Australia - Black and white justice
Neil Boss
mistreatment of the native people of Australia. The city of Townsville on
the mid-coast of Queensland founded by a British colonlist name Towns, the
cities name is drived from his surname.
Many native people are being denied natural justice, in fact there are many
incidense where police have not taken action againt pigskins who have
deliberately rundown native people and have killed them, the mayor of
Townsville has also been accused of such a crime. Skinheads/neo-nazi gangs
have sprung up in Townsville would have been targetting the native people
and have told them that they will be killed. Read below for more details ..
the PM of Australia tells the world there is no racism in Australia !!!
http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1938.asp
Black and white justice
February 26, 2006
Reporter : Ross Coulthart
Producer : Nick Farrow
Just how colour blind is the judicial system in far north Queensland? In
this special report, Ross Coulthart looks at troubling issues highlighted by
two tragedies on the streets of Townsville. Both were hit and run killings
where the victims were Aborigines and the drivers young white males. How
these deaths were investigated and the way those responsible were then
prosecuted and dealt with by the courts has outraged the families of Errol
Wyles and Yasman Rae Sturt. The driver of the car that killed Yasman
received a suspended prison sentence and a $750 fine. The youth who killed
Errol served two-and-a-half months in jail then spent the rest of his
15-month term on a prison farm. Ross Coulthart presents strong evidence
suggesting that Errol's death was racially motivated and amounted to
homicide ...
Click here to read the Queensland DPP's questions and response
Click here to read Queensland Police's questions and response
To find out more about the Errol Wyles case, click here
TRANSCRIPT
COULTHART: Late one night in Townsville, two years ago. A boy is run over by
a car. Twice it crushes his body. But the driver doesn't stop and
fifteen-year-old Errol Wyles is left dying on the road.
LINDA DAVIS - RESIDENT: He was trying to hit the boys on the bikes.
COULTHART: You're in no doubt about that?
DAVIS: No, he was aiming at them.
COULTHART: Another street in Townsville, eight months earlier. The broken
body of a young woman is found. Close to death, Yasman Rae Sturt is the
victim of another hit and run.
JORDAN GEE-HOY: I'm looking at her, coughing, choking on her own blood. She'
s still alive. I'm staring at her praying for the poor girl
COULTHART: Both victims were Aborigines. The drivers were white and both of
them fled the scene. The victims' families believe the drivers in both cases
were treated far too leniently by the justice system.
ERROL WYLES SNR - FATHER OF ERROL WYLES: There's two laws. There's laws for
white Australia and there's another set of laws for indigenous Australians.
COULTHART: Today on Sunday allegations of a racially motivated killing and
disturbing evidence of serious failures in our criminal justice system.
KEN HORLER QC - BARRISTER: There is a strong, compelling case to go to the
jury that the action of the driver on the night amounted to a form of
homicide. Not just dangerous driving.
STEWART LEVITT - LAWYER FOR WYLES FAMILY: It's just intolerable that a
person could be killed in circumstances where there is not the fullest and
most thorough investigation into the circumstances and where the criminal
law doesn't do its darndest to ensure that justice is done.
COULTHART: Here in what is one of Australia's largest indigenous
communities, Townsville's Aborigines claim that there is systematic racism
in Queensland's justice system - that all too often a white person who kills
or injures a black person is dealt with far too leniently by the police and
courts. That there's one law for the blacks and another for the whites.
The first day of the barramundi fishing season in Queensland. Burt Summers,
John Brooks, Matthew Lampton and Gordon Hankin, try their luck in the Ross
River. Once. They'd have been there with Errol Wyles, their good mate who
one Friday night in June 2003 died in front of them.
COULTHART: That night Townsville teacher Linda Davis was throwing a party
for her eldest daughter.
COULTHART: Was it a boozy party?
LINDA DAVIS: There was plenty of alcohol.
COULTHART: Errol Wyles and his four friends who'd also been drinking earlier
turned up outside.
MATTHEW LAMPTON: We all rocked up. And when we first rocked up these lads
were singing out "Oh you coons - you black . what are youse all doing here?
You're not invited here." And we started swearing them back.
COULTHART: Worried there'd be violence, Linda Davis called the police. Errol
and his friends left. But two hours later as the party was ending, they
returned.
LINDA DAVIS: People were watching for taxis and some of them yelled, "They'
re coming back." And I thought that's trouble and I started to call the
police again. I had the triple 0 number. I was watching out of the window.
There was a car that was making a lot of noise. It went to turn left but
instead of leaving down the intersection it reversed backwards.
COULTHART: That car Linda could see was a Holden Berlina being driven by
this man, nineteen-year-old Scott Hasenkamp.
MATTHEW LAMPTON: I went over and asked him for a cigarette and he was saying
something back at me but every time I was trying to talk to him he kept on
moving his car forward. And I said "Nah. Let's cruise. Let's keep on walking
boys."
COULTHART: Without warning, Scott Hasenkamp reversed to where Matthew
Lampton and John Brooks were standing.
JOHN BROOKS: He knew we were there.
COULTHART: What do you think he was trying to do?
JOHN BROOKS: Hit us. Hurt us and he clipped the back of our bikes.
COULTHART: Hasenkamp drove forwards. And then, according to two witnesses he
looked over his shoulder through the rear window. Errol Wyles was standing
with his bike behind him.
MATTHEW LAMPTON: He revved it up and there was a loud skid and that really
'braam.' You know when you're reversing it hard.
COULTHART: Another witness told police the Berlina changed direction after
the first collision. and then seemed to aim at Errol Wyles. Scott Hasenkamp
rolled first over the bike and then Errol's body.
LINDA DAVIS: Several of the kids on the street were calling out "He's trying
to hit them." And then, "Call an Ambulance." One of them had been hit.
COULTHART: How long did the car stop after it had hit Errol the first time?
JOHN BROOKS: Two seconds, one second.
COULTHART: So it was sitting there just briefly?
JOHN BROOKS: Yeah.
COULTHART: Do you think he must have known that he'd hit Errol?
JOHN BROOKS: Yeah. He knew he'd hit someone
COULTHART: In the front passenger seat, Walter Gillmore realised someone was
trapped under the car.
READ FROM STATEMENT OF WALTER GILLMORE: I couldn't see the person but knew
he was under the wheel of the car. I knew straight away that Scott had run
over the person with the bike.
COULTHART: Hasenkamp then drove over Errol's body - and off into the night.
LINDA DAVIS: People were rushing around saying "Can we save him?" because he
was still alive. He had his head up on the kerb and I saw that there was a
lot of blood and I thought that it wasn't looking good.
COULTHART: Some thirty minutes later, ambulance officers declared Errol
Wyles dead. Their statements recorded massive injuries to his head and
chest. The driver Scott Hasenkamp had long fled. But partygoers quickly gave
Police the phone numbers of people in the car.
LINDA DAVIS: They used my phone in the driveway to call several numbers and
they were asking one of the young party members who they could call to try
and work out who was driving the car. And eventually they located the driver
COULTHART: While you were standing next to him?
LINDA DAVIS: Mmm
COULTHART: What did you hear?
LINDA DAVIS: I can't remember the words but I remember I was certain they
had located the driver out at Nome.
COULTHART: How long after the incident was the policeman having that
conversation on the phone?
LINDA DAVIS: It could have been 15, 20 minutes, half an hour. I am not sure.
COULTHART: Hasenkamp's family home is about 15 minutes drive from where
Errol was killed. But Police claim they didn't actually find Hasenkamp until
they arrived at his parent's home four and a half hours after the incident.
Crucially it was then well outside the two-hour statutory limit within which
Police can demand that a driver submits to tests for alcohol.
STEWART LEVITT - WYLES FAMILY LAWYER: Every effort should have been made to
track down the accused person in the shortest possible time.
COULTHART: They said they did that. They tried to find him.
STEWART LEVIT: Well I am not persuaded that every effort was made.
COULTHART: Sunday put 101 written questions to the Queensland Police. We
asked about their efforts to find Hasenkamp and if they'd phoned his family
home within half an hour of the incident, as Linda Davis recalls. We also
asked if Scott Hasenkamp has any family members in the Queensland Police and
what one of the investigating team detectives meant when he said in a
statement that he knew Scott Hasenkamp. In a short official response, the
Queensland Police told us they'd investigate any new evidence. Otherwise,
all our 101 questions remain unanswered.
ERROL WYLES SNR: I believe he was just out to kill somebody that night, to
kill my son. There's no other, there's no other explanation for it.
COULTHART: Errol Wyles' family was only officially informed by Police of
their son's death three days after he'd been killed. And incredibly, Police
chose to call at their home with the official notification at eleven o'clock
at night.
ERROL WYLES SNR: The Townsville paper did say ah that he was, a cyclist was
killed and our son. This was before the Police ever notified us.
COULTHART: So the media had been briefed about your son's death before you
were?
ERROL WYLES SNR: Exactly.
COULTHART: To compound their distress, months later Errol Wyles' family
learned Scott Hasenkamp was only to be charged with the offence of dangerous
driving, causing death. And at the Townsville District Court in March 2004,
he pleaded guilty to that offence and received a four-year custodial
sentence, with a minimum non parole period of 15 months' jail.
ERROL WYLES SNR: But he didn't serve 15 months. All he served was two and a
half months within the bars and the rest of the 15 months he was pulled out
of prison and taken out to a work program camp. He's out working on a farm.
And he is supposed to be serving time within bars.
KEN HORLER: He got off very lightly at the hands of the prosecution.
COULTHART: Barrister Ken Horler is a Sydney Queen's Counsel. He recently
reviewed the evidence against Scott Hasenkamp for the Wyles family.
COULTHART: What charge do you think ought appropriately have been considered
in that case?
KEN HORLER: Not the one they finally came up with, which was tapping him
with a feather duster. To deliberately drive and aim as the witnesses have
said at the group of aboriginal boys on their bicycles and to end up quickly
killing one of their number was murder or manslaughter. It's homicide.
COULTHART: In a written submission to the sentencing judge, the prosecution
said Hasenkamp was just trying to scare Errol Wyles with the car. Judge Tony
Skoien queried whether the collision with Errol Wyles was deliberate. and
was told by the prosecution that there was no evidence of this.
KEN HORLER: The evidence was all the other way. That the driving, the
dangerous and homicidal driving was intentional.
