The Horrors Of South Central LA
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From the NY Times, 10/24/02:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/24/national/24GANG.html
>Los Angeles Police Chief Faces a Huge Challenge
>By CHARLIE LeDUFF
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>LOS ANGELES, Oct. 23 — The afternoon that William J. Bratton was confirmed as police chief, a man was beaten to death in the South-Central section of this sprawling megalopolis.
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>Robbie Hanzy, an unemployed member of the Rolling 60's Crips gang, was killed by his brother Alton, also an unemployed member of the Rolling 60's, the police said. The fight, the authorities said, was precipitated by an afternoon filled with alcohol and by two men with nothing better to do.
Hmmm. I guess you could say they had a few hours to kill.
>The killing was the 97th homicide this year in this part of the South-Central neighborhood, a precinct of fewer than 12 square miles, population 185,000. It is by any standard, the bloodiest area in the West, infested with gangs, narcotics and armed teenagers. The area is on pace for 120 homicides this year, a 43 percent jump from last year and a 240 percent increase since 1998. The three-precinct South-Central area reported 197 homicides through Oct. 18.
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>Homicide in the city as a whole is up nearly 19 percent from last year. The reason, the authorities say, is the re-emergence of gang warfare.
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>"The Gaza Strip probably has more deaths, but this is a busy area, and the problem is gangs," said Detective Rudy Limos, the ranking homicide investigator in the 77th Station, which is within South-Central. "How you control it is beyond me."
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>Violent crime is rising around the nation after a decade of striking decreases, and Los Angeles is among the leaders. If things hold to form, this city of 3.8 million people will earn the title of the Murder Capital, succeeding Chicago.
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>A beleaguered citizenry has turned to Mr. Bratton, regarded in some corners to be the most innovative police executive since J. Edgar Hoover and in others to be a man of enormous ego who took too much credit for the precipitous drop in crime in New York City, where he was police commissioner for 27 months. At his confirmation hearing this month, Mr. Bratton seemed well aware that his stewardship of the demoralized and scandal-plagued department may very well be the standard by which his legacy is judged.
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>"This department will be my last police department that I will have the opportunity to work with and lead," Mr. Bratton told City Council members. "I would like to see it as the capstone of my career."
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>The circumstances he walks into here are the inverse of what he walked into in New York in 1994. The crime rate is skyrocketing, not inching downward, as it was in New York. The economy is busting, not booming. Federal, state and local tax money is drying up, and fewer officers, not more, are on the streets. At the same time, a steady stream of violent parolees is finding the way back to the old neighborhoods.
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>Moreover, Mr. Bratton takes over a damaged force that is operating under a federal consent decree that punishes overly aggressive officers. By many officers' accounts, the beat cop has virtually stopped working.
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>"Members of this department are demoralized," said Cmdr. Richard Roupoli, assistant commander of the South Bureau, which includes many poor and violent precincts of Los Angeles, including South-Central.
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>"We disbanded our gang units two years ago and then reinstituted them with new people without extensive gang knowledge," Commander Roupoli said. "At the same time, we've got multiple gang wars going on. The result are the murders we're seeing now."
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>When it was learned in late 1999 that a renegade gang unit, the Rampart Division, was planting evidence, racially profiling and, in some cases, unjustifiably shooting suspects, all gang units were disbanded, and the city accepted a consent decree that among other provisions uses monitors to weed out corruption and wrongdoing. In a few months, years of street intelligence was lost, along with the reassigned officers. A strict discipline system was put in place, and nearly 1,000 officers left to work elsewhere. A result, officers said, has been a steadily rising homicide rate.
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>"It stems from an oppressive discipline system," the commander of the robbery-homicide unit, Capt. James Tatreau, said. "Since Rampart, every complaint made, whether by a chronic complainer or nut, meant that it would follow a cop through his career and enter into the mix of promotion or special assignments.
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>"The cops' solution?" Captain Tatreau said. "Stop being a cop."
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>Mr. Bratton said his first priority after being sworn in on Oct. 28 would be ending the smile-and-wave approach to crime fighting. He said he wanted policing based on the so-called broken-windows theory. That idea holds that small quality-of-life crimes eventually encourage greater lawlessness. If graffiti and broken windows are tolerated, for instance, eventually prostitution and drug dealing and companion violence will find their ways to the street corners.
ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
>It is a concept that Mr. Bratton instituted with great success in New York, where the homicide rate once topped 2,200 a year, almost four times its current level.
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>It is hard to know whether the strategy can translate here. Los Angeles, sprawling over 463 square miles, is a city where community policing is often little more than the lights of a helicopter washing over bedroom windows. New York's five boroughs add up to 309 square miles. New York has 39,000 police officers for a city of eight million people, and Los Angeles has 9,000 officers for four million.
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>"You can only hope he's going to have some kind of effect," Detective Limos said. "Because we don't have many answers."
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>After a decade of declines in crime across the country, crime rates not only here but also in other major cities may have no place to go but up, said Jeremy Travis, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute.
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>"It's a bad time right now," Mr. Travis said. "The economy is weakened. State and local budgets are tight, and that hampers overtime flexibility and new hires. There are 600,000 people coming out of prison every year. Four times as many parolees were released this year than 20 years ago. At the same time, transitional services are cut and people are dumped on streets."
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>The mix, especially here, is a witch's brew. Jobs are disappearing, and welfare changes are leaving marginal people in the lurch. Moreover, 1,000 people a year return to the city streets from prison after having been locked up in the get-tough-on-crime 90's. With violent unrehabilitated felons back on the streets and many officers heading for suburban work, the streets are volatile.
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>"If Bratton can turn it around in this climate, it says he's a great police manager," Mr. Travis said.
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>Mary Phipps, a grandmother from South-Central whose bedroom window faces a wall scarred with graffiti of the simmering war between Bloods and Crips factions said: "Things are out of control. First it's these gangs. And then it's the police out of control, and now it's the gangs again. There has to be someone to put it in balance."
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>At any given time in Los Angeles County, 112,000 young men and women are listed as gang members or "wannabes" in a database created by law enforcement officials.
>As of Oct. 5, Los Angeles had 517 homicides compared with 436 last year. The police said 75 percent were gang related.
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>"If we could get rid of the gangs, we'd be living in heaven," Detective Limos said.
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>In the county, with more people and a seemingly endless sprawl, homicide is also increasing, but at a rate nearly three times slower than in the city.
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>"There is a whole latitude of policing within the law," Lt. Bob Rifkin, a supervisor in the gang unit of the County Sheriff's Department, said. "But society has to decide the balance between safety and civil rights. How much of one are you willing to sacrifice for the other?"
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>A gang member in Compton, one of 3,000 parolees there, laid out the thinking of the criminal mind in terms of the disarray in the Police Department, as opposed to the Sheriff's Department. "If you're going to mess around," he said, "it's better to do it outside the sheriff's area and in the Police Department's."
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>It is not as though the county is without problems, too. Take the case of Jose Sanchez, 19, who the police said had two things going against him. One was the telltale dead eye that he neglected to cover with a mask before he carjacked and beat a stranger and, second, the wisecrack smile that never left his face. Sheriff's deputies executed a morning raid against him and his crew, netting drugs and automatic weapons.
