[Life, Liberty & Levin] Trump Will Have None When He's A Prison Bitch

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> MARK LEVIN, HOST: Hello America, I am Mark Levin, this is "Life, Liberty
> & Levin" with our great guest, Heather Mac Donald, how are you?
>
>
> HEATHER MAC DONALD, FELLOW, MANHATTAN INSTITUTE: Fine, thank you, Mark.
> Thank you for having me on.
>
> LEVIN: Well, you have a BA and MA in English. You have a JD. You are a
> lawyer, but you are a scholar in so many areas -- race relations,
> immigration, policing in colleges and universities. And this is where I
> really wanted to delve in with you. You have a new book, "The Diversity
> Delusion: How race and gender pandering corrupt the university and
> undermine our culture." This so relevant today, and you that argue toxic
> ideas first spread by higher education have undermined humanistic
> values, fueled intolerance and widened division in our larger culture.
> And I think we see this everywhere now.
>
> MAC DONALD: We certainly do, the Kavanaugh hearings was an example that
> were all in gender studies 101 now, Mark. Virtually every aspect of the
> culmination of hysteria that greeted Judge Kavanaugh was perfected over
> the last decade on the college campus.
>
> Above all, the preposterous mantra to believe survivors regardless of
> the evidence, regardless of due process. This is the campus rape
> hysteria that has been transforming the lives of males on campuses,
> creating an extraordinarily costly bureaucracy, moved into the real
> world and it is not going away, it's only going to get worse.
>
> LEVIN: What have our universities and colleges become? And when did this
> happen? I mean, they were always kind of liberal in the last several
> decades, but in some ways, they are not my phrase. They are almost sort
> of a Soviet- style system where there really isn't free speech, you're
> not allowed to challenge the so-called norms in the universities, where
> race and gender, seem to have a priority over other things and that sort
> of thing. When did all of this happen?
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, the 80s was when it started in my view. That is when
> you got radical multiculturalism that hit. I was in college in 70s, I am
> grateful for because I was allowed to read John Milton, William
> Wordsworth and Shakespeare without anyone thinking to complain about the
> gonads and melanin of those authors. I got to lose myself in beauty, in
> greatness and sublimity.
>
> Come the 80s, and students were given a license for ignorance. They were
> taught that the only thing they needed to know about book was the race
> and gender of author to know whether it was thoroughly dismissible
> without even being read and they could go to instead wallow in their own
> delusional oppression, and it has only gotten worse since then, and what
> we are doing is breeding the grounds for I fear, Civil War because
> students are being taught to hate, to hate the greatest works of western
> civilization, and frankly to hate east each other.
>
> From the moment a student steps on a college campus today as a freshman
> or a fresh person, I should probably say, the bureaucracy is determined
> to drum in to that student's head, identity politics, which says, he is
> either a victim or an oppressor. Oppressors are obviously most famously
> white males, heterosexual white males. The only way they can get out to
> of their oppressor category is to become an ally - an ally of the
> oppressed.
>
> The most preposterous delusion of all of this is student actually
> believe that they are at risk of their lives from circumambient racism
> and sexism on a college campus. This is an environment that in
> traditional liberal terms is the most tolerant environment in human
> history for society's traditionally marginalized groups.
>
> Yet, there is a massive bureaucracy dedicated to cultivating in students
> this delusional sense of their own oppression, which then they carry
> with them, it's a chip on their shoulder that prevents them from seizing
> the magnificent opportunities to learn, to read every book that is ever
> been written, and they carry this chip, this delusional victimology into
> world at large, and they are going around blaming American institutions
> of endemic racism and sexism, when that no longer is true.
>
> LEVIN: You see it with respect to professors and tenure, you see certain
> professors are sort of drummed out of the classroom, you see rise in
> confrontation - physical confrontation on college campuses. You see that
> commencement speakers are almost totally of the left.
>
> And you see when some conservatives dare to go to a college campus and
> want to speak about things that are really not particularly
> controversial, how often you have to bring in riot police or the
> security guards have to come into the facility.
>
> The administrators, are these old 1960's retread types or who are these
> people?