ERROL WYLES SNR: Once would have been enough when he hit two bikes and
buckled the wheels of two of his friends you know. I would have thought that
would have been enough to scare anybody but he then came back and ran over
my son, twice.
COULTHART: But how could the prosecution know what Hasenkamp was intending
that night when Hasenkamp has never given evidence? No court has ever got to
hear his explanation of why he did what he did that night. Yet the courts
have heard direct evidence from some of the Crown's own witnesses, who are
clear that Hasenkamp was deliberately trying to hit Errol Wyles.
COULTHART: Sunday put written questions to the Queensland Director of Public
Prosecutions, asking what evidence the Prosecution had to justify its
submission Hasenkamp was merely trying to scare Errol Wyles. The DPP told
Sunday it made that submission on all the evidence.
KEN HORLER: The way in which this investigation was conducted seems to work
on the assumption that this man was going to be charged with dangerous
driving and nothing involving the ingredients of homicide and that indicates
to me some degree of favouritism perhaps being extended towards this young
man.
COULTHART: Hasenkamp's sentencing judge also never heard evidence from Jamie
Lee Stanley, who is Errol's cousin. She claims Scott Hasenkamp is known
among Townsville's aboriginal teens as a racist - or a 'skinhead' as they're
known locally - and she says she witnessed him threatening Errol from a car
on a Townsville street.
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: He yelled out Errol's name and I said "You know him?" And
then he went "no I don't." And that's when - oh what did he say - oh "we're
going to kill all of youse. We're going to kill all you niggers, Errol."
This and that.
COULTHART: But you're saying Scott Hasenkamp said that to you from the front
seat of the car?
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: I am positive because I seen him in the car and I was
looking in the car, him in at the car.
COULTHART: She also claims that after Errol was killed, Hasenkamp boasted of
what he'd done.
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: As I was walking they yelled my name out and I was like
'oh what' and I could see who it was and then -
COULTHART: Who was it?
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: Scott.
COULTHART: Scott Hasenkamp?
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: They yelled out "We're glad we killed your little
brother" or some crap like that. Or "Your little brother's dead" just crap
like that and I was just trying to think how they knew my name which I don't
know how. And that's what he yelled out "Oh we're going to get all of youse"
. Just crap like that.
COULTHART: The Queensland Police spoke to Jamie Lee but did not take a
formal statement. eventually dismissing her evidence as 'unreliable'. They
declined to explain why this conclusion was reached.
ERROL WYLES SNR: If they would have taken Jamie Lee's statement into account
I believe this would have thrown a whole new light on to the case that he
previously threatened Errol before this happened. They simply told us that
she was not a credible witness and her statement would not be taken into
account before the case.
COULTHART: Jamie Lee thinks the police don't believe her because she didn't
report the incident when it happened.
COULTHART: Why didn't you go to Police and tell them this?
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: I don't know. I don't know why I didn't. To me I thought
because they probably wouldn't do anything about it because the coppers in
Townsville they do anything about it at all. It's been happening for ages
and nothing's ever happened. Tell the coppers the skinheads chasing you and
what do they do? They say just go home.
COULTHART: In the Townsville suburb of Rasmussen, Aboriginal kids tell
similar stories
TREVOR: We've been through this, skinheads chasing us all the time. They
started calling me black C, black everything. Then they started saying "Hit
this black bastard" whatever.
SELA: They jumped out of the car and threatened us. He said he'd go and get
his gang or something and rape us and all this.
COULTHART: He actually threatened to rape you?
SELA: Yeah
COULTHART: You sure?
SELA: Yeah.
CEDRIC BAKER: Scott Hasenkamp only got four months out of what he did I
suppose and everyone else thinks they can get away with it now. Heaps of
them are coming into it now. Even boys I went to school with are turning.
COULTHART: Did you report to Police what happened?
TREVOR: No. Not really. Nah.
COULTHART: Why not?
TREVOR: Because they don't do nothing about it. Fair enough, they ask you
for a statement but after that the file goes on a table and they just leave
it at that.
COULTHART: Since the death of Errol Wyles, Aborigines living on the
outskirts of the city in a camp called 'Happy Valley' say there's been a
surge of racist incidents.
SYVANA DOOLAN - RESIDENT: The rednecks are becoming very more bolder because
nothing has been done for that poor little boy been run over. There was a
gunshot a couple of weeks ago. So somebody's been coming around here
shooting. And this is about 2 o'clock in the morning. It's frightening. And
we can't fight back.
COULTHART: These are boom times in Townsville. And many locals do resent
what they see as an unfair national focus on its racial issues. That same
civic pride led to the recent dedication of this statue honouring the city's
founder Robert Towns. But, for Townsville's aborigines, the real story
behind Towns is the claim that he was a notorious 'blackbirder' who made his
money by kidnapping Pacific Islanders to work here.
TONY MOONEY - TOWNSVILLE MAYOR: We are a very open and tolerant community
and unfortunately for me I don't control the police or the courts so I can't
really comment on that. But we treat everyone fairly and this community has
been a very welcoming community to all types of races, be they black or
white.
COULTHART: Mayor Tony Mooney rejects suggestions Townsville has any more of
a racial problem than any other Australian city. Prior to this interview
with Mayor Mooney we told his office we'd be referring to allegations about
his own past. In 1989 the Queensland Parliament was told how when he was
Deputy Mayor he'd driven away after hitting a pedestrian. an Aboriginal man.
and that Mr Mooney smelled of alcohol after being chased and brought back to
the scene by another motorist. It was also alleged in Parliament that police
then let him go home without demanding a breath test. Tony Mooney insisted
the allegations were untrue and refused to discuss them.
COULTHART: Were you drinking?
TONY MOONEY: No, no - I am not going to go over that again.
COULTHART: Did you hit and run?
TONY MOONEY: I am interested in issues which is very important to people in
this community in 2006.
COULTHART: Why is it not relevant?
TONY MOONEY: And I want to say again that if you have serious concerns about
this community this year you then ought to get on to those concerns and put
those things to me.
COULTHART: Do you accept that there is in this community a double standard?
TONY MOONEY: No, this community is no different to every other community
around the country. There are no double standards here.
COULTHART: But like many Aborigines we spoke to, Jordan Gee-Hoy and his
brother John say there's a racial undercurrent in Townsville that few city
leaders want to acknowledge. Several months after Errol Wyles died they
claim they were assaulted by a gang of white youths. an attack they say the
police failed to properly investigate.
JORDAN GEE-HOY: It all started from the Wyles thing, you know, that sparked
it. It just lit the fuse to the bomb.
COULTHART: What, the death of Errol Wyles?
JORDAN GEE-HOY: Yeah that just started. All that one race thing you know.
And then it all started when, "Ahh, Jordan's started with a white girl."
COULTHART: Jordan Gee-Hoy is one of Australia's more promising young
indigenous boxers. And until the attack, so was his brother John. The way
they tell it, local white youths resented the fact that Jordan had a white
girlfriend.
JORDAN GEE-HOY: It all started with that white girl's going with a nigger.
'Oh what's she doing?' you know. Giving her something better than they can
give. They just couldn't hack it that a blackfella was going with a white
girl.
COULTHART: One night soon after the death of Errol Wyles, the Gee-Hoy
brothers accepted a challenge to a one-on-one fight they hoped would end the
name-calling for good. It was a set up.
JORDAN GEE-HOY: Four or five of them pile out with bats you know. They were
there for, they meant business. As I've looked this way within a second,
smack, I've been hit over the head with a bar. My own blood sprayed all over
me And as I've staggered back I've looked and just ran at them, towards the
other fella with the bat. And he just lined me up and swung it at me and as
I've ducked there's been this big 'voomph', you know like when you hear that
stick 'voom' sound?
COULTHART: If that had hit you?
JORDAN GEE-HOY: It would have killed me instantly. Instantly. Murder and
then the cops would have had to have done something. They done nothing at
the time.
COULTHART: The vehicle was then driven straight at John.
JOHN GEE-HOY: And bump, he's just came straight at me, up the gutter, and I'
ve ran back.
COULTHART: The car hit him, badly damaging his shoulder. Jordan and John
identified one of their attackers but say no arrests have ever been made.
Though there's no doubt they were expecting trouble that night the ambush
could easily have left them seriously injured, or worse. When, as Jordan and
John saw it, the police failed to investigate, they admit they were ready to
take the law into their own hands.
JORDAN GEE-HOY: We had about 20 blackfellas around there willing to kill.
Simple as that. We were getting around in carloads, five or six carloads
looking for them.
COULTHART: And they hid?
JORDAN GEE-HOY: They couldn't be found in the town. Couldn't be found in the
town.
COULTHART: Queensland Police did not respond to our written questions about
their investigation into the beating. Nor would they answer questions about
the killing of 20-year-old Aboriginal woman, Yasman Rae Sturt. She died here
after being hit by a car driven by another white driver. nineteen-year-old
Townsville motorist Michael Burke, who fled the scene. Sunday was not been
able to get an answer from Queensland Police on whether the driver was ever
asked for a breath test. But under Queensland law, the time limit allowing
Police to demand such a test is two hours. Police were only able to speak to
Burke much later. And no evidence of his being intoxicated was presented to
the court.
VICKY STURT: He thought he hit a wheelie bin. That's what he said in the
courts. Michael Burke. He said he thought he hit a wheelie bin. I told him
wheelie bins don't walk and they don't have gold hair. Common sense and
instinct would tell you that when you hit something you just automatically
stop. He panicked. He went to a mate's place, rang his father and that's
where the police had found (him).
COULTHART: Terribly injured after being dragged by Burke's car down Punari
Street, it's not known how long Yasman lay there alone. A local resident
gave her mother Vicky the statement he provided to police. It suggests Burke
may actually have stopped and driven back to look at what he'd run over. But
the court accepted Mr Burke's claim. that he never really knew what he'd
hit. and that Yasman, who'd been drinking, may already have been lying on
the road.
VICKY STURT: I believe he knew because he stopped and he went to a mate's
place or whatever. He went because he knew.a human.
COULTHART: Yasman was still alive wasn't she?
VICKY STURT: Yeah, she was still alive on the road.