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>"I ain't afraid of prison and I ain't afraid of you," Mr. Sanchez said as he left his mother's house in handcuffs. "I was just on my way to school."
Charming. I wonder WHAT "school" this 19 year-old miscreant half-wit
attends.
Wayne Johnson
>
>From the NY Times, 10/24/02:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/24/national/24GANG.html
Hell, check THIS out for drunken nutcases (not Black, of course):
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_6738627.shtml
Man loses chunk of nose in bar fight
Tussle was with a drunk patron
By Andy Nelesen
anel...@greenbaypressgazette.com
Chad Harvey, 27, was at Studio East, 730 N. Quincy St., early Friday
when an intoxicated man was refused a drink by the bartender.
The bartender happened to be Harvey’s girlfriend.
When the customer, Jacob Meyers, 25, refused to take no for an answer,
Harvey stepped in and asked him to leave.
A fight ensued, according to Green Bay police Lt. Bill Galvin.
Harvey threw a punch at Meyers and Meyers in turn grappled with Harvey
and bit a chunk out of Harvey’s nose.
“The officers wrote in their details that it was a 2-inch by 2-inch
chunk off the right side,” Galvin said.
“It was right down to the divider (septum).”
Meyers was drunk, Galvin said.
A breath test at the scene indicated his blood alcohol level was .16
percent, half again the legal threshold to drive a car in Wisconsin.
Arriving officers scooped up the wayward piece of Harvey’s nose and
packed it in ice for the trip to the hospital.
At last word, a plastic surgeon had been called in to help with the
nose job, Galvin said.
Harvey’s condition was unavailable Friday night at St. Vincent
Hospital.
Meyers was in the Brown County Jail.
He is expected to make a court appearance in Brown County Court
Monday. Police have requested charges of mayhem and disorderly
conduct. The Brown County District Attorney’s Office will make the
final determination on charges.
To add insult to injury, Harvey was issued a ticket for disorderly
conduct for his role in the fight.
Wayne "Oh, my goodness....they act like such savages" Johnson
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"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."
- Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams, 4th Armored Division, U.S. Army,
preparing for the counteroffensive at the Battle of Bastogne, 1944
Wayne Johnson
>Hmmm. I guess you could say they had a few hours to kill.
>ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
No kidding! Gang members can be SO dangerous and savage!
Check THIS out (and, of course, not a Black person anywhere around):
Man sought in east side bar death
By ROBIN ERB
BLADE STAFF WRITER
Police last night were looking for a 25-year-old man accused of
murdering the reputed leader of the Outlaws motorcycle club during a
melee at an East Toledo bar late Thursday.
Robert Wymer, whose last known address was listed by police as 645
Segur Ave., was charged with murder in an arrest warrant issued
yesterday.
Police said he is being sought for the shooting death of Bruce Hicks,
45, whose address was listed as 36 North Hawley St.
Wounded in the shooting at the Rider’s Edge bar, 531 Oak St, was
Timothy Conkright, 41, of 526 Oak St., though no one last night had
been charged with that assault.
Mr. Conkright was listed in fair condition last night in St. Vincent
Mercy Medical Center with gunshot wounds in his head and shoulder.
Mr. Hicks, who was pronounced dead at St. Vincent shortly after the
shooting about 11:20 p.m., was the younger brother of Wayne Hicks, who
was at one time the second-highest-ranking Outlaw in the country.
Wayne Hicks last year testified for federal prosecutors in Tampa in a
sensational trial that led to the conviction of Harry "Taco" Bowman,
the leader of the national Outlaws and a onetime member of the FBI’s
10-Most-Wanted Fugitives list.
Despite Bruce Hicks’ alleged ties with the notorious motorcycle gang,
Thursday’s shooting began as a simple bar fight, police said.
"This was about a bunch of kids that hang around together in the south
end," Detective Danny Navarre said. "It was just a bar fight."
Police said the incident began earlier in the evening when a bartender
stopped serving alcohol to several men at the bar. The group became
belligerent, harassing the bartender and threatening other employees,
witnesses later told police.
Mr. Hicks, a regular at the bar, ordered the men to leave, which they
did.
"He was there. He knows the bartender, and they’re calling her names.
He steps in to make them leave," Detective Navarre said.
But the group returned about 30 minutes later "with additional
support," according to a police statement. Again, Mr. Hicks ordered
them out of the bar.
"As they’re leaving, there’s allegations that the people in the bar
are assaulted by those who are leaving," said Sgt. Tim Noble. Mr.
Hicks tried to close the door on the crowd, the sergeant said, "at
which time, a guy opens fire."
Seven bullet holes marked the front door of the bar, which was closed
much of yesterday. Two women outside said they were too upset to
speak. At Mr. Hicks’ listed residence on Hawley, a man behind a solid,
locked wall said no one inside had anything to say.
Wayne "How could these gang members be so dangerous? They're not
Black" Johnson
Wayne Johnson
>ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
Especially the ones that aren't Black!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/09/30/state1158EDT0062.DTL
Hells Angels leader downplays talk of biker gang war in Arizona
Monday, September 30, 2002
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(09-30) 08:58 PDT PHOENIX (AP) --
The deadly biker brawl in a Nevada casino earlier this year prompted
officials to warn that outlaw motorcycle gangs may be on the verge of
a bloody war in Arizona.
But leaders of the Hells Angels club claim the warning is part of an
organized campaign by authorities to demonize them.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick Schneider predicts a showdown between
the Hells Angels, who dominate Arizona's outlaw biker scene, and rival
gangs such as the Mongols in California and the Bandidos in New Mexico
and Nevada.
In the past six months, groups such as the Bandidos, Outlaws, Pagans,
Vagos and Rock Machine have formed a loose alliance against the
dominant Hells Angels, Schneider said.
"You might say I'm just an alarmist, but I don't think we're very far
away from having a war here," says Schneider, president of the
International Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigators Association.
Ralph "Sonny" Barger, Hells Angels icon and author of two books on the
club, said the government is trying to agitate club members.
"The government really wants a war, because when we're not at war,
they don't have anyone to blame," Barger said.
There are six Hells Angels chapters in Arizona, with about 200 known
members and a vast network of support groups.
The April 27 fight between Hells Angels and Mongols in Harrah's Casino
left three bikers dead and 12 more wounded. One person was charged
with murder, Hells Angels member Calvin Schaefer, 32, of Chandler, but
charges against him were dropped.
Two months later, a 25-year-old Hells Angels member from Southern
California was gunned down outside a biker hangout in Cave Creek.
As for a looming showdown with rival clubs, Barger laughs.
"They don't want a war any more than we do. I think a battle anywhere
in the United States is the stupidest thing anyone could do because
the only people who win are the police. In Arizona? No."
Wayne "I wonder where THESE guys went to school...the joint, maybe?"
Wayne Johnson
>ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
Especially the ones that aren't Black!
Wayne Johnson
>Hmmm. I guess you could say they had a few hours to kill.
>ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
No kidding! Gang members can be SO dangerous and savage!
