The truth of Islaemic society
Juan Sánchez
I just want to tell something about the muslim culture , as a spanish and
occidental , first I want to say that there isn´t any society in the world
which could support violence as the way to build a country and less to
survive more than 1800 years as islaemic do .
I studied for long this civilitation and ofv course it´s not a murder
society.
first; this society comes from old byble´s books , as christians that´s why
it´s not very correct to say that our life conception is so different ,
because comes from the same root .
well, once explained this I want to tell all of you that islaemic society
are confused , because they don´t understand the new world order , where
laycism own of the christian society domain .
These movements are the result of that feeling which reacts with hate to
be part of a world, that don´t recognice the primacy of religion in a
country .
I know that I haven´t been very clear with this , In that case sorry .
I must say something else about it ,this society was , near IV century
A.JC, one of the less violent societies ( coran accepted divorce, in Europe
no ) , but they didn´t incorporate to their religion principles with comes
from freedom , individualism and roman right , because for them nothing can
come out coran , Mahoma wishies .
OIsrael1948
Dear Amigo, ALL islamic societies that experienced periods of
peace did so because they had completed the bloody conquest
of mon-muslim societies within reach.
Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist proseletizers were, for the most
part, persons who went forth with philosophies and their textbooks.
ALL MOSLEM lands are muslim today because they were converted
at the point of the sword. If you are familiar, as you claim to be,
with Islamic history and the Koran, then you know that the Koran
commands all muslims to either convert non-muslims or to kill them.
Yes, there were Jewish and even Christian pockets "permitted" in
muslim lands throughout history. But this is because, as the
Koran commands: Those Christians and Jews had to formally
acknowledge the absolute supremacy and superiority of Islam.
Quran:
[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are
thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that
they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
[22:19-22] But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire
will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their
heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too,
will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in
their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back
therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into
the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their
heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[58:5] Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled
to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down
Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty
Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and
Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim
The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they
do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf
except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book,
until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in
a state of subjection.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with
those who guard (against evil).
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this
world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah,
then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty
reward.
[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in
wait for them in every stratagem
> Mohammed was quoted as saying
> "I have been ordered to fight with the people
> till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah".
> Al-Bukhari vol: 1:25
Amigo, despite what Peter Jennings and other TV morons
who have NEVER in their entire lives actually glanced at
what Islam actually teaches, bin Laden is one of the few
Muslims who actually practice Islam without any apologies.
When you hear your television personalities mouthing the
utter lies about Islam being a religion of peace... you're
are listening to parrots parroting other parrots and not
to persons who have actually looked into the truth of it:
The truth is ugly, yes, but I would rather work with the truth
than to delude myself ... because it's a harsh world out there.
What you are witnessing when you hear anyone espousing about
the love and peace of Islam is the equivalent of believing
that the ability of Catholics to divorce is one of the virtues
of Roman Catholicism: Yes, there are many divorced Catholics
out there, but they divorced against the teachings of the Church.
And, yes, there are many Muslims who do not practice murder of
mon-muslims... but they too are doing so against the teachings
of Islam--And they are condemned to Hell by Islam in the Koran
for that ... even if not by every muslim on earth.
Just because Islam is the official religion of millions
it doesn't mean that million practice it, any more than
just because Christianity is the religion of million
every Christian practices it. It would be Paradise if
every Christian practiced his religion, and it would indeed
prove Hell on earth if every Muslim practiced his.
But read the muslim "bible" yourself. There will not remain
any doubt in your mind why the "religions" schools in
Pakistan producing all those Talibans (whose SOLE corriculum
is the Koran) produce nothing but graduates Hell-bent on murder.
Nor will you need to look further for why Palestinian children
dance at the World Trade Center murders to the approval of
all the adults around them... until Arafat realized what bad PR
it made in mon-muslim countries and ordered all reporting of it
to cease on pain of death.
The founder of Christianity was a man of peace who
advocated and practiced love and forgiveness. Christians
who murder and hate are going against their religion.
Today most Christians even condemn the Crusaders who went
to try to help the Christian communities in the holy land
that were being butchered and enslaved by the muslims!
This is why Christianity does nothing but advocate love and
forgiveness against ALL peoples, whether Christians or no.
But the founder of Islam was a bloody military conqueror
who practiced child molestation. (His "wife" was nine years
old--Now do you begin to understand why Islam treats women
like animals? Can you really imagine how such a monster
could have reconciled respect for women with his sexual
abuse of a nine year old little girl?). Exactly what kind
of philosophy could you really have expected such a "human"
monster as the prophet Mohammed to come up with?
Well, read the Koran, and find out.
There is no end to the propaganda abroad that Islam is
a "religion of peace." Yes, the peace of the grave: Just
look carefully at history and you will find out that all
this talk of peace and love concerns peace and love AMONG
muslims AFTER non-muslims are all butchered. You will learn
that muslims were the first practitioners and advocates of
genocide... and STILL ARE, or ask the Israelis.
The problem is that there are so many muslims in the world.
They are a powerful segment of the world. Just like the
Communist world was a powerful segment of the world. And
just as civilized people had to suffer great atrocities by
the communists without being able to strike back in kind
so too will we now have to suffer the terrorism of islam
without really being able to strike back in kind. Prepare
yourselves for that, because all this brave talk of
punishment and retaliation is just that: empty brave talk.
That's the sad reality here: There will be some blows
against some of the most egregious terrorist cells, but
in the end, Islam itself... the real cause of the terrorism
will be left pristine and untouched. (Remember that bin Laden
and people like him are not after the destruction of Israel
as their main goal, but are attacking America because they
see the presence of any non-muslim in the Arabian peninsula
as the highest insult to Islam.) That is what true Islam
thinks of mon-muslims... non-human creatures so polluted
that their mere presence and existence is absolutely unbearable.
And now you understand why the entire Muslim world cannot bear
the presence of Jews in their own land, regardless its borders
(as long as it is so close to them). What is truly mind-boggling
is how Israel can believe it can survive with a community of
a million "Israeli" muslims inside its borders! Their naivite
and ideals of compassion truly staggers the imagination.
And, amigo,
We all know who is really to blame for world terrorism, most
especially of all the US government. But no one will propose
that the world strike at them:
There are SPECIFIC persons in all Arab and muslim countries
who bankrolled this and all other acts of terror and the
terrorist organization, most especially of all in Saudi Arabia,
UAE, and Pakistan. Nothing will be done against them. They
shall go about their business as if nothing had happened.
There are Islamic so-called "charitable organizations" that
openly collect monies for terror organizations (that is: ALL
persons who give money to them know precisely where their
contributions are going). Only a few new meaningless legal
impediments will be placed in their way now ... and they will
ALL continue their work either underground or underground wink wink.
Some of these organization even operate in the US and europe!
Will the real sponsors of world terrorism really be punished?
Not in your lifetime, I'm afraid.
Yes, there will be military strikes against the really really
moronic Talibans and others like them. But that's not the brains
nor the heart and soul of world terrorism. The Talibans of the
world are merely convenient targets whose destructions will not
cause much of a ripple in the world. Ameriican politicos will be
able to claim they have avenged the World Trade Center massacre.
And we'll all go home with self-pats in the back WITHOUT once
really having touched the real sponsors of world terrorism.
And the really sad thing about this is that the US government
and others like them KNOW all this, and yet will still claim
their hollow victories --all political victories for home
consumption-- after they hit a few ragged morons in Afghanistan, etc.
Watch and learn the sad, sad ways of this world.
Kevin Haley
>
> Dear Amigo, ALL islamic societies that experienced periods of
> peace did so because they had completed the bloody conquest
> of mon-muslim societies within reach.
>
> Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist proseletizers were, for the most
> part, persons who went forth with philosophies and their textbooks.
> ALL MOSLEM lands are muslim today because they were converted
> at the point of the sword. If you are familiar, as you claim to be,
> with Islamic history and the Koran, then you know that the Koran
> commands all muslims to either convert non-muslims or to kill them.
>
>
> [4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
> We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are
> thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that
> they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
>
> therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into
> the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their
> heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Is this true? I admit that I am pretty ignorant of the Quran.
Are there any Islamic academics out there who can comment on
this statement? I would like some other viewpoints on this since
the poster might be biased based on his name.