>
> MAC DONALD: Yes, the administrators are even more left wing than the
> faculty, and they are part of this massive bureaucracy. If students are
> wondering "why is my college tuition so expensive," look no further than
> diversity bureaucracy. At the University of California Los Angeles,
> their Vice Chancellor for Equity, Diversity and Inclusion makes over
> $400,000.00 a year. This is mindboggling. This is multiples more than
> your average faculty member makes. It could pay for free tuition for
> four years for 12 undergraduates and that Vice Chancellor of Equity,
> Diversity and Inclusion has nothing to do because there isn't a single
> bigot on a university campus today.
>
> Every faculty search is one desperate effort to find qualified females
> or so-called underrepresented minorities, this refers to blacks and
> Hispanics who haven't already been snapped up by better endowed schools.
> So what do the Vice Chancellor of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion do?
> Because they are certainly not routing circumambient racism and sexism,
> what they are doing is drumming into students' heads this false
> narrative of victimology.
>
> And what is amazing to me is that colleges are somehow held harmless for
> the rising tuitions. The solution that's always bandied about in public
> discourse is, more Federal aid. No. Don't feed the beast. Cut the
> bureaucracy, get back to the basics of learning, which now is a distance
> after thought, no faculty has the guts to say, "We know what you should
> learn, you are ignorant, we're here to put knowledge in your empty
> noggins. Instead, students are given utter carte blanche to decide what
> to study. The faculty have abdicated their intellectual responsibility,
> and as you say, we are in a very weird situation where speakers such as
> myself, who was prevented from talking about policing at Claremont
> McKenna College, when I need a police escort to come on to a college
> campus, an alarm bell should be going off in the faculty's ear saying,
> "Something is wrong here." But instead, the faculty are nowhere to be
> found.
>
> LEVIN: Let me ask you this. So why do we passively subsidize this?
> Through our taxes? Through tuition? Through student loans? You know, you
> have Bernie Sanders out there saying, free college for everybody. Well,
> of course, these are, as you saying more indoctrination mills more than
> anything else, so free college, and Obama with - you know, the Federal
> government should assume all these student debt. So they talk about
> college as if it really is academic, rather than in so many respects,
> propaganda oriented.
>
> They know about this then. They know what they are doing. It bleeds into
> the greater society, doesn't it? It bleeds into politics. It bleeds into
> the media. Some of the things you're talking about, I see in the media.
> I see it with anchors on TV. I see it with commentators on TV.
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, identity politics is everywhere. I am so sick of
> hearing somebody preface his remarks by saying, "Well, as a white female
> or as a black female, XYZ," I am sorry, that a non sequitur. It is not
> the case that I can predict your views knowing that you are a white
> male. I cannot predict your views if you are a black female, and it is
> height of both arrogance and condescension to think that somebody can be
> type casted on the base of.
>
> But of course that is now currency of political the realm. So it has
> certainly bled into politics. The Democratic Party now is an extension
> of this poisonous identity politics on college campuses and to be
> honest, I can only hope it continues because American by and large are
> not buying it.
>
> But the thing that worries me worries the most, Mark, is what this is
> doing to our scientific advantage in the so-called STEM fields. This is
> the science, technology, engineering and math. For a while, people who
> were optimist, thought, "Well, okay, you've got the gender studies here,
> you've got the women studies there, you've got the Chicano studies
> there," it's all going to stay put.
>
> Science will be the one realm that remains committed to meritocracy
> because we all understand, of course, that there no such thing as female
> physics. There is no such thing as Iranian physics. There is physics.
> There is math. This is the accomplishment of human reason that is open
> to everybody. Well, that was a false hope.
>
> Anybody that knew anything about university would have known, it is not
> safe, and now, you have nothing less than the National Science
> Foundation, a Federal agency that is the premier funder of basic
> research on college campuses that has itself been columnized by this
> poisonous identity politics.
>
> The National Science Foundation is spending billions of our taxpayer
> dollars funding gender theorists on college campuses to study so-called
> intersectionality and micro-aggressions in the STEM fields on the
> assumption that the only possible explanation for why we do not have
> 50/50 gender parity in our engineering departments and math departments
> must be by definition the result of sexism, that is the diversity
> delusion. That is the fundamental lie that we've been fed that any
> disparity in a representation whether it's a gender disparity or race
> disparity must be the result of discrimination, and so our STEM fields
> now are obsessed with gender equity and race equity.
