What Ever Happened To....?
Bently Turner
I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
1. Philip Michael Thomas (Miam Vice)
2. Emanuel Lewis (Webster)
3. Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
4. Charles Dutton (Roc)
5. Lisa Bonet (Cosby Show)
6. Jasmine Guy (Different World)
7. Kim & Keenan Ivory Wayans (Living Color)
8. Tommy Davidson (Living Color)
9. Ella Joyce (Roc)
10. Melba Moore
11. Irene Cara
Marietta E. Cameron
Bently Turner wrote:
>
> I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
> Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>
> 1. Philip Michael Thomas (Miam Vice)
> 4. Charles Dutton (Roc)
Last time I saw him, he was in the movie "A Time To Kill"
> 6. Jasmine Guy (Different World)
Jasmine is a frequent guest star on my favorite show, "Touch By Angel"
She plays a fallen angel and boy, does she play her
with spice!! Her next visit is scheduled for this Sunday,
2/16/97 -- CBS 7:00p.m.
--Marietta
ka...@ecn.com
In article <01bc18e6$3f31bc20$2e08cfa9@Pbturner>,
"Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>
> I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
> Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
Well, I don't keep up with this kinda stuff generally, but here's my
guess:
>
> 1. Philip Michael Thomas (Miam Vice)
Doing psychic network stuff.
> 2. Emanuel Lewis (Webster)
Just saw him on Family Ties, playing himself.
> 3. Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
He does one-shots here and there. Also appears semi-regularly on that WB
sitcom with the two younger Wayan brothers.
> 4. Charles Dutton (Roc)
Doing movies and tv movies, and plays.
> 5. Lisa Bonet (Cosby Show)
She really did drop out of sight, didn't she?
> 6. Jasmine Guy (Different World)
Still acting. Late of Melrose Place.
> 7. Kim & Keenan Ivory Wayans (Living Color)
Kim is on "In The House" with LL Cool J. Keenan? Not sure. Writing, I
believe and planning a movie. I'll ask my sister...she runs in that
circle.
> 8. Tommy Davidson (Living Color)
Not sure.
> 9. Ella Joyce (Roc)
Didn't she go back to Broadway? She was in that TLC video...
> 10. Melba Moore
Trying to get her career back in order after being ripped off by her ex.
I just saw her on a talk show and she says Bill Cosby is helping her.
Unfortunately, I was working and wasn't really paying attention to the
show or to what she was saying.
> 11. Irene Cara
She is still suing her recording company who ripped her off...last I
heard.
Kaiju <gee...I guess I've been paying more attention than I thought...>
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In <01bc18e6$3f31bc20$2e08cfa9@Pbturner> "Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> writes:
>I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
>Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>6. Jasmine Guy (Different World)
She's currently appearing as Rizzo in "Grease" on Broadway.
>7. Kim & Keenan Ivory Wayans (Living Color)
Kim appears on UPN on "In the House" with LL Cool J.
>10. Melba Moore
I just heard a NYC radio interview with her a couple of weeks ago. She's
still singing at clubs I guess.
Nat Turner
>Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>
>
>
>3. Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
>
>
>5. Lisa Bonet (Cosby Show)
>
>
>
>
>
>10. Melba Moore
>
>11. Irene Cara
I was in New York a few year ago when I caught the most sad story of
Melba Moore applying for Welfare. My reaction was "Oh, no, not Melba
Moore!" but it turned out to be true. She was months behind in her rent,
being threatened with eviction, and without a penny. I think some friends
came to the rescue and bailed her out. What's happened to her since is
anybody's guest, although why she's not landed a gig on one of the black
sit-coms is a mystery. She certainly had the talent, but I suppose there
must have been some drug abuse along the way to bring her to the desperate
state she ended up in. Problem is, too many of these entertainment people
think the gravy train is going to last forever.
Irene Cara was a case of just plain bad management as I understand it. Her
talent was minimal, but what she had was a certain look that was in vogue
at the time. She milked it for what it was worth then fell by the wayside.
And I really am afraid of finding out what she might be doing now to make
ends meet.
Likewise, Jasmine Guy took her mulatto thing as far as it could stretch.
Thing about mulattoes is they began to get on your nerves after while.
They become too distracting.
Lisa Bonet married badly when she hooked up with that Kravitz guy. The
chowderhead was just looking for a stepping stone and she fit the bill. He
really dogged the shit out her and was no doubt the one responsible for her
losing her Cosby gig. Pure selfish egotism on his part, brought her
career to a screeching halt. Last I heard she had taken the kids and
moved in with some yogi somewhere.
Nat Turner
Fresh Air Cab Co
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In article <01bc18e6$3f31bc20$2e08cfa9@Pbturner>,
Bently Turner <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
>Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>
>1. Philip Michael Thomas (Miam Vice)
Physic friends network.
...
>3. Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
Guest spots.
>4. Charles Dutton (Roc)
I guess we know that you didn't see "Get on the Bus", huh?
>5. Lisa Bonet (Cosby Show)
>
>6. Jasmine Guy (Different World)
She is in the play, "Grease" playing the female lead.
>7. Kim & Keenan Ivory Wayans (Living Color)
Kim is on LL Cool J's show.
>8. Tommy Davidson (Living Color)
He is doing movies.
...
>10. Melba Moore
She has a religious CD.
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Melba Moore has been active in Broadway stuff, her name
shows up in the events listed in The New Yorker frequently.
...paul
Aseity
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:01:08 -0600, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>> 3. Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
>
>He does one-shots here and there. Also appears semi-regularly on that WB
>sitcom with the two younger Wayan brothers.
Saw him on Psychic Friends' Network the other nite.
>> 11. Irene Cara
>
>She is still suing her recording company who ripped her off...last I
>heard.
I seem to recall her having some kind of substance abuse problem.
Whatever happened to Erica Gimpel (Irene's TV counterpart)?
And Anais Granofsky (from Degrassi Jr. High)? She must be out of NYU
by now.
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ita
>I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
>Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>1. Philip Michael Thomas (Miam Vice)
I heard a rumour he was filming a new movie this year.
>2. Emanuel Lewis (Webster)
He was at the latest Motown Cafe opening
>7. Kim & Keenan Ivory Wayans (Living Color)
I think there's a Wayan on LL Cool J's UPN sitcom.
>8. Tommy Davidson (Living Color)
Touring, doing stand-up, and filming Booty Call with Jamie Foxx.
>11. Irene Cara
Is she in Profiler? No -- I'm thinking of her TV counterpart.
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TTMitchell
ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>> 2. Emanuel Lewis (Webster)
>Just saw him on Family Ties, playing himself.
Family Ties? Wasn't that the show with Michael J. Fox that's been off
for years now?
--
Mitch
ka...@ecn.com
In article <3302732c...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
ase...@aol.com wrote:
>
> On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:01:08 -0600, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>
> >> 3. Gary Coleman (Different Strokes)
> >
> >He does one-shots here and there. Also appears semi-regularly on that WB
> >sitcom with the two younger Wayan brothers.
>
> Saw him on Psychic Friends' Network the other nite.
Well...at least he keeps trying to keep his face on the screen...
> >> 11. Irene Cara
> >
> >She is still suing her recording company who ripped her off...last I
> >heard.
>
> I seem to recall her having some kind of substance abuse problem.
I'm sorry to hear that. :(
> Whatever happened to Erica Gimpel (Irene's TV counterpart)?
I keep seeing her here and there. She has a few commercials, a few
one-shots. I bet she wishes she had remained on Fame a bit longer... But
then...while we're talking about whateverhappenedtos...whatEVER happened
to all those Fame kids?
> And Anais Granofsky (from Degrassi Jr. High)? She must be out of NYU
> by now.
On that one, I have no idea! ;>
Kaiju
ka...@ecn.com
In article <5du5m8$3...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
Picky, picky, picky. Family something-or-another.
Where's that TV Guide?
Oh, there it is.
Lessee...ubiquitous late afternoon overly-syndicated
sitcoms...hmmm....okay. Now I got it.
It's "Family Matters" That silly show with Urkel.
Kaiju <whatever...I still don't watch it unless forced...>
Nicole Anderson
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Aseity wrote:
>
> I seem to recall her having some kind of substance abuse problem.
> by now.
erica gimpel showed up on er about 2 or 3 weeks ago.
nic
J Lanier
>>> 11. Irene Cara
>>
>>She is still suing her recording company who ripped her off...last I
>>heard.
>I seem to recall her having some kind of substance abuse problem.
I recall something to that effect.
>Whatever happened to Erica Gimpel (Irene's TV counterpart)?
She has a part on NBC's "Profiler". She is Sam's roommate.
>And Anais Granofsky (from Degrassi Jr. High)? She must be out of NYU
>by now.
I thought I'd seen her around there. I saw her for a hot second in
"Deceived" (1991) in which Goldie Hawn plays a "...Manhattan art restorer
[who] uncovers secrets about her husband [played by John Heard] after his
death." Anyway, Granofsky appears in a party or reception scene at the
beginning (I think) of the movie.
Rohgue
Hey,
Can anyone tell me what happened to Lisa Bonet?
Rohgue
Kaiju
"Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
>Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>8. Tommy Davidson (Living Color)
I just now saw Tommy hosting "Later" on NBC. I guess he's in rotation or (more
to the point) auditioning to replace Greg Kinear.
Kaiju
TTMitchell
ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>> >> 2. Emanuel Lewis (Webster)
>>
>> >Just saw him on Family Ties, playing himself.
>>
>> Family Ties? Wasn't that the show with Michael J. Fox that's been off
>> for years now?
>Picky, picky, picky. Family something-or-another.
>Where's that TV Guide?
>Oh, there it is.
>Lessee...ubiquitous late afternoon overly-syndicated
>sitcoms...hmmm....okay. Now I got it.