COULTHART: As chance would have it, riding down the street that night, was
Jordan Gee-Hoy. He first saw a trail of Yasman's clothing and personal
possessions. It stretched nearly 100 metres.
JORDAN GEE-HOY: I looked and I just seen something mangled up like shh,
totally wrecked on the road. And I'm looking at her and praying for her and
she's like coughing, coughing and blood is spray, coming out of her mouth,
like whatever mouth she had left and choking and it's hitting me so hard, I
can remember like it happened yesterday
COULTHART: Punari Street resident Pauline Geary has a troubling account of
that night. It's one she's never told police. because she wasn't questioned
during the police doorknock that night, or since. And yet she's positive she
heard what happened to Yasman outside her home.
PAULINE GEARY: She went, it was [SCREAMS] like that, you know? But a really
high pitched scream. A proper scream
COULTHART: Then there was a thump?
PAULINE GEARY: A thump.
COULTHART: And then another thump?
PAULINE GEARY: Mmm.
COULTHART: And then after that?
PAULINE GEARY: A couple of more screams.
COULTHART: Give me the sense of those.
PAULINE GEARY: It would have been the same. A fairly long, terrified
sounding scream.
COULTHART: If you'd heard those screams from your house 20 or 30 metres
away, do you think do you think the driver of those cars would have heard
those screams?
PAULINE GEARY: I can't see how the driver of the car wouldn't have heard it.
COULTHART: It is possible the driver didn't hear the scream. Perhaps he had
his radio on. Another thing we will never know. But for failing to remain at
the scene of an accident, showing callous disregard and also driving without
due care and attention. Michael Burke received a suspended four month jail
sentence and a fine of $750.
VICKY STURT: I want justice. I need this man to be put inside because if it
was a dark man hit a white woman would that man be walking around.Really.
COULTHART: Two young aboriginal people die in horrific hit and runs. Their
parents left asking questions no parent should ever have to ask. In the case
of Errol Wyles though that might not be the end of the story. His father is
now being helped by Sydney lawyer Stewart Levitt to seek a review of the
investigation and have the man who killed his son charged with murder.
STEWART LEVITT: I think there was definitely an injustice done. I mean
justice does not only appear not have been done, it wasn't done.
COULTHART: Why?
STEWART LEVITT: Because a person lies dead, in circumstances where the full
gravity of the circumstances in which he was killed have never been tested
and never been adequately scrutinised.
ERROL WYLES SNR: You've got to understand that this has been happening to
Aboriginal people for a long, long time and if this can stop other families
going through it then for sure I will go all the way with it. If it can stop
another family going through what we've had to go through. Be that black or
white, it doesn't matter. Any family.
Neil Boss
not this one !!! I guess u will be back with froth coming from your mouth.
Looks like u lecture everyone on one law for everyone but that is not the
case here in Australia!
Neil Boss <neilbo...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:dtr7ef$kt2$1...@news-02.connect.com.au...
gonesailing_gonefishing
> The Sunday program a current affairs porgram had a feature story on the
> mistreatment of the native people of Australia. The city of Townsville on
> the mid-coast of Queensland founded by a British colonlist name Towns, the
> cities name is drived from his surname.
Wrong, fuckface. You can't even get the name right.
>
> Many native people are being denied natural justice, in fact there are many
> incidense where police have not taken action againt pigskins who have
> deliberately rundown native people and have killed them, the mayor of
> Townsville has also been accused of such a crime. Skinheads/neo-nazi gangs
> have sprung up in Townsville would have been targetting the native people
> and have told them that they will be killed. Read below for more details ..
> the PM of Australia tells the world there is no racism in Australia !!!
That's right, boong lover, read it again - THERE IS NO RACISM IN
AUSTRALIA.
Tough shit for the young blokes who converted teh boongs into road
kill. As well as having to front the court for doing a community
service they have to finance the repairs of their vehicles out fo their
own pockets.
Try driving through the night in a tropical downpour and see for
yourself how bloody difficult it is to see a staggering drunk black
skinned coon wearing dark clothing.ny family.
When will you be in North Quennsland, shit for brains? I'll keep a spot
on the bullbar ready, just for you, maggot.
Seeker
news:dtr7ef$kt2$1...@news-02.connect.com.au...
> mistreatment of the native people of Australia. The city of Townsville on
> the mid-coast of Queensland founded by a British colonlist name Towns, the
> cities name is drived from his surname.
>
> Many native people are being denied natural justice, in fact there are
> many
> incidense where police have not taken action againt pigskins who have
> deliberately rundown native people and have killed them,
How do we get the "pigskins" targeted against you. BTW, just a friendly
advice, if you find Australia so disgusting, then get the hell back to your
shithole country of India and work on improving the caste system which to
this day murders, rapes, humiliates etc etc the native people of India.
Marcus Aurelius
We have had enough of your sermonising when you hate blacks, lower
castes, nepalis, women and Hindus in general.
Here are just a few examples of what this leaker Seeker used to say,
before his sudden "conversion" to humanitarianism:
"True. Kooly just like his baap, data is a Bhangi Jamaadar."
(outcaste)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.pakistan/browse_frm/thread/b982a7da07cb3f93/8808bfd9a31eddb8?lnk=st&q=bhangi+jamaadar&rnum=2#8808bfd9a31eddb8
"Kooly, you babar ki harami aulad, tera baap & dada had their ghands
ripped
for aik hazaar and puchpan saals. Bharway suwar is more gora and more
intelligent that your gobar color brain. "
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.pakistan/browse_frm/thread/b982a7da07cb3f93/8808bfd9a31eddb8?lnk=st&q=bharway+suwar&rnum=2#8808bfd9a31eddb8
"Nice try Hindu. Try asking this of your fellow Hindu Chamar a real
machod
named Kooly." (Seeker tries to be friend of "chamars" outcastes these
days)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.visa.us/browse_frm/thread/c22a8482216c4c6a/dfb73cb7af46c309?lnk=st&q=chamar+a+real&rnum=1#dfb73cb7af46c309
Seeker changes names in a news report to malign Hindus:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/tree/browse_frm/thread/c97d31566d0b96e0/bb0558a0a24aadb0?rnum=1&q=lego&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.culture.indian%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fc97d31566d0b96e0%2Fc34ad5c42e394f3c%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dlego%26rnum%3D2%26#doc_bb0558a0a24aadb0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/tree/browse_frm/thread/c97d31566d0b96e0/bb0558a0a24aadb0?rnum=1&q=lego&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.culture.indian%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fc97d31566d0b96e0%2Fc34ad5c42e394f3c%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dlego%26rnum%3D2%26#doc_01278c2fd1d14181
"Indians are getting arrested for marrying butt-ugly Tamil girls. At
least
Pakistanis are not in the same boat. "
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.pakistan/browse_frm/thread/42d49cf4875e16e0/babb95b30839c805?lnk=st&q=butt-ugly+tamil&rnum=2#babb95b30839c805
"He can't help the fact that all Hindnis are whores who crave sulla ka
lulla. "
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.pakistan/browse_frm/thread/ad1d58244346c1bc/947362d22189ab21?lnk=st&q=hindnis+are+whores&rnum=1#947362d22189ab21
"Nepali girls are sooooooooooooo ugly. It boggles my mind that anybody
would
pay to have sex with the ugly bitches."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.nepal/browse_frm/thread/85256dd1225f8658/b1b184c62b1515a4?lnk=st&q=girls+are+ugly+pay+sex&rnum=1#b1b184c62b1515a4
"Hindu women are so ugly that ....."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.bangladesh/browse_frm/thread/46d8f9e2c95e1b6c/f88f35388533548d?lnk=st&q=hindu+women+are+so+ugly+that&rnum=1#f88f35388533548d
"Since Iranis are borned from the butthole, they only have fat Iranian
buttholes. This is why they are fags.
Fuck Iranians. Why? Because everyone else does."
"That is what ugly Napali bitches do. They are so ugly that they get
fucked
in the ass all the time and also because their kala phudda [black
genitals - Adi] is wide enough to
park a Pakistani Al-Khalid tank. "
Now, what does this bangladeshi "seeker" have against "black" genitals
on women?
Why does he consider all Nepali women "bitches"?
Why does he pretend to respect women and at the same time consider
kukuran - with all its misogynistic commandments - a world of his god
allah?
How long will you hide behind a facade of words that do not tell of
your real beliefs, leaker?
Adi Anant
artie morty
>How do we get the "pigskins" targeted against you. BTW, just a friendly
>advice, if you find Australia so disgusting, then get the hell back to your
>shithole country of India and work on improving the caste system which to
>this day murders, rapes, humiliates etc etc the native people of India.
>
snip
Been telling him that - but he won't go. I think he likes us after
all.
We have you been Seeker - last heard from you before Christmas?
Artie...
Seeker
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>
>>How do we get the "pigskins" targeted against you. BTW, just a friendly
>>advice, if you find Australia so disgusting, then get the hell back to
>>your
>>shithole country of India and work on improving the caste system which to
>>this day murders, rapes, humiliates etc etc the native people of India.
>>
>
> snip
>
> Been telling him that - but he won't go. I think he likes us after
> all.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion so fast. Just a couple days ago, Neil was
praising Osama Bin Laden. People like Neil are not interested in the
betterment of the societies they live in, he just wants to create mischief
just for the fun of getting people all riled up.
With his remarks about Osama Bin Laden, I am starting to wonder if he really
is who he claims to be. I am not sure what your version of the FBI is in
Australia, but I sure hope they investigate Neil.
> We have you been Seeker - last heard from you before Christmas?
Thanks for asking Artie. I had to travel for work and then didn't have time
to post here for a couple weeks after that, but I have been posting here for
a month now.
I trust you had a nice x-mas with your family.
>
> Artie...
>
DarkFire
> >How do we get the "pigskins" targeted against you. BTW, just a friendly
> >advice, if you find Australia so disgusting, then get the hell back to your
> >shithole country of India and work on improving the caste system which to
> >this day murders, rapes, humiliates etc etc the native people of India.
> Been telling him that - but he won't go. I think he likes us after
> all.
>
> We have you been Seeker - last heard from you before Christmas?
--------------------------------
Kind of funny to watch you two holding each other's d.cks, when Seeker
happens to be an extremist Muslim who will probably slit an Australian
throat with glee, if one like you ever happens to be in Arabia/Pakistan
without the backup of at least a platoon of US marines in Bradley APVs,
and a dozen Apache gunships to guard your Aussie ass.
