Israel a True Terrorist State
Gentleman Jim
Deir Yassen- 1948
Qibya 1953
Kufr Qasim 1956
USS Liberty 1967
Sabra and Shatelia 1982
Al-Aqsa Mosque 1990
Qana 1996
Nabatyiah 1996
If killing civilians is considered a "WAR CRIME"...how then would
we consider killing INFANTS...?
I think pictures speak a thousand words, so I will not waste my time
with words. Look at these horrific atrocities,if you have an open
mind, that Israel has committed in the name of zionism. Look at some
of their handy work that U.S. tax dollars support in the form of
foreign aid.
http://burt2000.dhs.org/islamonrise/genocide/page1.htm
http://www.palestinehistory.com/mass08.htm
http://www.palestinehistory.com/massacre.htm
Why does the United States give support to a country such as Israel
that sponsors terrorism?
"Israel is the only stable democracy we can rely on as a spot where
Armageddon could come." - Ronald Reagan, 1980
SuperNova
state", though he forgets to mention that Israel has been attacked by
their neighbors on multiple occasions... and it being attacked by the
militants from within Palestine at this time.
The emotionalism presented with the idea of "killing infants" is the sort
of propaganda which few people will descend to.
Emotionalism is at animity with reason. What reason could there be for
showing photos of babies whom have died, and then claiming, "the Jews are
monsters killing babies"? When, in fact, the Palestinians have killed
babies -- and in fact, only target civilians. In fact, the Palestinian
militants also refuse to disarm or in anyway cease fire, despite all
of the treaties... in the face of all of the treaties.
Furthermore, when they kill civilians, they dance in the street, just
as they did when the hijackers rammed the planes into the WTC buildings,
into the Pentagon, and attempted to strike with the plane that crashed
in Pennsylvania another target.
But, when Israel defends itself, they try to paint them as "terrorists",
they issue stories that "Jews are killing babies", and try and fend
off truth... so they can continue to justify Palestinian atrocities.
What they are entirely silent on... is the massacres and human slavery
in the rest of the world... which shows, beyond a shadow of a doubt that
if they really cared about atrocities, they would care about the worse
atrocities on the planet.
In Sudan, there has been a government sponsered "jihad" since 1983. This
has resulted in the deaths of millions and the slavery of over 100,000.
In 29 Muslim dominated countries there is gross human rights violations:
These sorts of problems arising from extremist Islam are not isolated
in Israel... though, Israel is their calling card, and more Muslims are
involved in that then in any of their other conflicts.
Or, why doesn't the poster point out the atrocities in Kashmir, Pakistan,
or India? Why doesn't he point out that millions of Hindus have been
killed there in the past thirty years... and this barely gets any Western
news coverage at all?
Some of them just hate the Jews. They have been slandering the Jews for
centuries about being "baby killers", "witches", "blood suckers"... and
anything else which they could find...
Some of them have hatred for the Jews and think that by blaming the
Jew and continuing to justify the terrorism of the militants that there
might be "peace" there. (Though, history has shown otherwise).
Some of them claim not to have hatred for the Jew... and apparently
have just begun sniffing some of that racist glue... they are ignorant
of the fact that their "facts" come from Neo-Nazi and extremist Muslim
terrorist groups... or they just don't care.
IR
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Gentleman Jim
Here's another one from a right-wing moron who you may agree with...
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will
do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry
about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
"Israel controls the United States Senate."
- Sen. William Fulbright
To George W. Bush
President of the United States
Dear Mr. President,
During your passionate and truly great speech before Congress, you
told us of the need to protect America against terrorism. True. You
also eloquently told us of the greatness and the courage exhibited by
many Americans during the crisis faced on September 11. As a former
elected official who has heard thousands of speeches, I must say that
yours was perhaps one of the best speeches I have heard in my
lifetime.
But, Mr. President, Sir, you also told Congress and the American
people something quite inaccurate.
I quote:
"Americans are asking "Why do they hate us?"
"They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically
elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our
freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom
to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."
With all do respect to you, Mr. President, that statement is
completely false. The media has said repeatedly and incorrectly that
this was an attack against freedom, and unfortunately you simply
repeated that absurd idea in your speech.
The obvious truth is that those who attacked us couldn't care less
about the kind of government we have. They did not attack us because
they hate our democracy or our freedoms. They certainly did not attack
Switzerland or Sweden or any other democracies in the world.
I pray that you will agree with me that the American people deserve
the utmost honesty before we take the most serious and dangerous step
that a nation can ever make: go to war.
The attack on September 11 was certainly not about people hating our
freedoms. It was purely in response to America's foreign policy; and
it was primarily about our monetary and military support of Israel.
As strange as it may sound to Americans, those who attack us do so
because they view our nation's leaders in exactly the same way as we
view them. They believe that you and all of America's recent leaders
are the real terrorists.