Black" Johnson
Work Work Work
Wayne Johnson, you're a damn silly negro. Blackie gang maniacs in LA alone
kill hundreds *each year* (from the article: "As of Oct. 5, Los Angeles had
517 homicides compared with 436 last year. The police said 75 percent were
gang related.")
How many White motorcycle gang members (across the entire country) have
murdered someone in the last *five years*? 10? Maybe 20, at the most?
HAHHAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! That's a ratio of about 100 to 1......
What a fool. It's so pitiful to listen to you scaa goons talk about White
crime.
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
news:3dbab87b...@netnews.attbi.com...
Tempest
Work Work Work wrote:
>
> BWAAAHHHHAAAA!!!!!!!
>
> Wayne Johnson, you're a damn silly negro. Blackie gang maniacs in LA alone
> kill hundreds *each year* (from the article: "As of Oct. 5, Los Angeles had
> 517 homicides compared with 436 last year. The police said 75 percent were
> gang related.")
>
> How many White motorcycle gang members (across the entire country) have
> murdered someone in the last *five years*? 10? Maybe 20, at the most?
>
> HAHHAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! That's a ratio of about 100 to 1......
>
> What a fool. It's so pitiful to listen to you scaa goons talk about White
> crime.
Sorry, your beliefs don't hold up when exposed to the facts.
From the USDOJ web site:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
From 1976 to 1999, 46.5% of murders were committed by whites, 51.5% by
blacks and 2% by other races.
If it is GANG RELATED, you stand a greater risk of being killed if your
assailant is WHITE (56.6%).
If you are a family member or loved one, you stand a greater chance of
being killed if your assailant is white (between 53 and 58%, depending
upon relationship to assailant).
If it is sex related, you stand a greater risk of being killed if your
assailant is white (56.6%).
If you are in the workplace, you stand a HUGE risk of being killed if
your assailant is white (74.4%)
If your assailant prefers arson, you stand a greater risk of being
killed if the arsonist is white (54.4%).
If your assailant prefers poison, you stand a HUGE risk of being killed
if the person is white (74.4%).
If you are in a group of people, you stand a greater risk of being
killed if your assailant is white (58.1% when there are multiple
victims).
--
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Teddy Roosevelt
Wayne Johnson
>Sorry, your beliefs don't hold up when exposed to the facts.
>
>From the USDOJ web site:
>http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
[Interesting stats snipped]
Originally, we had discussed the Los Angeles area, and Southern
California; links to stats for this area can be found here...
http://justice.hdcdojnet.state.ca.us/cjsc_stats/prof99/#matrix
What's interesting is the fact that the vast majority of violent and
deadly crime is being done by Hispanics.
Wayne "But the racists really hate Black folks...facts don't impress
them much" Johnson
Kafou Lobo
wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. I guess you could say they had a few hours to kill.
>
>>ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
What a silly notion! I never feel responsible for what other black
folks do, unless they are part of the Lobo clan.
Kafou
Unknown
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:21:20 GMT, Tempest <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Sorry, your beliefs don't hold up when exposed to the facts.
>>
>>From the USDOJ web site:
>>http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
>
>[Interesting stats snipped]
>
>Originally, we had discussed the Los Angeles area, and Southern
>California; links to stats for this area can be found here...
>
>http://justice.hdcdojnet.state.ca.us/cjsc_stats/prof99/#matrix
>
>What's interesting is the fact that the vast majority of violent and
>deadly crime is being done by Hispanics.
Oh now you're saying something else. In another post, you said
"Asians" were the heavies.
You're meandering all over the place, like yer drunk or something.
>Wayne "But the racists really hate Black folks...facts don't impress
>them much" Johnson
Can't speak for them but I'm still waiting for you to put up some hard
data that clearly but concisely spells out your claims. Give me
irrefutable facts, and I'll accept them.
Hell for that matter, I'm still waiting for you to answer a very
simple question about Spike Lee. So simple, you can answer it with a
yes or no.
Wayne Johnson
>Oh now you're saying something else. In another post, you said
>"Asians" were the heavies.
In Orange County. Are you keeping track, or firing from the hip?
Go look at the page cited; it covers Los Angeles and all other
communities around here, too.
By ethnicity, if you think it's important.
Wayne "It isn't...they can find an orange jumpsuit to fit any asshole,
no matter what his ancestry" Johnson
Work Work Work
news:3DBB3210...@hotmail.com...
>
> Work Work Work wrote:
> >
> > BWAAAHHHHAAAA!!!!!!!
> >
> > Wayne Johnson, you're a damn silly negro. Blackie gang maniacs in LA
alone
> > kill hundreds *each year* (from the article: "As of Oct. 5, Los Angeles
had
> > 517 homicides compared with 436 last year. The police said 75 percent
were
> > gang related.")
> >
> > How many White motorcycle gang members (across the entire country) have
> > murdered someone in the last *five years*? 10? Maybe 20, at the most?
> >
> > HAHHAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! That's a ratio of about 100 to 1......
> >
> > What a fool. It's so pitiful to listen to you scaa goons talk about
White
> > crime.
>
> Sorry, your beliefs don't hold up when exposed to the facts.
Sure they do, as you'll learn below.
> From the USDOJ web site:
> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
>
> From 1976 to 1999, 46.5% of murders were committed by whites, 51.5% by
> blacks and 2% by other races.
Yet during that time period negroids were no more than 12% of the
population!?!
Damn, your argument is now TOTALLY destroyed. Should we go on? I think we
should.
> If it is GANG RELATED, you stand a greater risk of being killed if your
> assailant is WHITE (56.6%).
>
> If you are a family member or loved one, you stand a greater chance of
> being killed if your assailant is white (between 53 and 58%, depending
> upon relationship to assailant).
>
> If it is sex related, you stand a greater risk of being killed if your
> assailant is white (56.6%).
>
> If you are in the workplace, you stand a HUGE risk of being killed if
> your assailant is white (74.4%)
>
> If your assailant prefers arson, you stand a greater risk of being
> killed if the arsonist is white (54.4%).
>
> If your assailant prefers poison, you stand a HUGE risk of being killed
> if the person is white (74.4%).
>
> If you are in a group of people, you stand a greater risk of being
> killed if your assailant is white (58.1% when there are multiple
> victims).
In not a single stat listed did you account for the fact that Whites
outnumber negroids by approximately 6 to 1. If we use the proper comparison
of offenses per 100,000 population, negroids commit nearly every crime
tracked by the FBI at multiples of the White rate.
This failure to understand proportionality and rates is a very common
failure of blacks, which follows naturally from your inferior, subhuman
brains.
Now, boy, let's look once again at your FBI link. See the column labeled
Black, under the Offenders category? If any of those percentages are above
12%, 'groids are overrepresented in committing the type of homicide.
Guess what? EVERY SINGLE BLACK OFFENDER PERCENTAGE IS WELL OVER 12% - ALL
OF THEM - IN FACT, MOST ARE 40% OR HIGHER...
As is very clear from the data, 'groids are MUCH, MUCH more likely to commit
every single category of homicide listed on the website.