>It's "Family Matters" That silly show with Urkel.
Well, I hate to admit that it's one of my guilty pleasures, but that
Jaleel White just makes me laugh! My fiancee hates when I watch it,
but I don't get to see it that often because I'm usually watching
Sliders instead. But didn't we recently see Gary Coleman on Married
With Children?
--
Mitch
Gabrielle Daniels
I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
Wilhelmenia Wiggins Fernandez. The opera singer (actually playing
Jessye Norman) in the Eighties movie, "Diva."
Yvonne Goolagong. Part-aborigine, part-Australian tennis player.
William Marshall. Aka Blackula and Dr. Daystrom in that Star Trek
episode in which a computer runs amok with the Enterprise. Has a voice
as spectacular as James Earl Jones'.
Nipsey Russell. Black comedian who came out at the same time as Bill
Cosby, Dick Gregory, Godfrey Cambridge, and Richard Pryor. Once played
on "Car 54, Where Are You?"
Ron O'Neal. Superfly himself. Did excellent work in black theatres on
the East Coast before his Hollywood work.
Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
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ka...@ecn.com
In article <5e50hj$m...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
<snip>
> >It's "Family Matters" That silly show with Urkel.
>
> Well, I hate to admit that it's one of my guilty pleasures, but that
> Jaleel White just makes me laugh!
His sitcom character is entertaining, in a Three Stooges Kinda Way.
Actually, in person, he's a very gracious, intelligent, funny guy. I'm
happy for his success, which he earned through sheer talent.
> My fiancee hates when I watch it,
Like I said...it's that Three Stooges element. Doncha know, most femmes
have a hard time with that kinda entertainment? (I'm just teasin'.)
> but I don't get to see it that often because I'm usually watching
> Sliders instead. But didn't we recently see Gary Coleman on Married
> With Children?
Yes. I think he's been on there a couple of times, actually. (In
contrast to Jaleel, Gary as a child was one obnoxious little creature. I
don't know what he's like now. Maybe (hopefully) he outgrew it.)
Kaiju
ka...@ecn.com
In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970215...@taurus.oac.uci.edu>,
Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
Okay. I'm on a roll...I'll give it another try!
> Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
Nuff said. He was doing better before he unretired, and before his
ex-wife spilled the beans about the drug use and spousal abuse. That
pretty much killed his endorsements career. Probably killed a
substantial amount of her alimony as well. The irony of it...
> Wilhelmenia Wiggins Fernandez. The opera singer (actually playing
> Jessye Norman) in the Eighties movie, "Diva."
Hmmm.... Was there *anything* after "Diva"?
> Yvonne Goolagong. Part-aborigine, part-Australian tennis player.
Hmmm.... Living well in Australia? (Okay, so I don't have a clue...)
> William Marshall. Aka Blackula and Dr. Daystrom in that Star Trek
> episode in which a computer runs amok with the Enterprise. Has a voice
> as spectacular as James Earl Jones'.
>
> Nipsey Russell. Black comedian who came out at the same time as Bill
> Cosby, Dick Gregory, Godfrey Cambridge, and Richard Pryor. Once played
> on "Car 54, Where Are You?"
Ach...
> Ron O'Neal. Superfly himself. Did excellent work in black theatres on
> the East Coast before his Hollywood work.
He was in the O.G. movie a year or so ago. Played the father of Jasmine
Guy's character on "A Different World" (is that the right title, Mitch?),
and has occasional one-shots here and there. Still looks good although
he's a bit sparse on the top of his head...
> Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
Still directing, perhaps? I know both of them were doing that in the
80's and 90's.
Kaiju <it helps being from an Industry Town...>
ka...@ecn.com
In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970215...@taurus.oac.uci.edu>,
Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
How's this for serendipity?
> Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
I just nabbed this from the LA Times Online, 2/15/97:
[...] Add Benitez: A champion in the junior-welterweight,
welterweight and super-welterweight divisions, he was
one of eight fighters elected to the Boxing Hall of Fame
in his first year of eligibility.
The others were Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks,
Aaron Pryor, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello, Carlos
Zarate and, in the just completed election, Sugar Ray
Leonard.
Leonard, of course, isn't through working on his
legend. He returns to the ring March 1 in Atlantic City,
N.J., at 40, to take on Hector Camacho. [...]
Darn if he hasn't unretired...again...
Kaiju <whatever happened to the others on that list? Benitez is brain
damaged, Spinks is a janitor, Hagler does TV bits, what about the others?>
Wayne Johnson
Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
>I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
>
>Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
I haven't even seen him do color commentary.
>Wilhelmenia Wiggins Fernandez. The opera singer (actually playing
>Jessye Norman) in the Eighties movie, "Diva."
This really bugs me. I recently bought an opera compilation that
included the "Wally" aria from Diva, sung by her; it is still
stunning, probably always will be. (I still can't find the duet, "der
Liebe Nachte, which was that amazingly ethereal duet used in the BOAC
commercial, several movies, and other stuff; don't know the composer,
either, somebody give me a hand.)
>Yvonne Goolagong. Part-aborigine, part-Australian tennis player.
I think she retired.
>William Marshall. Aka Blackula and Dr. Daystrom in that Star Trek
>episode in which a computer runs amok with the Enterprise. Has a voice
>as spectacular as James Earl Jones'.
?
>Nipsey Russell. Black comedian who came out at the same time as Bill
>Cosby, Dick Gregory, Godfrey Cambridge, and Richard Pryor. Once played
>on "Car 54, Where Are You?"
Last I saw of him was that Eddie Murphy vehicle, Harlem Nights, but
that had everybody in it - even Ji Tu Cumbuku.
>Ron O'Neal. Superfly himself. Did excellent work in black theatres on
>the East Coast before his Hollywood work.
He's doing a ton of movies on the B circuit, usually playing a
government operative (quite authoritatively).
>Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
Don't know about Robert; Kevin recently directed Passenger 57, the
Wesley Snipes movie, and does lots of other directing work.
Wayne "Damn good direction, I thought" Johnson
cia...@ix.netcom.com
"Never trust a bald barber." -Kenneth Crudup
TTMitchell
Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
>Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
He's fighting Hector "Macho" Camacho soon.
>Nipsey Russell. Black comedian who came out at the same time as Bill
>Cosby, Dick Gregory, Godfrey Cambridge, and Richard Pryor. Once played
>on "Car 54, Where Are You?"
Just saw him in a brief appearance on Talk Soup, and some months ago
in a brief appearance on the Conan O'Brien show.
>Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
I thought Kevin was running for some political office somewhere, but I
don't know if he won or not.
--
Mitch
Leila
On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Gabrielle Daniels wrote:
> Ron O'Neal. Superfly himself. Did excellent work in black theatres on
> the East Coast before his Hollywood work.
I don't know where he is today, but if you have the new BET/Starz
channel, they are playing "Superfly" all this week, along with some other
films...
> Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
Kevin Hooks recently directed an episode of _Homicide_ on
NBC...which my boyfriend did *not* get a part in! (fume)
-- Leila
barc...@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu
Gabrielle Daniels
On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, TTMitchell wrote back to me:
> >I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
>
> >Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
>
> He's fighting Hector "Macho" Camacho soon.
Lord. Can't he get a clue from Muhammad Ali?
BTW, y'all go see "When we were kings," about the Rumble in the Jungle.
It's been nominated for the Best Documentary Oscar.
This was the fight everyone said made Ali what he is
today...unfortunately.
> >Nipsey Russell. Black comedian who came out at the same time as Bill
> >Cosby, Dick Gregory, Godfrey Cambridge, and Richard Pryor. Once played
> >on "Car 54, Where Are You?"
>
> Just saw him in a brief appearance on Talk Soup, and some months ago
> in a brief appearance on the Conan O'Brien show.
Really!
> >Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
>
> I thought Kevin was running for some political office somewhere, but I
> don't know if he won or not.
Check Wayne's piece; I think he's more on the mark.
Here's yet other missing-in-action folks:
Lloyd Haynes, from "Room 222." And all those other brothers and sisters
who were 'teenagers' at that L.A. high school before it was commandeered
by Denise Nicholas and Karen Valentine.
The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
the life of me remember her name.
Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, from "Welcome Back, Kotter."
Barbara McNair, singer-actress. Derelict brother was found murdered at
Stanford University a few years back. Used to guest on "I Spy" a lot.
J Lanier
In <Pine.GSO.3.95.97021...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> writes:
>Here's yet other missing-in-action folks:
Chile! Where *are* you digging up these folks from?! :)
>Lloyd Haynes, from "Room 222." And all those other brothers and sisters
>who were 'teenagers' at that L.A. high school before it was commandeered
>by Denise Nicholas and Karen Valentine.
>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>the life of me remember her name.
>Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, from "Welcome Back, Kotter."
He (and several of the other Sweathogs) recently appeared on some sitcom
about a teacher, as guardian angels to one of the teacher's students who
was cutting class. The man is looking pretty good too!
Didn't he also play the father in that T.V. movie about a year or two ago
on the Jacksons?
>Barbara McNair, singer-actress. Derelict brother was found murdered at
>Stanford University a few years back. Used to guest on "I Spy" a lot.
Don't know anything about these other folk though!
AntiTroll
Dig'em on the Sugar Smacks box?
Wayne Johnson
jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>
>In <Pine.GSO.3.95.97021...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> writes:
>
>
>>Here's yet other missing-in-action folks:
>
>Chile! Where *are* you digging up these folks from?! :)
>
>>Lloyd Haynes, from "Room 222." And all those other brothers and sisters
>>who were 'teenagers' at that L.A. high school before it was commandeered
>>by Denise Nicholas and Karen Valentine.
Wasn't he the Black man in the RoboCop movies...the corporate
executive that was so slavish, unfortunately named Johnson?
