the word 'muzungu'
Constantine
Scotland"...about Idi Amin Dada...
Throughout the book the Africans called Europeans 'muzungu'...is this
true..is it fiction...is said in a bad manner?
Thanks,
Constantine
Hamakala
"Mu-zungu" is a compound word. The root is "zungu" whichdenotes white or of
European descent. The prefix "mu" is equivalent to "the one who is" so that the
word means "the one who is white/European". It is neither derogatory nor
idolatory,.. it is a matter of factly appellation or a
description, which ever you prefer..
hama
Dr. Y. Salim
Regards Yussuf
No name
>"Mu-zungu" is a compound word. The root is "zungu"
>whichdenotes white or of European descent. The prefix "mu" is
>equivalent to "the one who is" so that the word means "the
>one who is white/European". It is neither derogatory nor
>idolatory,.. it is a matter of factly appellation or a
>description, which ever you prefer..
Having lived in Malawi for several years, I was always taught
that Mzungu, or the more formal and polite for Azungu, is
derived from the verb kuzungulira, which means to travel in
circles. The story goes that when white men first came to
what was then Nyasaland (people like Livingstone) they were
asked what they were doing in Africa, and the replied that
they were travelling arounf the globe. In other words,
travelling in circles. Hence the term.
In Malawi the term is not derogatroy at all, and even African
-Americans are refered to as "Azungu". It has nothing to do
with color, but that fact of being a foreigner.
At least that's the story im Malawi.
Hamakala
>In Malawi the term is not derogatroy at all, and even African
>-Americans are refered to as "Azungu". It has nothing to do
only white Americans are Ba Zungu...
>with color, but that fact of being a foreigner.
>
>At least that's the story im Malawi.
>
Muzungu denotes color even in Malawi and I should know because one of my
martenal grand fathers Mthalimanja (the long armed one) was Ngoni and I speak
chewa, the predorminant language in Malawi fluently among the many Bantu
languages I speak...
hama
Hamakala
>Muzungu means a whiteman or woman as well if you like.
>Regards Yussuf
>
Not as well, but only ... Muzungu literally means white one (or of-Europe)...
hama
Rootsman
this yet you type crap.!!!
It also means something better in the eyes of some Kenyan Blacks in double
speak!!
>Subject: Re: the word 'muzungu'
>From: hama...@cs.com (Hamakala)
>Date: Fri, 31 December 1999 10:15 AM EST
>Message-id: <19991231101507...@ng-fm1.news.cs.com>
No name
>Muzungu denotes color even in Malawi and I should know because one of my
>martenal grand fathers Mthalimanja (the long armed one) was Ngoni and I speak
>chewa, the predorminant language in Malawi fluently among the many Bantu
>languages I speak...
>
>>hama
I still disagree. As a Peace Corps Volunteer who lived, worked, and studied
Chichewa in Malawi for more than 3 years, I still contend that "Azungu" doesn't
necessary refer to color. There were several African-American volunteers in
Malawi who were constantly referred to as Azungu by Malawians. No matter how
much they argued that they were not white and therefore shouldn't be called
Azungu made no difference. To the Malawians, they were foreigners (or
travellers, from the verb "Kuzungulira") whatever their color, and were called
Azungu.
By the way, the Ngoni are not Bantus, but related to the Zulus, with a
different language. Chichewa may be a second or third language for your
maternal grandfather, and interpretations may have been lost in the
translations. If you know Chichewa, as you claim, then you are familiar with
the verb Kuzungulira, from which Azungu is derived.
What happens in other East Africans countries I can't say.
mambo
Hamakala
>Mzungu in Kenya where I come
Now we know a little more about you. You are white, evidently carrying a Kenyan
passport and a faggot on full time basis, sinking other mens poles in your
mouth right after you pluck them out of your butt.. Are you of Greek
extraction? I only ask the question because that is normally the case..
>from stands for whiteman. You dont even know
>about
>this yet you type crap.!!!
>
>It also means something better in the eyes of some Kenyan Blacks in double
>speak!!
hama
Hamakala
>I still disagree. As a Peace Corps Volunteer who lived, worked, and studied
>Chichewa in Malawi for more than 3 years, I still contend that "Azungu"
>doesn't
>necessary refer to color.
Listen, I am the expert. Chewa is one of the languages spoken in my home
everyday. 1/4 of my family is Ngoni... Trust me... Muzungu means white even
though it may have other connotations..
> There were several African-American volunteers in
>Malawi who were constantly referred to as Azungu by Malawians.
My little niece went to England at age 3 and came back speak speaking little a
British girl and was called "Ka muzungu" (=a small white person) by her 7 year
old friends... This is nothing more than an honorary application of the word
because of the perceived mannerisms and way of speaking of the subject. They
are implying that the person has ways akin to those of a white person...
