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Andrew Di Giovanna
Jun 30, 2023, 3:59:29 AM6/30/23
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Paris
CNN
—
More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave of
protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.
France’s elite police force, the RAID, were deployed to the cities of
Bordeaux, Lyon, Roubaix, Marseille and Lille, to help contain the
protests.
Confrontations flared up between protesters and police in the Parisian
suburb of Nanterre – where the 17-year-old named Nahel was killed days
before – and in the southern port city of Marseille.
Amid burning debris, “vengeance pour Nael” appeared to be spray painted on
a wall in Nanterre, which translates to “revenge for Nael” in reference to
the slain teenager and using an alternative spelling of his name,
according to footage from the suburb.
A bank was set on fire in Nanterre, according to photographs from the
scene, and 15 people have been taken in for questioning by police after a
march held in memory of the teenager turned violent.
Protesters threw fireworks at police officers in Marseille, according to
CNN affiliate BFMTV, while footage from the northern city of Lille showed
fires burning on streets and running riot police officers. Six people were
taken in for questioning after participating in a protest banned by
authorities in Lille, the regional authority said in a Facebook post.
At least 421 people were arrested in the protests across France from
Thursday night into Friday morning, French Interior Minister Gerald
Darmanin told BFMTV.
More than half of those arrests took place in the Paris region, in the
departments of Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis and Val-de-Marne, BFMTV
reported, citing Paris police.
Earlier, Darmanin said police were instructed to “intervene
systematically” and expressed support for the police officers and
firefighters who “are doing a courageous job.”
President Emmanuel Macron will hold a crisis meeting Friday for the second
day in a row following Thursday night’s violence, BFMTV reported.
Authorities had hoped to avoid a repeat of the scenes that played out
Wednesday night, when police stations, town halls and schools were set
alight in various cities and about 150 people were arrested. The Interior
Ministry earlier said it planned on deploying 40,000 police officers
across the country Thursday – including 5,000 in Paris – to quell any
potential unrest.
The unrest broke out Tuesday, hours after a police traffic stop in
Nanterre resulted in the killing of Nahel. Over the course of a chaotic
night, 40 cars were burned and 24 police officers injured, French
authorities claimed. The police officer was put under formal investigation
for voluntary homicide and placed in preliminary detention, BFMTV reported
Thursday.
On Thursday, an estimated 6,000 people, according to BFMTV, joined a march
to honor Nahel led by his mother in Nanterre.
Many wore shirts emblazoned with “justice for Nahel,” while others shouted
the slogan. Some were seen holding signs saying “the police kill.” A
lawyer for the family on Thursday confirmed the spelling of the boy’s name
as Nahel; he was initially identified as Naël.
Buses and tramways in Lille shut down after 8 p.m. local time, according
to BFMTV, and a couple of Parisian suburbs have installed curfews.
The mother of 17-year-old Nahel, seen at left on a truck, gestures during
a march on Thursday.
Michel Euler/AP
Bus and tram services were also suspended in the Île-de-France region,
which includes Paris, from Thursday night, the local transport authority
said. Government ministers were asked to postpone non-urgent travel and
remain in Paris due to the protests, a government source told CNN on
Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity citing French professional
norms.
The violent scenes seen over the past two days have raised concerns that
Nahel’s death could lead to a level of unrest and rioting not seen since
2005, when the deaths of two teenage boys hiding from police sparked three
weeks of rioting and prompted the government to call a state of emergency.
Anger at police brutality
The video of Nahel’s killing has sparked a similar level of shock and
anger across France, touching a particular nerve among young men and women
of color who feel that they have been discriminated against by police. A
2017 study by the Rights Defenders, an independent human rights watchdog
in France, found that young men perceived to be Black or Arab were 20
times more likely to be stopped by police than their peers.
Many of these individuals are simply “tired,” journalist and racial
equality activist Rokhaya Diallo told CNN.
“People know and have been speaking about police brutality and have not
been heard,” she said.
The Algerian Foreign Ministry on Thursday extended its condolences to
Nahel’s family, saying in a statement their “grief and sorrow are widely
shared in our country” and that it will “closely follow the developments
of this tragic case.”
The ministry said it trusts the French government to “carry out their duty
to protect, assure peace of mind and security which Algerian nationals are
entitled to in their host country.”
French media have reported that the teenager was of Algerian descent.
