BOULE LIST
VOODOO
JESSE JACKSON
RON BROWN
ELAINE LOCKE
DOUGLAS WILDER
...
...
....
.....
Please add names you know of to this list
VOODOO
>HUGH PERKINS
>JESSE JACKSON (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi, ???)
>RON BROWN
>ELAINE LOCKE
>DOUGLAS WILDER (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi)
>VERNON JORDAN (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi)
>ASA HILLIARD! (Allegedly joined in 1993, Other affiliations ???)
>
Alleged members:
Clifton Wharton (Dep. Sec. of State) he may not hold this post anymore
Colin Powell
Uncle Tom Bradley (Ex. mayor of Los Angeles)
The fat guy that was mayor of Atlanta. Maynard ?
Kurt Schmoke (sp) Mayor of Baltimore
Earl Graves of black enterprise
Robert Johnson - BET (actually should be NET "negro entertainment
television")
DarkStar
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Copyright, 1996, Edwin Brown
Tracey S Mitchell
In article <afram1-0501...@dp1-018.ppp.iglou.com>,
Michael R. Hicks <afr...@iglou.com> wrote:
>In article <4ci9d0$f...@zippy.cais.net>, dark...@cais.cais.com (DarkStar) wrot
e:
>
>> What's Boule?
>
>Essentially, Ed, Knee-growze... but to the highly conscious bruhs and sistas..
.
I won't say how long I looked at this statement... but i finally got it..
Tracey "who was clueless a little too long" Mitchell
Michael R. Hicks
> What's Boule?
Essentially, Ed, Knee-growze... but to the highly conscious bruhs and sistas...
what's the point? The community is too diverse... you're going to have people
of different comportments and persuasions...
Y'all are wrong, folx... y'all might not want to things the way they do,
but y'all don't have to blast 'em out, either... people have the right to
their opinion, but... don't trip.
-----------------
Michael R. Hicks
Louisville, KY
a "new jack scholar"...
PHI NU PI
>JESSE JACKSON (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi, ???)
>RON BROWN
>ELAINE LOCKE
>DOUGLAS WILDER (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi)
>VERNON JORDAN (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi)
>ASA HILLIARD! (Allegedly joined in 1993, Other affiliations ???)
Alleged members:
Clifton Wharton (Dep. Sec. of State) he may not hold this post anymore
Colin Powell
Uncle Tom Bradley (Ex. mayor of Los Angeles)
The fat guy that was mayor of Atlanta. Maynard ?
Kurt Schmoke (sp) Mayor of Baltimore
Earl Graves of black enterprise
Robert Johnson - BET (actually should be NET "negro entertainment
television")
These folks are all members of the Sigma Pi Phi Fraternity...a.k.a. the
"Boule." I'm sure they all have several things in common. they all have
college degrees, they all (probably) have graduate degrees, they are all
black, they are all men, they all seem to be over 5'6" tall, etc. WHAT THE
HELL IS THE POINT!!
Mike
UNC-Chapel Hill
VOODOO
HENRY MINTON (Founder 1904-Philadelphia)
ANDREW YOUNG (Other affiliations Tri-Lateral Commission,CFR)
RANDALL ROBINSON (Trans-Africa,CFR,Trustee of Rockefellor Foundation)
HUGH PERKINS
JESSE JACKSON (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi, ???)
RON BROWN
ELAINE LOCKE
DOUGLAS WILDER (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi)
VERNON JORDAN (Other affiliations Omega Psi Phi)
ASA HILLIARD! (Allegedly joined in 1993, Other affiliations ???)
LEON SULLIVAN (General Motors)
ROBERT MOTON
W.E.B. DUBOIS
EMETT SCOTT
CLIFTON WHARTON (Dep. Sec. of State) he may not hold this post anymore
COLIN POWEL
UNCLE TOM BRADELY (Ex. mayor of Los Angeles)
The fat guy that was mayor of Atlanta. Maynard ?
KURT SCHMOKE (sp) Mayor of Baltimore
EARL GRAVES (black enterprise)
ROBERT JOHNSON - BET (actually should be NET "negro entertainment
television")
PHI NU PI
supporting evidence) has done very little to convince me. Let me first
say that I agree with the general premise of most of the comments you have
posted. White folks definetely have a "system" in place that keeps the
black community ynder its foot. Unfortunately, we as a people contribute
greatly to the maintanance of that system.