> No matter how
>much they argued that they were not white and therefore shouldn't be called
>Azungu made no difference. To the Malawians, they were foreigners (or
>travellers, from the verb "Kuzungulira") whatever their color, and were
>called
>Azungu.
Muzungu is not just a Malwain word. In some Angola dialects, it is presents
itself as Musungu.
Your derivation is therefore wrong..
>By the way, the Ngoni are not Bantus, but related to the Zulus, with a
>different language.
The Ngonis are not Bantu, the Zulu are not Bantu? you think you would do well
to investigate the subject before you dabble in it?
The Zulus, Xhosa, Ngoni, etc belong to the Nguni branch of the Bantu. Together,
there almost 300 million Bantu stretching from Southern Cameroon all the way to
South African. In South Africa, other than the Khoi-San all the black people
are Bantu. In Malawi, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Zambia, Angola, 100% of the black
population is Bantu. And please don't bother to post an argument...
>Chichewa may be a second or third language for your
>maternal grandfather, and interpretations may have been lost in the
>translations. If you know Chichewa, as you claim, then you are familiar with
>
>the verb Kuzungulira, from which Azungu is derived.
With three years of experience in Malawi you have acquired the etymology of
Bantu language?
Listen and we will teach you, ok.
>What happens in other East Africans countries I can't say.
Makes no difference. There is practically no structural diffence among Bantu
languages....
hama
Hamakala
>in Zimbabwe (manyika language) muzungu is a honkey
>
As in any other Muntu language where the word is used..
hama
Rootsman
reasoning!! Stupid fool.
>Listen, I am the expert. Chewa is one of the languages spoken in my home
>everyday. 1/4 of my family is Ngoni... Trust me... Muzungu means white even
>though it may h
>ubject: Re: the word 'muzungu'
>From: hama...@cs.com (Hamakala)
>Date: Sat, 01 January 2000 10:49 AM EST
>Message-id: <20000101104949...@ng-xb1.news.cs.com>
Rootsman
amateur, no I would say childish attempt at trying to find out about me, and
guess what it wont work.
Now continue to act like a monkey.
No name
xb1.news.cs.com>:
>Listen, I am the expert. Chewa is one of the languages spoken in my home
>everyday. 1/4 of my family is Ngoni... Trust me... Muzungu means white even
>though it may have other connotations..
If you are such an expert than you would know that Chewa refers to the people,
not the language. The language is called Chichewa (or Nyanja in Zambia)
>Muzungu is not just a Malwain word. In some Angola dialects, it is presents
>itself as Musungu.
>Your derivation is therefore wrong..
You didn't pay any attention to what I did say - which was that I was referring
only to the use of Azungu in Malawi. How it is used in other countries may be
different. At least I showed a possible derivation from the work
"kuzungalira". You have shown no derivation at all, other than to keep
reiterating it means white people. If you are such a language expert (even if
you can't get the name of the language correct) than give us a derivation.
>With three years of experience in Malawi you have acquired the etymology of
>Bantu language?
>Listen and we will teach you, ok.
I'm listening. Tell me how many years you spent in Malawi? And I never claimed
to have acquired the etymology of the whole Bantu language. I just claimed to
have studied Chichewa, and "Azungu" is something studied.
>>What happens in other East Africans countries I can't say.
>
>Makes no difference. There is practically no structural diffence among Bantu
>languages....
We aren't talking about structure but vocabulary. The grammatical structure
may be similar among the Bantu languages, but the words vary greatly.
Otherwise, why was Swahili created as a lingua-franca if all Bantu speaked
could understand one another?
Your scholarship, combined with a lack of any creditable credentials, doesn't
impress me much. Also, your abusive responses to most posts lead me to believe
you are just a troller, and not worthy of responding to further.
Hamakala
>This idiot seems to be an expert on everything!!! Except an expert on logical
>reasoning!! Stupid fool.
>
Uh faggot boy..I see you have got the pole out of your mouth long enough to
talk. Does your love of the Greek style indicate Greek descent?
hama
Hamakala
>You are the strangest piece of crap I have ever encountered. You use very
>amateur, no I would say childish attempt at trying to find out about me, and
>guess what it wont work
Crap was the one thing that never bothered you. Evidently you have a healthy
appettite for it given how you take men's dicks straight of ass holes straight
into your mouth..
>Now continue to act like a monkey.
Assuming this was true.. I would prefer it to being a faggot. But then you
probably have sodomized male monkeys too..
hama
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Rootsman
So how was the shit you tasted? Bet it was better than the stuff you write
here!!
>rap was the one thing that never bothered you. Evidently you have a healthy
>appettite for it given how you take men's dicks straight of ass holes
>straight
>into your mouth..
Monkey says as monkey does....
saka...@my-deja.com
Just here you came into agreement with rootsman who was arguing that
muzungu is a concept (europe)attached to someone not the colour of
skin .
Actually your argument with rootsman reminded me an argument I had with
someone because one of us took the definition of the word in
a "proper " sense (ethimological ) and the other one took the word in
the common usage .