And you ask him about Christmas???? This is one for the books!!
--------------------------------
>
> Artie...
Neil Boss
term and u know that. The native people hate that term. I am keeping all
your reply just shows how bad u are. I have lived in the Tropics idiot in
Africa and I know u have to be careful driving or fucking racist to kill
"blacks". You fucking racist bastard.
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Neil Boss
are turning towards Islam to help them? Before you let these people off the
hook idiot you should know that Lebanese and Aboriginals get on very well in
jail as they find as a group they can help each other. The jail bit is not
ment to be offensive but thats where the two groups gain respect for one
another and discuss ways to help each other.
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Neil Boss
stupid that he hates Hindus so much that he is there to take the Aboriginals
down too. And he tells us Islam is for justice we can see what kind.
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they get.
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Hunter1 speaks of 1 law for everyone and you can see that is not the case.
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gonesailing_gonefishing
Neil Boss wrote:
> Well I like your reply ... show what I ment ... boong lover is a ver racist
> term and u know that.
yep, that's you, boong lover. Although how you could "love" a boong in
the human sense is something I just can't come at.
The native people hate that term.
How many boongs do you actually know, boong lover?
I am keeping all
> your reply
Keep all of them, shit for brains, put them in a bottle and use them
for an enema to flush the boong loving shit out of your guts.
just shows how bad u are. I have lived in the Tropics idiot in
> Africa
.Africoonia, you illiterate ponce, is NOT Australia. Your alleged
africoonian tales of mating with fat stinking nigger sows are
unwanted.
and I know u have to be careful driving or fucking racist to kill
> "blacks". You fucking racist bastard.
If you don't like the way we do things in Australia, you ignorant
foreign nigger fucker, kindly piss off back to Africoonia.
Your boong loving opinion counts for fuck all in Australia.
artie morty
We're not actually holding each others dicks - so don't get too carried
away.
I only know the man through one conversation we have had - and that was
actually quite enlightening.
I have no idea if Seeker would try to slit my throat if he had the
chance - I'll ask him. But if he did, he must be pretty tough if it
would take a platoon of US marines in Bradley APVs, and a dozen Apache
gunships to protect me.
I don't have a problem with people being civil to me, as Seeker was
when he asked if I had a nice Xmas - just before we had a pretty heated
discussion on some issue about race riots in Oz. Neither of us agreed
with each other, but I think we both came out of it with a couple of
new points of view.
That's what I love about usenet (finding out others point of view
without the risk of being beaten up) and I certainly don't mind showing
civility in return.
Besides - it seems we both think Neil Boss is a fucking dickhead - and
you can't argue with that!
Artie...
Neil Boss
quite now. So you hate Afircans and anyone who is not a pigskin colour. Not
doubt you want a "pigskin" Only policy for immigration.
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Hunter01
Australian has he??? Hahahahaha, fuck he really is loosing it! :)
Hunter01
>
> Besides - it seems we both think Neil Boss is a fucking dickhead - and
> you can't argue with that!
The only people that seem to think otherwise are other hindutva
shit-heels like doc jai and harmony and... Well lets wait and see huh?
Hunter01
> Kind of funny to watch you two holding each other's d.cks
Nelly, harmony and doc jai have been doing that for years. It's the
hindutva way! Have you only just noticed that?
Hunter01
> You fucking racist bastard.
Coming from you that's a joke. Or have you forgotten your track record?
Nelly's views on Asians:
"Chinese slant eyes bastard you know all about licking your own arse,
don't expect others to lower themselves to your level!"
"That's why the Nazi Muslims are friends with the Nazi Chinese!"
Nelly's views on Negroes:
"The black niggers bought AIDS into this world ... they were found
fucking apes ... one of those apes is you mama!"
"Your problem is you are not happy with your black past! Mr. Ape."
"Nigger mind go black home everything will be all white !
What some guys standing in the shade! I know you are an ape but this
tops it all ... the nigger is always looking to find new niggers."
"It has turned nasty because the nigger has been very racist towards
Indians not only that he makes the same remarks about Indian women,
white, etc... but not about his ugly black mama's. He deserves what he
gets."
"Nigger as we have said we are not black ... nor do we have rubber lips
like you mom."
"Shutup you liar .. bloody black slave Muslim."
"Nigger try to write something that people can make sense of ... what
are you say?"
"He is a black nigger and very typical of what niggers are like in
America,England, etc..."
"but if you do attack an Indian then I hope I can find a nigger here to
kick their head in."
"Nigger fuck off!"
"now fuck off nigger!"
"You know this guy tries his hardest to define most of the world as
"black"/niggers like himself ..."
"stop playing the sorry arse black African nigger!"
Nelly's views on Muslims:
"I cheer on anyone who opposes Muslim scum"
"The 1 billion plus Muslim scum can not even help their own but have to
beg the Kaffirs and Infidels for help. Islam fucks up people and is a
faith based upon Satanic rituals."
"Kill on sight is a good policy ... Muslims have to be eradicated. "
"Exactly! Shoot the Muslim bastards and help the Hindus"
"People know in this NG I dislike Muslim scum"
Nelly's views on Australia:
"Wanker I like the way he tells Aussies to fuck off."
"Just don't worry it is nice to see a head kicked in ... especially an
Aussie"
"Soon I will be going over to watch the Test Match in Mumbai and I am
going to take great pleasure of kicking a few Aussie heads in .."
"How sad these Aussies are such low lifes!"
"Aussies are racist and living in the wrong region too. Fuck off back to
Europe ..."
Hunter01
> The Sunday program a current affairs porgram had a feature story on the
> mistreatment of the native people of Australia.
There are no native people left in Australia, the so-called Aborigine
invaders knocked them all off.
> The city of Townsville on
> the mid-coast of Queensland founded by a British colonlist name Towns, the
> cities name is drived from his surname.
>
> Many native people are being denied natural justice, in fact there are many
> incidense where police have not taken action againt pigskins who have
> deliberately rundown native people and have killed them, the mayor of
> Townsville has also been accused of such a crime.
Ummmm, sorry nelly. That's a problem across the board in Australia that
I've highlighted many times, race has nothing to do with it. EVERYONE
gets off lightly for most types of crime in Australia. There is an
Aborigine lad in Perth who had been up on OVER 200 CHARGES and was still
walking the streets freely when he crashed a stolen car into Margaret
Blurton and killed her and her baby son, and her unborn son. AND HE GOT
YET ANOTHER LENIENT SENTENCE AND HAS OFFENDED AGAIN MANY TIMES AFTER
MURDERING THIS FAMILY. Juveniles always get let off lightly in
Australia, Black or White. This isn't India as much as you like to
accuse us of being that style of bigoted nation, we're just too weak in
our sentencing, as you well know or else you'd be in jail now.
> Skinheads/neo-nazi gangs
> have sprung up in Townsville would have been targetting the native people
> and have told them that they will be killed. Read below for more details ..
A couple of skinheads is nothing like skinhead gangs nelly. You're
confusing Australia with India again, your friends in the Saffron
Brigade running around murdering anything that is not Indian Hindu in
India is nothing to do with Australia I'm afraid, stop trying to throw
your guilt at other people.
> the PM of Australia tells the world there is no racism in Australia !!!
No he doesn't liar, he says there is very little racism in Australia,
and if you look at places like India for a comparison, he's dead fucking
right!!!!!!!
>
> http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1938.asp
And unfortunately the media publicity will probably do nothing to
stiffen the sentences of these crims, it did nothing to stiffen the
sentence of the Aborigine that murdered a woman and her child, and
nothing to stiffen the sentences of a pair of Aborigine paedophiles in
the NT.
Now if you want to see some REAL bigotry by the courts and the police of
a country, want me to start digging up the multitude of articles on the
farce of the trials in INDIA based around the atrocities in Gujarat,
where your previous government attempted to kiss the arse of terrorists
and murderers and let them all go free???
I'd do it now, but I've got to go to work (novel concept nelly, you
should try it someday instead of being a parasite), but I'd be more than
happy to show you what an idiot you are later if you'd like?
artie morty
wrote:
Hey mate, have you ever noticed its quite hard to be nice to anyone on
this group without getting your balls busted.
And when you do, you get accused of dick holding.
Seems it's safer to your reputation to be a bastard and abuse
everyone.
What a laugh!
Artie...
gonesailing_gonefishing
Neil Boss wrote:
> Thats ...<boong loving rant deleted>
Don't know if you know this, boong fucker, but pigs have skin that
varies in colour from white through bown to black and any combination
of the above.
Never mind, boong lover, you have once again demonstrated that boong
lovers are ignorant fuckwits. Thanks for playing the game.
Hunter01
> So you hate Afircans
But what have you said about African's as a representative of India's
hindutva movement nelly? All of the following:
Hunter01
> Hunter1 speaks of 1 law for everyone and you can see that is not the case.
It is much more so than in the bigoted nation of India. Would you like
to show us an example of how it isn't??? Considering I've already
flushed this one where it belongs how about you try again?
Hunter01
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:57:34 +0800, Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>> DarkFire wrote:
>>> Kind of funny to watch you two holding each other's d.cks
>>
>> Nelly, harmony and doc jai have been doing that for years. It's the
>> hindutva way! Have you only just noticed that?
>
> Hey mate, have you ever noticed its quite hard to be nice to anyone on
> this group without getting your balls busted.
That is true, I actually tried to be civil with nelly at the beginning
when he first reared his ugly head in SCA, but after painstaking efforts
to get some civilised sense out of him it became quite apparent he was
nothing more than a gutter-monkey missing link piece of shit (oh dear,
am I being rude?) and now I treat him as such. Our biggest problem is
India had the common-sense to give him the boot, but we're so fucking
stupid we let him in!!! Alright India! The laughs on us! Can you fucking
take him back now!!!!!!
On the other hand I'm pretty sure that when me and Rifty first met up
(don't think it was here, think it was in aus.computers) we were
slinging daggers at each other (probly my fault, usually is), but
generally seem to get along now even if we quite often don't agree. I
think LDL and myself were much the same much longer back. I think I've
generally gotten along with you despite one case of mistaken identity
where I had a go when the Corby shit was going on before I realised it
were you, and some of my best altercations have been with the old Rod,
but strangely in my old age have come to recognise he's a good old
bastard, knows how to celebrate a good Xmas, and gives me a good laugh
when he gets the faint-hearted all wound-up! Amazing how things work out
huh?
