Appeal to Thaceray not to let Salman marry Aishwarya .
Mo
the next generations . So he should convert to Hinduism if he wants to
marry her..
Thackeray to prevent Salman, Aishwariya from marrying
By Nusrat Javeed
NEW DELHI: Mega star and beauty queen Aishwariya Rai's family is
approaching Bal Thackeray, the don-style boss of the chauvinistic Shev
Sena, to save their million-dollar girl from a Muslim maverick actor --
popular and handsome Salman Khan -- who wants to marry the Hindu
superstar. Rai's family is following the example of many Hindu parents
of upcoming showbiz dames who have often approached 'Bala Sahib' in the
past to wean their daughters away from the bad, 'Muslim' guys.
The family of Aishwariya was advised to seek protection from Bal
Thackeray when the former Miss Universe reportedly lost her heart under
the 'evil spell' of Salman Khan, the muscle baring star from a Muslim
background. After talking to some of Ms Rai's relatives, Panchajanya --
the mass circulation official RSS weekly -- claimed in its latest issue
that Salman Khan is making life miserable for Rai and her family
because they are opposing their marriage.
First, he manipulated the winning of her heart by incessant stalking,
chasing and theatric displays of emotions. Now her family has been
threatened of dire consequences, if they try to create hurdles in their
marriage plans.
Already, he is alleged to have assaulted Rai and her relatives. Bala
Sahib has saved some other stars in the past as well. Mala Sinha, a
veteran film star was one, for example. Her daughter was 'saved' from
falling under the spell of Nadeem, a music director with underworld
contacts. You can't be sure of Salman Khan either. After all, he has
the 'criminal record' of spending a night in police lock up for hunting
a stag.
Some also suspect him to have rubbed shoulders with bookies named in
high blown scandals of match fixing. And, it is not Salman's chasing of
Aishwarya that Panchajanya is upset about. It wants to find out why all
of Salman's brothers have already married Hindu girls. What are
the 'motives'? More noticed is the marriage of Arbaaz Khan with
Malaika, the dusty Cheeyaan-Cheeyaan girl, overexposing herself on MTV
these days.
In bigot fury, the magazine has totally disregarded the pop numbers,
Arbaaz and Malaika have cut to glorify the homecoming of a war-winning
soldier, during the 'patriotic hype' Indian media was building in post-
Kargil days. It is not for the first time that the possibility of an
inter-communal marriage among superstars has become controversial for
chattering classes.
Ironically, though, it was the Muslim community which was made to
feel 'the loss of its girl to a Hindu' by many in 1950s, when the
legendary Nargis decided to marry Sunil Dutt. Before her marriage to
Sunil, the cinema going mass of the Muslim community very seriously
believed that Dilip and Raj Kapoor, one Muslim and the other Hindu, did
not miss a moment to fight over her. Raj Kapoor was even presumed to
have played foul during the shooting of a blockbuster, Andaz. Nargis
was already shown to have married Raj in that film.
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shah arrest......
sri...@my-deja.com
from making a fool of herself. It is things like these that give the
pseudo-secs a handle to beat the Shivsena with.
In article <95465h$gr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Mo <mo2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If she converts to Islam there will be a lot of Jihadis born over
> the next generations . So he should convert to Hinduism if he wants to
> marry her..
>
Mo
convert out of Islam and expect the other faiths not to retaliate .
Hindus should only be allowed to convert to Xtianity , Judaism ,
Buddhism and Paganism as they can reconvert if they want but with Islam
its a one way trip to a life of endless misery and hence must be banned
and if Ash insists , she should be put in jail for a few years and
nobody should watch her movies or those of Salman.
Those who take advantage of Hindu liberalism to make these movies
should not be allowed to then undermine it with these kind of
conversions..
In article <954k2u$e5l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
sri...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I do hope Thackeray has better things to do than to prevent someone
> from making a fool of herself. It is things like these that give the
> pseudo-secs a handle to beat the Shivsena with.
brao
>from making a fool of herself. It is things like these that give the
>pseudo-secs a handle to beat the Shivsena with.
If this report is factual, then it is disgusting to see people trying
to turn India into a place as loathsome as Pakistan, a country in
which women are legally and socially nothing more or less than
chattel.
My personal views.
Bapa Rao
David Starr
against the wishes of you, your extended family? I know even intercaste or
intertribe marriages or intergotra marriages are discouraged in much of
hindu India.