>
> LEVIN: So it also is an attack as you write on competition, obviously
> and on merit.
>
> MAC DONALD: It is.
>
> LEVIN: And so we kind of dumb down our society, we tribalize our
> society, we balkanize our society, who does this benefit?
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, it benefits the bureaucracy because let's start again
> with the college campus, but it goes to corporations as well. On a
> college campus, students are being taught to hate, they are being taught
> to think of themselves as victims. I would argue, this is a side issue
> we can get or can't get into racial preferences, which are a poisonous
> policy feed into this in complex ways, but every time that students hold
> these protests like Brown students occupying President's Office saying,
> "Well, it's very hard to have to go to class and study for exams because
> we're working so hard at quote, 'staying alive at Brown,'" this
> preposterous, this is delusional.
>
> But every time there is a little outbreak of student hysteria, the
> diversity bureaucracy walks in and says, "Well, we need more diversity
> bureaucrats," and sadly the students agree, and they inevitably ask for
> more Vice Chancellors of Equity, Diversity and Inclusion.
>
> LEVIN: But you also brought up the Kavanaugh hearing. And so what I'm
> getting at is, when you indoctrinate people this way, when you affect
> their thinking this way, I mean, eventually, they leave college, they
> leave the university, and they go out into the broader world, and I feel
> like the Democratic Party plays into this. I feel like the Democratic
> Party plays into this, more and more media play into this because a lot
> of these people in politics more and more and the media more and more
> come out of this mind set, do they not?
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, yes, the media believes again, that race and gender
> determine everything. There is not a single mainstream media outlet that
> is not determining what stories to cover, who to source them to, who to
> quote, and who to write them that is not looking at race and gender on
> the assumption that those attributes determine our world, that America
> is profoundly racist, profoundly sexist and they are seeking stories
> that they think support that narrative.
>
> And it's also incorporations, HR departments, you know, one of the main
> milestones that show how much the university identity politics is
> transforming our competitive edge was when Google fired a young computer
> engineer named James Damore in August of 2017.
>
> Damore wrote a factual reason-based 10-page memo simply questioning the
> feminist orthodoxy that reins at Google. He was fired. Well, one of the
> interesting comments on the Google chat board said, "We need to stop
> this diversity madness before it goes any further." Right now, our HR
> department is simply an outpost of gender studies and black studies.
>
> LEVIN: All right, don't forget, folks. Almost every week night, you can
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> We'll be right back.
>
> Heather Mac Donald, you've talked about how the ideas tear at the
> American fabric. But they have real world consequences, not only in our
> politics, not only in our media but in competition with countries --
> China, Russia and so forth. Explain.
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, China is ruthlessly meritocratic. It doesn't give a
> damn about identity politics. It wants the best engineers and the best
> physics. If they are all female, great. If they are all male, great. Who
> cares?
>
> The United States is diverting vast sums of money into trying to
> engineer gender parity in its labs. Meanwhile, China is racing ahead
> with ruthless competitive drive. We are putting our competitive edge at
> risk.
>
> Right now, we are still ahead, but do not assume that that is going to
> last forever if we continue to put these irrelevancies of gender above
> all else and race to a lesser extent ahead of scientific
> competitiveness. Because again, it's not just China, it's also Russia,
> they are spending 100% of their science research money on doing science.
> We are devoting ever increasing percentage into gender politics, whether
> it's at MIT, Harvard or UC Berkeley or whether it is coming out of
> Congress through the National Science Foundation. This has to be
> stopped.
>
> LEVIN: This has to be stopped. You've got almost a monopoly ideology on
> these college campuses, you're getting to a point of a monopoly ideology
> in newsrooms. In the Democratic Party, you have almost a monopoly
> ideology. There aren't many so-called centrist or moderates left,
> certainly very few conservatives left. This is quite daunting, isn't it?
>
> MAC DONALD: It is daunting but one has to fight for truth against
> falsehood.
>
> LEVIN: How will you do that?
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, I think for one, we need to defund the universities.