At the end of the day everyone's got their own views on shit, and
sometimes it's easy to get worked up about things (especially when
you're a drunken bastard like me). The proof of the pudding though is
the long-term attitude. People get to know each other over time (even in
usenet), and when you see someone constantly being an evil fuck that
you'd happily do away with for fear of what they are capable of, but
perhaps I say too much.... 8] (or perhaps just enough as karma would
have it, but then I'm just raving like a drunk... why would nelly...
well... lets play a bit more later!)
> And when you do, you get accused of dick holding.
By an expert on the subject.. I'd be more worried about nelly, he's
already admitted to running a business in Goa.
> Seems it's safer to your reputation to be a bastard and abuse
> everyone.
>
> What a laugh!
Your reps safe, this is usenet. Even if it wasn't who would ever listen
to the lone loon screaming from the corner? Pity maybe.... Listen no....
Hunter01
> Now thats interesting coming from a Muslim !!! Did u know lots of Natives
> are turning towards Islam to help them? Before you let these people off the
> hook idiot you should know that Lebanese and Aboriginals get on very well in
> jail
Tell the whole story nelly. Apparently hindutva lawyers flooded from
India to defend the two Aboriginal paedophiles in the NT that got off
lightly not that long ago when everyone else shunned them for what they
did to children, telling them to convert to hindutva and be sponsored to
open up shop in Goa. Apparently they epitomise your way of life.
Neil Boss
is good according to you. Not to mention that you celebrate nazi herso like
Towns after whome Townsville has been named.
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killing the natives. Even the Mayor was involved in running down an
Abriginal
COULTHART: Mayor Tony Mooney rejects suggestions Townsville has any more of
a racial problem than any other Australian city. Prior to this interview
with Mayor Mooney we told his office we'd be referring to allegations about
his own past. In 1989 the Queensland Parliament was told how when he was
Deputy Mayor he'd driven away after hitting a pedestrian. an Aboriginal man.
and that Mr Mooney smelled of alcohol after being chased and brought back to
the scene by another motorist. It was also alleged in Parliament that police
then let him go home without demanding a breath test. Tony Mooney insisted
the allegations were untrue and refused to discuss them.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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The Sunday program a current affairs porgram had a feature story on the
mistreatment of the native people of Australia. The city of Townsville on
the mid-coast of Queensland founded by a British colonlist name Towns, the
cities name is drived from his surname.
Many native people are being denied natural justice, in fact there are many
incidense where police have not taken action againt pigskins who have
deliberately rundown native people and have killed them, the mayor of
Townsville has also been accused of such a crime. Skinheads/neo-nazi gangs
have sprung up in Townsville would have been targetting the native people
and have told them that they will be killed. Read below for more details ..
the PM of Australia tells the world there is no racism in Australia !!!
http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1938.asp
TRANSCRIPT
JOHN BROOKS: Yeah.
LINDA DAVIS: Mmm
ERROL WYLES SNR: Exactly.
COULTHART: Who was it?
JAMIE LEE STANLEY: Scott.
COULTHART: Scott Hasenkamp?
SELA: Yeah
COULTHART: You sure?
SELA: Yeah.
COULTHART: Why not?
COULTHART: Were you drinking?
COULTHART: And they hid?
PAULINE GEARY: A thump.
PAULINE GEARY: Mmm.
away, do you think do you think the driver of those cars would have heard
Neil Boss
like when you said I was a liar regarding the treatment of the natives, not
unable to face the truth you make such remarks. You are the lowest scyumb in
this world.
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Cunter to remind you this topic is about Australian Nazi who have been
killing the natives. Even the Mayor was involved in running down an
Abriginal
COULTHART: Mayor Tony Mooney rejects suggestions Townsville has any more of
a racial problem than any other Australian city. Prior to this interview
with Mayor Mooney we told his office we'd be referring to allegations about
his own past. In 1989 the Queensland Parliament was told how when he was
Deputy Mayor he'd driven away after hitting a pedestrian. an Aboriginal man.
and that Mr Mooney smelled of alcohol after being chased and brought back to
the scene by another motorist. It was also alleged in Parliament that police
then let him go home without demanding a breath test. Tony Mooney insisted
the allegations were untrue and refused to discuss them.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Neil Boss
Neil Boss
who married and had kids with a native vary in colour. Are you stupid?
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gonesailing_gonefishing
Neil Boss wrote:
> I certainly know ... <pointless boong lover rant deleted>
Actually, boong lover, you don't know shit.
Rifty
> On the other hand I'm pretty sure that when me and Rifty first met up
> (don't think it was here, think it was in aus.computers) we were
> slinging daggers at each other (probly my fault, usually is), but
> generally seem to get along now even if we quite often don't agree.
Yeah it was always your fault - you just couldn't get your politics
right (or maybe left....enough...!) :)
Rifty
PS Re your traffic matter: my beloved is a lawyer who handles these
cases daily - in NSW it stays on your record for 5 years as a conviction
but I think you have to be clear completely of any offences of that
nature for that period or they'll come back to haunt you. Your .149 was
very lucky indeed - .001 more and (in NSW) you would have been done for
high range PCA, and that's not a good place to be in.
Believe me, the taxi IS a good option at times. If you run over someone,
apart from having that on your conscience, not even a lawyer as good as
she is could save you from being a guest of Her Majesty. (But I recall
you said that was quite a while ago, so I'll get off the soapbox...)
--
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http://rifty.net
artie...@yahoo.com.au
snip
>I think I've generally gotten along with you despite one case of mistaken identity
> where I had a go when the Corby shit was going on before I realised it were you.
snip
A case of my emotions overcoming judgement. Not one of my better posts,
but hey, we're all only human.
Still have my doubts about that one, though.
Atrie...
DarkFire1
> DarkFire wrote:
> > artie morty wrote:
> > > >How do we get the "pigskins" targeted against you. BTW, just a friendly
> > > >advice, if you find Australia so disgusting, then get the hell back to your
> > > >shithole country of India and work on improving the caste system which to
> > > >this day murders, rapes, humiliates etc etc the native people of India.
> > > Been telling him that - but he won't go. I think he likes us after
> > > all.
> > > We have you been Seeker - last heard from you before Christmas?
> > happens to be an extremist Muslim who will probably slit an Australian
> > throat with glee, if one like you ever happens to be in Arabia/Pakistan
> > without the backup of at least a platoon of US marines in Bradley APVs,
> > and a dozen Apache gunships to guard your Aussie ass.
> > And you ask him about Christmas???? This is one for the books!!
> away.
> I only know the man through one conversation we have had - and that was
> actually quite enlightening.
> I have no idea if Seeker would try to slit my throat if he had the
> chance - I'll ask him. But if he did, he must be pretty tough if it
> would take a platoon of US marines in Bradley APVs, and a dozen Apache
> gunships to protect me.
Oh, not him alone, but him and his army; They go with constantly
differing names (on an hourly basis) from "Pakistan army" to "Al'Qaeda"
to "Taliban" to "Jamaat-i-Islami" to " "Lashkar-e-Toiba" to
"Jaish-e-Mohammed" to "Inter Services Intelligence" to "Hamas" to
"Saudi Arabian Govt" to "Egyptian Govt" to "Al Jihad", etc, etc, etc,
etc. (And they are also all backed by the Chinese govt, who will also
throw in a few nukes free of cost)
Remember, he and his Pak Govt/ISI/Taliban/Al'Qaeda/Arab Govt/etc
buddies are all using APVs, Apaches, Stingers, etc supplied by US too.
Oh, did I mention that Australian troops might have also been involved
in training them at one time? So, its a pretty good bet that unless you
also have what they have (which US gave them), you could run into a
spot of problem...
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=130153
(I can give you a lot more links on the relationship between China,
nukes, Islamic terror groups, Pakistan govt, Saudi Arabia govt, Egypt
govt, Al'Qaeda, Taliban etc, etc if you like...)
--------------------------------------------
> I don't have a problem with people being civil to me, as Seeker was
> when he asked if I had a nice Xmas - just before we had a pretty heated
> discussion on some issue about race riots in Oz. Neither of us agreed
> with each other, but I think we both came out of it with a couple of
> new points of view.
> That's what I love about usenet (finding out others point of view
> without the risk of being beaten up) and I certainly don't mind showing
> civility in return.
> Besides - it seems we both think Neil Boss is a fucking dickhead - and
> you can't argue with that!
--------------------------------------------
Seeker also thinks it is a good idea to establish a global Islamic rule
(i.e. a global Islamic Caliphate, where you pay a special tax for not
being a Muslim). I am sure you agree with him on that too?
--------------------------------------------
>
> Artie...
Neil Boss
gonesailing_gonefishing <gonesailing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Neil Boss
terms they deserve to be reminded of what they are agreeing to.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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gonesailing_gonefishing
Neil Boss wrote:
> I know alot more then you.
So, boong lover, you know "alot"(SIC) more than me, do you? Look that
word up in the dictinary, you illiterate turd, and tell us the meaning.
Do I know you?
No, boong fucker, you do not know me, nor do you want to know me.
Actually, I owuld like to meet you one night, and I will introduce you
to my favourite coon hunting calibre.
Hunter1 is claiming I do.
Hunter is your boong boyfriend, and like you, he doesn't know shit from
sugar.
Hunter01
> When you are caught with your pants down you make false allegations.
No nelly, you've done this before. Would you like me to make a yahoo
account and play hindutva??? Sorry, I'm not as duplicitous as you....
> Just
> like when you said I was a liar regarding the treatment of the natives,
You are a liar in regards to that, just as you are in relation to the
treatment of the natives of India, the Dalits of India and the refugees
that are ripped off and tortured in India.
> not
> unable to face the truth
Exactly, but you are.
> you make such remarks. You are the lowest scyumb in
> this world.
What's a scyumb??? Is that someone who laughs at subhuman nazis like
yourself??? If so you're dead fucking right!
Hunter01
> If Africans who call themselves black want to be associated with pigskin
> terms they deserve to be reminded of what they are agreeing to.