>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>>the life of me remember her name.
She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
First name started with a D, I think...
Wayne "this is awful...they had a poster of her right by the
attendance office for years..." Johnson
ka...@ecn.com
In article <3307d56...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
cia...@popd.ix.netcom.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
>
> jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>
> >
> >In <Pine.GSO.3.95.97021...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> Gabrielle
Daniels <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> writes:
> >
> >
> >>Here's yet other missing-in-action folks:
> >
> >Chile! Where *are* you digging up these folks from?! :)
<snip>
> >>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
> >>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
> >>the life of me remember her name.
>
> She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
> School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
> to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
> First name started with a D, I think...
Oh, yeah! She's the one who at the height of her career, right in the
middle of her series' successful run, decided that she was a Born Again
Christian and Hollywood was the spawn of Satan. All of it. (She might
have a point...but sheeesh...wasn't her faith strong enough to withstand
all the little devils?) Anyway. She's never been heard of since.
Accordingly, I, too, have forgotten her name.
Kaiju <Hollywood Reporter>
J Lanier
In <3307d56...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> cia...@popd.ix.netcom.com (Wayne Johnson) writes:
>jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>>>the life of me remember her name.
>She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
>School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
>to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
>First name started with a D, I think...
I was thinking her name was Theresa Graves for some reason. Maybe I'm
thinking of someone else though.
Richard Kenyada
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 02:21:03 -0600, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>In article <3307d56...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> cia...@popd.ix.netcom.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
>>
>> jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >In <Pine.GSO.3.95.97021...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> Gabrielle
>Daniels <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Here's yet other missing-in-action folks:
>> >
>> >Chile! Where *are* you digging up these folks from?! :)
>
><snip>
>
>> >>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>> >>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>> >>the life of me remember her name.
>>
>> She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
>> School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
>> to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
>> First name started with a D, I think...
>
>Oh, yeah! She's the one who at the height of her career, right in the
>middle of her series' successful run, decided that she was a Born Again
>Christian and Hollywood was the spawn of Satan. All of it. (She might
>have a point...but sheeesh...wasn't her faith strong enough to withstand
>all the little devils?) Anyway. She's never been heard of since.
>Accordingly, I, too, have forgotten her name.
>
>
>Kaiju <Hollywood Reporter>
BTW, there were *two* sisters on Laugh-In. The first one went on to
star in Get Christy Love, but opted on getting Christ. The second
sister replaced the first. She was a black version of Goldie, right
down to the short, pixie hairdo. Her name was Chelsea Brown.
After Laugh-In ended, she guest-starred in a few shows, but her career
was short-lived.
Kenyada
Richard Kenyada
On 17 Feb 1997 09:57:01 -0500, jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>In <3307d56...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> cia...@popd.ix.netcom.com (Wayne Johnson) writes:
>
>>jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>
>
>>>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>>>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>>>>the life of me remember her name.
>
>>She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
>>School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
>>to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
>>First name started with a D, I think...
>
>I was thinking her name was Theresa Graves for some reason. Maybe I'm
>thinking of someone else though.
That's It!! You're Right...and the second sister was Chelsea Brown.
Mystery solved.
Kenyada
Wayne Johnson
What happened to Lola Falana?
Wayne "talk about a traffic stopper" Johnson
cia...@ix.netcom.com
"Never trust a bald barber." -Kenneth Crudup
To send e-mail, remove nojunkmail from my address...
the junk mail situation is getting absolutely ridiculous...
Richard Kenyada
>What happened to Lola Falana?
>
>Wayne "talk about a traffic stopper" Johnson
>cia...@ix.netcom.com
>
Lola was stricken with Multiple Sclerosis. Several years ago it went
into remission, but over the past year or so, her condition has
worsened. I believe she is living outside of Las Vegas, but I'm not
sure. You're right, she is a knockout ....and a fighter. I wish
there were someway for her fans to send well wishes.
Kenyada
Tajh L. Taylor
Bently Turner wrote:
>
> I was thinking about celebrities who I have not seen/heard for a while.
> Does anyone know what the following people are doing?
>
Last I saw of him, he'd turned to psychic hotlines:
"From 'Miami Vice' to world advice"
> 7. Kim Wayans
Marooned on UPN.
-Tajh
---------------------------------
From The Desk Of Tajh Taylor
ta...@cs.berkeley.edu
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tajh/
---------------------------------
Richard Kenyada
>On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Gabrielle Daniels wrote:
>> Robert Hooks and his son, Kevin. Kevin played in "Sounder," remember?
>
> Kevin Hooks recently directed an episode of _Homicide_ on
>NBC...which my boyfriend did *not* get a part in! (fume)
>
> -- Leila
Speaking of Kevin Hooks' directing .... The old Mary Tyler Moore
production studio, which created such tv drama as
The White Shadow, Hill St. Blues and St. Elsewhere, gave a few young
Black actors (Kevin Hooks included) their first break in directing.
Thomas Carter, who played "Haywood" on The White Shadow, was the first
one to become a major tv director, working on such shows as Hill
Street Blues and St Elsewhere in the 80's. He now also directs and
produces motion pictures.
Eric Lanueville (sp?) who played the hospital orderly in St Elsewhere
has become a major TV director, too. You'll see his name on the
credits of Chicago Hope, E.R. and others.
I'm proud of the brothers because they recognized the limited
opportunities in front of the camera, and decided to study their craft
and become the best in the business at their chosen profession.
Of course, the payoff is that the dramatic images we see on the tv
screen are now more reflective of our own experiences.
Kenyada
Richard Kenyada
>Lloyd Haynes, from "Room 222." And all those other brothers and sisters
>who were 'teenagers' at that L.A. high school before it was commandeered
>by Denise Nicholas and Karen Valentine.
>
Lloyd Haynes, also an accomplished pilot, committed suicide about 8
years ago. One of the other "kids", the black young woman with the
short Fro, has done commercials, as has the tall white dude with the
red, bushy hairdo. Of course, they're both playing parents now. :-)
Kenyada
Nat Turner
In article <3308b66e...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Wayne Johnson <cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>What happened to Lola Falana?
>
>Wayne "talk about a traffic stopper" Johnson
>cia...@ix.netcom.com
>
>To send e-mail, remove nojunkmail from my address...
>the junk mail situation is getting absolutely ridiculous...
Who cares? I caught that ignorant woman on a talk show with the late,
great Dizzy Gillespie, and from nowhere, out of the blue, she began teeing
off on the master with her ignorant "you-can't-tell-me-shit-nigger"
routine. This was many years ago, I was a kid then, but I never will
forget it. I was so angry at how she was talking down to Diz I flipped off
the tv. Also, I think I remember her marrying one of those pretty boys
from Debarge (?) and being unceremoniously dumped then humiliated after
the much younger dude took his story of what a bum lay she was to the
tabloids. Then she got sick, I think, and wound-up in some out of the way
hospital grinning like a corpse in one of the tabloids with the caption
under the photo reading, "Lola says, 'I'm down, but not out, and I'll be
back on top again!'" Yeah, right, her and Frank Sinatra...
The last of the red-hot mamas, I guess, and like Mae West and all the rest
of them her time has come and gone...Thank heavens....
Nat Turner
Fresh Air Cab Co
--
ka...@ecn.com
In article <330ac33a...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 18:01:28 -0800, Gabrielle Daniels
> <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
<snip>
> Lloyd Haynes, also an accomplished pilot, committed suicide about 8
> years ago. One of the other "kids", the black young woman with the
> short Fro, has done commercials, as has the tall white dude with the
> red, bushy hairdo. Of course, they're both playing parents now. :-)
One of the Room 222 kids played the mother of Wil Smith on "Fresh
Prince", among many other parts. She has been a working actor all along.
(Sorry...can't remember her name at the moment...)
Kaiju
Rohgue
>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>the life of me remember her name.
>
Wasn't her name Tamara Dobson?
Rohgue
Richard Kenyada
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:31:10 -0600, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>In article <330ac33a...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
> ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 18:01:28 -0800, Gabrielle Daniels
>> <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Lloyd Haynes, also an accomplished pilot, committed suicide about 8
>> years ago. One of the other "kids", the black young woman with the
>> short Fro, has done commercials, as has the tall white dude with the
>> red, bushy hairdo. Of course, they're both playing parents now. :-)
>
>One of the Room 222 kids played the mother of Wil Smith on "Fresh
>Prince", among many other parts. She has been a working actor all along.
> (Sorry...can't remember her name at the moment...)
>
>
>Kaiju
>
I know the actress you're talking about, but I'm not sure she played
in Room 222. However, she was featured in Welcome Back Kotter.
Her name is something like Verne'. I think she would have been too
young at the time of 222 to have played a high school kid.
(I could be wrong :)
Kenyada
Bently Turner
Here are some more Missing In Action people:
1. Rodney Allen Ripey? (Starred in commercials in the 1970's and on a
Saturday cartoon)
2. Meadowlark Lemon? (Harlem Globetrotters)
3. Mark Copeage (Corey Baker from "Julia")?
4. Antonio "Huggy Bear" Fargas? (The cool dude from Starsky & Hutch)
5. The Black Superhero on the show "Mantis" (a crippled guy by day, hero by
night)
6. The tenement superintendant "Booga" Bookman from the series "Good Times"
7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
8. JJ's brother Michael (Did you ever notice his "Eddie Wolfgang" Haircut?)
9. JJ's FINE sister .... THELMA (I had a serious crush on her back in the
'70s)
10. The dude who played "Vincent" the beast from the series "Beauty and
The Beast"
Wayne Johnson
"Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>Here are some more Missing In Action people:
>
>1. Rodney Allen Ripey? (Starred in commercials in the 1970's and on a
>Saturday cartoon)
I saw him on a commercial last year...