> Alumni have to stop giving money, realize that these schools, you have a
> false ideal about them, they are again, generators of ideology, not of
> wisdom. And there needs to be alternative venues, the support of
> classical learning and the humanities, but I think frankly, and
> certainly, we need to talk about the value of free speech, but the free
> speech problem is a symptom of something much more deep, which is this
> cultivation of victimology.
>
> I think what also needs to be done, Mark, and this may be a false hope,
> I don't hear enough voices providing an alternative explanation for why
> there is not necessarily 50/50 gender parity in a math department. Right
> now the sole explanation out there is implicit bias that females are
> somehow being discouraged from studying math. The fact is, this country
> with the most gender equity have the greatest disparities in STEM
> because on average, females and males are interested in different types
> of work.
>
> Males on average and there's always individual differences, you can't
> assume anything about an individual based on an average, but on average
> males are more attracted on abstract work, to competition. They are
> higher risk - risk prone. Females want more hands on, relational
> human-based work.
>
> So I do not expect that people working for the Nobel Prize in physics or
> earning it in math are going to be 50/50 gender, and I am also willing
> to talk about something that is very taboo, Mark, which is that skills
> are not evenly distributed among different groups. High-end math skills,
> if you look at the 0.1% of the highest in math skills and also the
> dummies who are the worst math clods, it's males who are the greatest
> math geniuses, 0.1% of the highest in math skills, males outnumber
> females 2.5 to 1.
>
> So Larry Summers, when he was President of Harvard dared talk about this
> distribution of math skills, he got fired. We have to keep talking about
> that though because they dominate the explanation for inequalities or
> lack of parity is always racism or sexism, we have to fight that.
>
> LEVIN: Let's overlay this with immigration. Because if diversity based
> on physical characteristics and so forth is the key, which takes place
> in colleges and universities and more and more in the broader society,
> this complicates it even further, because people coming into this
> country, many of whom are we would consider minorities, south of the
> border -- Asia, Africa, the Middle East -- how do we account for that?
> In other words, when I see these statistics about the percentage of the
> population that is this group and why aren't they a part of this group,
> well some of them are first generation. Some of them haven't event Where
> are they not part of this group, some are first generations, some of
> them haven't even assimilated into the country yet.
>
> So many of these statistics are bogus to begin with. And aren't we
> teaching people who come into this country, newly come into this country
> the wrong thing? Shouldn't we be teaching assimilation? The American
> culture, meritocracy as you put it, and so forth, and yet, I don't see
> us doing that?
>
> MAC DONALD: No, of course not. Assimilation is now a dirty word. You
> cannot speak about that on a college campus. And what I find most
> interesting is the way Asians are tending. Right now, to be a victim in
> the United States is to be highest elite position you can occupy. Power
> ironically flows from being a victim. You have this ruthlessly
> competitive drive to see who can be top victim - top dog victim.
>
> And it is mano-y-mano, people are pulling each other down. Now, the top
> victim is trans, but I can guarantee you, in another five years, trans
> is going to be pulled down and they will be somebody else on top victim,
> and anybody who can predict that gets the prize.
>
> LEVIN: You were talking about --
>
> MAC DONALD: And Asians - Asians are the most academically competitive,
> because the academic culture at home is so strong, and yet, a large
> percentage of Asians are saying, "Well, don't call us the model
> minority, we want to be people of color against whites." You have a lot
> of Asians that are voting democratic, that actually support racial
> preferences in universities because even though it acts against them,
> Asians are the ones that most penalized by racial preferences.
>
> LEVIN: Well, let me slow you down there. You don't see that at Harvard?
> The Asian community or part of it is challenging.
>
> MAC DONALD: A small --
>
> LEVIN: That they are challenging the admissions at Harvard because they
> are being discriminated against because it is not based on merit.
>
> MAC DONALD: Right.
>
> LEVIN: And so this is a problem for that community, but I don't even
> like this kind of talk -- that community -- we so dehumanize humanity.
> We dehumanize the individuals is what I am trying to say. We'll be right
> back.