Like I keep asking you and like you keep running away from, how many of
them called themselves niggers before you called them niggers, I checked
the threads and I don't see them doing that, or even calling themselves
black in most cases, the only thing they've done is identify themselves
as Africans. YOU gave them the labels, so stop trying to lie your way
out of your Indian hindutva bigotry. It's fucking pathetic.
Hunter01
> Cunter to remind you this topic is about Australian Nazi
Hunter01
> Is it Cunter? Over 200 years of killing natives and still ripping them off
> is good according to you.
Not really, I think what you did before you fled your country sucks, and
it's much more than 200 years actually that you Brahmin Aryans have been
murdering Dravidian Dalits in India. Luckily most of your country is
growing up, you're just a throwback. Now did you actually have a point?
Hunter01
> Cunter to remind you this topic is about Australian Nazi
Coming from you that's a joke. Or have you forgotten your track record?
Hunter01
> Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> On the other hand I'm pretty sure that when me and Rifty first met up
>> (don't think it was here, think it was in aus.computers) we were
>> slinging daggers at each other (probly my fault, usually is), but
>> generally seem to get along now even if we quite often don't agree.
>
> Yeah it was always your fault - you just couldn't get your politics
> right (or maybe left....enough...!) :)
I dunno, I give an inch and you take a keg!!!!!! 8]
> Rifty
>
> PS Re your traffic matter: my beloved is a lawyer who handles these
> cases daily - in NSW it stays on your record for 5 years as a conviction
> but I think you have to be clear completely of any offences of that
> nature for that period or they'll come back to haunt you.
Legally in WA the points are recovered within 3 years of loss on an
incident by incident basis. That part don't worry me, I got plenty to
spare, it's the insurance and excess part that worries me, especially
since I'm now paying off a car I can barely afford as it is. Shit
happens though, not wise to live above your means when you have
extremely high costs involving get shitfaced on a regular basis (mostly
without a car these days!) 8]
> Your .149 was
> very lucky indeed - .001 more and (in NSW) you would have been done for
> high range PCA, and that's not a good place to be in.
Much the same here, .001 more and I'd have been out of traffic offence
land and into criminal charge land. Not somewhere I haven't been before,
but would've been the first time I'd been there since I "grew up" back
in '95ish (and even back then it was generally just my big mouth and
cops with inferiority complexes leading to disorderly conduct charges ad
nauseum).
> Believe me, the taxi IS a good option at times.
Don't worry, besides one or two (actually probly 9 or 10, but never
anything like that again) aberrations I've been a tad more careful since
then. I wasn't permanent when that came up, and my job has a license as
a requirement, dunno how I would've gone or where I'd be now if I hadn't
gotten the extraordinary considering the permanency came up for
advertisement whilst I was under suspension. Then again knowing my boss
it wouldn't have made a difference, we both come from the same drunken
bastard world, and it's all about what you can do, not what you are to
both him and me. I was lucky in that respect, and I pass that on to them
I supervise.
> If you run over someone,
> apart from having that on your conscience, not even a lawyer as good as
> she is could save you from being a guest of Her Majesty. (But I recall
> you said that was quite a while ago, so I'll get off the soapbox...)
Never had a license til I was 29ish, always worked in the bush before
then so didn't need one. Just had a second childhood after I got one.
And don't think the "maybes" didn't come to mind afterwards, they did.
Never happened though, I was lucky where a few just like me weren't.
Very few people out there have never done it, but if something like that
had happened I would've deserved every fucking thing that happened to
me. Like I say, I was lucky. BTW, remind me if I ever need a good lawyer
to get in contact with your other half, sounds like she knows her shit! :)
But don't worry, if it was for something like that I wouldn't bother,
I'd represent myself and fry, cos I'd deserve it.
Hunter01
> snip
>
>> I think I've generally gotten along with you despite one case of mistaken identity
>> where I had a go when the Corby shit was going on before I realised it were you.
>
> but hey, we're all only human.
And a case of my drunkenness overcoming vision, I bit hard before I
realised it was you. I've become accustomed to too many arseholes in
these newsgroups and sometimes bite before thinking or realising that
what is being said despite not something I agree with was never worded
in an abusive way (regardless of the fact I already knew you or not) so
when I throw a tirade back I tend to make a hypocrite of myself
considering I criticise others for doing the same, apologies again for
that one.
> Still have my doubts about that one, though.
Each to their own, you acknowledged the similarities with the Honda case
and that was all I was really saying (even if in a rather nasty way).
I'm not saying what happened to Corby was right (far from it considering
I don't think people should be locked up for drugs), I just think we've
done the same in Oz so would be hypocrites to criticise other countries
for the same.
Then again a lot more has come to light since our last convo on that
against Corby... But lets leave that one... 8]
Hunter01
> Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4404df31$1$30874$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Cunter to remind you this topic is about Australian Nazi
Coming from you that's a joke. Or have you forgotten your track record?
Hunter01
> Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:44038e9a$0$30901$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Cunter to remind you this topic is about Australian Nazi
Coming from you that's a joke. Or have you forgotten your track record?
Rifty
> Rifty wrote:
> > Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> On the other hand I'm pretty sure that when me and Rifty first met up
> >> (don't think it was here, think it was in aus.computers) we were
> >> slinging daggers at each other (probly my fault, usually is), but
> >> generally seem to get along now even if we quite often don't agree.
> >
> > Yeah it was always your fault - you just couldn't get your politics
> > right (or maybe left....enough...!) :)
>
>
> I dunno, I give an inch and you take a keg!!!!!! 8]
Heh heh... I was going to be magnanimous about it but then I thought
Nahhh ... it's Hunter... what the hell... payback for making me have to
*think* when I responded to your raves.
> > PS Re your traffic matter: my beloved is a lawyer who handles these
> > cases daily - in NSW it stays on your record for 5 years as a conviction
> > but I think you have to be clear completely of any offences of that
> > nature for that period or they'll come back to haunt you.
>
>
> Legally in WA the points are recovered within 3 years of loss on an
> incident by incident basis. That part don't worry me, I got plenty to
> spare, it's the insurance and excess part that worries me, especially
> since I'm now paying off a car I can barely afford as it is. Shit
> happens though, not wise to live above your means when you have
> extremely high costs involving get shitfaced on a regular basis (mostly
> without a car these days!) 8]
If it becomes a criminal matter then your whole history is reviewed and
available to the magistrate and police prosecutor of course, no matter
how far back, so you are being wise to steer clear of trouble these
days.
>
> > Your .149 was
> > very lucky indeed - .001 more and (in NSW) you would have been done for
> > high range PCA, and that's not a good place to be in.
>
>
> Much the same here, .001 more and I'd have been out of traffic offence
> land and into criminal charge land. Not somewhere I haven't been before,
> but would've been the first time I'd been there since I "grew up" back
> in '95ish (and even back then it was generally just my big mouth and
> cops with inferiority complexes leading to disorderly conduct charges ad
> nauseum).
Well, if you stay out of trouble for more than 5 years then old offences
don't really count - for the most part anyway.
> Never had a license til I was 29ish, always worked in the bush before
> then so didn't need one. Just had a second childhood after I got one.
> And don't think the "maybes" didn't come to mind afterwards, they did.
> Never happened though, I was lucky where a few just like me weren't.
> Very few people out there have never done it, but if something like that
> had happened I would've deserved every fucking thing that happened to
> me. Like I say, I was lucky. BTW, remind me if I ever need a good lawyer
> to get in contact with your other half, sounds like she knows her shit! :)
She seems to have managed to have kept a lot of respectable criminals
out of jail.... :) (Actually, she's kept a lot of kids out of jail who
would have been well trained in criminal behaviour while there if they'd
gone down.)
> But don't worry, if it was for something like that I wouldn't bother,
> I'd represent myself and fry, cos I'd deserve it.
Let him who is without sin....there but the grace of God... and all
that. Who hasn't done stupid things in their lifetime? Most of us are
just lucky they didn't turn into something that could ruin other
people's lives - and our own.
Rifty
Chairman Mao
Farewell, multiculturalism. A cartoon backlash is pushing Europe to
insist upon its values.
By Stefan Theil
Newsweek International
March 6, 2006 issue - The world has long looked upon the Dutch as the
very model of a modern, multicultural society. Open and liberal, the
tiny seagoing nation that invented the globalized economy in the 1600s
prided itself on a history of taking in all comers, be they Indonesian
or Turkish, African or Chinese.
How different things look today. Dutch borders have been virtually shut.
New immigration is down to a trickle. The great cosmopolitan port city
of Rotterdam just published a code of conduct requiring Dutch be spoken
in public. Parliament recently legislated a countrywide ban on wearing
the burqa in public. And listen to a prominent Dutch establishment
figure describe the new Dutch Way with immigrants. "We demand a new
social contract," says Jan Wolter Wabeke, High Court Judge in The Hague.
"We no longer accept that people don't learn our language, we require
that they send their daughters to school, and we demand they stop
bringing in young brides from the desert and locking them up in
third-floor apartments."
What's going on here? Weren't the Dutch supposed to be the nicest people
on earth, the most tolerant nation in Europe, a melting pot for
minorities and immigrants since the Renaissance? No longer, and in this
the Dutch are once again at the forefront of changes in Europe. This
time, the Dutch model for Europe is one of multiculturalism besieged, if
not plain defunct.
This helps explain Europe's unusually robust reaction to the cartoon
crisis, which continued last week with riots in Nigeria and Pakistan
that have left over 100 dead. There were apologies, to be sure, for
causing offense after a small Danish paper published a dozen cartoons of
the Prophet Muhammad. But on one point European leaders were united and
bluntly clear: they would not tolerate any limits on European
newspapers' rights to publish. "Freedom of speech is not up for
negotiation," declared Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, summing
up a consensus that has only grown stronger as the cries of outrage from
the Muslim world grow louder.
Welcome to the end of tolerance, or at least to the nonnegotiable limits
to what Europeans will tolerate. Whether it's the Netherlands'
rediscovery of Dutch communal values, or the universal affirmations of
free speech (to mock religion, or anything else), Europe is everywhere
on the defensive. After decades of relatively unfettered immigration and
cultural laissez faire when it came to accepting people of differing
values and social mores, there are signs that a potentially ugly
backlash is setting in. Even before Jyllands Posten published the
cartoons last fall, Denmark's Minister of Cultural Affairs Brian
Mikkelsen said, "We have gone to war against the multicultural ideology
that says that everything is equally valid." These days, he speaks for
most Europeans. Danes, and Dutch, and a few other countries might be
well on their way to creating multiethnic societies. But make no
mistake: they're no longer willing to tolerate a European melting pot-a
broadly multicultural society-where different cultures live by widely
different norms.