>2. Meadowlark Lemon? (Harlem Globetrotters)
He's an evangelist now, with his own show on TBN.
>3. Mark Copeage (Corey Baker from "Julia")?
Totally disappeared...
>4. Antonio "Huggy Bear" Fargas? (The cool dude from Starsky & Hutch)
Been doing all KINDS of bit parts, including some that totally wipe
out the wimpish image of Huggy Bear...
>5. The Black Superhero on the show "Mantis" (a crippled guy by day, hero by
>night)
Carl Lumbly. Brilliant actor, good looking as all get out...I expect
to see him around.
>6. The tenement superintendant "Booga" Bookman from the series "Good Times"
???
>7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
More bit part playing...
>8. JJ's brother Michael (Did you ever notice his "Eddie Wolfgang" Haircut?)
Disappeared...heard he had some "personal life" problems, but I could
be very wrong...
>9. JJ's FINE sister .... THELMA (I had a serious crush on her back in the
>'70s)
???
>10. The dude who played "Vincent" the beast from the series "Beauty and
>The Beast"
Ron Perlman. Usually plays a bad guy in parts now; haven't seen him
for a while. He's not Black, either.
Wayne "I don't think" Johnson
ka...@ecn.com
In article <01bc1d55$3a65b160$9005cfa9@Pbturner>,
> 3. Mark Copeage (Corey Baker from "Julia")?
The last I heard he had graduated from college and was attempting an adult
career. I don't think it went far.
> 4. Antonio "Huggy Bear" Fargas? (The cool dude from Starsky & Hutch)
I see him in movies now and again. But nothing in the past 2 years.
> 7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
He's back doing stand-up.
> 9. JJ's FINE sister .... THELMA (I had a serious crush on her back in the
> '70s)
She's doing those Black Quasi-Gospel Musical tours. Y'know the
kind...with the overdrawn Black characters like the minister, the
homosexual, the loud women, etc. She played here in L.A. for a while
last year, and the guy with the glasses from "What's Happening" was in
the cast as well. I imagine it's still touring.
ka...@ecn.com
In article <33090ac7...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
Oh, yeah. Verne' Watson. Was it Welcome Back Kotter? I'm so confused.
;> By the time Room 222 was filmed, she could have been jr. high school
age, or high school freshman age. But now I just can't remember which
show it was!
ka...@ecn.com
In article <3308fdf8...@news.myriad.net>,
Tamara Dobson was Cleopatra Jones or one of the SuperWomen of the
Blaxploitation flix.
Kaiju <who just wanted to be that tall...<sigh>>
Michael R. Hicks
> In article <330ac33a...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
> ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 18:01:28 -0800, Gabrielle Daniels
> > <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Lloyd Haynes, also an accomplished pilot, committed suicide about 8
> > years ago. One of the other "kids", the black young woman with the
> > short Fro, has done commercials, as has the tall white dude with the
> > red, bushy hairdo. Of course, they're both playing parents now. :-)
>
> One of the Room 222 kids played the mother of Wil Smith on "Fresh
> Prince", among many other parts. She has been a working actor all along.
> (Sorry...can't remember her name at the moment...)
You talkin' about Verneé Brown, used to play on "Carter Country"?
(remember that? W/Victor French, and Kene Holliday)
--
Michael R. Hicks - Louisville, KY
a "new jack scholar"
Great minds talk about ideas,
Average minds talk about events,
Small minds talk about people...
Of which mind are you?
Nat Turner
In article <3308fdf8...@news.myriad.net>,
Rohgue <cfol...@mail.myriad.net> wrote:
>
>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>>the life of me remember her name.
>>
>Wasn't her name Tamara Dobson?
>
>Rohgue
>
>
No, you're thinking of the 6'2" black actress who starred in "Cleopatra
Jones."
Nat
--
Nat Turner
In article <33090ac7...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
Richard Kenyada <ken...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:31:10 -0600, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>
>>In article <330ac33a...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
>> ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 18:01:28 -0800, Gabrielle Daniels
>>> <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Lloyd Haynes, also an accomplished pilot, committed suicide about 8
>>> years ago. One of the other "kids", the black young woman with the
>>> short Fro, has done commercials, as has the tall white dude with the
>>> red, bushy hairdo. Of course, they're both playing parents now. :-)
>>
>>One of the Room 222 kids played the mother of Wil Smith on "Fresh
>>Prince", among many other parts. She has been a working actor all along.
>> (Sorry...can't remember her name at the moment...)
This lady was one of the better black comedic actresses around. Mind you,
she played it straight which is generally regarded as more difficult than
zany (Both Abbot and Martin got 60% to Costello and Lewis' 40%). My
understanding is she made the awful mistake of getting pregnant prompting
Wil Smith to demand she be fired. They fired her, she brought suit, and
now her career is ruined because of it. She was a far better actress than
the woman who replaced her.
>>
>>
>>Kaiju
>>
>I know the actress you're talking about, but I'm not sure she played
>in Room 222. However, she was featured in Welcome Back Kotter.
>Her name is something like Verne'. I think she would have been too
>young at the time of 222 to have played a high school kid.
>(I could be wrong :)
>
>Kenyada
--
Richard Kenyada
>"Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>
>>Here are some more Missing In Action people:
<snipped>
>>6. The tenement superintendant "Booga" Bookman from the series "Good Times"
His name is Johnny Brown. He was a stand up comic/impressionist
before Good Times and I suspect he's probably in Las Vegas doing a
lounge act now.
>>7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
I see him often on late night TV as the host of some comedy club
shows.Last year his co-star from Good Times did a one-man show in
Atlanta, and on a radio interview, when asked about JJ, John Amos
really dissed him terribly. Apparently there was much fiction before
James Evans was killed off.
>>9. JJ's FINE sister .... THELMA (I had a serious crush on her back in the
>>'70s)
BernaDette Stanis (star of many of my adolescent dreams back then,
popped up in Atlanta last year doing a play. She did a tv interview
to promote the play and , yes, The Body is still well defined. (Of
course, I only looked at it from a purely analytical prospective:)
Kenyada
Michael R. Hicks
In article <33094082...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
> "Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
[...]
> >8. JJ's brother Michael (Did you ever notice his "Eddie Wolfgang" Haircut?)
>
> Disappeared...heard he had some "personal life" problems, but I could
> be very wrong...
Michael Evans is teaching college and speaking (african-centered
topics)... I think it's somewhere southeast...
Michael R. Hicks
In article <8562550...@dejanews.com>, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
> In article <01bc1d55$3a65b160$9005cfa9@Pbturner>,
> "Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
[...]
>
> > 4. Antonio "Huggy Bear" Fargas? (The cool dude from Starsky & Hutch)
>
> I see him in movies now and again. But nothing in the past 2 years.
He was in Tony, Toni, Toné's "Let's Get Down" video...
plies...@bix.com
In article <8560818...@dejanews.com>,
ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970215...@taurus.oac.uci.edu>,
> Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> > Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
>
> I just nabbed this from the LA Times Online, 2/15/97:
>
True, he couldn't stand not being as popular as he once was - the
ex-cmapion's curse. Now he's fighting Camacho, and no one knows what it's
supposed to achieve other than possibly tarnishing his reputation. If he
wins (which is unlikely), it's "Has-been beats has-been" - no big news.
If he loses, it's "damn, he's * old*"... It's a no-win thing, for it will
surely not regain him a prominent position in boxing or public life...
> The others were Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks,
> Aaron Pryor, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello, Carlos
> Zarate and, in the just completed election, Sugar Ray
> Leonard.
> Kaiju <whatever happened to the others on that list? Benitez is brain
> damaged, Spinks is a janitor, Hagler does TV bits, what about the others?>
Hagler has done quite a few B-type action movies, I hear, and lives in
Italy these days, where he's held in high esteem and respect. He still
loks like he could challenge for the title, in fact he looks younger than
in his last couple of years as a boxer. And seems to have been smart with
his $, thanks heavens. Marvelous Marvin remains one of my favorite
fighters, ever. I remember how damn hard I was rooting for him when he
fought Leonard. And to this day I think he was robbed. Leonard was only
show-boating, didn't hurt him at any stage, and in my opinion didn't do
enough to take away the belt from a legendary fighter.
Michael Spinks seems to be doing well financially, but still is rumoured
every once in a while to be back in the gym for a comeback fight in order
to "redeem himself" for the Tyson fight (he cost me a case of beer, I was
sure that he'd outbox Tyson back then, and then he goes down in 90 secs,
causing my friends to ridicule my prediction for ages...). He sure
doesn't seem to be helping his brother Leon too much, who's on welfare
after having been homeless for a while...
Pryor wrote a book ("Flight of the Hawk" or something like that) that
sold quite well last year. He had a short and ill-advised comeback a few
years back, where he had everyone thinking he was an accident waiting to
happen, after his eye surgery, drug problems and all...
Wilfredo Gomez - I hear contradicting reports, maybe because some
journalists confuse him with Wilfred Benitez, who's in pretty sad shape.
I heard Wilfredo had some legal problems (the near-usual drug possession
stuff) but didn't go to jail in the end.
Alexis Arguello - as it seemed everybody was coming back and making some
money, Alexis decided to come back, too. I wathec his fight, and he was
as slow as a comatose sloth. He was outpointed by a club-fighter. Now he
tries to dicover and develop talent in Nicaragua, and I hear the
Nocaraguan government has found some sort of position for him. You must
remember he lost practically all of his ring- earnings due to the
Sandinista revolution. I don't know who on earth talked him into
investing into Niocaraguan assets while a civil war was going on
strong...
Carlos Zarate seems to be doing well, made some low key investments (in
vacation resorts and similar) that allow him to live comfortably.