>
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>
> LEVIN: Heather Mac Donald. We've seen this caravan, this invasion that's
> been taking place for a period of time. The President wants to put an
> end to it. I look at this and I think to myself, shouldn't the nation be
> united in wanting to secure the border whether you are for immigration,
> opposed to immigration? This is a law and order matter. This is a
> sovereignty matter and when you see these pictures and the video of
> individuals throwing rocks, throwing bottles at ICE, at our law
> enforcement, and yet there is a significant percentage of our society
> including members of Congress, including people in the media, including
> so- called scholars, who don't denounce this. In fact, they denounce the
> President for trying to resolve it. What do you make of that?
>
> MAC DONALD: It is remarkable. It is a divide that I cannot even get
> over. I can sometimes put myself in the shoes of the left on other
> matters, but on this one, it seems so obvious that you do not - nobody
> is entitled to enter any other country illegally. I am not entitled to
> walk into Germany, and say "Take me in." This is a fundamental right of
> citizens on determine themselves who comes in and who doesn't.
>
> So it is a matter of principle. We can also say as a matter of
> consequence, if you lose that right, the migration flows that are going
> to take place in to United States would absolutely crush us.
>
> LEVIN: Milton Friedman famously said, you cannot have a welfare state
> and open borders, you will destroy a country. And I look at this and I
> say to myself, "It is really in recent times that people try to break
> into country, carrying the flag of the country they come from, and then
> claim that they want asylum." And then to have people in the United
> States, people of prominence, public officials, media figures and so
> forth excusing it while they are hungry, while they want a better life,
> well this and well that.
>
> Okay, so if somebody robs a bank because they need money to pay their
> mortgage, that is okay. If somebody goes in a grocery store and steals a
> whole bunch of steak, because they need to feed their children, that's
> okay? There is a breakdown in respect for law and order, whether it is
> immigration, whether it is Baltimore or any of these types of
> situations. Why is that?
>
> MAC DONALD: Well, we have ideology of you do not blame of victim, and so
> what you are saying is absolutely correct. That has been a factor in the
> left wing culture for a long time that if you get to claim victim
> status, you are absolved from following the rules. You can colonize, you
> can defecate on the street because, well, you are a victim. You can
> steal because you are a victim. You can shoot other people because you
> are a victim - do not apply - we have given up on the idea of the single
> moral standard for all people.
>
> Obviously, for the Democrats when it comes to immigration, there is a
> belief that the more third world people of color that they bring in, the
> more they get a larger base for identity politics. I think what is
> driving this as well is some just profound hatred for western
> civilization, which is perceived as being a function of white males and
> so there is a desire to somehow deluge it and destroy what created just
> extraordinary advances in human wellbeing, prosperity, reason and
> obviously, affluence.
>
> But you know, what I find so extraordinary is the left in the morning
> has one narrative, which is that, there no place more oppressive on
> earth than the United States for people of color. It's just, if you are
> a person of color in the United States, you are the subject of constant
> oppression and then in afternoon, says we need every third world person
> of color to come here. Well, they cannot both be true.
>
> Why is it that so many people in the third world are begging? They are
> breaking law to come into the United States because they will be
> oppressed? The ACLU should be saying - the ACLU in its morning mode
> should be saying to those third world people of color stay put. You are
> much better off, and you are freer and more affluent and nobody is going
> to kill you by oppression in your third world person of color country.
> Instead, they will want them to come in.
>
> So it's a completely incoherent ideology that can only be unpacked by
> understanding that the agenda here ultimately is to try to bring down
> western civilization.
>
> LEVIN: When we come back, I want to pursue that again, why would there
> be forces in this country that live in the lap of luxury, that live in
> the lap of liberty, that live in the lap of law and order, justice,
> trying to destroy it? I think that is the big question.
>
> Ladies and gentlemen, don't forget, most week nights you can watch me on
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>
> We do need to ask the question, I do, why would there be such powerful
> forces in this country that want to destroy these various
> instrumentalities of liberty, these constitutional standard and so
> forth, and let me give you my idea. Isn't it because that's the nature
> of progressivism. Progressivism is the - really the progeny of Marxism,
> of Hegel, of Rousseau that they've told us this. John Dewey told us
> this. Woodrow Wilson told us this. Many of them told us this. The
> intellectuals beginning of the last century, and they tell us this
> today. Pretty much.
>
> That is, we need a clean slate. So this country was founded by slave
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