Dave
"brao" <br...@pollux.usc.edu> wrote in message
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sri...@my-deja.com
> If this report is factual, then it is disgusting to see people trying
> to turn India into a place as loathsome as Pakistan, a country in
> which women are legally and socially nothing more or less than
> chattel.
>
> My personal views.
>
> Bapa Rao
>
India wont go the pakistan way - not unless it turns Islamic.
Dakshin Gandikota
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Khan-Rai, or plain old smoked-salmon? ;)
Mo wrote:
>
> If she converts to Islam there will be a lot of Jihadis born over
> the next generations . So he should convert to Hinduism if he wants to
> marry her..
Good idea, but you know where all the streams lead to..:)
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Niraj Agarwalla
Bal Thakeray, and his cohorts in the Shiv Sena, are nothing more than
fascists. And trying to stop this "mega" wedding is nothing but
grandstanding of the worst order. Groups like Shiv Sena like to whip up
enmity between Hindus and Muslims for the sake of political power. That
the people of Maharastra have chosen these clowns to be their leader does
reflect nicely on them.
I'm sure there are hundreds of weddings between Hindus, Muslims,
Christians, etc., every day. I don't see them trying to stop those.
If miss Ms. Rai wants to marry Mr. Khan, then let them. And if she
chooses to convert to Islam, or him to Hinduism, then so be it. Who are
we to intefere in their beliefs.
--
Niraj Agarwalla -=-=- ni...@shore.net
Mo
love India just as much if it was an Islamic Paradise like
Afghanistan ? - no music , no movies , no TV , women in ugly black
burqas forced to stay home uneducated after age 8 behind blackened
windowns and whipped if they show an ankle ?
Men forced to pray five times a day in the mosque . I havent prayed
with a sincere heart since I became an atheist and would hate to be
forced to do it .
If not , then you cant accept Hindu girls becoming Muslims and having
future generations of Jihadists dedicated to killing Hindus according
to verse 9/5 in the Quran 'slay the idol worshippers wherever you find
them'. I bet you havent even bothered to read an online edition of the
Quran which is the smallest holy book .
Aish can marry Salman and he can stay a Muslim , but she cant be
allowed to convert to Islam as that would send a signal to millions
that Hindus dont care to defend their freedoms..
Mo
sri...@my-deja.com
Niraj Agarwalla <ni...@shore.net> wrote:
>
> Bal Thakeray, and his cohorts in the Shiv Sena, are nothing more
than
> fascists. And trying to stop this "mega" wedding is nothing but
> grandstanding of the worst order. Groups like Shiv Sena like to whip
up
> enmity between Hindus and Muslims for the sake of political power.
That
> the people of Maharastra have chosen these clowns to be their leader
does
> reflect nicely on them.
I suppose a lot of people have a compulsion to appear *progressive*,
and the easiest way to prove that is by throwing cliched abuses at
Thackeray, who, if nothing else is an upstanding patriot. In anycase,
the enmity between hindus and muslims has been there for a millenium
and over. It is not created by Thackeray.
But u do have a point when u say that trying to prevent an actress from
marrying a muslim so and so amounts to grandstanding. And *that* is no
cliche.
DIWAN AHMED
exhort the faithfuls to seduce and trap Hindu women and many vulnerable
teens fall prey to such predatory entrapments leaving many helpless parents
with nothing but anguish and shattered families. If you need to feel that
progressive, please feel free to offer your sister or daughter to any
wayword lafang that comes along. But spare us your cliches.
brao
David Starr <sdiva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>BRao, what would you do if your sister or daughter wanted to marry a muslim
>against the wishes of you, your extended family? I know even intercaste or
>intertribe marriages or intergotra marriages are discouraged in much of
>hindu India.
It is a disgusting question showing a contemptible mentality worthy of
a third-rate barabaric culture like Pakistan, and totally undeserving
of being called Indian. Law in Pakistan designates sisters and
daughters and other female members of family as property of the
broters, fathers, etc., so that they can impose their will on the life
decisions of the women of the family. Law in India recognizes all
people, regardless of caste, religion, or gender as free human beings
and full citizens. I am a proud Indian. There is no question of my
trying to control the life of any sister. You, on the other hand, seem
to be some kind of Pakistani provocateur out to defame India.
DIWAN AHMED
famliy and not an atomized individual. Individuals do not exist in a vaccum.
