let me ask you: If you ask the Muslims in Sudan, who sell slaves, don't
you think they will find Islamic reasons to justify this? I can promise you,
they will.
> Islam is not moulded by its followers, so if you find a racist Muslim then
> he/she is a sinner to be condemmed, not the other way around.
> Islam is a club, you are only a member if you play by the rules.
well, what is so different with the church?
If you don't want me to judge Islam by looking at those who claim to be Muslims,
then please grant the Christians the same. It is hypocritical to set up different
standards to force a good outcome for your side and a bad one for the others.
> > And yes, there are lots of black bishops. I don't know about this specific
> > one, but that isn't even the issue. Many Christians took/take on Christian
> > names at there conversion, just as many Muslims do still today.
> Again this is a non-issue. Am i going to deny that the Companions of the
> Prophet sought refuge in the BLACK Christian Kingdom of Abbysinia?
So? Black bishops and church leaders are a non-issue? But black leaders in
the Muslim community, even among the companions of Muhammad do prove the
non-racism of Islam?
> > And on top of the whole discussion: Augustinus is a Latin name, not a Greek
> > one.
> I never said it was Greek, read again.
Did I say that you did? This was just a general comment on what went before.
I didn't accuse of you any mistake in this regard. Read again. :)
Jochen Katz
Omid Safi
Dear friends:
Salam! I wanted to inform you that tonight on PBS there is a
showing of an interview with the prominent Islamic scholar Dr. Seyyed
Hossein Nasr. The interview is part of the series called "Searching for
God in America." I believe that it is coming on (at least on the East
Coast) at 10 p.m. Eastern Time. The previous scholars are members
interviewed have represented a wonderful insight into the dilemma facing
a quest for spirituality in America. Many of us are looking forward to
the interview with Dr. Nasr as he is well-known as presenting a
sophisticated, intellectually profound and spiritually insightful
perspective on Islam. Hope you enjoy it.
If you happen to miss it tonight, PBS usually re-broadcasts their
shows at some point during the next week.
I would love to see some feedback from the group on those who
happen to see this presentation.
love for all,
walk in light.
a friend,
omid
Khurram Muhammad
With regards to:
Jochen Katz wrote:
>
> that Christianity is racist, for example. Something which is thrown at me by
> Muslims all the time. Especially black Muslims. It might not be your opinion,
> but I guess it is, from what you write below.
>
> > > I agree that there has been at different times and in different places
> > > racism in the church, but it is not "the racism of the church".
Please help me understand if the following are not true and constitute
misconceptions.
1) The word GENTILE is unique to OT and Bible. Doesn't the
differentiation of people as Gentiles and non-gentiles (based on race
only) not a racist concept? Does it not show that their are people
"incharge" or religion who decide when it should be open to other races?
Who are they to decide? If they have seen the light, who gives them
authority to determine whether others deserve to see it or not, and
when? This is the inherent racism ingrained in the religion, if you can
see it. e.g. Wasn't there a time when the church considered whether
"Blacks" should be allowed to join Christianity?
2) I agree that racist practices are found everywhere as isolated
incidents. If a society discourages and dislikes them, it is fine. But
wasn't the entire American society (or atleast a major portion)
consituting whites (I use this term only in context of history) would
even punish their slaves severely for trying to learn to read (even
Bible)? If it is untrue, you can become very rich by claiming law-suits
against several movies/programmes which show occurances.
3) In old American society, were the people not seggregated in church
based on their color. I can understand isolated incidents. But
collective incidents do stem from cultural perjudices. Why did the
church kept quiet about it if it was so much against Christianity?
4) What is a black church? Why is a church not just church? What is the
philosophy of a colored church in a (proclaimed) non-racist religion.
Will your heaven have black, white, oriental colonies too? How about
hell? Gentile and non-gentile portions there too?
5) Note that I have only lived in America and Australia (in west). I am
not attempting to put these countries down. Present day America is far
anti-racist than many other countries. But, no thanks to
christianity/christian teachings. Orthogonally originated philosophies
of equal rights is responsible for making positive changes and these
people were definitely not from the church.
Further remember that this discussion is in context of your
qestion/comment and I am only trying to say that these are not just
prejudices, there is a lot of substance/truth to them. Also, I may be
wrong in interpreting many things that I have mentioned. But these
feelings have originated in me, not from reading anti-christianity books
(for which I have no time), but by living amongst them and by observing
things around me. If something is strictly against a relgion, how can an
entire community practice it, even in religious places of worship? It
simply does not add up. In contrast, Islam is free of any such
prejudices. We do not have colored mosques. We have inter-racial
marriages without any problems (except for adjustments in diet). We pray
together wherever we are - and color concept never even crosses our
minds. I think it is a good idea to post the last message of prophet
Muhammad (PBUH) which is almost considered as his will. He
emphathetically proclaimed in his message that "No Arab is better than a
non-Arab and no Black is any better than a white" which still echos in
our minds. That was a part of his message delivered about 1500 years ago
which has ever since been ingrained in psychology of muslims. BTW, Quran
has several mentions of equality of all races and people and the above
is not the only source. However, the message was considered so important
that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made it a point to mention it
emphathetically on his death bed.
6) In Australia, the ab-origines were mass-murdered. Even today, where
missionaris are eager to "score" by making more of such people christian
(just like the scored by converting captured people from Africa to
chritians), they ar not entertained in pubs. Three years ago, a famous
rock-star Yothu Yindi was refused drinks in a pub in Melbourne despite
the fact that he is very famous in Astralia. Australians are not racist
towards immigrants in general, but when it cmes to aborigines, I see
their faces droop, their voice change and they consider them people of
low itelligence. This is a cultural practice, that I felt, not isolated
events. I don't say that all Australians are like that, but this is what
I felt and my friends did too. If Christian teachings were so stern
against racism, these things should not occur on such a mass level.
Do not take it as an attack on your religion. We can learn a lot from
each other if we learn to respect each other. However, the things I have
mentioned above will be difficult for you to defend.
Khurram
pharaoh chromium 93
Chapter XI
DISMEMBERMENT AND DISFIGUREMENT
The answer to the riddle of the generally feeble pulse of religion in
the modern age has been compounded out of the material adduced in the
preceding chapters. But there are many distinct doctrinal items the
corruption of the significance of which is a strong ancillary cause of
the reduced power of ancient faith, and one of these can now be
enunciated. In the light of extended exposition we shall be able to see
why it was that the gods' descent into our realm, heralded by angel
hosts as the event of supreme omen thus far in the history of the globe,
has failed to bring to every mortal the climactic joy it was designed to
release. It will be seen why the celestial tidings proclaimed of old to
bring an era of peace and good-will to all men have stirred us so
faintly. A false theology has stepped in between the supernal messengers
and the minds of the sons of earth to dull the thrill of the "good
news." On the day of the Advent heaven's arches rang with the
proclamation of peace and amity among men on the basis of the fact that
a fragment of divinity had been lodged in the holy of holies of the
temple of each human body. Emanuel had come to dwell with man. But the
exuberant joyousness of all mortal hearts over the event has been
clogged. No longer the substance but only the shadow of the truth
remains to kindle Yuletide ecstasy. The allegory of the birth in the
stable or cave was devised to keep mankind in exultant memory of its
divinity. Alas! It speaks no more of our divinity. It extols the godly
nature of but one. The paeans of sacred hilarity that are raised for the
birth of our Savior are appropriate and efficacious only as that Savior
stands as symbol of the glorious birth within ourselves. Long ago
Angelus Silesius, a Christian mystic, admonished Christendom:
"Though Christ a thousand times in Bethlehem be born,
But not within thyself, thy soul will be forlorn;
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The cross on Golgotha thou lookest to in vain
Unless within thyself it be set up again."
If the birth of the god in each individual heart is not the interior
meaning of the Nativity, then we celebrate the event to no purpose. No
amount of adoration accorded to a newborn king in Judea will avail to
redeem a single wayward heart if the Christ Child is not eventually
domiciled in the breast of the individual. The King of Righteousness
must be cradled in the manger of each human self ere the myth can work
its magic in the world.
This miscarriage of the vital significance of the event has come about
entirely through the desuetude of the doctrine that may be denominated
by the Greeks' philosophical term, the god's dismemberment. The
reconstruction of pristine wisdom can not be encompassed without the
rehabilitation of this great doctrine. Sunk entirely out of sight, its
restoration to its integral office in the body of theology will enable
that science to function again with the semblance of its former power.
For the god came to earth not in his entirety, not in his single deific
unity, but torn into hosts of fragments, grouped in twelve principal
divisions. How could he hope to enter every mortal life, to tabernacle
in every breast, if he came as one unit? This is just the mistake that
Christian doctrinism made, fatal to humanity at large. It is a matter of
simple logic. To be the divine guest in every human life he had to
suffer fragmentation into as many portions as there were to be mortal
children for him to father, in order that each might possess a share of
his nature. This procedure was necessitated by the conditions extant.
The terms under which the law of incubation operates require that the
forces of life on any plane must take rootage in the soil of the kingdom
below, as the sheer seeds of their own capabilities, and fragment their
unity by division to accommodate their higher potencies to the lesser
capacities of the lower organisms. These could not carry the heavier
voltage of life in its unitary volume on the plane above. Man on earth
could never implement and incorporate the full power of heaven. The
embodiment of superior force in less capacious vehicles is accomplished
by the partition of that upper unity into fragments, after the analogy
of the oak tree in its annual production of a thousand embryonic units
of its potential nature, each of which, when incubated in the mothering
womb of the soil below it, is capable of regenerating its dying
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parent. And so every divine son of God raises his Father from the dead,
as did Jesus and Horus. The god in man can not move across the dividing
line between the kingdoms, stepping from the divine level down into the
human, without suffering a dismantling of his integrity and a
partitioning of his "body" into a multitude. He must experience a
diminution of his intellectual genius analogous to what a human mind
would suffer if it was to be incorporated in the brain of a dog. And
Daniel does say this very thing! "An animal's mind shall be given unto
him." Only a portion of the god's intellectual light, and that reduced
in strength and luminosity, could function in the brain mechanism of
animal man. In short, the gods could not transplant their full and
mature selfhood into man, but only the seeds of its next cycle of
growth. Indeed all projection of deity outward into matter is in
embryonic form. Divine thought is sent out to take root in matter, there
to have its cycle of new growth. The analogy of the oak and its acorns
leaves nothing wanting for understanding of the evolutionary method. And
it clarifies for us the incarnation, as being the planting, germinating,
budding and flowering in mortal life, of the seed-germ of divinity.
Jesus is the embryonic deity, born in the crib or crypt of man's mortal
nature.