If you want to know the true reasons why they attack America, you can
easily read what they write about America. There are even many
interviews with Bin Laden that make clear his motivations.
He and many others say that they must fight America for its support of
50 years of Israel's terrorism against the Palestinian and other
Mideastern people. He says this in precisely the same way that some
say we must bomb Afghanistan into further oblivion for supporting the
terrorism of Bin Laden.
America is seen as a terrorist nation for having supported the Israeli
ethnic cleansing of 700,000 Palestinians from their land and homes and
the stripping them of their most basic human rights, even depriving
them of the right to live where they were born!
America is accused of supporting terrorism for backing Israel, even
America is aware that Israel tortures 500 to 600 Palestinians in its
jails each month.
America is called terrorist for supporting Israel even as it killed
40,000 Lebanese in its invasion of that country. They ask the world
how America could support Israel even as it bombed civilian Red Cross
shelters and killed women and children by the score.
Millions of people ask how the President of the United States could
dine in the White House with Israel Sharon, a man with a proven
history of massacring civilians, and who even Israel held responsible
for the cold-blooded murder of 2000 people at the Sabra and Shatila
camps in Lebanon.
America is also called a terrorist state for causing the death of more
than 500,000 Iraqi children.
It is difficult for us to act morally superior to our enemies when our
own U.S. Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, told Leslie Stahl of
CBS that America's causing the death of 500,000 Iraqi children was
"worth it." What would you say, Mr. President, of someone who thinks
it is worth killing 500,000 children in order to punish one man?
Of course, whatever the reasons for the attack on September 11,
Americans must defend ourselves by whatever means necessary. No
American should ever face such horrible terror as on that fateful
black Tuesday. And, I salute your determination to defend us.
But, before we respond in an indiscriminate way and breed even more
hatred against us, we must be honest about why we are hated and why we
are being attacked.
Telling us that we were attacked simply because they hate our freedom
-- keeps America from examining the real reasons why we are hated. It
must be acknowledged that we cannot end the terrorism against us
unless we first heal the hatred that spawns it.
Of course, the Israel Firsters who control America's media don't want
us to discuss the dire consequences of our monetary and military
actions for Israel. They don't want us to even discuss the
relationship between Israel and the events of September 11. Some are
even telling the big lie that the attacks had nothing to do with our
support of Israel. It is strange that Europe and the whole world
recognize this obvious fact, but the American people do not.
We must access the anti-American consequences of our Mideast Policy.
It is vital to our own national security.
As President, you must carefully reconsider our foreign involvement
and policies over the last 50 years. You must determine if it is truly
in the best interest of the American people to be involved in all
these foreign wars and conflicts.
As President you were sworn to defend the United States, not Israel or
any other foreign nation. I beseech you to exclusively put first the
interests of the American people. We cannot afford to be manipulated
by powerful lobbies who owe their allegiance to Israel over that of
America.
You must also certainly recognize that the agenda of the
Jewish-dominated news media can seriously conflict with the interests
of the American people. I pray that you as our President will
single-mindedly put the interests of the American people first, last
and always.
The tragic events of September 11 did not happen because people hate
America's freedom. Unless we examine the root causes of the growing
hatred against our country, we shall be doomed to suffer more terrible
days like September 11. Let us not be drawn into the hatreds and blood
feuds of foreign nations.
May God keep and protect you Mr. President. And may he also give
America and all the American people his shining protection.
You have in your hands the most powerful sword on earth. At this
critical moment in American history may God grant you the wisdom to
use its power to heal rather than to inflame an even greater cycle of
hate and violence against the American people.
In whatever course of action you take, I urge you to defy the power of
the Zionist lobby which serves the interests of a foreign nation, and
put first the safety and interests of the American people.
In Your Service, and for America!
David Duke
Sep 20, 2001
Joe
fertilizer, you right wing extremist piece of shit?
spacepunk
when trying to justify it's own Nazi-like actions.
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this kid Craig Whats-his-name by sending him a get well card" chain letter.
The redneck below thinks Sharon made the quote Oct 3, 2001! I read that
so-called quote on the web in 1996!
S Bodi
>> .... he forgets to mention that Israel has been attacked by
>> their neighbors on multiple occasions... and it being attacked by the
>> militants from within Palestine at this time.
And you forget to mention that Israel chose its position in the middle
east (or it was chosen for them) with uttermost carelessness and
disregard for the people of the land. Israel, by founding itself in
the way it did, virutally signed itself up for war.
Binyamin Dissen
:>>> .... he forgets to mention that Israel has been attacked by
Yep, it is always the JOOOOOOZZZZZZ fault.
Why do they insist on living on earth?
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@netvision.net.il>
Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
S Bodi
>
>:>And you forget to mention that Israel chose its position in the middle
>:>east (or it was chosen for them) with uttermost carelessness and
>:>disregard for the people of the land. Israel, by founding itself in
>:>the way it did, virutally signed itself up for war.