They are part of loving families. Family is not a commercial venture where every
member is an asset or a property. Family is a mutual bond that ties every member
in a loving relationship - where self-centered actions by individuals can
dis-integrate family and hurt many. Just as aspiring suiter seeking to form a
new family by matrimony demands that the sancity of his newly formed family be
accorded and respected, he/she must also respect that he/she too is part of
somebody's family that also need to be respected. Marraiges add to the family
and not subtract from the family. Marrages have to unite both families and not
just two individuals. Thus building consensus in the family regarding
matrimonial matters as socially sound policy practiced for ages in India. If you
think women are public property that anybody can raid anybody's family to seduce
or snatch women from anybody's families, it would re-invent moghal tyranny all
over again. What is next? You can extend the same claim that even wives are not
anybodys 'property' and hence they are public 'property' up for grabs. We don't
want anarchy in family sphere that has ruined family institutions in the west.
If you want to offer your sister to the biggest seducer, be my guest. But don't
you lay your I-am-so-ashamed-of-Indians tirade on people trying to maintain the
wel-being of their families. When it comes to family values, some of us are not
'progressive' at all and very proud of it.
aryan...@my-deja.com
------> so has your sister eloped with her muslim boyfriend?? or are you
inciting her to do such a thing so that you can save on some dowry?? no
wonder with such guys around more and more hindu girls are sucking
mullah half dicks ---
>
--
Conserve Nature
The Best Teacher
Preserve Culture
For Better Future
don_...@my-deja.com
funny actually.. he is a pathetic individual indian whos life revloves
around slagging muslims and pakistanis off...!! real
SOC.RELIGIONS.ISLAM and see wat crap he posts...!!
And about ure point of view is fair enuff... but it really irritates me
to think how indians especially believe the fact that all pakistanis
are scum... because of the way they think treat women etc...!! But the
truth is its got nuthing to do with islam...!! Its all cultural
beliefs... which stem from the roots of india before the
seperation...!! Are u trying to say that in india there are no women
being burnt to death, women treated like shit, child labour etc... its
all bollox... what happens in pakistan happens in india itself... even
though i aint proud of such things its life it just happens...!! No
point of pointing the finger at the pakistanis or the indians... we
gotta learn to tackle such backward minded shit...!! Pathetic!!
David Starr
<don_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:95624l$kst$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> BRAO - Are u calling David Starr a pakistani... haahhahaha...!! quite
> funny actually.. he is a pathetic individual indian whos life revloves
> around slagging muslims and pakistanis off...!! real
> SOC.RELIGIONS.ISLAM and see wat crap he posts...!!
Hey, I plead guilty to pissing on Quran and Allah everyday.
Piss man, take it easy.
Dave
don_...@my-deja.com
David Starr
You may be confusing me with your prophet Mohammed. The sob sodomized
his own daughter-in-law Zainab, not to mention the preteen slut Aisha.
Piss to you man. Take it easy.
Dave
--
Islam is a gutter religion based on dumbass arab culture.
Its founder Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch and a
mad lunatic.
I piss on Mohammed (pig shit be upon him), Allah (pig shit
be upon him) and Quran (dumbass arabic crap) everyday.
ISLAM stands for the following:
[I] = Incest
[S] = Sodomy
[L] = Looting
[A] = Asslifting
[M] = Murder
Mo
language. Kids read these groups as well..
OM
P.G.Gopal
rights of any person who wants to consummate a personal act,albeit a Hindu to marry
a Muslim. That is a personal act only btw the the man and the women. No one else has
rights so long as the couple are 'free brown and 21' which in this case they are.
India appears to be in the throes of re-defining itself and unfortunately the Hindu
Mullahs can be as bigoted as Muslims ones.
Gopal
DIWAN AHMED
"P.G.Gopal" wrote:
> Mr. Ahmed you might be as regressive as you wish but you must not impinge on the
> rights of any person who wants to consummate a personal act,albeit a Hindu to marry
> a Muslim.
It is regressive to impinge on parental rights and rights of families and impose your
imported individualism on rest of the unwilling.
Nobody has a right to marry my daughter. Go to constitution if you want to complain.
> That is a personal act only btw the the man and the women.
If may be so in your whorehouse. But civilized sociaties consider marraige as a
family-building ritual of sacred proportion. It is a social instituion, a whole
community affair, a union of two sets of families, a family event and not just a dick
and cunt union of lagfangs.
> No one else has
> rights so long as the couple are 'free brown and 21' which in this case they are.
You seem to watch too much of Bolliwood fantasies (infested with underworld mafias
trying to make whores of out of women of other families) If you trample on rights of
families, no rights you cherish will remain safe including your right to fornicate any
women you want.