Clement of Alexandria, describing the sacra of the Mysteries, speaks of
those who ignorantly worship "a boy torn to pieces by the Titans." This
was Bacchus, in a part of whose Mystery ritual the body of the god was
represented as torn into pieces by the Titans and scattered over the
earth! It is significant that in the drama the god is cut into pieces
while enticed into contemplating his image in a mirror. Greek philosophy
spoke of the soul's projecting a similitude of herself into matter. She
was to reproduce a likeness of herself in flesh, for the lower must be
formed in the image of the higher. Man is to reproduce, as the acorn the
oak, the image of his maker. This detail is an intimation that it was
the god's inclination toward a life of sense, depicted by his bending
down (Cf. the fable of Narcissus) to gaze delightedly at his reflection
in the water of generation, that preceded his fall and divulsion into
fragments. Jupiter, hurling his thunderbolts at the Titans, the forces
of elementary nature, committed the members of Bacchus to Apollo, the
Sun-god, that he might properly inter them. The god's heart, which had
been snatched away by Pallas (the higher mind) during the laceration,
and preserved for a new generation, emerges,
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and about it as a nucleus the scattered members are reassembled, and he
is restored to his pristine integrity!
Turning to Egypt there is found an exactly parallel mythos, which has
the god Osiris in place of the Greek Dionysus. Says Budge:
"Throughout the Egyptian texts it is assumed that the god suffered death
and mutilation at the hands of his enemies; that various members of his
body were scattered about the land of Egypt; that his sister-wife Isis
'sought him sorrowing' and at length found him; that she fanned him with
her wings and gave him air; that she raised up his body and was reunited
with him; that she conceived and brought forth a child (Horus); and that
he (Osiris) became the god and king of the underworld. In the legend of
Osiris as given by Plutarch (De Iside et Osiride) it is said that he
was murdered at the instigation of Typhon or Set, who tore the body into
fourteen pieces, which he scattered throughout the land; Isis collected
these pieces. . . ."1
It is hard to think that this legend or glyph of our evolutionary
history has stood in the books for five thousand years and failed
eventually to illuminate the race's understanding of its own cosmic
situation.
Osiris was not the only sun-deity whose body suffered dismemberment in
the Egyptian pantheon, for Ptah, an earlier god, shared the same mythic
fate. Under his name of Ptah-Sekari he underwent fragmentation as did
Osiris. For "Sekari is the title of the suffering Ptah, and sekar means
to cut; cut in pieces; sacrifice; or, as we have the word in English, to
score or scarify."2 Ptah was said to be the earliest form of God the
Father, who became a voluntary sacrifice in "Egypt," and who, in the
name of Sekari, was the silent sufferer, the coffined one, the deity
that opened the nether world for the Manes. As a solar god he went down
into Amenta. There he died and rose again. Atum, son of Ptah, also
became the voluntary sacrifice as the source of life to mortals. As the
"silent Sekari" Ptah was an earlier type of the figure of Jesus, who was
as a lamb dumb before his shearers, and opened not his mouth against his
accusers. The title of Sekari is in fact added to Osiris, as well as to
Ptah, and as Osiris-Sekari he is the dismembered and mutilated mummy in
his coffin. The Speaker in the Ritual cries: "The darkness in which
Sekari dwells is terrifying to the weak." The Egyptian festival of the
resurrection, celebrated every year in the
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month Choiak (Nov. 27 to Dec. 26, Alexandrian year) was devoted to the
god Osiris-Ptah-Sekari, "who had been dead and was alive again; cut to
pieces and reconstituted with his vertebrae sound and not a bone of his
body found to be broken or missing." (Cf. the Gospels: "And they brake
all his bones." This was the form of the dismemberment, to be followed
by the reconstitution.)
That which applied to the Osiris-god also applied to "the dead in
Osiris." (Cf. the Gospels: "Dead in Christ.") "They were figuratively
cut in pieces as the tangible image of abstract death."3 "When the
mortal entered Amenta it was in the likeness of Osiris, who had been
bodily dismembered in his death, and who had to be reconstituted to rise
again as the spirit that never died."4 It is certain that the Manes was
considered to have suffered dismemberment like his ensampler Osiris,
because it is written that before the mortal Manes could attain the
ultimate state of spirit in the image of Horus the immortal, he must be
put together part by part like Osiris, the dismembered god. From a
divided being he had to be made whole again as Neb-er-ter, "the god
entire." In one phase of the drama the deceased is put together bone by
bone after the model of the backbone of Osiris. The backbone was an
emblem of sustaining power, matching indeed the Tat cross of stability.
In the Ritual (Ch. 102) Horus says: "I have come myself and delivered
the god in his dismembered condition. I have healed the trunk and
fastened the shoulder and made firm the leg." Horus, entering the lower
world to seek and to save that which is lost in the obscurity of matter,
says (Ch. 78): "I advance whithersoever there lieth a wreck in the field
of eternity." On their drop into matter, the first episode in the gods'
mutilation was the loss of their intellectual unity, typified by the
figurative cutting off of their heads. "And the god Horus shall cut off
their heads in heaven where they are) in the form of feathered fowl, and
their hind parts shall be on the earth in the form of animals. . . ." It
is even directly stated that "Ra mutilates his own person" for the
benefit of mortals. Thoth later came and healed the mutilations. As
Thoth was the god of knowledge, it can be seen on what plane of
comprehension the mutilation and healing are to be given meaning. The
dismemberment was only the division of unified intellect into partial
vision. The reconstitution of the torn divinity is referred to in the
address to Teta, the "dead" king on earth: "Hail, hail! Rise up, thou
Teta! Thou hast received thy head,
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thou hast embraced thy bones, thou hast gathered together thy flesh."
In far India the Lord of Creation, Prajapati, was represented as having
undergone dismemberment. Likewise Sarasvati. There is no question as to
the wide prevalence of the symbol.
Nothing is more shattering to our modern sense of superiority and
condescension with regard to early nations believed to have been
"primitive" and ignorant, than to find in their literary relics the
outlines of some of the grandest conceptions of Platonic or other high
philosophic theory. In a Mexican legend we come upon the idea of the
god's dismemberment in a striking form. A story portrayed the union of
physical man with a higher spirit under the imagery of mixing a bone
with blood. The tale runs to the effect that the Great Mother of the
gods instructs them, in the creation of man, to go down to
Mistlanteuctli, the Lord of Hades, and beg him to give them a bone or
some ashes of the dead, who are with him. These would represent the
lower natural body. Having received this, they were told to sacrifice
over it, sprinkling the blood from their own bodies upon it. This would
typify the impartation of their own divine natures to the mortals. After
consultation they dispatched one of their number, Xolotl, down to
Hades. He succeeded in procuring a bone six feet long (a certain
identification with the human body) from Mistlanteuctli and started off
with it at full speed. Wroth at this, the infernal chief gave chase,
causing Xolotl a hasty fall, in which the bone was broken in pieces. The
messenger gathered up in all haste what he could, and despite the
stumble made his escape. Reaching the earth he put the fragments of bone
into a basin and all the gods drew blood from their bodies and sprinkled
it into the vessel. On the fourth day there was a movement among the
wetted bones and a boy lay there before all, and in four days more of
blood-letting and sprinkling, a girl came to life. If the Bible student
is inclined to disdain this myth as profitless, let him turn to Ezekiel
(37) and reflect on what he finds there. For the Biblical fable of the
valley of dry bones contains five or six distinct points of identity
with this legend: the operation of the gods upon the lifeless bones, a
noise, a stirring and movement among the bones, a coming together and
eventual constitution of them into living bodies, with flesh and sinew,
and their creation as humans, male and female, as in Genesis.
The early Egyptians laconically dramatized the doctrine of dismem-
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berment, but the intellectual Greeks wrote elaborate disquisitions upon
its import. It is set forth by the Platonists with dialectical
precision. The doctrine grows out of the very laws of thought. It is no
whimsical speculative fancy. It rests on a logical necessity. For if
life is to proceed from primal unity to manifest multiplicity and
diversity, there is no way for the One to multiply itself save by an
initial division of itself. Life proceeds from oneness and identity of
nature into number and differentiation, and the structure of thought
requires that multiformity arise from unity by partition of that unity.
The One must break himself into pieces, tear himself apart, and this is
the meaning of the mutilations and exsections of the gods. The One must
give himself to division. And with division comes addition of forms,
multiplication of units and combinations, but subtraction of deific
power in the divided parts.
Each wave of creative impulse quivered outward from the central heart of
being and, like falling water, body-blood and tree-sap, was fragmented
by the resistance of matter. From plane to plane the dispersion
continued. Wholes were broken into parts, which as wholes on their own
plane went into further partition to plant the field of the next lower
level. With his own inseparable being torn into multiple division, and
each part an integral unit of the total, his life is seminally
distributed in each. He lives in the parts and the parts live in him.
The fragments are the cells of his body. "We are the members of one
body, and Christ is the head." So Greek philosophy states that "each
superior divinity becomes the leader of a multitude, generated from
himself." And at last there is the basis for comprehensible sense in the
phrase "the Lord of Hosts." Each deity is the lord of a host, who are
the fragmented children of his own body.
Each unit of division, when incubated in the lower realm, begins to
renew its father's life. It must arise and return unto the father's
estate. The son must restore the parent who has died in him to his
former greatness, with something added. He must raise that which has
fallen and redeem that which has been lost. No one shall see the father
save him to whom the son revealeth him. This was the typical function of
Horus in relation to Osiris in Egypt, as it was that of Jesus to God his
Father in the Gospels.
Buried within the heart of each fragment, then, is the hidden lord of
divine life, and from no one is he absent. He dwells there to be the
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guide, the guardian, the comforter and informing intelligence of the
organism. He is the holy spirit, the flame, the ray, the lamp unto our
feet. Says St. Paul (I Cor. 4:7): "For God, who commanded the light to
shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts . . . but we have this
treasure in earthen vessels." The ancients oft termed this presence the
daemon or guardian angel, as in the famous case of Socrates. He is that
attendant monitor who stands behind the scenes of the outer life,
instant to bless, ready to save, a never-failing help in trouble. His
counsel is never lacking, if one seeks it or has not previously stilled
its small voice. It reasons with us until many times seven. It abides
within our inner shrine, patiently awaiting the hour of our discovery
and recognition of its presence.
We must take time to hear the voice of Greek wisdom anent the
dismemberment:
"In the first place, then, we are made up from fragments (says
Olympiodorus), because, through falling into generation, our life has
proceeded into the most distant and extreme division; and from Titanic
fragments, because the Titans are the ultimate artificers of things, and
stand immediately next to whatever is constituted from them. But
furthermore, our irrational life is Titanic, by which the rational and
higher life is torn to pieces. Hence when we disperse the Dionysus, or
intuitive intellect contained in the secret recesses of our nature,
breaking in pieces the kindred and divine form of our essence, and which
communicates, as it were, both with things subordinate and supreme, then
we become the Titans (or apostates); but when we establish ourselves in
union with this Dionysiacal or kindred form, then we become Bacchuses,
or perfect guardians and keepers of our irrational life; for Dionysus,
whom in this respect we resemble, is himself an ephorus or guardian
deity; dissolving at his pleasure the bonds by which the soul is united
to the body, since he is the cause of a parted life. But it is necessary
that the passive or feminine nature of our irrational part, through
which we are bound to body, and which is nothing more than the
resounding echo, as it were, of soul, should suffer the punishment
incurred by descent; for when the soul casts aside the (divine)
peculiarity of her nature, she requires her own, but at the same time, a
multiform body, that she may again become in need of a common form,
which she has lost through Titanic dispersion in matter."5
"Now we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when that which is
perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done
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away." Had we held our culture closer to the heart of Greek philosophy
we should have seen the whole of things more clearly. We are the Titans
who tore the divine philosophical fire away from the central altar in
the empyrean and scattered it like sparks amongst the race of mortals.