However, pointing to various black colleges and fraternal organizations
(most notably the BOULE) as some type of conspiracy bound Unle Tom groups
is not only counter-porductive to positive change but in a word
"in-accurate."
I iwll be the first to say that Black colleges and fraternities are not
living up to their community responsibilities as well as they could be.
Too often attempts at getting good jobs (with white companies of course),
moving to the suburbs, partying, etc. have become the things we associate
with black college and fraternal life. But there is another side to both
of these entities. Some of our most progressive and revolutionary
Brothers and Sisters have (and are!!) coming out of these institutions.
Folks like Kwame Toure (Howard U.), Malik Zulu Shabazz (young bro from
Howard U.), and Louis Farrakhan (Winston-Salem State) have all emerged
from our nations historically black universities. Other leaders/educators
like Huey P. Newton (PHI BETA SIGMA), Khallid Muhammed (OMEGA PSI PHI),
and Anthony Browder (ALPHA PHI ALPHA) havae emerged from the so-called
Black "Greek" system (which we know deep down is just the Egyptian Mystery
System!).....Point is this, we have had both good leaders and the uncle
tom type emerge out of black colleges and/or fraternities. IT'S NOT THE
INSTITUTION/ORGANIZATION THAT MAKE THESE MEN/WOMEN UNCLE TOMS ITS THE
WHITE SUPREMACIST ATTITUDE FOSTERED AND ACCEPTED IN THE SOCIETY WE LIVE
IN. These organizations can either be used as instruments of change, or
instruments to further our destruction.......Which will it be???
Sincerely,
Mike Jennings
Grad Student, UNC-Chapel Hill
Member, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
tch...@cyberenet.net
wrote:
Well Mr. Phi Nu Pi its funny that you wrote what you did being that Kappa
Alpha Nu, which wanted to be the Kappa Chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha had to be
rescued by a white organization named Phi Nu Pi and that there are a number
of white kappas in your midst.
If you knew anything about the boule, or shall I call it by its real name,
Sigma Pi Phi, it was founded in Philly on May 4, 1904 making it the first
black greek lettered fraternity. The men who later went on to become the
Alpha chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha wanted to form a collegiate chapter of
SIgma Pi Phi but were not permitted by this "Black aristocracy."
I bet that you don't even know the full greek alphabet (read stolen out of
North Africa's five mystery systems) or what the letters truly represent.
Additionally, the collegiate frats were based on tenets from the Prince
Hall Masons which is a bastardization of the Scottish Rites and Kings
Yorkshire (read white) houses of masonry which were a bastardization of
what was stolen out of Egypt. If you knew anything about their rituals you
would understand the significance of crossing the burning sands (it wasn't
for black folk you know) and what reaching the 33rd degree allows you to do
as a white person (which is to go back and fellowship and learn from your
father and brother the African) but then again if you were a member of one
of the real houses of masonry or the boule you would vehemently deny these
things.
Its best to finally graduate out of something with a bit of knowledge then
go around spouting like a goddamed idiot.
Have a nice day.
VOODOO
>All this conspiracy theory talk regarding the BOULE (and so called
>supporting evidence) has done very little to convince me. Let me first
>say that I agree with the general premise of most of the comments you have
>posted. White folks definetely have a "system" in place that keeps the
>black community ynder its foot. Unfortunately, we as a people contribute
>greatly to the maintanance of that system.
Okay fine. If you don't see the Boule' as one of the major buffer
zones between the white power structure and the Black masses, then I
guess you just don't see it. We'll just leave it that.
>However, pointing to various black colleges and fraternal organizations
>(most notably the BOULE) as some type of conspiracy bound Unle Tom groups
>is not only counter-porductive to positive change but in a word
>"in-accurate."
>I iwll be the first to say that Black colleges and fraternities are not
>living up to their community responsibilities as well as they could be.
>Too often attempts at getting good jobs (with white companies of course),
>moving to the suburbs, partying, etc. have become the things we associate
>with black college and fraternal life. But there is another side to both
>of these entities. Some of our most progressive and revolutionary
>Brothers and Sisters have (and are!!) coming out of these institutions.