Don't you just hate the FBI, negro? They expose your murderous, animalistic
race for what it is.
Unknown
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:07:19 -0400, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>Oh now you're saying something else. In another post, you said
>>"Asians" were the heavies.
>
>In Orange County. Are you keeping track, or firing from the hip?
>
>Go look at the page cited; it covers Los Angeles and all other
>communities around here, too.
No, it said Orange County, and there were no number for gang-related
activity.
>By ethnicity, if you think it's important.
Which YOU raised first, when you blamed "Asians" for the drivebys.
>Wayne "It isn't...they can find an orange jumpsuit to fit any asshole,
>no matter what his ancestry" Johnson
But you can't find a coherent set of stats. Not even a coherent
bogeyman (Asians, Latinos, whatever, eh?).
Wayne Johnson
>But you can't find a coherent set of stats. Not even a coherent
>bogeyman (Asians, Latinos, whatever, eh?).
I posted it several times.
What's the matter? Screen font too small?
Wayne "The stats are there, even if your brain isn't" Johnson
Unknown
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:46:50 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>But you can't find a coherent set of stats. Not even a coherent
>>bogeyman (Asians, Latinos, whatever, eh?).
>
>I posted it several times.
You posted some data about Orange County. No separate breakout of
gang-related crimes.
>What's the matter? Screen font too small?
No, the only thing small is the "evidence" you've managed to cough up
so far.
>Wayne "The stats are there, even if your brain isn't" Johnson
OK, let's see them. Once more, make sure they have gang-related
crimes broken out by race/ethniciity, starting with LA (city).
I posted a serious article from the NY Times about the gang problems
that are terrorizing LA, especially South Central. It said nothing
about Asians committing the gang-related stuff.
You keep trying to change the focus by babbling about Arizona, or
drunks in Toledo, or God-knows what else. But it's not working, and
not fooling anyone.
Wayne Johnson
>>Wayne "The stats are there, even if your brain isn't" Johnson
>
>OK, let's see them. Once more, make sure they have gang-related
>crimes broken out by race/ethniciity, starting with LA (city).
Not even your reputed article covered this in such detail, Broken
Record. Worse yet, many gangs are not limited to one city, and four
of them - 18th Street, White Fence, and the Mexican Mafia (all
Hispanic) and the Nazi Lowriders (white), and are regional or
statewide in influence.
You can't limit such gangs to LA (city), and even asking for something
like this shows how little you understand the problem. Drive-by
shootings is where this conversation started; and I attempted to help
you understand why drive-by shooting is down, due to aggressive and
focused police work in Los Angeles.
I also attempted to help you understand why Asian gangs, in smaller
cities and different jurisdictions, still use the drive-by
assassination method, and that's why when we hear of them in the
Southern California media, it's usually Asians attached to such
episodes.
You aren't about solving such problems. You're after blame only, and
if you can slip in crap about "po-lice" and other such racist
claptrap, you're happy.
If you're proved to be wrong, you ask for convoluted data that STILL
can't support your claim.
You're worthless in debate.
>I posted a serious article from the NY Times about the gang problems
>that are terrorizing LA, especially South Central. It said nothing
>about Asians committing the gang-related stuff.
It wasn't about the gang problem; it was about what the new chief
needs to worry about, solely in his jurisdiction. Did you know, for
example, that much of what is known as South Central is actually NOT
in the City of Los Angeles? That much of it is in what are called
unincorporated areas of the city, or in other communities, with
different police and legal systems?
You really don't understand any of this, do you? Did the article
touch on it? Did it discuss Compton? Willowbrook?
I'm wasting my time.
>You keep trying to change the focus by babbling about Arizona, or
>drunks in Toledo, or God-knows what else. But it's not working, and
>not fooling anyone.
I'm not even trying to fool anyone.
Wayne "Straight facts confuse the hell out of you...why bother trying
to fool someone who's that good at fooling themselves?" JOhnson
Unknown
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:37:50 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>>Wayne "The stats are there, even if your brain isn't" Johnson
>>
>>OK, let's see them. Once more, make sure they have gang-related
>>crimes broken out by race/ethniciity, starting with LA (city).
>
>Not even your reputed article covered this in such detail, Broken
>Record. Worse yet, many gangs are not limited to one city, and four
>of them - 18th Street, White Fence, and the Mexican Mafia (all
>Hispanic) and the Nazi Lowriders (white), and are regional or
>statewide in influence.
So what? A gang-related crime is a gang-related crime, no matter
where it is pulled. You're trying (clumsily) to cloud the issue.
And the Bloods and Crips have gone national. They've got chapters on
the East Coast, including in areas less than 5 miles from my home.
Yet they're still quite active in LA
What does this have to with the fact that you claim Asians are doing
most of the drivebys?
>You can't limit such gangs to LA (city), and even asking for something
>like this shows how little you understand the problem. Drive-by
>shootings is where this conversation started; and I attempted to help
>you understand why drive-by shooting is down, due to aggressive and
>focused police work in Los Angeles.
YOU blamed the majority of this stuff on "Asians". I have yet to see
solid proof backing this up.
>I also attempted to help you understand why Asian gangs, in smaller
>cities and different jurisdictions, still use the drive-by
>assassination method, and that's why when we hear of them in the
>Southern California media, it's usually Asians attached to such
>episodes.
So you say. Any evidence from a reputable source to back this up?
>You aren't about solving such problems. You're after blame only, and
>if you can slip in crap about "po-lice" and other such racist
>claptrap, you're happy.
It is not for me to solve drive-bys, regardless of who pulls it off.
Quit changing the subject. You made a claim, now you're spinning yer
wheels. Badly.
>If you're proved to be wrong, you ask for convoluted data that STILL
>can't support your claim.
Except you haven't proved anything. Where's the beef?
>You're worthless in debate.
Au contraire, you're the one stuck in a lurch, not me.
>>I posted a serious article from the NY Times about the gang problems
>>that are terrorizing LA, especially South Central. It said nothing
>>about Asians committing the gang-related stuff.
>
>It wasn't about the gang problem; it was about what the new chief
>needs to worry about, solely in his jurisdiction. Did you know, for
>example, that much of what is known as South Central is actually NOT
>in the City of Los Angeles? That much of it is in what are called
>unincorporated areas of the city, or in other communities, with
>different police and legal systems?
The article pointed out that the county has gang problems too.
>You really don't understand any of this, do you? Did the article
>touch on it? Did it discuss Compton? Willowbrook?
Compton, yes. I don't recall seeing Willowbrook. But thanks for
admitting you didn't the read the article.
So much for your credibility.
>I'm wasting my time.
Yes, because if you don't come prepared, with facts, you'll just wind
up spinning and spinning. Just like you're doing right now.
>>You keep trying to change the focus by babbling about Arizona, or
>>drunks in Toledo, or God-knows what else. But it's not working, and
>>not fooling anyone.
>
>I'm not even trying to fool anyone.
Then you're even more dazed and confused than I thought.
>Wayne "Straight facts confuse the hell out of you...why bother trying
>to fool someone who's that good at fooling themselves?" JOhnson
What facts? Just some anecdotes from you about Asian drivebys. We
want cold, hard data on gang-related, including drive-by incidents.