And these Titans, or Satanic hosts, were those apostates who compounded
the felony of stealing divine fire by further carrying its dispersion
into remote depths of matter. Yet they were the agents of deity to bring
salvation, or the purifying, cleansing fire, to man on earth. They
distributed the divine life in fragments among mortals, administering
the cosmic Eucharist of the broken body and shed blood of the gods for a
benison to all humanity. The divine intellectual power, the mind of the
god, was divided amongst us, not, however, with the loss of the total
unity of the godhead on his own plane. Only his lower fragments in body
felt their reduction to poverty. Says Taylor:
And thus much for the mysteries of Bacchus, which, as well as those of
Ceres, relate in one part to the descent of a partial intellect into
matter, and its condition while united with the dark tenement of body;
but there appears to be this difference between the two, that in the
fable of Ceres and Proserpina, the descent of the whole rational soul is
considered; and in that of Bacchus the scattering and going forth of
that supreme part alone of our nature which we properly characterize by
the appellation of intellect."6
In Proclus' Hymn to Minerva we have a spirited statement of the unified
god-mind, Bacchus, fragmented:
"The Titans fell against his life conspired;
And with relentless rage and thirst for gore,
Their hands his members into fragments tore."
Olympiodorus unfolds the dialectical thesis in three propositions: (1).
It is necessary that soul place a likeness of herself in body. (2). It
is essential that she should sympathize with this image of herself, as
it tends to seek integration with its parent. (3). "Being situated in a
divided nature, it is necessary that she should be torn to pieces and
fall into a last separation," after which she shall free herself from
the simulacrum and rise again to unity. The gods impart their divided
essence to mortals and then the fragments seek to rejoin their parents
and be united again with them in nature. Bacchus pursued his image,
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formed in the mirror of matter, and thus was carried downward and
scattered into fragments. But Apollo collected the fragments and
restored them to union in the heavens.
If the Bible student judges all this to be foreign to his interpretation
of his Book of Wisdom, let him consult the nineteenth chapter of Judges,
and read the story of the rape and destruction of the concubine of a man
whose name is not given, but described as "a Levite . . . in the remote
highlands of Ephraim," which would seem to identify him with some higher
spiritual principle. The concubine, who left for her father's house in a
fit of rage, would perhaps correspond to Proserpina, the detached
incarnating soul. The man sought her, and after long dallying with her
reluctant father, started home with her, "from Bethlehem to the remote
highlands of Ephraim." At Gibeah, among the Banjaminites, they lodged
over night, and there the unruly citizens, "certain sons of Belial" (our
lower propensities) attacked the house, forcing the man finally to send
out his host's virgin daughter and his own concubine to be ravished by
the crowd. In the morning he lifted the concubine's body on his ass and
took her home. Here "he took a knife and cut up the concubine's body,
limb by limb, into twelve pieces, which he sent all over the country of
Israel, telling his messengers to ask all the inhabitants, 'Was ever
such a crime committed since the Israelites left Egypt?'" Twelve baskets
of fragments in the New Testament miracle; twelve legions of angels
ready to come to Jesus' assistance in the garden of Gethsemane; twelve
stones set in the midst of the Jordan when Joshua led the Israelites
from Amenta into the Promised Land; twelve fragments of the soul's
dismembered life in the story in Judges! If the literalist insists that
Judges is talking about a concubine in the flesh, and not a principle of
divided intellect in Greek philosophy, the all-sufficient answer is that
he thus keeps the incidents of his Book on a level where they mean
nothing and hold no instruction or appeal for the mind of man. And the
proof of this is that on the level on which he keeps them nobody pays
any attention to them. Only through Greek philosophy can we lift such
neglected allegories to a height of impressive significance.
In the "miracle" of the Lord's feeding the five thousand with the loaves
and fishes in the Gospel narrative we have a repetition of the
dramatization of the Eucharistic rite minus only the accompanying
statement from the Christ himself that the loaves were his own body,
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broken for the multitude of humans. We have set the stage certainly
however, for the first full and clear comprehension of the meaning of
the disciples' "gathering up" (the Egyptian reconstitution) twelve
baskets of fragments. In multiplying the bread, he dramatized the
doctrine of the dismemberment, which was in twelve main sections or
groups.
But Christian intelligence is not aware that in the very heart of its
own chief rite of formalism this great doctrine lives in unsuspected
completeness. St. Paul makes a specific announcement of it in I
Corinthians (11:23):
"I pass on to you what I received from the Lord himself, namely, that on
the night he was betrayed the Lord Jesus took a loaf, and after thanking
God he broke it, saying, 'This means my body broken for you; do this in
memory of me."
Here is the fragmentation of the god announced at the heart of the
Christian Eucharist! The body of the Messiah broken for us! The main
symbol in all Christian ritual is the breaking of a piece of bread into
fragments and distributing them out among the communicants! And all
theological acumen has missed the relation of this to Greek Platonism
just because the recital was not explicit enough to state that the Lord's
body was broken into pieces.
Scholars have long quarreled over the word translated "broken," and will
do so again, doubtless more violently than before, when the attempt is
made to relate its meaning to the Greek doctrine of dismemberment here
suggested. But the quarrel is gratuitous. There may be dispute about the
word, but there can be no dispute about the act of breaking the bread,
which dramatizes the meaning. For Jesus dismembered the bread as the
indisputable outward symbol of the cosmic truth of his fragmented body
of spirit; and to avoid the use of the participle "broken" in the verse
would be a faithless betrayal of the obvious meaning of the text. Here
then is Greek esoteric philosophy functioning on the innermost altar of
the Christian faith!
The entire temple of Christian theology would be beautified and
strengthened if this cardinal doctrine could once more be adequately
envisaged and included in living presentation. But, the true meaning
lost, and the spiritual signification deeply buried under the outer
debris of the myths, the Church has nothing more sublime to offer its
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tees than the picture of a physical body suffering alleged laceration on
a wooden cross! Such a body could not rise and be reconstituted. But the
unit body of deific virtue, distributed out into myriad earthly vessels
of human life, broken thus and buried piecemeal in the soil of mortal
flesh, could be reassembled and reunited in the increasing brotherhood
of humanity. There is no truth in ancient scripture outside of a
spiritual rendering of the material. As soon as the Church returns to
the true original meaning of the "broken body of our Lord," it may take
up again its prime function as nourisher of the souls of men.
Incarnation brought dismemberment; but this was not the only form of
diminished power and beauty incurred in the process. The god also
suffered many kinds of disfigurement. Dead and buried in matter, he was
typed under a variety of figures representing his suffering and
deformity. The depictions included those of a decrepit old man, a
wizened babe (the mummy-Christ), a maimed, crippled, wounded, dumb,
deformed, disfigured, demoniac, deaf, naked and ugly little child! He
was bereft in every particular. Several of the early Church Fathers,
misled by the change from drama to alleged history, actually described
the person of Jesus as not comely and radiant, but ugly and deformed!
This is but one of the many absurdities that came to light when
allegorism was converted over into realism. Some of the disfigurement
material from the Scriptures must be presented here briefly:
"In the Egyptian mysteries, all who enter the nether world as Manes to
rise again as spirits, are blind and deaf and dumb and maimed and
impotent because they are the dead. Their condition is typified by that
of the mortal Horus who is portrayed as blind and maimed, deaf and dumb,
in An-ar-ef, the abode of occultation, the house of obscurity . . .
where all the citizens were deaf and dumb, maimed and blind, awaiting
the cure that only came with the divine healer, who is Horus of the
resurrection in the Ritual, or Khnum, the caster out of demons, or
Iu-em-hetep, the healer, or Jesus in the Gospels, gnostic or agnostic.
This restoring of sight to the blind man, or the two blind men, was one
of the mysteries of Amenta that is reproduced amongst the miracles in
the canonical Gospels."7
When Horus, the deliverer, descends into Amenta he is hailed as the
Prince in the City of the Blind; that is, of the dead who are sleeping
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in their prison cells. He comes to shine into their sepulchers and to
restore spiritual sight to the blind on earth. Horus is designated "he
who dissipates the darkness and gives eyes to the gods in obscurity."8
"The typical blind man in Amenta is Horus in the gloom of his sightless
condition, as the human soul obscured in matter, or groping in the
darkness of the grave. Sut has deprived him of his faculties. This is
Horus An-ar-ef in the city of the blind."
What becomes of the Gospel healings and miraculous cures in the light of
this antecedent material in the Egyptian scripts? It is a question
momentous for the future of orthodoxy. There seems to be but one answer
open to sincerity: the New Testament "miracles" are the reproductions of
ancient Egyptian religious dramatizations in the Mysteries, and not
actual occurrences.
Horus, prince in the city of blindness, as his father was king in the
realm of the dead, comes to reconstitute his father whole and entire,
and to give lost sight to all those dead as and in Osiris. The Manes
were all blind, and the god had to work a magical operation on them to
restore their sight. We have the Gospels dramatizing the god's opening
up of intellectual faculty when at the typical age of twelve years he
makes his transformation into the adult. The Egyptian emblem of the
hawk's head given him at that epoch betokens his restored sight. His
eye, stolen from him by Sut, is then restored. Under the astrological
sign of Orion Horus was typed as the god of the night or dark, the blind
god who received sight at dawn. He describes himself as the mortal born
blind and dumb in An-ar-ef, the abode of occultation, but who in
regaining his own sight will likewise open the eyes of the prisoners in
their cells. The circle of the gods rejoices at seeing Horus take his
father's throne and scepter and rule over the earth, replacing blindness
with spiritual sight.
A most suggestive portrayal of this condition was hinted at in a
calendar published in 1878 at Alexandria, in which there is recited a
tradition that on December 19 "serpents become blind," and that on March
24 they "open their eyes." (A. Nourse, p. 24). As the serpent typed here
the divine soul, the imagery is readily grasped. One must connect the
story with the yearly astrology to see its full appropriateness. We read
that three months of the year were assigned to the blind serpent or
dragon in the abyss. The three months, as elsewhere three
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days and the three kingdoms below the human, figured the period of the
god's burial in the material worlds. "As Jonas was three days in the
whale's belly, so must the Son of Man be three days in the bowels of the
earth."