>Folks like Kwame Toure (Howard U.), Malik Zulu Shabazz (young bro from
>Howard U.), and Louis Farrakhan (Winston-Salem State) have all emerged
>from our nations historically black universities. Other leaders/educators
>like Huey P. Newton (PHI BETA SIGMA), Khallid Muhammed (OMEGA PSI PHI),
>and Anthony Browder (ALPHA PHI ALPHA) havae emerged from the so-called
>Black "Greek" system (which we know deep down is just the Egyptian Mystery
>System!).....Point is this, we have had both good leaders and the uncle
>tom type emerge out of black colleges and/or fraternities.
Point well taken, however how many of these conscious Afrikans will
give credit to their Fraternity or Historically Black university as
being responsible for cultivating their concsciousness. How does
Khalled feal about the Ques, Malik feel about Howard U., Kwame Toure
about Howard U. and Anthony Browder about the Alphas?
And how is it Egyptian Mystery system ... Greek? We are copying whites
who copied Africans. It matters what is taught in that
system...right? If WE were learning egyptian mystery system in
Fraternities we would have long since dropped the GREEK letters right?
>IT'S NOT THE
>INSTITUTION/ORGANIZATION THAT MAKE THESE MEN/WOMEN UNCLE TOMS ITS THE
>WHITE SUPREMACIST ATTITUDE FOSTERED AND ACCEPTED IN THE SOCIETY WE LIVE
>IN.
The institutions are designed and molded directly or indirectly by the
white supremacist machine. So that they can produced the Uncle Tom
Negroes. Those you have listed above are the exception, the ones who
broke free.
>These organizations can either be used as instruments of change, or
>instruments to further our destruction.......Which will it be???
They should be instruments of our change ... shouldn't they?
Perhaps WE can start by dropping the GREEK letters and stop giving
the Greeks the credit they don't deserve?
>Sincerely,
>Mike Jennings
>Grad Student, UNC-Chapel Hill
>Member, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
Sincerely
VOODOO
Member, Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.
Dready
>vka...@in.net (VOODOO) wrote:
ALPHA BETA BOULE'
Virginia
Founded April 4, 1941
Regular Meeting: Second Friday of each month
Dr. Walton M. Belle
2901 Brook Rd., Richmond VA 23220
Mr. Thomas C. Bridge
20700 Fourth Ave., Ettrick VA 23803
Dr. William C. Calloway
1302 Dubous Ave., Richmond Va 23220
Dr. Charles E. Cummings
3007 Brook Rd., Richmond Va 23227
Dr. Bernardin F. Dabney
5920 Woodpecker Rd., Chesterfield, Va 23832
Mr. Manuel Deese
3912 Wainfleet Dr., Richmond, Va 23235-1037
Mr. Curtis C. Duke
20006 Oakland Ave., Rt. 1, Colonial Height, Va 23834
Mr. Jesse Edward Fleming
3221 Woodrow Ave., Richmond, Va 23222
Dr. David H. French
P.O. 132, Barboursville, Va 22923
Dr. Franklin J. Gayles
2601 Norwood Ct., Richmond, Va 23222
Dr. Fred Chiles Green
P.O. Box 687, Lawrenceville, Va 23868
Dr. Wilbert T. Greenfield
P.O. Box 263, Virginia State Univ., Petersburg, Va 23803
Mr. Robert M. Hendrick, Jr.
Box 7007, Ettrick, Va 23803
Mr. Vernard W. Henley
P.O. Box 10046, Richmond, Va 23240
Mr. Oliver W. Hill, Jr
2333 Brook Rd., Richmond, Va 23220-1510
Dr. John J. Howlette
2402 Hawthorne Ave., Richmond, Va 23222
Dr. Samuel Boykin Hunter
3001 Douglasdale Rd., Richmond, Va 23225
Dr. Allix B. James
2956 Hathaway Rd., Richmond, Va 23225
Mr. Calvin Donnell Jamison
2901 Cove Ridge Rd., Midlothian, Va 23112
Dr. Harry A. Johnson
4312 W. River Rd., Ettrick, Va 23803
Dr. Norris J. Johnson
20312 College Park Ave., Ettrick, Va 23803
Dr. William R. Johnson
1001 Spottswood Rd., Richmond, VA 23220
Dr. Thomas H. E. Jones
Totaro Heights, P.O. Box 31, Lawrenceville, Va 23868
Mr. Abbot J. Lambert
8317 Fulham Court, Richmond, Va 23227
The Hon. Benjamin J. Lambert III
3109 Noble Ave., Richmond, Va 23222
Leonard Warden Lambert, Esq.