IF this is indeed true, and IF the Quran calls for all those who
are not Muslim or who will not be converted to Islam to be killed,
then this disturbs me greatly.
Any religion - no matter what it is or where it comes from - that
puts no value on human life and advocates the killing of other
human beings is inherently evil, and, for those who believe in
Satan, would say it is the work of Satan. I am hoping very very
much that someone will come out and show that the above poster's
references to Islam are wrong.
incognito
www.chick.com ignore the pro christian dribble go to the islam section
you'll see what a violent and false religion it is.
You will also want to check out this site primarily, if focuses on the
specific verses in the Koran preaching violence.
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
Then, you might want to think logically, think about which religion is
responsible for 98% of world terrorism. Islam.
TR
VI THE MOSLEM CONQUEST
The weakening of India-Mahmud of Gbazni-The Sultanate of
Delhi-Its cultural asides-Its brutal policy-The lessson of
Indian history
The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in
history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that
civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and
liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians
invading from without or multiplying within. The Hindus had allowed
their strength to be wasted in internal division and war; they had
adopted religions like Buddhism and Jainism, which unnerved them for the
tasks of life; they had failed to organize their forces for the
protection of their frontiers and their capitals, their wealth and their
freedom, from the hordes of Scythians, Huns, Afghans and Turks hovering
about India's boundaries and waiting for national weakness to let them
in. For four hundred years (6oo-1ooo A.D.) India invited conquest; and
at last it came.
The first Moslem attack was a passing raid upon Multan, in the western
Punjab (664 A.D.) Similar raids occurred at the convenience of the
invaders during the next three centuries, with the result that the
Moslems established themselves in the Indus valley about the same time
that their Arab co-religionists in the West were fighting the battle of
Tours (732 A.D.) for the mastery of Europe. But the real Moslem conquest
of India did not come till the turn of the first millennium after
Christ.
In the year 997 a Turkish chieftain by the name of Mahmud became
sultan
of the little state of Ghazni, in eastern Afghanistan. Mahmud knew that
his throne was young and poor, and saw that India, across the border,
was old and rich; the conclusion was obvious. Pretending a holy zeal for
destroying Hindu idolatry, he swept across the frontier with a force
in-spired by a pious aspiration for booty. He met the unprepared Hindus
at Bhimnagar, slaughtered them, pillaged their cities, destroyed their
tem-ples, and carried away the accumulated treasures of centuries.
Returning to Ghazni he astonished the ambassadors of foreign powers by
displaying "jewels and unbored pearls and rubles shining like sparks, or
like wine congealed with ice, and emeralds like fresh sprigs of myrtle,
and diamonds in size and weight like pomegranates."" Each winter Mahmud
descended into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils, and amused
his men with full freedom to pillage and kill; each spring he returned
to his capital richer than before. At Mathura (on the Jumna) he took
from the temple its statues of gold encrusted with precious stones, and
emptied its coffers of a vast quantity of gold, silver and jewelry; he
expressed his admirationfor the architecture of the great shrine, judged
that its duplication would cost one hundred million dinars and the labor
of two hundred years, and then ordered it to be soaked with naphtha and
burnt to the ground." Six years later he sacked another opulent city of
northern India, Somnath, killed all its fifty thousand inhabitants, and
dragged its wealth to Ghazni. In the end he became, perhaps, the richest
king that history has ever known. Sometimes he spared the population of
the ravaged cities, and took them home to be sold as slaves; but so
great was the number of such captives that after some years no one could
be found to offer more than a few shillings for a slave. Before every
important engagement Mahmud knelt in prayer, and asked the blessing of
God upon his arms. He reigned for a third of a century; and when he
died, full of years and honors, Moslem historians ranked him as the
greatest monarch of his time, and one of the greatest sovereigns of any
age."
Seeing the canonization that success had brought to this magnificent
thief, other Moslem rulers profited by his example, though none
succeeded in bettering his instruction. In 1186 the Ghuri, a Turkish
tribe of Afghanistan, invaded India, captured the city of Delhi,
destroyed its temples, confiscated its wealth, and settled down in its
palaces to establish the Sultanate of Delhi-an alien despotism fastened
upon northern India for three centuries, and checked only by
assassination and revolt. The first of these bloody sultans, Kutb-d Din
Aibak, was a normal specimen of his kind-fanatical, ferocious and
merciless. His gifts, as the Mohammedan historian tells us, "were
bestowed by hundreds of thousands, and his slaughters likewise were by
hundreds of thousands." In one victory of this warrior (who had been
purchased as a slave), "fifty thousand men came under the collar of
slavery, and the plain became black as pitch with Hindus."" Another
sultan, Balban,. punished rebels and brigands by casting them under the
feet of elephants, or removing their skins, stuffing these with straw,
and hanging them from the gates of Delhi. When some Mongol inhabitants
who had settled in Delhi, and had been converted to Islam, attempted a
rising, Sultan Alau-d-din (the conquerer of Chitor) had all the
males-from fifteen to thirty thousand of them-slaughtered in one day.
Sultan Muhammad bin Tughlak acquired the throne by murdering his father,
became a great scholar and an elegant writer, dabbled in mathematics,
physics and Greek philosophy, surpassed his predecessors in bloodshed
and brutality, fed the flesh of a rebel nephew to the rebel's wife and
children, ruined the country with reckless inflation, and laid it waste
with pillage and murder till the inhabitants fled to the jungle. He
killed so many Hindus that, in the words of a Moslem historian, "there
was constantly in front of his royal pavilion and his Civil Court a
mound of dead bodies and a heap of corpses, while the sweepers and
executioners were wearied out by their work of dragging" the victims
"and putting them to death in crowds."" In order to found a new capital
at Daulatabad he drove every inhabitant from Delhi and left it a desert;
and hearing that a blind man had stayed behind in Delhi, he ordered him
to be dragged from the old to the new capital, so that only a leg
remained of the wretch when his last journey was finished.' The Sultan
complained that the people did not love him, or recognize his
undeviating Justice. He ruled India for a quarter of a century, and died
in bed. His successor, Firoz Shah, invaded Bengal, offered a reward for
every Hindu head, paid for 180,000 of them, raided Hindu villages for
slaves, and died at the ripe age of eighty. Sultan Ahmad Shah feasted
for three days whenever the number of defenseless Hindus slain in his
territories in one day reached twenty thousand.
These rulers were often men of ability, and their followers were gifted
with fierce courage and industry; only so can we understand how they
could have maintained their rule among a hostile people so
overwhelmingly outnumbering them. All of them were armed with a religion
militaristic in operation, but far superior in its stoical monotheism to
any of the popular cults of India; they concealed its attractiveness by
making the public exercise of the Hindu religions illegal, and thereby
driving them more deeply into the Hindu soul. Some of these thirsty
despots had culture as well as ability; they patronized the arts, and
engaged artists and artisans-usually of Hindu origin-to build for them
magnificent mosques and tombs; some of them were scholars, and delighted
'in converse with historians, poets and scientists. One of the greatest
scholars of Asia, Alberuni, accompanied Mahmud of Ghazni to India, and
wrote a scientific survey of India comparable to Pliny's Natural History
and Humboldt's Cosmos. The Moslem historians were almost as numerous as
the generals, and yielded nothing to them in the enjoyment of bloodshed
and war. The Sultans drew from the people every rupee of tribute that
could be exacted by the ancient art of taxation, as well as by
straightforward robbery; but they stayed in India, spent their spoils in
India, and thereby turned them back into India's economic life.
Nevertheless, their terrorism and exploitation advanced that weakening
of Hindu physique and morale which had been begun by an exhausting
climate, an inadequate diet, political disunity, and pessimistic
religions.
The usual policy of the Sultans was clearly sketched by Alau-d-din, who
required his advisers to draw up "rules and regulations for grinding
down the Hindus, and for depriving them of that wealth and property
which fosters disaffection and rebellion."' Half of the gross produce of
the soil was collected by the government; native rulers had taken one
sixth. "No Hindu," says a Moslem historian, "could hold up his head, and
in their houses no sign of gold or silver . . . or of any superfluity
was to be seen.... Blows, confinement in the stocks, imprisonment and
chains, were all employed to enforce payment." When one of his own
advisers protested against this policy, Alau-d-din answered: "Oh,
Doctor, thou art a learned man, but thou hast no experience; I am an
unlettered man, but I have a great deal. Be assured, then, that the
Hindus will never become submissive and obedient till they are reduced
to poverty. I have therefore given orders that just sufficient shall be
left to them from year to year of corn, milk and curds, but that they
shall not be allowed to accumulate hoards and property."'