>
> India appears to be in the throes of re-defining itself and unfortunately the Hindu
> Mullahs can be as bigoted as Muslims ones.
Don't you guys love islamic mullas and bigots of all anti-Hindu variety? Its about time
you begin to love Hindu bigots too. I give you full rights to love Hindu Bigots. happy?
sri...@my-deja.com
>
> It is a disgusting question showing a contemptible mentality worthy of
> a third-rate barabaric culture like Pakistan, and totally undeserving
> of being called Indian. Law in Pakistan designates sisters and
> daughters and other female members of family as property of the
> broters, fathers, etc., so that they can impose their will on the life
> decisions of the women of the family. Law in India recognizes all
> people, regardless of caste, religion, or gender as free human beings
> and full citizens. I am a proud Indian. There is no question of my
> trying to control the life of any sister. You, on the other hand, seem
> to be some kind of Pakistani provocateur out to defame India.
>
> My personal views.
>
> Bapa Rao
Is this vehemance real or contrived? Or is it the pathalogical
compulsion of "progressives" to live up to a certain image by abusing
Thackeray, VHP and other like minded "fundies"?
India stands more defamed by people with false pretences than
by "communal fundies" like Thackeray. Thackeray to his credit at least
owns up the country, he also does not give himself fanciful
intellectual airs.
wasimu...@my-deja.com
honest earning.
don_faddy Your are the voice of million people.
In article <956j3n$22r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
don_...@my-deja.com wrote:
David Starr
news:9578r6$nmt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Though I would not use these words but for Dave I think it is his
> honest earning.
I plead guilty to pissing on Koran and Allah everyday.
Dave
Shomir
DIWAN AHMED wrote:
> Helping the helpless Hindu parents is no grandstanding. Mullah and mosque
> exhort the faithfuls to seduce and trap Hindu women and many vulnerable
> teens fall prey to such predatory entrapments leaving many helpless parents
> with nothing but anguish and shattered families. If you need to feel that
> progressive, please feel free to offer your sister or daughter to any
> wayword lafang that comes along. But spare us your cliches.
If Hindu culture is all about providing 'guided existence' to the female
members of the society by the males, how different is it than the Mulla
dominated society most of the Hindus in these NGs complain about all the time?
Seems to me that the parents of Ms Aishwarya Rai failed in providing her the
"proper" Hindu upbringing, in the first place. Ms Aishwarya Rai grew up in
India under fairly controlled cultural system. How could the parents and other
members of the family not been more observant of her commingling with people
whom they do not approve of? It is not a question of a Muslim marrying a Hindu
girl. The same problem would have arisen if she were to marry a Christian or a
Sikh boy..or dare I say even a boy from a scheduled caste family. I wonder
what my Hindu fundamentalist friends have to say about such a liaison.
Clearly, Ms Aishwarya Rai's family is being hypocritical now by approaching a
local goon to prevent the marriage from taking place. If they feel so strongly
against this marriage, they should declare that they do not approve of the
marriage and if she still carried out her plan, then she would have nothing to
do with the family. But I doubt they have the backbone to do that, because she
has been the "kamdhenu gai" for the family, who thrived on her wealth and fame.
As far as I am concerned, two consenting adults can do whatever they wish to,
it is no one's business to interfere, however strongly one might feel about it.
Shomir
====================
Mo
bringing that up and remain blind to the danger.
Its her conversion to Islam and bringing her children up with verses
of the Quran like 9/5 slay the Hindus wherever you find them and
destroy their temples .
Its time the Hindus said enough is enough and we wont tolerate this
kind of nonsense in Mother India , land of Hindus..
man...@my-deja.com
assaulted Ms. Beauty as well. Ms. Beauty's parents fear that this Brat
would leave their daughter after using her, leaving her a custody of a
few kids and move on to another beauty. Religion is not a bigger issue
here as the character of the Brat is, IMO.
But who are these people to object to this holy matrimony if the Beauty
has a fetish for domination, spanking and beating.
Attn. Mo, it gets even worse, the BJP Beauty would be bringing up the
jehadi kids who will think that it is their 'dharma' to kill the
hindus, which otherwise would have been oppressing the lower class
hindus and working towards meteing out a sub-human life to them.
What is the difference?
In article <3A782545...@My-dejanews.com>,
Shomir
and she could pass on the message to Mr. Khan. As far as I know there are
now laws in India that prohibit cohabitation of people of different
religion. Now, if Ms. Aishwarya is so deeply in love with the guy (who
allegedly abused her and her family), she has to make up her mind whether
her marriage is more important than her cultural heritage and her parent's
desires.