"Hunter01" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Neil Boss wrote:
>> The Sunday program a current affairs porgram had a feature story on the
>> mistreatment of the native people of Australia.
>
>
> There are no native people left in Australia, the so-called Aborigine
> invaders knocked them all off.
>
>
>> The city of Townsville on
>> the mid-coast of Queensland founded by a British colonlist name Towns,
>> the
>> cities name is drived from his surname.
>>
>> Many native people are being denied natural justice, in fact there are
>> many
>> incidense where police have not taken action againt pigskins who have
>> deliberately rundown native people and have killed them, the mayor of
>> Townsville has also been accused of such a crime.
>
>
> Ummmm, sorry nelly. That's a problem across the board in Australia that
> I've highlighted many times, race has nothing to do with it. EVERYONE gets
> off lightly for most types of crime in Australia. There is an Aborigine
> lad in Perth who had been up on OVER 200 CHARGES and was still walking the
> streets freely when he crashed a stolen car into Margaret Blurton and
> killed her and her baby son, and her unborn son. AND HE GOT YET ANOTHER
> LENIENT SENTENCE AND HAS OFFENDED AGAIN MANY TIMES AFTER MURDERING THIS
> FAMILY. Juveniles always get let off lightly in Australia, Black or White.
> This isn't India as much as you like to accuse us of being that style of
> bigoted nation, we're just too weak in our sentencing, as you well know or
> else you'd be in jail now.
>
>
>> Skinheads/neo-nazi gangs
>> have sprung up in Townsville would have been targetting the native people
>> and have told them that they will be killed. Read below for more details
>> ..
>
>
> A couple of skinheads is nothing like skinhead gangs nelly. You're
> confusing Australia with India again, your friends in the Saffron Brigade
> running around murdering anything that is not Indian Hindu in India is
> nothing to do with Australia I'm afraid, stop trying to throw your guilt
> at other people.
>
>
>> the PM of Australia tells the world there is no racism in Australia !!!
>
>
> No he doesn't liar, he says there is very little racism in Australia, and
> if you look at places like India for a comparison, he's dead fucking
> right!!!!!!!
>
>>
>> http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1938.asp
>
>
> And unfortunately the media publicity will probably do nothing to stiffen
> the sentences of these crims, it did nothing to stiffen the sentence of
> the Aborigine that murdered a woman and her child, and nothing to stiffen
> the sentences of a pair of Aborigine paedophiles in the NT.
>
> Now if you want to see some REAL bigotry by the courts and the police of a
> country, want me to start digging up the multitude of articles on the
> farce of the trials in INDIA based around the atrocities in Gujarat, where
> your previous government attempted to kiss the arse of terrorists and
> murderers and let them all go free???
>
> I'd do it now, but I've got to go to work (novel concept nelly, you should
> try it someday instead of being a parasite), but I'd be more than happy to
> show you what an idiot you are later if you'd like?
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Dave Baker
>they're no longer willing to tolerate a European melting pot-a
>broadly multicultural society-where different cultures live by widely
>different norms.
Where those different norms include thinking it's ok to burn embassies, it
seems to me like a good idea to filter out that element. Melting pots have
always had certain rules - show me melting pots that don't lock up murderers
and arsonists.
Dave
Seeker
news:cojf02hmdefc18adi...@4ax.com...
If clerics are getting arrested for their inflammatory speeches in Europe,
then there is no such thing as freedom of speech and no valid defense of it
by the Dutch (or Danes or whatever they are called. Sorry, I get confused
between the two).
>
> Dave
Dave Baker
<4not_listed_due_t...@dont.reply> wrote:
>If clerics are getting arrested for their inflammatory speeches in Europe,
I don't agree with arrests for speeches - including the Pommie guy who just
got jailed in Austria.
I'm not sure just how far the freedom should go though - some of these Imams
are basically ordering their followers to war. As it has been shown that some
of these people have gone - 3 Poms in Pakistan(?) and a few others - should
the instigator bear some responsibility? I don't really have an answer for
myself on this one, and haven't been present at the sermons.
Dave
Neil Boss
gonesailing_gonefishing <gonesailing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Neil Boss
they should also take on the negatives as well. If they say they are
Africans rather then the guy who called ALL non-pigskins black I would
accept them. I have no problems at all with Africans I actually lived in
Africa and certainly know what racism is all about.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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gonesailing_gonefishing
Neil Boss wrote:
> Hey <niggerbabble deleted>
>
Try writing in coherent INTELLIGENT English, boong fucker.
NNnnnnnnnnaaaaaahhhh.. don't bother. You are an ingnorant fuckwit.
Intelligence is the one thing you you never have and never will ever
possess.
Hunter01
> Hey Cunter what happened can't speak out against a pigskin racist now?
Yawnnnn.... But you are him nelly... Don't make the mistake of thinking
we're as ignorant as you are.
I wont pretend there aren't some here like him (you're one), but you
really must think we're stupid.....
Hunter01
> How do I run away? Why if people want to be classified according to pigskins
> they should also take on the negatives as well. If they say they are
> Africans rather then the guy who called ALL non-pigskins black I would
> accept them. I have no problems at all with Africans I actually lived in
> Africa and certainly know what racism is all about.
So answer my fucking question then, why when those people never called
themselves "black" or "niggers" as you described them, did you choose to
throw those labels at them, and then choose to followup with the
following abuse directed at them? :
Hunter01
> Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I dunno, I give an inch and you take a keg!!!!!! 8]
>
> Heh heh... I was going to be magnanimous about it but then I thought
> Nahhh ... it's Hunter... what the hell... payback for making me have to
> *think* when I responded to your raves.
You think it's easy trying to think after a bucket-full of bourbon and
then getting home and deciding to have a gander at usenet??? Darkfire
for instance has proven to be a dark-horse, I'm going to have to
actually read his posts properly to respond (a pleasant change from the
usual hindutva garbage, but I don't expect it to last, didn't with that
marcus whatever for more than a few days) and I ain't up to that
tonight. Will have to wait til tomorrow methinks.
>> Legally in WA the points are recovered within 3 years of loss on an
>> incident by incident basis. That part don't worry me, I got plenty to
>> spare, it's the insurance and excess part that worries me, especially
>> since I'm now paying off a car I can barely afford as it is. Shit
>> happens though, not wise to live above your means when you have
>> extremely high costs involving get shitfaced on a regular basis (mostly
>> without a car these days!) 8]
>
> If it becomes a criminal matter then your whole history is reviewed and
> available to the magistrate and police prosecutor of course, no matter
> how far back, so you are being wise to steer clear of trouble these
> days.
Just getting older and more tired, not worth the effort these days.
>> Much the same here, .001 more and I'd have been out of traffic offence
>> land and into criminal charge land. Not somewhere I haven't been before,
>> but would've been the first time I'd been there since I "grew up" back
>> in '95ish (and even back then it was generally just my big mouth and
>> cops with inferiority complexes leading to disorderly conduct charges ad
>> nauseum).
>
> Well, if you stay out of trouble for more than 5 years then old offences
> don't really count - for the most part anyway.
>
>> Never had a license til I was 29ish, always worked in the bush before
>> then so didn't need one. Just had a second childhood after I got one.
>> And don't think the "maybes" didn't come to mind afterwards, they did.
>> Never happened though, I was lucky where a few just like me weren't.
>> Very few people out there have never done it, but if something like that
>> had happened I would've deserved every fucking thing that happened to
>> me. Like I say, I was lucky. BTW, remind me if I ever need a good lawyer
>> to get in contact with your other half, sounds like she knows her shit! :)
>
> She seems to have managed to have kept a lot of respectable criminals
> out of jail.... :) (Actually, she's kept a lot of kids out of jail who
> would have been well trained in criminal behaviour while there if they'd
> gone down.)
The biggest problem with incarceration. I'm all for much lengthier
sentences for violent crimes (actually I'd suggest a bullet in the head
for rapists, paedophiles, granny-bashers, etc. because anyone that could
commit such crimes is NEVER going to be worth anything to society as
anything other than a danger, but that's another argument), but
something else needs to be worked out for non-violent crimes. Otherwise
you're just creating more violent criminals, and that's not something we
need.
>> But don't worry, if it was for something like that I wouldn't bother,
>> I'd represent myself and fry, cos I'd deserve it.
>
> Let him who is without sin....there but the grace of God... and all
> that. Who hasn't done stupid things in their lifetime? Most of us are
> just lucky they didn't turn into something that could ruin other
> people's lives - and our own.
Couldn't give two shits about ruining my own, never been afraid to face
the consequences of my actions. The worst thing I think that can ever
happen to anyone with an ounce of morals is seeing the consequences of
their actions being inflicted upon other innocent people though. We all
make choices in life, some good and some bad, but if they ever fuck up
someone else it's your own mind that will punish you more than any court
ever could. Those of us that've made it this far without finding
themselves in that boat are lucky, but old(er) age is telling me not to
keep pushing the friendship, otherwise that guardian Jedi out there
might just say "fuck it, his luck has dried up!"
Rifty
> Darkfire
> for instance has proven to be a dark-horse, I'm going to have to
> actually read his posts properly to respond
I have one of his sitting on the back burner. He won't mind waiting, I'm
sure. Thoughtful postings, however off the mark they may be, deserve
respect, and time.
Seeker
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:24:12 -0700, "Seeker"
> <4not_listed_due_t...@dont.reply> wrote:
>
>>If clerics are getting arrested for their inflammatory speeches in Europe,
>
> I don't agree with arrests for speeches - including the Pommie guy who
> just
> got jailed in Austria.
>
> I'm not sure just how far the freedom should go though - some of these
> Imams
> are basically ordering their followers to war. As it has been shown that
> some
> of these people have gone - 3 Poms in Pakistan(?) and a few others -
> should
Yes, that kind of speech is wrong, but I think these kind of speeches were
pioneered by "God's Army" in the US.