This is the secret of the political history of modem India. Weakened by
division, it succumbed to invaders; impoverished by invaders, it lost
all power of resistance, and took refuge in supernatural consolations;
it argued that both mastery and slavery were superficial delusions, and
concluded that freedom of the body or the nation was hardly worth
defending in so brief a life. The bitter lesson that may be drawn from
this tragedy is that eternal vigilance is the price of civilization. A
nation must love peace, but keep its powder dry.
VII AKBAR THE GREAT
Tamerlane- Babur-Humayun -Akbar -His government-His
character-His patronage of the arts-His passion for philoso-
friendship for Hinduism and Cbristianity-His
new religion-The last days of Akbar
It is in the nature of governments to degenerate; for power, as Shelley
said, poisons every hand that touches it.' The excesses of the Delhi
Sultans lost them the support not only of the Hindu population, but of
their Moslem followers. When fresh invasions came from the north these
Sultans were defeated with the same ease with which they themselves had
won India.
Their first conqueror was Tamerlane himself-more properly Timur-i- Turk
who had accepted Islam as an admirable weapon, and had given himself a
pedigree going back to Genghis Khan, in order to win the support of his
Mongol horde. Having attained the throne of Samarkand and feeling the
need of more gold, it dawned upon him that India was still full of
infidels. His generals, mindful of Moslem courage, demurred, pointing
out that the infidels who could be reached from Samarkand were already
under Mohammedan rule. Mullahs learned in the Koran decided the matter
by quoting an inspiring verse: "Oh Prophet, make war upon infidels and
unbelievers, and treat them with severity."' Thereupon Timur crossed the
Indus (1398), massacred or enslaved such of the inhabitants as could not
flee from him, defeated the forces of Sultan Mahmud Tughlak, occupied
Delhi, slew a hundred thousand prisoners in cold blood, plundered the
city of all the wealth that the Afghan dynasty had gathered there, and
carried it off to Samarkand with a multitude of women and slaves,
leaving anarchy, famine and pestilence in his wake."
Sandar
http://users.erols.com/zenithco/quote1.html
HERE ARE SOME:
De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.
History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword
upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths
that historians have ever repeated.
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A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951
The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand
and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.
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Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,'
1840
"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round
this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."
"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to
kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."
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Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in 'Young India,'1924.
I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an
undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became
more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place
for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid
simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous
regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers,
his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in
his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before
them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume
(of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to
read of that great life.
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Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932.
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the
great Prophet of Arabia, who knew how he taught and how he lived, to
feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great
messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall
say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel,
whenever I reread them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of
reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.
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K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in 'Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,' 1989
My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not
generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time
need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The
theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any
quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that “there is no
compulsion in religion” is well known.
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Lawrence E. Browne in ‘The Prospects of Islam,’ 1944
Incidentally these well-established facts dispose of the idea so
widely fostered in Christian writings that the Muslims, wherever they
went, forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword.
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James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’
Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.
"No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has
widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the
sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an
is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience."
"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570
into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was
always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and
the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a
successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for
a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer recognizing
his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older,
he married her and as long as she lived remained a devoted husband."
“Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy
of serving as the transmitter of God’s word sensing his own
inadequacy. But the Angel commanded ‘Read’. So far as we
know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate
those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of
the earth: "There is one God"."
“In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his
beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred and rumors of God 's
personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have
announced, ‘An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish
to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human being'."
“At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but
the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the
hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history:
‘If there are any among you who worshiped Muhammad, he is dead.
But if it is God you Worshiped, He lives for ever'.”
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Edward Montet, 'La Propagande Chretienne et ses Adversaries
Musulmans,' Paris 1890. (Also in T.W. Arnold in 'The Preaching of
Islam,' London 1913.)
"Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the widest
sense of this term considered etymologically and historically....the
teachings of the Prophet, the Qur'an has invariably kept its place as
the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has
always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur a majesty, an
invariable purity and with a note of sure conviction, which it is hard
to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam....A creed so precise, so
stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so
accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess
and does indeed possess a marvelous power of winning its way into the
consciences of men."
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W. Montgomery Watt in 'Muhammad at Mecca,' Oxford, 1953.
His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral
character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a
leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his
fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more
problems that it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of
history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.... Thus, not
merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of
purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the
errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget the
conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of
plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with
difficulty.
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Rodwell in the Preface to his translation of the Holy Qur'an
Mohammad's career is a wonderful instance of the force and life that
resides in him who possesses an intense faith in God and in the unseen
world. He will always be regarded as one of those who have had that
influence over the faith, morals and whole earthly life of their
fellow men, which none but a really great man ever did, or can
exercise; and whose efforts to propagate a great verity will prosper.
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Jules Masserman in 'Who Were Histories Great Leaders?' in TIME
Magazine, July 15, 1974
Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammad, who combined
all the three functions. To a lesser degree Moses did the same.
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Arthur Glyn Leonard in 'Islam, Her Moral and Spiritual Values'
It was the genius of Muhammad, the spirit that he breathed into the
Arabs through the soul of Islam that exalted them. That raised them
out of the lethargy and low level of tribal stagnation up to the high
watermark of national unity and empire. It was in the sublimity of
Muhammad's deism, the simplicity, the sobriety and purity it
inculcated the fidelity of its founder to his own tenets, that acted
on their moral and intellectual fiber with all the magnetism of true
inspiration.
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Dr. William Draper in 'History of Intellectual Development of Europe'
Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca,
in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest
influence upon the human race... To be the religious head of many
empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may
perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God.
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Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In
History,' New York, 1978.
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most
influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by
others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely
successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable
that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than
the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.
...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious
influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most
influential single figure in human history.
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OIsrael1948
> >Is this true? I admit that I am pretty ignorant of the Quran.
> >Are there any Islamic academics out there who can comment on
> >this statement? I would like some other viewpoints on this since
> >the poster might be biased based on his name.
What I am is hard-nosed and implacably willing to face up to
the truth without regard to how politically incorrect it may be
to do it. But, know this: I do not wish to spread lies; so
if you find I have stated something not the truth, please do
point it out to me... that I may apologize for having done so.
> >IF this is indeed true, and IF the Quran calls for all those who
> >are not Muslim or who will not be converted to Islam to be killed,
> >then this disturbs me greatly.
> >
> >Any religion - no matter what it is or where it comes from - that
> >puts no value on human life and advocates the killing of other
> >human beings is inherently evil, and, for those who believe in
> >Satan, would say it is the work of Satan. I am hoping very very
> >much that someone will come out and show that the above poster's
> >references to Islam are wrong.
> >
> Why don't you buy a translation of the Koran, read it
> from cover to cover and think for yourself rather than believe
> what someone says about it.
No need to buy it: There are many Islamic and secular
websites all over the internet that have copies of the Koran:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
http://ishwar.com/holy_quran/
http://islam.org/mosque/quran/
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/
http://al-sunnah.com/
You can do any search on "Qur'an" or "Koran"
and find your own.
The point is that the text of the Koran is so readily
available that it would be self-defeating to falsify it
here.
> Would you judge the Bible by Mark 10:34-35 and other such verses?
Here are Mark 10:32-37. You will need to detail in which manner
is makes a judgment of the Bible negative, since it merely speaks
about Jesus's ability to predict what's going to be done to him:
MK 10:32 They were on their way up to Jerusalem, with Jesus
leading the way, and the disciples were astonished, while those
who followed were afraid. Again he took the Twelve aside and told
them what was going to happen to him. [33] "We are going up to
Jerusalem," he said, "and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the
chief priests and teachers of the law. They will condemn him to
death and will hand him over to the Gentiles, [34] who will
mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later
he will rise."
MK 10:35 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to him.
"Teacher," they said, "we want you to do for us whatever we ask."
MK 10:36 "What do you want me to do for you?" he asked.
MK 10:37 They replied, "Let one of us sit at your right and the
other at your left in your glory." ETC.