A marriage is an arrangement between two consenting adults, and in all
fairness the couple should have the freedom to decide how they wish to
conduct themselves. I do not think that it is appropriate to bring a
political anti-social character to resolve the problem. No self
respecting individual should yield to this type of coercion, nor should
they let the "society" dictate what is good for them. This is not a
secular/non-secular issue. This is about the rights of individuals in a
free country.
Let me also read the authors know that I am neither a fan of Mr. Khan, nor
Ms. Aishwarya Rai, both of whom I consider C grade artists.
Shomir
==========================
David Starr
Taal was the first movie I have seen in which Aishwarya Rai had a role.
She did okay in the movie. Sweet role of an innocent pahadi girl who
later became a MTV style dancing singing model. Still okay.
I hate and detest Salmon Khan. He is horrible. He thinks he is being
cute, but he always sucks, I mean sucks bad. He resorted to farting in
one serious movie. His personalities in all his movies are all multiple
personalities with baby face shy guy with downcast eyes to next second
mtv style dancing singing joker to next second farting in front of
girls. Very disgusting. Don't get me wrong and think that I dislike him
because he is a muslim. I very much like the always jolly and funny
Shah Rukh Khan (except in Mohabatein which sucked bad).
Dave
Niraj Agarwalla
> I suppose a lot of people have a compulsion to appear *progressive*,
> and the easiest way to prove that is by throwing cliched abuses at
> Thackeray, who, if nothing else is an upstanding patriot. In anycase,
> the enmity between hindus and muslims has been there for a millenium
> and over. It is not created by Thackeray.
>
> But u do have a point when u say that trying to prevent an actress from
> marrying a muslim so and so amounts to grandstanding. And *that* is no
> cliche.
What kind of a patriot can Thackeray be when he such a Muslim-baiter?
Him and his ilk are an anethama (sic) to the very fiber of India's being.
Niraj Agarwalla
> Helping the helpless Hindu parents is no grandstanding. Mullah and mosque
> exhort the faithfuls to seduce and trap Hindu women and many vulnerable
> teens fall prey to such predatory entrapments leaving many helpless parents
> with nothing but anguish and shattered families. If you need to feel that
> progressive, please feel free to offer your sister or daughter to any
> wayword lafang that comes along. But spare us your cliches.
By your rationale all Hindus are a bunch of gullible simpletons who are
easily bamboozled. I think Hindus and Hinduism deserves better credit
than that.
Niraj Agarwalla
Even a notorious Muslim-baiter wouldn't stoop this low with such
incredulous hysterics. Like this one marriage, albeit a very high-profile
one, will cause the downfall of Hindu civilization as we know it. Get
real.
p.s.
Recently, Hrithik Roshan just married a Muslim girl. I didn't here one
decibel of opposition about that marriage. Is the Hindu civilization
going to fall into a million pieces?
DIWAN AHMED
only than one can qualify as a good patriot. Alas...but for thugs like
Thackrey, our secular civilization is forever ruined! So shameful and
embarrasing I can't show my face to the world!
DIWAN AHMED
Niraj Agarwalla wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, DIWAN AHMED wrote:
>
> > Helping the helpless Hindu parents is no grandstanding. Mullah and mosque
> > exhort the faithfuls to seduce and trap Hindu women and many vulnerable
> > teens fall prey to such predatory entrapments leaving many helpless parents
> > with nothing but anguish and shattered families. If you need to feel that
> > progressive, please feel free to offer your sister or daughter to any
> > wayword lafang that comes along. But spare us your cliches.
>
>
> By your rationale all Hindus are a bunch of gullible simpletons who are
> easily bamboozled.
No. That is what our Psecular thugs and our secular Mullas would want - hindus
totally atomized from their collective strength, isolated from their religion and
their leaders, preyed upon for power gains and gratifications. Sorry. You wont be
able to bamboozle Hindus like that.
> I think Hindus and Hinduism deserves better credit
> than that.
>
No thanks. Hindus will earn their own credit and want no handouts from Pseudo
brigade.
DIWAN AHMED
Niraj Agarwalla wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Mo wrote:
>
> > It is not her marriage to a Muslim although lefties will keep
> > bringing that up and remain blind to the danger.
> > Its her conversion to Islam and bringing her children up with verses
> > of the Quran like 9/5 slay the Hindus wherever you find them and
> > destroy their temples .