Video of the shooting in Nanterre surfaced on social media shortly after
the incident took place Tuesday morning. The clip shows two police
officers standing on the driver’s side of a yellow Mercedes AMG, one near
the door and another near the left front fender. As the car attempts to
drive away, one officer is seen firing his sidearm.
The bullet that hit Nahel pierced his arm and chest. After fleeing the
scene, the car crashed into a stationary object at a nearby plaza. Nahel
was in the car with two others at the time of the incident. One passenger
in the vehicle was taken into custody and later released, while another,
who is believed to have fled the scene, is missing, authorities said.
This screengrab from video posted on Twitter shows the moment when police
interacted with a 17-year-old teen during a traffic stop in a Paris
suburb.
From @Ohana_Fgn/Twitter
The local Nanterre prosecutor, Pascal Prache, said Thursday that the
officers testified both drew their weapons and pointed them at the driver
to dissuade him from restarting the engine. The officer who fired his
weapon said, according to the prosecutor, that he was scared the boy would
run someone over with the car. However, Prache said it is believed the
officer accused of shooting and killing Nahel may have acted illegally in
doing so.
Lawyers for Nahel’s family slammed the decision not to pursue charges over
alleged false statements, claiming the officer said in his initial
declaration that “young Nahel had tried to run him over with the vehicle.”
CNN has asked the French national police for a response to the allegations
against the unnamed officer.
Police officers face protesters during clashes that broke out in the
Parisian suburb of Nanterre on June 29.
Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images
Prache said that Nahel had been known to authorities for a previous
“breach of rules,” but it is not clear what law or orders that pertains
to. The teen was expected to appear before a juvenile court in September.
Laurent-Franck Lienard, the lawyer of the officer accused of shooting
Nahel, told French radio station RTL that his client acted in “compliance
of the law.”
In another interview with BFMTV, he said that any accusations his client
lied in a statement were false as he had never made a written statement
and that his verbal testimony did not contradict the facts.
He claimed his client’s prosecution was “political” and being used as a
way to calm the violent tensions.
As to the deadly incident, Lienard said police officers had “struggled for
30 seconds” to detain the driver while the car had stopped. He added that
his client feared for the safety of the public as the car had nearly hit
pedestrians before the start of the video.
Lienard said his client was not the person in the video who shouted, “I’ll
put a bullet in your head,” while also suggesting that might not have been
what was said.
He added that his client was “devastated” by Nahel’s death and he did not
want to kill him. “He committed an act in a second, in a fraction of a
second. Perhaps he made a mistake, justice will tell,” Liénard said.
Protesters burn garbage bins and block a street during a protest in Paris
on June 29.
Fiachra GIBBONS/AFP/Getty Images
Questions of racism
Macron and other government officials, including Prime Minister Elisabeth
Borne, have called for patience to allow the criminal justice system to
run its course.
“We need calm for justice to carry out its work,” Macron said Wednesday.
“We can’t allow the situation to worsen.”
Rallying public support and goodwill, however, is likely to be difficult
for Macron’s government given how much political capital it spent in the
first half of 2023 pushing through unpopular pension reforms, which
sparked months of mostly peaceful mass protests.
Acknowledging the government’s massive unpopularity, Macron gave himself
100 days to heal and unite the country. That deadline is up on July 14,
France’s national day.
Firefighters extinguish a fire at an office of French bank Credit Mutuel
in the Parisian suburb of Nanterre on June 29, 2023.
Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images
Addressing allegations of institutional racism in France is particularly
challenging given the country’s unique brand of secularism, which seeks to
ensure equality for all by removing markers of difference, rendering all
citizens French first. In practice, however, the vigorous adherence to
French Republicanism often prevents the government from doing anything
that would appear to differentiate French citizens on the basis of race,
including collecting statistics.
Racial and religious data, where available, typically comes from private
institutions, and extra care is typically taken by politicians to avoid
circumscribing racial motives to state institutions.
A protester climbs on a building during clashes that broke out in
Nanterre.
Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images
“On a general level, people tend to think there is no racism in France.
And it’s one of the reasons people are so angry, because they feel and
experience racism on a daily basis,” said Diallo, the anti-racism
activist. “Despite that, they still face institutions, public discourse,
and media which still say that there is no racism and that the race debate
does not belong in France. And that’s the reason people are so angry and
so outraged.”