Jesus after his baptism announces his messianic commission to preach
"recovery of sight to the blind," and healing to them that are bruised.
And St. Paul writes that we wait for the coming of the Lord Jesus
Christ, "who shall fashion anew the body of our humiliation." Of Jesus
it is written that "to many blind he gave sight," not physical but
spiritual.
The story of Samson, the luni-solar hero, does not omit the feature of
loss of sight, when, as the god in incarnation, he is shorn of his power
and bound helpless. He is eyeless in Gaza, pitiful and forlorn, like
"the blind Orion hungering for the morn"--the return of the lost light.
The Hebrews have a Talmudic tradition that Samson was lame in both his
feet, which was also the status of the child-Horus, who was pictured as
maimed and halt in his lower members, the crippled deity, as he is
called by Plutarch.
Isaiah's chapter (61) in which the Manes announces that the Lord has
sent him to bind up the broken-hearted and to open blind eyes, has been
noted. But Isaiah has a far more touching portraiture of the suffering
servant in reference to his disfigurement in chapter 53:
"His visage was so marred, more than any man, and his form more than
the sons of men.
Disfigured till he seemed a man no more,
Deformed out of the semblance of a man."
Horus bewails the loss of his eye to Sut who has pierced it, or stolen
it. He cries: "I am Horus. I come to search for mine eyes." In the
spring Sut restores the god's sight.
The mouse, the mole and the shrewmouse were all employed as symbols of
the soul shut up in darkness, in the crypt of the body. Yet only by such
burrowing in the dark underworld could the soul be transformed into a
new and higher stage of life.
Harpocrates, the Greek-Egyptian god of healing, is traceable to the
Egyptian Har-p-khart, who as a crippled deity was said to be begotten in
the dark. The term "khart" signifies a deformed child, and includes also
the idea of speechless. It should not be overlooked that our own
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word "infant," from the Latin, means "speechless!" Har(Horus) -p(the)
-khart(speechless child) was the character depicting the god just born
into matter, and not yet able to manifest or utter "the Word made
Truth." One of the supreme features of Horus' mission was to open dumb
mouths, or to give mouths to the dumb. This was to cause their lives to
express the words of power and truth. Isaiah sings that "the dumb are to
break forth into singing and the lame to leap for joy." Jesus was silent
when accused. This is all to typify the infant god in the flesh, who has
not yet learned to articulate the living reality of spiritual truth. As
the human infant is speechless for an initial period of some two years,
so the god is silent in the expression of his divine nature for a
corresponding period at the beginning of his incarnate sojourn. At the
judgment trial vindication for the Manes was assured if he could assert
that he had given bread to the hungry, speech to the speechless, drink
to the thirsty, clothes to the naked and a boat to him that had suffered
shipwreck on the Nile--of life.
A further anthropological reference of great importance is suggested by
the typology of the dawn of speech, in that it carries an allusion to
the opening up of the faculty of speech by the race with the coming of
the gods. Psychology reveals that speech was necessary for the
development of thought. But it is just as rational to say that the power
to think made speech possible.
Deprivation of breath was another form of typology for "the dead." And
with breathing stopped, there was also the motionless heart. The Osiris
says:
"I am motionless in the fields of those who are dumb in death. But I
shall wake, and my soul shall speak in the dwelling of Tum, the Lord of
Annu."
For it was in Beth-Annu (Bethany) in Egypt, the place of weeping, that
Osiris lay in his coffin inert and motionless. Hence Osiris is portrayed
in the likeness of the mummy called "the breathless one"; also "the god
with the non-beating heart." Mummification set the seal of
indestructability on the soul. The god in his advent announces:
"I utter Ra's words to the men of the present generation, and I repeat
his words to him who is deprived of breath"--the Manes in Amenta. (Rit.,
Ch. 36).
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Multitudes of crippled people followed Jesus into the mountains and cast
themselves at his feet to be healed. "And he healed them; insomuch that
the multitude wondered when they saw the dumb speaking, the maimed
whole, the lame walking and the blind seeing." (Matt. 15:29 ff.).
A festival known as the Hakera was celebrated in Egypt. The name means
"fasting" and the festival terminated the fasting with a feast. It was
for the benefit of those who had been deprived of breath, who were dumb
and blind, motionless and inert--in short, the deceased lying helpless
like "wrecks" in the fields of Amenta.
Upon the Gnostic monuments in the Roman catacombs Jesus is portrayed in
one of his two characters, matching Horus, as the little, old and ugly
Jesus; in the other he corresponds to Horus of the beautiful face. The
first is the suffering infant Messiah, the man of sorrows and acquainted
with grief, the despised and afflicted one. As Jesus in this character
was never more than twelve years of age, "Old Child was his name." In
the Pistis Sophia Jesus is again pictured in his two characters, the
first being that of the puny child, the mortal Horus, born of the virgin
mother (nature) as her blind and deaf, her dumb and impubescent child.
It was the human Horus again who was pierced and tortured by Sut in
death until the day of his triumph, when he rose to become king and
conqueror in his turn. We are by this exposition permitted to see the
mythical character of Job, the assailed one, subjected to the assaults
of Sut (Satan). Practically all the central figures of the Old Testament
enact the role of the Manes, the soul of buried deity.
In the Orphic Tablets the dead person is thus addressed: "Hail, thou who
hast endured the suffering, such as thou hadst never suffered before;
thou hast become god from man!" One portion of the Mystery ritual
recited the sufferings of Psyche in the underworld of Pluto and her
rescue by Eros, as described by Apuleius (The Golden Ass), in the cult
of Isis. "Almost always," says Dr. Cheetham, speaking of the Mysteries,
"the suffering of a god--suffering followed by triumph--seems to have
been the subject of the sacred drama."9 The minds of the neophytes were
prepared for the glorious breaking of the light by the preliminary
ordeal of darkness, fatigue and terrors, typical of this earth life.
Carpenter10 compares with the wounding of the side of Jesus an Aztec
ceremonial of lighting a holy fire and communicating
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it to the multitude from the wounded breast of a human victim,
celebrated every fifty-two years, when the constellation of the Pleiades
is at the zenith. (Prescott, Conquest of Mexico, Bk. I, Ch. 4).
In the Ritual the Manes cries: "Decree this, O Atum, that if I see thy
face, I shall not be pained by the signs of thy sufferings." In Luke
(24:26) it is asked: "Ought not Christ to have suffered these things and
enter into his glory?" And John declares that in the world we shall have
tribulation.
Budge describes a form of the suffering Messiah:
"Thus the great god Ra, when bitten by the adder which Isis made,
suffered violent pains in his body, and the sweat of agony rolled down
his face, and he would have died if Isis had not treated him after he
revealed to her his hidden name."11
The serpent formed by the goddess is the lower nature which is made to
sting the life of the god into a coma upon his incarnation. A prayer in
the Ritual pleads that the divine beings do away with the sorrow of the
Osiris-Nu, his sufferings and his pains, and that his ills be removed.
Massey draws a composite picture of the god beset with material
limitation:
"This was the Horus of the incarnation, the god made flesh in the
imperfect human form, the type of voluntary sacrifice, the image of
suffering; being an innocent little child, maimed in his lower members,
marred in his visage, lame and blind and dumb and altogether
imperfect."12
But the most appealing portrayal of this phase of the Christ experience,
save that of the crucifixion of Jesus, is the picture of the "suffering
servant" in Isaiah (Ch. 53). It is so striking that we must make space
for it, in the beautiful language of the Moffatt translation:
"He was despised and shunned by men,
A man of pain who knew what sickness was;
like one from whom men turn with shuddering,
he was despised, we took no heed of him.
And yet ours was the pain he bore,
the sorrow he endured!
We thought him suffering from a stroke
at God's own hand;
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yet he was wounded because we had sinned;
'twas our misdeeds that crushed him;
'twas for our welfare that he was chastised;
the blows that fell to him
have brought us healing.
. . . . .
And the Eternal laid on him
the guilt of all of us.
He was ill-treated, yet he bore it humbly,
he never would complain;
Dumb as a sheep led to the slaughter,
dumb as a ewe before the shearers.
They did away with him unjustly;
and who heeded how he fell,
torn from the land of the living,
struck down for sins of ours?
They laid him in a felon's grave,
and buried him with criminals,
though he was guilty of no violence
nor had he uttered a false word.
. . . . .
he shall succeed triumphantly,
since he has shed his life-blood,
and let himself be numbered among rebels,
bearing the great world's sins
and interposing for rebellious men."
This is a graphic depiction of the nature and office of the Christos,
and written long before the appearance of any historical Jesus! The
Gospel "life" of Jesus, Isaiah's account of the suffering servant, the
chronicle of Job's afflictions, the pre-Christian Gnostic story of the
suffering Christ-Aeon and the description of the pierced, wounded,
crucified Horus of antique Egyptian records, match each other with
unmistakable fidelity.
The diminished glory of descending godhood is also portrayed under the
figure of disrobing. As the soul descends from one plane to another she
is represented as being divested of one of her robes of glory at each
step. The student of esotericism will see at once the meaning of this.
Each plane clothes the soul with a body of its proper matter,
pneumatikon, psychikon, physikon, or spiritual, psychic, physical. As
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soul steps down the grades of being she takes on a coarser body, which
is equivalent to her losing a more ethereal one, at each landing. And
the incubus of each heavier one yields her a less and less vivid contact
with reality. At last she descends virtually disrobed into the prison
and tomb of the gross body.
In the Ritual (Ch. 71) we are told that in his incarnation Horus, or Iu,
the Su, (Iusu, Jesu, or Jesus) "disrobes himself" to "reveal himself"
when he "presents himself to the earth." The Babylonian goddess Ishtar
is said to have made her descent through seven gates, at each of which
she was stripped of one of her robes of glory.13 Massey gives us an
important point in Comparative Religion in the following:
"The mutilation of Osiris in his coffin, the stripping of his corpse and
tearing it asunder by Sut, who scattered it piecemeal, is represented by
the stripping of the dead body of Jesus whilst it still hung on the
cross, and parting his garments among the spoilers. 'For they stripped
him and put on him a scarlet robe.'"14
The god sinking into earthly embodiment is stripped of his finer robes
and covered with the scarlet, red-blooded body of flesh!
In the Ritual (Ch. 172) the text runs:
"Thou puttest on the pure garment and thou divistest thyself of the
apron when thou stretchest thyself upon the funeral bed. Thou receivest
a bandage of the finest linen."
Which is to say, that on the return, the coarse bodies are thrown off
and the robes of radiant light resumed. And what more apt symbol of the
fleshly body than an apron? It is a garment put on to fend off the grime
of earth, to hang between the purity of spirit and the smudginess of
matter!