> > Its time the Hindus said enough is enough and we wont tolerate this
> > kind of nonsense in Mother India , land of Hindus..
>
> Even a notorious Muslim-baiter wouldn't stoop this low with such
> incredulous hysterics.
No. Only Hindu-baiters would
> Like this one marriage, albeit a very high-profile
> one, will cause the downfall of Hindu civilization as we know it. Get
> real.
>
It will not cause downfall of secular civilization if Hindus don't marry
Moslems. You just worry about Islamic civilization and let Hindu worry about
theirs.
If you want to build real bridges, there are plenty of areas where healing and
goodwill from Moslems is needed by Hindus - when time comes to build bridges
there, our famed psecularists do nothing but run like chickens and fan Islamic
fundamentalism to add to the fire. We don't want your phony matrimonial
bridges. We want real ones. Unfortunately, your fanatic ilks are the obstacle
in the progress there.
DIWAN AHMED
Shomir wrote:
> DIWAN AHMED wrote:
>
> > Helping the helpless Hindu parents is no grandstanding. Mullah and mosque
> > exhort the faithfuls to seduce and trap Hindu women and many vulnerable
> > teens fall prey to such predatory entrapments leaving many helpless parents
> > with nothing but anguish and shattered families. If you need to feel that
> > progressive, please feel free to offer your sister or daughter to any
> > wayword lafang that comes along. But spare us your cliches.
>
> If Hindu culture is all about providing 'guided existence' to the female
> members of the society by the males, how different is it than the Mulla
> dominated society most of the Hindus in these NGs complain about all the time?
>
You just answered why matrimonial relationships with Mulla dominated society is
subject of complain in this NG.
Secondly, you are trying frame the family issue in gender terms using feminist
lingo. Inside family institution, family members do have 'guided existance' and
major decisions are taken after forming a consensus with the elders. Its an age old
Hindu practice.
>
> Seems to me that the parents of Ms Aishwarya Rai failed in providing her the
> "proper" Hindu upbringing, in the first place. Ms Aishwarya Rai grew up in
> India under fairly controlled cultural system. How could the parents and other
> members of the family not been more observant of her commingling with people whom
> they do not approve of?
Why blame parents when you don't want to concede parental rights and freedom of
family institution?
> It is not a question of a Muslim marrying a Hindu girl.
Obviously, it is not an issue for you. It is not your daughter afterall and so what
do you care if she marries a mulla or mule. You have seen enough bangladeshis at
close quarters and addition of one more is not going to ruffle your feathers but
add more power to your creed of psecualrism as votebank swells by few more.
> The same problem would have arisen if she were to marry a Christian or a
> Sikh boy..or dare I say even a boy from a scheduled caste family. I wonder
> what my Hindu fundamentalist friends have to say about such a liaison.
>
Hindu-xian does not provoke as much response as Hindu-moslem for simple reason.
There is no overt xian policy to use marraiges with Hindus as part of humiliation
politics. Secondly, no reconcilliation and healing has taken place among Hindus and
moslems. For moslems, the continuation of inflicting wrongs continues from past to
present to future uninturrupted and unabated. Thridly, a whole new poltical class
has emerged - the psecular fundamentalists, who are exploiting and keeping these
issues captive and perpetuated for their own political games to the detriment of
Hindus. Pleas of our Psecular fundamentalists no longer impress Hindus.
>
> Clearly, Ms Aishwarya Rai's family is being hypocritical now by approaching a
> local goon to prevent the marriage from taking place.
The family is doing the noble thing in seeking the help of influential people as is
cutomary, when in need, in Hindu society. And Thackrey is an excellent Hindu leader
with a genuine interests of Hindu families at heart.(We can not say the same about
many crooks who pose as secular leaders) He is more patriotic than all psecular
thugs combined. And Thackery is all the more relevent when you are army of
mullas(and secular thugs as well) lined up to threaten the Rai family.
> If they feel so strongly
> against this marriage, they should declare that they do not approve of the
> marriage and if she still carried out her plan, then she would have nothing to
> do with the family.
Don't feel so strongly. Let the family do the 'feeling strongly' part. And they
would handle the situtation as best they want to handle. They don't need a
certificate from psecualr goons what to do.
> But I doubt they have the backbone to do that, because she
> has been the "kamdhenu gai" for the family, who thrived on her wealth and fame.
>
She is not going to stay unmarried all her life and ,of all the people, her
parents know it better than you do. Sure, you would want to belittle parents'
reservations about unholy marraige and stoop so low to impute motives. I am sure
this how corrupted and rootless and valueless psecular families look at their own
children.