812 Coleridge Lane, Richmond, Va 23229
Mr. Edward Long
P.O. Box 302, Lawrenceville, Va 23868
Dr. Samuel A. Madden
5930 Woodpecker Rd., Chesterfield, Va 23832-6023
Mr. John F. Mapp, Jr.
4207 Corbin St., Richmond, Va 23222
The Hon. Henry L. Marsh III
3211 Quey St., Richmond, Va 23223
Dr. Earl H. McClenney
Forest Hill, Box 87, Lawrenceville, Va 23868
Dr. Clifton F. Nelson
Totaro Heights, Lawrenceville, Va 23803
Dr. James C. Nelson
4526 W. River Rd., Petersburg, Va 23803
Dr. Freddie Warren Nicholas, Sr.
3207 Dupuy Rd., Ettrick, Va 23803
Dr. Frank S. Royal
209 Oxford Circle E., Richmond, Va 23221
Dr. Harry W. Royal
P.O. Box 26524, Richmond, Va 23261
Dr. Alvin J. Schexnider
8309 Wigmore Court, Richmond, Va 23227
The Hon. James E. Sheffield, Esq.
5612 Beddington Rd., Richmond, Va 23234
Dr. S. Dallas Simmons (VUU Pres.)
1200 West Graham Rd., Richmond, Va 23230
Judge James R. Spencer
12613 Wild Lake Dr., Richmond, Va 23233
Dr. Calvin H. Thigpen
19801 Oakland Ave., Colonial Heights, Va 23834
Mr. Joseph E. Thompson
P.O. Box 132, Lawrenceville, Va 23868
Dr. William S. Thornton
2606 Brook Rd., Richmond, Va 23220
Dr. Charles H. Townes
20009 Oakland Ave., Colonial Heights, Va 23834
Dr. James F. Tucker
8506 Ironington Terr., Richmond, Va 23227
Dr. Stephen F. Vaughan
2017 Dodson Rd., Petersburg, Va 23805
Ronald R. Wesley, Esq.
P.O. Box 2034, Ashland, Va 23005
The Hon. Lawrence D. Wilder
3215 Hawthorne Ave., Richmond, Va 23222
Robert W. Anderson
: All this conspiracy theory talk regarding the BOULE (and so called
: supporting evidence) has done very little to convince me. Let me first
: say that I agree with the general premise of most of the comments you have
: posted. White folks definetely have a "system" in place that keeps the
: black community ynder its foot. Unfortunately, we as a people contribute
: greatly to the maintanance of that system.
: However, pointing to various black colleges and fraternal organizations
: (most notably the BOULE) as some type of conspiracy bound Unle Tom groups
: is not only counter-porductive to positive change but in a word
: "in-accurate."
Read up on WEB Dubouis. You'll be suprised. Also, Tony Brown eludes to these
Uncle Tom elitist in the early part of his book, "Black Lies - White Lies".
: Too often attempts at getting good jobs (with white companies of course),
: moving to the suburbs, partying, etc. have become the things we associate
: with black college and fraternal life...
Is this really something *we* too often associate with Black colleges? The
things that come to mind when I think of HBCU students and alumni usually
aren't too positive. I've hung out at Hampton and Norfolk State. I even took
a summer session course at Norfolk State - what a joke! Maybe I'm being
hypnotized by my Rutgers/Duke education?
__________________________________________
Robert Wesley Anderson __O__
Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center \ V|/
rw...@acpub.duke.edu |:[]
weba...@www.canctr.mc.duke.edu |||
http://www.duke.edu/~rwa1 ^~^
Chuck
writes:
>
>> All this conspiracy theory talk regarding the BOULE (and so called
>> supporting evidence) has done very little to convince me. Let me
first
>> say that I agree with the general premise of most of the comments
you have
>> posted. White folks definetely have a "system" in place that keeps
the
>> black community ynder its foot. Unfortunately, we as a people
contribute
>> greatly to the maintanance of that system.
>>
>> However, pointing to various black colleges and fraternal
organizations
>> (most notably the BOULE) as some type of conspiracy bound Unle Tom
groups
>> is not only counter-porductive to positive change but in a word
>> "in-accurate."
>>
not
>> living up to their community responsibilities as well as they could
be.
course),
>> moving to the suburbs, partying, etc. have become the things we
associate
both
>> of these entities. Some of our most progressive and revolutionary
>> Brothers and Sisters have (and are!!) coming out of these
institutions.