Perhaps you are not familiar enough with the Bible to understand
the difference between Jesus's prediction of what's going to be
done to him... and the Koran's many exhortations to the murder and
terrorism of non-muslims.
But, perhaps more telling still than anything else here:
I am the LORD...
ISA 44:25 who foils the signs of false prophets
MT 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you
in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
[16] By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick
grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? [17] Likewise
every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad
fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree
cannot bear good fruit. [19] Every tree that does not bear
good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [20] Thus,
by their fruit you will recognize them
When Mohammed raped a six year little girl ... neither he nor
those who proudly documented this mostrosity in his biography
realized how it would look to us: There are things that happen
in the world whose purpose only God knows. This might indeed be
one of them... since in our age child molestation is the most
mostrous crime any man can commit. And if this isn't a clear and
unambiguous sign that Mohammed was a man of unspeakable evil, then
there is no evil on the face of the earth nor has there ever been.
But one need only look at the bloody, criminal, and unspeakably
monstrous history of the military conquests of Islam... to
ascertain just how "bad" the fruits of Mohammed have truly been.
September 11, 2001 is really "small potatoes" in that history.
Truly: Expect worse. SO much worse that you can't even imagine
just how "bad" it will be.
O Israel 1948
---------------
> ...remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and
> sincerity is always subject to proof. JFK.
> ---------------
> TANSTAAFL
Please ask George Bush and everyone muslim or non-muslim
to please explain (and either embrace or repudiate the
following verses from the Koran):
[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are
thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that
they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
[22:19-22] But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire
will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their
heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too,
will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in
their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back
therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into
the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their
heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[58:5] Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled
From the Sunnah of the Prophet (the "other leg" of the Koran):
[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight
and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem
Look, I know it's ugly. I know it's not politically correct.
But we shall never get a hold of reality until such time
as we deal with the reality that IS instead of "some reality"
we'd like to be there. What you read above is the real Islam
being taught to all muslim-educated children. And if they do
not all turn into instant murderers and terrorists, then too
not all christian-educated children turn into instant men of
compassion and goodwill towards all men whether Christians or not.
I am not calling for the destruction or murder of muslims, but
only for, finally, a demand that muslims address those portions
of the Koran that call for the sort of terrorism we have seen
in New York as well as throughout history against non-muslims:
Can you imagine a seminary whose only text is the four Gospels
turning out any sort of person but those devoted to helping
all peoples of the earth of whatever faith? Well, the only text
of the Pakistani Taliban seminaries is the Koran, and look at
what sort of people they "graduate" from them. Such monstrous
hatred and love of war and terrorism against strangers and
foreigners need no other additional texts to be learned but
the Koran. And this has been so throughout the entire history
of Islam.
As long as muslims do not repudiate those parts of the Koran
that promote evil, murder of strangers and terrorism... Islam
will continue to be the greatest source of evil in the world.
And it's not going to happen by everybody continuing to pretend
that "Islam advocates peace and love of all persons" ... when
the reality is that Islam openly advocates terrorism and butchery
of all non-muslims without any apology except, most hypocritically
and shamelessly, to the foreigners it is specifically targeting.
I am amazed every time Bush or some other non-muslim gets up
and testifies to the "true nature of Islam" when we all know
that neither he nor any of the utter idiots like him has ever
even glanced once at just what it is that Islam really teaches.
What Bush should tell the American People is that muslims are
far too numerous and we need their petroleum too much for us to
ask them to modify their philosophy of murdering us as a tenet
of their religion (now it's a matter of whether it's convenient
to murder us... or to ask us to protect them from other muslims).
I don't believe it's possible anymore to simply close our eyes
and hope that most muslims do not come to believe ALL their
religion teaches them... so they won't murder us once they
become informed of everything their religion demands of them.
Is this really too much?
> Mohammed was quoted as saying
> "I have been ordered to fight with the people
> till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah".
> Al-Bukhari vol: 1:25
What you are witnessing when you hear anyone espousing about
the love and peace of Islam is the equivalent of believing
that the ability of Catholics to divorce is one of the virtues
of Roman Catholicism: Yes, there are many divorced Catholics
out there, but they divorced against the teachings of the Church.
And, yes, there are many Muslims who do not practice murder of
mon-muslims... but they too are doing so against the teachings
of Islam--And they are condemned to Hell by Islam in the Koran
for that ... even if not by every muslim on earth.
Just because Islam is the official religion of millions
it doesn't mean that millions practice it, any more than
just because Christianity is the religion of millions
It is a cliche that, without exception, every terrorist who
participated in the WTC attack became more and more pius
the nearer to September 11 it got. You read in the wire that
none of these men were criminals or brutes, but, that, on the
contrary, they were usually young pius men who sent their time
in prayer at their local mosques. It is so invariable a mode
of behavior that you could have easily predicted who would
have been most likely to become a terrorist just from the time
they spent in prayer! Perhaps the FBI will now add this to
their profiling ... if politicos do not make it illegal for
them to do all they can to prevent the murder of Americans.
Muslims who enjoy a nice ham and cheese sandwich every now
and then.. need probably never be suspected of terrorism!
THAT cut & dry has the matter of Islamic terrorism always been.
clay...@nospamhome.com
>Not only is this true, it is also justified by Islamic Priests. Go to
>www.chick.com ignore the pro christian dribble go to the islam section
>you'll see what a violent and false religion it is.
>
I checked the site but the guy says the same things about every faith
except his own. The Old Testament is full of God calling down murder, rape
you name it on just about everyone, the New Testament isn't very different
and after listening to Jerry Falwell I don't understand how a Christian
could accuse Islam with being particularly brutal. The Book Of Mormon also
includes the same sort of language. Maybe it's all religion taken out of
context and too seriously that's the problem. Even more likely no of this
has anything to do with religion. Faith is often used as a cover for all
sorts of immoral behavior.
Karl Ihula
> > Mark
>
> should have been Matthew
My God, man, is that the worst you could find in the Gospels? ...
MT [33] But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before
my Father in heaven. MT 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring
peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. [35]
For I have come to turn
" `a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
MT 10:36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' etc.
Clearly this "difficult" passage is NOT advocating "violence" against
non-christians, but is merely Jesus's warning to his disciples that
He ("christianity") will NOT always be peacefully accepted but WILL
bring about conflict between friends and family members, etc. This is
still a far cry from what might have been a call to spread christianity
at the point of the sword (since the use of the word "sword" in the
above passage is self-evidently merely a metaphor (for the "war between
friends and even family members" spoken of in the passage) ... used
strictly as a weapon of rethoric (i.e. in junctaposition with the word
"peace") and more than clearly NOT meant as a "weapon of war."
Karl
Karl Ihula
> for "waht non-muslims says about Prophet Mohaammed" got to:
> http://users.erols.com/zenithco/quote1.html
>
> HERE ARE SOME:
>
> De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.
>
> History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
> sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword
> upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths
> that historians have ever repeated.
Mmmmm.... I wonder why he's quoted so often by Islamic apologists
and propagandists? [Sarcasm.] Rather, seek thou historians who
are interested not in making this or that group look good/bad but
who are interested only in documenting what really happened as
they can best discern this.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951
>
> The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand
> and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.
I tend to believe the testimony of millions of the victims
of Islamic conquest and genocide. I tend to believe the Koran
when it itself says:
1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the
message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will
instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above
their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."
In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving
step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers
if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to
commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion.
2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful
unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good
for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for
you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."
The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist
attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent
and unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in
January, the sacred month of Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a
sacred month, when warfare and violence is forbidden. Since this
barbaric criminal act was led and sanctioned by the "great" prophet
Mohammed, we can conclude that Islam's sacred activities include
loot and cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals. The very
beginnings of Islam are stained with the blood of innocents.
By stating the above verse, Mohammed completely absolved himself
from all blame for having murdered innocents. The most insidious
and devilish implication of this verse is that God is completely
justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. The import
of this verse is that killing and violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims,
because they are doing it by divine ordinance! It is a religious
duty of every Muslim to murder anyone who comes in the way of
Islam. Since it is also the duty of every Muslim to ensure that
the entire world is converted to Islam by force if necessary, one
must directly conclude that it is the religious duty of Muslims to
kill all those who are non-Muslim. This conclusion is derived
directly from the supreme edict of Allah, who admonishes that even
the Muslim who feels it is wrong to kill, must murder in the name
of Allah, otherwise he is not a true Muslim. Over and above this,
Mohammed is hypocritically implying that warfare is hateful to him,
but he participated in it because God ordained it.