Government officials have so far not broached questions of racism in the
police. Leaders of opposition left-wing parties have focused their
criticisms on police violence rather than racism. Government spokesman
Olivier Veran told BFMTV that anger against the state itself, however, is
unjustified.
“It is not the republic that killed this young man,” Veran said. “It is
one man who must be judged if the justice system deems it necessary.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/europe/nanterre-france-police-shooting-
protests-intl-hnk/index.html
CNN
—
More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave of
protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.
France’s elite police force, the RAID, were deployed to the cities of
Bordeaux, Lyon, Roubaix, Marseille and Lille, to help contain the
protests.
Confrontations flared up between protesters and police in the Parisian
suburb of Nanterre – where the 17-year-old named Nahel was killed days
before – and in the southern port city of Marseille.
Amid burning debris, “vengeance pour Nael” appeared to be spray painted on
a wall in Nanterre, which translates to “revenge for Nael” in reference to
the slain teenager and using an alternative spelling of his name,
according to footage from the suburb.
A bank was set on fire in Nanterre, according to photographs from the
scene, and 15 people have been taken in for questioning by police after a
march held in memory of the teenager turned violent.
Protesters threw fireworks at police officers in Marseille, according to
CNN affiliate BFMTV, while footage from the northern city of Lille showed
fires burning on streets and running riot police officers. Six people were
taken in for questioning after participating in a protest banned by
authorities in Lille, the regional authority said in a Facebook post.
At least 421 people were arrested in the protests across France from
Thursday night into Friday morning, French Interior Minister Gerald
Darmanin told BFMTV.
More than half of those arrests took place in the Paris region, in the
departments of Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis and Val-de-Marne, BFMTV
reported, citing Paris police.
Earlier, Darmanin said police were instructed to “intervene
systematically” and expressed support for the police officers and
firefighters who “are doing a courageous job.”
President Emmanuel Macron will hold a crisis meeting Friday for the second
day in a row following Thursday night’s violence, BFMTV reported.
Authorities had hoped to avoid a repeat of the scenes that played out
Wednesday night, when police stations, town halls and schools were set
alight in various cities and about 150 people were arrested. The Interior
Ministry earlier said it planned on deploying 40,000 police officers
across the country Thursday – including 5,000 in Paris – to quell any
potential unrest.
The unrest broke out Tuesday, hours after a police traffic stop in
Nanterre resulted in the killing of Nahel. Over the course of a chaotic
night, 40 cars were burned and 24 police officers injured, French
authorities claimed. The police officer was put under formal investigation
for voluntary homicide and placed in preliminary detention, BFMTV reported
Thursday.
On Thursday, an estimated 6,000 people, according to BFMTV, joined a march
to honor Nahel led by his mother in Nanterre.
Many wore shirts emblazoned with “justice for Nahel,” while others shouted
the slogan. Some were seen holding signs saying “the police kill.” A
lawyer for the family on Thursday confirmed the spelling of the boy’s name
as Nahel; he was initially identified as Naël.
Buses and tramways in Lille shut down after 8 p.m. local time, according
to BFMTV, and a couple of Parisian suburbs have installed curfews.
The mother of 17-year-old Nahel, seen at left on a truck, gestures during
a march on Thursday.
Michel Euler/AP
Bus and tram services were also suspended in the Île-de-France region,
which includes Paris, from Thursday night, the local transport authority
said. Government ministers were asked to postpone non-urgent travel and
remain in Paris due to the protests, a government source told CNN on
Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity citing French professional
norms.
The violent scenes seen over the past two days have raised concerns that
Nahel’s death could lead to a level of unrest and rioting not seen since
2005, when the deaths of two teenage boys hiding from police sparked three
weeks of rioting and prompted the government to call a state of emergency.
Anger at police brutality
The video of Nahel’s killing has sparked a similar level of shock and
anger across France, touching a particular nerve among young men and women
of color who feel that they have been discriminated against by police. A
2017 study by the Rights Defenders, an independent human rights watchdog
in France, found that young men perceived to be Black or Arab were 20
times more likely to be stopped by police than their peers.
Many of these individuals are simply “tired,” journalist and racial
equality activist Rokhaya Diallo told CNN.
“People know and have been speaking about police brutality and have not
been heard,” she said.