>
>Yep, it is always the JOOOOOOZZZZZZ fault.
>
>Why do they insist on living on earth?
No it's not the Jews fault. It is the fault of those who decided to go
to Israel. That's not everybody. It is also the fault of whoever
helped them get there.
Part of the problem now is, should or should not Israelis who were
born in Palestine be punished for the deeds of their fathers and
grandfathers, and great-grandfathers too I suppose. They have, after
all, known no other home.
S Bodi
>stephen Hill...............American
> >The following material was written by an American Christian
> >professor. Here are some conveniently overlooked facts in
> >the current Middle east situation. It's important information to know since
> >we don't get fair and accurate reporting from the media and
> >facts tend to get lost in the jumble of daily events.
> >
> >HERE ARE THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT
> >1. * Nationhood and Jerusalem...Israel became a nation in
> >1312 BCE.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
There were earlier settlers including the Canaanites who were
originally from the Arabian Peninsula. In any case I do not think the
"thousands of years" argument is relevant. I also see the Israelis as
ethnically and culturally Europeans, rather than Middle Eastern
people, and the thousands of years of so-called exile have no bearing
in my mind. If a religious argument is to be proposed (which
thankfully has not been done) then it can easily be opposed by
arguments of similar, if not more vigor, from the Arab side.
> >2. * Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as
> >part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the
> >establishment of the modern State of Israel.
Possibly. Arabs across the Arab world started identifying geographical
boundaries to their countries post-colonially - in modern history. I
am only talking since the period 1200AD - 1400AD (I can't be exact).
This does not mean that a foreign group is eligible to colonise the
area.
> >3. * Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have
> >had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a
> >continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
Dominion for all this time? unlikely. What is dominion anyway? However
they have always been present, and these are the Middle Eastern Jews,
not European Jews. I hope you see that my argument is one of ethnicity
and culture, rather than of pure religion.
> >4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E.
> >lasted no more than 22 years.
I don't know. I am not sure what is meant by dominion. Again, though,
there was never a European dominion during these times which have been
mentioned.
> >5. * For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish
> >capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab
> >or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied
> >Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and
> >Arab leaders did not come to visit.
Yes but again, Jew does not equal European. A capital needs to be in a
country too, and a country should be based on ethnic, geographic and
historical boundaries. [Israelis would probably argue that they are
historically and ethnically linked].
I do not advocate the killing of Jews or the expulsion of the people
of the Middle East, of whatever religion. But European colonisation,
that's what I oppose.
> >6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the
> >Jewish **Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in
> >the Koran.
I'm not sure about that. You would need to ask a scholar of Islam. I
believe there are references to Jerusalem, even if it is not named
"Al-Quds", there are other ways of referring to it in Arabic. In any
case this is irrelevant. Nineveh and Babylon are mentioned in the
Bible never in the Quran, does this mean that these areas should
become exclusive Christian states?
> >7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never
> >came to *Jerusalem.
Irrelevant again. David, however, is recognised by Muslims and
mentioned in the Quran. Many Muslims would want to put forward the
importance of Jerusalem to Islam, which is irrelevant too except where
it works as a counter-argument to no.7 above.
> >8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs
> >toward *Jerusalem.
I find this insulting. Jews pray with their backs to Mecca do they? In
any case it depends on where you're living. If you're living southeast
of Mecca then, well, you'll be facing both Mecca and Jerusalem won't
you.
> >9. * Arab and Jewish Refugees In 1948 the Arab refugees were
> >encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to
> >purge the land of Jews Sixty-eight percent left without!
> >Ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
Agreed. One of the many bad things Arab leaders have done. It doesn't
stop there either.
Still irrelevant as to who should be in Palestine. It is important to
realise that as much as the West has to do to solve the problem in
Palestine, so do Arab leaders, especially those of Jordan, Syria,
Lebanon, the Gulf countries and Egypt - but ideally all Arab
countries.
> >10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands
> >due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
Probably. Arabs are no more or less brutal than any other people in
the world though. Anyway, which Jewish refugees are we talking about?
> >11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is
> >estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish
> >refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
I believe the total number of Palestinians who have fled or have
become refugees *since* then is much more. If Prof is talking about
just the one year then maybe he's right.
> >12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or
> >integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite
> >the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000 refugees since
> >World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world
> >that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own
> >peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed
> >into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New
> >Jersey.
100,000 refugees or refugee groups? Does not fit with previous number.
True the Arab leaders and even the Arab people have not been helping.
Whether this was with some malice intended I would not think so.
In any case what is put forward does not provide a reason for Jews to
be seen as better than Arabs, or to glorify the Jewish state. If the
Jews could fit into New Jersey then why didn't they go there.