Not folklore.
Wayne Johnson
>YOU blamed the majority of this stuff on "Asians". I have yet to see
>solid proof backing this up.
At this point, you're raving.
You don't know about municipalities in Southern California.
You're hell-bent on making crime a "racial" issue.
You're not asking questions; you're making rhetorical statements.
You're wasting my time.
Wayne "Intentionally" Johnson
Wayne Johnson
>What facts? Just some anecdotes from you about Asian drivebys. We
>want cold, hard data on gang-related, including drive-by incidents.
Who is "we"?
Wayne "Got some multiple personalities in there, or what?" Johnson
Unknown
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:52:37 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>
>>YOU blamed the majority of this stuff on "Asians". I have yet to see
>>solid proof backing this up.
>
>At this point, you're raving.
You're changing the subject.
>You don't know about municipalities in Southern California.
You're changing the subject.
>You're hell-bent on making crime a "racial" issue.
You're changing the subject.
>You're not asking questions; you're making rhetorical statements.
You're changing the subject.
>You're wasting my time.
You're changing the subject.
>Wayne "Intentionally" Johnson
Bingo. You changed the subject, intentionally.
Fact is, you got caught with yer pants down to yer knees and are
unable to gracefully extricate yourself.
Well, if you ever get even a semblance of proof regarding your Asian
claim, let us know.
Unknown
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:52:37 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>What facts? Just some anecdotes from you about Asian drivebys. We
>>want cold, hard data on gang-related, including drive-by incidents.
>
>Who is "we"?
>
>Wayne "Got some multiple personalities in there, or what?" Johnson
From what I gather, you have an extensive fan club on Usenet. I
suspect many are waiting to see you attempt (clumsily, no doubt) to
extricate yourself from your silly Asian claims.
Could be a long wait.
Wayne Johnson
>On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:33:13 GMT, cia...@pingme.com (Wayne Johnson)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:52:37 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>>
>>>What facts? Just some anecdotes from you about Asian drivebys. We
>>>want cold, hard data on gang-related, including drive-by incidents.
>>
>>Who is "we"?
>>
>>Wayne "Got some multiple personalities in there, or what?" Johnson
>
>From what I gather, you have an extensive fan club on Usenet.
I'm hated, deeply, by two or three jokers who have forged my name
countless times.
Of course, I use my real name, and always have. Why can't you?
>I suspect many are waiting to see you attempt (clumsily, no doubt) to
>extricate yourself from your silly Asian claims.
Those folks who know the Southern California area won't even bother.
Those who can look up any Orange County newspaper, or search the Web,
soon find out the truth.
>Could be a long wait.
No longer than it takes you to look up some facts.
Wayne "That could take forever" Johnson
Unknown
wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:43:35 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:33:13 GMT, cia...@pingme.com (Wayne Johnson)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:52:37 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What facts? Just some anecdotes from you about Asian drivebys. We
>>>>want cold, hard data on gang-related, including drive-by incidents.
>>>
>>>Who is "we"?
>>>
>>>Wayne "Got some multiple personalities in there, or what?" Johnson
>>
>>From what I gather, you have an extensive fan club on Usenet.
>
>I'm hated, deeply, by two or three jokers who have forged my name
>countless times.
>
>Of course, I use my real name, and always have. Why can't you?
>
>>I suspect many are waiting to see you attempt (clumsily, no doubt) to
>>extricate yourself from your silly Asian claims.
>
>Those folks who know the Southern California area won't even bother.
>
>Those who can look up any Orange County newspaper, or search the Web,
>soon find out the truth.
>
>>Could be a long wait.
>
>No longer than it takes you to look up some facts.
>
>Wayne "That could take forever" Johnson
No silly, I posted a NY Times article about LA, especially South
Central last week, which stated that homicides and gang-related
activity was going UP, not down. Listening to you, one would think
that LA is now a quiet, peaceful piece of land sandwiched between war
zones in Orange County, controlled by Asian warlords.
YOU are the one who tried to change the subject to Orange County,
Arizona, and Toledo, after being challenged to back up your cockeyed
claims about Asian drive-bys. You knew you blew it, so you tried
diverting attention by changing the subject. Not a bad strategy, but
not one that fooled me either.
What probably *will* take forever is for you to step forward, and
admit you misspoke, and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lead me
on a wild goose chase.
Wayne Johnson
>No silly, I posted a NY Times article about LA, especially South
>Central last week, which stated that homicides and gang-related
>activity was going UP, not down.
"...about LA..."
The City of Los Angeles, or the County of Los Angeles?
Up from what level, to what level?
Since you're hooked on ethnicity, what ethnic group was statistically
shown, in this article, to be the main reason for the rise in crime?
Finally, where in the article did it mention drive-by shootings?
>Listening to you, one would think
>that LA is now a quiet, peaceful piece of land sandwiched between war
>zones in Orange County, controlled by Asian warlords.
I invite you to check my posts - every one, going back years if you
like - where I said anything of the kind.
I mentioned a specific mode of murder - drive-by shootings. As you
may be aware (check the New York newspapers for daily accounts of
crime in Los Angeles, since you think this makes you well informed),
people die by gunfire from other than moving vehicles. Or maybe you
didn't know this.
>YOU are the one who tried to change the subject to Orange County,
>Arizona, and Toledo, after being challenged to back up your cockeyed
>claims about Asian drive-bys.
Actually, I mentioned crime by people in places other than Los
Angeles, and from folks in ethnic groups other than my own. It
appears that mentioning these things upsets you terribly.
>You knew you blew it, so you tried
>diverting attention by changing the subject. Not a bad strategy, but
>not one that fooled me either.
"Blew it" how? You didn't have to read the articles about drunken
murders committed by people who weren't Black; and I know you like to
concentrate on such stories, but really, Broken Record, Black folks
didn't invent murders committed under the influence of alcohol.
>What probably *will* take forever is for you to step forward, and
>admit you misspoke, and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lead me
>on a wild goose chase.
Go wherever you like. I think a brisk walk to the newsstand for a New
York paper on life in Los Angeles will do you good.
Wayne "I hope it's the Post, since facts only confuse you" Johnson
Unknown
wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:42:45 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>
>>No silly, I posted a NY Times article about LA, especially South
>>Central last week, which stated that homicides and gang-related
>>activity was going UP, not down.
>
>"...about LA..."
>
>The City of Los Angeles, or the County of Los Angeles?
Read the article. I know you know how to read, albeit slowly.
>Up from what level, to what level?
Read the article.
>Since you're hooked on ethnicity, what ethnic group was statistically
>shown, in this article, to be the main reason for the rise in crime?
You brought up that point, not me. Nice try to turn it around.
>Finally, where in the article did it mention drive-by shootings?
Read the article.
>>Listening to you, one would think
>>that LA is now a quiet, peaceful piece of land sandwiched between war
>>zones in Orange County, controlled by Asian warlords.
>
>I invite you to check my posts - every one, going back years if you
>like - where I said anything of the kind.