>
> As far as I am concerned, two consenting adults can do whatever they wish to,
> it is no one's business to interfere, however strongly one might feel about it.
Keep your strong feeling to yourself and perhaps practice it in your own family.
But don't impose or interfere in the business of Rai's family, however strongly you
DIWAN AHMED
Shomir wrote:
> The lady, Ms. Aishwarya Rai can very well decide not to convert to Islam,
> and she could pass on the message to Mr. Khan.
Update your knowledge of Islam please. It is not up to the lady if she wants
or does not want to convert to Islam. The moslem community demands that
newly-wed from other faith must convert to Islam. Its not left to individual
choice.
> As far as I know there are
> now laws in India that prohibit cohabitation of people of different
> religion.
Who gives a hoot about what laws says about this kind of matters? Frame
uniform laws and than come back to resume these arguments.
> Now, if Ms. Aishwarya is so deeply in love with the guy (who
> allegedly abused her and her family), she has to make up her mind whether
> her marriage is more important than her cultural heritage and her parent's
> desires.
>
She will do that
>
> A marriage is an arrangement between two consenting adults, and in all
> fairness the couple should have the freedom to decide how they wish to
> conduct themselves.
Now that is your personal philosophy imported from some pornoland. It is not a
Hindu practice. In a civilized society, consent is not limited do just dick
and cunt, there are many more consenting adults involved. Marraige is not just
a union of pussy and prick. Its a union of two families and families take
collective decision as to in whom they entrust the welfare of their loved
ones. Sometimes parents may select the partner and sometimes lovers may find
each other, but the process does not change much - family's consent is
involved for happy famly life - and I believe that is the intent behind
marraige.
> I do not think that it is appropriate to bring a
> political anti-social character to resolve the problem.
You seem to have a very curious definition of what is anti-social. This
particulr marraige itself is anti-social and highly disruptive of social and
religious lives of families while you see those trying to reslove the muddle
as anti-social. With friends of society like you, one does not need
anti-socials. Who are you to advice Rai family?
> No self
> respecting individual should yield to this type of coercion, nor should
> they let the "society" dictate what is good for them.
And Rai, Ms Universe and a celebrated bolliwood figure in Hindu heartlend, who
is viewed as a role-model by young and the vulnerable and followed by millions
of teens - should she be able to dictate what is good for her is good for her
fans? These stars do form large community of fans and followers and whatever
these stars do is blindly imitated by them. So Stars do dictate what their
fans and followers do. Stars personal decisions are no longer personal
decisions - they are trends for public consumption. To say that they should
have no public scrutiny and be allowed to dictate trends to public
unchallenged is very hypocratical.
> This is not a
> secular/non-secular issue.
Of course, the minute you see an issue with Hindus side on a losing side, the
issue ceases to be a secular or hindu issue for you but rather a gender issue
or Individual freedom issue or a non-issue. But the minute Hindu side is found
on a winning side of the issue, the issue immediately becomes a secular issue
or a minority right issue or a constitutional one. How convinient is your
blindness.
> This is about the rights of individuals in a
> free country.
>
Do you think marraige-minded Salman Mulla is the only one who has rights and
no other people have rights? Guess what, Thackery too has his rights.
>
> Let me also read the authors know that I am neither a fan of Mr. Khan, nor
> Ms. Aishwarya Rai, both of whom I consider C grade artists.
>
I know you are defending this one for the principle - albeit psecular one.
123
me ask you a question: if you had the choice to marry your daughter to a
decent, nice Muslim who loved her or to a nasty Hindu who did not love her
and wanted to just suck up your money as dowry, to whom would you marry her?
Is it not ultimately only the individual that we are talking about that matters?
Do you sincerely believe that the world is split into good (aka hindus) and
bad (aka muslims) and that you know everything about a person by knowing
their religion? Can good people not come out of bad families? And bad
people out of
good families?
Why did KIng Bharat "upset" his mother by giving his throne to an adopted
son? Why did he tell her that she should be proud of him?
Marriage is not solely for the two individuals involved, granted. But
supposing again that your daughter wanted to marry a nice Muslim and you
opposed it on the ground that he is a Muslim, who in this case would be
acting against society, and who would be serving the higher needs of
society?
In article <3A765F28...@home.com>, DIWAN AHMED <ahmed...@home.com>
wrote:
David Starr
"123" <1...@123.com> wrote in message
news:123-100201...@user-38lcjuf.dialup.mindspring.com...