Wilfred Benitez is a sad case. One of the finest boxers I've ever seen,
and a defensive master who hardly got hit hard, and still now he
vegetates with advanced brain traumas and with not a penny left to his
name. His mother is caring for him. Stuff like this, or the Gerald
McClellan story, or "Gypsy" Harris, or Sam Langford - sometimes make me
abhor pro boxing - it's unbelievable that with all the money the sport
moves promoters or boxing organizations can't invest in a somewhat
reliable pension fund for ex-boxers. These guys should go on strike for a
year or two.
...paul
J Lanier
>In article <33094082...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
>> "Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>[...]
>> >8. JJ's brother Michael (Did you ever notice his "Eddie Wolfgang" Haircut?)
>>
>> Disappeared...heard he had some "personal life" problems, but I could
>> be very wrong...
>Michael Evans is teaching college and speaking (african-centered
>topics)... I think it's somewhere southeast...
Really? I thought I'd heard he was a teacher of some sort. I know he was
living in Brooklyn for a while and seems like I remember that he did
poetry readings or something.
J Lanier
In <8562552...@dejanews.com> ka...@ecn.com writes:
>> >
>> I know the actress you're talking about, but I'm not sure she played
>> in Room 222. However, she was featured in Welcome Back Kotter.
>> Her name is something like Verne'. I think she would have been too
>> young at the time of 222 to have played a high school kid.
>> (I could be wrong :)
>>
>> Kenyada
>Oh, yeah. Verne' Watson. Was it Welcome Back Kotter? I'm so confused.
>;> By the time Room 222 was filmed, she could have been jr. high school
>age, or high school freshman age. But now I just can't remember which
>show it was!
I definitely remember her on Room 222 and the way she used to say "Mr.
Kinkaid." Actually I thought she was a little old to be playing a
highschool student by the time "Welcome Back Kotter" came along, but all
of them were pretty old looking high school students anyway.
ka...@ecn.com
In article <8562981...@dejanews.com>,
plies...@bix.com wrote:
>
> In article <8560818...@dejanews.com>,
> ka...@ecn.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970215...@taurus.oac.uci.edu>,
> > Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> > > Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
Thanks, Paul! I was hoping you would jump in here!
> True, he couldn't stand not being as popular as he once was - the
> ex-cmapion's curse. Now he's fighting Camacho, and no one knows what it's
> supposed to achieve other than possibly tarnishing his reputation. If he
> wins (which is unlikely), it's "Has-been beats has-been" - no big news.
> If he loses, it's "damn, he's * old*"... It's a no-win thing, for it will
> surely not regain him a prominent position in boxing or public life...
It's a problem. What does a young, vital person, who has spent his or
her life as an elite athlete do after the career is over? Leonard has
little training to do anything other than be a boxer. Plus he does enjoy
the attention...the attention he doesn't seem to understand he can't have
any longer. What is left is just there to lose. Or maintain with
dignity. There are a lot of other athletes in the same spot. What to do
with the next 40-50 years? (I'm glad I chose karate and figure skating
as my sports...I can do these until I drop... literally. Plus I don't
need a partner or opponent or team for either.)
> > The others were Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks,
> > Aaron Pryor, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello, Carlos
> > Zarate and, in the just completed election, Sugar Ray
> > Leonard.
>
> > Kaiju <whatever happened to the others on that list? Benitez is brain
> > damaged, Spinks is a janitor, Hagler does TV bits, what about the others?>
>
> Hagler has done quite a few B-type action movies, I hear, and lives in
> Italy these days, where he's held in high esteem and respect. He still
> loks like he could challenge for the title, in fact he looks younger than
> in his last couple of years as a boxer. And seems to have been smart with
> his $, thanks heavens. Marvelous Marvin remains one of my favorite
> fighters, ever. I remember how damn hard I was rooting for him when he
> fought Leonard. And to this day I think he was robbed. Leonard was only
> show-boating, didn't hurt him at any stage, and in my opinion didn't do
> enough to take away the belt from a legendary fighter.
I've always admired Hagler as a boxer and as a man. I have to admit,
though, I pulled for Leonard in their match. Oh, well... I went for
flash and no substance?
> Michael Spinks seems to be doing well financially, but still is rumoured
> every once in a while to be back in the gym for a comeback fight in order
> to "redeem himself" for the Tyson fight (he cost me a case of beer, I was
> sure that he'd outbox Tyson back then, and then he goes down in 90 secs,
> causing my friends to ridicule my prediction for ages...). He sure
> doesn't seem to be helping his brother Leon too much, who's on welfare
> after having been homeless for a while...
Sorry...I mixed up Michael and Leon in my first post. I DO know the
diff. ;> Michael always appeared to be the more intelligent of the two.
(Sorry 'bout that case of beer!)
> Pryor wrote a book ("Flight of the Hawk" or something like that) that
> sold quite well last year. He had a short and ill-advised comeback a few
> years back, where he had everyone thinking he was an accident waiting to
> happen, after his eye surgery, drug problems and all...
>
> Wilfredo Gomez - I hear contradicting reports, maybe because some
> journalists confuse him with Wilfred Benitez, who's in pretty sad shape.
> I heard Wilfredo had some legal problems (the near-usual drug possession
> stuff) but didn't go to jail in the end.
Sheeesh... Yet another one!
> Alexis Arguello - as it seemed everybody was coming back and making some
> money, Alexis decided to come back, too. I wathec his fight, and he was
> as slow as a comatose sloth.
!!! (Gotta remember that one...)
> He was outpointed by a club-fighter. Now he
> tries to dicover and develop talent in Nicaragua, and I hear the
> Nocaraguan government has found some sort of position for him. You must
> remember he lost practically all of his ring- earnings due to the
> Sandinista revolution. I don't know who on earth talked him into
> investing into Niocaraguan assets while a civil war was going on
> strong...
And another one...
> Carlos Zarate seems to be doing well, made some low key investments (in
> vacation resorts and similar) that allow him to live comfortably.
Good for him!
> Wilfred Benitez is a sad case. One of the finest boxers I've ever seen,
> and a defensive master who hardly got hit hard, and still now he
> vegetates with advanced brain traumas and with not a penny left to his
> name. His mother is caring for him. Stuff like this, or the Gerald
> McClellan story, or "Gypsy" Harris, or Sam Langford - sometimes make me
> abhor pro boxing - it's unbelievable that with all the money the sport
> moves promoters or boxing organizations can't invest in a somewhat
> reliable pension fund for ex-boxers. These guys should go on strike for a
> year or two.
Evidently a benefit is being held for Benitez. The Times story spoke of
his plight and the family's desperate state. I used to follow boxing
much more closely, but stories like this really started getting to me. I
once attended a party at The Champ's (Ali's) home when he lived in L.A.,
and I talked with him at length. His illness hadn't taken hold then, but
observing his behavior, I wondered if I was witnessing the onset of brain
damage. It hurt me so much, I couldn't really get into boxing any
longer. (Turns out my suspicions were right. <sigh>)
A retirement fund would seem to be the very least that should be done for
professional boxers. Enough money is made off of their sacrifices!
Needless to say, I despise Don King and most of the other promoters. I
KNOW some boxing promoters. I still don't like them. They rank
somewhere below attorneys and drug dealers in my estimation.
Kaiju <and that IS an extreme judgement...>
J Lanier
In <3309636...@news.atl.mindspring.com> ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) writes:
>On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 05:43:22 GMT, cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com
>(Wayne Johnson) wrote:
>>"Bently Turner" <btu...@execpc.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Here are some more Missing In Action people:
><snipped>
>>>6. The tenement superintendant "Booga" Bookman from the series "Good Times"
>His name is Johnny Brown. He was a stand up comic/impressionist
>before Good Times and I suspect he's probably in Las Vegas doing a
>lounge act now.
I saw him recently on an episode of the Jamie Foxx Show (The WB). I think
he played Foxx's uncle, who was there with his wife, to attend an award
dinner for their son. It was some exclusive club, but the son was afraid
his parents would embarass him since they were rathery, flashy shall we
say? :)
[deletions re: JJ]
>>>9. JJ's FINE sister .... THELMA (I had a serious crush on her back in the
>>>'70s)
>BernaDette Stanis (star of many of my adolescent dreams back then,
>popped up in Atlanta last year doing a play. She did a tv interview
>to promote the play and , yes, The Body is still well defined. (Of
>course, I only looked at it from a purely analytical prospective:)
Sure you were Kenyada!
J Lanier
In <5ec64r$j40$1...@news.smart.net> tur...@smarty.smart.net (Nat Turner) writes:
>>>One of the Room 222 kids played the mother of Wil Smith on "Fresh
>>>Prince", among many other parts. She has been a working actor all along.
>>> (Sorry...can't remember her name at the moment...)
>This lady was one of the better black comedic actresses around. Mind you,
>she played it straight which is generally regarded as more difficult than
>zany (Both Abbot and Martin got 60% to Costello and Lewis' 40%). My
>understanding is she made the awful mistake of getting pregnant prompting
>Wil Smith to demand she be fired. They fired her, she brought suit, and
>now her career is ruined because of it. She was a far better actress than
>the woman who replaced her.
I think you are getting the two women confused. The woman who played
Will's aunt got pregnant and left the show. Verne played Will's mother.
Nat Turner
In article <afram1-1802...@dp1-006.ppp.iglou.com>,
Michael R. Hicks <afr...@iglou.com> wrote:
>In article <8562550...@dejanews.com>, ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>
>> In article <01bc1d55$3a65b160$9005cfa9@Pbturner>,
>>
>> I see him in movies now and again. But nothing in the past 2 years.
>
>He was in Tony, Toni, Toné's "Let's Get Down" video...