>> Folks like Kwame Toure (Howard U.), Malik Zulu Shabazz (young bro
from
>> Howard U.), and Louis Farrakhan (Winston-Salem State) have all
emerged
>> from our nations historically black universities. Other
leaders/educators
>> like Huey P. Newton (PHI BETA SIGMA), Khallid Muhammed (OMEGA PSI
PHI),
>> and Anthony Browder (ALPHA PHI ALPHA) havae emerged from the
so-called
>> Black "Greek" system (which we know deep down is just the Egyptian
Mystery
>> System!).....Point is this, we have had both good leaders and the
uncle
THE
>> INSTITUTION/ORGANIZATION THAT MAKE THESE MEN/WOMEN UNCLE TOMS ITS
THE
>> WHITE SUPREMACIST ATTITUDE FOSTERED AND ACCEPTED IN THE SOCIETY WE
LIVE
change, or
>> instruments to further our destruction.......Which will it be???
>>
>> Mike Jennings
>> Grad Student, UNC-Chapel Hill
>> Member, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
>
Kappa
>Alpha Nu, which wanted to be the Kappa Chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha had
to be
>rescued by a white organization named Phi Nu Pi and that there are a
number
>of white kappas in your midst.
>
>If you knew anything about the boule, or shall I call it by its real
name,
>Sigma Pi Phi, it was founded in Philly on May 4, 1904 making it the
first
>black greek lettered fraternity. The men who later went on to become
the
>Alpha chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha wanted to form a collegiate chapter
of
>SIgma Pi Phi but were not permitted by this "Black aristocracy."
>
thrown around a lot lately, it is simply not true. The original aim of
Alpha Phi Alpha was to become a part of the Masonic organization, not
Sigma Pi Phi. But due to the ages that would be involved and the
varying "maturity" levels, the suggestion was made to start an
organization specifically geared towards black college men. Hence the
creation of Alpha Phi Alpha.
>I bet that you don't even know the full greek alphabet (read stolen
out of
>North Africa's five mystery systems) or what the letters truly
represent.
>Additionally, the collegiate frats were based on tenets from the
Prince
>Hall Masons which is a bastardization of the Scottish Rites and Kings
>Yorkshire (read white) houses of masonry which were a bastardization
of
>what was stolen out of Egypt. If you knew anything about their
rituals you
>would understand the significance of crossing the burning sands (it
wasn't
>for black folk you know) and what reaching the 33rd degree allows you
to do
>as a white person (which is to go back and fellowship and learn from
your
>father and brother the African) but then again if you were a member of
one
>of the real houses of masonry or the boule you would vehemently deny
these
>things.
>
Ahh, I see the point of your argument here. By saying someone will
deny it, and when it actually happens, your point is proven? Right.
Well, first of all, too many people put too much stock in the 33rd
degree of Masonry. In reality, it has nothing to do with Masonry. It
was made up, like a lot of other degrees and rituals that we find
today. If you want to know about the real point of Masonry, look at
degrees 1 through 3 (E.A., F.C., & M.M.), then go to the Royal Arch.
There you will find the essence of Masonry. You might peek in the
shrine, but you may not like what you see. But, Prince Hall is not a
bastardaztion of anything. If you truly knew how the Prince Hall
masonic order was formed, you would never make such a statement. Let
me ask you this, who are the original Master Masons? Where did they
come from and how did they develop their secret order? Now, I know.
But the question is do you, and given the comment about Prince Hall, my
guess is that you have misinformation.
>Its best to finally graduate out of something with a bit of knowledge
then
>go around spouting like a goddamed idiot.
>
>Have a nice day.
Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't?
--
Peace and Be Wild
-------------------------------
Did u ever feel like life was like looking 4 a penny in a large
room with no lights?
Art Clemons
In article <4cusbe$7...@news.duke.edu> Robert W. Anderson wrote:
>Date: 9 Jan 1996 23:05:18 GMT
>From: rw...@acpub.duke.edu (Robert W. Anderson)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
>Subject: Re: BOULE LIST
>
>PHI NU PI (phi...@aol.com) wrote:
>: All this conspiracy theory talk regarding the BOULE (and so called
>: supporting evidence) has done very little to convince me. Let me first
>: say that I agree with the general premise of most of the comments you
> have
>: posted. White folks definetely have a "system" in place that keeps the
>: black community ynder its foot. Unfortunately, we as a people contribute
>: greatly to the maintanance of that system.