3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives
until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this
world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty,
Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your
duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."
This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for
ransom after the battle of Badr. This battle occurred on March 17,
623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan—another sacred month for the
Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed and his followers killed at
least 70 innocent merchants from the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and
slaughtered several hundred soldiers who came forward to defend them.
Here God the "Merciful" is saying that all the non-believers deserve
to be killed! In addition, God is conveniently commenting that
whatever
loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done
in service to God. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are
all perfectly legal with the Muslim God as long as they are done in
the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem
very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact
he only let them live so he could ransom their lives for more money.
In today's world this is called "taking hostages" and defines
"Terrorism" of the worst kind.
4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and
expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof
the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God
the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched.
Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth
which none but sinners eat."
The above verses from the Koran prove that Muslims are specifically
instructed not to tolerate unbelievers. It directly states that
people who do not believe in Mohammed and the Islamic God are to
be tortured and murdered.. Not only does this verse clearly implicate
that unbelievers must be tortured and killed, it goes on further to
state prescribed methods for committing torture. The horrific acts
mentioned above are in practice even today in Islamic countries. In
fact, in India, Muslims tortured the Sikh Gurus and their families
exactly as prescribed by the Koran. For example, the Sikh guru Tegh
Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage like a wild animal, when he refused
to forsake his religion for Islam. Three of his disciples were
murdered in front of his eyes. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He
was sawed alive into little pieces. The other was wrapped up in
cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive
in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and
killed in a similar fashion. One wonders at the mercy of "The all
beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching the roasted burnt flesh of
hapless innocents falling off their bones.
5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war
upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in
the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or
have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or
will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation
in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that
Allah is forgiving, merciful."
6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the
disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their
Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be
cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads.
Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too,
will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever,
in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven
back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."
7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains,
yokes and a blazing fire."
The above verses clearly state extreme terrorist activities, as
they contain nothing but detailed recipes of horrific torture.
Cutting off the hands and feet of individuals and then making
them walk and jump, pouring boiling waters over their victims,
making them drink it, burning them alive, inserting hot iron
rods into their bodies, dismemberment and disembowelment, genital
mutilation etc. are common Islamic practices.
Koran 17:16-17 When we decide to destroy a population, we send
a definite order to them who have the good things in life and
yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them:
then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we
destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see
the Sins of his servants
Here Allah, the God of the Muslims is clearly stating the exact
method that he adopts when he commits genocide of an entire
POPULATION.
And why does Allah decide to destroy entire populations? Simply
because
they don't believe in Allah and so Allah will kill them all, to take
revenge. Next Allah is indulging in an unbelievable display of
conceit.
He is actually BOASTING about how many generations he has destroyed
after Noah. If Allah had a list of his merits, no doubt genocide of
numerous generations of people would top his list. Allah enjoys
watching the annhilation of thousands of Non-Muslims at the hands of
his pious followers, the Muslims.
Koran 8:37 In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure,
Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in
a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
The "All-Merciful Allah" is now specifically instructing all "peace-
loving Muslims" to heap up a mountain of corpses of the non believers.
Of course, in order to do this holy task for Allah, the Muslim must
first go out and attack innocent Non-Muslims and massacre them so
that Allah's wishes are fulfilled. Allah seems to have an
inexhaustible
thirst for the blood of innocents. Note that the reason given to
massacre non-believers is that "Allah may seperate the Impure from
the Pure". It has nothing to do with self-defense or protection as
Muslims try to argue. The explicit purpose for this heinous crime
is so that Allah can easily differentiate between the Muslims and
Non-Muslims. This way it becomes a lot easier for Allah and his
angelic helpers to dump the heaps of murdered Non-Muslims into
Hellfire.
Koran 21:11 How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because
of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples
Again Allah is boasting about his amazing exploits such as genocide
and displacement of innocent people. The justification for this crime
is that these innocent people had "inequities". Apparently any
community which is not Muslim is full of inequities by Islamic
definition and therefore fair game for all pious Muslims to massacre
and plunder.
Koran 2:8-10 In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah
has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will
incur, because they are false.
So Allah not only exhorts Muslims to kill all the non-believers, he
also strikes down the surviving ones with disease and pain. Any good
Muslim must surely carry out their beloved Allah's word. In fact
Allah's word seems to be very much in effect in today's world. This
is why one sees pious, Allah-loving Muslims like Saddam Hussain
nursing
factories that make weapons of biological and chemical warfare. Saddam
is complying perfectly with Allah's wishes to the letter when he
manufactures strains of deadly viruses to be unleashed on unsuspecting
non-believers like the Israelis and Americans. He has secured a place
in Islamic "Jannat" (Paradise) for himself by following Allah's orders
so religiously.
Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled
to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down
Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger" obviously refers to anyone
who is not a Muslim. Therefore every Non-Muslim must be crushed to
death by the holy edict of Allah. No doubt it was this very verse
which
must have served as a motivation for those pious Muslims who bombed
the World Trade Center. Allah must have been extremely pleased to
watch
all those innocent Non-Muslims being crumbled to death.
Koran 44:43-50 Verily the Tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the
sinful.
Like molten brass it will boil in their insides, Like the boiling of
scalding water Seize Ye Him and drag him into the midst of the blazing
Fire Then pour over his head the penalty of Boiling Water
Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They
shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.
Koran 2:89-90 The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam)
Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating
is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)
Koran 5:33 The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger
is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet
from opposite sides or exile from the land
Koran 9:35 On the day when Heat will be produced out of the wealth in
the Fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their
sides and their backs- "This is the treasure that ye buried for
yourselves, taste ye then the treasures that ye buried."
If you do happen to pick up that copy of the Koran as I mentioned,
don't expect your fate to improve, unless you become a Muslim. Allah
doesn't want Non-believers to understand the Koran. This is quite
understandable on Allah's part, because any self-respecting human
being who reads the Koran will be revolted at the violence and
sadism espoused in it. Is it any wonder that Muslims don't want
Non-Muslims to read or discuss any part of the Koran? They are
afraid, that anyone who reads it will soon realise the true nature
of Islam, which is genocide sanctioned by religion. Here Allah
explains
that Non-Muslims will never be allowed to understand the Koran:
Koran 17:46-47 And we put coverings over their hearts and minds, lest
they should understand the Koran, and we put deafness in their ears;
when you commemorate your Lord (Allah) and Him alone in the Koran
If a Non-Muslim cannot understand the Koran, how is he/she expected
to convert to Islam on their own accord? This is obviously an
admission
on Allah's part that people can be converted to Islam only by violent
force, because he has ensured that they cannot understand it via
reading
the Koran. For any Non-Muslim to understand the Koran would be
absolutely
counterproductive to Islam. Muslims have hidden the truth from
Non-Muslims
for ages. It is a fact that the available English translations of the
Koran do not contain many of the original Arabic Verses. Many
particular
verses were edited and changed by Muslims, because they were just too
violent and explicitly revealed the brutal and barbaric nature of
Islam.
The Koran is a psychological manual that incites hatred and violence
in
the reader. It was specifically designed for this very purpose, so
that
the Prophet Mohammed could carry on his tradition of Genocide and
Terrorism, long after his death. The entire recorded history of
Muslims
is a testament to this fact.
Note: The Meaning of the Holy Quran by Abdullah Yusuf Ali has been
used to compose this article
from: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
>
> Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,'
> 1840
>
> "The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round
> this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."
> "A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to
> kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."
Tommy probably either wasn't much fazed by child molestation
or he just wasn't thoughrough enough to have learn about
something you and I and my cat Mr. Jeepers know.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in 'Young India,'1924.
>
> I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an
> undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became
> more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place
> for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid
> simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous
> regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers,
> his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in
> his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before
> them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume
> (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to
> read of that great life.
And STILL Pakistanis chose to break away from India.
What a surprise...
> Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932.