It is of the utmost significance that in the Genesis account it is twice
said that Adam and Eve knew they were naked, and that they felt no shame
the first time, but were overcome with shame after their fall into
nakedness. The sense is that their first nakedness came while they were
still in the "garden," the celestial paradise, and probably intimates
their freedom from coarse garments of the lower natures. Their later
nakedness came when they had been spiritually stripped, though clothed
with coats of skin, or fleshly vestures. The "shame" arose from the
god's recognition of his having fallen into a state of comparative
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degradation in which he would have to resort to sexual methods of
procreation, when hitherto his life had been renewed by the sheer force
of divine will, called kriyashakti in the East. Paul speaks of this body
of our shame, as do Plotinus and the Neo-Platonists generally. It is the
main basis of the widespread ascetic inclination in history. And the
Jesus of the Pistis Sophia tells Salome that his kingdom shall come when
"thou hast trampled under foot the garment of shame" and restored the
soul, split into male and female segments here on earth, to its pristine
whole, or androgyne condition.
In the Ritual the judgment is designated as that of the clothed and
naked. If the Manes appeared naked before the judges, it meant that he
had not overcome the grossness of his physical nature and robed himself
in more radiant spiritual garb. To appear clothed was to have resumed
the shining vestments of light. There is comment on this in Revelation
(16:15): "Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments lest he
walk naked and see his shame." The seductions of earth and flesh were
strong enough to cause many of the Manes to lose the luster of their
inner vestures. Thus disrobed of their finer garments, they presented
the evidence of their poor condition to pass the ordeals of the
judgment. What further light do we need to interpret Jesus' parable of
the man ejected from the marriage feast because he came in without a
wedding garment? Massey comments:
"The Manes in the Ritual consist of the clothed and the naked. Those who
pass the judgment hall become the clothed. The beatified spirits are
invested with the robe of the righteous, the stole of Ra, in the
garden."15
In the resurrection ceremony of Osiris, the god is divested of his
funerary garment and receives a bandage of the finest linen from the
attendants of Ra (Rit., Ch. 172).
It is notable in this light that in Revelation the angel discerned in
flight toward the earth came with outstretched wings "and veiled face."
And what Exodus says of Moses has meaning in this connection (Ch. 34):
"Whenever he went into the presence of the Eternal to speak to him, he
took the veil off, till he came out again; and when he came out and gave
the Israelites the orders he had received, the Israelites would notice
that the face of Moses was in a glow; whereupon Moses drew the veil over
his face again till he went into the presence of the Eternal."
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In this symbolic fashion the wise seers of old represented the
incarnational going in and out before the Lord, the adventuring of the
immortal soul out into body where it put on the veils of matter and
flesh, and its retiring again into the holiest shrine of spirit where it
dropped its heavier outer bodies and again became "clothed in light as
with a garment."
In the Hindu, Egyptian and Greek Mystery rites the ceremony of
indicating the soul's pilgrimage round the Cycle of Necessity was
performed over what was called the "Snake's Hole," and the "Inevitable
Circle." It was imaged by a coiled snake. A part of the rite was to
strip the snake in token of its sloughing, a symbol of the divestiture
of the soul to be clothed anew in bright raiment. Proclus states that in
the most holy Mysteries the mystae were divested of their garments to
receive a new divine nature, or vestment of salvation.
Horus covers the naked body of Osiris with a white robe when he comes to
raise the inert one. This act is paralleled in the Hebrew scriptures
when Shem and Japheth go in backward to cover the nakedness of their
father Noah. The drunkenness of Noah here betokens the swooning which
accompanies the descent, as already set forth.
A number of verses in the Bible yield new and impressive evidence if
read in the sense here indicated. The "coats of skin" made for Adam and
Eve by God would be taken as the outer physical vehicles. The Psalms
entreat that "thy priests be clothed with righteousness." Proverbs
states that "drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags." Isaiah speaks of
the joyful ones being clothed with the garments of salvation and the
robe of righteousness. Jesus' declaration that he was naked and "ye
clothed me" would be inconsequential if taken as a historical fact. But
in II Corinthians (Ch. 5) Paul gives strong confirmation of the higher
sense:
"(For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our
house which is from heaven. If so be that being clothed we shall not be
found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being
burdened; not for that we should be unclothed, but clothed upon, that
mortality might be swallowed up of life)."
"It makes me sigh, indeed, this yearning to be under the cover of my
heavenly habitation, since I am sure that once so covered I shall not be
'naked' at the hour of death. I do sigh within this tent of mine with
heavy anxiety--not that I want to be stripped, no, but to be under cover
of the
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other, to have my mortal element absorbed by life . . . Come what may,
then, I am confident; I know that while I reside in the body I am away
from the Lord (for I have to lead my life in faith without seeing him);
and in this confidence I would fain get away from the body and reside
with the Lord."
This is direct and eloquent confirmation of Greek and Egyptian
philosophy in the Christian Book. Here is the soul conscious of its
alienation from heaven, miserably exiled in the flesh, made poor in
spirit, yet striving resolutely to carry the mortal burden up the hill
to its summit. Revelation (3:17) has a passage hardly less germane:
"Thou knowest not that thou art wretched and miserable and poor and
blind and naked; I counsel thee to buy from me gold refined in the fire,
that thou may be rich, white raiment to clothe you and prevent the shame
of your nakedness from being seen, and salve to rub on your eyes that
you may see."
Revelation (19:8) gives a definition of our spiritual clothing, when
referring to the soul, the bride: "And to her was granted that she
should be arrayed in fine linen, dazzling white; (the white linen is the
righteousness of saints)." For those who rebel stubbornly against the
mythical interpretation of the Bible, let it be noted that here the
writer of holy gospel positively states that a physical thing, linen, is
a spiritual quality.
And he that rode on the white horse is described as "clothed with a
vesture dipped in blood; (his name is called THE LOGOS of God)." And
here a Bible personage is merely a figure of an item of Greek
philosophy! Will we not be instructed by such things?
It needs but to make the transfer in meaning from material to ethereal
or spiritual clothing to discern the depth of practical significance in
these allusions. The revelation will be lost only for those who persist
in the assumption that Oriental imagery was so much fanciful froth, and
not an endeavor to delineate by poetic figure a veridical basis of fact
and phenomena. Instead of vaunting ourselves in superiority over
presumed primitive crudity, we may have to demonstrate even our own good
rating as pupils of sage wisdom when that is presented. The ancients had
more to conceal than we yet seem capable of grasping.
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Bosnian Congress USA
TO PEOPLE OF BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA, GOVERNMENT OF BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA AND
FRIENDS OF BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
We,the citizens of Bosnia-Herzegovina, who were exiled by force
from our country into the USA and who understand the importance of
today's events on the future of our country, would like to send to
the representatives of the government of Bosnia and Herzegovina the
following:
PETITION
Regarding the announcement of the rules for the election of the governing
officials by the Temporary Election Committee of the Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), first in the city of Mostar,
and shortly after in all of Bosnia-Herzegovina, we strongly demand that
the elections be postponed until the return of all Bosnian refugees to
their homes is completed. If the elections go on as planned by the OSCE
Temporary Election Committee and its leader Mr. Robert Frowick, we know
that the result would be the destruction of Bosnia-Herzegovina as an
independent country and the refugees, who were the vicims of the genocide
and ethnic cleansing, never would be allowed to return to their homes.
Having seen the previous performance of our government and its
readiness to cave in under pressure, we are justifiably concerned
about its future actions. No one, much less the highest officials of
the government of Bosnia-Herzegovina, has the right to take
actions which will lead to the destruction of our homeland, and your
participation in these elections would mean the capitulation of our
country.
We have been the victims of genocide committed by the enemies of our
country, and the wounds inflicted on us are still fresh and will
never fully heal. Because of the wounds inflicted on us and in honor
of those Bosnians who died for our homeland, we insist that you don't
hold the elections in Mostar and other parts of the country until
we are allowed to participate in them at HOME.
The refugees from Bosnia and Herzegovina, dispersed in 127 countries
all over the world, are living through the nightmare of slaughter and
genocide inflicted on them by the latest form of fascism. Your
participation in the elections before refugees return to their homes
would put you in the same class with those who committed genocide on
our people, as you would be killing our country. Don't be
participants in the genocide of your own people and country. Don't
you kill us too!
If you, the top officials of the government, decide not to listen to our
voice, we hope that our brothers and sisters at home, as well as any
patriots of an undivided Bosnia-Herzegovina, will. By boycotting these
elections, we will show the creators of the Dayton agreement, which is
immoral and every day adjusted to accommodate our enemies, that we are a
people with dignity and that we are aware of the scheme against us.
LONG LIVE UNDIVIDED BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA.
If you want to support the petition plesase send Email message to:
az...@tiac.net.
Boston, May 19, 1996
Signatures from Boston - USA:
Gusic, Bedrudin (USA, Banja Luka)
Colakhodzic, Kemal (USA, Mostar)
Custovic, Mirzo (USA, Mostar)
Custovic, Dusanka (USA, Mostar)
Colakhodzic, Amar (USA, Mostar)
Mahinic, Omica (USA, Mostar)
Mahinic, Seada (USA, Mostar)
Gusic, Dzenan (USA, Banja Luka)
Gusic, Mirsada (USA, Banja Luka)
Gusic, Sead (USA, Banja Luka)
Alagic, Fahrudin (USA, Sanski Most)
Omerbasic, Mensur (USA, Sarajevo)
Omerbasic, Faruk (USA, Sarajevo)
Omerbasic, Zumreta (USA, Sarajevo)
Colakhodzic, Jasminka (USA, Mostar)
Cehic, Sulejman (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Enes (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Rahmana (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Zahida (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Alagic, Sead (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Nasiha (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Ismet (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Seida (USA, Sanski Most)
Lakaca, Dzebrail (USA, Duvno)
Kusturica, Resad (USA, Sarajevo)
Misic, Ibrahim (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Amra (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Elma (USA, Mostar)
Dzindic, Hikmet (USA, Brcko)
Gutosic, Melika (USA, Brcko)
Dzindic, Bahrija (USA, Brcko)
Gutosic, Irma (USA, Brcko)
Causevic, Fazila (USA, Sarajevo)
Causevic, Emir (USA, Sarajevo)
Lakaca, Elvis (USA, Duvno)
Lakaca, Alisa (USA, Duvno)
Lakaca, Ajka (USA, Duvno)
Misic, Ahmet (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semsa (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semir (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semira (USA, Mostar)
Haracic, Rahmo (USA, Bugojno)
Djulovic, Enis (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Borogovac, Mirza (USA, Tuzla) <ha...@BU.edu>
Borogovac, Musadik (USA, Sarajevo) <mus...@tiac.net>
Skoko, Kimeta (USA, Banja Luka)
Skoko, Salih (USA, Banja Luka)
Skoko, Semija (USA, Banja Luka)
Dracic-Islamovic, Vlasta (USA, Banja Luka)
Borogovac, Nefa (USA, Tuzla)
Hadziahmetovic, Avdo (USA, Foca)
Hadziahmetovic, Mehmed (USA, Foca)
Hadziahmetovic, Fahra (USA, Foca)
Kameric, Dinka (USA, Stolac)
Kameric, Zenun (USA, Teocak)
Islamovic, Kadima (USA, Bijeljina)
Islamovic, Zijah (USA, Bijeljina)
Dobric, Vasko (USA, Mostar)
Dobric, Aida (USA, Mostar)
Sijercic, Dervisa (USA, Mostar)
Duhovic, Emina (USA, Gorazde)
Dr. Borogovac, Muhamed (USA, Tuzla) <az...@tiac.net>
Talic, Alija (USA, Sanski Most)
Saracevic, Kenan (USA, Jajce)
Ljubovic, Adnan (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic, Ajnur (USA, Banja Luka)
Keco, Nasuf (USA, Capljina)
Keco, Sahzija (USA, Capljina)
Lakaca, Izeta (USA, Duvno)
Brkic, Slavica (USA, Odzak)
Brkic, Nijaz (USA, Odzak)
Bosnians, all over the world, support the petition.
