What is jewish?
zm1...@my-deja.com
may sound that way. My question is "Is being jewish" an ethnic identity
or religious identity?
The reason I ask this is I have met many jewish people in my lifetime
ranging from mid-eastern dark to european pale. I've even seen black
jewish people. I've also seen people who say they are ethnically jewish
but are actually christian religiously. As I have also seen many white
people who converted to become jewish.
Once again this is a serious inquiry and not meant to trivialize
anyone's ethnicity or religion.
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Radagast
zm1...@my-deja.com wrote:
> OK I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone jewish even though it
> may sound that way. My question is "Is being jewish" an ethnic
identity
> or religious identity?
>
Both or Either.
> The reason I ask this is I have met many jewish people in my lifetime
> ranging from mid-eastern dark to european pale. I've even seen black
> jewish people. I've also seen people who say they are ethnically
jewish
> but are actually christian religiously. As I have also seen many white
> people who converted to become jewish.
>
> Once again this is a serious inquiry and not meant to trivialize
> anyone's ethnicity or religion.
>
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The term Jew or Jewish is overloaded (multiple meanings). You mentioned
them. You can be ethnically Jewish (of Jewish heritage) or religiously
Jewish. Someone that converts to Judaism is obviously not ethnically
Jewish, but is still a Jew. By the same token, you could be ethnically
Jewish and convert to Ba'Hai - you'd still be considered a Jew.
Ethnic Judaism isn't a race, simply a cohesive peoples that didn't
intermarry extensively with other groups. This does lend to some common
inherited characteristics for certain groups of Jews, but they are not
common to all Jews.
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Glenn
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> What is jewish?
>
> From: zm1...@my-deja.com
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> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:02:37 GMT
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>OK I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone jewish even though it
>may sound that way. My question is "Is being jewish" an ethnic identity
>or religious identity?
>
>ranging from mid-eastern dark to european pale. I've even seen black
>jewish people. I've also seen people who say they are ethnically jewish
>but are actually christian religiously. As I have also seen many white
>people who converted to become jewish.
>
>Once again this is a serious inquiry and not meant to trivialize
>anyone's ethnicity or religion.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Jews can be found in all walks of life, running around with all sorts of
skin colors -just like Muslims: black, white, yellow, whatever. Hence,
being Jewish is a religious affiliation.
It's only in the uneducted United States -full of morons and high school
dropouts- that people believe Jews are a race. Jewish doesn't even
designate a single cultural affiliation. Again, these differences are lost
on most morons in this country.
Freddy Engels
Spike White
ethnic group of Jews.
Spike
gurl power wrote in message
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it's a religion, I could be wrong but Hitler was the one that turned it
into a race thing.
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> Re: What is jewish?
>
> From: Lady_...@webtv.net (gurl power)
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> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:13:06 -0400 (EDT)
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> <WHju3.14$F5....@grover.nit.gwu.edu>
>it's a religion, I could be wrong but Hitler was the one that turned it
>into a race thing.
...you are partially correct; but Hitler had generous help from 19th
century fools like Gobineau and 20th century idiots like Houston Stewart
Chamberlain, etc.
BTW, if you watch racist nazi movies such as "Der ewige Jude" (the eternal
jew), you'll notice that Jews are depicted in the same fashion blacks were
(and, in some cases, still are) depicted in the US. Makes you kind of
wonder.....
Freddy Engels
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>
> From: "Spike White" <spike_Y...@YYdellYY.com>
> Reply to: "Spike White"
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:52:55 -0500
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> <WHju3.14$F5....@grover.nit.gwu.edu>
>It can be an ethnic thing. There are Sephardic Jews and one other
>ethnic group of Jews.
...commonly known as Ashkenaz.
Freddy Engels
>
>Spike
>
>gurl power wrote in message
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lla...@my-deja.com
Ethiopian Jews.
But seriously, though, why even consider Jews to be a separate race?
By that logic, Catholics might as well be considered as such too, when
you consider that they're sometimes the targets of hate groups.
In article <7pedko$n1c$1...@galaxy.us.dell.com>,
"Spike White" <spike_Y...@YYdellYY.com> wrote:
> It can be an ethnic thing. There are Sephardic Jews and one other
> ethnic group of Jews.
>
> Spike
>
> gurl power wrote in message
> <24651-37...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> it's a religion, I could be wrong but Hitler was the one that turned
it
> into a race thing.
>
>
Radagast
lla...@my-deja.com wrote:
> And Ashkenazic, I think. Sephardic and Ashkenazic...there are also
> Ethiopian Jews.
>
> But seriously, though, why even consider Jews to be a separate race?
> By that logic, Catholics might as well be considered as such too, when
> you consider that they're sometimes the targets of hate groups.
>
You can consider a group an ethnic group without considering them a
separate race. Ethnic encompasses much. I would consider first
generation Japanese americans an different ethnic group than first
generation Koreans, though they are of the same race. Ethnic groups
generally have a common set of customs, practices, and often common
religion, language, and history. African-Americans are not of the same
ethnic group group as African Ethiopians.
Regards,
Glenn
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"To believe our beliefs are permanent truths
encompassing reality is a sad arrogance."
-- Ursala K. LeGuin/Lao Tzu