>
Fargas is arguably one of the funniest guys ever to grace the silver
screen. His pimp scene from "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka!" is for my money
the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. I've played it back a million
times and still laugh as hard as I did the first time. Then there was his
character from "Across 125th St" . There he takes a bit role and makes it
one of the film's most memorable. And this is precisely what Fargas did so
well -- take minor roles and craft them so they're never forgotten. But,
sadly, what Fargas seemingly couldn't do is just as telling. One look at
his long, weathered face and you know this is a man who's spent a
life-time battling drugs. There can be little question here; you've
seen the same face on the street-corner a thousand times before. And it
stole his grit and soul. Clearly, he played the characters he was
relegated to so well because he was playing himself. "Huggy Bear" was
Antonio Fargas and Antonio Fargas was Huggy Bear. Then when America's
fascination with drug-addled street characters ended, so did his career --
pretty much.
There were a bunch of other actors who never went anywhere for the same
reason. I could name names but is it really necessary? Just look at their
faces, their faces speak volumes.
BTW, the last I heard of Nina Simone was that she had gone out on the
stage so souped-up on scag that she began nodding at the middle of a song.
You remember Nina Simone, the black princess of the 60s?
Nat Turner
Fresh Air Cab Co.
>--
>Michael R. Hicks - Louisville, KY
>a "new jack scholar"
>
>Great minds talk about ideas,
>Average minds talk about events,
>Small minds talk about people...
>Of which mind are you?
--
Nat Turner
Well why did Verne leave then? My sense is because of Will Smith.
Nat
--
J Lanier
In <5eedav$vbd$1...@news.smart.net> tur...@smarty.smart.net (Nat Turner) writes:
[...]
>>I think you are getting the two women confused. The woman who played
>>Will's aunt got pregnant and left the show. Verne played Will's mother.
>>
>Well why did Verne leave then? My sense is because of Will Smith.
What do you mean leave? I think she only had a recurring role.
Kimberly Walker
On 19 Feb 1997, Nat Turner wrote:
> Well why did Verne leave then? My sense is because of Will Smith.
She DIDN'T leave the show. Get with the program. the first actress
who played the "Aunt Viv" Character got pregnant, had an attack of the
hormones and got fired. Daphne Maxwell Reid took over the role. Verne
Watson ALWAYS played Will's mother.
Gabrielle Daniels
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Richard Kenyada wrote back to J Lanier and me:
> >>>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
> >>>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
> >>>>the life of me remember her name.
> >
> >>She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
> >>School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
> >>to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
> >>First name started with a D, I think...
> >
> >I was thinking her name was Theresa Graves for some reason. Maybe I'm
> >thinking of someone else though.
>
> That's It!! You're Right...and the second sister was Chelsea Brown.
> Mystery solved.
So, all right...
What are these women doing nowadays!?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Mo va pas pre e vous baton pou casse mo latete."
GOMBO (Louisiana Creole)
-I'm not going to lend you a stick to break my head with.-
'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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=======================================================================
Bently Turner
The actress who played on "Welcome Back Kotter" with the short hair is
Vernee Watson.
She dated Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington (Lawrence Hilton Jacobs) on the
series.
Nat Turner
In article <Pine.A32.3.94.970219...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu>,
Wait a minute, let's try to sort this out --"Aunt Viv" is the woman I'm
talking about. She was the stellar actor on the show, the real comedic
genius. Her gift was a superb ability to underplay her role something the
current surplus of black sitcom buffoons can well learn from. Daphne
Mawell Reid is nice but not at all in her class. So, "Aunt Viv" is the
actress I meant.And I'll ignore your remark about hormones because it's
beneath you and I know you really didn't mean to say it.
This woman was such a consummate actress, I'm sure that's why Will Smith
didn't like her. Again, Will is a buffoon. When he plays "Fresh Prince"
he's really playing himself. A clown, really.
Nat Turner
Fresh Air Cab Co
--
Apryl
On 19 Feb 1997 19:50:43 GMT, "Bently Turner"
<bently...@midata.com> wrote:
She was last spotted as the mother of Will Smith on 'The Fresh Prince
of Bel Air'
Apryl
Who is a third generation Couch Potato
TTMitchell
Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, TTMitchell wrote back to me:
>> >I've got another set of missing-in-action folks, to wit:
>>
>> >Sugar Ray Leonard. Nuff said.
>>
>> He's fighting Hector "Macho" Camacho soon.
>Lord. Can't he get a clue from Muhammad Ali?
Nope.
>BTW, y'all go see "When we were kings," about the Rumble in the Jungle.
>It's been nominated for the Best Documentary Oscar.
>This was the fight everyone said made Ali what he is
>today...unfortunately.
Actually, it was more the last Joe Frazier fight than this one, but it
didn't help.
>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>the life of me remember her name.
This was Teresa Graves; what a beautiful lady!
--
Mitch
TTMitchell
cfol...@mail.myriad.net (Rohgue) wrote:
>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>>the life of me remember her name.
>>
>Wasn't her name Tamara Dobson?
Oh no! Tamara Dobson was one of the women of movies, but never TV;
too bad.
--
Mitch
TTMitchell
cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
>What happened to Lola Falana?
She's gone religious, and refuses to go back to Vegas or anywhere else
to perform, unless she can talk about, well, you know.
--
Mitch
TTMitchell
jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>In <3307d56...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> cia...@popd.ix.netcom.com (Wayne Johnson) writes:
>>jla...@panix.com (J Lanier) wrote:
>>>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>>>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>>>>the life of me remember her name.
>>She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
>>School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
>>to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
>>First name started with a D, I think...
>I was thinking her name was Theresa Graves for some reason. Maybe I'm
>thinking of someone else though.
You're right; the only one right!
--
Mitch
Richard Kenyada
>On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Richard Kenyada wrote back to J Lanier and me:
>
>> >>>>The sister from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," and the TV show, "Get
>> >>>>Christy Love!" They used to paint her up like Goldie Hawn. Can't for
>> >>>>the life of me remember her name.
>> >
>> >>She was a fellow graduate of my own alma mater, George Washington High
>> >>School in Los Angeles (now George Washington Preparatory Academy), and
>> >>to my eternal shame, I can't think of her name right now either.
>> >>First name started with a D, I think...
>> >
>> >I was thinking her name was Theresa Graves for some reason. Maybe I'm
>> >thinking of someone else though.
>>
>> That's It!! You're Right...and the second sister was Chelsea Brown.
>> Mystery solved.
>
>So, all right...
>
>What are these women doing nowadays!?
I think the fact that it took so long to remember their Names
speaks volumes about what they're doing now. :-)
Actually some Hollywood directors should seek them out
for roles as mothers and other older women. There seems to be
an endless supply of young ms. thangs, and we've got the
waiting-to-exhale age group covered. But just last year we lost a
fine older actress in Rosalind Cash.
(Of course, in a pinch, we could always call on Eddie Murphy :)
Kenyada
J Lanier
>In article <Pine.A32.3.94.970219...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu>,
>Kimberly Walker <kwa...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu> wrote:
>>On 19 Feb 1997, Nat Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Well why did Verne leave then? My sense is because of Will Smith.
>>
>>She DIDN'T leave the show. Get with the program. the first actress
>>who played the "Aunt Viv" Character got pregnant, had an attack of the
>>hormones and got fired. Daphne Maxwell Reid took over the role. Verne
>>Watson ALWAYS played Will's mother.
>>
>Wait a minute, let's try to sort this out --"Aunt Viv" is the woman I'm
>talking about. She was the stellar actor on the show, the real comedic
Okay, that's fine, but we were talking about Vernee in connection with the
original query of what she was doing currently and one of those things was
playing the role of Will's mother. Then you referred to Vernee as the one
who left the show, but you were in fact talking about another actress
entirely, who played his Aunt. We are just trying to clear up who was
being referred to....
....so proceed...
>genius. Her gift was a superb ability to underplay her role something the
>current surplus of black sitcom buffoons can well learn from. Daphne
>Mawell Reid is nice but not at all in her class. So, "Aunt Viv" is the
>actress I meant.And I'll ignore your remark about hormones because it's
>beneath you and I know you really didn't mean to say it.
I tend to agree. I preferred the first actress that played the aunt to
the second one. JMO.
Rich Thompson
On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Kimberly Walker wrote:
> She DIDN'T leave the show. Get with the program. the first actress
> who played the "Aunt Viv" Character got pregnant, had an attack of the
> hormones and got fired.
When you say an "attack of the hormones" you mean what, exactly? Was she
harassing Will or Alonso?
Peace,
Rich
Richard Thompson
Department of Psychology
McGill University
1205 Dr. Penfield Ave.
Montreal, Quebec
H3A 1B1
Young and rich and full of sugar."
Jack Sprat
ka...@ecn.com wrote:
>
> Needless to say, I despise Don King and most of the other promoters. I
> KNOW some boxing promoters. I still don't like them. They rank
> somewhere below attorneys and drug dealers in my estimation.
>
> Kaiju <and that IS an extreme judgement...>
>
you.
By the way, what ever happened to Matthew Saad Muhammad, former
light-heavyweight champ?
00:00
Jack Sprat
AntiTroll wrote:
>
> Dig'em on the Sugar Smacks box?
He wound up on a dinner plate at a great French restruant in Manhattan.
Jack Sprat
Bently Turner wrote:
>
> Here are some more Missing In Action people:
>
> Saturday cartoon)
People mag just had a "Where Are They Now..." Rodney is working at a
news station in LA behind the camera I believe ...
> 2. Meadowlark Lemon? (Harlem Globetrotters)
Still barnstorms with an independent team I think.
> 3. Mark Copeage (Corey Baker from "Julia")?
In the same People article. Is supposed to be a serious guitar player,
and trying to reenter show business...