>
> It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the
> great Prophet of Arabia, who knew how he taught and how he lived, to
> feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great
> messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall
> say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel,
> whenever I reread them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of
> reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.
I wonder what Anne would have said of these works by the "great
Prophet of Arabia" ....
1. Lets start with the "great" Mohammed himself, the founder of this
"fabulous" faith. Mohammed was married to Khadija Bibi, his employer
and 15 years his senior. At that time Mohammed was 25 years old. He
was Khadija Bibi's third husband. Khadija Bibi was a widow when she
married Mohammed. For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed
a luxurious life.
This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer
so that he can live a rich life without putting in a single day's
work.
2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages
of 49 and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times.
This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women
were nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least
11 women in 14 years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite.
Read on about the "greatness" of this prophet.
3. Mohammed's favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when
she was married to him.
Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows that Mohammed was not only
a womanizer but also a child molester.
4. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of
Jahsh. But one day the prophet "beheld in a loose undress, the beauty
of Zainab, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire.
The servile, or greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and
yielded without hesitation to the love of the benefactor."
Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to
marry his son's wife. His son being a devoted follower of the "great"
prophet was more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father-
in-law Mohammed was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws!
Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the
following verses from Quran and Hadiths.
Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women
II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to
your tilth as ye will...
IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one
of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion,
admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.
IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness
...confine them until death claims them.
IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish
them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah
is forgiving and merciful.
As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable
by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by
the all merciful Allah.
XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses
except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four
testimonies
...
from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS
If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the
right
to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow
anybody
to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right
to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)
It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband
when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in 'Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,' 1989
>
> My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not
> generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time
> need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The
> theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any
> quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that there is no
> compulsion in religion is well known.
Rao must have lived in some other dimension (I would
probably propose the Bizarro dimension.)
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’
> Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.
>
> "No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has
> widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the
> sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an
> is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience."
Probably the millions of Indians who once were Hindus and were
butchered all committed suicide and blamed it on the muslims.
The Armenians who were butched by the muslim Turns were probable
suicides as well (I believe that's what the Turks say to this day).
> "Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570
> into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was
> always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and
> the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a
> successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for
> a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer recognizing
> his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older,
> he married her and as long as she lived remained a devoted husband."
Listen to this astonishing spin and then read the naked facts of
Muhammad's life! I mean, these people have no shame what so ever!
Continuing to quote this disgusting lies is beyond my patience.
Rather, simply read for yourself the words of the Koran and judge:
Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his
lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the
promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his
followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed
is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of
marriage
and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can
conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable
sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that,
the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their
husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all
merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their
husbands
deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs
shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for
companions: a truly overflowing cup.
Koran 37:40-48 ...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as
chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.
(beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To
dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn
will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord
will you deny ?"
In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the
promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no
limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on
display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired
ripeness.
Quote from Hadiths
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise
a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist
of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have
intercourse with them."
YOUNG BOYS Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic
conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised
them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder,
loot,
rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded"
by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome)
as pearls well-guarded.
Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered
pearls.
WINE Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young
boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without
rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious
commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find
vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in
his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when
Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this
was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not
intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine
by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are
promised. In it are...rivers of wine...
Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants of God shall be well provided
for,
...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain,
white
and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses
nor befuddle them.
Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and
there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a
cup of purest wine:
Koran 83:23-26 The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining
upon
soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall
mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink,
securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk...
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In
> History,' New York, 1978.
>
> My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most
> influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by
> others,
Not by me: He's probably been more influential than Stalin,
Hitler, and, almost certainly, than Charles Manson.
> but he was the only man in history who was supremely
> successful on both the secular and religious level.
That's probably true: Can't recall Stalin celebrating mass
(I think all he ever did was to serve as an altar boy).
> ...It is probable
> that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than
> the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.
True: I'd venture to think more muslims throughout history
have been terrorists and practitioners of genocide than have
christians been selfless and compassionate servants of love,
kindness, and good will towards all men.
> ...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious
> influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most
> influential single figure in human history.
Let's make him our universal god, by all means, and go out
and cut the throats of all Jews, Christians and all other
non-muslims on earth. Amen.
Karl
Fight Racism
1.Church is "two bodies, one Black, one white- separate and divided.
2.Sudras (Untouchables Hindus)
Hindu Church is "two bodies, one Brahmin Hindu , one Untouchable Hindu
separate and divided.
The holocaust was sponsored by "Christians".
American slavery was "justified" by "Christians".
Please visit:
Sudras (Untouchables Hindus) Holocaust Museum
http://www.dalitstan.org/holocaust/
Fight White Power
Fight Brahmin Hindu Power
Fight Imperialism
Fight Racism
tj Frazir
had many gods.
Its only a text for a long forgoten people some dumbfuckstick 1200
years ago used to controle the masses . Its a falts reliegen baised on
ingorance without a shred of evidence .
35 years ago canables still worshiped the sun god . Thier masia 2 ...
800 years ad Mohamod or somthing like that used street magic learned
abroad to fool his way into power and use reiligen to justifie mass
murder of his resistors.
TR
famous ones. And communism has no end of pseudo intellectual
defenders.
Given that there are 6 billion people on the earth, you can find a
few dozen to support any opinion.
But I'm more likely to believe the 60 million Hindus that have been
murdered at the hands of the Muslims since the Islamic invasion
began. And for that matter, the slaughter continues.
TR
Ari
It's easy...you can judge the fruits by the tree.
What are the fruits of Islam?
Barbarism. Oppression. Backwardness. Extreme stupidity. Fanaticism.
Genocide. Bigotry. Hatred. Blood shed. Destruction. Oppression of
women. Violation of human rights. Islam destroys more than it
creates.
So what can you say about the tree??? ROTTEN TO THE CORE.
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Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,'
1840
"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round
this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."
"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to
kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."
----------------------------------------------------
De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.
History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword
upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths
that historians have ever repeated.
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A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951
The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand
and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.
-----------------------------------------------------
W. Montgomery Watt in 'Muhammad at Mecca,' Oxford, 1953.
His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral
character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a
leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his
fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more
problems that it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of
history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.... Thus, not
merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of
purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the
errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget the
conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of
plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with
difficulty.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Dr. William Draper in 'History of Intellectual Development of Europe'
Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca,
in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest
influence upon the human race... To be the religious head of many
empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may
perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God.
------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In
History,' New York, 1978.
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most
influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by
others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely
successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable
that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than
the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.
...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious
influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most
influential single figure in human history.
James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’
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> I just happened to see a program on Discovery channel where an
> American who spent 12 years in middle east for the peace process was
> saying about the rules Mohammed had set in a situation of war: no
> killing of children, women, old people, soldiers who dossen't have a
> sword (a weapon) + no destrying of buildings; no destruction of a tree
> that has a green leave on it, etc.
>
> I know some pople would reply with sarcarsim saying "Oh .. he
> believed in war"; unless you understand the situation in pre-Isalmic
> arabia peninsula, mosat likely you would not understand what he had to
> do to unite his people. I am not implying that he did not truly
> believe he was chosen for the revelation he passed on.
>
> To those who would response saying "oh .. those barabrians in
> pre-Isalmic Arabia .. blah..blah..blah", ONLY if you understand the
> terrain (geography,weather, etc.) they lived on requiring to be on the
> move constantly ...(I don't have that book "Biography of Prophet
> Mohammed" by Karen Armstrong anymore; gave it to my brother), most
> likely YOU WOULD not UNDERTSAND WHAT GOOD ISLAM HAD DONE FOR THOSE
> PEOPLE.
>
> I MA NOT CONDONING ANY ATROCITIES DURING CRUSADES OR OTHER WARS, but
> to blame on Mohammed for the failings of some Muslims (like Osama Bbin
> Laden) is truly ignorant, in my opinion.
>
> Sandar
Cheese Monkey
Kevin Haley wrote:
>
> OIsrael1948 wrote:
> >
> > Dear Amigo, ALL islamic societies that experienced periods of
> > peace did so because they had completed the bloody conquest
> > of mon-muslim societies within reach.
>
> Is this true? I admit that I am pretty ignorant of the Quran.