> the instigator bear some responsibility? I don't really have an answer for
> myself on this one, and haven't been present at the sermons.
So then would you agree that there limits to the protection freedom of
speech offers? Why are the clerics in Europe not protected by it, but Danes
in Denmark are? Is this the selective application of law that we are all
well to aware of?
>
> Dave
Neil Boss
don't mind the next wave of invaders doing the same to u.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Dave Baker
<4not_listed_due_t...@dont.reply> wrote:
>Yes, that kind of speech is wrong, but I think these kind of speeches were
>pioneered by "God's Army" in the US.
I'm not familiar with them - I'd have to look that up.
>> the instigator bear some responsibility? I don't really have an answer for
>> myself on this one, and haven't been present at the sermons.
>So then would you agree that there limits to the protection freedom of
>speech offers?
Well, there never has been absolute freedom of speech, even in America. If
you rang the police & said that you planted a bomb in the White House (or
even in a theatre) you would be charged with something, even though you had
no bomb & never did anything more than speak.
I'm sure you have to agree that this is a fact.
If so, the only thing left is to define where the cutoff should lay.
Certainly I believe cartoons or caricatures of the Prophet or Jesus or
whoever should be allowed. So should anyone be allowed to believe that the
Holocaust didn't occur, and even say that they don't believe it occurred.
On the other hand I have problem with Neo Nazis verbally threatening Asians
to the extent that those Asians feel scared for their safety.
So, the answer has to lie somewhere in between.
>Why are the clerics in Europe not protected by it, but Danes
>in Denmark are? Is this the selective application of law that we are all
>well to aware of?
I hardly think it's selective - laws usually follow events rather than vice
versa. And laws change. In the case of the cleric who was charged, he had
physical control over a number of followers who he "commanded" to commit acts
of terror - which they did. I think he has to take responsibility for that.
After all - if a military commander ordered his men to massacre civilians he
would be charged even though he didn't do any actual killing.
As I said right from the start, I don't have the exact answer clear in my own
head yet - when I hear of incidents like this I'm continually deciding where
it fits in my own value system.
To bring it back to the cartoon issue though - it was a cartoon done by a
non-Muslim. So, Islamic law doesn't apply, only "Muslim sensitivities" apply.
Certainly there was no threat to Islam from outside Islam in this incident,
and if one looks at the consequences, the cartoons were indeed proven
correct. There are some who say that the cartoons shouldn't be allowed
because they offend Muslim sensibilities. This is the thin end of the wedge.
If we stop drawing cartoons in a non-Muslim country, then what is the next
step, and where does it end?
For instance, what if I eat a ham sandwich in Brussels. Will some Muslim in
Sudan say I can't do that because it offends Islam? Will all non-Muslims have
to get rid of their dogs?
The line needs to be drawn somewhere. Certainly in most cases the non-Muslims
are the ones who are more politically correct & are ALWAYS the ones giving
ground. The Islamic side hardly ever gives ground - from Saudi Arabia where
churches can't be built & Christians can't worship legally, to Malaysia where
they just make it impossible to build the church legally.
Dave
Hunter01
> The same story is told when pigskins are put on the line.
Much like when shitskin hindutvas try to rewrite India's history and
pretend Aryan Brahmins were always there even though they were not. Good
thing most Indians are more intelligent than to fall for your lies.
> So now hope u
> don't mind the next wave of invaders doing the same to u.
You're no invader, you're a pathetic parasite that slipped in as a refugee.
Seeker
> On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:30:17 -0700, "Seeker"
> <4not_listed_due_t...@dont.reply> wrote:
>
>>Yes, that kind of speech is wrong, but I think these kind of speeches were
>>pioneered by "God's Army" in the US.
>
> I'm not familiar with them - I'd have to look that up.
There are a lot of violent Christian groups. Look at the anti-abortion
movement and what Eric Rudolph did. Why did we not arrest Eric Rudolph's
priest/pastor? Why don't we arrest Rev. Butler
>
>>> the instigator bear some responsibility? I don't really have an answer
>>> for
>>> myself on this one, and haven't been present at the sermons.
>
>>So then would you agree that there limits to the protection freedom of
>>speech offers?
>
> Well, there never has been absolute freedom of speech, even in America. If
> you rang the police & said that you planted a bomb in the White House (or
> even in a theatre) you would be charged with something, even though you
> had
> no bomb & never did anything more than speak.
Makes sense to me. Let's take something less milder than the bomb threat
speech. How about a newspaper like New York Times (a well respected liberal
rag) prints a report, and then gets sued for libel. Supreme court has made
rulings on this and told us that libel is not protected by free speech.
There is no such thing is an unlimited freedom.
>
> I'm sure you have to agree that this is a fact.
Yes.
>
> If so, the only thing left is to define where the cutoff should lay.
> Certainly I believe cartoons or caricatures of the Prophet or Jesus or
> whoever should be allowed. So should anyone be allowed to believe that the
> Holocaust didn't occur, and even say that they don't believe it occurred.
I agree. However, there is a common sense axiom to note: namely, if you
insult someone, don't be surprised when they actually are insulted.
>
> On the other hand I have problem with Neo Nazis verbally threatening
> Asians
> to the extent that those Asians feel scared for their safety.
The recurring theme in your views is that with freedom comes responsibility.
I agree.
>
> So, the answer has to lie somewhere in between.
>
>>Why are the clerics in Europe not protected by it, but Danes
>>in Denmark are? Is this the selective application of law that we are all
>>well to aware of?
>
> I hardly think it's selective -
I disagree. The application of the law is very selective.
>laws usually follow events rather than vice
> versa. And laws change. In the case of the cleric who was charged, he had
> physical control over a number of followers
How can a cleric have physical control over anyone. The only thing an
irresponsible cleric can do is to make inappropriate speech. However, that
speech doesn't seem to be a protected under free speech, but the cartoons
are and Jerry Falwell's derogatory comments are. Pat Robertson's call for
death of people in Venezuela is protected. This is the double standard. I am
not saying that it is ok for a cleric to urge his followers of violence, I
am merely discussing free speech.
>who he "commanded" to commit acts
> of terror - which they did. I think he has to take responsibility for
> that.
> After all - if a military commander ordered his men to massacre civilians
> he
> would be charged even though he didn't do any actual killing.
No. That is not true.
>
> As I said right from the start, I don't have the exact answer clear in my
> own
> head yet - when I hear of incidents like this I'm continually deciding
> where
> it fits in my own value system.
So the European system is crumbling under its own weight.
>
> To bring it back to the cartoon issue though - it was a cartoon done by a
> non-Muslim. So, Islamic law doesn't apply, only "Muslim sensitivities"
> apply.
No one ever said that any Islamic law applies in this situation. It is a
simple incident that a Danish Newspaper printed cartoons with an intention
to challenge Muslim sensitivities (read insult), some Muslims got angry and
reacted. Some of the Muslims who reacted went out of hands and reacted
violently. To me that is a failure of law and order in their countries.
We are too fortunate that it was only a tiny minority of Muslims reacted.
Imagine if 1.5 Billion Muslims all decided to react. In light of that risk,
is it not irresponsible for the Danish Newspaper to insult Muslims. We can
argue laws and rights, but in the end it is an issue of maintaining peace
and order. Why add fuel to fire.
> Certainly there was no threat to Islam from outside Islam in this
> incident,
> and if one looks at the consequences, the cartoons were indeed proven
> correct. There are some who say that the cartoons shouldn't be allowed
> because they offend Muslim sensibilities. This is the thin end of the
> wedge.
> If we stop drawing cartoons in a non-Muslim country, then what is the next
> step, and where does it end?
Ask the same question in reverse.
>
> For instance, what if I eat a ham sandwich in Brussels. Will some Muslim
> in
> Sudan say I can't do that because it offends Islam?
No, no Muslim anywhere will ever say that. Under Islamic view you are
allowed to eat ham and it is not even viewed as an issue affecting Islam. In
fact, you can enjoy your ham sandwich in some Islamic countries like Dubai.
> Will all non-Muslims have
> to get rid of their dogs?
> The line needs to be drawn somewhere. Certainly in most cases the
> non-Muslims
> are the ones who are more politically correct & are ALWAYS the ones giving
> ground. The Islamic side hardly ever gives ground -
This is a rather narrow view and is not correct. Muslims have given ground
on many principles.
from Saudi Arabia where
> churches can't be built & Christians can't worship legally, to Malaysia
> where
> they just make it impossible to build the church legally.
But church builders know this going into Saudi Arabia and Malaysia. Clerics
don't know that they are not protected by free speech. That is the selective
application of the law.
>
> Dave
Neil Boss
other peoples contact details even if they are wrong to encourage violence.
You are scum.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Hunter01
> We are alot more intelligent then uchild
Who is "uchild"? You hindutva may be more intelligent than your pedo
mate you call "uchild" (is he the guy that runs your business interests
back in Goa?) but you sure as fuck aren't remotely as intelligent as the
average Indian or Australian, that wouldn't spit on a bigoted shitheap
like you even if you were on fire.
> who likes to not debate but publish
> other peoples contact details even if they are wrong to encourage violence.
But you did that nelly. I saw you. Want me to show the reference??? Or
are you referring to me "repeating" the posting, as you yourself did???
Fool.
> You are scum.
Coming from a hindutva that is a compliment, anyone that isn't a
knuckle-dragging sub-human caveman is scum to you nazis, so I'm proud of
not being like you! 8]
Neil Boss
Hunter1.
Hunter01 <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Hunter01
> An idiot
Yawn.... A heritage you're proud of, I'm sure....
Neil Boss
occupied countries.
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Neil Boss
Indian black and associated himself with that term.
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The-Wisest-One
Many of the women are very nice, and have excellent nappy dugouts.
MOST of the males are stark raving White Supremacist lunatics like the
vast majority of Caucasians on this forum and throughout cyberspace.
On 3 Mar 2006 04:48:38 GMT, "Chairman Mao" <nih...@shanghai.com>
wrote:
>The End of Tolerance
I Am A Man...and nothing human is alien to me.
The Earth is One Great Country, and humankind it's citizens.
Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter
Believe it...Or Not?
Neil Boss
pigkins. We will not accept their racism and if they do not like being
called pigskins let them stop using racist language.
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