>
>: However, pointing to various black colleges and fraternal organizations
>: (most notably the BOULE) as some type of conspiracy bound Unle Tom groups
>: is not only counter-porductive to positive change but in a word
>: "in-accurate."
>
> these
>Uncle Tom elitist in the early part of his book, "Black Lies - White Lies".
The Niagra movement's belief in the talented tenth, and the ability of that
tenth to compete with whites is still reflected in the belief that education
is the only road to success in this country. The competing belief in
vocational training (which is what HBCUs were mostly set up to do) has
disappeared.
>
>: Too often attempts at getting good jobs (with white companies of course),
>: moving to the suburbs, partying, etc. have become the things we associate
>: with black college and fraternal life...
>
>
>Is this really something *we* too often associate with Black colleges? The
>things that come to mind when I think of HBCU students and alumni usually
>aren't too positive. I've hung out at Hampton and Norfolk State. I even
> took
>a summer session course at Norfolk State - what a joke! Maybe I'm being
>hypnotized by my Rutgers/Duke education?
>
Yet, when you look at the successful white graduates of Ivy League schools,
they too partied, joined fraternities, and got involved in informal networks.
That networking and social fraternization apparently sometimes pays off.
Few African Americans at ivy league universities bothered with such things,
and African American alumni associations are weak to put it mildly.
Unfortunately, that lack of a network all too often makes one compete with
people who have lots of "fraternity" brothers finding out about openings, or
referring potential clients, or a wide variety of other things. Face it,
employers probably are looking more at the fact that a potential employee can
learn to deal with the company's needs rather coming in trained. Few college
or grad courses actually make an employee ready to work. However, finding
out about openings, or whom to get a reccomendation from is a valuable aid in
being successful. College placement offices don't exactly shine when it
comes to finding good jobs for African Americans. Fifteen years from now,
whether you partied every chance you got, or lived in the library, you
probably won't be using the things that you learned in college. Please note
that I'm not criticizing hard work to get into grad, med or law school,
merely pointing out that the last place graduate from Rinky Dink Medical
College and Broom Pushing school still gets called doctor.
acle...@gnn.com (Art Clemons)
Robert W. Anderson
: In article <4cusbe$7...@news.duke.edu>,
: Robert W. Anderson <rw...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
: >
: >Is this really something *we* too often associate with Black colleges? The
: >things that come to mind when I think of HBCU students and alumni usually
: >aren't too positive.
: Now on to the matters at hand. Being an alumnus of an HBCU and comming
: from a family that has a strong HBCU tradition. I take exception to
: your comment. Could you please explain why you seem to have such a
: negative perception of HBCU's and those who are sudents and graduates
: of these instutions?
What's up, Darryl. It's good to hear from you. How are you managing on the
ole *plantation*.
My view of HBCU students/alumni is simply based on my own experience. I also
know other Black people who have similar views. I'm not against HBCU's; I
support them. My point is that when I think of HBCU's in general, I hardly
make the association to affluent successful Blacks.
PHI NU PI
clearly you! As to your personal attack on myself and my fraternity I
think you need to first go to your nearest library and read up on the
history of Kappa Alpha Psi before you begin to commet upon it. the
founders of Kappa Alpha Psi had NO intention of being members of Alpha Phi
Alpha. In fact if you read p. 21(xxi) of the prologue to "The story of
Kappa Alpha Psi" then you would see that two of the founders of Kappa
rejected membership in Alpha Phi Alpha (while attending Howard U) and
founded their own fraternity at Indiana University. As far as affiliation
with a frat called PHI NU PI you are completely in the dark and need to
search for more light?? No such frat existed at that time and I doubt if
one exist now. the most comprehensive listing of fraternitys (Baird's
Manual) does not list such a fraternity as ever existing in the history of
American collegiate life. So where did that rubbish come from?? As far
as white Kappas, yes they do exist and I'm not wholly in favor of that.
Most "black" organizations, schools, clubs etc. have at least a few white
members in their midst if for no other reason than it is difficult legally
to keep them out.
Geez and I thought it was all about service to the community...I guess
that has excaped you revisionist historian types!!!
Sincerely,
Mike J.
Robert W. Anderson
: >My view of HBCU students/alumni is simply based on my own experience. I also
: >know other Black people who have similar views. I'm not against HBCU's; I
: >support them. My point is that when I think of HBCU's in general, I hardly
: >make the association to affluent successful Blacks.