Kevin,
The fact is we all are ignorant of what the Quran says... This
Troll is most likely misquoting again... Go buy a Quran and
read it yourself. Never trust ANY scripture quoted in any
newsgroup.
Ike
One Person
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I found this introduction to be helpful. Don't think I want to read the
whole Qur'an or Hadith to get a handle on it, although I would certainly not
fault one who did. I wouldn't want to read the whole bible to get an idea
of Christianity (of course I had to since I went to a Catholic School as a
kid and had to read it a lot, in addition to writing multiplication tables
thousands of times).
I'm sure there are other abbreviated reviews/introductions but this one
seemed reasonable :
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_intr.htm
Hope it helps.
Kord Burphardt
> >
> > OIsrael1948 wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Amigo, ALL islamic societies that experienced periods of
> > > peace did so because they had completed the bloody conquest
> > > of mon-muslim societies within reach.
> >
> > Is this true? I admit that I am pretty ignorant of the Quran.
Dear Kevin, any history books covering the history of Islam
(including those my Islamic historians) will inform you that
it's indeed so: The Islamic Conquest has cost some 60 million
human lives so far (and it continues in Kashmir even today).
Muslims may not have invented genocide, but they are history's
worst practitioners of it. I will quite Will Durant on this post.
> Kevin,
> The fact is we all are ignorant of what the Quran says... This
> Troll is most likely misquoting again... Go buy a Quran and
> read it yourself. Never trust ANY scripture quoted in any
> newsgroup.
> Ike
You needn't spend any money. Here's several website with it:
http://www.submission.org/quran/
http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
There are many others. Take your pick. And when you read them,
search for the following verses:
from the Qur'an ...
[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are
thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that
they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
[22:19-22] But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire
will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their
heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too,
will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in
their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back
therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into
the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their
heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[58:5] Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled
From the Sunnah of the Prophet (the "other leg" of the Koran):
[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight
and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem
from Will Durant's Story of Civilization:
VI THE MOSLEM CONQUEST
The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in
for grinding down the Hindus, and for depriving them of that wealth and
property which fosters disaffection and rebellion."' Half of the gross
produce of the soil was collected by the government; native rulers had
taken one sixth. "No Hindu," says a Moslem historian, "could hold up his
head, and in their houses no sign of gold or silver . . . or of any
superfluity was to be seen.... Blows, confinement in the stocks,
imprisonment and chains, were all employed to enforce payment." When
one of his own advisers protested against this policy, Alau-d-din
answered: "Oh, Doctor, thou art a learned man, but thou hast no
experience; I am an unlettered man, but I have a great deal. Be assured,
then, that the Hindus will never become submissive and obedient till
they are reduced to poverty. I have therefore given orders that just
sufficient shall be left to them from year to year of corn, milk and
curds, but that they shall not be allowed to accumulate hoards and
property."' This is the secret of the political history of modern India.
Weakened by division, it succumbed to invaders; impoverished by invaders,
it lost all power of resistance, and took refuge in supernatural
consolations; it argued that both mastery and slavery were superficial
delusions, and concluded that freedom of the body or the nation was
hardly worth defending in so brief a life. The bitter lesson that may
be drawn from this tragedy is that eternal vigilance is the price of
civilization. A nation must love peace, but keep its powder dry.
VII AKBAR THE GREAT It is in the nature of governments to degenerate;
Shotgun
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All Blacks
us you'll go to hell thesis? If I'm not mistaken, Chrisitianity and Judaism
has the same thesis. About the hadith, that is not the Qur'an. If you
would like, I'll quote some Fallawell statement that he based on
Christianity.
Final Judgement
cannot even allow themselves to think that leaving Islam is an option, or
even possible. They rather think that those who leave Islam are paid Jewish
agents than accept the fact that people have freedom to think and some may
even think that Islam is not for them. The following are my reasons.
Not until few years ago I used to think that my faith in Islam was not based
on blind imitation but rather was the result of years of investigation and
research. The fact that I had read a lot of books on Islam, written by
people whose thoughts I approved of and delving into philosophies that were
within my comfort zone, emphasized my conviction that I had found the truth.
All my bias research confirmed my faith. Just like other Muslims I used to
believe that to learn about anything one has to go to the source. Of course
the source of Islam is Quran and the books written by Muslim scholars.
Therefore, I felt no need to look elsewhere in order to find the truth, as I
was convinced that I have already found it. As Muslims say "Talabe ilm ba'd
az wossule ma'loom mazmoom". The search of knowledge after gaining it is
foolish
Of course, this is a foolish idea. What if we want to learn the truth about
one of these dangerous cults? Is it enough to depend only on what the cult
leader and his deluded followers say? Wouldn't it be prudent to widen our
research and find out what other people have to say about them? Going to the
source makes sense only in scientific matters, because scientists are not
"believers". They do not say something because they have blind faith.
Scientists make a critical analysis of the evidence. It is very much
different from religious approach that is based entirely on faith and
belief.
I suppose it was my acquaintance with the western humanistic values that
made me more sensitive and whet my appetite for democracy, freethinking,
human rights, equality, etc. It was then that when I read again Quran I came
across injunctions that were not al par with my newfound humanistic values,
I was distressed and felt very uncomfortable to read teachings like these.
Q.3: 5
"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to
their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they
are those who have gone astray".
Q.16: 106
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under
compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their
breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a
dreadful Penalty."
One may think that the dreadful penalty mentioned here pertains to the next
word. But Muhammad made sure that these people received their penalty in
this world as well. See the following:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will
appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good
talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their
faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them,
for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 260:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I
been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't
punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed
them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion,
kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 261:
Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the
climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle!
Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you sh
ould join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk
of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they
killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers
after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for
help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they
were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for
nails, which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in
the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody
provided them with water till they died.
And from Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4339
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who
testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's
Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a
man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be
stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which
case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who
commits murder for which he is killed.
The following is very disturbing. I dare to say any man who read it and is
not taken aback with disgust has a long way to go to become a human.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348
"Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet
(peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop.
He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to
slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger,
placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between
her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came,
the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done
this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up.
Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I
am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but
she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I
have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she
began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly
and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no
retaliation is payable for her blood".
I felt the above story was a manifest injustice. Muhammad condoned a man
killing a pregnant mother and his own unborn child just because he said that
she insulted him!?
(Arabs used to sleep with their maid slaves. Quran perpetuates this
tradition Q.33: 52 "It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after
this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract
thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah
doth watch over all things." Muhammad himself slept with Mariyah the maid
slave of Hafsa his wife without marrying her.)
Forgiving someone for killing another human being just because he said she
insulted Muhammad is unacceptable. What if that man was lying to escape
punishment? What dose this story say about Muhammad's sense of Justice?
Imagine how many innocent women, were killed by their husbands during these
1400 years who escaped punishment accusing their murdered wives of
blaspheming the prophet of God and this Hadith has made them get away with
it.
Here is another one.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4349
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A
man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him)
declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
It was not easy to read these stories and not be moved. There is no reason
to believe that all these stories were fabricated. Why should believers, who
have tried to depict their prophet as a compassionate man fabricate so many
stories that would make him look like ruthless tyrant?
I could no more accept the brutal treatment of those who chose not to accept
Islam. Faith is a personal matter. I could no more accept that the
punishment of someone who criticizes any religion must be death.
See how Muhammad dealt with the unbelievers.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4359
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is
execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite side or exile from the land...most merciful" was revealed about
polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not
prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment, which he
deserves."
How could a messenger of God maim and crucify people on the account that
they resist accepting him? Could such person be really a messenger of God?
Wasn't there a better man with more moral an ethical fortitude to bear this
mighty responsibility?
I could not accept the fact that Muhammad slaughtered 900 Jews in one day,
after he captured them in a raid that he started. I read the following story
and I shivered.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4390
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined
us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who
had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair
Also I found following story shocking.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4396
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
A thief was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He said: Kill him.
The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut
off his hand. So his (right) hand was cut off. He was brought a second time
and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of
Allah! Then he said: Cut off his foot.
So his (left) foot was cut off.
He was brought a third time and he said: Kill him.
The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah!
So he said: Cut off his hand. (So his (left) hand was cut off.)
He was brought a fourth time and he said: Kill him.
The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah!
So he said: Cut off his foot. So his (right) foot was cut off.