> >13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict; The Arabs are represented
> >by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians.
> >There is only one *Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated
> >all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time
> >and won.
Israel defended itself. So did Britain, France and the US.
What eight nations is Prof talking about?
Did the Arabs initiate the wars? and even so, they had as much right
as anybody ever had to start a war.
> >14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of
> >the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most
> >of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian
> >Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.
It irritates me (truly) when people talk about Israel "giving" land,
or making "concessions" as if it owns it. That's like me stealing
someone's one million dollars, keeping it for 50 years, then giving
them 10% of the interest earned just because they won't stop bugging
me about it.
> >15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated
> >and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under
> >Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been
> >preserved and made accessible to people *of all faiths.
Not a very convincing argument for Israeli justice. In any case, the
Arabs should learn to value all religions and peoples without the
benificence of Israeli know-how, thank you very much.
> >16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175
> >Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were
> >directed against *Israel.
Is that so?
> >17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before
> >1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
After 1990 it must have been Iraq getting all the hits eh :)
> >18. The U.N was silent while the Jordanians destroyed 58
> >Jerusalem Synagogues.
Were they? Top points for consistency. Who bribed them this time?
> >19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically
> >desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of
> >Olives.
Probably. What year was this again?
> >20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an
> >apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the
> >Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
When are we talking here?
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"Sometimes, I feel like I should keep my mouth shut."
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arshel
It's well known; somebody who eat the pork will never understand the
"jewish problem"!
Mike
> By the way, that Sharon "quote" has been around almost as long as the "help
> this kid Craig Whats-his-name by sending him a get well card" chain letter.
> The redneck below thinks Sharon made the quote Oct 3, 2001! I read that
> so-called quote on the web in 1996!
>
> IR wrote:
>
> > The Arabs did it and we know. (was: Re: Israel a True Terrorist State
> >
> > ir
> > "Joe" <u...@USA.com> wrote in message news:3BF91F11...@USA.com...
> > > Taken out of context as usual. So are you gonna load the ol' pickup with
> > > fertilizer, you right wing extremist piece of shit?
> > >
> > > Gentleman Jim wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:10:38 -0500, Joe <U...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Here's an answer to your question, right-wing moron:
While stationed in Libya before the advent of Colonel Khadafy we
were taking down some storage tents prior to embarkation to Malaysia.I
alway remember an incident where a Arab youth held an axe above my
head in what I thought was a joking fashion.I recently spoke to an
Israli soldier on some type of mission to Canada and he assured me
that "if your own guys wern't around he would have killed you."I asked
him why and he stated it was becuase I was a Caucasian.It seems that
Arab hate is biological and all talk of peace is just a bluff in order
to put the adversary at a disadvantage , a type of wheedling of the
"please sir I have not much money" type of thing.And for the last
thirty years we have been taught that only whites are racist
Austin Powers
g.ford
never before i had thought of the israel as a terrorist nation, and i
still do not. but what kind of peaceful nation would attack an
american warship, and then deny it ,and try and blame it onto an
othere nation, that is a disgusting, guttless act. israel does no
longer seem to be a innocent nation, but a sceeming nation, who we
need to watch out for here in america/britain. it seems to be making
us fight its battles for them. i just hope it does not start up an
american/british clash.
John Smith®
> > > Here's another one from a right-wing moron who you may agree with...
> > >
> > > "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will
> > > do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry
> > > about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
> > > America, and the Americans know it."
> > > - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
yeah right, like he ever said that. care to provide a
reference??? no, i didn't think you could.
Jon Duan
As for the credibility of the reference, you'll have to decide for yourself.
I think it's about as believable as the French ambassador's quote - a slip
of the tongue he never meant to see publicly quoted anywhere, but accurately
reflecting his true feelings.
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John Smith®
>
> The reference is right here: http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm
> As for the credibility of the reference, you'll have to decide for yourself.
> I think it's about as believable as the French ambassador's quote - a slip
> of the tongue he never meant to see publicly quoted anywhere, but accurately
> reflecting his true feelings.
how could i ever possibly question the credibility of a reference
that begins with the dateline "occupied jerusalem"? ;-)
get real. it's not a "slip of the tongue", but rather pure confabulation.
http://arabterrorism.tripod.com
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> Jon Duan wrote:
> >
> > The reference is right here: http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm
> > As for the credibility of the reference, you'll have to decide for
yourself.
> > I think it's about as believable as the French ambassador's quote - a
slip
> > of the tongue he never meant to see publicly quoted anywhere, but
accurately
> > reflecting his true feelings.
>
> how could i ever possibly question the credibility of a reference
> that begins with the dateline "occupied jerusalem"? ;-)
>
> get real. it's not a "slip of the tongue", but rather pure confabulation.
>
> http://arabterrorism.tripod.com
>
>
> > "John Smith®" <johnsm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message