I just have to go back a few days. You suggested that LAPD had
cracked down so much on gangbangers that they were scared stiff to
drive their wheels within the city limits. You further suggested that
"outsiders" (ie, Asians) from Orange and elsewhere were doing all the
mean, nasty stuff.
>I mentioned a specific mode of murder - drive-by shootings. As you
>may be aware (check the New York newspapers for daily accounts of
>crime in Los Angeles, since you think this makes you well informed),
>people die by gunfire from other than moving vehicles. Or maybe you
>didn't know this.
Sure smart guy, and that's exactly what the article said. Homicides
are way up, especially in South Central. The article led off with an
account of how one black gangbanger shot another young black man, who
was a fellow gang member AND his brother, too (real brother).
>>YOU are the one who tried to change the subject to Orange County,
>>Arizona, and Toledo, after being challenged to back up your cockeyed
>>claims about Asian drive-bys.
>
>Actually, I mentioned crime by people in places other than Los
>Angeles, and from folks in ethnic groups other than my own. It
>appears that mentioning these things upsets you terribly.
No, but your lame and clumsy attempts to create equivalence between
the horror of inmates running the asylum in South Central and isolated
crimes elsewhere was actually quite funny.
>>You knew you blew it, so you tried
>>diverting attention by changing the subject. Not a bad strategy, but
>>not one that fooled me either.
>
>"Blew it" how? You didn't have to read the articles about drunken
>murders committed by people who weren't Black; and I know you like to
>concentrate on such stories, but really, Broken Record, Black folks
>didn't invent murders committed under the influence of alcohol.
Are homicides WAY up where a few drunks commit crimes? Are these
cities contemplating bringing in a Police Chief of Bill Bratton's
stature to rein in the inmates? I think not.
>>What probably *will* take forever is for you to step forward, and
>>admit you misspoke, and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lead me
>>on a wild goose chase.
>
>Go wherever you like. I think a brisk walk to the newsstand for a New
>York paper on life in Los Angeles will do you good.
You too, since you seem to be clueless about what is going right
around you. I live 3000 miles away, and know more about life in LA
than you do, and you claim to work there. Do you live there too?
>Wayne "I hope it's the Post, since facts only confuse you" Johnson
I read several, and not just from NY. The article in question that I
posted last week was from the NY Times.
If you'd had bothered reading it, even superficially, you would have
already known that, genious.
Wayne Johnson
>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 04:23:01 GMT, cia...@pingme.com (Wayne Johnson)
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:42:45 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No silly, I posted a NY Times article about LA, especially South
>>>Central last week, which stated that homicides and gang-related
>>>activity was going UP, not down.
>>
>>"...about LA..."
>>
>>The City of Los Angeles, or the County of Los Angeles?
>
>Read the article. I know you know how to read, albeit slowly.
You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
clear.
>>Up from what level, to what level?
>
>Read the article.
You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
clear.
>>Since you're hooked on ethnicity, what ethnic group was statistically
>>shown, in this article, to be the main reason for the rise in crime?
>
>You brought up that point, not me. Nice try to turn it around.
How so? You were claiming folks got drunk, and killed somebody; when
I posted articles showing the same kind of behavior - in places other
than Los Angeles, by folks who were other than Black - you freaked
out.
I didn't deny any facts. What's got you so upset?
>>Finally, where in the article did it mention drive-by shootings?
>
>Read the article.
You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
clear.
>>>Listening to you, one would think
>>>that LA is now a quiet, peaceful piece of land sandwiched between war
>>>zones in Orange County, controlled by Asian warlords.
>>
>>I invite you to check my posts - every one, going back years if you
>>like - where I said anything of the kind.
>
>I just have to go back a few days. You suggested that LAPD had
>cracked down so much on gangbangers that they were scared stiff to
>drive their wheels within the city limits.
Actually, I said that it had become clear that they couldn't borrow
Mommy's car and go rolling with their home boys, looking to shoot
somebody; the cops would confiscate their stuff.
You don't know much about gang activity in an urban environment, do
you? I'll write a separate, and non-sarcastic post to explain this to
you.
>You further suggested that
>"outsiders" (ie, Asians) from Orange and elsewhere were doing all the
>mean, nasty stuff.
Not at all. What I said was that when I heard or read about a
drive-by, most of the time it was Asians victims, shooters, and most
likely both. The reason? The media in Southern California is not
limited to the City of Los Angeles, or the jurisdiction of the LAPD.
Radio stations cover Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange, and Riverside
Counties - as does the Los Angeles Times.
You really don't get it, do you?
>>I mentioned a specific mode of murder - drive-by shootings. As you
>>may be aware (check the New York newspapers for daily accounts of
>>crime in Los Angeles, since you think this makes you well informed),
>>people die by gunfire from other than moving vehicles. Or maybe you
>>didn't know this.
>
>Sure smart guy, and that's exactly what the article said. Homicides
>are way up, especially in South Central.
Among which ethnic group, Broken Record?
>The article led off with an
>account of how one black gangbanger shot another young black man, who
>was a fellow gang member AND his brother, too (real brother).
Are these individuals some kind of "statistic", Broken Record? Did
you look at the statistics for homicides in Los Angeles, broken down
by ethnicity - which I posted?
>>Actually, I mentioned crime by people in places other than Los
>>Angeles, and from folks in ethnic groups other than my own. It
>>appears that mentioning these things upsets you terribly.
>
>No, but your lame and clumsy attempts to create equivalence between
>the horror of inmates running the asylum in South Central and isolated
>crimes elsewhere was actually quite funny.
I hate to break this to you - since you're working off of some very
odd assumptions - but Hispanics outnumber Black folks in South Central
about 2 to 1.
Their murder rate is higher than that. You really didn't look at the
stats, did you?
>>"Blew it" how? You didn't have to read the articles about drunken
>>murders committed by people who weren't Black; and I know you like to
>>concentrate on such stories, but really, Broken Record, Black folks
>>didn't invent murders committed under the influence of alcohol.
>
>Are homicides WAY up where a few drunks commit crimes?
Nope, they're up (I can't quantify "way up", so I'll let it go) and
the primary cause is a huge increase in Latino gang activity in the
Southern California area.
>Are these
>cities contemplating bringing in a Police Chief of Bill Bratton's
>stature to rein in the inmates? I think not.
Are you actually worshipping this guy? People who go to work every
day should not be described as "inmates", asshole.
>>Go wherever you like. I think a brisk walk to the newsstand for a New
>>York paper on life in Los Angeles will do you good.
>
>You too, since you seem to be clueless about what is going right
>around you. I live 3000 miles away, and know more about life in LA
>than you do, and you claim to work there. Do you live there too?
I can't go into detail, but I will say that I know one hell of a lot
about the LAPD, and gang activity in Los Angeles.
I don't see how I could trust you with any concrete information in
this regard; you've never even posted your real name.
Wayne "Oh well" Johnson
Unknown
wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:34:56 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 04:23:01 GMT, cia...@pingme.com (Wayne Johnson)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:42:45 -0500, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No silly, I posted a NY Times article about LA, especially South
>>>>Central last week, which stated that homicides and gang-related
>>>>activity was going UP, not down.