He was brought a fifth time and he said: Kill him.
So we took him away and killed him. We then dragged him and cast him into a
well and threw stones over him.
Seems that Muhammad passed judgment before hearing the case. Also by cutting
a thief's hand he is left with no other means to earn his bread except
begging, which would be difficult since he is defamed as a thief and so
hated by people. Therefore re-offending becomes his only means of
livelihood.
After living many years in the West and being received kindly by people of
other religions or of no religion, who loved me and accepted me as their
friend; who let me into their lives and their heart. I could no more accept
the following mandates of Quran as the words of God.
Q.58: 22
"You will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making
friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger."
Q.3: 118-120
"O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants,
protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans,
Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best
to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already
appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse.
Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if
you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not,
and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and
the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur'aan)]. And when they
meet you, they say, 'We believe.' But when they are alone, they bite the
tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: 'Perish in your rage. Certainly
Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).' If a good befalls
you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it."
And
Q.5: 51
"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya'
(friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya' to one another."
I also found the above statement false. The evidence is in the Bosnia and
Kosovo crisis; where Christian countries, waged war against another
Christian country, to liberate Muslims. Many Jewish doctors volunteered to
help the Kosovar refugees, despite the fact that during the WWII, the same
Albanian Muslims took side with Hitler and helped him in his holocaust
against the Jews.
It became obvious to me that Muslims are accepted by all the people of the
world yet our prophet wants us to hate them, to disassociate ourselves from
them, to force them into our way of life or kill them, subdue them and make
them pay Jizya. How silly! How pathetic! How inhumane! No wonder there is so
much inexplicable hate of the West and of the Jews among Muslims. It was
Muhammad who inseminated the hate and the distrust of the non-believers
among his followers. How Muslims can ever integrate with other nations while
holding these hateful massages of Quran as the words of God?
There are many Muslims who immigrate to non-Muslim countries and are
received with open arms. Many of them get into politics and become part of
the ruling elite. We suffer no discrimination in the non-Islamic countries.
But see how our holy prophet tells us to deal with non-Muslims were we are
the majority.
Q.9: 29
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued."
I also find the following verses completely against my conscience. I love
all humanity and wish everyone to be happy in this world and forgiven in the
next. But my holy prophet bade me not to seek forgiveness for the
unbelievers even if they are my parents and beloved ones.
(Interpretation of the meaning by Muhsin Khan):
Q.9: 113
"It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah's
forgiveness for the mushrikeen, even though they be of kin, after it has
become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they
died in state of disbelief)."
Quarn and Ahadith are full of outrageous verses like these that to me are
clear proof that Muhammad was not a prophet, but a cult leader. To force
people to denounce their own family is what cults do. He was an impostor who
lied so loudly and so forcefully that the ignorant people of his time
believed in him. Then the following generations echoed this lies passing it
to the next. Philosophers and writers were born in this atmosphere of lies
and elaborated on it, embellished it, and made it credible. But when you go
to the core of it, when you read Quran and study the Ahadith you see it is
nothing but lie.
I know my words can be upsetting. But I urge you, to take control of your
anger, read my other articles and mule on them.
As you see my rejection of Islam is not based on the bad deeds of Muslims
but on the bad deeds of its author. All the cruelties and heinous acts of
violence, perpetrated by Muslims throughout the centuries were inspired by
Quran and Sunnah (the example of the prophet) That is why I condemn Islam
for the bad things that Muslims do. I know any effort to humanize the
Islamic community is a waste of time. The enemy is Islam and that is the
target of my attacks. I do that despite having become the magnet of the
hatred of all fanatical Muslims. There is no gain in this for me. The only
reason I am so adamant against Islam is to liberate the world from the claws
of this satanic cult and restore peace and prosperity, love and amity
amongst the children of man.
By. Ali Sina
All Blacks <you...@yousux.com> wrote in message
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nusrat rizvi
remains unparallel in modern history the Muslims in time came to appreciate
India for what it truly was, a great and a tolerant nation.
After the establishment of the last Mughal dynasty, the rulers from this
family who thru inter-marriages had lost all of their Central Asian traits
now embarked on a tradition of building and fostering general understanding
between the two religions. They built Taj Mahal and scores of other
structures that even now remain the most beautiful in their beauty and
creativity. Emperor Akbar was one of the greatest patron of arts and under
his sponsorship Tulsi Das wrote the epoch poetry of Hindu religion.
Unfortunately for all concerned
Akbar's offspring had none of his foresights or wisdom and India soon fell
under the spell of Islamists fundamentalists though without the bloodshed of
earlier Muslims invaders.
--
There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct,
or more uncertain in its outcome, than to take the lead in introducing a new
order of things.
Niccolo Machiavelli
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OIsrael1948
> us you'll go to hell thesis? If I'm not mistaken, Chrisitianity and Judaism
> has the same thesis.
Oh, I don't imagine anybody'd mind being told
that if they don't believe they'll go to Hell.
I've been told that many times--by nuns!
It's being told if you're not a muslim it's OK
for any muslim who feels like it to slit your throat
that a lot of people have fallen victim to (some
60 million so far and counting, historically).
> About the hadith, that is not the Qur'an.
The Koran is just about any bit of crap muslims wish to
call the Koran. And it's a waste of time for non-muslims
to try to tell them what bits are and aren't the Koran.
> If you
> would like, I'll quote some Fallawell statement that he based on
> Christianity.
When this Fallawell of yours calls for genocide against
non-Christians AND we start seeing people actually carrying it out
... do gimme a call, will'ya.
THAT IS ALL.
bit...@rochester.rr.com
Hmmm.
Well, let's see here.
Sura 5, verse 85 prophesies an inevitable conflict between Muslims
and non-Muslims: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt
thou find the Jews and Pagans.'' Sura 9, verse 5 adds, "Then fight and
slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them
and lie in wait for them, in every strategem (of war).'' The Koran
insists that no matter how mighty a nation is, it must be fought
"until they embrace Islam.''
Surat Al-Maidah 5:51says, "O ye who believe (Muslims), take not the
Jews or the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but
friends and protectors to each other. And he among you who turns to
them (for friendship) is of them.''
Fundamentalist Muslims also believe the Koran commands them to fight
Jews and Christians: "Fight against those who believe not in Allah,
nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah
and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the
religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and
Christians) until they pay the Jizyah (a special high tax to be paid
only by Jews and Christians who do not renounce their faith and
convert to Islam) with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued.'' -- Surat At-Taubah 9:29.
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Aqiutania
>Come join a mailinglist for those who wish to resist neoliberal
>capitalist globalism and the moral symbolism behind it. We discuss
>resistance, revolution, terrorism, social decline, media manipulation
>and covert groups operating in the United States......<snip> ....blah, blah
,blah.
Oh boy am I excited! Let me dig out my old Che poster. Yawn!!!!!
All Blacks
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> On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 02:40:36 GMT, Cheese Monkey
> <cheesem...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Kevin Haley wrote:
> >>
> >> OIsrael1948 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Amigo, ALL islamic societies that experienced periods of
> >> > peace did so because they had completed the bloody conquest
> >> > of mon-muslim societies within reach.
> >>
> >> Is this true? I admit that I am pretty ignorant of the Quran.
> >
> >Kevin,
> >The fact is we all are ignorant of what the Quran says... This
> >Troll is most likely misquoting again... Go buy a Quran and
> >read it yourself. Never trust ANY scripture quoted in any
> >newsgroup.
>
>
> Hmmm.
> Well, let's see here.
>
> Sura 5, verse 85 prophesies an inevitable conflict between Muslims
> and non-Muslims: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt
> thou find the Jews and Pagans.'' Sura 9, verse 5 adds, "Then fight and
> slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them
> and lie in wait for them, in every strategem (of war).'' The Koran
> insists that no matter how mighty a nation is, it must be fought
> "until they embrace Islam.''
No it doesn't: Sura 5, verse 85: "So because of what they said, Allah
rewarded them Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), they will abide
therein forever. Such is the reward of Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers).
As for Sura 9, verse 5, why don't you write the whole Surah. don't forget
verse 6: "And if anyone of the Mushrikyun seeks your protection then grant
him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah and then escort him to
where he can be" secure, that is because they are men who know not.