> 7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
Still does standup ... had a special on Showtime a couple of years ago -
and let me tell you something:
I should have stuck with standup. I'm funnier in an Intensive Care Unit
than he was the entire 90 minutes...
Has anyone heard from:
1. Rudy Ray Moore?
2. Tracy Camila Johns of "She's Gotta Have It" fame? (Yum, yum)
Thanks,
The Doc
p.s. I saw the guy who played "Jamie" in "Gotta Have It" ... in a
commericial for a law firm specializing in accident claims. No joke, he
was doing the laywer thing with that sober face of his...made me want to
get whiplash and hire their firm. :-)
ka...@ecn.com
In article <330bff0...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:30:51 -0800, Gabrielle Daniels
> <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Richard Kenyada wrote back to J Lanier and me:
> >What are these women doing nowadays!?
>
> I think the fact that it took so long to remember their Names
> speaks volumes about what they're doing now. :-)
>
> Actually some Hollywood directors should seek them out
> for roles as mothers and other older women. There seems to be
> an endless supply of young ms. thangs, and we've got the
> waiting-to-exhale age group covered. But just last year we lost a
> fine older actress in Rosalind Cash.
The critical difference between the women in question and Rosalind Cash
is (was?) that while Theresa and Chelsea are incredibly beautiful women,
Rosalind could act. In fact, Rosalind had an acting job right up until
her death and was always highly regarded as an actor.
But then, Theresa voluntarily gave up her career...
Kaiju
Richard Kenyada
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:22:48 CST, trainee #7 <fp...@MHFP.SWMED.EDU>
wrote:
>
>I saw Carl Lumley play the lead in "Nightjohn" on Disney channel
>this year. Didn't he also play Cicely Tyson's son in Road to
>Galveston? Link from Mod Squad was also in this film.
>
>On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Wayne Johnson wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 18 FEB 1997 05:43:22 GMT
>> From: Wayne Johnson <cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com>
>> >5. The Black Superhero on the show "Mantis" (a crippled guy by day, hero by
>> >night)
>>
>> Carl Lumbly. Brilliant actor, good looking as all get out...I expect
>> to see him around.
>>
For those with cable TV, you can check out Carl this coming Sunday
(Feb 23) at 7 pm on The Family Channel, in a world premier
made-for- tv movie called "The Ditchdigger's Daughters". It's
a drama about a hardworking man who struggled to send his
five daughters to medical school.
Kenyada
Nat Turner
In article <8565126...@dejanews.com>, <ka...@ecn.com> wrote:
>In article <330bff0...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
> ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:30:51 -0800, Gabrielle Daniels
>> <gdan...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Richard Kenyada wrote back to J Lanier and me:
><snip>
>
>> >What are these women doing nowadays!?
>>
>> I think the fact that it took so long to remember their Names
>> speaks volumes about what they're doing now. :-)
>>
>> Actually some Hollywood directors should seek them out
>> for roles as mothers and other older women. There seems to be
>> an endless supply of young ms. thangs, and we've got the
>> waiting-to-exhale age group covered. But just last year we lost a
>> fine older actress in Rosalind Cash.
>
>The critical difference between the women in question and Rosalind Cash
>is (was?) that while Theresa and Chelsea are incredibly beautiful women,
>Rosalind could act. In fact, Rosalind had an acting job right up until
>her death and was always highly regarded as an actor.
>
>But then, Theresa voluntarily gave up her career...
>
>
>Kaiju
>
Sorry, but your glittering generalities must be commented on here. Theresa
Graves was not "incredibly beautiful" nor was she an actress who couldn't
act. Indeed, linking the two descriptors together as you do is usually
misleading in any event. Least ways, this is my opinion. Now, I make the
comment about Theresa Graves' beauty because your opinion of it misses the
whole point of what her character was and why she was chosen to do the
role. I think this distinction is key if only to better able communicate a
modicum of meaningful standards.
In other words, there is a standard we she should strive for even when
talking about subjective things such as "beauty." It makes little sense to
run around calling everybody who every appeared on film an "incredibly
beautiful" actress.
For example, if a Hollywood producer put out a call for an "incredibly
beautiful" black woman, he'd not at all mean Theresa Graves. Judy Pace,
sure, Lena Horn, definitely, but not Theresa Graves. And, please, don't
turn this into a shallow black & white thing, or a useless "beauty is in
the eye of the beholder" soliloquy, I'm talking about the objective
standards people in the industry have come to use over the years;
standards that have spilled over into common use most people recognize and
accept. The more reason why your misuse of the term here screams for
correction.
Theresa Graves was an "incredibly attractive" actress -- stunningly
attractive, and as such infinitely more marketable than someone merely
incredibly beautiful. I would argue that "incredibly attractive" or a
similar term takes in more than just physical beauty. It tells us more,
lets us know that the woman's charms work on many different levels. I
suspect that the producers of the show went through boatloads of
"incredibly beautiful" black women before they found Theresa Graves, and
for this reason if no other, we see how the term "incredibly beautiful"
applied to her fails at once.
As to acting ability this may be more difficult. Was Rosaland Cash a great
actress? I don't think so. Was Theresa Graves great? Most definitely so!
Sure, the role was a shallow one, but you make a typical mistake here --
you think because an actress takes a shallow role she must be a shallow
actress. This is fallacious thinking.
Nat Turner
In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.970220...@ego.psych.mcgill.ca>,
Rich Thompson <tho...@ego.psych.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Kimberly Walker wrote:
>
>> She DIDN'T leave the show. Get with the program. the first actress
>> who played the "Aunt Viv" Character got pregnant, had an attack of the
>> hormones and got fired.
>
>When you say an "attack of the hormones" you mean what, exactly? Was she
>harassing Will or Alonso?
>
>Peace,
>Rich
>
>
>
My point exactly, Rich. Without qualification the quote is subject
to a Pandora's Box of interpretation -- none of it good.
Nat
--
Jason Black
In article <5ek98g$lvg$1...@news.smart.net>,
>In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.970220...@ego.psych.mcgill.ca>,
>Rich Thompson <tho...@ego.psych.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Kimberly Walker wrote:
>>
>>> She DIDN'T leave the show. Get with the program. the first actress
>>> who played the "Aunt Viv" Character got pregnant, had an attack of the
>>> hormones and got fired.
>>
>>When you say an "attack of the hormones" you mean what, exactly? Was she
>>harassing Will or Alonso?
From what I remember about the subject, she was starting to complain
about the show, about not getting along with the staff and cast, and
about not getting enough money. Apparently she and Will got into several
arguments, which eventually resulted in her removal.
--
Jason Black (bl...@cs.fsu.edu) <Ph.D one day - VERY soon, hopefully!!>"
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Apryl
Isn't this supposed to be based on a true story??
True or not (I hope it's true.. I'd like to be able to find more on
this) I plan to see this movie. The commercials make it look good, and
Lumley usually gets good roles.
Apryl
Who loves good movies with Black folx in them
Apryl
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:08:40 GMT, ttmit...@msn.com (TTMitchell)
wrote:
>cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
She also has Multiple Sclerosis. The same crippling disease that has
his Richard Pryor and had crippled Barbara Jordan.
I have no idea if there is any truth to the 'gone religious' stuff...
but I have no real problem with that, if that's what she's done.
She was a Vegas performer, from the Get Go.
Apryl
Who always did like Lola Falana
Kaiju
Jack Sprat <jsp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> 3. Mark Copeage (Corey Baker from "Julia")?
>In the same People article. Is supposed to be a serious guitar player,
>and trying to reenter show business...
Still trying, eh? What? It's been 10 years now? Talk about determination...
>> 7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
>Still does standup ... had a special on Showtime a couple of years ago -
>and let me tell you something:
>I should have stuck with standup. I'm funnier in an Intensive Care Unit
>than he was the entire 90 minutes...
LOL!
>Has anyone heard from:
>1. Rudy Ray Moore?
Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to him/her...
That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
Kaiju
TTMitchell
Kimberly Walker <kwa...@umabnet.ab.umd.edu> wrote:
>On 19 Feb 1997, Nat Turner wrote:
>> Well why did Verne leave then? My sense is because of Will Smith.
>She DIDN'T leave the show. Get with the program. the first actress
>who played the "Aunt Viv" Character got pregnant, had an attack of the
>hormones and got fired. Daphne Maxwell Reid took over the role. Verne
>Watson ALWAYS played Will's mother.
Well, this story depends on who you believe, doesn't it? She told a
different version on Entertainment Tonight at that time, and wasn't
there some lawsuit or something that we never found out how it got
resolved?
--
Mitch
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TTMitchell
ap...@mail-me.com (Apryl) wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:08:40 GMT, ttmit...@msn.com (TTMitchell)
>wrote:
>>cia...@popd.ix.netcom.nojunkmail.com (Wayne Johnson) wrote:
>>>What happened to Lola Falana?
>>She's gone religious, and refuses to go back to Vegas or anywhere else
>>to perform, unless she can talk about, well, you know.
>She also has Multiple Sclerosis. The same crippling disease that has
>his Richard Pryor and had crippled Barbara Jordan.
She says she doesn't have it anymore, and that the Lord cured her of
it. I don't remember which talk show she was on.
Nat Turner
Rudy Ray Moore was a fringe contender black comedian who because or his
blue language and racy themes was something of the official
comedian of black pimps/whores/low-lifes throughout the 60s,
70s, and 80s. Simply put, his humor was filthy with no redeeming value to
speak of. In Moore's world everyone fitted into one of four characters --
pimps, whores, faggots, and tricks. So it was, no matter what joke or poem
he told the punch-line could always be expected to reveal this great truth
about life and people (that all people -- no matter who they are -- fit
into one of these four categories).