> Okay, Mr. Ahmed, granted, you have a right to protect your family. But
let
> me ask you a question: if you had the choice to marry your daughter to a
> decent, nice Muslim who loved her or to a nasty Hindu who did not love her
> and wanted to just suck up your money as dowry, to whom would you marry
her?
Let me give you two choices - first to piss on Quran and the second to piss
on Allah, which one would you chhose?
Thanks,
Dave
123
<sdi...@india.com> wrote:
What do you think you are gaining by insulting me like that?
I was asking a sincere question.
blue...@my-deja.com
1...@123.com (123) wrote:
> What do you think you are gaining by insulting me like that?
>
> I was asking a sincere question.
You must excuse Dave... he lacks even basic social skills.
David Starr
You first answer my question.
Dave
--
Islam is a gutter religion based on dumbass arab culture.
Its founder Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch and a
mad lunatic.
I piss on Mohammed (pig shit be upon him), Allah (pig shit
be upon him) and Quran (dumbass arabic crap) everyday.
ISLAM stands for the following:
[I] = Incest
[S] = Sodomy
[L] = Looting
[A] = Asslifting
[M] = Murder
David Starr
blue...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <123-100201...@user-38lcjuf.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> 1...@123.com (123) wrote:
>
> > What do you think you are gaining by insulting me like that?
> >
> > I was asking a sincere question.
>
> You must excuse Dave... he lacks even basic social skills.
If you find my question offensive, please understand that giving two
choices to a hindu to either marry off his daughter to a bad hindu or
to a good muslim may be equally offensive and shows the lack of social
skills of the person giving those two choices to a hindu.
The hindu can always find a nice hindu husband for his daughter instead
of being forced to choose from a pair of bad hindu and a good muslim.
Anyway, you burqa wearing women make me sick. But, then who wants to
see you muslim women with long beard and other facial hairs. I read
that you muslims shave your pubic hair regularly to like the preteen
slut Aisha. Right?
Dave
--
Islam is a gutter religion based on dumbass arab culture.
Its founder Mohammed was a low life son of a bitch and a
mad lunatic.
I piss on Mohammed (pig shit be upon him), Allah (pig shit
be upon him) and Quran (dumbass arabic crap) everyday.
ISLAM stands for the following:
[I] = Incest
[S] = Sodomy
[L] = Looting
[A] = Asslifting
[M] = Murder
blue...@my-deja.com
David Starr <sdiva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> If you find my question offensive, please understand that giving two
> choices to a hindu to either marry off his daughter to a bad hindu or
> to a good muslim may be equally offensive and shows the lack of social
> skills of the person giving those two choices to a hindu.
>
> The hindu can always find a nice hindu husband for his daughter
instead
> of being forced to choose from a pair of bad hindu and a good muslim.
Then all you had to do is point him to this third option in the first
place... or perhpas you just needed some time to think of this suitable
reply.
> Anyway, you burqa wearing women make me sick.
See... the above, mostly deleted paragraph, just proves what I was
saying in the first place... You have no social skills at all.
David Starr
blue...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <964agi$kvt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> David Starr <sdiva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > If you find my question offensive, please understand that giving two
> > choices to a hindu to either marry off his daughter to a bad hindu
or
> > to a good muslim may be equally offensive and shows the lack of
social
> > skills of the person giving those two choices to a hindu.
> >
> > The hindu can always find a nice hindu husband for his daughter
> instead
> > of being forced to choose from a pair of bad hindu and a good
muslim.
>
> Then all you had to do is point him to this third option in the first
> place... or perhpas you just needed some time to think of this
suitable
> reply.
You tell me sister do you want to fucked by a pig or camel?
Dave
Simer Rai
> BRao, what would you do if your sister or daughter wanted to marry a muslim
> against the wishes of you, your extended family? I know even intercaste or
> intertribe marriages or intergotra marriages are discouraged in much of
> hindu India.
> "brao" <br...@pollux.usc.edu> wrote in message
> news:954puv$qap$1...@pollux.usc.edu...
> > In article <954k2u$e5l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <sri...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > >I do hope Thackeray has better things to do than to prevent someone
> > >from making a fool of herself. It is things like these that give the
> > >pseudo-secs a handle to beat the Shivsena with.
> >
> > If this report is factual, then it is disgusting to see people trying
> > to turn India into a place as loathsome as Pakistan, a country in
> > which women are legally and socially nothing more or less than
> > chattel.
> > My personal views.
> >
> > Bapa Rao