Dr. Sijercic, Zlatko (USA, Banja Luka) <sije...@cs.ColoState.EDU>
Cadra, Denijal (USA, Mostar) <dca...@kennedy.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Cadra, Nermina (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Maja (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Sead (USA, Mostar)
Dr. Sendijarevic, Vahid (USA, Tuzla) <sen...@udmercy.edu>
Dr. Sendijarevic, Aisa (USA, Tuzla) <sen...@udmercy.edu>
Sendijarevic, Ibrahim (USA, Tuzla) <ab...@engin.umich.edu>
Mustafa Nurkic (USA, Orasje)
Izudin Nurkic (USA, Orasje)
Ajun, Senka (USA, Modrica)
Ajun, Abdulah (USA, Modrica)
Keric, Osman (USA, Prijedor) <oke...@prairie.nodek.edu>
Keric, Jasminka (USA, Prijedor)
Velic, Munevera (USA, Prijedor)
Velic, Arnel (USA, Prijedor)
Nasic, Esma (USA, Prijedor)
Dedic, Ernad (USA, Prijedor)
Rustempasic, Svan (USA, Sarajevo) <rap...@eskimo.com>
Mahir Sokolija (Australija, Sarajevo) <bos...@dial.eunet.ch>
Dr. Reuf Tafro (Switzerland, Foca)
Sadeta Dolan (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Semsa Tafro (Switzerland, Foca)
Osman Frzina (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Jasmina Frzina (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Edo Sabanagic (France, Velika Kladusa)
Muhamed Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Kemo Sokolija (Italy, Sarajevo)
Fadila Sokolija (Italy, Sarajevo)
Naser Custovic (Australia, Tuzla)
Dinka Custovic (Australia, Tuzla)
Namik Omersaphic (Australia,
Almedin Salcin (Australia, Sarajevo)
Amela Salcin (Australia, Tuzla)
Sejdefa Sokolija (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mujo Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Himzo Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Adila Custovic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Aida Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Hanifa Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Teufik Sokolija (Germany, Sarajevo)
Fatima Sokolija (Germany, Sarajevo)
Ibrahim Halilovic (Germany, Varcar Vakuf)
Hajra Halilovic (Njemacka, Varcar Vakuf)
Samira Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Lejla Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Selma Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Fatima Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Mersida Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Emina Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Muhamed Sarajlic (Switzerland, Cajnice)
Nagib Ibrulj (Switzerland, Mostar)
Nagib Lidija (Switzerland, Mostar)
Safet Bise (Australia, Stolac)
Association of citizens of Foca B-H (Now in the Switzerland,
President Dr. Reuf Tafro)
Radovan Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Rajna Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Nedeljka Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Dragica Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Muhamed Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Hanka Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Enisa Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Samir Basic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mevludin Ekmecic (France, Tuzla)
Dr. Sirbegovic Sedat (USA, Banja Luka) <es...@aol.com>
Bajraktarevic Mirza (Hungary, Brcko) <PBD-M...@BIONIC.zer.de>
Bajraktarevic Kemaludin (Hungary, Brcko)
Bajraktarevic Enida (Hungary, Brcko)
Keserovic Fadil (Hungary, Brcko)
Keserovic Hasreta (Hungary, Brcko)
Keserovic Edinn (Hunagry, Brcko)
Snagic Asim (Hungary, Brcko)
Musanovic Rasema (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovic Vahid (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovic Zlatko (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovic Angijada (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovi Emir (Austria, Brcko)
Musanovic Subha (Austria, Brcko)
Bulic Emir (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Bulic Semka (Gremany, Bosanska Dubica)
Bulic Sefika (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Hasic Sulejman (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Hasic Ernest (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Hasic jasmin (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Keserovic Hasan (Germany, Brcko)
Keserovic Ramiza (Germany, Brcko)
Keserovic Angijad (Germany, Brcko)
Keserovic Arso (Germany, Brcko)
Bajric Sejad (Australia) <sba...@ozemail.com.au>
Supuk Abid (Australia, Sanski Most)
Pasic Refik (Australia, Mostar)
Pasic Abaz (Australia, Trebinje)
Pasic Hajrudin (Australia Trebinje)
Dr. Nedim Jaganjac (USA, Sarajevo) <njag...@hsph.harvard.edu>
Dr. Nihad Daidzic (USA) <daid...@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
Fethulah Smailbegovic (Germany, Zv) <feth...@athene.informatik.uni-bonn.de>
Beganovic Timur (Sarajevo)
Karabegovic Adnan (Sarajevo)
Hasicic Ajdin (Bos. Samac)
Ajanovic Kenan (Tesanj)
Talic Armin (Sarajevo)
Dr. Dzevat Omeragic (Canada) <dze...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA>
Dr. Muhidin Lelic (USA, Tuzla) <mle...@empros.com>
Zenska grupa Tresnjevka - Women's Group Tresnjevka (Hrvatska)
<zens...@alf.tel.hr>
Mentor Cana (USA, Struga) <ca...@b12409.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Sendijarevic Sefika (USA, Modrica)
Midhat Tihic (Slovenia, Vlasenica) <midhat...@uni-mb.si>
Stjepan Balog (USA)
Haris Tanovic (USA, Mostar) <0020...@bigred.unl.edu>
Demir Cehajic <We lost your email addres. Please send it again.>
Zehra Cehajic
Sutkovic Sabina (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Sutkovic Zijada (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Sutkovic Ajsa (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Sutkovic Fahra (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Rusmira Tourneux (France) <jtou...@planete.net>
Mr. Semir Kazazic (USA, Mostar) <se...@io.org>
Armin Karabegovic (USA, Prijedor) <c65...@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
Ajsa Fazlic (Croatia, Tuzla) <hui...@zamir-zg.ztn.apc.org>
Anto Mijic (Croatia, Orasje)
Branka Zagar (Croatia, Brcko)
Mirsad Malkovic (Croatia, Kladanj)
Nermin Tagic (Croatia, Banovici)
Salem Halilovic (Croatia, Kladanj)
Renato Ivelj (Croatia, Zenica)
Janja Nedic (Croatia, Orasje)
Zvjezdana Balazic (Croatia, Osijek)
Fatima Baban (Croatia, Banovici)
Senka Baban (Croatia, Banovici)
Vlado Baban (Osijek)
Slavko Baban (Osijek)
Zdenko Galusic (Croatia, Tuzla)
Vesna Hajrulahovic (Croatia, Orasje)
Tomislav Matovic (Croatia, Sarajevo)
Ivan Guberovic (Croatia, Bosanski Brod)
Ivan Kelava (Croatia, Orasje)
Dubravko Dzoic (Croatia, Orasje)
Zeljko Marosevic (Croatia, Orasje)
Zdenko Ivkic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)
Zeljko Stazic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)
Ruzica Masic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)
Ana Grgic (Croatia, Teslic)
Kata Arambasic (Croatia, Odzak)
Miralem Imamovic (Austrija, Tuzla)
Vladimir Stojanovic (Austrija Tuzla)
Snjezana Katinic (Croatia, Bosanski Brod)
Ivica Kljajic (Croatia, Derventa)
Davor Bozic (Croatia, ASarajevo)
Jasminko Beso (USA, Mostar) <JB...@ix.netcom.com> tel: (619) 568 0672
Alajbegovic Esad (USA, Mostar)
Alajbegovic Marija (USA, Mostar)
Ceranic Ibrahim (USA, Mostar)
Ceranic Rahima (USA, Mostar)
Ceranic Nedjad (USA, Mostar)
Ceranic Jasmina (USA, Mostar)
Ceranic Sanja (USA, Mostar)
Ceranic Djevad (USA, Mostar)
Tipura Omer (USA, Mostar)
Tipura Seha (USA, Mostar)
Jerkic Mario (USA, Mostar)
Jerkic Refika (USA, Mostar)
Tipura Muhamed (USA, Mostar)
Terzic Salko (USA, Mostar)
Terzic Hatidja (USA, Mostar)
Terzic Miro (USA, Mostar)
Terzic Mirela (USA, Mostar)
Halilhodjic Djevad (USA, Mostar)
Halilhodjic Nevenka (USA, Mostar)
Halilhodjic Merita (USA, Mostar)
Zazula Amra (USA, Mostar)
Zazula Srdjan (USA, Mostar)
Pravdic Sanja (USA, Mostar)
Pravdic Vlado (USA, Mostar)
Badjak Alija (USA, Mostar)
Badjak Alija (USA, Mostar)
Badjak Semsa (USA, Mostar)
Badjak Armin (USA, Mostar)
Badjak Alen (USA, Mostar)
Beso Snjezana (USA, Mostar)
Beso Halil (USA, Mostar)
Beso Zejna (USA, Mostar)
Vikic Jasna (USA, Mostar)
Vikic Rudolf (USA, Mostar)
Mijan Minja (USA, Mostar)
Mijan Rino (USA, Mostar)
Ajanovic Enisa (USA, Mostar)
Ajanovic Emir (USA, Mostar)
Ajanovic Tarik (USA, Mostar)
Numankadic Djemal (USA, Mostar)