>>>
>>>"...about LA..."
>>>
>>>The City of Los Angeles, or the County of Los Angeles?
>>
>>Read the article. I know you know how to read, albeit slowly.
>
>You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
>clear.
I did. Several times. I'm not going to play your game of
obfuscation. You can't even answer a simple question about Spike Lee.
>>>Up from what level, to what level?
>>
>>Read the article.
>
>You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
>clear.
See above.
>>>Since you're hooked on ethnicity, what ethnic group was statistically
>>>shown, in this article, to be the main reason for the rise in crime?
>>
>>You brought up that point, not me. Nice try to turn it around.
>
>How so? You were claiming folks got drunk, and killed somebody; when
>I posted articles showing the same kind of behavior - in places other
>than Los Angeles, by folks who were other than Black - you freaked
>out.
Did you also show a skyrocketing rise in homicides, as is the case in
South Central, and the rest of LA?
>I didn't deny any facts. What's got you so upset?
You didn't post many facts either, just anecdotes.
>>>Finally, where in the article did it mention drive-by shootings?
>>
>>Read the article.
>
>You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
>clear.
God, you're dense.
>>>>Listening to you, one would think
>>>>that LA is now a quiet, peaceful piece of land sandwiched between war
>>>>zones in Orange County, controlled by Asian warlords.
>>>
>>>I invite you to check my posts - every one, going back years if you
>>>like - where I said anything of the kind.
>>
>>I just have to go back a few days. You suggested that LAPD had
>>cracked down so much on gangbangers that they were scared stiff to
>>drive their wheels within the city limits.
>
>Actually, I said that it had become clear that they couldn't borrow
>Mommy's car and go rolling with their home boys, looking to shoot
>somebody; the cops would confiscate their stuff.
Which suggests that if the gangbangers and wannabees wanna go out on
the town, they go outside the city limits, no?
>You don't know much about gang activity in an urban environment, do
>you? I'll write a separate, and non-sarcastic post to explain this to
>you.
Non-sarcastic, from you? This should be good.
It would be even better if filled with some hard facts from reputable
sources.
>>You further suggested that
>>"outsiders" (ie, Asians) from Orange and elsewhere were doing all the
>>mean, nasty stuff.
>
>Not at all. What I said was that when I heard or read about a
>drive-by, most of the time it was Asians victims, shooters, and most
>likely both.
No. You said nothing about victims originally. Only when I pointed
this out did you start claiming that you have.
>The reason? The media in Southern California is not
>limited to the City of Los Angeles, or the jurisdiction of the LAPD.
>Radio stations cover Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange, and Riverside
>Counties - as does the Los Angeles Times.
So what? When a drive-by, or other gang-related activity goes down,
doesn't the media there tell you *where* the crime took place?
>You really don't get it, do you?
More than you, I'm afraid. Despite not having home-field advantage.
>>>I mentioned a specific mode of murder - drive-by shootings. As you
>>>may be aware (check the New York newspapers for daily accounts of
>>>crime in Los Angeles, since you think this makes you well informed),
>>>people die by gunfire from other than moving vehicles. Or maybe you
>>>didn't know this.
>>
>>Sure smart guy, and that's exactly what the article said. Homicides
>>are way up, especially in South Central.
>
>Among which ethnic group, Broken Record?
Once more, read the article.
>>The article led off with an
>>account of how one black gangbanger shot another young black man, who
>>was a fellow gang member AND his brother, too (real brother).
>
>Are these individuals some kind of "statistic", Broken Record? Did
>you look at the statistics for homicides in Los Angeles, broken down
>by ethnicity - which I posted?
You posted them for Orange County. I'd like to see them at the
neighborhood level. For example, the stats for South Central.
Again, though, the article I posted DID mention some stats for South
Central. And they weren't good.
>>>Actually, I mentioned crime by people in places other than Los
>>>Angeles, and from folks in ethnic groups other than my own. It
>>>appears that mentioning these things upsets you terribly.
>>
>>No, but your lame and clumsy attempts to create equivalence between
>>the horror of inmates running the asylum in South Central and isolated
>>crimes elsewhere was actually quite funny.
>
>I hate to break this to you - since you're working off of some very
>odd assumptions - but Hispanics outnumber Black folks in South Central
>about 2 to 1.
So what?
>Their murder rate is higher than that. You really didn't look at the
>stats, did you?
You were talking about Asians, now you've switched?
>>>"Blew it" how? You didn't have to read the articles about drunken
>>>murders committed by people who weren't Black; and I know you like to
>>>concentrate on such stories, but really, Broken Record, Black folks
>>>didn't invent murders committed under the influence of alcohol.
>>
>>Are homicides WAY up where a few drunks commit crimes?
>
>Nope, they're up (I can't quantify "way up", so I'll let it go) and
>the primary cause is a huge increase in Latino gang activity in the
>Southern California area.
Oh-ho, now it's Hispanics, but before it was "Asians". God, it's
tough to pin you down.
>>Are these
>>cities contemplating bringing in a Police Chief of Bill Bratton's
>>stature to rein in the inmates? I think not.
>
>Are you actually worshipping this guy? People who go to work every
>day should not be described as "inmates", asshole.
I gather quite a few folks in South Central don't go to work any day,
unless you consider soldiering in a gang "work". And most of them
were, are, or will be, inmates.
>>>Go wherever you like. I think a brisk walk to the newsstand for a New
>>>York paper on life in Los Angeles will do you good.
>>
>>You too, since you seem to be clueless about what is going right
>>around you. I live 3000 miles away, and know more about life in LA
>>than you do, and you claim to work there. Do you live there too?
>
>I can't go into detail, but I will say that I know one hell of a lot
>about the LAPD, and gang activity in Los Angeles.
I'm not convinced, since you are all over the place and your stories
don't jive with what a reputable news source said about LA.
Wayne Johnson
>On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:31:17 GMT, cia...@pingme.com (Wayne Johnson)
>wrote:
>>You're familiar with the information; find it, quote it, make yourself
>>clear.
>
>I did. Several times. I'm not going to play your game of
>obfuscation. You can't even answer a simple question about Spike Lee.
It was a RHETORICAL question about Spike Lee. I don't bother with
that kind of small-time hustle from guys with "yes or no" hostile
interrogation on their tiny minds.
Wayne "Why set stupid precedents?" Johnson
************************************************
"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."
- Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams, 4th Armored Division, U.S. Army,
preparing for the counteroffensive at the Battle of Bastogne, 1944
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to
maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking.
- Ferdinand Foch, at the Battle of the Marne
Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: ,,,,,I don't see any method at all, sir.
Kurtz: I expected someone like you. What did you expect? Are you an assassin?
Willard: I'm a soldier.
Kurtz: You're neither. You're an errand boy. Sent by grocery clerks. To collect a bill.
-Apocalypse Now
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. -- Will Rogers
I like a man who grins when he fights. - Winston Churchill
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winnie again
Wayne Johnson
>On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:31:17 GMT, cia...@pingme.com (Wayne Johnson)
>wrote:
>>How so? You were claiming folks got drunk, and killed somebody; when
>>I posted articles showing the same kind of behavior - in places other
>>than Los Angeles, by folks who were other than Black - you freaked
>>out.