The Algerian Foreign Ministry on Thursday extended its condolences to
Nahel’s family, saying in a statement their “grief and sorrow are widely
shared in our country” and that it will “closely follow the developments
of this tragic case.”
The ministry said it trusts the French government to “carry out their duty
to protect, assure peace of mind and security which Algerian nationals are
entitled to in their host country.”
French media have reported that the teenager was of Algerian descent.
Video of the shooting in Nanterre surfaced on social media shortly after
the incident took place Tuesday morning. The clip shows two police
officers standing on the driver’s side of a yellow Mercedes AMG, one near
the door and another near the left front fender. As the car attempts to
drive away, one officer is seen firing his sidearm.
The bullet that hit Nahel pierced his arm and chest. After fleeing the
scene, the car crashed into a stationary object at a nearby plaza. Nahel
was in the car with two others at the time of the incident. One passenger
in the vehicle was taken into custody and later released, while another,
who is believed to have fled the scene, is missing, authorities said.
This screengrab from video posted on Twitter shows the moment when police
interacted with a 17-year-old teen during a traffic stop in a Paris
suburb.
From @Ohana_Fgn/Twitter
The local Nanterre prosecutor, Pascal Prache, said Thursday that the
officers testified both drew their weapons and pointed them at the driver
to dissuade him from restarting the engine. The officer who fired his
weapon said, according to the prosecutor, that he was scared the boy would
run someone over with the car. However, Prache said it is believed the
officer accused of shooting and killing Nahel may have acted illegally in
doing so.
Lawyers for Nahel’s family slammed the decision not to pursue charges over
alleged false statements, claiming the officer said in his initial
declaration that “young Nahel had tried to run him over with the vehicle.”
CNN has asked the French national police for a response to the allegations
against the unnamed officer.
Police officers face protesters during clashes that broke out in the
Parisian suburb of Nanterre on June 29.
Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images
Prache said that Nahel had been known to authorities for a previous
“breach of rules,” but it is not clear what law or orders that pertains
to. The teen was expected to appear before a juvenile court in September.
Laurent-Franck Lienard, the lawyer of the officer accused of shooting
Nahel, told French radio station RTL that his client acted in “compliance
of the law.”
In another interview with BFMTV, he said that any accusations his client
lied in a statement were false as he had never made a written statement
and that his verbal testimony did not contradict the facts.
He claimed his client’s prosecution was “political” and being used as a
way to calm the violent tensions.
As to the deadly incident, Lienard said police officers had “struggled for
30 seconds” to detain the driver while the car had stopped. He added that
his client feared for the safety of the public as the car had nearly hit
pedestrians before the start of the video.
Lienard said his client was not the person in the video who shouted, “I’ll
put a bullet in your head,” while also suggesting that might not have been
what was said.
He added that his client was “devastated” by Nahel’s death and he did not
want to kill him. “He committed an act in a second, in a fraction of a
second. Perhaps he made a mistake, justice will tell,” Liénard said.
Protesters burn garbage bins and block a street during a protest in Paris
on June 29.
Fiachra GIBBONS/AFP/Getty Images
Questions of racism
Macron and other government officials, including Prime Minister Elisabeth
Borne, have called for patience to allow the criminal justice system to
run its course.
“We need calm for justice to carry out its work,” Macron said Wednesday.
“We can’t allow the situation to worsen.”
Rallying public support and goodwill, however, is likely to be difficult
for Macron’s government given how much political capital it spent in the
first half of 2023 pushing through unpopular pension reforms, which
sparked months of mostly peaceful mass protests.
Acknowledging the government’s massive unpopularity, Macron gave himself
100 days to heal and unite the country. That deadline is up on July 14,
France’s national day.
Firefighters extinguish a fire at an office of French bank Credit Mutuel
in the Parisian suburb of Nanterre on June 29, 2023.
Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images
Addressing allegations of institutional racism in France is particularly
challenging given the country’s unique brand of secularism, which seeks to
ensure equality for all by removing markers of difference, rendering all
citizens French first. In practice, however, the vigorous adherence to
French Republicanism often prevents the government from doing anything
that would appear to differentiate French citizens on the basis of race,
including collecting statistics.
Racial and religious data, where available, typically comes from private
institutions, and extra care is typically taken by politicians to avoid
circumscribing racial motives to state institutions.