Of course, with such a limited repertoire Moore's career was doomed. And
even though there were others like Red Foxx and Pryor who were able to
rise above their humble beginnings, Moore couldn't; mainly because
although he was a somewhat funny guy, his humor was so thoroughly dirty
no amount of washing behind his ear could render him clean enough
for prime time -- the crude had seeminly become too ingrained.
In addition, his material was never original; in fact, it was precisely
the kind of fare black kids have whispered among themselves for ages; the
kind of jokes we called "nasty" when I was coming up -- The "Butt
Sisters," whores that "would make a blind man cum," and that endearing,
old chestnut, "Boy, your mama's pussy is so big..."
Nat Turner
Fresh Air Cab Co.
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ka...@ecn.com
In article <5eqbsp$d...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
The stories I heard at the time was that the first Aunt Viv was very
difficult on the set, very demanding, was given to screaming and shouting
at the other cast members and at the crew, and demanding that she be
given more and better lines. Reportedly, the tension was terrible. Will
Smith, as the star, and Quincy Jones finally had enough and she was
fired. (It's a bad career move to harass the show's star and producer.)
She sued. And you're right...we never did hear how that was resolved.
(Sources: The National Enquirer, E! Gossip Show, and Geraldo. I only
utilize the best. <snicker>)
Nicole Anderson
On 18 Feb 1997, Bently Turner wrote:
> 6. The tenement superintendant "Booga" Bookman from the series "Good Times"
appeared on an episode of the jamie foxx show recently
>
> 9. JJ's FINE sister .... THELMA (I had a serious crush on her back in the
> '70s)
if i'm not mistaken, she's a professional dancer.
nic
Roger Brown
ka...@ecn.com (Kaiju) wrote:
>>> 7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
>>Still does standup ... had a special on Showtime a couple of years ago -
>>and let me tell you something:
>>I should have stuck with standup. I'm funnier in an Intensive Care Unit
>>than he was the entire 90 minutes...
>LOL!
I saw Jimmie Walker at my health spa a couple of years ago. He looked
.... older. But, healthy.
>>Has anyone heard from:
>>1. Rudy Ray Moore?
>Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to him/her...
>That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
He was Dolomite, a famous routine I never heard. He died soon after
making "Bebe's Kids", I believe.
- Roger
>Kaiju
Gabrielle Daniels
What??
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Roger Brown wrote:
> I saw Jimmie Walker at my health spa a couple of years ago. He looked
> .... older. But, healthy.
I wonder what his bank account feels like...
> >>Has anyone heard from:
>
> >>1. Rudy Ray Moore?
>
> >Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to him/her...
> >That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
>
> He was Dolomite, a famous routine I never heard. He died soon after
> making "Bebe's Kids", I believe.
That wasn't Rudy Ray Moore that died after making "Bebe's Kids," that
was Robin Harris.
Whadda world. Now I wish that dude had lived a bit longer, too.
Brother made me laff a track when he was in "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka,"
and the original "House Party."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Mo va pas pre e vous baton pou casse mo latete."
GOMBO (Louisiana Creole)
-I'm not going to lend you a stick to break my head with.-
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Richard Kenyada
>> >>Has anyone heard from:
>>
>> >>1. Rudy Ray Moore?
>>
>> >Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to him/her...
>> >That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
>>
>> He was Dolomite, a famous routine I never heard. He died soon after
>> making "Bebe's Kids", I believe.
>
>That wasn't Rudy Ray Moore that died after making "Bebe's Kids," that
>was Robin Harris.
Actually Robin died *before* making BeBe's Kids. His voice was
mimicked by an another actor.(can't remember his name, but it's in the
closing credits)
>
>Whadda world. Now I wish that dude had lived a bit longer, too.
>Brother made me laff a track when he was in "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka,"
>and the original "House Party."
Yeah, and don't forget his stand up routines in "Mo' Better Blues",
and his cameo appearance in "Do The Right Thing". It's really a shame
that he died at the height of his film popularity.
Kenyada
Nat Turner
In article <5et27g$q...@boursy.news.erols.com>,
Roger Brown <bro...@erols.com> wrote:
>ka...@ecn.com (Kaiju) wrote:
>
>>>> 7. Jimmy "JJ" Walker (Kid DYN 'O Mite! from Good Times)
>
>>>Still does standup ... had a special on Showtime a couple of years ago -
>>>and let me tell you something:
>
>>>I should have stuck with standup. I'm funnier in an Intensive Care Unit
>>>than he was the entire 90 minutes...
>
>>LOL!
>
>.... older. But, healthy.
>
>
>>>1. Rudy Ray Moore?
>
>>Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to him/her...
>>That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
>
>He was Dolomite, a famous routine I never heard. He died soon after
>making "Bebe's Kids", I believe.
>
>
No, that wasn't Rudy Ray Moore.
Nat
>>Kaiju
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Wayne Johnson
Gabrielle Daniels <gdan...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>That wasn't Rudy Ray Moore that died after making "Bebe's Kids," that
>was Robin Harris.
>
>Whadda world. Now I wish that dude had lived a bit longer, too.
>Brother made me laff a track when he was in "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka,"
>and the original "House Party."
He broke me up as one of the wisecracking guys on the street in Do The
Right Thing, and as a hanger on in Mo Better Blues. He could drop
one-liners asides better than anybody except my Uncle Fred.
Wayne "knocked me down when he put down a brotha with, 'niggaz head
looked like a question mark'" Johnson
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Nicole Anderson
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Roger Brown wrote:
>
> >Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to him/her...
> >That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
>
> He was Dolomite, a famous routine I never heard. He died soon after
> making "Bebe's Kids", I believe.
>
> - Roger
those are two different people. robin harris did bebe's kids. dolomite
was on an episode of martin not too long ago. it was the episode that
they hosted a playa's ball and he was one of the contestants for playa of
the year.
nic
Michael R. Hicks
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970225...@bio1.acpub.duke.edu>,
Nicole Anderson <n...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
You mean... ya'll never seen "Dolemite", "The Human Tornado?",
or the "Devil's Son-in-Law (Peedie Wheatstraw)?"
You haven't seen "Rudy Ray Moore in Concert" (70's)... you all
have *never* heard of the "Signified Monkey?"
Dag! Ya'll are lackin' in the street culture, the tradition w/Southern
roots...
--
Michael R. Hicks - Louisville, KY
a "new jack scholar"
Great minds talk about ideas,
Average minds talk about events,
Small minds talk about people...
Of which mind are you?
TTMitchell
afr...@iglou.com (Michael R. Hicks) wrote:
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970225...@bio1.acpub.duke.edu>,
>Nicole Anderson <n...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Roger Brown wrote:
>> > >>1. Rudy Ray Moore?
>> >
>> > >Huh? I don't even know who this person is, no less what happened to
>him/her...
>> > >That doesn't bode well for Rudy in either case...
>> >
>> > He was Dolomite, a famous routine I never heard. He died soon after
>> > making "Bebe's Kids", I believe.
>> >
>> > - Roger
>>
>> those are two different people. robin harris did bebe's kids. dolomite
>> was on an episode of martin not too long ago. it was the episode that
>> they hosted a playa's ball and he was one of the contestants for playa of
>> the year.
>You mean... ya'll never seen "Dolemite", "The Human Tornado?",
>or the "Devil's Son-in-Law (Peedie Wheatstraw)?"
>You haven't seen "Rudy Ray Moore in Concert" (70's)... you all
>have *never* heard of the "Signified Monkey?"
>Dag! Ya'll are lackin' in the street culture, the tradition w/Southern
>roots...
I saw three Dolemite movies in one night and hated every one of them.
Not only were the premises totally unbelievable but his rap, what he
was supposedly famous for, wasn't funny or entertaining to me.
Frankly, as bad as it was, I got more enjoyment out of Super Fly.
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Blackman
> I saw three Dolemite movies in one night and hated every one of them.
Man, what a glutton for punishment :)
Rudy Ray Moore was back there in Moms Mabley's day if I'm not mistaken.
And I also remember some weird movie I saw him in. It was worse than
Sweet Back's Bad Ass Song written, directed, acted in, and everything
else by Melvin Van Peebles, Mario's dad. That had been the worst
blaxploitation movie I have ever seen until RRM.
His dialouge was a combination of storytelling and rhime on the one
album I heard by him. It had the Signifying Monkey on it.
I believe the Monkey was in a dilemma:
Shine, Shine, please save me,
I'll give you more money than you ever did see.
Money is good while it last,
But Shine got to save his own black ass.
Blackman
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talk. The only poem you will hear will be the spearpoint
pivoted in the punctured marrow of the villian. Therefore we
are the last poets of the world."
Willie Kgositsile
Kenneth Crudup
In article <33122f6c...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) says:
>Yeah, and don't forget [Robin Harris'] stand up routines in "Mo' Better
>Blues", and his cameo appearance in "Do The Right Thing". It's really a shame
>that he died at the height of his film popularity.
Remember his HBO (Showtime?) special?
"Gotta go! Gotta go!"
"You crazy? Sheeeit- I'm crazy too! Have a seat!"
-Kenny "SMALL WORLD!" Crudup
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TTMitchell
ke...@panix.com (Kenneth Crudup) wrote:
>In article <33122f6c...@news.atl.mindspring.com>,
>ken...@atl.mindspring.com (Richard Kenyada) says:
>>Yeah, and don't forget [Robin Harris'] stand up routines in "Mo' Better
>>Blues", and his cameo appearance in "Do The Right Thing". It's really a shame
>>that he died at the height of his film popularity.
>Remember his HBO (Showtime?) special?
>"Gotta go! Gotta go!"
>"You crazy? Sheeeit- I'm crazy too! Have a seat!"
You got it; HBO.
"Who's kids are these?"
"They's Bebe's kids."
"Then where's Bebe?"