Numankadic Jelisaveta (USA, Mostar)
Hadjiosmanovic Denan (USA, Mostar)
Hadjiosmanovic Nadjida (USA, Mostar)
Djukic Nazif (USA, Mostar)
Djukic Majda (USA, Mostar)
Djukic Eldina (USA, Mostar)
Djukic Eldin (USA, Mostar)
Sunjic Jadranka (USA, Mostar)
Heric Omer (USA, Mostar)
Heric Samija (USA, Mostar)
Heric Amer (USA, Mostar)
Sator Hamo (USA, Mostar)
Sator Azra (USA, Mostar)
Rahimic Hatidja (USA, Mostar)
Rahimic Emila (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic Sabahudin (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic Fatima (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic Djenan (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic Lamija (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic Ejub (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic Duda (USA, Mostar)
Dizdarevic Faruk (USA, Mostar)
Dizdarevic Fadila (USA, Mostar)
Dizdarevic Mithad (USA, Mostar)
Dizdarevic Mediha (USA, Mostar)
Janjic Darko (USA, Mostar)
Janjic Vesna (USA, Mostar)
Rizvanbegovic Faruk (USA, Mostar)
Rizvanbegovic Farida (USA, Mostar)
Rizvanbegovic Samir (USA, Mostar)
Begovic Bakir (USA, Mostar)
Muminovic Makbula (USA, Mostar)
Cupina Emina (USA, Mostar)
Cupina Jasmin (USA, Mostar)
Cupina Jasminka (USA, Mostar)
Djulic Esad (USA, Mostar)
Djulic Ramiza (USA, Mostar)
Jerkovic Nijaz (USA, Mostar)
Jerkovic Nenad (USA, Mostar)
Jerkovic Azra (USA, Mostar)
Velagic Mustafa (USA, Mostar)
Velagic Alen (USA, Mostar)
Velagic Esmer (USA, Mostar)
Velagic Marija (USA, Mostar)
KAZAZIC / MUSTAFE/ REMZIJA (USA, Mostar)
KAZAZIC /SALKE/ ADEMA (USA, Mostar)
KAZAZIC /REMZIJA/ ALMIR (USA, Mostar)
KAZAZIC /MIRZE/ EDIN (USA, Mostar)
DJELILOVIC / MEHE / ZIJO (USA, Mostar)
DJELILOVIC / SUKRIJE / DJENANA (USA, Mostar)
FRANCIC ZELJKO (USA, Mostar)
FRANCIC NEVENKA (USA, Mostar)
DJANKOVIC / ISMETA / HATIDJA (USA, Mostar)
PITIC / ISMETA / EDIN (USA, Mostar)
IDRIZ SEMIR (USA, Mostar)
Migdat Hodzic (USA, Banja Luka) <73541...@CompuServe.COM>
Ognjen Sokolovic (Canada, Sarajevo) <og...@triad.org>
Mirza Balic (USA, Mostar) <afc...@mindspring.com>
Almin Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka) <almin_m...@notes.frontes.se>
Ismet Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Behija Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Senad Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Marija Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Kata Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Ivana Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Marijana Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Tarita Tomic (Swedwn, Tuzla)
Emir Ibarahimpasic (USA, Modrica) <ie...@piper.hamline.edu>
Ibrahim Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
Refija Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
Emira Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
Alija Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
Zejnilovic, Adnan (USA, Banja Luka) <ad...@bridge.net>
Zejnilovic, Emina (USA, Banja Luka)
Zejnilovic, Lejla (USA, Banja Luka)
Dr. Zejnilovic, Fehmija (Libya, Banja Luka)
Rizvanovic, Naila (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Rizvanovic, Muharem (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Rizvanovic, Suad (Sweden, Banja, Luka)
Rizvanovic, Merima (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Keserovic, Besima (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Keserovic, Serif (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Keserovic, Mirza (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Keserovic, Nihad (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Hodzic, Hajrija (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Hodzic, Asim (Sweden, Banja, Luka)
Hodzic Sabahudin (Sweden, Banja, Luka)
Hukic, Ibrahim (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Hukic, Asima (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Hukic, Mesud (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Pandic, Irfan (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Pandic, Iran (Norway, Banja Luka)
Pandic, Haris (Sweden, Banja Luka)
Dr. Mirsad Hadzikadic (USA, Banja Luka) <mir...@UNCC.edu>
Omer Ayan (Australia) <omer...@hutch.com.au>
Almasa Ayan (Australia)
Sulejman Ayan (Australia)
mr. Sabit I. Milinkich (Australia, Tuzla)
Dr. Mustafa Karavdic (Australia)
Alija Ramic (Australia)
Muriz Delic (Australia)
Kasim Dlakic (Australia)
Nazif Efica (Australia)
Dzevat Alic (Australia)
Damir Palavra (Croatia, Zenica) <dpal...@fly.cc.fer.hr>
Amir Imamovic (Austria, Banja Luka) <imam...@highnet.co.at>
Amra Imamovic (Austria, Banja Luka)
Muhiba Imamovic (Sanski Most, Banja Luka)
Muhamrem Imamovic (Sanski Most, Banja Luka)
Zlatko Ferizovic (Austria, Banja Luka)
Sanja Sovic (Austria, Maglaj)
Enes Torlic (USA, Tuzla) <EnesT...@aol.com>
Daniel Kovacic (Australia, Stolac) <Mi...@Bluesky.net.au>
Kemal Kovacic (Australia, Stolac)
Margaret Kovacic (Australia, Stolac)
Sandra Kovacic (Australia, Stolac)
Mithad Kovacic (Australia, Stolac)
Almina Kovacic (Australia, Ostrozac)
Hamdija Todorovac (USA, Banja Luka)
Mirsad Zilic (Denmark, Banja Luka) <Mirsad...@75198596.da.diatel.dk>
Jasmin Puzic (Denmark, Odzak) <jas...@post1.tele.dk>
Medina Puzic (Denmark, Odzak)
Nurija Puzic (Denmark, Odzak)
Sadeta Puzic (Denmark, Odzak)
Nihada Kadic (Croatia)
Catak Vahid (Germany, Bosanska Gradiska)
Catak Muharem (Germany, Bosanska Gradiska)
Catak Denis (Germany, Bos. Gradiska)
Catak Dino (Germany, Bos. Gradiska)
Hodzic Nasiha (Germany, Bos. Dubica)
Hodzic Husein (Germany, Bos. Dubica)
Hodzic Amra (Germany, Bos. Dubica)
Hodzic Muhamed (Germany, Bos. Dubica)
Osmanovic Refudin (Germany, Bos. Gradiska)
Osmanovic Merima (Germany, Bos. Gradiska)
Osmanovic Zehra (Sweden, Bos. Gradiska)
Osmanovic Behudin (Sweden, Bos. Gradiska)
Toromanovic Dika (Australia, Travnik)
Toromanovic Sukrija (Australia, Travnik)
Jakupovic Safeta (USA, Kozarac)
Jakupovic Hasan (USA, Kozarac)
Jakupovic Emina (USA, Kozarac)
Gerovic Sabrija (USA, Bratunac)
Aisa Hodo (BiH, Gorazde)
Aida Sulejmanovic (Austria, Bihac)
Mirzeta Hadzikadic (USA, Banja Luka)
Sulejman Hadzikadic (USA, Banja Luka)
Lejla Hadzikadic (USA, Banja Luka)
* Zejfa Hadzikadic (USA, Banja Luka)
Hasan Komic (USA, Banja Luka)
Daira Komic (USA, Banja Luka)
Hajrija Komic (USA, Bos. Krupa)
Islam Jakupovic (USA, Prijedor)
Suada Jakupovic (USA, Prijedor)
Mirsad Selimbegovic (USA, Kozarac)
Sajima Selimbegovic (USA, Kozarac)
Adnan Trakic (USA, Tuzla) <adtr...@aol.com>
Almir Karacic (Sweden) <ex...@nana.slu.se>
Eldina Dozo (Australia) <Elle...@uoW.edu.au>
Elvir Dozo (Australia)
Sakib Dozo (Australia)
Sucrija Dozo (Australia)
Ajkuna Muminovic (Tuzla, Vlasenica)
Rasim Muminovic (Tuzla, Vlasenica)
Emila Muminovic (Tuzla, Vlasenica)
* Dervis Krgo (USA, Stolac)
* Omar Krgo (USA, Stolac)
* Jasmina Krgo (USA, Stolac)
* Mirsada Krgo (USA, Stolac)
* Saladin Cerimagic (USA, Prijedor)
* Omer Car (USA, Livno)
* Suljo Limic (USA, Bosanski Petrovac)
* Jasmina Prosenica (New Zeland, B. Luka) <jasmina_...@MAIL.TAIT.CO.NZ>
* Kemal Hadzic (Holland, Doboj) <had...@fwi.uva.ne>
* Samir Hadzic (Bosnia-Herzegovina, Doboj) <had...@fwi.uva.ne>
* Semir Taletovic (USA, Tuzla) <USTAL...@msuvx2.memphis.edu>
* Ubejd Benjamin Mujagic (USA, Cazin) <umu...@comp.uark.edu>
* Edin Rosic (USA, Cazin)
* Amira Arslic (USA, Sarajevo) <ami...@nwfs.gse.upenn.edu>
* Elezovic Zonka (USA, Modrica)
* Elezovic Munib (USA, Modrica)
* Eminovic Admir (USA, Sarajevo)
* Eminovic Belma (USA, Sarajevo)
* Omerbasic Delila (USA, Sarajevo)
* Hodzic Sefika (USA, Sarajevo)
* Hodzic Edin (USA, Sarajevo)
* Hodzic Sead (USA, Sarajevo)
* Dr. Belkisa Avdic (USA, Tuzla)
* Ismar Avdic (USA, Tuzla)
* Adaleta Avdic (USA, Tuzla)
* Dzevdana Alic (USA, Sarajevo)
* Hasan Alic (USA, Sarajevo)
* Djuric Radomir (USA) <Djuric_...@bah.com>
* Cenanovic Zahida (USA, Derventa) Trazi nestale: Cemanovic Emira i Aliju i
Nakic Edinu, svi iz Dervente. Javiti na az...@tiac.net
* Cenanovic Milica (USA, Derventa)
* Cenanovic Dobrila (USA, Derventa)
* Smail Kustric (Turska, Banja Luka) <kust...@boun.edu.tr>
* denotes the names on the list added last weak.
Friends of Bosnia-Herzegovina from other countries also want to support
the action.