>
>Did you also show a skyrocketing rise in homicides, as is the case in
>South Central, and the rest of LA?
Cute term, "skyrocketing".
I remember a year, in my city of Los Angeles, where over 1,000 people
were murdered.
No rocket has even come close to that altitude, so save the hyperbole
for your klan meetings.
Wayne "I'm sure they ooh and ahh, then go out, get drunk, and
skyrocket each other to death" Johnson
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"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."
- Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams, 4th Armored Division, U.S. Army,
preparing for the counteroffensive at the Battle of Bastogne, 1944
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to
david.schwartz
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
> >
> >From the NY Times, 10/24/02:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/24/national/24GANG.html
>
> Hell, check THIS out for drunken nutcases (not Black, of course):
>
> http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_6738627.shtml
>
> Man loses chunk of nose in bar fight
>
> Tussle was with a drunk patron
> By Andy Nelesen
> anel...@greenbaypressgazette.com
>
> Chad Harvey, 27, was at Studio East, 730 N. Quincy St., early Friday
> when an intoxicated man was refused a drink by the bartender.
>
> The bartender happened to be Harvey's girlfriend.
>
> When the customer, Jacob Meyers, 25, refused to take no for an answer,
> Harvey stepped in and asked him to leave.
>
> A fight ensued, according to Green Bay police Lt. Bill Galvin.
>
> Harvey threw a punch at Meyers and Meyers in turn grappled with Harvey
> and bit a chunk out of Harvey's nose.
>
> "The officers wrote in their details that it was a 2-inch by 2-inch
> chunk off the right side," Galvin said.
>
> "It was right down to the divider (septum)."
>
> Meyers was drunk, Galvin said.
>
> A breath test at the scene indicated his blood alcohol level was .16
> percent, half again the legal threshold to drive a car in Wisconsin.
>
> Arriving officers scooped up the wayward piece of Harvey's nose and
> packed it in ice for the trip to the hospital.
>
> At last word, a plastic surgeon had been called in to help with the
> nose job, Galvin said.
>
> Harvey's condition was unavailable Friday night at St. Vincent
> Hospital.
>
> Meyers was in the Brown County Jail.
>
> He is expected to make a court appearance in Brown County Court
> Monday. Police have requested charges of mayhem and disorderly
> conduct. The Brown County District Attorney's Office will make the
> final determination on charges.
>
> To add insult to injury, Harvey was issued a ticket for disorderly
> conduct for his role in the fight.
>
> Wayne "Oh, my goodness....they act like such savages" Johnson
david.schwartz
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
> >Hmmm. I guess you could say they had a few hours to kill.
>
> >ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
>
> No kidding! Gang members can be SO dangerous and savage!
>
> Check THIS out (and, of course, not a Black person anywhere around):
>
>
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20021026&Category=NEWS
03&ArtNo=110260008&Ref=AR
>
> Man sought in east side bar death
>
> By ROBIN ERB
> BLADE STAFF WRITER
>
>
> Police last night were looking for a 25-year-old man accused of
> murdering the reputed leader of the Outlaws motorcycle club during a
> melee at an East Toledo bar late Thursday.
>
> Robert Wymer, whose last known address was listed by police as 645
> Segur Ave., was charged with murder in an arrest warrant issued
> yesterday.
>
> Police said he is being sought for the shooting death of Bruce Hicks,
> 45, whose address was listed as 36 North Hawley St.
>
> Wounded in the shooting at the Rider's Edge bar, 531 Oak St, was
> Timothy Conkright, 41, of 526 Oak St., though no one last night had
> been charged with that assault.
>
> Mr. Conkright was listed in fair condition last night in St. Vincent
> Mercy Medical Center with gunshot wounds in his head and shoulder.
>
> Mr. Hicks, who was pronounced dead at St. Vincent shortly after the
> shooting about 11:20 p.m., was the younger brother of Wayne Hicks, who
> was at one time the second-highest-ranking Outlaw in the country.
> Wayne Hicks last year testified for federal prosecutors in Tampa in a
> sensational trial that led to the conviction of Harry "Taco" Bowman,
> the leader of the national Outlaws and a onetime member of the FBI's
> 10-Most-Wanted Fugitives list.
>
> Despite Bruce Hicks' alleged ties with the notorious motorcycle gang,
> Thursday's shooting began as a simple bar fight, police said.
>
> "This was about a bunch of kids that hang around together in the south
> end," Detective Danny Navarre said. "It was just a bar fight."
>
> Police said the incident began earlier in the evening when a bartender
> stopped serving alcohol to several men at the bar. The group became
> belligerent, harassing the bartender and threatening other employees,
> witnesses later told police.
>
> Mr. Hicks, a regular at the bar, ordered the men to leave, which they
> did.
>
> "He was there. He knows the bartender, and they're calling her names.
> He steps in to make them leave," Detective Navarre said.
>
> But the group returned about 30 minutes later "with additional
> support," according to a police statement. Again, Mr. Hicks ordered
> them out of the bar.
>
> "As they're leaving, there's allegations that the people in the bar
> are assaulted by those who are leaving," said Sgt. Tim Noble. Mr.
> Hicks tried to close the door on the crowd, the sergeant said, "at
> which time, a guy opens fire."
>
> Seven bullet holes marked the front door of the bar, which was closed
> much of yesterday. Two women outside said they were too upset to
> speak. At Mr. Hicks' listed residence on Hawley, a man behind a solid,
> locked wall said no one inside had anything to say.
>
> Wayne "How could these gang members be so dangerous? They're not
> Black" Johnson
david.schwartz
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
> >ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
>
david.schwartz
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
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david.schwartz
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400, VoiceOfReason <> wrote:
>
> >Hmmm. I guess you could say they had a few hours to kill.
>
> >ROTFL! I doubt smiling and waving put off many gang-bangers.
>
> Black" Johnson
Unknown
wrote:
>I think you missed the point.
So what else is new with Mr Johnson?
Wayne Johnson
wrote:
>I think you missed the point.
I think the guy misses his nose.
Wayne "There is no point" Johnson
************************************************
"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."
- Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams, 4th Armored Division, U.S. Army,
preparing for the counteroffensive at the Battle of Bastogne, 1944
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to
maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking.
- Ferdinand Foch, at the Battle of the Marne
Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: ....I don't see.... any method at all, sir.
Wayne Johnson
wrote:
>I think you missed the point.
Actually, I didn't give a damn about it.
Wayne "Why should I" Johnson
************************************************
"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."
- Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams, 4th Armored Division, U.S. Army,
preparing for the counteroffensive at the Battle of Bastogne, 1944
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to
david.schwartz
many different threads every day, I can easily believe that you don't really
care about some/all of them.
Of course, that does beg the question: "Why do you post?"
I think I know, which is why I don't take you seriously.
Wanna do me a favor? Don't bother responding to this.
"Wayne Johnson" <cia...@pingme.com> wrote in message
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ubject. - Winnie again