A protester climbs on a building during clashes that broke out in
Nanterre.
Zakaria Abdelkafi/AFP/Getty Images
“On a general level, people tend to think there is no racism in France.
And it’s one of the reasons people are so angry, because they feel and
experience racism on a daily basis,” said Diallo, the anti-racism
activist. “Despite that, they still face institutions, public discourse,
and media which still say that there is no racism and that the race debate
does not belong in France. And that’s the reason people are so angry and
so outraged.”
Government officials have so far not broached questions of racism in the
police. Leaders of opposition left-wing parties have focused their
criticisms on police violence rather than racism. Government spokesman
Olivier Veran told BFMTV that anger against the state itself, however, is
unjustified.
“It is not the republic that killed this young man,” Veran said. “It is
one man who must be judged if the justice system deems it necessary.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/europe/nanterre-france-police-shooting-
protests-intl-hnk/index.html
Peter Jason
Jun 30, 2023, 7:21:42 PM6/30/23
to
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 07:59:27 -0000 (UTC), Andrew Di Giovanna
<a...@oui.com> wrote:
>Paris
>CNN
> —
>More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave of
>protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
>shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.
"Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a
<a...@oui.com> wrote:
>Paris
>CNN
> —
>More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave of
>protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
>shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.
car-thieving gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
cities.
The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.
But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
bit stale.
France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
"whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!
Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.
Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.
France is stuffed.
Rod Speed
Jun 30, 2023, 9:26:35 PM6/30/23
to
Peter Jason <p...@jostle.com> wrote
> gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
> age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
> cities.
> The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
> the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.
They always had liberal immigration policies, anyone
from the frog colonys was always free to move to
france. All the colonys were legally part of france.
> But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
> streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
> to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
> bit stale.
And frogs have always been revolting.
> France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
> of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
> "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
> What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!
> Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
> always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.
> Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.
> France is stuffed.
You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.
> Andrew Di Giovanna <a...@oui.com> wrote
>> Paris
>> CNN
>> —
>> More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave
>> of
>> protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
>> shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.
> "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a
> car-thieving
Corse he was given he was shot in a stolen merc.
>> Paris
>> CNN
>> —
>> More than 400 people were arrested across France on Thursday as a wave
>> of
>> protests swept the country for a third night following the fatal police
>> shooting of a teenage boy that was captured on video.
> "Teenage boy"? How emotive! Of course too soon to tell if he was a
> car-thieving
> gang member, practiced in the craft, feral from a young
> age and living in some marginalizes colored area that surround French
> cities.
> The French are regretting their liberal immigration policies following
> the Algerian brawl of the 1950s.
from the frog colonys was always free to move to
france. All the colonys were legally part of france.
> But what the heck; anything for a demo and vandalism in the city
> streets to give the gainfully unemployed and randy students something
> to do! After all the one over the pension-age business is getting a
> bit stale.
> France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
> of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
> "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
> What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!
> Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
> always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.
> Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.
drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.
> France is stuffed.
You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.
Peter Jason
Jun 30, 2023, 9:44:42 PM6/30/23
to
>
>> France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
>> of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
>> "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
>> What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!
>
>> Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
>> always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.
>
>> Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.
>
>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
>drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.
I'm finding it harder to find empathy in any of your posts'
>> France is notorious for city riots, going way back to the Revolution
>> of 1789, when at that time Napoleon quelled one with the effective
>> "whiff of grapeshot". But now water-cannon will have to do.
>> What a pity some sterilizing agent can't be built into tear gas. Woe!
>
>> Racism is reality. And has a biological basis in that a group will
>> always protect and augment its members numerically and otherwise.
>
>> Probably the first stage of Darwinian speciation.
>
>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
>drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.
>
>> France is stuffed.
>
>You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.
sexual experimentation.
I have studied "The Book"......
https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm
....to alert me about your sort.
Rod Speed
Jul 1, 2023, 3:34:06 PM7/1/23
to
Rod Speed
Jul 1, 2023, 3:44:35 PM7/1/23
to
crazed drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker.
>>> France is stuffed.
>> You have always been stuffed and so is what you fuck.
> Your attitude will guarantee to drive anyone to drink, psychosis, and
> sexual experimentation.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.
drunken psychotic plastic doll fucker fantasys.
> I have studied "The Book"......
No such animal.
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