Mr. Atif Shaukat Iqbal (Lahor Cantt, Pakistan) <co...@asiqbal.brain.com.pk>
Syed Zahidi (Boston, USA) <sza...@lynxs.dac.neu.edu>
Arif Rafiq (New York, USA) <bil...@ix.nnetcom.com>
Hayrani Oz (Ohio, USA) <oz...@osu.edu>
Noureddine Hezit (Vancouver, Canada) <he...@max.net.com>
Amerha Rafiq (New York, USA)
Nasiha Rafiq (New York, USA)
Ahmed Rafiq (New York, USA)
Samira Rafiq (New York, USA)
Razija Rafiq (New York, USA)
Ayub Malakana (New York, USA)
Asma Malakana (New York, USA)
Aktha Malakana (New York, USA)
Reza Dilugani (New York, USA)
Peter Baeumle (Germany) <p.ba...@oln.comlink.apc.org>
Dr. Jafar Mana (Boston, USA) <jaf...@aol.com>
Sohel Q. Khan (USA) <sk...@tisl.ukans.edu>
Moyn Uddin (London, England) <Moyn_...@panews.press.net>
Kirk Haselton (Germany) <hase...@rz.uni-podsdam.de>
Rebeca Currie (USA) <RAn...@aol.com>
Leon Charles Biser (USA) <petr...@usa.pipeline.com>
Jay Taylor (USA) <tayl...@fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov>
Peter Zrinski (Olofstron, Sweden) <pvov....@memo.volvo.se
Dr. Boris Voh (USA) <Bor...@aol.com>
Suzanne Nashem Voh (USA) <Bor...@aol.com>
Paul Mengujoh (Detroit, USA)
Christopher J. Bolton (USA) <chr...@moe.coe.uga.edu
Naseer Akhtar (Pakistan) <nas...@akhtar.isb.erum.com.pk>
Dr. Mayanovic, Robert Aziz (USA) <ram...@cnas.smsu.edu>
Hams El-Gabri (USA) <8202...@umbsky.cc.umb.edu>
Vagn Rasmusen (denmark) <vagn...@cybernet.dk>
Association of Pakistani-Muslim students at Monkato State University;
74 members; for Association: Mashood Yunus <na...@krypton.monkato.msus.edu>
Umit Ocak (USA) <Uxo...@cougarnet.byu.edu>
Mohammad Nasrullah (London, UK) <M.NAS...@ic.ac.uk>
Irfan Mirza <w...@adam.2001net.com>
Dr. John Buonchristiani (Boston, USA)
Ajaz M. Siraj <si...@Intellistor.COM>
Roslan Abdullah (Boston, USA)
Nuruhuda Abdulaziz (Boston, USA)
AbdAllah Othman <oth...@scf.usc.edu>
Jan-Luc Tournex (France) <jtou...@planete.net>
Miro Curac (USA,Croatia) <mac...@ucdavis.edu>
Tamara Curac (USA, Croatia)
Ivica Curac (USA, Croatia)
Nick Curac (USA, Croatia)
Susan Rabak (USA, Croatia)
Marion Rabak (USA, Croatia)
Shaikh Abdul Jabar (Dubai) <ASH...@SCBUAE.MHS.CompuServe.COM>
Dr. Shakib Misherghi (USA) <sha...@acm.org>
Dr. Edzard Schmidt-Jortzig (Germany) <schmidt...@mdb1.bn.eunet.de>
Mohamed Mafaz Mohideen (Dubai) <MMO...@SCBUAE.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM>
Dr. Ana Sotrel (USA, Croatia)
Nol Shala (Rep. Kosova) <pris...@aol.com>
Gail E. Schneider (USA) <Archi...@aol.com>
Shakeel Rahman (USA) <she...@us.oracle.com>
Ali Siddiqui (USA) <sidd...@ia-us.com>
M. Rehan Khan (USA) <M.Reha...@Dartmouth.EDU>
Munaf Ahmed (USA) <ahm...@mtest.teradyne.com>
Mamadou Biangoro Ibrahim (USA) <mibr...@us.oracle.com>
Sharaaz Khan (USA) <shar...@s1.GANet.net>
Kelly Masood <SMTP:kma...@fmi.fujitsu.com>
Dr. Bahman Zangenah (USA) <ZANG...@neu.edu>
Deborah Gaunt (UK) <debs...@aol.com>
* Mahan Eshaiker (USA) <pac...@e2.empirenet.com>
* Igor Bogdanovic (Croatia) <ibo...@jagor.srce.hr>
* Nibras Kazimi (USA) <st94...@pip.cc.brandais.edu)
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U povodu objavljenih izbornih pravila i propisa Privremene izborne
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Ne ubijajte nas vi ponovo.
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NEKA NAM ZIVI JEDINSTVENA I NEDJELJIVA BOSNA I HERCEGOVINA
Boston, 19. 05. 1996
Dragi zemljaci,
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Aren't You and your shiekh Haqqani sufies??!
Do not haqqani sufies go to graves and ask the dead for help saying
"madada ya fulan fulan" (help so and so) ???
Do you not believe that you "can become one with Allah" (wal-3iyath
Billah from this great Kufr)
Listen to the tape "Sufism unvield" by shiekh Ali Al-Tamimi.
It exposes the innovation and misgidence of some Sufi scholars and their
mission in fooling several thousands of unaware muslims.
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Abdur-Rahman
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. THE EVER-MERCIFUL, THE MERCY-GIVING.
All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
Heavenly Salutations and Peace be upon the Messenger of Allah
and upon his family, his noble companions
and all those who follow them in righteousness until the Day of Judgement.
In article <4so1do$q...@mordred.gatech.edu>
jk...@math.gatech.edu "Jochen Katz" writes:
> > What deep seated prejudices?
>
> that Christianity is racist, for example. Something which is thrown at me by
> Muslims all the time. Especially black Muslims. It might not be your opinion,
> but I guess it is, from what you write below.
Look, let me make this clear to you.
I take my religion from the Qur'an and the Sunna.
Does the Qur'an or Sunna tell me that i should believe that Christianity is
racist?
No it doesn't, so i don't. I do believe that most Churchs are racist simply
because most Churches are established in Nationalistic countries not because
Christianity tells them to be racist. Nationalism is racism.
I'll be honest with you (i don't have anything to hide) i couldn't care less
wether Christianity preaches racism or not.
I talk to Christians almost every day and racism has never been an issue of
contention even though the Christian i am conversing with may be a hard-core
facist.
THE ISSUE IS GOD (ALLAH). I hate Christianity (i told you i ain't got nothing
to hide) because it is an abberation of the true monotheistic teachings of Jesus
the son of Mary and Messiah to the Jews. I hate Christianity because it insults
and reviles Allah by ascribing to His Majesty a son (Glorified be He above such
a blasphemy. It (Christianity)says that He is three, that everyone is a born
sinner. It denies the Prophet Muhammad even though he is clearly mentioned and
named in the Bible. That God begot Himself, worshipped Himself only to kill
Himself for the sins of mankind (yet He created them into sin???) etc, etc.
Polytheism (Shirk) is the greatest oppression so it is only natural that other
lesser forms of oppression like racism would be tolerated or practiced.
Thats what i have to say on the issue. I don't know how i could make it clearer
to you. Neither am i a racist nor do i say all Christians and all Churches are
racist. Nor do i deny there are Muslim racists.
> No, you have to go back and see what you wrote and let me quote verbatim:
> "... and the racism of the Church nessecccitates that they were [white]."
CONTEXT, CONTEXT what came before 'and'.
> You said "THE racism of the Church" and not "racism within this specific
> church".
> You put the determinative article before the word racism which means that this
> is something "naturally" belonging to the Church. Further you put let the word
> "church" start in upper case letter, which means that you are talking about
> the universal Church, and not just a local congregation.
Give a break please. As if i conciously went out to type lower or upper case.
> > No you could never say Islam is racist by nature because unlike Christianity
> > Islam, the religion, is based upon divine inspiration alone i.e. The Qur'an
> > and the Sunna (example of the Prophet Muhammad).
> > And the Qur'an and the Sunna condemn racism outright.
> Well, the Bible does too.
Where?
> Just look at reality, not theory. And be fair and compare Biblical values to
> Qur'anic values and Christian practice to Islamic practice. Don't compare the
> Islamic ideal to the Christian abberations, or Islamic utopia to sins
> committed by (nominal or misguided) Christians against their the command of
> God in their own scriptures.
> You would not like me to compare the actual cruelty of real life Muslim
> terrorists to the lofty ideals of Jesus in the sermon of the mount. Let us
> compare things on an appropriate level. Not the best of one side against the
> worst of the other. Agreed?
> If you don't want me to judge Islam by looking at those who claim to be Muslim
> then please grant the Christians the same.
> It is hypocritical to set up different standards to force a good outcome for
> your side and a bad one for the others.
Agreed, but you are making false accusations. Where is my denial of Christian
abberation. I have not practiced double standards nor hypocrisy you seem to
alledge.
> > As Christianity has, however, been shaped by 'Church fathers' and continues
> > to be adapted and modified, the writt of the Church is SACRED LAW.
> > Throughout history many groups and societies have used Biblical
> > verses to justify racism.
> Okay, let me ask you: If you ask the Muslims in Sudan, who sell slaves, don't
> you think they will find Islamic reasons to justify this? I can promise you,
> they will.
Yes they will. So? We are talking about men decided what is Divine. Read on.
> > Islam is not moulded by its followers, so if you find a racist Muslim then
> > he/she is a sinner to be condemmed, not the other way around.
>
> > Islam is a club, you are only a member if you play by the rules.
>
> well, what is so different with the church?
The difference is that the Protestants have Synods where they CHANGE their
religion to fit into modern culture.
The Catholics have a man to whom they claim infallibility. His words are Gods.
Islam has no such 'modifiing and deciding God's Religion' system. Nor do we have
heirarchies of Priests and Bishops. All come before Allah as His Slaves.
"Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian. The road
which lead from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century
Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding
the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching. It
therefore devoloped against constant Unitarian, or at least anti-Trintarian
opposition, and it was never wholly victorious." Enc. Americana.
"Say and do whatever it takes to make them confess their faith in Christ."
T.S. Elliot said "Christianity is always adapting itself into something which
can be believed". This approach has resulted "in the continued absorption of
Church into culture (then pagan, now rave), and the re-absorption of the culture
into the changing structure of the Church" thus allowing many people to "return
to Christianity."
> > Again this is a non-issue. Am i going to deny that the Companions of the
> > Prophet sought refuge in the BLACK Christian Kingdom of Abbysinia?
>
> So? Black bishops and church leaders are a non-issue? But black leaders in
> the Muslim community, even among the companions of Muhammad do prove the
> non-racism of Islam?
You have again totally missed the point here.
> Jochen Katz
Abdur-Rahman. M'bro, U.K.
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Hazem Nasereddin (ht...@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca) wrote:
: Aren't You and your shiekh Haqqani sufies??!
: Do not haqqani sufies go to graves and ask the dead for help saying
: "madada ya fulan fulan" (help so and so) ???
adulation of the dead
is nothing new nor specific to any one religon.
"pure" sunni islam frowns on the practice (with one exceptin,
adulating/visiting the tomb of mohamed, at Medina)
one of the first egyptian religeous reformers
(he probably took a leaf from
the saudi mohamed abdel wahab, whom the egyptian mohamed aly captured & sent
to his boss in constantinople to behead.
)
was mohamed abdu, the disciple of gamal ed din el afaghani, of the turn of
the century.
one disciple of the previous 2 sheiks, was the nationalist (hence poor)
fired egyptian army officer, the poet of the nile
hafez bey (second class bey) ibrahim.
hafiz was sooooo poor
hafiz bey envied the dead
the tombs
the shrines
with all those flowing offerings
hafiz said his lesser known short qessida :
would i have the good furtune of those enterred in a a holy tomb/shrine
around which ardent worship is practiced
and worshippers vehemently chant :
is the Holy Enshrined ... THE route ... to the chosen prophet (mohamed, off
course) !
is the Holy Enshrined ... THE technique ... to fulfill ardent needs ... !
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men lee bi HeZZil na-imeen bi Hofretin
Qamet @ela eHjariha eS Selewato
we yo Qalo : HaZa el Qotbo, bab ol moStefa !
we weseeleton, toQDa biha el Hajoto !
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