: Hmmm oh really. Well I suggest you check out the CIAA tourney next
: month. I've never seen so many affluent successful blacks gathered
: in one place at any other time in my life. And 99% are HBCU alumns.
: I may be wrong and kinda out dated but aren't most of the black
: middle class products of HBCU's? I know for a fact that HBCU's
: put more black officers in the military than predominately white
: colleges...
In fact during my 10 plus years as an Army reserve officer,
: well over 90% percent of the black officers I've served with or come
: in contact with, are graduates of HBCU's. Oh well enough of the military
: thing...
My brother and his fiance are captains in the usaf. He went to vmi and she
went to uga. He has Black friends who are officers and some of them went to
hbcu's, but most went to white schools. I don't know the us stats on all
Black officers. My original point was in fact a question. I questioned
whether affluence is attributed to graduates of Black Colleges.
: Let's look at the major players in the Civil rights movement.
: Just about all of them were HBCU grads. IN fact as I sit here typing,
: I can't think of one that wasn't.
You're refering to and very small percent of HBCU graduates. MLK is not your
typical Morehouse grad. Without researching it, I'll agree that the Black
leaders of the civil rights movement were predominately linked to HBCU's.
I'm not sure how wise it is to assume that the students of HBCU's in the
1950/60's are the same types of students who are attending now.
: To bring it closer to home. I grew up inone of the first all black middle
: class neighborhoods here in Durham. The vast majority of these folks were
: HBCU grads also...
Most of these HBCU grads probably couldn't go to any other school, so
there was no signicant distinction btw Black people attending white colleges
and Black people attending Black colleges. Let's do math... I guess you're
about 30, so that would likely place your parents in college in the late to
mid 60's. How many Black people in North Carolina *could/would/did* go the
UNC, NC.State, Duke, Campbell, etc during or before that time?
: I could go on and on and on and on, but I think you get my point. I'm
: still kinda puzzled at how you could have this perception while living
: right here in Durham...
The more I continue to take issue with this, the more it's going to sound
like I'm against Black colleges - for which I am not. I pass NC Central
every day. I go to some of the football games and track meets. I live close
to the school. Every year one student shoots another. You probably know
about that. I've seen fights - one time eight men deep! I won't even talk
about Norfolk State.
I know there are positives, but the negatives jump out at me. My cousin
did law school at NC Central; he's doing very well in dc. I know that the
graduates from their law school have a hell of a time passing the NC state
bar relative to law students at white schools in north carolina.
Finally, I know a few sisters in this area who either went to NC Central or
NC A&T. They're cool and everything, but affluence is not what comes to mind
when I think of them. ;^)
: Peace........ and be carefull of all the ice. Northerners love to
: tease us about not being able to drive inthe snow...
hahaha. i'm from staten island, ny and kinda wish i was there now. north
carolinians speed on snow and ice! God, help me get home safe today!
--
Kenneth R. Crudup
>Come on up and play in winter's wonderland
Naaah, that's a'ight ....
(I feel for any brotha who lives in an even worse place than I do ....)
-Kenny
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A.J. Rawls
>Peace........ and be careful of all the ice. Northerners love to
>tease us about not being able to drive in the snow. I'll concede that
>point to them, but I don't give a damn if you're from Alaska, you can't
>drive on no damn ice, like it's all that.
Wrong...
I just came back from a shopping trip, the roads are icy (as they are
for at least six months of the year) and it's -20F out.
Come on up and play in winter's wonderland
A.J.
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Art Clemons
In article <DL6sI...@world.std.com> Kenneth R. Crudup wrote:
>n article <4d9rn5$p...@byatt.alaska.net>, and...@alaska.net (A.J. Rawls)
> says:
>
>
>
>(I feel for any brotha who lives in an even worse place than I do ....)
>
Well, avoid Montana at all costs! At least in Alaska there's something to
do part of the year.
acle...@gnn.com (Art Clemons)
A.J. Rawls
>In article <4d9rn5$p...@byatt.alaska.net>, and...@alaska.net (A.J. Rawls) says:
>>Come on up and play in winter's wonderland
>Naaah, that's a'ight ....
>(I feel for any brotha who lives in an even worse place than I do ....)
Worse than Boston?? Is there anywhere that's worse than Boston?
Think about it... There are three world class ski areas within an hour
of my house.. And the best fishing anywhere (of course, if you want to
go dancing you might have to hop a plane to Seattle).
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