Muzungu in comoros island mean white but I belief it is away from its
original meaning because talking with a few people I did not find any
culture which discribe a human being by its colour of skin except in
the indo european language .I guess in your country you have some
tribes with diverses shades are they called based on those difference
of colour of skin ,or based on ancestry name,historical fact or
personality .
Hassani Youssouf
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Before you buy.
Erik
experienced the word mzungu (=singular, wazungu = plural in kiswahili) being used
both in Zaire, Uganda and Tanzania for all kinds of not native, including asians
that was born in the countries. I understand the Kiswahili word as used in those
three countries as being just a not-native, a stranger if you wish.
Regards,
Erik Toft
Hamakala skriver:
> >I have recently read a book tittled "The Last King of
> >Scotland"...about Idi Amin Dada...
> >
> >Throughout the book the Africans called Europeans 'muzungu'...is this
> >true..is it fiction...is said in a bad manner?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Constantine
>
> "Mu-zungu" is a compound word. The root is "zungu" whichdenotes white or of
> European descent. The prefix "mu" is equivalent to "the one who is" so that the
> word means "the one who is white/European". It is neither derogatory nor
> idolatory,.. it is a matter of factly appellation or a
> description, which ever you prefer..
>
> hama
Rootsman
positive light from the indigenous africans point of view in Kenya at least.
Asians-the term in East Africa refers to Indians and Pakistani peoples there,
'Oriental' there is called catch all chinese. However, all the above are
classified as 'white' in the eyes of indigenous Kenyans.
As usual Ham man is muddying the waters
Hamakala
propagate the nonsense that the white man knows everything. From now on, I will
ignore all of you0
hama
Hamakala
>So how was the shit you tasted? Bet it was better than the stuff you write
>here!!
>
You should know, isn't that part of your regular diet as a homosexual? As for
the differences in the taste in shit, you might want to discuss that with those
of your life style who no doubt find such details titilating..
>Monkey says as monkey does....
Trust me. If shear the hair off a monkey, you will find that the two of you
share the same color. What's more the hair is also of the same texture. As are
the body proportions.. Check it out for your self...
hama
Rootsman
>You should know, isn't that part of your regular diet as a homosexual? As for
>the differences in the taste in shit, you might
I have better proportions in any area than you. Certainly better brain power!!!
Rootsman
>Subject: Re: the word 'muzungu'
>From: hama...@cs.com (Hamakala)
>Date: Tue, 04 January 2000 09:49 AM EST
>Message-id: <20000104094944...@ng-xb1.news.cs.com>
Rootsman
Yo what's up Nigga,
Knowing and anticipating your arrival. Got everything set, the place, the
music, the mood. Mary j. or Keith Sweat playin' low in the background, candles
burning, scents lingering in the air, bath water running.
I know that knock very well....opening the door, wearing nothing but an
erection. A warm embrace exchanged. Romoving your clothes, leading you into
the bathroom, entering the tub, rubbing the scented soap all over, massaging
you tenderly. Never speaking a word.
In the process of leading into the bedroom, you turn kissing me aggressivly,
making our way onto the bed. Hands wandering, traveling, exploring the unknown
area, leaving no place untouched. Each kiss more bittersweet than the last.
Taking over spreading your legs. I begin to kiss your inner thigh, nibbling at
your balls, fondeling your hard xxxx, reaching for your nipples, gently
twisting them, sucking all over your hard masculinity, in & out, up & down,
repeatedly, kissing all over your stomach making way to your nipples, playfully
biting them, moans emerging from within you. Sighs of pleasure.
Without notice, flipping you on your stomach, something warm and tingly drips
down your back, hands massaging the slippery substance, relaxing you more and
more, heading for your xxx, massing it, smacking it softly, spreading your
legs, dripping the oil down your xxx, over your tight xxxxxx, blowing around
the wet substance, tickling you, i begin inserting one finger at a time,
loosing you up, arousing the hunger within you, enjoying the sounds of
satisfaction your demonstrating.
I wanna feel u, Can i please xxx you, you ready......without hesitation you
begin yelling xxx me!!!!!!!
Turning you around so i can the expressions and feelings running through your
body. Watching the sweat running from your neck to nipples, pushing more thrust
after thrust........
To be continued.......
mambo
Hauna zvimwe zvekuita here???????
Rootsman
>Subject: Re: the word 'muzungu'
>From: "mambo" yeho...@hotmail.com
>Date: Tue, 04 January 2000 02:53 PM EST
>Message-id: <38725...@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>
>
>Rootsman
>
>Hauna zvimwe zvekuita here???????
>
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Hamakala
>I have better proportions in any area than you. Certainly better brain
>power!!!
You don't know that, any more than I know it. It is however the kind of rubbish
you believe because you are twig-dicked (fact) white man.
But that is irrelevant until we sit in an exam and seen who comes out ahead..
hama
jdhliwayo
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